Hard Truths #3 - Dave Rossi and Ashton Forbes

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we are live with this hard TRS number three with Dave Rossy the purpose of hard truths is to get to those hard truths that no one wants to believe the science that we don't understand and so we are trying to get to it down with people that are the experts the engineers and the physicists today I bring you Dave Rossy defense engineer Tech uh works with experiments in advanced propulsion Dave thank you for being here sir Ashton thank you so much for having me it's a it's an honor and a pleasure to be here yeah so first of all let's just dig in what is your background Dave how did you get involved with uh you know defense Contracting Advanced propulsion whatever you can tell us I don't want to push too deep and you know get you in any trouble but whatever you're free to tell us go ahead no problem long story short um I started a uh podcast uh which led me about two years into doing that podcast maybe year and a half into wanting to essentially not so much study and analyze uh information and data as much as I loved it but said to myself why not try and build something and more of an intuitive sort of notion and so ended up assembling a couple of things that got the attention of some uh some interesting people out of the United States in particular um it probably didn't help that at where I was at the time was relatively close to a military base that was in in Canada uh because I'm from Toronto Canada but uh got the attention of some individuals uh presented to various individuals at the um the do this is a couple years ago at this point uh from there moved into establishing my own company that does Consulting and Contracting for um basically the I guess you could say some of the more alternative or Fringe physics that mainstream science would like to call it as such but um in my opinion is physics that's sort of been uh hidden in plain sight if you will uh for quite some time that I think people should understand and grasp more and more because it's really creating a um cognitive dissonance in my opinion with respects to what people see on their phones and what they see in person and the the the topics of debate and that angle have really swayed from what the science has been able to do from my experiments and experience uh whether it's in the laboratory um theoretically but of course experimentally would be the most important thing and so when I saw for example the um the MH370 footage I I said to myself I know there's a lot of people out there saying it's it's not legitimate or what have you but I'm of the opinion that um it very well is legitimate based on experiments that I've conducted on much smaller scales and so I kind of have one foot in the uh uh the defense Contracting area on a sort of small to middle level and then one foot out in the in the public because I think that there needs to be a way to get this this knowledge out there um without to a degree without um I guess you could say permitting people to understand how to build these things and then weaponize them but perhaps gain an understanding to realize that there's a responsibility we have if we're going to be discussing these types of Technologies and the consequences they have so long story short made some various presentations to some individuals that DOD was sort of thrown around to some different Departments of it and then from there decided that I didn't want to be an employee but rather a contractor consultant and so from there I've been gracious enough to work on certain projects that uh again are sound extremely out there but we see if we look at the literature for example science fact has outstripped science fiction for for quite some time it just becomes quote unquote unbelievable when it translates from you know physics paper to an experiment in the laboratory but that's sort of the the general abstract background story of how I got into all of this I don't have any uh actual degrees um I'm self-taught and I think that's perhaps in the humblest way I could say is perhaps what impress some of these uh DOD individuals the most and then from there uh I tend to have a knack for it uh still work very hard but at the same time I want to try and bring some of this understanding and knowledge out to the public in a simplistic fashion so it becomes very easy to understand which is hopefully something we can do here today we can sort of jump between the complex elements of it and translate that into a a simple understanding for The Not So scientific individuals yeah the people like me so I guess what I got out of that is you're Canadian we'll give you a pass on that I'm just kidding yes no I love I love all our Canadian brothers and sisters out there but uh no I think the real important part there is that you actually work on the experimental side you know the biggest thing that I heard is that you've done experiments that led you to when you looked at the videos thought oh wow you know this could be consistent with some of the work that I've done which is really what I'm hoping we can dig into a lot today in terms of going through the science aspect and I know you're super smart much smarter than I am especially when it comes to the science aspects here so you know any of that stuff you want to name drop the uh you know scientific papers and physicist etc for our academic uh academics who are following that's great and then for our Layman you know we can kind of talk about some analogies about you know what this really means on on the surface level cuz I think the big takeaway that you just mentioned there is the advanced scientific Concepts that people think are Fantastical but the reality is we are just we are on the verge of changing the world and you know I think that some of the experiments that I've seen that you've shown me um will help prove that so right let's jump right into it sir um where do you want to begin in terms of which scientific aspect would you like to dig into first sure well there's a few different things that we can start with one of the things that I would like to say if I could is that for the audience in general is we want let's start with some simple Concepts we want to realize that a lot of these effects that we're seeing whether it's out of the MH370 video or whether it's out of um you know a UAP or you know even paranormal experiences a lot of this has to do with the notion of curving SpaceTime essentially c not viewing things as a straight line but rather as a curve now what becomes very interesting there is that this was discovered and I'm not claiming that anything that I had developed was actually a novel Discovery I would dare to say was a rediscovery um I know there have been many individuals before me even before my time that discovered the same things and were suppressed unfortunately um but we want to focus on the notion of curving SpaceTime and that the idea of creating either a curve in SpaceTime or creating an X if you will whether it's using light or whether it's using electromagnetism begins to detect and transmit and also emit some very interesting phenomena now a practical example of this curving of space time if you will has to do with the utilization of for example ligo the laser interferometry gravitational Observatory we see that through the intersection at the point at where the lasers intersect it's been claimed we can detect gravity waves now what's interesting is that we see the notion of intersection is very similar to sort of a stack books example and that that is that we have one laser beam and then we have another beam that interferes but that second beam we can argue is in a sort of super position type we could say setup that is over top the first beam which gives a hint perhaps that a lot of these effects that we see whether it's through the orbs and the M on the on flight 370 or uh we through other uh you know UAP and paranormal phenomena these effects may be of what we call in science second order so in other words one must meet certain conditions electromagnetically for example to then give birth to this second effect now giving birth to this second effect is what has been privately referred to as something called phase conjugation essentially that's a fancy way for saying that the particles make love instead of fight if the particles fight or Clash they create what we have known for decades to be called explosions but if at the plank level using things for example like um uh interferometers or using things like uh superconductors or even as Mr pza said room temperature superconductors if these particles can actually entangle or hug themselves if you will what happens is once they do that and I'm using my hands to give hopefully a visual I can what happens is they start to become self- assembling and they essentially start to curve into each other in a toroidal fion now on the theoretical side we know that Einstein's theory of general relativity permits for the curving of SpaceTime and essentially permits for torsion and it's in there but it's been vastly dismissed for a number of reasons we can dare I say we can say it this has been the case for diabolical reasons point being is that there are certain Concepts that exist within particle physics that don't exist within electrical engineering and this ultimately has to do with the fact that certain instit tions like the National Science Foundation and other groups pass down these models to these new smart students who are very smart yes but they're not going to be questioning the status quo and they're definitely not going to be questioning the current models that are given to them now these models that are given assume a flat SpaceTime not a curved one so this is why for example when we see uh for example ISS footage um that that sees that has speculatively seen craft that seem to have a sort of cave bubble around them that makes perfect sense because from my experiments and others what you'll find is that the laboratory Observer if he is not within that curved SpaceTime at best even if he's say five feet away from that experiment at best he is going to see the flat intersection of that phenomena he's not going to see that phenomena in curved space time and in order to see it in curv space time on for my science friends we need to assume a three U three spatial dimensions and one time dimension in a l grangian form for those that may be interested in understanding the real theoretical side we then use what's called Stokes theorem to induce contour integrals to then essentially create a second order effect that can actually go all the way up to uh to 12 space with so 12 spatial dimensions and one time Dimension these theoretical uh Concepts whether it's landow and left shits whether it's myON Evans whether it's Terry Barrett whether it's Tom Bearden whether it's uh in to to a certain degree Dr halud off whether it's Sal pz's superforce these are all in my opinion saying essentially the same things which are that when you include torsion and the curving of SpaceTime you can get the effects that we've seen for example in a Vortex like manner uh very much akin to uh the three the MH370 footage now what's very interesting about all of this is that this gives rise to something that many University students should know about particularly in Optical physics which is something called um spdc stimulated parametric down conversion and it's also been called second harmonic generation as well as SP stimulated parametric up conversion what this is essentially doing is it's taking the curvature of SpaceTime right using the magnetic a field the magnetic Vector potential which is a fancy way for saying basically the empty space empty space quote unquote of the vacuum or ether that the magnetic flux has allowed for you to have and then it is combining that with a dialectric curvature essentially that then creates what's called a gradient which allows for a second effect to occur now what is that effect the second effect that occurs after electromag um magnetism and light meet a certain condition is sound sound is what we now call phonons with an N instead of photons for light we have phonons with an N now what we're seeing is we're seeing that same concept with the laser beam sort of beam one and beam two except now these are not beams in this case we're doing phase conjugation second harmonic generation using uh in this particular case uh electromagnetism and light so after the sound concept or the sound particle is reached the question becomes what comes after that now it's very interesting because publicly phonons have a are a spin zero particle in my opinion they should rather be a spin 1.5 or a SP too because they give rise to the effects that we see in for example the MH370 video um with that said if I could just sort of wrap this up going