UFO Disclosure w/ Salvatore Pais ft. Dave Rossi

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# UFO Disclosure w/ Salvatore Pais ft. Dave Rossi welcome to the stream guys today I have a very special guest you guys know him as the nav's developer of the UFO patents Salvador pz is back with me today on hard TRS let's get started right away welcome please with me Salvador pz sir welcome to the live stream how are you doing hey brother how you doing four orbs uh a pleasure to be here uh hello to all your follow your viewers your subscribers hi guys and girls um all right let me start off the bat a quick disclaimer uh none of the statements I make here opinions and so forth are um in any way associated with the United States Navy or the United States space force I come here on this podcast as a private citizen all the statements I make all the opinions I make are my own the United States government has absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever Now give me two minutes because I I really got to get this off my chest and let me finish this thought before the stream is over so whatever questions you got to ask ask but let me start with this I have a feeling I know how these things move how these orbs it's very oh my God it's so freaking simple I I couldn't sleep last night so I was I was think thinking dude it all has to do with a very a a a rather simple relationship between time and frequency could be frequency of spin or frequency of vibration if you do a quick dimensional analysis you'll see that time swiggle line or is on the order of one divided by frequency just from a units point of view but that also applies to the physics if you apply the chain rule to that t say equal a constant that has no Dimensions divided by say frequency of spin I prefer frequency of vibration because you can vibrate much higher as you and I shall discuss eventually uh we're not going to give numbers but anyway so again T equals a constant dimensionist constant divided by frequency say of vibration if you apply the chain rule chain rule we're talking about first year college differential calculus all right chain rule if you apply the chain rule to this relationship you're going to get something that basically says minus delta T T being time is on the order of Delta frequency say Delta Omega divided by Omega Omega Square it's that freaking simple that minus Delta Del T talks you can say to a reverse temporal Excursion if you want to go that way or if you consider the manowski SpaceTime metric one of the solutions to it when Delta xal Delta yal Delta Z equal Z one of the solutions to it is minus Delta s for displacement equal C the speed of light delta T put in the delta T and notice how the sign all of a sudden become positive it talks to a possible uh displacement so in other words what these orbs are doing they're bathing they're bathing the aircraft in a sea of frequencies nonionizing radiation it's key and I'll talk to it eventually we have to possibly you me and Dave Rossy have to write a paper on this eventually maybe we'll do it in in OSF it's huge it's so freaking simple and beautiful but the whole idea is it basically give method of propulsion whereby when you have this bath of nonionizing radiation enveloping the aircraft when you dial up the frequency just from the formula itself and if you go back into the recording you'll see the exact formula that I I was talking about from application of the chain rule um you basically displace this thing but it needs the swing limit it needs for the quote unquote conditioning of the vacuum so it allows the space the minkowski SpaceTime metric to occur in a how should I say modific a modified vacuum let's put it that way a conditioned vacuum we'll talk more about this but this is how they displ I have more questions on that and I I want to get into it in a few but what I want to really start with though with you is on your background because there's so much confusion I think over it um you know first of all let me ask this why are you doing public appearances at all what is your motivation and did you get permission from the Navy to do your appearances only as a private citizen that's why I give the disclaimer at the beginning of all this and and what's your again I always speak to EQ brother I always say we're not here to educate or in any way Enlighten the enemy ebed so I do not give uh numbers I do not give ranges I give Concepts ideas now how to enable these ideas you actually need numbers you need specified condition environments period go ahead are are you doing it so that people will be privy to this information knowing you know not thinking that it's currently real because a lot of people think that your patents and your technology in the science that you push is pseudo science uh they love to say that in fact so I guess the question I'm getting is are what what what are you getting out of this I am out of this I this is my way nobody will accept my papers nobody uh my way of of how should I say of of of convincing the world that in any way my ideas were correct was to publish patents and not even then these days are allowed anymore nowadays it's getting higher harder and harder to get certain ideas past the primary examiners these are the guys that can actually have the office action to allow the patent so what I get out of this is my ideas being heard number one and number two sometimes it's just a for example the Russians give us recently what oresnik it's called I think hazelnut tree the exact translation from the Russian and it's interesting because we they're talking about subclass ammunitions like this Hypersonic thing actually clusters away or anyway so the Hazel tree speaks to clusters I think up to five five H hazelnuts on one branch so anyway it's it's an interesting idea but it just gives them an idea that we too have Concepts that they have not heard of so in a way it's a um how should I say be careful how you handle us because if a private citizen can get on this and how should I say speak to Advanced physics even though they called it's called pseudoscience look the truth of the matter is in time I don't know about space but in time all these ideas will be cleared they'll be validated they will be verified just like your idea that MH370 what happened with it is correct it's starting to take fruition so will my ideas one day be accepted and they will at that point down they say oh but yeah of course so you put the so you put it out there so that in the future people will go this guy you know marked his stamp on the world in 2016 and 2019 and said this stuff's real it may take you a while to accept it but it's out there and the proof is there is that an accurate representation of your uh motivations you could say that but also I represent all the people that were not Hur all the people who uh quote unquote pseudo science never staying on the shoulders of giants oh completely they're they're for example people like Harold POF should have had a Nobel Prize but because the man was associated with the remote viewing Stargate and so forth all these interesting names but anyway because let I got a lot of questions ask Community yeah go ahead no we're going to get to all these things so you know let's just keep it uh you know somewhat brief and then we'll we'll you know we got a lot of questions to discuss here so one more thing though too on your background is so what is your background after like the in the early 2000s there's a gap between when you were at Case Western you were working with NASA Glenn as a a research graduate student I believe and then uh all of a sudden no one heard about you until your patents come out were you working with the Navy and other military organizations that entire time no I wish there was a hiring freeze in NASA and even though I had a graduate research fellowship and I would have been U given a a permanent government position once I had graduated from Cas Western Reserve University with my PhD uh because of that high and freeze uh they were not able to take me on so I had to find the thing I was part of a Consulting engineering company I think it was called cisa Hennessy at one point and there was a period that I was actually laid off so I have an interesting past but uh when I was laid off I started reading a lot on my own and develop some of these uh physics Concepts even back then so okay that's good to know so were you at the NASA breakthrough physics propulsion uh program Workshop did you attend it at all it's been rumored that you were in attendance because of the crossover and when you were working with NASA I do not remember that sir I do not remember that it's quite possible that maybe I was in one or two conferences but no I I did not my only paper at that time I think published in 95 was in sa uh I think it was technical papers it was something called um the induc the induced thrust effect a method of propulsion a rather interesting uh propulsion method you can read that paper I think it's still uh it's part of the SE SAE series of papers you can Google it and find it did you see the most recent UFO hearings of this Immaculate constellation and all this stuff that was going on are you familiar with that uh you mean Immaculate constipation so I'll take it as a yes because have you seen this document that was released along with it that references you several times in it and it looks to be a historical reference of all of people related to the UFO Community how pudos mentioned 93 times in it here it mentions your work in your PhD dissertation at Case Western and it connects you to NASA Glenn again in a weird way where it says that you were working at Nasa Glenn and Nick cook the author of hunt for Zero Point Energy he was told that NASA Glenn let was working on breakthrough physics which led to the creation of a device device capable of highspeed interstellar travel now I have to ask like are you connected to whatever is being talked about here because your patents are literally a Interstellar faster than light uh device so what is your thoughts on on this nothing travels faster than the speed of light special relativity we're going back to Einstein Einstein is correct Einstein shall always be proven correct that's just the prophecy you've heard it first year anyway yeah I don't think Einstein needs me as a prophet to uh let the world know that his uh his incredible work is will will always be valid given a certain medium again as you will know Cal C 0 / n² where n is the index of refraction so we are talking about within a given medium this speed of light is a constant it's one of the fundamentals assertions of special relativity on which that fundamental stands as a matter of fact this whole thing that I spoke about in the beginning using the mski uh SpaceTime metric to show how the displacement of these orbs um how they take place is based on special relativity and in particular this idea that speed of light within a given medium is constant and no nothing can go past the speed of light in a given medium unless you condition the vacuum itself so in other words unless you condition the medium for which this traveling weight whatever craft it is uh a curse so is that a yes you worked on it or a no you didn't work on it or oh no no absolutely not as a matter of fact I was I was in a whole different uh Branch I was in the flu Dynamics Branch I was working on Co and cross flow uh yeah uh Co and cross flow basically method of heat transfer in space okay that's going to be relevant too in a lat later discussion here so uh I I got more questions I'm going to shoot at you here as well are you aware of technology that is beyond the Public's understanding that the public would just say doesn't currently exist right now absolutely not sir other than my own applications my own patent application that I came from I tell you all these ideas I I got by reading certain books for example uh my favorite remains to this day and that's why I cannot even though he is a person that cannot tolerate my work in any way I will always hold Dr Eric W Davis in very high esteem because one of my favorite books of all time is uh Frontiers on of propulsion science that he uh co-edited with Mark Millis why do you think that he doesn't like you Eric W Davis for the people in the chat who are not familiar it's probably the number one world expert on wormholes and other Advanced space propulsion Concepts definitely has connections to Black projects uh John rir of the CIA alluded to the fact that he had seen him on his name on bigot lists so what is it do you think he's a gatekeeper of this technology what do you think why is it you think doesn't like you when I tried to publish I think it was a journal of British interplanetary