Skyfire News Weekly Update 2/16/24

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# Skyfire News Weekly Update 2/16/24 in the middle of uh next week probably going to be like Tuesday Wednesday something like that and uh both Ashton and uh local are both bringing scientists and experts so we can have like a a higher level debate on the missing plane and the science welcome chat here we go we got the weekly Skyfire news I I'm a couple minutes late but here we go joining in progress you know at least a day before to let you guys know so you don't miss it right here on Sky Skyfire but red if you want to talk us through the week uh and bring us back to uh last Saturday what was the news yeah so I'm looking back what we could I really think we should just start with the um the super Super Bowl stuff because over the weekend I'm looking back at it um yeah let's just just start there because we have that ready to go and I'm just going to play our little a little Montage we did of a bunch of them and um we could react to it the this Mar Square Cy one kind of isn't really much to listen to but you could definitely listen to what was it Mountain Dew Oreo and apartments.com all did uh UFO themed and related um ads so let's listen it's me America's sweetheart and I just love having a blast a mountain de Baja Blast having a prob me already blast should we report this I just Twisted on it this never happened why are you here stay to purpose to find a place to rent I know renters is when I see them who is this guy it's the top priority when you move to a new city or Galaxy apartments.com we can help you get into a lovely one bedroom two bedroom I don't want to presume anything I like these guys apartments.com the place to find a place okay so we'll stop there kind of probably doesn't uh transfer as well over audio but we had um Mountain Dew we had Aubrey Plaza uh getting brought up by UFO and saying prob me already we had the Oreo ad which had some like 1950s 1960s Blue Book era people looking at a UFO as it spun we had apartments.com which had Jeff Goldblum talking to aliens about uh renting they need to find a spot to rent which I don't know maybe that's some uh Illuminati Darkness then of course we had the Martin scy one which is like a whole little mini movie um just about um kind of UFOs and stuff and that was for Squarespace so what do you guys think about the the bunch of UFO ads at the Super Bowl are we making are we too excited as UFO nerds is it nothing or is it something worth getting excited about definitely worth getting excited about yeah I I'm excited I I'm really happy that it's getting into the pop culture like that go ahead Shane yeah I think if you understand how commercials work in not only just commercials but like Super Bowl commercials people that don't love football they watch the Super Bowl and these people these producers these Executives they know this they and they understand pop culture right and so if three different companies make Super Bowl commercials and they involve UFOs it was four it was four four Jesus even crazier it just kind of goes to show you that you you know for years the UFO Topic's been like very secluded but they're all on Twitter man all these people they they see how things are going and they spent how much is a super commercial it has to be an insane amount of money it has to be I think it's like five million for 30 seconds Jesus Christ yeah and that's what you call an investment and then when you do an investment into something you want to reach a target audience and so they they thought about it enough to reach towards this community because they think that this community is big enough for that and uh I mean like Keem said I mean I'm excited as well uh while I don't believe a lot of the nonsense in the UFO stuff A lot of people do and that's fair uh but it's it's obviously getting out there enough I think enough people have had paranormal experiences they've come on here and talked about them it's and it's it's being heard at least at the very least it's being heard and these Executives and these produc producers they see that and they like Jesus $5 million for 30 seconds right so it's not a bad thing uh you know they're selling you know apartments or Oreos or whatever but it's still pretty fascinating because you can go back at all the other Super Bowls and maybe someone will do a thing about aliens every once in a while but but four four so that would be uh at least $20 million at minimum right so yeah and one one was like much longer than than 30 seconds Ashton what do you got for us yo what's up guys uh good to be here tonight happy to be here with everybody uh so I think there's a couple ways to look at it uh one of them is of course you could look at through the lens of soft disclosure that people talk about this idea that there's this roll out to get people comfortable with the idea of UFOs or maybe non-human intelligence so you could look at the increasing number of commercials that way for sure you could also look at through the lens which Shane just said which is the idea that it's become more and more mainstream you you know I think even 10 15 years ago you had way less people that would answer the question do you think there's other life on the planet or even other life in anywhere else in the universe than you do now and so now it goes to show that something that is not really on the fringes of society anymore and really starting to make its way to becoming socially acceptable to talk about with people UAP Mike what do you got for us um I don't think it I don't think it was very influential um but yeah it's it shows more people are coming around to it little poptart hey bro I did not hear the question but I uh was trying to do an interview if we could sometime soon because I was one to address my personal issues my beef with trippy red and Rich the kid um I was G to make a video talking about it but I thought if I could do an interview to talk about it um that would be better well okay little pop let's keep it on topic for now though I'll get back to you in a minute on that little popart what do you think about the Super Bowl and all the uh UFO commercials um I think there have been a lot of UFO commercials in the history of the Super Bowl uh I know for sure Pepsi and Bud Light have done a few um I think it's the Super Bowl you're always going to get something alien themed in the Super Bowl because there's always some product trying to uh advertise as if they're out of this world you know so um yeah I think I I don't think it's any sort of you know uh putting things into pop culture I mean we have movies TV shows the spaces podcasts there's there's a new alien thing coming out every other day every week so yeah I don't I don't really look into it like that tuber red any thoughts yeah yeah I think uh anytime you see you know one or two commercials like whatever but there were a lot I mean the three plus there was a couple more like tertiary ones it shows that our culture you know it's it when when topics like this rise up uh in the interest of the people they show up in the art they show up in the entertainment first and uh I agree with Lou though that it's not the first time this has happened anytime a successful UFO or alien movies come out I'm sure like if we go back to when Independence Day you know aired or whatever or premiered you'd have a lot of UFO related things coming out around the cult the Independence Day trailer premiered during the Super Bowl okay well there you go they're called that I guess right um but yeah it's a it's an interesting thing they're always going to Market this stuff to to us but yeah it's to see so many to see the the spread of companies that did it I think it's kind of cool and it definitely shows I mean we are we would be we would be really it would be ignorant to say that there's not momentum growing for the UFO topic right now we're seeing it in the news every day now now so it's definitely uh a symptom of that red uh yeah just uh I think it's exciting uh some of the things that are really humbling though I think for a lot of new people is like you could find uh articles like pretty much every decade saying like UFO disclosure right around the corner I'm sure there's some articles from the 90s when this was popping off again where people were like oh there's all these ads at the Super Bowl so maybe temporary expectations but it is still cool and exciting to see and I think like of all the Super Bowl commercials this was like the most like the the one the biggest running theme right I didn't see like a bunch of um I don't know other kinds of commercials so I think it's worth getting exciting about but not too excited what news do we have on Monday of this week so then on Monday what happened on Monday was basically the soul Foundation released a bunch of their uh videos so just a quick remind you for the room the soul Foundation is this New Foundation created by Gary Nolan and with the help of David grush the quote unquote UFO whistleblower who spoke at Congress and basically what their aim is to is to um help bridge that gap between the scientific community and this the studying of this subject because it's been so opusc now people would a lot of people call this kind of like ttsa 3.0 where you when 2017 roll around you had Tom dong and Chris melon and all these guys they created an organiz ation and it seems like there's always a UFO organization out there and like every few years they like shave off some people or rename and regroup and reform and um yeah so basically they held a conference last November I want to say and they filmed it all but it was kind of very secretive it had this uh like like there you weren't allowed to film there right and I've never seen that at a UFO convention people weren't allowed to film uh there was a rumor and actually Skyfire news got the exclusive a few weeks back back that deep prad had been kicked out because he leaked one of these photos because he didn't realize that like there was a no picture policy so it added this whole kind of Aura of Mystique to it and then finally these videos released and there's just um a bunch of talks you know I'm to be honest some of the people it's like I've heard you say this on a podcast before but I mean I guess it's still cool it was filmed well uh maybe any thoughts on the soul Foundation before we start listening to some of these clips from it people um I thought all the speakers um came across real professional um I think my biggest problem is whoever's running their YouTube doesn't understand social media you don't upload all the videos at once put out one a day give each speaker their their full day um I understand that you know everyone came together and you know had the actual speeches or whatever at the same day but the content itself should have been spread out um just to give more of a limelight on each person um but yeah I I I thought it was a great presentation go ahead Shane yeah uh just real quick I you know quote me and another Super Bowl that had four uh UFO commercials uh it's pretty crazy uh weird times are living in when it comes to the soul Foundation though um I do respect Gary a lot uh because he actually runs his own Twitter un like Ryan graves right Americans for Dave Aerospace there's always this things you know we all told him me especially uh don't go to Mexico dude don't do this don't be with h mosan don't do this