the we in terms of us humans on the surface level uh whether it's with our cameras or with our uh you know detectors or what have you we can only collect as good of as good of the data as the detectors that we uh deploy and emit in certain these instances so when we see the sudden disappear of this plane craft for example uh with these orbs creating a a Vortex like what seems to be dare I say Wormhole effect uh depositing energy at a particular Point um the camera is only going to pick up the flat effect of that because the camera by definition does not know how to render something that is topologically stable in a higher Dimension literally and so that is what will also create the effect of things that begin to pixelate for example uh certain uh whether it's software editors or cameras and so on because when one can bend a gravitational wave using these second order effects you begin to bend light as well and we know we notice that light and gravity tend to be very very close to one another and so if you can bend the light using either refractive or diffractive properties you can not just make yourself invisible you can then induce a state that has an anti- uh Photon path meaning essentially the neant Tropic uh version of what we normally see as linear time neant Tropic means time reversed and we know through for example out of Los Alamos hasberg and viser proved that the throat of a wormhole is all one needs to both make and understand and engineer such a traversible effect or a wormhole itself because when you tap that zero point you tap essentially the oscillation or the ziter bu of the local particles and those local particles if certain conditions are met where external interactions of those particles make love or entangle with that zero point which could be anywhere in SpaceTime that you pick literally you can begin to induce the effects that we've seen both in the video and otherwise and and we know for example that if if we look in the literature with respects to uh Vortex Dynamics or vortexes are seen in in super fluids and super conductors the literature is there all one has to do is essentially scale that up in their mind now to wrap this up I'll say I'm not asking for anyone to blindly believe me but listen to what I'm saying and do your research you'll find that these vortexes tend to appear over and over and tend to give rise to a lot of what we're seeing um whether it's in the 370 videos or otherwise and those effects will create what's called a lens thuring frame dragging effect the same uh the same way for example that if you take your mouse on a very old computer you pick up an icon on your home screen and you drag it across the screen really quick you sort of see that delay of the mouse kind of going back and forth that would be the same type of effect that we would see um when SpaceTime is curved just from a simple curving of SpaceTime instead of thinking of SpaceTime as being linear and straight so yeah yeah that that's awesome man I have a couple follow-up questions on some of those points so first I guess I want to talk a little bit about ligo because I've heard ligo get talked about a lot um can you elaborate on exactly experiments because my understanding is that the ligo experiments have had to do with looking at neutron stars and detecting gravitational waves coming from neutron stars that are enacting with one another you know what more can you teach us about the impacts of what the ligo experiments have done and what they are sure well not not to be uh a conspiracy theorist if you will but I think that there's a lot that ligo has not revealed when it comes to detecting gravitational waves and detecting various other things in um uh in in our even within our own atmosphere let alone within you know neutron stars and all that kind of stuff and the the reason I say that is because we find that um all of our telescopes today have convex lenses rather than concave ones and so it's of my opinion that when ligo whether they publicly State this or not is a different conversation but it is of my opinion they are seeing far more than they let they L on in addition to um I do believe that ligo if they if they shifted their detectors to looking for high frequency interference of events they would see basically craft all over the place and the reason being is because the second and we we know this from a basic double a dual slit uh experiment you can do with a laser beam and get a guitar string to split the beam and uh deploy some uh I believe Chris Leo did it a year or two ago um deploy some Mist if you will on the beam in a dark room you'll begin to see literally the waves or the Flux Of The Vacuum or Quantum vacuum or ether begin to occur now if you apply that to a multi-million dollar tool like IO um I think what will begin to happen is you will begin to see a lot of gravitational waves um not necessarily perhaps as a fundamental energy but as an emerging energy from the curving of SpaceTime and that that curve essentially deals with the way again when you create an X with a laser beam the and the more beams you intersect say you have one beam and then two say you have a third one and then a fourth one and then a fifth one and it keeps stacking in that regard not only does that uh subscribe to super position and topology but what you begin to do is you begin to create a cadua like curve that acts as a sort of transducer that can both in this particular case detect gravitational waves and I think that through that uh we can find on the high frequency side quite a bit of perhaps what our own military is doing as well as maybe others as well uh because those gravitational waves would have to be um I how can you say longitudinally locked in with various craft for those craft to operate which would explain why for example during cases of emps or um uh we see for example ult Ultra wideband radar tests being done and craft get close to those fields they begin to uh crash because of the fact that the gravitational coherence has been completely dismantled uh because these radar uh detectors or you know these devices that are being deployed and tested in these ranges these nuclear facilities or in this general area essentially untangles or um how can I say un Kinks basically the energy that would be encompassing both the warp drive or the warp bubble around the craft as well as any other effects that it could be doing outside or inside the craft as well that's really interesting because I think that from the ufology perspective there's this big argument that the people that are against it say is well if these craft are so Advanced how are they crashing right shouldn't they be invincible and I always thought well just because you build something for a specific purpose doesn't mean it's impenetrable from all other effects mistakes and stuff but right I think as well if I could say very quickly we have to look we have to look at the planet as well with respects to the the Tesla technology we must in my opinion look at the planet as uh one big capacitor and if we follow the notion of us being for example organic um particle accelerators or organic electromagnetic beings it gives substantiation to when one goes outside and grounds thems and you know bare feet they tend to find they feel more energy and whatnot tend to come to them or anything of this nature and even as we see for example in basic electrical engineering we know that grounding rods are needed because if not the electricity begins to arc Arc means it begins to curve so that is already nature giving us a hint naturally that SpaceTime or the the quantum vacuum wants to curve instead of actually behave in a linear fashion now if I can give one example for those in the audience that may be interested in more of the liquid chemistry side um say we take a hydroxide and we take an acid in the laboratory we put in a Petri dish or what have you and we neutralize the two and what normally happens is we expect to get heat or what's called an exothermic reaction from this this uh this um this neutralization but what happens if you neutralize the two and you don't get any heat there's no exothermic reaction what that is indicating is that there is an effect going on that is surpassing the current flat theoretical space-time model and interpretation that is giving rise to torsion longit tally not with the x or y AIS on a cartisian plane but with a z or Z axis that gives depth now and so what that tells us is that there is a particular set of properties within that specific hydroxide and acid that that stabilizes disequilibrium so it prevents an exothermic reaction and what I mean by that essentially is a visual would be uh Pac-Man's mouth basically all the devices that we use all of the things that were taught in mainstream physics and and even in general has assumed that for example Pac-Man has a closed mouth meaning that if you put energy inside of Pac-Man there's only so much you could put in because it's in a closed system now if Pac-Man's mouth opens up is it possible to use the local vacuum as the actual engine itself and that is what gives rise to these second order effects it's and dare I say fractal I don't think it's that far off from people who have had you know uh psychedelic experiences where they say they're always seeing Spirals and fra of spirals and so on I would say there's certainly something there in my opinion so yeah that's that's really closely aligns with our last podcast guest which was Bob Greener and his theory of you know fractal toroidal moments right and toroids as well it's like it seems like everything comes back to toids can you explain why that shape is so important is it just due to curvature is that with you know what gets created from curvature naturally or is there sure it seems as though um one thing I'll tell you is that the more I experiment and the more I I do my research even the private research especially the more I realize I don't know anything about anything just to be clear and to me that that that speaks to me philosophically as in the joy is in the journey but it seems as though that there is a strong indication that there is um within this structure of our reality putting the electromagnetic uh basis or pillars of it aside um from a geometric standpoint it seems as though these toroids and toroidal geometries tend to comprise everything that exists in one form or another um not that doesn't mean that we always see them as toroidal but we see for example that uh curves and spirals are quite common within for example the way that nature is self-assembling or the way that nature manifests and so on and so forth uh we found as well that it's been shown in the a if in the absence of Electro uh electric and magnetic fields in a laboratory experiment in a closed off room in the absence of e and B fields you still have toroidal geometries that are resonating there that occur which implies that this Quantum vacuum or this ether has a very strong resonance to it that may in fact have a dare I say a resonant memory that can store memory in that regard so when we look at all of these different angles it comes down to the fact that the Universe reality that uh that we are in uh tends to um really like the vortex toroidal geometry of this reality at the core of it I couldn't tell you why uh the same way that I must quote Mr fan when he said that if you look at um energy or Force we ultimately we don't after a certain point we don't know what things are we don't have an adequate definition of force there's no definition of what energy ultimately is and so that's when I think it turns into more of a philosophical metaphysical debate rather than a physical one or physics debate but I think that's sort of the beauty of all of this the the merging of these two uh material and non-material world of the very large and very small come to integrate in that in that sense hopefully I answered the question but ultimately I I couldn't tell you other than what I'm familiar with experimentally which is that nature in reality seems to be toroidal even in the absence of major uh components like electricity and magnetism yeah so I think one other thing you mentioned too is the Pac-Man uh analogy which I thought was really interesting because to me when I'm thinking about that I'm thinking is this a capability of free energy being kind of sucked out of the vacuum state of the universe right and I think that's something that I had seen on some science shows some years back as well which I thought was very interested in that space isn't empty there's stuff going on there in space so is that what you were kind of digging at that that could be theoretically possible 100% I think it's more than theoretical i i i as a matter of fact I know it's engineer it's possible in an engineering sense to the point where we can make a strong argument