Society uh when I try to try to publish there he really ripped into my work big time with a with several emails to some really good people that love my work at the time was Herman David Fring Fring f r o n i n g for some reason his his his name is not is not so much mentioned but at one point in time it was him it was poov it was Paul mad that were very high up in this of course with Eric W Davis who's always been there quite possible he is one of The Gatekeepers he's a if you read that book frontier's um on propulsion science the the the section that he himself wrote In which she argued he argues for possibility of vacuum Decay the idea of vacuum melting again modification of the medium from through which you through which you travel for reduction of inertial forces I mean come on the men is an absolute genius on the level of put off I would argue so problem is of course he doesn't like my work now he says he doesn't like my work maybe it's for a different reason maybe deep down he does that's quite possible maybe one day him and I will have a beer and laugh over this I hope I hope so because I I yeah I I hold them in very high esteem good segue real quick because we'll talk more about those guys in a minute but so do you think UFOs are real I think there's something out there called UFOs unidentified flying objects that are floating around in the sky you need you mean un acknowledge effing objects oh absolutely absolutely they exist do this whole idea that phenomena bothers me I'll tell you the truth this whole so we got this thing floating around here right this is my UFO floating it can be whatever you want give be a ball light give me a flying saucer whatever it is Salvador pz and by the way am I saying your last name correctly is it PES have I been saying it incorrectly this whole time it's p it's p p m what is s what is s what is the energy source of this UFO what what it in your opinion what's the energy source where's the energy source coming from for this thing it's floating around freely in the sky well quite possibly it's it's on board that craft but uh exactly how it operates whether it can manipulate the uh Super Force in which case it's theirs or it can generate certain condition electromagnetic fields which generate gravitation waves of high frequency in which case it's ours uh that that power source would differ so yeah so I don't understand how any power source could be on board because again Einstein equals mc squared the amount of energy levels that would be required just to levitate for a prolong period of time The more mass you put in your craft it's a self-defeating prophecy the more energy it now requires for that thing to levitate so how could requ how could it be something that's on board to me the only logical explanation would be that it must require an external energy source that's not on board how would you respond to that I would bet to differ now you and I have never had an argument but in this I Must Stand My Ground I believe that the energy source of this of whatever is on board uh and why because it doesn't need to be something uh extremely big again there's a lot of things that you can achieve via resonance and nonionizing radiation especially when you oscillate plasmas in a certain mode certain fashion I'll just leave it there no numbers we'll talk about that in a second yeah okay okay so let's just let's you know what I'm I'm fine I'm happy to have disagreements you know and uh you know professional disagreements and understand I'm still learning about this a lot so anything where I'm off based please correct me now go going back to your P but you must eventually elucidate your idea that the that the um that the power source could be external to the craft because it's interesting it's very interesting after all uh you have to understand that if you consider something called uh God what did he call it um was it radiative energy what did Nicola Tesla called his radiant energy you know the radiant energy that's it Zero Point Energy yes yes and he had the ability to to to to in a way uh he he had a very strange craft I remember seeing it in one of his patent but for some reason uh it's it's very you don't find that patent uh it's it looks very strange it it looks almost like an asymmetric Capac speaking of tit uh Brown so anyway uh yeah do you believe in free energy Tesla did by that you mean Zero Point Energy however you think of it I think of it as Zero Point Energy what do you think do you think we can extract Zero Point Energy some people seem to think so so uh who am I to differ why uh why should I say no to that I I like to speak to things that I have knowledge of and to me I think the study of the Super Force is very important as to exactly how for example e gu guide their craft because it seems to be far more than just something mechanical in nature or rather electrom however you want to see it that it seems has to do with their Consciousness as well which is very very strange but go ahead let's go back to your patents real quick if that's okay sure so let's straight up as are your patents operable y every one of them has been enabled that's why they enabled is different than operable though enabled there's two different terms there but operable would imply that one has been produced and exists all these are theoretical Concepts all these are theoretical Concepts as far as I know know the only thing that's been attempted was the high energy um electromagnetic field generator and we were not able to obtain uh charges electrical charges for those Ultra capacitors higher than say 10 the minus 8 kums we need at least one Kum of charge to generate certain effects yeah that's an eight orders of magnitude different than what you were trying to achieve so how do you reconcile those results with your strong belief and opinion that your science is going to be proven to be real in the future I mean to me there's a there's a discrepancy you know you go looking at this result and the mainstream people are looking at going well he had his e high energy electromagnetic field generated result and the result is eight orders of magnitude too low so how is it that you're so confident that it is can produce these energy levels okay from a solid an electrified solid point of view we should have gone with patrons vandag graph generators they can actually generate charges much higher than that then the whole idea was to prevent this subject from arcing and losing the charge so that would have to be done in specialized environments I will not say exactly what can be done but again vandag graph generators patrons which are dynamic in nature but you can think of them as as as Dynamic vandag graph generators they have the ability of generating very high electrical charges the whole idea is how how do you keep the electrified solid from arcing from giving away that charge and that's not simple now but I believe uh the schwinger limit can be broken but with plasma not with electrified solids it's possible that also there may be a to engineer an electrified solid to bring about swinger uh uh limit breaking but it would be much harder from an an engineering uh aspect yeah so this is what I was getting at is that I I I saw one of your other interviews and you did mention that well these solids can't obtain the uh energy levels are required but plasma might be able to so what I'm hearing here is that you're saying that well the experiment that we did didn't use the optimal medium in which to produce these energy levels but that the plasmas you know therefore theoretically could if we were using that um just want to know is that an accurate representation of of what you're saying there in a way but even the experiment itself even though it had such a small charge on it you have to remember there were two anomalies if you fire that uh experimental uh the experimental results which the Senate armed service committee the the technical staffers that actually investigated the work that came and Inter interrogated Dr sheii over it among also the invention evaluation board at the time uh They concluded that these two anomalies had to be looked into because even with small charges you could not dismiss them it'd be different if it was a one you know uh only one anomaly but there were two and they were specific to a particular biological sensation which was reproducible look carefully into that because if 10 to the minus 8 kums can generate that effect can you imagine what a one Kum of charge could do anyway yeah yeah so what if these patents are so disruptive and I've been hearing this all over I've been hearing National Security talk Carlson was just talking to Clayton Morris talking about he believes the truth of UFO disclosure is extremely disruptive then why would the Navy let these patents become publicly available and I think I know the answer but I want to hear your thought on it you know these patents your patents represent a technology shift that could be free energy certainly means propulsion mechanisms that can make us Interstellar why are we telling everybody about it given the 1951 Security Act I asked myself the same thing as a matter of fact the the the patent attorney uh for the organization I was working for at the time in a way question why was this let out into the open uh to this day I'm not sure it could quite be that they could not find anything wrong with the physics and yet to the invention evaluation board this sounded very much like science fiction the only reason that they put them out again is that they couldn't find anything wrong with the physics there was nothing and as a matter of fact you're going to remember that five times I went uh in front of the invention evaluation board and I again maybe the passion and my voice maybe the fact that I went to the drive board and actually showed them the equations showed them the Der the exact derivation from maxos equation exactly what I was talking about not once not twice not three times five times I did this and um maybe I was able to convince them I actually knew what I was talking about and I I do know what I'm talking about so think Russia and China have this technology already do you think that might be a reason why they let it come out I have no idea whatsoever but you have to you have to understand that I I truly believe that I'm not an original in this I am I'm 100% sure that someone would have noticed this in the time of Oliver heavyside and uh the how should I say the heavyside version of Maxwell's equations coupled with a simple harmonic oscillator gives the P effect of course not taking into consideration the called plasma the non equilibrium effects and so forth that's a whole different matter the whole idea of breaking the swinger limit but someone would have realized that such electromagnetic energy fluxes of such high intensity are feasible at that time and quite possibly because there were such great Engineers I mean these were times that that gave rise to people like Tesla they were most likely they they questioned is were great Engineers man and I I truly believe that at that point in time it's as if it's as if there was a a timeline shift the it's as if quantum mechanics took over the minds of everyone and instead of following say Maxwell and einsteinian physics on it on on One path everybody just went for the quantum mechanics way so are you saying that we can amplify energy is that do you believe that that's possible that we can just take energy in a circuit and amplify it using say like parametric oscillations resonance effects absolutely look carefully at one particular paper i e plasma um it's it's published in i e transactions on plasma science the title of the paper is the plasma compression Fusion device it's the one paper that was truly accepted by one of the most prestigious J journals in existence on plasma physics this is I TPS that accepted this um and it's being cited by very high level Chinese research teams one of them actually it e Journal of cybernetics you have to ask yourself why it's very interesting but look very careful in that paper equations five and six there's one particular equation that speaks to a resonance effect that from that based on certain frequencies based on certain conditions you can have energy great energy amplification started from U Modas power levels let's leave it at that it's interesting that it they have found that paper and they're really really it's it's interesting that they're citing it it's it's as if they're holding it up and saying ah look at this interesting yeah so I mean amplification of energy to me is massive and that's something that I took away from our first interview a year ago uh which could mean that you can achieve energy levels