and then he still went and did it and then we have fake alien mummy bodies um and they're always going to come across professional I think that's a part of it you know it's a part of how you you're not going to come across nonprofessional you well you know the way we live now and the age we're in uh it's a little odd um I was actually watching Keem uh nerd erotic and pyrocynical podcast um and you were mentioned uh quite a few times in there uh about having a really good [ __ ] detector and I thought that was pretty funny because it's true and uh there's a lot of [ __ ] in this community and uh if you're for this is my thing about the soul Foundation if you're for if you're for disclosure right if you're you know disclosure means you're open you want the truth to be revealed no matter what it is you want to all know what's going on is it ghosts is it aliens is it gnomes is it trolls under a bridge is it vampires Tupac Cabas whatever it is uh you want to be known but yet you host a thing a event where only certain people are invited that's the opposite of disclosure that's what's called a event where only certain people are invited I I the the word for it loses me right now but it's not the same you know if you're going to host these things and do these things that are for disclosure for us knowing these things then why was it so secretive why was deep Brad kicked out for posting an IM an image I mean like really he was like kicked the [ __ ] out and I mean I've known deep for a long time almost was he got a talking to but yeah there was I talk de I talked to deep about it at first deep denied it and then we've come to find out that it was true uh but that's what deep does I have my own issues with deep verad he used to co-host my shows all the time um and whatever I have my own issues with deep to be honest with you uh but if you're going to go for disclosure and full knowledge uh for the masses so we can find out what the [ __ ] is going on then why are you hosting these private things with all these people that are being told they can't do things is not the same thing the government does these people working on these secret programs you're told you can't say anything I think it's fair question I think it's a fair question UAP Mike your thoughts so uh first of all I appreciate the fact that the soul Foundation took time to make sure anybody in the images who didn't want to be in videos or images were taken out because we are talking about a meeting of serious academics who are tied to institutions that could you know be leveraged against them like they have in the past by Phil class who has used people's professions as a reason to scare them away from talking about this topic seriously so I do understand why this took some time uh in the nest I actually linked um their soul Foundation is on Twitter so you can follow their Twitter account up in the nest there and there's also that tweet is a link to all the actual speeches that they gave or posted at the very least so you can follow that up there um I think the Carl Nell speech was incredible I think he's a well polished person and um I think we're going to be hearing from him in the future hopefully and uh I think it was just an impressive some were more impressive than others but yeah Ashton what do you got for us yeah this is a little bit of a repeat if you guys have been in other spaces with me about the topic but I think that for me the disappointing part is a lot of what they talk about the spiritual aspect or you know um it almost kind of goes to this idea of are the these beings interdimensional to me the foundation of disclosure is on the technology and what the technology means if there is you know other beings that are visiting us even if they're extra dimensional whatever you got to explain the science you got to explain the technology and then everything else flows down from there so I think there was a couple presentations that were pretty good that were based on some of that but overall a lot of it is how do we integrate this into our society what does this mean for our society etc etc without dealing with that aspect Lou what' you think thank you me Lou he said of the Soul Foundation releasing its videos um keep up L I don't know man I mean yeah I don't I don't like that it was invite only I don't like that they hid the presentation for months and only include in certain people um I don't like that uh there's a whole bunch of people on the board of that foundation and they're all positioning themselves within the halls of Congress to take advantage of government spending so yeah um I would take everything the soul Foundation says with a grain of salt your thoughts real quick too I'm gonna bring up uplifting tweets he makes the thumbnails for weaponized and for the good trouble show for Matt Ford so upli G bring you up if it gets too crazy we're gonna have to kick you down but we want to get a lot of voices uh on this stuff so bringing you up please don't make me awesome so my thoughts soul my thoughts on Soul foundation and the uh Symposium TW I'll just read this this a definition for something called a limited hangout a limited hangout or partial hangout is a tactic used in media relations perception management politics and information management the tactic originated as a technique in the Espionage trade according to Victor marchetti a former Special Assistant and the deputy director of the CIA a limited hangout is spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the cestine professional when their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public they resort to admitting sometimes even volunteering some of the truth while still managing to withhold key and damaging facts of any case the public however is usually intrigued so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further while used by the CIA and intelligence organizations the tactic has become become popularized in the corporate and political spheres so uh I don't think that's necessarily what happened but I'm saying that like when you start to limit the amount of information you control it so tightly um you know and then you also have people in the organization connected to political and corporate and intelligence fears you got to wonder if some of these tactics are being used in order to you know to disseminate the information as they see fit uplifting uh this week Soul Foundation uh their presentations big story this week your thoughts uh soul videos are [ __ ] incredible I haven't gotten through them yet um everyone should you know respect them but I actually wanted to come up and speak because of UFO Shane and something I just heard I am like [ __ ] flabbergasted that this dude Shane is talking about Ryan Graves and professionalism and how he's coming across how in the [ __ ] can you say something like that and then you start name Dro and I used to have him in my space and share space like Jesus Christ man get a [ __ ] grip Shane get a [ __ ] grip ladies and gentlemen battle mode has been triggered Shane respond yeah let me read the definition of disclosure and by the way I never said Ryan graves in my spaces I said I talked to him in DM so that was a lie uh so I you can go back and play the recording and I think is gone he left yeah he they do that they do that but let's talk about disclosure we're talking about a group of people who are all these professionals and your invite only but let's just read the definition of disclosure because we all love disclosure the action disclosure the action this is from the auor dictionary uh the action of making new or secret information known a fact especially a secret that is made known to the public that is what disclosure to the what to a group of Rich buddies holding backe I don't understand like the idea is ridiculous I'm not saying that I'm saying that you have all these experts and I respect Gary noan I've talked to Gary noan I've sent children to Gary noan that have had adity experiences and I won't disclose who who those people were or whatever it was but anyone who knows my spaces knows that I've done this uh but you know let me just read it one more time disclosure the action of making newer secret information known not to a select group right not to a a group of people and we'll release it months later when we can get views and all these other things it's it gets a little bit ridiculous you know if you know it's like with rth cart saying he knows where this UFO is buried but that comes from John leer uh John leer has said a bunch of crazy stuff I get that he was an awesome pilot and these things and whatever uh but disclosure is the act of making something Unknown Known and it comes down to the fact of uh you know you're making it known to the public not to a group of people that you invite to an invite only rally to gather together to get funding to do something else we all know the government has secrets we all know this stuff is real we don't know if they have alien Secrets by any means but we know that there are Technologies that are are more advanced um I was just personally attacked uh by uplifting tweets and that's okay because I used to be just like him I used to love all this stuff I used to follow it blindly and I would just listen to a podcast and I would go hell yeah man yeah but then I had to look at the facts and I had to follow the facts and the facts have shown me there's a lot of OB uh a lot ucation that happens with this stuff and uh it's it's a little bit ridiculous ulous yeah because go ahe I'm just saying look Ryan Graves never saw a UFO he never saw [ __ ] he has all these Pilots that saw things that told him stuff but we don't have the pilots names we don't know what flight group they were with we know nothing we have we have Brandon fraver we have Alex Dietrich and Alex Dietrich and Brandon fr's accounts of that entire incident was are totally different they're totally different Shane let Shane let's let Mike respond go ahead Mike I know you're itching well I I I was just correcting he said Brandon fraver it's Dave fraver oh my bad my bad I again I don't really it's so again the point here Shane is I don't I don't know what you're upset about you claim facts you've got facts you're listening to facts this is a low information Zone missing lots of facts there's lots of data points right that are kind of hard to tie down and I think that is one of the issues here is the overwhelming amount of data about the topic that kind of makes it hard to refuse I mean if you listen to um what's his name uh the panda help me out here your friend from the thei guy Dr Eric um Eric Davis er er Weinstein news exclusive about yes thank you yeah Eric Weinstein even States you know one of the reasons why he finds this topic very compelling is because there is just a there's two many people he even exaggerated in his interview recently where he's like four because I've talked to four million people right so that's the whole point his exaggeration illustrates there is a ton of data and it is almost impossible to fake the amount of it that there is okay any final thoughts on the soul Foundation well that's kind of our intro thing we'll play a couple of the clips from him uh real quick here's Gary Nolan talking about it you know look I think people sometimes get uh uh disincentivized because of oh Scientific American wrote this what a garbage article I'm sorry Scientific unscientific American you know I'm just