that the devices or the craft or the things that we build um regardless of what they are whether it's uh metallic orbs or something else whether it's the uh coming from us or others if you will um ultimately these devices whether they're for generating over Unity meaning you get more energy coming out than what you put into a device or for generating uh lift and propulsion in a in an instant inertial likee sense or the notion of Defying Gravity and all of that I think at the end of the day no matter which way you um you slice it you're going to have an effect that will uh how can I put this um utilize these devices as sort of um let me think uh sort of facilitators of the energy that's already been all around us yeah if that makes sense so we're we're sort of um shaping what nature shaping to what nature is trying to tell us yeah that's awesome so to speak yeah uh not to rewind too much but I I thought there was an analogy that I wanted to bring up when you were talking about The Radars that were you I'm just going to say it probably interfering with uaps or other craft that are out there that are floating freely know the analogy that I think of there is uh because I like the Marvel movies is like the or actually maybe it's not Marvel but Venom when Venom the he gets hit by Sonic attack right that's his weakness that makes the syot like get you know it's it's like its weakness right or it's like it's Kryptonite if you want to think of from Superman analogy would that be accurate in terms of what you think the interaction there is with the radar is that we don't need a weapon it's like we just the radar and you know manipulating the electromagnetic fields can you know destabilize the propulsion of some of these craft is that what you're just hypothetically thinking there this to a to a strong degree yes and this is where as a matter of fact I must give the credit to um Eric Weinstein because this uh in the with respects to what I'm about to say in particular I don't agree with Mr Weinstein in a lot of areas but in in this area I do which is that um this is a form of understanding science more than technology there's a difference and I I appreciated when Mr Weinstein said that quite some time ago uh in his conversation with Dr Poff which is where he said I wouldn't be thinking about new technology but a new understanding of science basically doing to uh to Einstein what Einstein did to Newton in terms of finding a more fundamental uh way of understanding the universe and therefore allowing for vacuum extraction and such to occur and I believe that that is uh definitely what what what is happening yeah yeah I think what's happening as well for a very simple description is we're essentially we're seeing this basically if I showed you a uh this water bottle and I said and I covered the bottom half of it and I said Ashton uh you only see the top half and then you go Dave what are you talking about you just covered the bottom half and then I go no no I didn't no I didn't and then I start calling you names and attacking you that's basically what's happening in the scientific Community there is a refusal to acknowledge this other half of I'm not kidding whether it's in chemistry whether it's in particle physics condensed matter physics except for at the classified levels or at the uh you know at the levels of the military-industrial complex on the contractor side but um yeah it's unfortunate to see that that some have tried to uh put a sort of intellectual property label on science that should be discoverable for all and so it it's kind of of uh it's kind of unfortunate in that sense but that's one of the reasons that I'm I'm speaking with you today as well so yeah two things I want to get in my so box real quick is that I always evaluate People based on the things that they say you know I think that what you brought up today is that you know you don't have the formal training and schooling and what have you but you taught yourself right and the things that you're saying we don't have to believe what you're saying we can verify them you know that's something that I say myself in my own investigation which I think lends a huge amount of credibility to your statements is that people go ahead I appreciate that because the um it's it I will say it's not an easy thing to do but if one looks at the academic literature uh from the late 1800s up until today if one knows what to pick out and what to find in terms of where to look with regards to this angle of science being suppressed it is there um the effects are also being hidden in sort of code words that in terms of modern Publications uh the effects are there and they do exist um that's one of the things that's also uh frustrated me quite avidly which is that uh people quite often say well where's the proof I want to see peer reviewed literature it's been there it's been there for decades except we need to realize that these people manipulate words these institutions publish papers um in a certain um you know the same way for example that if um uh the same way that you would label something with a for example talking about instead of the word oil we can say hydrocarbons it means the same thing but perceptually it doesn't interest people and so therefore they never look at it but it is there no and that's part of the reason why I do this podcast is that so much of Science of what I've realized is a matter of uh you know using the right words it's a matter of uh uh names Dro or slipping my mind but what I was going to get at as well is that a lot of what you're doing you know I think that scientists have this idea or academics I'll call them not necessarily scientists of cutting each other down saying oh that can't be possible this can't be possible science is a matter of building on each other's work adding to it right right it's not usually that someone was wrong it's that they didn't have an interpret our interpretations Advance our understanding advances right it's not that Einstein was wrong he's I think he's one of the greatest Minds ever in the history of the world it's just that he ran out of time right if he had K had infinite time his own understanding probably would have advanced as well speculation behind there's speculation behind the scenes the rumors that have gone around for decades that he in fact realized where he went wrong at a classified level and had before he died had known yeah where he looked at Maxwell's heavy sides interpretation of Maxwell's equations and said holy I've been wrong um there's some some documents behind the scenes that do substantiate that but that that go gives rise to what Mr pz said that I cannot emphasize enough which is it makes one wonder how long has this been known for and this we can argue goes all the way back to the late 1880s basically um if I could say very quickly to give context to more of the scientific uh side of the audience um essentially what happened was that Ma heavys sides interpretation of Maxwell's querian found an analogy between electromagnetism and gravity a direct connection between the two now it's been largely rumored that heavy side in fact screwed up these equations when it's quite to the contrary um essentially what's been what's been what happened was that there was a sort of an interpretation made by um pointing as we know named after the pointing Vector these days as well as heavy side and what essentially happened there was that heavyside found this incredible uh top topological effect in theory that the great Hinrich lorence also noticed as well he understood both angles of these different gentlemen's perspective in terms of interpreting Maxwell's querian Loren basically said at the time my God there's far more energy coming out of the uh the generator than what we're putting into the shaft of a c of a certain circuit for example he didn't know how to explain it because at the time you would have been violently attacked as being a perpetual motion nut so what he did was he spoke about it in in uh vectored angles and he said the energy this outpouring of energy that is that has far more coming out than what we're putting in has no physical significance that's basically like saying that you got a big boat on your water and you got all this wind going around you but the wind doesn't touch your boat now what if you found a way to take that wind and bring it to your boat so it could push your boat but it but instead someone on the boat goes no no no it's not touching our boat so it can never be done forget it that's basically what happened and then it later on got the the the equations and all of that got um got classified we see for example even in the 1980s under the setup of the direct energy weapons uh um uh SDI Strategic Defense Initiative under Reagan with NORAD Edward Teller went on a show I forgot the name of the show um not uh not dick kette he went on I forgot the guy's name shoot but anyways point being was that it was more of a show that had more intellectual discussion and even Mr Edward Teller talked about how even in the 80s those that were not privy you're given access to the the classified equations that proved that these direct energy weapons could be possible thought it was nonsense until they were a lot of these professors were brought in and briefed on it and Teller said he felt even in the 80s that there was far too much secrecy being driven to classification in North America he he said at the time which he was right he goes the Soviets have access to this literature openly and in North America we're classifying it so it's been there but I mean I can yeah keep going no I can I can give example after example so I'm loving all the knowledge honestly and I think the chat as well and everybody who's listening in as well is enjoying it I think that the word I was looking for earlier is the syntax right is that the syntax that we use is so important in science and it also develops over time you know as part of the case that I've been doing I've been developing my syntax we moved away from like black hole Wormhole and now we're talking about macroscopic phase conjugation and potentially the unification of quantum and macro which I I want to discuss with you here in a moment as well I think that one thing I wanted to ask before that though is when you talked about the uh I don't know if it was the photons or the waves the particles making love and not war are we talking about the same concept as Bose Einstein condensate there where we are moving firion to bosons or is that something different uh actually well Bose very good question I appreciate it Bose Einstein condensates give rise to those effects Bose Einstein condensates create the appropriate environment for those effects to occur for the second order entanglement and past that third order fourth order all the way up to 12th order effects to occur but second order effects already induce what you've seen in the 370 video for example so let's just stick to Second effect order effects for now but yeah yeah so just hypothetically what is above those order effects like how would we how would you describe that or give an analogy to what that is because I mean if if second order effects is what we're seeing in the M 370 videos we're already talking about magic in my opinion right so this well this is where again it becomes IND discernible and so this is why um we start to get into I don't even know how to describe it so a basic example of just a second order effect would not just be the 370 video but uh for example say I I'll give an example for the females in the audience where um imagine your purse you go out for a dinner with some friends and you say oh my gosh I forgot my phone at home instead of driving all the way back home imagine unzipping your purse and opening it and seeing a a part of your room there reaching your hand through the purse and then your hand it actually comes out the other end in your room and you grab your phone from your desk and you bring it back up that's a second order effect when we get into anything past that you start getting into I'm hesitant to say this so I say this very carefully uh speculatively but you start to get into some things that are seen like in the doctor strange movies and when that you see the dimensional uh fractals and all that kind of stuff operate and it becomes uh ve very interesting now if you took any of that and you took your phone and you filmed it while you're in the lab basically your phone unless you were actually no even if you were inside it because the lens is convex that you would essentially your phone would get blurred like crazy it would be zooming in and out of focus it wouldn't it it start going haywire basically because there's this um again if we go back to dragging that Mouse across your screen seeing the drag effect that's basically what's happening in the