any energy level that you need for anything which to me is extremely dangerous and if that's true that could explain why this science this technology is uh kept secret for the interest of National Defense whether or not we can pull infinite energy from the environment is a different question and I think either of these being true either pulling infinite energy from the environment or amplifying energy that we already have are both just extremely Danger and the implications are huge but if that's also true it can't be kept hidden forever and the reason why I point this out is because you've mentioned and you mentioned it again just now that how could other scientists not have seen this in the Maxwell's equations how could they not have seen this in the heavy sides version of equations that are out there it's just simple math you look at the energy level it's equal to something squared you know that's an exponential growth indicator um now what I want to do yeah you're very astute observation bro i' I've noticed certain things about you I gotta say it to your audience because I do respect you greatly I think within the last year you've really come up you've I it is amazing you are not of a physics pedigree because uh I believe that you can actually hold your own with almost anyone in the field if they're willing to give you a chance to speak see that's the big if uh however in my opinion you have the three PS brother all right you have patience you have persistence and you have perspicacity which leads to the big p I believe that one day you shall Prevail in your quest to prove MH370 is a very real thing I hope so yeah and I think a lot about our last conversation where you said one of the things you said is man you said something I think about what would have to go through to prove that this stuff is real and I think about that almost every day uh because man if had to go through a lot of crap in order to try to get the to get this information out there which is why I appreciate you being here and actually I want to ask you a few questions uh about the MH370 videos here uh and just get right to it so I mean my first question is when did you first hear about me or see those videos was it after I reached out to you or had somebody reached out to you before that that made you aware of my stuff a uh exactly when you reached out to me I started looking into you because I had no idea what to expect you told me that I was gonna be your first heart truths podcast and that's a really cool name I gotta say hard truth because this is this is the hardest truth imaginable so you you you hit you hit that nail right on the head bro that's that's a great podcast name so so you saw it for the first time right after I I got in touch with you you saw it and now I want to know what your impressions were when you watched and I'm going to pull the video up here where we can kind of look at it together what were your impressions when you saw specifically this video here for the first time oh man when I saw those orbs I saw this thing this one orb just start exactly what it's doing now just start to go around this thing and all of a sudden it started join another one and then another one and I said oh my God they're forming a bubble of nonionizing radiation around this thing there's no way there's no way what's about to happen I anticipated it do you understand I knew before that black hole happened let's call it a black hole going to happen beforehand just watch I knew that would happen I knew that would happen that's why when I said I said this is it this is the Bice effect I I of course it's you know hubris that's the only thing I got going for me brother that's not one thing I'm losing anytime soon so have you ever seen videos like this military videos like this before anything even similar remotely similar to this uh never ever and even if I have because remember at one point I would not be able to discuss because that would give away methods yeah yeah that's fun I I had to ask anyway now when you watch this part at the end with the slow-mo what do you thinking as an engineer here like what do you what does this what does it make you think of when you're watching this oh my goodness uh I was absolutely I could not believe that this was happening why do you think they converging like that at the end they're actually focusing as much nonion radiation around this craft in order to act to to condition the local vacuum around the craft the aircraft in order to form this Wormhole opening for One of the BEC what's a warhole it's really a black hole connected to White Hole whatever has an entrance will most likely have an exit I do not believe in SpaceTime singularities I'm afraid Penrose was 100% wrong from this point of view it never goes to zero there's a Quantum bounds ashar is correct there's an ashar Bounds at the plank scale there's no such thing as A Spacetime Singularity and this whole idea of spe SP I can't even pronounce it it's idiotic every time I hear oh we're going to be pulled into the thing and look it's just a way to travel do you think that there is a Kazmir effect happening here being offsetting a coolon repulsion effect when they converge together because when I look see that conversion I immediately think of kulum force you know distance between two charged objects being reduced you know is going to increase your Force exponentially is really the force of repulsion between uh particles of the same charge that's the way I view coolon Force again the whole idea of why I thought that they were getting close and started to oscillate around this thing is to basically create that resonance effect that would build the field to the levels it would need to break locally the swing limit that's why I thought that they would start pulsating inward you you see how they start oscillating around this thing and at one point you you can actually see them change course change direction that's also very interesting because Yeah you mentioned that with the vectoring earlier at the beginning as well is that you thought that it it must be related to time and that part is and it's so freaking simple because think from a dimensional scaling point of view just from a simple dimensional analysis time goes as one divided by frequency could be spin or vibration it doesn't matter the uh the mathematics are similar for both Spin and vibration anyone that wants to study that go to a first uh first year u a first year college book and you'll see what uh why I say the mathematics of Spin and vibration are very similar now the whole idea once you have time is on the order one divided by frequency if you use the chain rule so we talk about first year for college first year differential calculus the chain rule okay in in this case would be a ID by B where a b are functions of say the same variable X just look up the formula and you will see that what you get once you uh applying the chain rule to T is on the order 1 / frequency you get T sorry minus delta T So minus is the change in time is on the order of uh the change in Omega so in other words the change in frequency divided by the frequency square that comes right out of the chain Rule and you have to ask yourself at that time just think think meowski SpaceTime metric when you have Delta xal Delta y equal Delta Z equal zero so say you Center this thing you get as a solution of the SpaceTime metric of minkowski space time metric minus DX equals c the speed of light time DT well that minus DT put in this formula and you'll see how displacement can come from basically bathing this craft in a say um frequency a non-iodized radiation it's important and actually it's very interesting because the p effect speaks to this but anyway uh why not nonionizing because it would have been uh re easily uh detected on the infrared imagery if it was ionizing right yeah it's a good point now we're going to talk talk about something small and than terahertz level very interesting ex short frequency okay yeah we're gonna talk more about that in just a second there's a couple more questions on uh the videos do you think this video is a test if you were to look at this is somebody who's been works for the military do you think like you know if you're if what you're looking at here is real and this is you know breaking the swinger limit as you're claiming here do you think that this technolog has been used before or do you think any anything that you watch this video leans you one way or another on that and really what I'm getting at here is you know how long do you think we've had this technology if this video is real this is 10 years old ah dude if this is look the physics that I see here seems very plausible to me given the P effect given the idea of the Super Force given the idea of time is on the order of one divided by frequency that we just spoke of coupled with a manowski metric all this makes sense number one instinctually call it intuitive Science and Technology yeah I see this as being extremely plausible number one number two if this was a forgery and so forth whoever did this would have had to be an expert in physics not only that a mind of such great imagination would have I maybe Eric Davis made the videos real quick only go ahead why is this black you can actually see this open up and you can see it close as well black is cold we know we can tell just looking at the engines later on what does this mean when this is black sou do you remember when you and I spoke uh when I say you can almost see a refraction wave as if this was flu Dynamics as if what you're doing here throwing a pebble into a pool have you ever seen a a pebble thrown into a pool when it enters it forms this almost black like cavity because you light does not penetrate in the quote unquote black hole that you're creating there is you can't see through it because you see what think of it from a flu Dynamics point of view this is a medium the quantum vacuum is a medium the so-called vacuum energy State because a state represent a structure and what we're looking here is a structure that has a certain vacuum energy what you have done is is conditioned that vacuum energy manipulated to the point that it no longer did the at that particular point that you see so black that's the actual nothingness what you see around it is what you have done to achieve that nothingness the medium the quantum vacuum is a thing is a material entity look at Frank wilchek and how he argues against Lawrence Krauss when Lawrence Krauss goes on his diet tribe about everything came from nothing there's no such thing as nothing unless you yourself create it yeah you think negative Quantum vacuum would you call this negative energy then I choose not to use those terms because I I'm again I that's going too far even not not even I thereare uh H negative see to me it's either not there or there's something to it the idea of going negative to me is more like cartisian important it's something that you yourself has uh um what is the word I'm looking for it's it's a way that we are addressing things all right yeah it's it's it's it's I don't know I got something on on my screen well I think of it as just going below CA level but I me I guess what you're getting at is that you're pulling energy but the energy is still just normal energy you know you're just in my opinion you're just going below what we thought of as absolute Z okay all right the way I would think of then is negative energy density that would speak to a negative pressure a negative pressure I can deal with because it means a suction pressure and that's exactly what you're doing you're creating a condition vacuum whereby the craft is sucked into that conditioned vacuum that hole that you're creating is a zone of negative energy density then you and I are on the same level of speak that's what I'm talking about okay so let me just get to it so did you make those orbs s in those V in that video I mean I'm looking at your patents and you have to understand that if I add up your patents you have a magnetically confined Fusion patent high frequency gravitational wave uh high temperature induc or piso electric indu high temperature super conductivity inertial Mass reduction for a trans medium craft and high energy electromagnetic field generator you add that up and it looks a lot like an orb that could float around freely with no inertia and achieve super luminal speeds like we're seeing in those videos and it might be the Navy recording that video as well and it was in 2014 like right before you dropped your patent so do you have some connection to that video complete Serendipity and synchronicity sometimes these things just happen this is why I believe in something more than our quote unquote reduction