I'm embarrassed for Scientific American yeah that they would that they would publish a thing like that I mean God Lov Shan cpatrick I understand the position that he's probably in but that was just a waste of time I mean and just look at uh the position he's put himself in with now he's got Marco Rubio coming out and saying you know that well I'm sorry that wasn't what I remember uh people talking about so I think you know we we get too caught up in the news cycle and and and that's what the sa Foundation is meant to be it's meant to be that averaging effect that Smooths over the bumps uh and jostel of uh the the day-to-day of what goes on on Twitter or whatever we we we can't let our emotions do that and academics is meant to be that emotionless logical place where you go okay well yeah that happened but still here's the data here's the foundational information that we really should be spending our time talking about and real quick I'll just go quickly into uh uh one of the clips that we clipped that really sent uh and one of the big highlights there was David grush spoke right and that was that was I think their most viewed video on YouTube and not everyone wants to hear from G all the time so here's uh here what and his actually it was unfortunate that he was the closing speaker because everyone else's camera and audio was really great but he filmed it in phoned it in zoomed it in whatever you want to say and uh the audio was a little rough but here's him talking the release of information on nonhuman intelligences has the potential to unite Humanity in a shared quest for understanding regardless of the ontological sh no longer bound by the limitations of national borders we would embark on a collective journey of Discovery transcending political distances or differences and fostering a sense of global Unity the realization that we are not alone in this vast Universe could serve as a powerful Catalyst for international cooperation reminding us of our share of Destiny as inhabitants and stewards of the there anything else worth clipping before we open up the discussion again um oh here s like lines from a movie right it was very that one was almost kind of a new world order I would say here's him talking about how we shouldn't rely on the government for disclosure and next steps I mean certainly we don't want to rely on the government for everything am and also some of the provisions in the Intel authorization act that allows the Intel committee defense off funds for special access programs that are not being reported to Congress is a step in the right direction but this is quite frankly why we have the full foundation and you know certainly other 501 p3s like Ryan Graves um Foundation as well is we need to basically create a parallel track of research and you know independent discoveries that aren necessarily dependent on the US government to provide us all the answers because ultimately it's up to the chief executive to disclose regardless of what the disclosure panel may come up with in terms ofure okay we can open discussion there a little bit again so we heard Gary Nolan talk about kind of the need for soul we heard David gush The Whistleblower uh Ashton what are your thoughts sorry I was muted for you guys I just want to speak on you know him saying you know you can't necessarily count on the government for disclosure um that you know the soul Foundation can do the research and bring forth uh disclosure is what he was alluding to um there's been many groups throughout history that have you know done disclosure we're back sorry you know and also it's hard for people to to Define what disclosure disclosure actually is I see Mike uh spamming some emojis let's go to Mike so again the idea that anyone is taking away from this that the soul Foundation is somehow doing disclosure I again they're just they're they're showing a road map how disclosure could work right and how they would advise it works this is just like some sort of like Consulting strategy this is not uh disclosure that these guys are not in charge of it so well you heard what he said right I did listen well they they also made a graph about it like they put a date on it October 1st 2034 yes I know Lou hasn't seen a lot of road maps before so it might be a little foreign to him but that's what a road map looks like that's not like oh this is what the government is doing guys this is what the government said we're gonna do did I say it was what the government was doing wasn't the soul Foundation saying that that's what they were doing that's their plan yeah and that's up in the nest to it's the UFO disclosure timeline presented at the S foundation and that was presented by Carl Nell and um yeah Mike why don't you break it down for us since you know all about it what's what's up with that timeline it's just the timeline for a suggested way to go through the disclosure process the soul Foundation would not be the ones doing this they're just saying hey this is what we think you know as a bunch of really [ __ ] smart people would be the what right way to go about doing this and that's what helped uh shape some of the Schumer rounds men okay some of the people involved in that organization are definitely involved in some of the language that's going into what you might consider disclosure I don't disagree with that but the soul Foundation is not the Arbiter of that so I I just want what what point was he trying to make Mike when he said um we shouldn't necessarily depend on the government for disclosure we should depend on private companies to fund research and development in all sorts of Specialties I I don't think the soul Foundation might be good at networking people to perhaps do that but again I don't think the Sal I think they talked about a stardust um like they were going to try to collect crash retrieve material and facilitate research on that so that's one aspect of this but that's not them shepher in in disclosure there's a lot of different things that are more than just looking at materials well members have already collected material right well what I would ask there and to Mike too is like these like look at the people who are on that panel right I mean you've got David grush he's probably everyone's number one hero in ufology right he's a guy coming out saying I've I've seen it I've seen the classified information you had how he never said that he never said that he never said he saw classified information okay well he testified to Congress that he knows about it and then by definition it would be classified right now we have Hal POF there who's a legendary engineer physicist whatever you want to call him with respect to the dod um and then you've also got people like Colonel Nell as well so we've got somebody who's actually a military member and when you look at that Alles doesn't that scream that they're the ones like these are the people that you would expect to be giving that to us of course it's not like the president's coming out and telling us but these are the people that theoretically would be in the no go ahead Shane yeah I'm sitting here like wondering how can I word this um we're talking about inclusivity um this space has and I know everyone's like oh you talks about numbers whatever where are your Heroes where is Jeremy Corbell where is Hal put off where are where's Stephen GRE right now we not thumbnail maker just cussed you out I can't even I can't even speak I can't even speak without getting interrupted uh listen we're all like no one that exists on this Earth is better than anyone else I don't care if you have 2 three million followers 5 million followers 100 million followers if you're looking for alien disclosure the greatest thing ever and you love it as much as you do you're here in the space right now because you want to know and learn and do better and find out the mysteries of the universe but where are they where are they in these spaces they're not here they have their zealots doing it for them they this is the largest UFO space that's online right now they're all on Twitter but why aren't they in here giving their side of it because they have zealots doing it for them they don't they're not here uplifting tweets should have stayed for sure I definitely want to hear more from him well he's not going to stay keemstar because he wants to get his point across and just leave immediately because he doesn't want to hear anything other than what he thinks is the truth and I've been in this space with Jeremy Corbell one time I've been on here four years's he's getting over like having a b is that what that was Mike we're all let's not make let's not make hypothetical excuses for UFO famous people if you're here for if you're here for disclosure if you're here for the ultimate answer to the ultimate question why aren't you in spaces like this arguing with me and other people trying to give your point across where are the Heroes that you fight for the Heroes that you die for they're not in these spaces you come on X you come on UFO Twitter UFO X and you come in these spaces say just like they do where are where are they I shouldn't have to DM them offer them bcoin like you do with David Ike or [ __ ] Jeremy Corbell he only joins uplifting tweet spaces where are you why AR you here why AR you here talking to the populace it's ridiculous you die on the cross okay uh Mike do you want to rebuttal that uh Jeremy Corbell joined a space of Mind once and was just hanging out listening uh he didn't even follow me he he just joined he just followed me very recently as a matter of fact after he like and then Ashton and uh Lou have you spoke on this yet uh I'll go first I guess real quick so because I think there there's a really good points everybody's making I appreciate it and Jeremy Corell followed me before Mike just saying um but where is Corbell you know and was that actually his thumbnail maker because if so like man we need better Representatives but I think that Shane brings up a good point of like in to some degree there needs to be more Outreach need more connection right when I was going through the MH370 stuff with you guys know I think is real part of the big aspect of that was me being available me jumping in spaces me defending it you know responding to people's comments because it that's the exact thing that I saw that Shane was pointing out that was criticizing is that if you're not there and you're not going to defend your side you're not going to bring up your evidence you're not going to go against these people who make false accusations and narratives about you then you're not going to get anything done but then I'll say the other side so why aren't they doing that why is Hal hudoff not here why is David Rush not here you know in spaces it's because for those guys there's no value in them doing that because you can see the toxicity and how people try to tear them down attack them attack their reputations try to come with these narratives they're not the real people out there they're not real their positions aren't real like like well we just heard here as well from Lou that oh David grush never saw anything that was classified right like all these little things like that they don't want to deal with any of that crap why would you if you know it's true and you've seen the technology out there you wouldn't want to deal with any of that crap either you could just benefit off of it go talk to Rich billionaires