laboratory in the vicinity of the uh of the phase conjugation occurring interesting yeah I think maybe along those same lines if it's not you know correct me is that when you talked about the laser beams kind of uh converging on a point the thing that confuses me about that is that uh photons are bons right so they can stack on each other on the same point so if that's the case when why when we shoot lasers at each other do they not just stack up or you saying they do stack up but why are they then causing this additional order effect to occur you know why are they curving or U forming that caducous or whatever it was that you were mentioning before sure sure this you explain that yeah sure no problem so ideally this isn't as simple as just taking two lasers and intersecting them to be clear this has to do with inducing this effect at the plank scale at first which is why uh in my opinion Mr pz emphasizes superconductors quite often because we know for example that uh certain types of um parametric oscillators certain types of UV lasers um mixed with superconductive properties can access this plank or or if even putting superconductors aside making these lasers interact inside of a Bose Einstein condensate first allows the uh the plank scale to lock in with the field interaction if you will from there what happens is there is this and this cadua like effect as well is reminiscent not just within our DNA but dare I say within the overall nature of the toroidal reality that we're in so this cadua effect is something else as well that I will say is by definition not something I can explain as to why it's there except for the fact that it is part of the toroidal curving of SpaceTime in general um that seems to again explain quite a bit of the quote unquote um uh uncomplete or incomplete theories publicly but it's dare I say it's so eloquently simple that it's been dismissed and it's been right under our noses the whole time having to do with essentially the the square root of electric permitivity and magnetic permeability but as to why that caducous forms uh as per your question I can't can't necessarily say other than the fact that when we think about curving SpaceTime and then we curve it to another second order we're going to see those curves start to essentially assimilate and self assemble when oscillated as well but they must lock in at the plank level first so this is not as simple as just taking two laser beams and make like you know from from uh Amazon Walmart and just shooting making them intersect I wish it was that simple it's not that simple ultimately but um although In fairness have been quite a few people that have uh for example I have a a patreon when uh from when I start had the show and there are some people on there for example that are getting some very interesting effects without having to lock in at the plank scale so so two follow-up questions in that well first one I guess is how do we Define the plank scale so just for people like me and people who are less versed in the academic side of it like when we're talking about plank scale are we talking about just very small small scales is that sizes or what are we talking about the smallest the smallest form of uh observable and measurable matter physical matter that we know of now what I'm going to say here is probably going to be very controversial but um it has been confirmed many decades ago behind the scenes in a private regard that the smallest forms of matter are cubes in nature um which is why one can make a strong argument that the force of anti-gravity is proportional to the square root of the electric permitivity and if it's if it's something that simple you can then begin to engineer things like what you see in Mr P's patents which you could see why it would anger other groups or factions that don't want this to come out because it shows in certain ways how simple the engineering approach is and so the idea is that the smallest forms of matter at plank or at the plank scale are cubic or cubes in nature now if you can somehow manipulate that matter to rise up those to make those cubes rise up and begin to revolve around an orbit or an axis that you've created created those cubes again what happens is they start to go from having um corners and angles to surpassing the swinger limit as pz has talked about they begin to curve and those cubes begin to self assemble longitudinally and they form that Helix that or that caducous that we've been talking about and again this is very prominent and reminiscent within the 370 video we see of again a cadu like Vortex being formed around the craft before the effect occurs as well as we see um you know people have talked about um having experiences while you know with paranormal entities or you know on psychedelics Etc and I'm going to say something here that some people may either go oh my gosh this guy doesn't know what he's talking about or they'll go my gosh this makes sense hopefully they'll go with the ladder but um a lot of people claim to have experiences whether it's paranormal or what have you and they see beings or what they think are you know deceased relatives or or something like this with the corner of their eye photons in this reality are the only particles humans can see the full spectrum of now what happens is as we've been talking about when you curve SpaceTime you begin to get these effects we notice as well that if our eyes are like miniature movie projectors the corner of our eyes may in fact be able to reveal more than looking straight at something we we know this is there's some feasibility here because when you go into a dark room it's actually and you turn the lights off very quickly the corner of your eyes begin to adapt to what you can see much more rapidly than the center and so this goes back to the notion of again Optics bending gravity therefore bends light and so on and so forth so which explains as well why people for example say oh my gosh I saw a craft in the sky very clearly but then when I filmed it with my phone it looked like a blurry sort of pixelation going on it's possible we have concave like properties within the lenses of our eyes that our cameras do not which is why we see things more clearly and then the cameras themselves continue to pixelate in a frame dragging type effect yeah so it's not even just a matter of what the resolution is just a matter of like that we have different uh capabilities that what we're seeing with our eyes camera can do correct I would say and I'll be very open and blunt about this I would say that in order to for example detect or pick up some I'm oversimplifying so but if this does end up working someone please let me know but if you took two concave lenses and you overlapped them that interference Zone in the center there is where you should be able to get more of a clear view of the craft if you and we know for example that concave lenses are what is are um inside of the James web telescope which is interesting because again the only other uh telescope that had a concave lens to my knowledge in the past many decades was the Mr James Santilli the Santilli telescope that was called nonsense and he was claiming to see craft and certain be energetic beings in the sky with his concave lens telescope so that gentleman's work is nonsense but for some reason when James web has a concave lens it's fine yeah so go to show there's Gatekeepers everywhere especially in academics and experts Community right I think that's I'm not taking a jab and just be clear I'm not taking a jab at AI lob or anybody I'm just saying it's pretty ironic when you look at the the same way that there are many scientists right now some many of which I know personally that are saying certain things are not possible publicly and then privately working on the things that you would think are are magic yeah yeah that doesn't surprise me at all but uh going back to the double helix again you know it starts to make me think about DNA right where it does feel like we see these patterns everywhere you see it in biology you are seeing it in physics engineering I think that's what to me gives it even more credit is that there does seem to be this underlying factor of curvature and everything about our reality um 100% if you search up for example even on Google Quantum curve SpaceTime you'll now begin to find articles that say my you know I'm paraphrasing but mysterious phenomena shown when SpaceTime is see it's a slow drip feed of what has already been known and worked on and engineered and dare I say perfected to varying degrees for many decades now so here's another topic which I if you feel uncomfortable talking about feel free to stop me but uh super conductivity you brought up super conductivity I think that the chat would like to know and I would like to know as well is um you know we've seen lk99 in the past few months as well and when I saw lk99 my personal opinion was that I think that this is legitimate uh because I've seen the videos of flux pinning and we're talking about room temperature super conductivity now not just normal superc conductivity but room temperature right um do you think that room temperature superconductivity um you know can or must be created from metam materials or can it also be induced via electromagnetics electr gravetics what however you want to think of it so I'm I'm going to say something that's largely unpopular amongst the people that I I I know and or work with Etc because which is that and we discussed this yesterday um which is that it is of my humble opinion that the focus on metam materials um and the analysis of them and their isotopic ratios and all of that is fine there's nothing wrong with that but to induce the effects we are seeing whether it's the pz effect or tapping the zero point as PUD off has said in the past or uh Dr Eric Davis or your three 70 videos you do not need meta materials whatsoever now putting that aside for a moment you may say okay what what induces these effects well various forms of uh plasmas and certain gases various forms of light um various forms of uh superc conductors in addition to um and this is where it gets quite controversial the induction of room temperature super conductivity using normal metals and so it is of my humble view that the push for the analysis of metam materials and such is to not necessarily detract but distract from the fact that uh this can be done without metam materials now with that said I don't have something against metam materials and we think for example okay what is that well a met if we for example engineer the uh we manipulate the isotopic ratio of say magnesium bismuth and then we put a thin film you know super conducting layer over it with maybe fiber optics in theory that's a meta material because it's a material that we have now manipulated and it's in a meta state if you will so I'm not against that but it's not it's also not needed that is not needed to be done this is something I said for quite some time and I've gotten some flak behind the scenes for it but I think that people have the right to know in particularly when you look at the work of um uh before World War II and especially before World War I this notion of airships and compressed air these pneumatic forms of transportation that were clean and it was just using compressed air forget anti-gravity forget generating gravity waves uh just using compressed air so um you know that that brings me into a whole rant as well as you know for example the common home heat pump uh in everyone's homes for example technically have the ability to allow you to uh induce what's called cop coefficient of performance over one meaning you can use the the you know the empty space or the vacuum uh and the ions from it to compress air but there's been diabolical design globally um where when it cools off outside you're back on Resistance heating so you're stuck in a closed loop system instead of an open loop one so essentially one of the few reasons that we're still building cop coefficient of performance less than one is because uh closed current Loop circuits restores Lorent Symmetry and doesn't let you use the ether or the vacuum to extract the type of energy that we would see to power homes infinitely or to do the effects that we've seen in in the 370 videos so say the Pac-Man mouth is closed instead of being open yes exactly exactly yes yeah that's pretty cool um so what I was gonna say uh which sorry very quickly from visual Pac-Man's mouth when it's opened is looks identical to Maxwell's querian on Wikipedia by the way so it's just an interesting visual to correlate because if you do the math it translates to that visually um so and just real quick for my chat um people want to know what lk99 is so lk99 was um I was just going to say you know and you can feel free to correct me here is a recipe that