is materialistic physical view of the world I do not understand why it happened I do not understand sometimes I wonder myself who gave me these ideas who put them in my head they've been there for some time it all started with that paper conditional possibility of spacecraft propulsion at superluminal speeds took me four and a half years to get that P that paper published finally it was published only when that other paper high energy electromagnetic field generation was published and again all the time I've had to work for it extremely hard to get these ideas through and yet at that point in time it all worked out you have to ask yourself why who gave the okay what made certain things occur for this to happen then and there I tell you man I think what do what we dealing with here is is is a war between the children of darkness and the children of the light and it's been going on for epochs for eons sometimes they have a small victory sometimes we there's something happening everything is being driven toward a a certain culmination point I don't know what that point is and I know this sounds weird but that weird but I mean like are you recognizing your patents in this video like the thing I couldn't get past last time was why you were praising me so much when you were a Navy engineer and I was just some guy being like hey these videos are crazy like can this be real and I I literally thought that like you had gone to the Future and met a future version of myself or maybe I went to the past or something but then I thought about it some more and I went this guy must be recognizing his technology in these videos and there's not a lot of people on Earth that would have that Revelation like that's why I asked you the question on what you you recognize in this video so are you recognizing your work or any component of your work in these in this video let me just answer it this way brother if I was the creator of those warps I would be in a skiff within a skiff within a skiff you understand you would have never heard of my name you would have never heard of of my existence I I would be one of those people you have never heard of that was so incredibly genial that all the the powerful beings in this world would come to me as an that I I don't know as an oracle you know of of of Science and Technology kind of a think of him uh think of me at at that point in time kind of like a an invincible invisible Elon Musk type you know it's a that's not not the case brother I am not the inventor of those orbs although I wish I had I would have been I'll tell you you think that Hal Poff or Eric Davis know who made those orbs quite possible I mean these are people of extreme Brilliance and I'm pretty sure that uh uh they know a lot more than I do yeah remember that they associated with a certain individual by the name of Jay Straton who I was extremely for forunate to meet all though uh our paths did not intersect after that to my dismay but uh yeah J Straton was one of the best I'm not sure if he's still around it's quite possi he is you ever meet Hal POF or Eric Davis in person no I wish oh my good what about Tom be you ever meet him no no I haven't you know who he is fact the the the only person I met was Jay strap you ever meet ay K Shoulders by any chance who Ken shoulders you ever meet him by any chance I've heard of Ken shoulders evos and so forth uh but uh Bostic another one busard oh my goodness I love busard he's so funny he everything he says about the the idea that we'll never achieve fusion and a Tac is so right on the money I need that quote because I'm 100% Allin on tokka Max just being a scam what was the quote quot that like he's never seen a star in the shape of a in shape of a toroid before is that what it's called look up look up on YouTube there must it it it must still be there he gave a I think it was a Google Talk and uh he was so funny in it that that the whole audience and we talk about these are Google Scholars you know the the whole audience just died laughing I said I do not recall ever seeing a in the form of a donut something like that but the way he said it was so comical everyone just broke down and laugh it's like so when did you figure out that it's all about plasma uh the mathematics if you look carefully at the P effect there's a Omega Square term in there and that speaks to something that has to do with plasmas I'll leave it there yeah so when did you figure that out how long ago oh man 90s no about 2015 something of the nature that's really Rec when I started putting stuff on paper when I said I I I must try to at least publish these but nobody will take it as a matter of fact yeah that se uh paper on high frequency gravitational W wave generation thank you very much for putting that out because it it it got a lot of views brother I tell I tell you you are you're starting to change the world man you'll see but anyway um so so I hope that these papers uh you know with your support are gonna be seen by a lot of people we just need a lot of people looking at these man I'm I'm I'm done with the MIT physicist I'm done with a har types some they will never accept this number one because of Envy number two I don't know jealousy uh uh Prestige whatnot and also and also the idea that an engineer thought these ideas before a physicist did there's an un almost a unspoken war between the physicist and the engineers nobody likes to touch it but put it this way even Einstein said the smartest man he's ever met was Tesla so the greatest physicist of all time recognized the greatest engineer of all time how interesting yeah it's all about first Victory you should have given up on the Academia a while back it's all I mean media's dead Academia is dead it's all about social media it's all about how many views you can get on social media come from them I am one of them you have to understand I'm of a certain pedigree I went for that process I I sweat Blood and Tears For That PhD qualifier I I was in that freaking room for six and a half hours after doing 10 days trying to solve an unsolvable problem basically didn't sleep for 10 days and then anyway it's so let me ask another once you go through that process once you go through that process it's hard to turn your back these are my people when your own people when your own tribe does not EX accept you what do you do anyway go ahead I want to ask a couple more questions and then we got Dave back uh in the in the back room I'm going to bring him up and then we can chat about some more science and I'm gonna ask you guys about some UFO stuff as well but uh I want to get your thoughts real quick on Cold Fusion pawns and flashmen so oh boy you familiar with their work at all Oh you mean do you mean do you mean um low energy nuclear no uh sorry s I'm it's just like UFOs I'm not rebranding into uaps I'm calling it cold fusion still some people calling it low energy nuclear reactions now the new Rebrand 2 is catalyzed Fusion that they're calling it dude but it's a whole different physical mechanism we're not talking about very high temperatures very high pressures this is a whole that it's as if you're coercing not you're not forcing you basically tantalizing you know it's like having a really ugly dude and a beautiful supermodel meeting on the Dance Floor all right and all of a sudden you see the supermodel being attracted toward this really ugly dude but why because he has certain movements he's doing he's doing the babal Luli you know what I'm saying yeah he's got those moves brother so that's what I'm talking about there look there are many roads that lead to Rome the whole idea is to get to Rome but there's only one via apia remember that there's one you just answered like half my cold fusion questions in one response which I appreciate because I was going to build up to the point that I think that cold fusion is not being judged based on the right metrics by the right results because like you said it's a completely different Beast we're not dealing with high temperatures you I've heard you mention the Maxwell Bosman uh equation or boltzman bolman sorry Maxwell boltzman uh curve and that's used to figure out in Hot Fusion like where the ignition level the ideal temperature is for the ignition level but when you're dealing with cold fusion you're dealing with a completely different mechanism you're not dealing with temperature as your main variable to you're actually dealing with like this pressure gradient you just like you said I love your analogy of the fact I the ugly dude with a supermodel no he's not necessarily fat because you know when you of a certain weight it's hard to do certain uh in inertial reduction moves but again the whole idea is that the guy is not quote unquote on the same level as the chick but she's extremely attracted to him why because of the movement in the ocean yeah now anyway so so you're not you hadn't seen K shoulder stuff you're familiar with his work because basically Ken's shoulders is saying we can produce these self-coherent balls of plasma that are self- sustaining self-organizing they are long long lived and when I look at that I go oh that's what we're looking at in these videos we've got this ball of plasma that's not dissipating you look at the Heat Signature Heat Signature there is uniform with the background have you read Jack nankins uh Force free time Harmon plasmoids paper by any chance I have not but please send it to me okay so you you didn't get your inspiration from any of those guys when on your plasma Fusion confinement very simple simple stuff everything's simple as a matter of fact the the nav the the patent attorney who happens to be a very good friend of mine his name is Mark Lut glut of Ukrainian thec American Ukrainian but uh glute is pronounced not glut glute Mar glute he he basically said the P effect is like a bag of chips you keep on taking one after another after another and you you keep on wanting some more the whole idea is that the same physical phenomena can apply to different applications that's the whole thing and when it came to the uh the plasma compression Fusion device everything just you know I actually saw I actually saw the dynamic fuses how they would have to work how they would counter rotate for the first time in my life I remember reading up on Tesla having a similar thing having run through his mind he already knew his invention would operate before he actually put it into practice I saw that plasma compression Fusion device working I know it will work yeah and the reason why I bring it up is that in Jack nins paper 1992 uh force-free time harmonic plasmoids he is specifically bringing up the energy levels and that are these massive energy levels um how Fox that worked with Ken's shoulders also brought up the energy levels I have a link to that but in here he's also saying it seems like that the temperature would be equivalent to the background atmosphere which is what we see in those videos but then down here at the bottom it says Casmir forces will arise in situations where owing to the high conductivity of the plasma due to the large number of free electrons components of the electromagnetic zero point background energy cannot penetrate uniformly into the plasma this will result in a lower energy density within the plasmoid and an apparent pressure gradient due to the vacuum now I read that and I read what you just mentioned and I go wow you haven't read this because it sounds like you're saying the exact same thing that you're creating you're pushing out Zero Point Energy from a certain region of space changing the permitivity of that region of space which changes the speed of light and now you're creating a bubble creating a bubble there is that how would you read that I would read it as a plasma ball plasma that's what I was created within my Dynamic fuses but no this is 100% this is on the record I have never read that paper before nor seen it again all the pice effect inventions are original they came out of the kic field that's call it okay um let's let's bring Dave on if you ready and we can just kind of nerd out a little bit my brother I see smiling in the background here we go let's see how this work hey Dave how's hey my brother what's up what's going on how you feeling man how you feeling you okay much better thank you thank you much better this has been a fantastic stream I've been watching from the beginning this is beautiful awesome yeah thank you guys both for being here uh I want to talk some science I want to talk some Physics but before we get into that let's talk a little bit about this UFO Community stuff that's going on uh actually I want to start with the letter that uh s you submitted through Dave Rossy here we got everybody here got Dave