and private little uh meetings yeah but Ashton ason David grush has not had Direct eyes on any program or any technology from another world I mean respectfully I I think he might have I don't know for sure I can't say that but but he said he hasn't he said he hasn't yeah he did say he hasn't I just want to defend Jeremy Corbell for a minute because um yes maybe he's not in the spaces maybe he's not getting in the mud and I do think Shane has has a point with his uh with his statement there but Corbell un weaponized has you know clapped back at a lot of the criticism um that has come his way and and I appreciate that there's a lot of people um online in general not just this community that ignore all criticism that ignore um you know uh everything coming at them and uh he did address quite a bit of stuff on that weaponized episode uh two weeks go I completely disagree I don't think he's ever addressed any of uh the things that he claims including the flying pyramids 29 Palms the element well I didn't say all I said I'm just saying dude anytime any real people push back against what that guy's putting out there it's never answered ever Lou is such a spiteful like exgirl just goes on his podcast and he hits lets the bodies hit floor it's so silly but just going on real quick back to this uh Soul Foundation graph here the name of the graph is called Way Forward UAP campaign lines of effort it sounds like they're gonna have a hand in this and this is their recommendations or or what they suggest to do and they even have goals as far as What's On Target what's at risk and decision points and yada yada like I mean it looks like it was way made by Windows 95 uh but I just wanted to just touch on that again it this is not just a graph of like oh here's the operating system made the chart that was a real good one Lou in Lou's defense a lot of these power points look like garbage to be honest yeah talking Gage we're talking about Boomers here I mean they're old people like the convention posters are the L reviews reviews is making a [ __ ] army colonel who was like you know a liaison in the Pentagon and Lou reviews is like this [ __ ] slides are shitty that dude you made fun of you made you've made fun of combat veterans you've made fun of combat veterans Patrick is a veteran Mike you guys love who's a combat veteran that I've made fun of um let me just go real quick uh I remember when Sean catrick was appointed to arrow and you all sucked him off oh my God this dude has all these credentials he's a scientist he's he's yeah know it definitely happened on UFO Twitter you all loved him and the second he came out with something you disagree with he's the enemy you make memes against him Arrow was a good program Shane this is a dude this is a dude this is a dude who has all the critic the nor more than David grush even but you don't like what he has to say so you [ __ ] on him you make names on him all these other things Shane can I ask you a question do you believe katrick dude I don't trust the government at all I don't think I I think that's a core problem here is that no one in here trusts the government I think that we all are ufologists and we all love the UFO topic and none of you trust the government until they retire and they tell you what they know and then we all talk about disinformation Keem we talk about disinformation all the [ __ ] time but then when it happens when it's real you and they tell you what you want to hear you back them up and you die on the cross for them every single time my point is this uh you know if if you care about this subject and you've been you know seeking answers for years and years and years and years and then you have a you know a government official coming out with his whole goal is to get to the bottom of this and he says no there's no evidence right and he does it in the way that kpatrick does I think it's fair for people to have an emotional response and be like dud yeah sus man I I've seen a UFO dude I I've looked at I I watched I watched a cabinet in my back room open up on the day I buried my mom and a toy helicopter levitate 10 feet across the room and six red balls of gelatinous light manifest in front of my face so I know the Paranormal is real I've literally looked right the [ __ ] at it so I don't agree with everything he's saying but I have to follow the like the narrative here like I have to look at it like everyone loved kirpatrick and then he says Uh there's no evidence for it and everyone just hates him you know and and David grush calling him a whistleblower on my honest opinion is ridiculous uh where are the other 40 whistleblowers they're they're nowhere I have asked multiple people to give me a list of these whistleblowers tell me what they're doing uh where are they oh another two years they'll come out and you know what you know with the soul Foundation 2035 what or whatever date they [ __ ] gave will turn into 2040 that date will turn into 2045 20 [ __ ] 50 it'll keep going and they'll keep manifesting money and they'll keep getting government contract money there's a lot of money in this stuff you have to follow the money you have to follow the money also Keem real quick I like to say that minks is very guilty uh but on the side note uh you know this stuff is ridiculous and she's an idiot [ __ ] but uh you know when we come to this stuff you have to follow the money a whistleblower is someone who comes forward with fear in knowledge of something that they know to be wrong knows nothing about Federal contracts Shane knows nothing about Federal whistleblowers he's a [ __ ] just riffing out here you are ridiculous I've never read stories on Julian ass son I've never read stories of read stories on Julian ass and now you got the 411 on like rfps and all that [ __ ] right actual whistleblowers people who put their life in danger to give you the truth that is what a whistleblower is should I read the definition of a [ __ ] whistleblower go be the dictionary for everyone David is he is wait wait hold on what makes Mike more qualified to look at those kind of documents than Shane he's a Believer L now come on come on let's move on to the next story let's move on to the next one also uplifting tweets that he's putting down his child and that he will be back so we will have official Jeremy Corbell thumbnail maker back in the mix something else that happened this week that was kind of random actually it wasn't really random but it brought back an old case uh this is the Vandenberg uh missile disabling um so this happened like in the 60s or 70s it's kind of been in the mix since like the 80s or 90s via Robert Hastings think have this video real quick we'll just listen to the witness Bob Jacobs recount the event and then we'll talk about why this week it was all of a sudden back in the news mainstream what were you filming and where were you I was officer in charge of optical instrumentation at vanderberg Air Force Base from 1963 to 66 our was to photograph that's California so right there on the coast and our job was to photograph with high-speed instrumentation every missile launch from from from vanderberg going down the test range uh they wanted to find out if we we could figure out a place to put a telescope where we could get a side view of the missile so that we could see all three stages of powered flight so I went up to Big Sir California up on an air on a US forest service road on Anderson Peak I installed a a telescopic site up there the Air Force flew in a a huge Coptic telescope from uh the cape was built uh by uh Dr Walter Manning at at the Boston University they put the telescope up there and with that thing with which had a a focal length of 2,500 in we photographed an Atlas missile raising up out of the The Fog cover and flying down range we got all three stages of powered flight and as the dumy Warhead and the and the package flew on down range we were all celebrating the fact that we had seen the thing and accomplished the mission when I got got back to the base with the film the next day I was called into the office of major Florence J mansman and uh there were three people in Gray suits standing in there there was a 16 mm camera and a screen setup major mansman said Lieutenant sit down and watch this and he turned down the lights turned on the camera on the projector and the film came on and I recognized it as the film that we' shot at Big Sir the previous day for the end of of the flight I was looking at Major man saying pretty good stuff H sir and and sudden he said just watch this and as I watched the the Warhead the dummy Warhead the chaff that was put out in front of it as a decoy to to deflect the Russian add a missile missile tracking radar everything was flying along and suddenly in the same direction this stuff was flying at about 8,000 Miles hour videos the object came into the frame shot a a beam of light at the Warhead flew up to the top shot another beam of light at the Warhead flew around the direction it was flying shot another beam of light at the Warhead flew down shoot another b a beam of light at the Warhead and flew out the same way it came in well I don't understand why didn't you see this when you were shooting it well it was uh 6 800 miles away from us oh I got you They confiscated they conf well first of all the major mansman said to me what was that were you guys screwing around up there I said no sir and he said then tell me what that was and I said we got a UFO and he said Lieutenant you are never to speak of this again as far as you're concerned this didn't happen and uh real quick here's a bonus him beefing with Bill NY about this case back in the day I was hoping for the dill NY Time Dr Jacobs he takes pictures he comes back they call him in they show him the pictures I saw I witness he saw and They confiscated yeah I wouldn't be surprised hello go ahead you mind if I speak Mr comedian goad I was there I was there I saw the film with my own eyes I'm not lying why would I I mean University Professor with a PhD and a lot of years of of good respectful research so they the guys from officer may not have seen the UFO but they saw the results of it I saw the damn thing on film with my own eyes so don't call me a liar and you weren't there I was with all due respect not calling you a liar it's just quite a step to say there's a film with remarkable images on it that the CIA confiscated which I saw they did yeah which quite a step from there to say it was definitely spacecraft from another civilization that's the leap that is reluctant to take hey pal listen to me I didn't say it was a spaceship from another civilization I said it was something in the air that we couldn't identify therefore it was an unidentified flying object it was shaped like two saucers put together with a golf ball on top and it fired a beam that we assumed was a plasma Beam at a dummy Warhead and knocked it out of space tell me what happened tell me who did that tell me in 1964 who had that techn Tech ology pal not us and not the Russians and nobody I know of your about it so what's your conclusion doesn't this sound like the mh37 AR what are you saying my conclusion is that something happened that you don't know what it was and I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with another aspect of military testing in the sky that night and it's a muchas we had nothing there was nothing in our inventory could so let's do Let's do let's let's do