was came out of Korea and I think also China but mostly Korea that essentially said you can take copper and lead and if you heat it under the right uh using the right recipe that you can produce a superc conduced room temperature super conductive uh element or metal however you want to think of it yeah is that how you would describe it as well um certainly it is of my knowledge certain things have have been done privately I know for example there was a paper published all the way back in 2001 that indicated um a combination of copper and gold for example that when melted to a certain temperature created room temperature super conductivity and then it later got retracted as per usual those are the ones you're going to want to look for for for for your your lovely audience um with that said do I personally two things I'll say about lk99 in particular I haven't looked into it enough to say for certain my surface level analysis is that it is purely diamagnetic and not room temperature super conductive I could be wrong with that said putting lk99 aside I know for a fact that R room temperature superconductivity does exist and has for quite some time one can make an argument that uh without jumping all over the place here these ancient um uh Cathedrals that seem to have very peculiar geometric properties and organs inside of them with piso electric bricks made out of them may have in fact been room temperature super conductive buildings that were used for healing etc etc but anyways that's really cool I think that yeah goe keep going the idea is that if you have a resonance within the vacuum that has a an ideal state of your cells in a healthy manner sort of like going back to our stacked books example if you're on book number 10 and you're you know your your cells are cancerous you can then what this this resonance does just by being inside of these cathedal ual ideally is it takes essentially uh your body when it was at say book three in a healthy State and brings it up to book 10 and you are now essentially very healthy um we've seen this been also be promoted uh pre World War I um for those that have the really old magazines and that kind of stuff uh you know with using cathodes and you know Ray tubes and all this kind of stuff putting it all over the body but of course you know interestingly enough we didn't hear about any of that after the war so yeah yeah well uh I just for my audience too I want to go back to something you were saying about some other metam materials bismuth zinc and magnesium seems to be a common combination that I hear a lot about in ufology um so I I just think that there might be something there I'm just curious as to if you have any just quick thoughts on that yeah I'll be super open in one sense I know for example that certain people have done certain things to bismuth and when bismuth was put into a concave like shape it began to exhibit properties that it otherwise would not have um these are people just like you know melt melting it and applying a couple of other things to it electrically in their homes um so I don't want to give away too much but I do know for example these were people taking bismuth from shotgun shells so what I'm trying to say is there are components to a lot of these elements uh and materials that we um that are right in our faces that we are sadly not familiar with and I'm familiar for example with a certain group that had to uh that found some very interesting things using just resonant frequencies and they themselves had to uh were very frustrated because they could um they could could not publish these results um they were able to induce dare I say a form of uh Alchemy using the polarizable vacuum approach which is again the curving of SpaceTime and then using the positive and negative electric charges to uh dare I say birth something out of the phase conjugate curves that were induced in the laboratory on these materials yeah and I'll repeat for people that are out there that are thinking that you know this is just blowing their minds or what have you this is why this is hard truths guys this is why we're in here these are the truths that people are going to have a hard time accepting and you need an open mind to get to them um Dave this is awesome do you want to take a look at the videos with me real quick and we can just I would love to hear your opinion on the science what you think's happening I know you already kind of have referenced them multiple times um so I'm going to go ahead and share my screen here so that we can get this officially in the recording okay so here we go we got that technical difficulties resolved so these orbs come flying in right away and the first thing that I noticed that I'm curious about your thoughts is that it seems like it flies past the plane and then it kind of it looks like it's trying to look for it here I don't know this isn't necessarily like super in-depth in the super conductive or science perspective but to me it looks like it's like tracking or looking for the plane um what are your just general opinions on that when you see this come flying in like this and I say this in a speculative manner assuming these these orbs are in a um sort of detection mode if you will the what I would speculate that what is occurring here is there is a sort of that orb is looking for a resonant lock in with respect to the other orbs it relative to the mass that it's looking to transfer or reduce the weight of or again uh perturb the local SpaceTime metric around it that's normally what I would uh this is again without the actual data itself that's what I would speculate and of course with regards to the vortex like behavior that is um all but very familiar to a lot of my experimental work uh to a like to to a te so I can say that for for those that again um think that it's fake or something like this we also have to keep in mind that the video editing software that it gets put through again by definition of not even having the code embedded in it of understanding a higher symmetry effect will seemingly try its best to sort of rent the effects that it could in a flat SpaceTime assumption or presumption and this is not to say that uh VFX software is the only thing that assumes a flat space time we can say arguably that all of our cameras assume a flat space time uh which create which is what gives rise to the pixelation and therefore the inability to see past a particular point of that curvature which would then be another dimension uh directly above it and so these effects that we're seeing and that I see here are vastly vastly um similar to what I'm familiar with and so I think what we're seeing as well is that uh we're seeing a a Depot dare I say um a focusing of energy that uses literally the entire uh space-time metric or vacuum or ether around it to induce the effect that we see and this this triang this also speak to by the way the breaking of uh the breaking of local symmetry we we see for example that lean Yang won the Nobel Prize for this back in 1957 um this is not anything that is out of the ordinary if you will we see that ET Whitaker in 1903 and 1904 showed that using partial derivatives you can in fact and the z-axis um in a longitudinal sense you can induce these effects and stabilize uh disequilibrium so the idea would essentially be that you'd have very similar to like a tree trunk for those that are that are not so scientifically minded you have the trunk that controls the other branches of the tree as we know or as the stands as sort of the supporting point but what we're now being told publicly is that there's no trunk there's just the branches so we can liken the branches to the X and Y axes respectively and then we can liken the trunk of the tree to the z-axis or the Zed axis that is not seen unless one is actually up close in that effect which is why I keep saying at best when you're away from it you're going to see at best the flat intersection of that phenomena and or the flat intersection through either your own eyes or the the cameras that are filming such yeah so what is your thoughts then on on this pattern that they're doing here in this it's it's it's break it's breaking the local symmetry of the space-time metric uh to induce what hburg and Visser showed in out of Los Alamos in the 1980s to induce what seems to be here in in my again specul speculatively uh a traversible Wormhole essentially it's using resonance to uh break the local SpaceTime metric around the object in this case the plane that it's looking to transport and it is essentially building that resonance up um in a Vortex like manner to then create at the zero point a uh a curvature in SpaceTime that again will give the effects as we've seen here that induce things like again uh you know non-locality spooky action at a distance um a teleportation which we know has been done at least fundamentally by transferring Quantum bits or Quantum information why that hasn't been proposed to be scaled up publicly is is another interesting thing but yeah yeah so you think then that it's not just a matter of scanning or mapping the plane here you think there's some type of electromagnetic or other type of force at play here while they're actually doing this spinning they're interacting with one another yes the orbs are probably super conductive what they're essentially doing is they're locking in at the plank scale with regards to the local SpaceTime metric around the plane and then inducing uh whether through lasers that would come out of the orbs or whether through um certain pre-programmed uh let's say electromagnetic and harmonic decel frequencies make the plane uh go through or experience the effect that we see where it suddenly just disappears but I would say the leadup to that is a reson type of buildup very similar to um sort of like a z pinch if you will so they're not even being pre they're not even being remotely controlled then they would be pre-programmed is that what I'm hearing is that it as I understand it can be remote controlled but it can also be pre-programmed absolutely to find a particular if it's pre-programmed with a set of you know to look for a certain mass that then has that mass dare I say transport or make it disappear um or remove the weight or the internal mass of that object from one point to another uh I I certainly would say that it can definitely be done okay well that one was awesome let's take a look at the second video then and I appreciate all your insights on that that's really helps me a lot as well can you see the second video yes okay awesome I'm going to full screen this so this is the second video guys and this is the mq1 C Gray Eagle where we can just see the nose of this drone right here right off the bat and somebody actually one of the comments of one of the recent podcast said that their friend works for General atomics and that this is what one of their drones would look like as well now in this one the leaker is uh taken this multispectral Electro IR camera and added this thermal layer in over the top of it and again we can see these orbs just ignoring gravity here and one point right away I want to point out once we get to this orb that we see I want to snapshot it right when we see it is that you mentioned something about the cameras not being able to pick this up in correctly in three dimensions and it would look flat to us do you think that may be part of the reason why the orbs look just kind of circular here or is this just naturally you know actually we're still seeing them in three dimensions or what is your thought that would be that would certainly be a factor you see do you think we're seeing the non-radiating barrier here around this or do you think that this is a solid object then I think it it again um I would speculate that it is a solid object that has created a uh alteration of the local SpaceTime metric around it using PL and Bose Einstein condensates so it is completely voiding space and time therefore not having to abide by the gravitational rules that you know fighter jets would have to yeah and um it's a sorry for it's like a if I can give a quick example for you it's like if you were in a swimming pool and you took a a small pocket of a little bit of water put it inside of a um put it inside of a container of sorts or a balloon if you will and then put it back in the pool that water that is inside of the balloon is not touching the rest of the water on the outside and the balloon therefore allows for that water on the inside to push and pull the balloon in ways that it wouldn't be able to if that water in the balloon was immersed with the rest of the pool did you ever uh you're probably a little too young for this there used to be a toy called ballzack and it was a it was a a ball and there would be like a water ball in it and when you threw it it would just like move around