banned actually on Twitter I don't think he's unbanned yet by the way so Elon Musk anybody's out there let's man unbanned come on Elon just watch the last Project Unity pod come on see what I have to say about you come on yeah and I watched that project um interview and in that interview you actually were asked about something similar related to this letter the thing that stuck out in the letter to me was that you say you believe in human technology man yeah and and Project Unity J asked you about this and and said you know so are you saying that we could have figured this out you kind of allude to the fact that we humans could have figured this out but the thing that I took away which just I want to know your opinion on was that it almost seemed like you were saying that like we've figured some alien technology out and now we're trying to weaponize it in a way that the aliens would not have used the technology uh man that was a freaky thing is that what you were trying to say is that what you're trying to get across when you talk about using human technology and that you believe in human technology or what did you mean by that no what I basically what I was saying is that any reversed engineer Technology based on quote unquote uh these um ancient antique whatever ET craft that we happen to find in a a pyramid like structure or so forth the let's call them the nonhuman or rather the extraterrestrials or who knows exactly what they are but whever these individuals are where whatever these entities are okay they would know their own technology far better than us so if God forbid there was an armada Say by Proxima santor about to attack our solar system and take over Earth for its natural resources and so forth we will stand a much better chance not having to deal with a trojan horse so in other words they know their own technology anything developed based on their own technology they can defeat against what could take them by surprise and man is man-made technology something that all of heavyside and Tesla dreamed up say you understand that simple harmonic oscillator hooked into say a Tesla coil of some sort generating a certain p uh plasma vibrating a certain frequency would generate something wild that can take this down that's all I mean that's a pretty crazy thought to think like oh aliens figured out some plasma but we figured out how to turn into a death ray cu of death R I haven't heard that in a long time yeah the thla death ray hey I speaking of uh president-elect Trump ask him what's up with this uh uh his uncle over there I bet you he knows certain things I don't speaking of that let me hear both your guys' opinions on do you think that there's going to be any difference in the new Administration do you think what who administration's in charge makes any difference at all when it comes to disclosure of this Tech technology and UFO stuff it'll be a fight in my opinion who's going to win I don't know but it'll be a fight um it's it's weird there's some people um that are in the position to um bring these things forward that are saying to certain individuals or groups that if you do this strategically and correctly there might be a way to do it and there's other people that don't ever want it to see the light of day from where I am my little corner of the world and I'm not speaking for s or anybody else but from what I see it's an ongoing fight at the moment um that's what I see I could I hope I'm wrong I hope it's more beneficial and and forthcoming um but that's that's what I see at the moment s what about you do you think the administration makes any difference as somebody who's worked on the inside with the military even as a private citizen given uh that I am a government employee I I will uh and I'm still obligated under the Hatch Act to reserve any all and all such opinions uh however from an alternative idea point of view this whole idea of of camps again the children of the darkness versus the CH the children of the light this is an ongoing War this will not stop this will not change in any way shape or form I'm not even sure if any side should win because light cannot exist without Darkness now let me jumble let me jump onto that then so Peter teal was on Joe Rogan and one of the things that he said was what if if aliens are getting to Earth and they've got this warp drive technology this fancy technology that's basically your patents um that potentially they would have to be a civilization that's either all Angels or all demons and he says that because he's saying that we either have to be all perfectly altruistic or some type of totalitarian pre- crime Minority Report situation where we can all hear each other's thoughts so that nobody would use this technology to annihilate the entire civilization do you agree with that what are what are your guys views we'll start with s oh my goodness again this uh unfortunately this physics can be greatly weaponed I mean it can make say the oresnik look like a fre uh I don't know a pencil thrown in the air that comes apart you know clusters of pencils still a pencil excuse my language uh so I I I pass it on to brother rosi please I think it's a mixed bag and what I mean by that is for example if you have a species that is more advanced in a certain field than with regards to you know propulsion or um a form of engineering the space-time metric I in my opinion it doesn't necessarily mean that they're um entirely altruistic or entirely evil completely if we think of the notion of what you've studied quite a lot about uh on your on your shows Ashton of you know fractals and you know there's talk of um you know on the spiritual side people talk about you know higher self lower self Etc it's possible some of these species may be more matured um but again when we think of the notion of pure philosophical perspective that doesn't necessarily mean within our I guess you could say Vector of understanding that they um that they're doing good or bad relative to us or even relative to them um I think it's a it's a mixed bag I think it depends who we're dealing with uh how why um I I think we're dealing with a mixed bag I really do that's just my opinion but so all these UFOs have been an increase in sightings in the last just week alone uh where do we stand and what these things are do we think this is a craft with somebody inside it do we think this is a plasma orb that's floating around do we think it's a drone with lights connected to it do we think it's some combination of all of the above where do we stand with what we're can I if I could say really quickly and forgive me Ashton because I don't mean to deviate from the when you guys had talked in the beginning of the stream about a power source on the craft I just want to say in the way I interpret it and again as brother s has said there are many different ways you could skin this cat so one way that I interpret it is that the craft in many in some cases may have occupants on it um there is in my opinion a power source but I would argue the power source acts more as a facilitator between the local vacuum and the the actual what's inside the craft now inside the craft you're going to have the mass of everything weigh completely differently than everything outside of the craft so you'll be able to have uh something that would be hypothetically you know many many hundreds of pounds heavy on the craft but from an external Observer or measurer the craft and the all the objects in it weigh almost zero in in its weight um now in terms of are there uh I think we're dealing with Mother ships I think then from there we're dealing with uh probes like you know orbs probes the way we send uh you know D we have um uh you know a Boeing 757 and then maybe we throw some drones off of it to surveil a certain area on the land before we send our soldiers in for example we could be dealing with something like that perhaps um so do you think that element 115 is a real thing then I here here's what's interesting I have to say I I go back and forth I really do because when you look at the uh specifically Edward Teller what Edward tell teller's lawyers had said about when he met Bob Lazar or allegedly I'm paraphrasing here but Edward teller's lawyers shortly before Mr Teller died had in the late 90s said um our client never met Mr Lazar but if he did then they never spoke and if they never spoke then they didn't meet but if they did meet then it um they never engage so it was a very carefully crafted response with regards to um if they actually met or not do I think Element 115 is real I I think that's moscovium if I'm not mistaken um I believe it's been reproduced in a German lab for like a fraction of a second if that it's I think it's possible um at the same time I if I could just say quickly I think the reason why nobody um wants to admit uh about uh admit any truth with regards to the Bob Lazar story and the S4 stuff is because just by admitting to it you're incriminating yourself if you had any knowledge on it because the programs were so off the books that it's it's basically they're trying you know trying to whitewash not make a Witch Hunt so to speak and there's arguments about that do I lean towards the way generally what Mr Lazar says being true yeah my opinion yeah s what about you what do you think uh Bob Lazar what do you think about Element 115 I don't know about Element 115 but one thing that he said is that the sports model this thing that he was describing it's as if it was 3D printed out of the fabric of SpaceTime itself that speaks directly to the Super Force it's a super force that acts on the spatial temporal geometric structure locally to create energy density hence matter generation of matter directly as if 3D printed out of SpaceTime itself the nature of our reality so I truly believe Lazar is correct if I can give another hint as well um Lazar had talked about his gravity a wave and gravity b-wave in my opinion um I think what he's describing is Iden what he described there is dealing with DC gravity and AC gravity um there's certain researchers I won't say the names but they they stumbled upon the same thing about 15 20 years ago uh before they disappear dealing with there being two types of gravity that could be uh gravitational waves that could be generated electromagnetically um specifically dealing with um again stat I gravity and then an alternating current type of gravity so I'll just leave that there there are consistencies when you if you have the if people have the resources to dig deep enough there are consistencies that you'll find between various researchers and and what Lazar said in many regards um Ming Lee is one of those researchers Eugene panov you think I don't want to I I don't want to get anybody including Brother s or myself in trouble so that's why I'm just going to say there were researchers out there speaking of which Brothers at this point in time quick Interruption sorry sorry brother sorry brother Rossi neither Brother Rossi nor brother Ashton nor myself I'm not speaking for them but I'm 100% sure they're of the same mindset none of us are in the mindset or the thought of suiciding ourselves just in case anybody out there gets brilliant ideas you talking about Lee you gotta put that say what I will say is that there are experiments that are slowly considered now as being part of what's been called extended electrodynamics they're somewhat being discussed at an unclassified level dealing with um certain objects that that may or may not be rotating where they either gain or lose their weight in very minuscule levels and there may have been attempts to scale that and if the attempts to scale it were successful they would probably not have made those results public yeah I think that it really comes down to plasma though you know a lot of those results one of the things I've always noticed about them is that the results are never really that great but when it came to these evos there's something amazing about it which is that these electrons are clustering together in huge densities that they wouldn't normally cluster together in in something called cold plasma I'm if I say yeah I'll this is the part where I'll just openly say it and this is what I'm about to say here is not a reflection on any of the views that brother s has I just want to clarify that in any way these are my own views but I would dare to say that when we talk about again the words you know negative energy it's possible that electricity the way that we normally think of current as being hot it's possible it can be it can get cold if you can reverse its entropy um and I'll leave I'll I'll I'll leave that there uh again if I've said this before I think a year year and a half ago um if people look into what