this okay we could stop it there but real quick too before we open up to the room the reason why that became a story again this week because that happened like 60s or 70s was I think some of these whistleblowers had also tried to go to arrow and um in the wake of like Kirk Patrick's like kind of main debunking article they came forward again um and they've talked about this before how they've also felt like they were ghosted by Arrow along with Ashton and along with um the nimit witnesses I was ghosted by them actually still haven't heard one person really say like I went to arrow and I felt like I was fully uh listened to blah blah blah and then also because apparently Lou Alando that came out this week too he apparently was also one of these people who allegedly right pointed Kirk Patrick to the location of these films and um that was also ignored uh let's go to UAP Mike first Mike is that your understanding of why this old story kind of resurfaced geez you got that wrong first of all uh Lou alzando told Kirk Patrick where the Big Sir film was in the eight workspaces and Kirk Patrick supposedly told one of um I think Hastings intelligence contacts that they went there to the eight tip workspace into the drawer where it was supposed to be and the film was gone um now I don't know again how accurate that is but that is the that's the more it wasn't that uh like Lou alzando talked to Kirk Patrick and told them where it was and then it wasn't there it wasn't that they just like ignored it okay well so what do what do you make of this Mike and what do you make of this story and yeah what are your thoughts obviously I I I think I think he's telling the truth about seeing the big Zer tape to be honest I believe uh Jacobs and I believe mansman um I believe Hastings I think that all of those guys are kind of in in in the right about the Big Surf film and uh Big Sur okay and I sent the invite to Manny I know Manny knows a lot about the debunking of this case there is a skeptical inquire article that says this was some like um Proto us technology being developed the one thing I always found interesting about this case was and this is one of the things I'll say towards Bob lazar's credit although I don't necessarily like believe him like um this guy Bob Jacobs his records were erased for a while and like the military like denied he even worked there and it wasn't until that um Superior he mentioned man's what they did to Nell too right I mean this is the same [ __ ] [ __ ] they did to Hastings they did to aland didn't run a tip yeah to me wasn't in the air force uh NE wasn't part of the army Futures command it's the [ __ ] same [ __ ] and and I don't for the other guys who knows but for sure for Bob Jacobs that's one thing I look at in UFO history where you could Point people to that says like they do erase records and then sometimes if like a superior comes out after the fact and they'll like have to like recant that but it is totally within the Wheelhouse of the establishment to like people's records um all right Ashton yeah um so I love the back and forth between Bill NY and uh I forget the other guy's name um but Bob Jacobs Bob Jacobs thank you very much because honestly I think a lot of that uh correlates to what I experienced when I started disclosing this idea of these MH370 videos being real you have the same people that come back and they Gaslight you right and you go you know literally just tell what your opinion is like he does there and what does Bill n do go he goes oh so you're saying it's aliens that zap the the missile right he's going no I just think it's some crazy thing that we don't really have an explanation for he says you know in his opinion he can't understand how it could be military Technology based on what he knew right um and now in my case actually I did think it could be military technology but that's a difference between 60 years ago or whatever and now right um but I think that if you look at it from just a logical perspective is like what are we shooting down our own missile here like is this for an adversary so I can understand why he would be incredulous as to this idea that you know it couldn't be our technology um and then the other thing I would like to say as well as around the disinformation about how they delete people's stuff right and then you you get that skeptical inquire that's talking about oh well this could be our technology right and they will pretend like somebody was never part of that organization I think that there is absolutely some element in the government that that utilizes those tactics to discredit people and then what that does is it allows the skeptic debunker types to latch on to it and all those people need is one thing to latch on to and then they do that right and even I've seen that with people questioning whether not I even spoke to Arrow right and if if those records don't come back then they're going to say Ash must have been lying about it right and it's just they develop these narratives as opposed to the alternative Narrative of well I either did talk to them uh they filled out the foyer request incorrectly or maybe somebody was impersonating a fed you know a military officer which I doubt so anyway those are my thoughts thank you Ashton and we did get Manny to come up Manny how's it going bro glad you're here what are your thoughts I know you kind of were this week touting the septical inquire article what are your thoughts on the this event and then also Lou Al's claims of pointing Kirk Patrick to this fire location in the atip archives yeah thanks for uh inviting me up to talk on this subject um you know I think if people haven't read the skeptical inquir article they should um it's written by a guy named Kingston George who says that he was actually above Jacobs and msman he was one of the ones running the test that day and there's a lot of good information in there about what they saw why it was classified what happened to the footage afterwards um etc etc and just to kind of paraphrase um George had said that Kingston George said that what they filmed was not a UFO but what they saw was that from the position on the side of the mountain where the telescope was located that it was easy for them to notice which were the decoys warheads and what was the real Warhead and so what it did was it exposed a vulnerability in our weapon system and the reason they classified that was obvious so that it wouldn't get to um you know foreign hands because that's anytime there's a vulnerability in a new weapon they're going to classify it he also said it was that the footage was considered mostly mundane and that it was classified for 12 years but that the footage was destroyed well before the 12 years was up and so that kind of to me makes me wonder if it was destroyed back in the you know 60s or 70s how did a copy get made that alzando allegedly got you know 30 years later um you know it it just kind of doesn't ring true and that kind of Segways right into what I think about Lou you know claiming that he had access to that at a tip well that's rather convenient because he knows that we can't confirm nor deny that so he can pretty much say whatever he wants um it if he did have access to that it obviously wasn't a classified file where he couldn't talk about it and if it was unclassified I've got to ask ask why flare gimal and go fast when you could have Pro big sir and vandenbberg out I mean that was a huge that's been a huge case in euphology for a long time dude he got the other tapes out under this is such a again what a wait a minut can you let me finish let let him finish we'll get to Mike yes I mean I mean if that was unclassified footage he could have taken that out as well I mean there's no reason he couldn't so um yeah Mike if you've got a rebuttal for that I'd love to hear it but can we keep it at like a civil level and not just aggro hey don't worry I'm sure it's coming out soon just like that 20 minute video as well 23 minute video dealing with a bunch of people again Manny is probably not allowed near any class material or schools from that matter is my guess but uh going forward Mike let's stick that BS right up your ass yeah Mike let's keep it come on you already know that's fake all right all right anyways not all the idea the idea that um these the that he could get the big tape out versus what he did get out which again wasn't leaked he filed all the correct paperwork to get that [ __ ] F all the way out and he thought it was released under like again some auspicious like uh civilian program to avoid like collisions so even the fact that he like got it out well the AF the afosi investigation disagrees with you but go ahead what what the again I don't know what we're talking about here with afosi tape I don't know what investigation we're talking about other than the fact fact that the leaks of the footage that you were just talking there are no leaks of any footage dude that there there are no leaks he literally filled all that information out and he was cleared by an investigation by the Department of Defense for having any wrongdoing and anything being leaked because it was some paperwork that someone didn't file on their end no that's not at all what happened Mike that's not at all happened go ahead all right prove it show me the report then then why is not under arrest why is he not arrested for leaking classified material or taking something IL because it was unclassified dude sorry it wasn't it wasn't classified it wasn't classified video wait is the video out there or not I'm so confused is it in the public he's talking about the gimbal he's talking about gimbal G fast and Tic Tac one of those was on a public server and the other two videos were not classified videos point is they were taken from the Pentagon through legal means they were not leaked through illegal means they've had they were improperly released so they disagree with you too also Christopher melon has said himself that they bent the rules to get those videos out he has said that himself bent the rules is not leaking the tapes I don't know what that means exactly again maybe they auspicious I did State I think they did get the tapes out under some questionable means I'm not going to say that but the fact that you're saying they straight up leaked it is not true like it was again another attemp to make him look like a leaker where he wasn't well here's I think here's the bigger issue is that those three videos are really the the Lynch pin to sell this entire UFO narrative and I think the best thing to do would be to get the full videos the full cockpit recordings and all of the Telemetry from gimbal go fast and Tic Tac that way we don't have to spend hours going back and forth oh you want that WRA of your Christmas tree I want Ashton to do that I want Ash MH370 mode on the Gimbal and Go videos find the pilot f everything that was Happ so no real quick question on that though guys because it's actually relevant to that first of all I just want to say though with respect to the Big Surf footage I don't believe that they destroyed that footage no chance but what paperwork does one fill out to disseminate classified videos to the public like is that even a thing cuz that doesn't feel like that's a thing none of the videos we were talking about were classified actually they all unclassified but considered sensitive and there is a a form in fact I've posted it before that L