super weird for some reason that description that you just gave me kind of makes me think of that I know what you're talking to what you're talking about and that would be a very nice example about the way that it kind of just jerks around in that regard yeah interesting um the next part I want to talk about you can already see these lines these dark Trails uh we have another version that shows them a little bit more clearly which I'm just going to switch over to really quickly um because this is the next thing I really want to ask you about here is when we see these Trails they're in front of the orbs I mean this looks like they're running on train tracks to me you can see these trails are actually in front of the orbs here what is your thought Theory hypothetical about what is causing here when I talked to salvator Pius the impression I got would be that these are like a pulse that is um either breaking down the space-time vacuum and creating their own geodesics that way or there's creating a vibrational effect that is allowing this breakdown of the um you know local SpaceTime vacuum to create these train tracks I'm going to call them for lack of a better term that is their own geod that they are just being pulled along what what is your thought you remember I completely agree with s if you remember what I said at the beginning of this regarding second harmonic generation that is what gives rise to this effect right here yes I would I would say I would just add simply the second harmonic generation allows for a gradient in the local metric that when induced with a dialectric um current capacitor Etc can start to do some very interesting effects and when combined with for example lasers in a directional sense um Can can Emit and absorb the uh and rather induce the effects that we're seeing here so if I could stand on Dr pz's shoulders humbly I would say in other words it's giving rise to the macroscopic quantum effects that are done via phase conjugation through second harmonic generation that induces a gradient within SpaceTime that that creates these effects here through things like Bose Einstein condensates that can then again do things that would otherwise be considered impossible with solids uh but can be done with plasmas yeah um and maybe this is a little bit redundant to what we were just speaking but how is it you think that it it seems like the center of mass is the plane itself do you have any theories on how they're like staying stuck to this plane in this pattern that they are because they come in at Mock three speeds right so they're coming in at unlimited speed but then they kind of match the speed of the plane perfectly here you essentially what you want to do is in this particular case if you're looking to do whether what what we're seeing here um you want to make the plane your Center axis of symmetry in terms of for example instead we talk about you know uh relative rotation but in this particular case what we're looking at here is actually something called absolute rotation where we are essentially create allowing the orbs to resonate and lock in with the the internal mass of the plane that comprises the plane and so that resonance combined with the effects that the orbs induce allow then for the very focused amount of energy to interact at the plank level with what we can call the zitter buag gang or what's in German translates to in English the uh the the jittering thing as it's been called because in quantum mechanics and I'll come full circle with this it's been shown that for example if you push a kid on a swing and even after the kid gets off the swing and the swing is what looks to us is staying still at the plank level it's still oscillating it doesn't stop and so if we can walk in with the oscillation of the not of a swing but of a plane then we can see and we then create a form of absolute rotation around the axis of the plane lock in with the resonance use a Bose Einstein condensate to induce its own Geo uh geodesics in front of itself you can then have the exact effects that we're seeing through the curving of SpaceTime and the second harmonic generation that's awesome man thank you for that explanation greatly appreciate that no problem we get to our main event here you know so if we let this go in here first thing I noticed is that if this was fake I wouldn't expect to see frames like this where the plane is out of view this is because they've zoomed in and they're you know manually trying to track this right um I was listening to Matt Gates uh on the UAP hearing and one thing he mentioned was that there was an incident that he had seen where the operator had to use manual tracking for some uaps that are out there I just thought real quick do you have any comments on that do you think that there might be a situation where due to what we're seeing here they can't be tracked automatically due to them being you know separa themselves from SpaceTime yes you can basically there are um uh there have been this is actually nothing new this has this has been around long in the defense field long before I was even around uh you can make um fighter jets and things like this either see multiple objects that are not even there see things that are uh that would otherwise be in other different places um and essentially manipulate the radar to the point where you would need a human behind it um to to look specifically or know what to look for these things can because they void the local SpaceTime metric they become completely undetectable in any way shape or form the only way to detect them is to then use the same technology that it is emitting but this time you use it as a detector instead of an emitter and this goes back to what we discussed about things with concave lenses and so on and so forth and uh I think because some of the people in the the chat want to know as well and I think I know the answer already but do you why do you think that there's three of them I I think the assumption is that's the minimum required to build a uh geometric shape in two dimensional SpaceTime that's the minimum amount required to break the local symmetry of any metric okay you need so we need to it's as simple as thinking back to the X and Y AIS on the cartisian plane but then we need a third axis the z-axis which is some of the papers that I've sort of tried to hint to your your lovely audience in the past hour and a half about um in terms of there's an entire comp when I gave the example about covering the bottom half of the water bottle or the trunk of the tree not being acknowledged these are all practical examples of what I'm trying to describe uh scientifically relative to what we're seeing here the if with two orbs this would not have worked you need three yeah you need a minimum of three and then three corresponds to essentially the broke broken symmetry of a particular particle or an event or um SpaceTime metric if you will so three is very uh very crucial interesting okay well I think let's jump to our main events about to happen and that's what tells me I think that based on those answers that to me what we're looking at here is an operation this is already something I've speculated but if these are things that can't be manually tracked or automatically tracked and have to be manually tracked and we're zooming in on them here as we see in a second and then we're zooming out right before this event happens and we know that this is some type of uh pattern that has purpose then to me this says that whoever was filming this knew something was about to occur they're trying to get as much information about it um and this goes to one of my questions before we start talking about the zap which is do you think that the military films in these Electro IR cameras to collect data on exactly these types of anomalous events because I can't understand otherwise why we wouldn't be using optical cameras for this type of things the multispectral cameras seem like they're intentionally designed for this so I'm just curious with your opinion on that I think yes to a certain degree I think this is where it gets a little bit not complicated but complex in the sense that whether it's certain Departments of the military or of the Contracting field or a mix of both in a hybrid sense I do believe there are much more advanced forms of detectors that can see these things more clearly in every way but I do believe that the viewing of such to relative to those Sailors or soldiers that do not have access access to such technology and Equipment this would be probably the next best thing yeah that's awesome so okay I appreciate that now this is just some uh close-ups and this is actually part of the original reges side and non video is they actually do these close-up slmos of the orbs that you can see here and you can kind of see them distort a little bit and then we get to the slow-mo of what I refer to as the zap but I think the more accurate term is the macroscopic phase conjugation that's happening so I would like to hear your opinion because you just mentioned that you think these orbs are having purpose here you know they're inter they're interacting with one another they're breaking down the local phas time or SpaceTime metric and do you think then that when we're going to see them converge here and I think we're going to see I don't know if the monopole is the right term but they seem to be focused all they're um relative important part you know Focus towards the middle of the plane at the same time they're they're essentially what they're doing is they're creating a um how can I put I sorry I have to watch my words here they're inding they're inducing a quadripole moment essentially and what I mean by that is uh a quadripole or multiple dipoles laid over each other but the reason that you a quadruple quad meaning four you'd say why is there not a fourth orb then if that's the case that's because the fourth potential has to be left open the same way we talk about opening Pac-Man's mouth via the a field uh the magnetic Vector potential to induce in this particular case uh if there if this is a transportation effect uh to allow for the fourth point of that quadriple to be in the place where they want it to transport the plane if that makes sense when you say they wanted to transport the plane are you saying that's where they want to induce The Singularity or is this also some way of determining the direction travel of the plane sure if you're let me simplify it actually in a way that I think I probably could do much better if you're looking to teleport an object let's just say right or transport it from one point in space to another point but very far away in distance what you would do is you would have three orbs surround or three of these orbs with this ability surround the object that you want to tell say teleport speculatively and then you would have the fourth orb at the location that you want to bring it to really and this is this would be your Einstein spooky action at a distance you do one thing on one side of the planet and it immediately occurs on the other side of the planet as well it's those same type of Concepts essentially so that's really interesting because we have been speculating in part of mh37 X investigation that are there other orbs on the other side what I heard from you is that you might need just one other orbs that is essentially entangled somehow well it speaks to completing the full quadruple which would be the squaring of a circle if you were to visually look at it which goes right back to the square root of the electric permitivity of the local vacuum in addition to these plank cubes that we talked about it's pretty it's it's not that diff it's just different ways of looking at it but it's not I do agree with Dr pz when he says that um It's A New Perspective on something that's been right under our noses for a very long time yeah I like when you put that too because it goes back to that idea that we're just building on Old science and we're taking another look at it looking at it differently but we're not cheating the system in any way right we're not changing how science operates we're just building upon it B basically if if I can say very quickly with regards to I would I'm not a betting man but if I had to bet money there there was a fourth orb uh that would be stationed at the G um the geographical point in which This Plane would have wanted to in which certain people would have wanted to bring this object towards and an example of that is very simple the way people may say okay how does how is this connection made between the fourth orb or the potential fourth orb and the three that are around it think about an elastic band stretching between the plane and where the fourth orb would be that induces through that longitudinal component that z-axis that trunk of the tree that we cannot