the source charge problem is that has still been unresolved in mainstream physics um and it's I don't even think many people even know about it today um the the electrodynamicist experts of of many years ago did the source charge problem dealing with where energy actually comes from and if and I'll I'll just leave that there I think there's something with the vector and scalar potentials that I'll leave I'll leave that there s Do You Believe In The Ether I believe in the quantum vacuum well tomato tomato well the Luminous ethers again brother man you got to remember my trial but see and you're 100% right you know I will I will always try to be part of them because I am part of them and it's it it that's why it hurts so much to be called a pseudo scientist that's why I truly hope some somebody out there will will will run a quick experiment of the P effect and prove me right well I think I think um what I'm about to say here too one final thing forgive me uh uh s for interrupting you um what about to say here is is going to be very controversial and it does not represent anyone else's views in any way I believe that the energy densities that s has been discussed in his uh amazing papers and in his patents are achievable when you have the implementation of negative energy um working in a very cadu like form where the cold side or the negative side offsets the Heat or positive side so you can attain these densities in a certain way that would that do break the schwinger limit um it is that is not considered to be mainstream in any capacity um I probably get made fun of a lot if I said that in open groups although again many closed groups I've spoken to have acknowledged this so you start getting into you know controversial territory but I am very confident that Sal's um inventions uh are are very feasible yeah do you think do do you guys think that it's uh analogous or exactly the same as the dynamic Casmir effect do you think the dynamic Casmir effect is breaking the swinger limit and causing Photon pair production to be I think if you can use resonance um to scale up what the Casmir effect does then you can break it yeah I think so yeah what about you s what do you think about Dynamic Casmir effects interesting mechanism again quite complex for my but then again I go with simple things trying to solve complex problems I've always believed that the solution to all complex problems is simple depending on perspective how you look at it so there's there's a patent regarding the Casmir effect sorry Ashton um that I'll send to you that your audience may be interested if you haven't seen it already dealing with deploying a certain type of monoatomic gas inside the cavity to lower the ground state of the vacuum fluctuations to extract more more energy from the potentials that now become real observable particle fluctuations and then if again if you can use resonance to scale that up I'm not going to with respect I will not go into how to you how to engineer that practically um on the stream here but if one could use resonance I think that there's an entire field of physics that Tesla was onto that brother s uh is on to very strongly that is um is completely been whitewashed from from the from the field yeah are you talking about and Bernard ha's Casmir cavity patent that I'm gonna steal in a couple years when it expires there's another one as well it's from some Asian individuals but they uh uh I think they're I'm not sure if they're Chinese or not but anyways the the point is is um the you have to think geometry yeah that was one thing that I never expected with uh a lot of this is how much of a difference fre frequency plays a role so um oh speaking of Ashton you hit on something when you said frequency it's really important okay that frequency Square term if you get me in a skiff with some very important people kov can be there W Davis can be there uh of course Dave you everyone that matters J Straten everyone that matters and has some say saying this whole thing possi Elon down the road I can show in less than five minutes when I'm talking about that given that Omega Square term I can we we can break the schwinger limit do you think those guys don't know that though like I feel like they have to know no they know they know no they know that's why I'm not that's why I'm not being brought into a ski F questioned anyway yeah so that that kind of goes to my next point is Sou you told me you said if you go on Joe Rogan or Tucker Carlson bring me with you so that's still hasn't happened but that offer stands out there if Tucker Carlson people are watching or Joe Rog is watching what is it that you want to say to Joe Rogan or Tucker Carlson why do you want to go on unification brother the only way this Earth can survive give what is coming and I tell you what is coming will be a test like Humanity has never sin before since the flood the unified Earth can withstand it it takes Advanced physics to deal with it if we do not come together as a United Earth leave aside all our differences enjoy the idea of homo sapien sapien jubilate in the fact we are humans we shall fall like we've never F fell before we had a chance after the flood given the historical narrative I don't think we'll have a chance this time unless we come together for the event event occurs I will not say what the event is I dare not even think it because your thoughts become actions under certain conditions so it's better you leave it on thought I mean I think it's kind of important we talk about it because people out there speculating there's so much confusion in the UFO Community about is there going to be a project blue beam or the aliens invading us are we going to get hit by an asteroid like you know sure your thoughts can manifest reality but how do we stop something unless we are ready talking about it in the open you know so what are we dealing with here we dealing with alien invasion are the aliens going to come out of the water are they going to come back from you know they visited us 50 years ago or you know if I could say a natural cycle of the planet that is in harmony with the cosmos that um lifts the veil energetically on certain phenomena that we're always right in front of us but we're too uh energetically covered up for us to notice I think that Sal's technology could help stop it um my opinion is that I could be wrong my opinion my technology it's our technology sure thank you sure we've been speaking of this nonstop so now it's our technology and not just the three of us the entire world yes um that's I believe these patent applications were let where where by some great Act of God I don't know what else to call it they were Le led into the public Consciousness to facilitate a possible way out of the nightmare I there there's um what I'm going to say here has already been public knowledge by Mr Boyd Bushman the controversial Lockheed Martin engineer who made a few videos before he died um dealing with the possibility of what's called uh the apus comet uh in Corr respondence with a potential pole flip of the planet um it's possible every 12 13,000 years the the planet and we as a species go through a cycle um and we may be coming up to the end of that cycle once more okay yeah I mean I've heard all the doomsday stuff but it's something like that there's nothing we can do about you know the polls flip whatever I mean doesn't matter where you're going to be you're just luck of the draw at that point um we could annihilate and if the come invade Heck if they don't have teleportation technology or Annihilation whatever the heck we're doing then you know good luck to them now this is what I ask like let's assume that the MH370 videos are real I already know they're real but let's just assume they are you know we're uh role playing here when would you guys assume human beings would have figured out not just that we can make a floaty ball of plasma super conductive harmonic orb as I called it how would we when would we have figured out that they combine them together and all of a sudden you break the swinger limit you know because one orb the energy levels are large extremely large by are you asking sorry are you asking about the historical timeline like in the last 80 years when you think yeah when do you guys think that how I mean do you think humans have figured it out the biggest drama is this is that a lot of people espe in the UFO Community are sure that what we're looking at in those videos represents non human intelligence maybe but I think that you guys would also argue that well humans like this goes back the math and equations go back to early 1900s which is a long long time ago I'm so my question is a you know what do you think that humans have had enough time to reverse engineer or figure this out by ourselves and when do you think we would have taken it to the next level where it's like now we're just zapping these things together and poofing planes out of existence if I could say very quickly in terms of the historical timeline I don't I'm not an expert on that I don't claim to know when what happened and where we have to keep in mind a lot of these alleged special access programs a lot after they're completed or the you know compartmentalized uh uh programs are are finished um they kind of get um shredded and nothing gets put on record so they do get they do get washed away to history so as to who specifically cracked it first I don't know but what I can say to that is um the look at look at what Brother s was able to do um with uh not to speak for him but with what I believe was a $400,000 Grant from the dod look at what he was able to do just with that imagine if you had you know 20 30 hundred million do what you could do yeah and the one thing I learned about this science is that man super weapons are cheap like this stuff is not relative to how much people spend on other project the government's been wasting on hot Fusion we spend like nothing on this you know what's interesting Brother s mentioned earlier the Vander graph generator and that speaks to you know particle accelerators and so on and um it's interesting when you look at the history um I'm not saying this in a good or bad way if there are photos from mit's website of Dr John Trump Donald Trump's Uncle with Mr vandergraph in the 1920s or 30s looking at big version of a vandergraph machine we can say that a vandergraph machine is an early version of what the CERN particle accelerators are so I I think you know something was understood back then um couple the vandag graph generator with a Tesla coil uh by put it this way oh wow yeah yeah what do you think about that I mean and do you think it could be a combination of things going on as well that brother I have a slightly different I I I go from books because they they show people's people especially older books or books that are no longer in print once upon a time we used to read read actual books you know hard copy things that we used to open and actually the leaves we would turn one by one very interesting thoughts very interesting ideas there there's one such book by Charles fort f o r t it's called The Book of the Damned the damn d a m n d what we're about to become anyway it's called The Book of the dam and in chapter 12 he says something incredibly profound he says I think we are property in that I believe somebody has ownership over us you think we're on a prison planet brother there's so many things we don't know look man a lot of people have been making fun of Graham Hancock a lot of people have been making fun of anyone that has tried to point us for example Dr Joseph farell that's been trying to point point us to the idea of the enuma the book of creation the war among the gods the tablets of Destiny you think all these were just wow mythical ideas that we just came how about Troy my brother how about Troy schan with a copy of of the Odyssey under his arm found what we think is now Troy possibly various vestiges of what Troy is so if you can do that with a book that supposedly was written by some dude called Homer then how should I say imagine what you can do with actual books that supposedly were written by the gods who were the anun the children of Heaven and Earth what do we not know about our own civilization in Graham Hancock's own words are we a civilization with amnesia I believe we are I'm a big fan of that thought process as well I mean just we don't civiliz doesn't go far back enough in my opinion for us to be as advanced as we have been as we are today um which I I do think there's a lot of crossover between that work and Joseph P frell I mean I found a clip from him back in 2014 uh roughly a day or a few days after the plane disappeared and he was talking about the United States