Alando um filed to have those videos released um but it's not to the public it was for US government industry partners for the purposes of creating a database is exactly why he he filed them it's on the document but yes Ashton to your to your question there is an official document and this is where I think Lou does get credit Lando he did uh sign those out you can look at the document it's available online uh and that's personally why I think he might have been uh he would have known about other videos perhaps that were happening during his time the but the biggest issue man is that none of these videos add Clarity to the discussion they only add more confusion conjecture and [ __ ] these videos are why we're talking about it what are you talking about Jesus Christ those both those points I think were true both those points were valid dude no because the videos are inconclusive they don't show any of the five observables none of the things that that they came out and said that they were going to do have they done I don't understand like it's been it's been what's 2017 it's been five years now like these we should have the full versions of these videos and we should be able to determine once and for all if they're actually out of this world which I don't think they are I'm bringing up Christian who's putting some interesting things in the comments about the declassification of these videos Lou crew Christian do you want to speak on what you know about this situation Jesus Christ [ __ ] Christian hold on let's let UFO Shan go and then we'll get to Christian sorry you're I mean I'm just saying like I'm the only person in here like actually raising their [ __ ] hand uh but you know uh we uh we were talking about Jacobs right and his experience with a warhead being launched and Laser shooting at it and him talking to B N that's where it's all started right right I mean am I wrong okay she's lying down uh I don't man I don't disbelieve Jacobs I really don't I think that we've all had weird experiences I think we've all had odd things have happened to us I don't disbelieve Jacobs this whole conversation is taking a weird tilt into something that I really don't have an opinion on but I'm trying to stick to the to the story that we're talking about um you know he's like hey pal you know like you know it was 19 [ __ ] 64 this is what happened this is what I saw and then someone says that's not what you saw not what you saw you know if you believe in uos you believe in ufology or you believe in just the Paranormal then you know that weird things happen to people all the time that's what the Paranormal means it means outside the normal that's the definition for the Paranormal it means literally and by definition things that that exist outside the known normal that's what it means so I don't disbelieve Jacobs at all uh I really think he was being very honest and uh I don't know what's going on to be honest with you we can all sit here and argue Louis zando or Christopher meln or go fast and by the way if I listen to one more [ __ ] show that's like oh look at look at on the ASA blah blah blah [ __ ] because you've all done it you've all you all listen to all the same shows I do it gets annoying it gets old where's the full video I think Lou had that brought up very well where's the full video but when it comes to Jacobs which is what which is all started with I feel like you've all Fallen like off on I don't think that dude's lying I I just I don't have any proof of it or whatever but I don't think he's lying and IID like to also say that um I've joined a lot of spaces in the last year of me being here and the Skyfire news spaces they offer more to people of different opinions who vocalize those things and uh you join anyone else's publicized spaces they're going to attack you for not believing what they believe um healthy discussion is healthy discussion this question that we're asking each other it's the biggest [ __ ] question known to man is it aliens is it Fifth dimensional beings is it Rock heed Maron we don't know I don't know I mean if you if someone tells you they do know they're full of [ __ ] but going back to the original question was about Jacobs and the original topic was about Jacobs when I listen to your recordings Panda I believe him I believe every word that dude said I uh that dude was like hey pal you didn't see it I saw it yeah and I've heard I have heard time and time again people who have been abducted people who had paranormal experiences people who had all this crazy [ __ ] happen to them in my spaces and I I I don't censor people like uh Melo demon or these other people who don't agree with people and so they sensor them I don't do that I listen to everybody all right Shane well let's get over to Christian that was a good spech Panda yeah I feel it Christian what are your thoughts on the situation then Manny and then we'll move on to the next I I believe I just want to comment I I had to on the what you guys were talking about before because it's honestly in this UFO thing that we're in interested in we got a big problem which is classification guide right so if a whistleblower comes forward saying hey this is going on but then the government over classifies everything like they did with those three videos literally those three videos they bent the rules and then the UAP classification guide it's like ridiculous exempt from disclosure in its entirety I put it on the comments over there you know you ask for an foia you can't get anything so we're just going to keep arguing about this [ __ ] back and forth and it kind of sucks because if Lou and you know what I'll give you something Shady that Lou did do the assap and atip a tip thing there there's something there like I don't know what it is but still the bigger picture of what their claims are to me are very important and I think there's something going on the government's acting very shady Kurt Patrick super shady and I don't I don't know what to do because they won't let me see the [ __ ] data and we're gonna keep fighting back and forth however let's take Green Street for example which I had a conversation with on a space and he was super cool I asked him a few questions about Skinwalker Ranch because he say he debunked it luckily at least I can watch that show on TV and see something that I think is interesting and I started putting video clips oh wait real quick are you a secret brand ambassador point he blocked me just for for putting a couple of clips from season 4 that I that he didn't watch he blocked me man and I thought we were having a good conversation a good debate blocked me just for putting that so it's kep it in the bunkers like that that I kind of have a problem with because I was looking for a debate and I got BL showing data like thank you Christian are you a secret brand ambassador for Skinwalker Ranch I love Skinwalker Ranch bro but I'm not a secret Ambassador but I think that at least I can watch this [ __ ] not like be like oh it's classified you know Al so honestly to me I I think it's the best paranormal show or the investigation there is that's just me though awesome guess not I don't know why on these weekly shows we try to you know keep it short keep it snappy don't repeat yourself no big long speeches and or whatnot the morning is fine I want you everyone to get in uh make a point real quick get out so we can listen to a rebuttal and you know the conversation can flow all right go ahead red the passion is real where's yeah thank you Manny you want to close out on this and then we're gonna move on to our next story yeah thanks one more thing I just wanted to bring up about the big sir and L thing is the timing of it um Lou's been on countless podcasts he's been on talk shows and whatever and this is the first now that we're hearing about his alleged confirmation of Big Sir which seems a little suspect I would be willing to put $100 down Mike maybe he'll take me up on this I put $100 down that there's probably a whole chapter about that in his new upcoming book and that's probably why he's coming out now and saying that um it's not just a coincidence wait your elzando did not say anything about big sir he did that's what you even just said he that he talked about he knew where the footage was he you guys are the news agency this is Hastings talking about one of his contacts says that they talk to elzando right and he screamed [ __ ] when uh Kirk Patrick could not find the tape so he has spoken about it to people about big sir but elzando has not no somebody is relaying some sort of private conversation they had with elzando like where elando said that right I don't know he's not confirmed it okay well thank you Mike I think you should take him up on that bet what do you think Mike is Big Sir G to be in the book uh well I don't know man all I care about it yeah I mean it could be it's a reasonable guess uh I would think all thing I care about is in that book is if he talks about that he touched a ship or not touched a ship was uh saw a ship up close in a facility because that's what I heard he said to other people hey leave those ships alone okay go ahead so now we're moving on to our next story and uh this one's kind of a little bit of a different vibe but I do think it's worth covering because we see this kind of thing happen in our community all the time so Chris Leto is taking a break from YouTube and euphology so this uh Chris Leto has been having some very kind of interesting um concerning streams lately and so this video went out on his YouTube channel and it's interesting it wasn't even him speaking it was his uh not even his wife either it was his like research assistant so I'll just play that real quick and then we kind of discuss some good like mental health practices in this field many hello I'm vilda and you're probably wondering why it's my voice you're listening to now it's not that important but I am here to report an official statement from Chris's wife and family and it is as follows I want to express my heartfelt gratitude for the overwhelming love and support we received from the lethal files Community Chris has made the difficult decision to take a break from his YouTube channel to prioritize his health and wellbeing as well as to spend quality time with our family our Bond as a family has always been strong and we United in supporting Chris during this time the outpouring of concern personal stories and offers of assistance have been truly touching and seres as a testament to the incredible community files your kindness and understanding is the world to us and we look forward to Chris's return when he's ready thank you for being part of our journey with that said I'm vilda and you may have seen a clip of me earlier when Chris visited hastan so this was me we know how Loyal Chris is to his follow fans and the incredible work he puts into his channel and all the messages of support and love gu you will soon see him back on screen in the meantime we have now mobilized a massive Network that will Le Chris and still keep the channel alive we have decided that Chris needs to rest and he has finally agreed to this however needs to rest we had to promise that we would cover the historic UFO search that it will take place in Norway and we're working on how to Sol this in a satisfactory way none of us can reach or Chris us up to the me but we will try to the best of our ability to keep both Chris and his