see in flat SpaceTime that induces the tele at minimum light speed the ability for matter to appear from at one point and then appear on another Point simultaneously so you're essentially creating a uh a non-visible elastic band between the plane and where you would want to bring the plane and the way you do that is you break the symmetry of the around the object of the local vacuum that you want to teleport if you will and then you have the fourth and final point of that quadriple inductance which is the second harmonic generation effect you would have the fourth point at where you'd want to bring it wow the same the same way you have cell towers basically it's the same concept yeah and does would this direction of travel does it matter that the plane is focused on a certain direction as it go forward backward can it go any way they want it to go as long as the orbs as long as the orbs induce the resonant effect around the plane and they fit to the plane's um Pro uh uh direction of propagation and so on no there's no doesn't matter awesome and so um the next question then is this Frame that we're at right here we can see the plane blur in this Frame we can see what looks like gravitational lensing to me on these orbs which this is the part where I'm like nobody fak this guys like this is uh way like it's too natural here the other part that's interesting is that the planes gets a little bit smaller compared to the frame right before this so do you think this is indicative of some acceleration effect that's happening here the gravitational effect beginning at say It's a combination of uh infolding as ET Whitaker and David B were uh big proponents of bom and mechanics but it also an indication of the local metric being warped and perturbed uh sort of like jello to the point where it becomes the the solid objects don't become solid so this is like the beginning of the phase conjugation occurring and we're just kind of seeing it and this is what you think essential if essential I would I would bet yeah yeah okay and then from this effect that we see here what is your thoughts so in the satellite steroscopic video we see uh some illumination happen from this event but we can see from this video here that's an endothermic cold event why do you think that there is illumination happening you know that this light that illuminates the clouds what is your theories behind that that is very similar to that of um uh this so I have to it's a lot more straightforward in my opinion than many may think this speaks very much to um uh very quick laser pulses uh particularly within the ultraviolet Spectrum um I I so I need to forgive me I need to be a little bit careful in that regard quite um the let's just say that certain not just in this case but in other cases there have been people that have claimed to and forgive me I don't mean in this case but certain people have claimed to see certain colors when craft take off in a light or in a photonic sense that correspond directly to what we know in the laboratory to be an UltraViolet pulse and so when we see this effect I think what we're seeing essentially is the residue of um how can I put it uh sort of like if the if this speculative Wormhole had a uh an hourglass like shape to it but we cannot see it in its full 3d form going back to our main topic of because everything's assumed to be a flat SpaceTime with our detectors and so on um what we would have essentially is that sort of light that's that illumination is sort of the indicative of the sort of tapering off uh resonance that is closing up that temporary uh we could say pocket in SpaceTime or uh opening in SpaceTime that was made oh the same way that the same way that you pulse a laser basically okay well I appreciate that that's really amazing um so I think we've learned a lot here now one last thing I have on these videos and then I just want to talk to you briefly about just some of the implications of all this technology um so let's just say hypothetically there's a lithiumion battery fire on this plane let's just assume that do you think that this vent could absorb the energy out of those batteries do you think it could I mean it's cold as well think do to that I know for a fact that it can transfer the mass of that of of that those batteries either into the orbs it can transfer the mass let it dissipate into the into The Ether of the vacuum and then um I know for a fact that it's possible and very feasible to do uh using lasers and and pulsed uh pulse laser effects and electrooptical biof frent uh effects um and if you had a certain types of um phase conjugate crystals that were put inside of lasers and those lasers were put inside of the orbs you can definitely have these effects yeah yeah awesome that's uh that's huge thank you very much for that I think that helps us to understand what I spe no problem the idea would essentially be we have to keep in mind there's a difference between mass and weight of an object and if we think of we ultimately publicly we don't know what mass is if we think of mass being simply the internal Resonance of an object we think about the ability to then if we can transfer that resonance from the plane to then where the the outer shell of the plane is still intact but its internal Mass has now been the same way that if we take that water in a balloon example imagine you pop the balloon and then the water just naturally goes into the rest of the swimming pool and it just kind of embeds itself into the rest of you know life or nature if you will the same the same thing works with mass in that sense so that's that's why when a lot of people say for example you know things like cold fusion are not possible because Mass behaves in a certain way I would say very strongly that mass behaves basically you can you can you can make any object warp like gelow under the right conditions of phase conjugation manipulating that mass the internal mass of an object which is why for example I think we've seen ancient you know uh structures that have been so precisely cut are current modern you know laser beam Cutters couldn't even do it and that's because in my opinion there was such Precision with regards to the Resonance of the toroidal nature of of life if you will that lockin Resonance of that making that phase conjugation allows for The Cutting of the stones the transportation of large OB objects to be literally as light as a penny in terms of its internal Mass if you can dissipate the Mass from it and therefore again open Pac-Man's mouth to let the mass leave an object and then again you can essentially make it as light as possible while still having the outer frame of said object very intact that kind of blows my mind because I've been sitting here wondering as I watch stuff like Graham Hancock's uh archa uh anthropology archaeology where he's looking at these structures and formations that were built tens 20,000 years ago yeah and they just seem impossible especially if we're dealing with hunter gatherers that were not organized you know it does feel like maybe they weren't necessarily more advanced from an iPhone perspective but they at least had some concept of these Advanced geometry Advanced uh science physics and Engineering that we are still to us you know for them you know maybe they were more advanced in some ways and we are more advanced in other ways you know so that's just kind of what my current theory is so I thought that I'm this is why I really appreciate the conversations that you have with people like Sal payz because the one thing I've said many times over is that if any form of our ancestors had any uh interaction with this type of science um as we said earlier about science versus Tech they were not running you know Stokes integral theorems and vessel functions and all this kind of stuff for them was very simple they maybe didn't even call it this but we understand electricity magnetism light sound simple what can we do with it clearly this is a very simple approach that unifies everything once one begins to see the perspectives that uh that can be taken in a sense of not needing these overly and this is no jab in anybody to be clear but not needing overly complex um uh mathematics and things like this it might be so eloquently simple that it's been put right in front of our face whenever someone may have discovered the effects that lead to these things if scaled up maybe they've decided to just call it you know things like uh inverse Faraday effect or you know very basic uh the London moment for example and then just kind of leave it there right no don't extrapolate on it but I think that I I know rather that these effects are very feasible and this is when the cognitive dissonance mixed with the lack of ability to detect the appropriate data that would give rise to understanding this science and physics comes into play and that's when the unfortunately the system has done a very good job at that so yeah yeah so I think that just again to repeat what we said multiple times is that you don't have to believe what either Dave or I are saying you can verify this information yourselves as long as you have an open mind the answers are out there the stuff that we've been reviewing today is not Science Fiction it's science fact people should look into this if you're somebody who's an inquisitive mind out there uh you want to dig into it realize you don't need to have any pedigree pedigree doesn't matter what matters is you put the work in you figure it out you dig into the science the papers are out there um and and you can kind of come to the same conclusions that we've been coming to here today now I want to talk a little bit about I think we've talked about a lot of these Concepts but if we bring it all back back together in terms of what does this mean for this technology what can be accomplished we already talked about teleportation although I think that's a crude approximation of what we're really talking about here but when we mean teleportation we're meaning moving an object at the speed of light potentially faster than the speed of light similar to quantum teleportation uh according to the double slit experiment um I think we didn't dig into it too much but Annihilation as well just completely wiping something out with Bob Greener he and I talked a lot about the perfect defense mechanism where we could annihilate a nuke annihilate any type of missile that would be coming at us would you agree with that very much so essentially using the same effects or concepts we've discussed for the past 90 minutes and essentially it not have it say for example have the mass transfer and reorganize elsewhere which would be a form of teleportation but rather have the mass just completely dissipate whether it's the mass of unfortunately a person or the mass of a metal object size is not of an issue so yes I strongly agree with Mr Greener yeah and then some of the other aspects we talked about we definitely talked about free energy in my opinion we're talking about Pacman opening his mouth up pulling energy from the vacuum State I think that's something I already questioned before but really what you're I think that your uh takeaway conclusion was that if you open your system up instead of making a closed system on make it an open system now you can open yourselves up to this idea of sucking energy from the vacuum State and you know having there be a a release valve so to speak in terms of my layment terms any other thoughts on that sure one example I can give and this is I want to be clear this is a crude overly abstract example so and I'm not I'm not speal I don't specialize in the uh in in CT in the in the medical area of this type of work but one thing I can give an example of is we talk about you know people talk about things like over Unity or open systems or which would therefore open Pacman's mouth and extract this energy or give and take that you know receive and transmit this energy in and out of your object or your setup relative to the local space time or vacuum we have to think about the possibility that these craft or these orbs May in fact be nuts and bolts versions of what we already are and what we already do what I mean by that is think about and putting aside the con you know the angles of remote viewing and whatnot think about for a moment when you wake up in the morning and you have breakfast for example and you have such a busy day at work that you don't end up eating lunch or dinner but you still end you're still alive you can still survive you arguably have uh exerted far more calories than you've consumed by definition one can make an argument that's over Unity you are a per perpetual motion machine so why it cannot be done when applied to various other you could say solids elements plasmas Etc again is largely been for I would say political controversial