using a teleportation super weapon on the plane which I don't think any nobody was talking about that except for him I'm surprised that he hasn't wanted to reach out and talk to me just because of Joseph P farell is one of these polymaths even though he has a certain degree and uh something to do with the original Church fathers I believe he is of the uh Eastern Orthodox uh religion I think was B yeah he was of the Protestant religion or maybe Roman Catholic at one point in time but anyway his his doctrate is uh in in in theology religious studies the the way this man researches the profundity of his work the way that he has stepped into works for example by Igor vikasi we're talking about the glocka the truth about the wund OFA among other things all right no need to get you demonetized so I'll just leave it there yeah yeah please don't we're doing such a good job brother I like I Dave R talking about plasmas we're talking about all kinds of crazy stuff so let's just keep it rolling uh you know you guys think Plasma's conscious like what do you think you think what do you think life is read the demon in theore it's the latest book by Dr Joseph P farell read very very carefully what he has to say about Dr Hans Al Nobel Prize winner for me Neto hydrodynamics one of the greatest Minds in magnetic flu Dynamics ever to exist see what this man thought about the sension of plasmas under certain conditions when driven far from equilibrium see what he has to say the very fact that this man brings about uh ideas from different domains is able to for read his um secrets of the unified field amazing book hardly ever mentioned see what he has to say about Gabriel cron and all those greats that once upon a time existed on the surface of this Earth Charles Proteus Steinmetz a giant of a man the man was was of a very small stature but as far as intellect this man was a giant among giants see what Charles Pro assignment has to say about impulses and electric discharges anyway you think that there's a connection between Hypersonic spy planes from the 60s and the 70s and balls of plasma floating around now I guess what I'm saying is that these Hypersonic planes would use a plasma sheath in front of them as far as I can tell that's the earliest documentation of the military using plasma to achieve extremely high velocities do do you think there is something inside of these plasma orbs or do you think they are something that's produced externally and then achieve some sort of equilibrium or do you you think there's a combination brother Rossi take it oh see this is the question the questions are very good Ashton that's why I stay quiet yeah um well I think uh I I I don't mean to dodge let me just say this there are certain papers out there I think from the 1950s and early 1960s before um before he told his colleagues that he was leaving his academic Community his friends behind and going into a world that they wouldn't accept because it seemed too crazy at the time if you look at the work of what Gabriel cron um did um you'll find that there was discussion of things like the mention of negative resistance being feasible but then in that same paper he mentions that it is but it isn't almost as if he was forced to have to there was censorship of his work I think that if you look at the possibility of The Ether acting as a sort of negative resistor what that would do in combination with the plasma sheath would inhabit certain properties and phenomena that classically as we even think now um it would expand the law of first law of conservation of energy um it would violate the second law of thermo in uh to expand it to use the implement the the quantum vacuum um I think I I forgive me because um I I've worked on some uh some contracts that deal with that so I really have to watch there but I I think that um plasma sheets are very interesting uh I I don't mean to be vague I'm sorry but now do you think plasma sheets are very interesting put it this way uh let's do the flu Dynamic analogy of what the Russians called the shagal I believe that I do not have the correct pronunciation the whole idea of this um this uh super cavitating torpedo that rides within what a bubble of a right well think what plasma is it's the next state into instead of being a gas it's a plasma and other words the electrons have ionized why don't we think of plasma as a transition State transition to what transition from what we understand as three-dimensional matter to quintessence of fifth Essence what is this fifth essence you see could very well be the quantum vacuum I I strongly agree with that yes I think maybe it's possible for a better description or not better a different perspective it's possible there's a sort of memory in the quantum vacuum that is only observable and um uh physically realizable when you involve Plasma in that transition stage in in a form of um geometrical disequilibrium from an engineering perspective like a Bose Einstein condensate fits somewhere into that range of sure sure I mean some people have proposed you know there's that have proposed water um some people propos hydrogen some propose um uh you know argon uh Bose Einstein condensate um yeah yeah um so let me ask a couple quick questions or go ahead South go for just a quick one and then I'll stop Victor lnos paper page three he describes the physical mechanism of the piso electricity induced room temperature superconductor because of my great huus I call it the P effect rtsc the superconductor anyway you know why not well that's yeah so the whole idea on page three he basically says we use a what an alternating magnetic field to create the Bose Einstein condensate once we have the condensate we set it in motion by what a alternating current a pulsed current that's it Victor Russian Academy of Sciences in one freaking phrase locked the room temperature superconductor I'm 100% sure one day that will be proven correct I I believe firmly that sorry if I could say the the Bon Cooper Schaffer theory on super conductivity has a deep flaw in it in my opinion um they don't they don't look at what happens when you deal with uh lattice holes and those things yeah and I I read the Victor Lock no the way at a high temperature super conductivity uh yeah I I do find pulse uh pulses uh alternating current uh alternate I don't I don't mean to I I don't mean to speak for S here but and I don't mean to say to be uh uh disrespectful to your Audience astion by being very vague here but I I I there's something that's right there whether it's room temper room temperature super conductivity or negative energy from an engineering perspective there and Ashton you know we've talked privately about this there's something right there that people have missed it's right there that it's it and in a way it pisses me it pisses me off because I know that s knows and I know that we we know but it's it's it's right there it's been it's been done in yeah it's yeah well so this brings me up to another point which is that often times uh I've found that one of the drawbacks of disclosure is that a lot of scientists have thought oh everybody's gonna figure this out is that I've figured this amazing thing out everybody's going to come and realize it themselves relatively soon but it always turns out that no we don't end up coming through with it I mean I was just reading uh some correspondence between Ken shoulders and some other people in the 90s where they're like everyone's going to figure out the cold Fusion's real now blah blah blah and it's 30 years later still hasn't happened so what I guess I want to ask you guys is do you believe that we that somebody on this Earth has technology that is beyond the Paradigm of what Humanity currently believes is possible yes I yes I know we do yes now why are we doing we being the United States government in this case or intelligence communities or defense contractors why do you believe we are doing evil to keep it silent whether that be suppression that be quite literally killing people in some cases it depends how high up the chain you want to go in this conversation it depends how high up you want to go in terms of brother remember Charles Fort all right book of the damn I I think we are Property Brother we're nothing more than slaves and fear is for slaves and the way they control Us is from [Music] here that's a good point and so somebody did ask in the chat I was looking at some of the questions you know they wanted to know how consequential is this information well that's one answer is that if we are quite literally slaves on a prison planet then you could imagine that they would hide technology that would break us free from that absolutely that makes sense to me is po knowledge is power you don't give the slaves power because they Rebel and about you what do you think well I think let to address the overall concept here I I know for a fact there have been people in Laboratories whether NASA or elsewhere that have discovered this effect on a small scale and this is where it's become I call more of it a mental brainwashing more than anything that has over that has sort of um put a a blanket uh psychos on a lot of the the masses um uh although many people are waking up to be fair which is beautiful to see I it's amazing it it really warms my heart however there have been people that have made certain discoveries where experts then come in those experts are also Gatekeepers that um of these type of technologies that basically Gaslight them into thinking that what they see in the lab is not what they're actually seeing and then they just label it as uh you know electrostatic repulsion when it's it's not um and then they then they then they deprive you of the right measurement tools to confirm or deny that um it it's happened a few times uh yeah hope hopefully that answers the question but yeah yeah it does so and I I guess you guys are probably somewhat familiar with the a uh I did speak to an officer that was going to Ure you know ensured to me that my the case of m370 would be part of the aro's official record I don't know what they're going to find or not find I think at the end of the day they probably are not going to confirm the videos are real but they won't be able to deny the videos are real what do you guys think of the AO and do you think the government will ever admit to this or do you think it's going to take people like us right now talking about this what is your opinions on what it would take for disclosure to happen it's going to come through you and and others not Arrow my opinion s what do you think the office of Immaculate constipation sorry I didn't catch that what was it the office of Immaculate constipation got it um yeah and this this makes me think about the letter to Ashton Forbes where at the end says all you can do is talk about it you know if somebody has this type of technology that is this powerful they have access to in my opinion unlimited energy based on the conversation that we've had today as well as manipulating SpaceTime itself which is teleportation and probably a lot of other really magical type effects so they would have unlimited power uh compared to what we think from the public perspective today um there might do you know one person that I really don't get and I've said this in the J Anderson interview on Project Unity and I'll repeat it here Richard Dolan with his idea of breakaway civilization which Dr Joseph Farrell followed on and the two of them together brought upon a very interesting way of thinking toward the possibility of a breakaway civilization it's as if after 2017 the entire history of the of these an knowledge objects has been WIP clean now we only talk about uaps we talk about the soul found whatnot you know all of a sudden we have new faces with new histories instead of the old faces with a correct histories yes yes so that's this is a good thing where let's just talk some smack about the UFO Community a little bit maybe we can close after this as well is that I heard you talk about Richard Dolan and I remember I was brand new to the whole Community he was one of the first people that I found a remarkable mind he truly is a great researcher and he he was talking about the technology and the Breakaway civilization concept and now the the reason why I sorry to interrupt there is that I what I've realized is that a lot of these people are kind of connected in a little click and the problem when you make Clicks in my opinion is that people have a tendency of peer pressure the Conformity experiment so one of the narratives that I've seen and this is why I wanted to bring up with you earlier is that a lot of these people are pushing the idea that humans could not have UND figured this technology out