loyal until then keep sending your love to Chris's family all right we'll stop it there that's kind of G yeah uh this is creeping me out I feel like I'm in a movie and like you know the evildoers went in and stole Chris's brain or drugged him or did something reprogrammed him and then the wife is like a CIA agent that's coming to the foreground to say everything's fine send Chris Love Like bro what is this like I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone listening to that it was very off color I thought it was very strange but that could come down to poor editing and you know what I mean a fast uh the need to get it out fast to make a statement quick I will be honest it was kind of it was kind of creepy it was kind of concerning uh yeah I felt very uncomfortable he didn't like she was like he finally agreed I'm kind of nervous we're GNA see like a video of like if he gets his phone or something but I think it's for the best that he takes a break because he was kind of uh going off on some first that's the first time I heard the wife make that statement I'm more concerned now than I was before yeah same I agree with that for sure real real quick who else in here got sent a an invoice by Chris L for $23,000 go ahead raise your hand go ahead none of you can I did I sent it to L review uh luse has the full transcript of this [ __ ] who doing shrooms every day who's been uh he he's been on hinge for a while uh I really don't have any sympathy for him um I'm glad that he's getting help but he sent me an invoice for $23,000 uh by the way that's 23 comma z00 $23,000 from me and my friends to build his sky360 system uh and to fly him over here from Puerto Rico so I have no sympathy for this guy no no no Mike you I want to chime in but you weren't sent an invoice from this guy I used to be a True Believer in my True Believer times and I actually told Lou this I said hey man it's very cringe because I because he had he has my full transcript and uh this guy tried to charge me $23,000 yeah we got it Shane you said it like four times which I'm just saying it it it's it's just it's it's just you know 23 [ __ ] thousand to come and build his [ __ ] for him seven times come on let me ask you a question is this guy known as a scammer I don't really know anything about this guy other than you know the first time I found out about him is when he was having the mental breakdown Lou reviews too Lou reviews has interviewed him multiple times over the course of Chris Leto's Arc why don't why don't you speak on this Lou go ahead go ahead L has my transcript here somebody um I do have uh Shane's transcript and yes it was an invoice uh but I I have also gotten two sides of that story but I know that's not what the question's about so maybe one day we'll get into that um feels like he's never prepared CH came onto this scene as an F-16 former F-16 retired fighter pilot who was intrigued just by all of us by the 2017 New York Times article um he had some debates with MC West which were really great I thought those were insanely Progressive conversations and then uh with the help of his friends launched a society with a crypto coin attached to it and that's kind of when things started getting a little weird with Chris Le Lou you in the shower are you cooking a steak what is that what is that I am dude I'm kicking my girl some burgers right now okay go ahead go ahead we're some dinner sorry I apologize um but uh but yeah uh um he then Lu should chill off only or seven months ago took a really weird turn in the things that he was covering and that he was doing on his channel and being the as well as I know him which is not well but I've interacted with him quite a bit um you know I reached out to him I was like dude I think you're looking at some bad information I think it's getting in your head I think it's [ __ ] with you I think you're listening to the wrong people and you know then all of a sudden he started taking mushrooms and snapping his finger like Thanos and saying that you know uh eclipses are coming you know so it was like it was a train W but I'm happy that his family I'm to a support system around him that people number one reached out to which is amazing but the second thing is you know that they're there and they are like no more you can't do this [ __ ] anymore because you've gone so deep down the rabbit hole and that's why I'm so goddamn aggressive or not aggressive but passionate about the [ __ ] that I say and do like this is why I think it's so dangerous to spread conspiracy theories because you have a former fighter pilot getting getting dragged to a point where he's [ __ ] lost his mind that's what this topic has done to a really smart professional person and that's why we need to be careful when we just say things like you know Dave grush saw all these programs and he worked on them no he didn't it's a trust me bro story just like the Big Sir story just like the three videos that were relased everything comes with the caveat of bro it's real and Chris ate that cookie NE beard full you know Hook Line and Sinker and he's now [ __ ] cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs so that's why I always tell people tread carefully and just be careful these spaces and in this conversation because you can end up just like Chris copy copy we got it Ashton go fire yeah so I've been on Chris Leto show twice and in neither Point did I ever have any um experien any kind of issue with him in terms of his mental wealth wellbeing mental state he was 100% acute the entire time 100% professional the entire time I also want to disclose a fact right now is that my biological mother uh was diagnosed with bipolar uh syndrome and so this is why I look at mental health through a very specific lens because I've seen it in my own uh life and I have seen what it looks like and the thing with Chris Leto is that you have to separate out this idea that somebody has mental problems with first of all like drug use and stuff like that so in this case if somebody's doing mushrooms every day it's not necessarily a mental health issue it's an issue of you have to get to what they call a baseline in Psychology where you remove all those external factors first right and some of the stuff that I have an issue with with like Lou reviews saying just now is this idea that like if you start to think about stuff too much you're going to fall down this Rabbit Hole go crazy like that's nonsense that's not how it works whatsoever um you know that's literally what just happened in front of us real time if somebody's doing drugs you have to listen to what I'm saying is you have to get back to a baseline level and then you can start to understand if there's a mental health issue right and when you start to like just classify everyone with this respect that anyone who doesn't believe what you believe who doesn't believe what the mainstream TV tells you or what mainstream science tells you has some type of mental issue like that becomes a big problem right because now you're setting up a framework for nothing can be believed no matter what so well I'm just glad that you're not his brother family member husband con about obviously you were concerned about him as well when you were telling him earlier about what kind of people he shouldn't be talking to as you just admitted to as well right doesn't seem like concern to me it seems like more like your fragile ego was in in had some threat to it that you had to make sure wasn't going to be uh attacked right and that's the thing about people thats is that you got me that's that's what it was you're such an [ __ ] man you are such an [ __ ] keep going bud um so anyway at the end of the day we want to be very careful about telling people that they have like mental issues that they have to get figured out or whatever we don't know what's going on with Chris and his life and if he's got stuff that he's doing drug use or whatever he needs to get clean and do that kind of thing then so be it right let's not attack the guy and I had people attacking me as well related to it going oh Ashton's going to be like Chris letto and stuff like that's aboring like that is just like the worst scum type Behavior people like John Greenwell are even doing it like that's absolutely disgusting anyone who does that definitely should be apologizing because there's no excuse for it whatsoever dude dude Ashton real quick um you know I love you man he and know and Keem said five times now $23,000 that's a different thing money no no it's not though because that was the flight and me meeting him these things were $23,000 that's a lot that's a lot of money I understand what you're saying but I think you should get over that dude like you you have noes to do TV shows and go to UFO cons like these people charge a lot of money I don't give a [ __ ] what they charge L they wna they want to go for disclosure dude we're trying to figure yeah and real quick too I think it's worth discussing this thing because uh we do see this kind of happen a lot of the time in this community and I personally blame the government for covering this stuff up and treating people who do genuinely see things as crazy it Fosters this environment this gray area information Zone where like it's like wild wild west of like what to believe what not to believe and I would even agree with Lou to a degree that like some of the rabbit holes he was going down because of this community can lead to like things like this and that's why I think it's important recover because you think the people are falling out of the sky from one of the MH flights are like time traveling dead bodies you are one of those people for once I agree with m all right well there you go I'm happy to have to be the Catalyst if you guys agreeing uh investigate Earth how's it going not on mute my bad how's it man so yeah I've been listening to this for a while so so we have a podcast where we talk about all kinds of stuff conspiracy corruption done this [ __ ] for six years and as I kind of listen through some of this stuff and I and by the way I've heard of Skyfire I've heard of red panda obviously Ashton we've had on our podcast I think we were the first podcast had Ashton on about m370 but man does like does no incorrect I was the first podcast but keep going who all right keep going sorry about that anyways go ahead um so but the point is here is like we've covered conspiracy and corruption with with a lot of people over six years do you guys not just stop and think for a minute how literally toxic the UFO Community has become and do you think that there are not people in this community that are intentionally making this topic toxic I mean come on guys it is like especially revolutionary thoughts there oh no I mean it's it's not it's not revolutionary thoughts we've been in this [ __ ] for six years it's not revolutionary thoughts we've talked about everything in six years we're one of the biggest podcasts on Spotify I'm just saying how do you guys not see the oh no I totally bro we you're talking to the preachers of the choir for that exact narrative that there are people in this community it's [ __ ] hopeless though I I feel like it's hopeless the UFO Community it's a Own Worst Enemy what you guys were talking about rabbit holes it's true a rabbit hole can drive you nuts like I I I know the phenomenon is real hold on Christian before we I don't want to go back directly into the into the rabbit