bureaucratic uh BS um particularly with how long it's gone on for but I I think that in addition to that you this gives rise to things like uh light speed or faster than light speed communication uh this definitely gives rise to things like Medical healing uh particularly things like linguistic wave genetics Dr Peter gev who unfortunately mysteriously passed away a couple years ago and mysteriously had his Nobel Prize retracted for essentially using the polarizable vacuum approach what which is what we've been discussing for the past 90 minutes to essentially do the Stacked book example of healing people whether it's uh PTSD mental health or actual cancer uh he has website the linguistic wave genetics should be pretty easy to find um but all having to do with again the same concepts of applying resonance in conjunction with this phase conjugation at the plank level uh that create that permits these types of interactions yeah it seems like there is a lot of mysterious deaths in science you know and I'm just going to go ahead and say right now that I'm not suicidal I have perfect mental health I think from my interaction with you you seem like you are also not suicidal have perfect mental health as well I'm good man I'm good I don't think either of us will uh you know just be dying suddenly or anything like that so you know it would be suspicious if that happened that's all I'm saying um but you did mention uh faster than light communication which is one of the things I wanted to touch on appreciate that the medical healing aspect of it as well I think there is well we're talking about force fields here right we're talking about this non-rating barrier so one thing I think about is cloaking you know this idea and that's something that's been out there actually that's probably the least controversial aspect of all that's pretty that's pretty that's pretty simple I think that's actually been on lockheed's website they've subtly admitted to it for a while I think it's Lockheed don't quote me on that but that that's that's there are multiple ways to induce that you don't necessarily need to bend gravitational waves to bend light although that is one way there are many other ways that it can be done as well yeah yeah um and sorry we just got a big donation I just want to thank dop very much wow thank you very much for that that that's really huge and everybody in the chat and I don't know if you've been able to see it Dave but people have been going wild in the chat they are really appreciating this conversation right now oh I haven't unfortunately I haven't seen I will take a look back after this and and thank you to to every everybody I I honestly I hope that I can uh even stand on pz's shoulders next Sunday when we do this to to give more Credence what we're trying to do here today at least what I'm trying to do is lay the groundwork and then next Sunday we'll perhaps uh get a little more sciency if you will in in discussing that lingo and all of that but you just spoiled it for everybody I was going to tell everybody so hard CRS number four is coming no you're fine Dave I was about to drop it hard TRS number four next week with Dave Rossy and salvator PAs at this same time it is going to be amazing guys if you liked what we're talking about today you're going to love next week we're going to have two heavyweights kind of going at it scientifically talking about the videos talking about the science like we were today building on everything we've been talking about um just a couple other quick scientific Concepts I want to talk about fusion power you know if we can have electromagnetic fields similar to what we can do with making something invisible then I see no reason why you can't create fusion power within some very powerful electromagnetic fields as well well would you concur with that assessment one trillion per that's the there's been an old saying I think uh I'm paraphrasing here but you know they talk about things like cold fusion and they always say you know cold fusion is 10 to 20 years away yeah it's been like that for the last 60 years so yes no it's it's very feasible very possible um I I say it very confidently because if you can read between the lines you and your lovely audience uh it's very feasible with whether it's with low energy nuclear reactions or anything of the sort um it's why I also I kind of laugh when I remember pz saying on his first appearance on Kurt jongle show that uh he initially tried to file some of his room temperature superconductor patents as high temp ones because hopefully it would have went through a little easier but it is it it is feasible we have to remember as well this is the um it's it's it's purely political as to why this stuff won't come out at this point purely political yeah and I think that's my last piece is the politics side of it so it we've talked about a lot of amazing stuff where people go this has got to come out right and I am 100% in agreement with that but we also have to look at the dark side of it too which is yeah when you have nuclear power you have nuclear weapons right if you were to weaponize this type of Technology we might be in my mind dealing with stuff that I would call doomsday weapons stuff that you would talk about super villains creating in movies right um Bob Greener mentioned when I said you know one of uh Salvador P's paper on high frequency gravitational waves mentions the destroying an asteroid or a planet uh a planetoid which then I just scaled up and said okay well what about destroying a whole planet and Bob Greener said no what about talking about destroying a whole sun right you can even scale it up even further too so what are your thoughts on that and how we should be responsible or cautious with this type of Technology because my opinion is the people that are hiding this that's the number one reason right granted the societal impact's huge as well but from a national security perspective of giving an individual the capability to cause massive Dage that's the that I think people would be afraid of the most so this is something that I'm actually conflicted with now I want to be very clear in saying that although I do know that this is a very serious concern it should not be the reason that at least the the knowledge of this should not should be hidden that that should not be the Forefront now with that said there is a very strong concern because of the fact that here's and I I've been saying this for those that have known me for quite a while now which is that when you tap one aspect of this of this fundamental energy or super for as Mr pz calls it you tap the rest of it what do I mean by that it doesn't take much after you tap say an anti-gravitational component to say my God I can apply this to powering my own home or I can apply this to if I turn this sideways and with another five six hours of adjustments to the device I can turn this into something that I can go and very unfortunately if I'm angry at my ex-boyfriend or girlfriend go shoot at their house and now they've all the houses will fall like dominoes it's a very serious concern and it's a very un um this is where in my opinion I think the element of dare I say moral-spiritual maturity must come into play the notion of simply not think for me personally I never think when I go into a lab or even if I'm Consulting on a contract I never think how can I weaponize this that's not that's not the thing now there are people that certainly do I'll be very honest with you and that's unfortunately the concern because yes in not just in principle and not just in theory but as a matter of fact it's been shown by whether it's Richard feeman John Wheeler that there's enough energy inside of a coffee cup to evaporate the world's oceans there's enough potential energy within the local SpaceTime metric the size of your hand to evaporate a planet and if that can be done through compacting enough energy inside of a high frequency graviton emission I completely agree with Mr greenier you can do you can destroy a sun yeah yeah and that's why I think go ahead sorry I don't claim to have all of the answers but I think that by divulging some of the conceptual framework as we have today we can then perhaps discuss some of the more uh practical elements and I say that carefully because imagine for example with pz uh you know God bless him with his approaches and his patents in a fusion-like sense imagine you can do this with with solid state electronics and that's ultimately where I know we talked about this yesterday I tend to specialize more in the the solid state manufacturing of this and what I mean is essentially small ship-like devices that can essentially induce these effects equivalent to uh pz's work and and otherwise and so that's when it IT genuinely becomes scary um it really does I'm not going to sit here and say it doesn't so I agree that's why I think that from the political aspect if we were to reveal this there is a lot of you know laws or whatever we have to put in like kind of um safeguards right to ensure that we are going to use it responsibly and we might even have to rise to the level of collective conscious where we are not going to destroy ourselves right um and so I am conflicted just like you're conflicted Dave but I think that we are both people that come at this from the right attitude and from a good place and I think all the people watching as well I hope that they would as well and realize that this isn't something we can take lightly this is something that we do have to heavily consider when we are bringing this technology to the world and making it public that's why I want to have these adult conversations that we're having talking about it making sure everyone understands it I want to thank you for your time here today and before I let you plug whatever want to plug sure I'm going to go ahead and make you an honorary member of m370x Dave I think I am uh I really appreciate all of your insights I think that you've given us so much here today but also in our past conversations I consider you a friend MH 370x will come to your side come to your Aid anytime you need it all you have to do is let us know and we will be there for you sir I I appreciate that so much and if I can add one more thing uh for your you and your lovely audience which is that um we g i we talked about this yesterday on the phone and I I'd love to leave this as sort of a a thought experiment to leave your audience with which is that imagine you're inside of for example and this can also this uh subscribes to the Stacked book concept even when people talk about higher Dimensions or higher dare I say even Consciousness but imagine you're in New York City in an apartment with your uh with your window open and it's freezing it's December or January and you have one blanket on you for example and you can feel the cold because there's only one blanket on you and it you only have one layer which is not that much and then your your partner comes in and says here are another three or four blankets to put top you so you stay warm we're basically at the point and this is one of the reasons I wanted to come on your show where there is an element of the military-industrial complex particularly in North America that is trying to B that is attempt that's doing its best to try and convince us that the other three or four layers on top of that first layer is not even there and that is ridiculous the fact that they're trying to get people to not think becomes a very serious problem and so that's one of that I just wanted to leave you uh in your audience with an example like that that's basically what's happening and it's something that um I know a lot of people on the inside cannot won't stand for but their hands are tied with regards to the things they can say publicly uh in fear of unfortunately losing not just pensions but even members of families very sadly so if I could very humbly speak on behalf of some of them I can say that it's just getting way too it's getting too much and people deserve to at the at least have an understanding of how this works and so I I want to thank you so much as 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those not interested in the patreon can still see publicly and may give more hints to support what was even discussed here today and ultimately support uh the 370 case overall that's huge man I I think I've been making so many connections with this I am so grateful for everybody I've come across I don't know if I would have ever met you without these videos and it it just it feels like there's another higher Force bringing everybody together greatly appreciate it this was hard truths number three Ashen Forbes Dave Rossy giving you guys the information the science that is hard for people to accept but it's the hard truths so thank you everybody uh have a great day