or understand this technology that it's some somehow it's just beyond human comprehension which would then rule out this idea that we've developed this technology that we've reverse engineered it or that there was a breakaway civilization they say that it must be aliens that have figured this out and you see them all droning the same narrative about it even Lando will say well we have the temporal problem but then I listen to S say well once you look at Einstein's equations from 1915 anybody could have figured this out so I I guess what I'm getting at is like what would you want to tell the UFO Community or what gripes do you have with that Community right now on what I would consider to be this controlled disclosure that's being pushed by a community that's in a in a click together like what do you think what would you tell those people and what do we need to do to open our minds more to the various options related to disclosure hold the line hold the line Stand by Your principles remember your history do not buy into these Emeral dreams Illusions delusions that have such a beautiful FAS say to them I like it um Dave what do you think I would say the field right now is a show uh you have disinformation agents you have a few people in there telling the truth uh uh again relative to their field of expertise there may be people that you know are telling the truth in one area but in other areas they have sources that feed them things that are either wrong we're dealing with probably the most messed up uh psychological psychologically manipulative field um probably on the on the planet from a human perspective I I have not seen any other field that has been so uh infiltrated by intelligence that has been so manipulative and so deceiving and conniving as I have in the uh the uh alternative science UFO UAP field there are very good people out there doing very good work don't get me wrong but there are also a lot of people that are doing things on purpose that they know is incorrect that they're spread with regards to spreading information and then there are other people that are legitimately being used as useful idiots um so that's that's where I would leave that I would say try your best to go with your intuition your own discernment um I'm not sitting here claiming I I can look at the field and know everything about everybody but I'd like to think I have a general idea of what groups are dealing with what and how um and you start it becomes tough right because you have a if you have a one group that's telling the truth about one thing but then they have to you know stop at a certain point and then they have to tell a lie because it it overlaps with uh you know American National Security it becomes a tough situation to deal with for the people hearing the information and the people providing the information with good intent the ones that have bad intent uh F them but so what I'm hearing is free energy is possible we got floaty orbs of plasma that can probably teleport airplan United States governments figured it out and we can't really talk about it because it's adversarial issue of uh National Security where we're in an arms race against China and Russia Iran and and North Korea here uh and it becomes a lot more Awkward than just aliens that's that's what I've taken away from today's conversation so oh SP two hours and that's what he took away what about time is on the order of one divided by frequency and when you yeah don't worry I'm going to get back to all the science don't forget what I said in the beginning do do the chain rule on on on Time is on the order of one divided by frequency and you'll see what I'm talking about you hook that with A minkowski Spacetime metric and you'll see how these things displace and you see how the negative sign all of a sudden becomes positive it's a beautiful thing anyway man I I like keeping things in the positive it's just me you know no 100% And I think that the negative side is we're probably going to destroy ourselves with this technology I mean that's just how I see it but hey there's a chance that we might not there's a chance if I could leave on a positive note before I I have I have to go myself um and thank you so much guys for having me this has been an honor I will say Ashton that when every so often when you're doing your streams every week or every couple days when I tune in wherever I am if I'm traveling or I'm at home or whatever there's certain things I see people say in the comments and I go how the hell did they see that you know there's certain things I look and I go my God I go this this should maybe shouldn't be put on a live stream chat so what I'm trying to say is you're you're you're doing good work you're doing very good work thank you yeah I see it too and there's people in my live streams probably right now watching where I'm I'm going oh boy there several times where I don't I don't highlight their comment because I'm like they're so on the on the money that you know it could actually like help out people that are our adversaries but it's a fine line between what why do we disclose safely that we aren't going to destroy ourselves versus you know change the whole planet forever you know and I think that's what makes this topic so so tough to to if I and also if I can mention one more thing there's a for a lot of people in this field the ones looking into the science that you tend to attract with your audience which is beautiful there's a lot of um I noticed there's a there's everyone goes through their Journey where they discover a certain terminology or a certain uh experiment concept and they don't fully understand it and because they don't fully understand it I don't mean this in a good or bad way they then plaster it all over the internet but then you know uh six months later after they learn more about it they remove those posts because they realize how sensitive what they said earlier was and they didn't realize that so it's a learning Journey um for a lot of people when they realize for example we talk residents in a cavity that sounds harmless but then if you go and you experiment with resonance in a cavity with maybe some you know engineering adjustments you start to think holy should I even talk about residance so it's a it's a it's a learning Journey for a lot of people and it's very interesting to see because your platform Ashton has been the most open about it and I love I have plausible deniability it's like oh if I accidentally give away the secret sauce I didn't know so that's what I love about open you know what makes you know what makes me laugh you know what makes me laugh a lot of this is on the web it's just you have yeah that's what makes it's pseudo science is so shat upon that everybody dismisses it out of hand right speaking of something they're gonna dismiss right out the hand because remember Hawking brought to us the whole idea of chronological protection uh the idea that you cannot have um reverse temporal Excursion look very carefully a watch just just said time equals or rather yeah equals a constant this constant has a to do with breaking the the schwinger limit but I'm not goingon to go into it too too too interesting because it speaks to a certain thing but what I'm about to say now I hope your followers have not Dro off because they will enjoy this given that Hawkings said you you cannot go back in time how about that time look how simple it is time is on the order one divided by frequency apply the F the chain rule to that you get Negative delta T is on the order of uh Delta Omega / Omega squar so in other words under certain conditions if I was to say stay in a chamber of a certain ionizing radiation given a certain frequency and so all of a sudden dial up the frequency oh what might happen because it speaks to a negative delta T gentlemen reverse temporal Excursion it might be possible it might be possible to engineers something where you um you incre you you reverse the entropy and therefore you get phenomena that nothing in classical physics has been able to explain I can live forever I can live forever simple stuff resulting in a highly complex phenomena that's all I'm arguing for yeah so free energy is real teleportation's real orbs that float around freely a real and also by the way guys uh you can live forever so if you needed more motivation when you say ason when you say when you say free energy you mean coefficient of performance over one like like a heat pump in a home yeah but you know you know how I talk it's always going to be free energy and cold fusion and UFOs to me so you know if other people want to come up with other fancy terms that's more palatable for Normie out there that's fine but uh you know it's hard let me ask Ashton let me ask you do you think it's possible to get more energy out than what you put into a system uh 100% yeah I think that the you and yes we will rewrite the first and second laws but we're not going to rewrite them out of necessity we're going to rewrite them out of convenience because it's a matter of once you have this energy source of our UFOs that is our Zero Point Energy field that's all around us if you have an external energy source you can easily get around the first and second laws the first law you get around because you're constantly exchanging energy with let me if I can leave one last hint and this is very well the Meisner effect with superconductors nice people don't realize what they're with respect uh people don't I don't mean this towards your audience I mean towards the mainstream physics World they don't realize what they're looking at when the M if you have a liquid nitrogen with a magnet over a superconductor and that as long as there's constant fuel of liquid nitrogen the magnet stays levitating what what does that mean in a thermodynamic sense a lot of people a lot of people don't realize that what what what that what that's already it's violating the second law right there by the way and I'm just going to say it because it people don't realize that yeah I mean when I look at something floating freely like I'm looking at over here on the side of the screen this is supposedly lk99 one of the videos of the debunk superconductor I mean I'm looking at something just levitating freely here you know this is a magnet without it being stuck to anything it's just not it's just floating suspended yep and this is why I love the question I noticed in the comments here I think Bob Greener said flux pinning yeah right uh Bob flux pinning but there's a component a thermodynamic component to the flux pinning that people don't realize is interacting with the local vacuum between its critical State and the just what's just outside of it the flux there's there's a there's a negative entropy component there that people don't realize so just uh wind it down uh s what would be your final positive message that you would want to leave for people and and thank you very much for having this conversation with me again here today it's been great it's been my pleasure Brothers uh Ashton you you coming up to speed brother like uh and by the way hello to Bob since I heard he over there so it's like we definitely should have a force on sometime you know it's like a you know what I mean like a physics thing these days you have to say it you know but anyway yeah so look you you and and and brother Rossi it's an absolute pleasure to engage with you on these subjects I I I've spoken to brother Rossy on many time not to use words like NE negentropy and other things because it rubs certain people the wrong way now eventually again people will get used to the terminology and the ideas and so forth but not right now because they will call us pseudo scientists so that's what I I'm see I understand what brother ashon is saying F the mother effort and let's do our thing the only problem is it's the mother efforts that are in proud are in power and they're the ones that give the grants they're the ones that dispense the favors they're the ones that give the promotions again we're all effan slaves the problem is the mofos don't recognize they slave them trust me it'll hit them one day they'll be absolutely amazed anyway awesome thanks brother Ashton it's been absolutely a pleasure thank you for having me as well thank you guys it's an honor thank you so much yep and I want to shoot my big thanks to both Brother s and brother d for jumping on with me here today uh it really helped ingrain a lot of the scientific Concepts that I've learned over the last year I wouldn't have been able to do any of it without either of these guys that are here uh thank you m37x for following along guys I had a great interview you guys have a great day and uh we'll be talk again soon Bravo thank