holes I do want to I do want to hang on to what investigating said which is uh the toxicity part of it I don't know if the rabbit holes lead to the toxicity I am curious as to what uh um investigating uh Earth podcast I can't wait to check that out by the way and what's your take on it what do you see as the main cause of that and uh what is the source of the toxicity all right let me tell you so here here here's our thoughts on this so on our podcast over six years we've had people that are both government employees exgo employees so on and so forth and there was one in particular government employee and and this does not have necessarily to do with the UFO Community but we're talking about someone in the um home security right and so he had come on our podcast and I told him I said look dude you not got to say you are you don't have to say [ __ ] about it but an hour before he came on our podcast this guy was legit 100% um we were talking about Co in particular and very touchy top uh subject but he said you know he said when Co came out he said one of my main things as an as an Asia and homeless security and and I was trained you know overseas and all this stuff um when I saw Co come out he said I knew it was like they ripped out a page of the Scot Playbook which I was trained in for nine years and so when we talked about that and he started talking about like how they influenced social media how they influenced certain accounts how they paid and and infiltrated um certain organizations when I'm starting to see what's going on in the UFO community and especially if you talk to someone like that when it comes to co you have to look at how they how they manipulated the co pandemic I think that I mean not everyone's going to believe that but what I'm saying is the same Playbook they use for the scop of covid and the pandemic and the lockdowns I think they're really starting to do with the UFO Community now whether that is because of their Advanced Tech which is somewhat of Ashen point or if it's the other which there are actual UFO craft that reverse inurance or at the very least maybe we don't know [ __ ] about UFOs but the very but at the very least yeah it could be but have you guys just not seen like in my opinion I mean six years in this space um I just think the past six months especially when the [ __ ] really started getting pretty popular pretty um you know it it was on mainstream media that's when the Divide um has started six months ago well I mean Ken klippenstein was high five Lou reviews Panda and Tupa when they like [ __ ] dragged grush through the mud over you know his PTSD I remember that no dragged them over that you guys look how funny this is investigators I totally agree I my I look at it starting in like 2018 when a certain counter Intel dude came on the scene and was like whipping up people to attack people that's for me when I look at the Modern and even John Greenwald will say who's been at this game since like the 90s that like there's a very clear post 20107 energy within this community and that was brought in by literal like counter Intel people um let's get over to Art LaVine and then UFO Shane art I'm glad to have you up we are trying to keep it streamlined though so we're gonna give everyone like one two minutes how's it going sure uh yeah it's interesting discussion I'm glad to have people on both sides I would just make a few points for consideration uh in one is I did write I I actually am a journalist on Mental Health I have a book called Mental Health incor Incorporated how corruption lacks oversight and failed reforms endanger our most vulnerable citizens and I've done a lot of research about good and bad treatments in the field in terms of the UFO Community and Mental Health I do not think that believing unusual beliefs means you're crazy I do think there's a small subset of people who have preexisting mental health conditions who can be guys drawn into a rabbit hole of deep conspiracy thinking that can further unhinge them and in my first article for Washington spectator called uh spaceship of fools which was essentially skeptical but we was looking at the overview of the developments there were you know people who actually were previously mentally unstable or on the verge of who then got so wrapped up in the world of UFO conspiracy thinking that they ended up killing family members and then of course there's the toxicity and rage and harassment and stalking of Skeptics and scientists that was you know like the person who was hanging outside Kirk Patrick's home and bothering his wife and they had to call the FBI and get the guy arrested that person undoubtedly believe the in UFO influ and told him that Kirk Patrick is at the center of the UFO cover up and so that can be a critique but for certain subset of people who are mentally unhinged in various ways it can tip them over so it's a kind of you know it's an interaction the second thing is uh I think it for people in these fields I've posted Carl Sagan's thing from the website open culture on on this uh comment called Carl Sagan's baloney detection man San like like that I'm an idiot I'm sorry I I forgot how to I forgot how to pronounce his name so that is a reason to discredit my 40 Years of Journalism and prizewinning okay so um what happened is I just suggest it's worth reading his commentary on how to assess evidence you know it canot be independently verified don't just uh don't just accept claims based on the authority of the person saying it and so on so anyway those are my basic points and keep up the excellent discussion so that's thank you art great we'll move over to UFO Shane and then UF Mike and then we'll move on to our next story yeah uh thank you panda um listen this this topic is very important to me uh because it very personal to me very very very personal to me uh Lou riew says he's are two sides of uh this chriso thing well you know what Lou get those people up here whoever you're talking about has the other side bring them up here man host of space and bring me up there and let me talk to them and I will put their dick in the dirt I was a [ __ ] True Believer dude I was a true [ __ ] believer man I wanted to go to Skinwalker Ranch I want to see all these [ __ ] magical [ __ ] things and then I talk to everyone who worked at the [ __ ] Ranch and it was all [ __ ] as you well know Lou all [ __ ] okay all [ __ ] these are the facts okay you guys can all talk about whatever you want to talk about I'm have to troll I'm a regular dude who works a regular [ __ ] job I don't have 23 [ __ ] thousand goddamn dollars to give anyone for [ __ ] anything for nothing it's ridiculous you know I'm not rich I used to be I'm not now how dare you have the audacity to talk about disclosure and how the government's going to do all these things and now you're having these mental breakdowns because you took too many shrooms or whatever I have no sympathy for any of your [ __ ] anyone's this is the truth of the matter here I'm going trigger these guys okay like honestly bring them up here whoever it is that has his other side of it I will talk to them personally I'm beinged no you're not got keep it we got to keep it in shut off being censor it's okay so again I hear a lot of people beating this drum about UFO zealots and um you know they're being in danger and all this other stuff coming from people like Stephen Green Street and since art who you were cited in his recent video as an example of one of these zealots might we add so Skyfire news bringing you all the views right here we have one of these zealots live in house for saying Kirk Patrick was part of the cover up yeah real real zealotry there anyways in the nest you'll notice a tweet from Stephen Green Street um that states um this is from uh October of 2017 he said it's been revealed that without doubt Hillary and the Obama Administration committed treason and then he says in all caps lock them all up so I'm curious Stephen Green Street being a person who's screaming out onto the internet that an entire White House Administration should be locked up and again I'm not into the I'm not saying I agree or disagree here isn't that someone who's really encouraging zealotry could you say maybe even Stephen Green Street was helping form the basis whatever happened at the January 6 Capital like I just confused I'm just confused where this comes from where you guys feel like UFO people are so like rid T of examples like I put one up there of John Greenwall well okay Mike what do you think about Swan do you think Swan is a good and I'm a UFO believer Swan is uh yeah Swan said I had diabetes and that wasn't very nice and I don't you can you at least admit there's there's elements like sonan within this community that do not do us any favors El that's what I'm saying you I [ __ ] like if you want to talk about organizations that are evil like I mean like the Catholic church has crazy people in it too and they do a lot of good like I'm not saying you know there's bad people everywhere and crazy people everywhere but to say UFO people are somehow um you know capable of committing more acts of violence than anyone any other community I think is um I think it's a straw man Point all right now moving on to the next story of the week and I guess we won't even play the clip because we have Ashton here here we go pretty big week in euphology Ashton Forbes announced that he is planning to retire from the 370 investigation on the 10 year anniversary about what a month away a few weeks away and then he also disclosed to the public that he was in talks to go on Joe Rogan and then that kind of fell through but I personally think it's still G to happen I believe in me magic uh Ashton man of the hour do you want to speak on your retirement on Rogan uh everything how how are you feeling what's next yeah thank you red Pand it's a real uh serious situation you know it's I'm not I haven't been an award-winning journalist and I wasn't an extra on The Mentalist um I I didn't start j6 but I have been in touch with um you know Jake Chanley and I've done spaces with him so you know what maybe I'm a little bit guilty of j6 too who knows uh but no did be serious for a second the I did get a DM from Joe Rogan all of a sudden I woke up one morning and I go look at my DMs while I'm uh in the bathroom and all of a sudden I see Joe Rogan and of course like anybody else I would think I'm looking at a fake account right like there's no way Joe Rogan's reached out to me right and I read the message and it's like hey man I saw your videos I I'm curious about talking to you about the Malaysian flight and I'm like holy [ __ ] like Joe Rogan reach out to me right wants talk to me so of course I'm like yeah sure Joe whenever you want to talk to me here's my phone number whatever and uh I even get a thing from his booking agent we have a date set up I sent them my information and then like the next day I get a thing back from him saying oh no I've been looking around on read it of course readit every single time and oh it looks like this has been debunked or it's might I'm afraid this might be a hoax so I'm going to have to put a pause on this blah blah blah right so you would think that that would make you feel bad but it didn't really really what it made me realize is that like as you guys have seen you know in this space in the spaces we had the other night as well is that the idea of the MH370 videos being real it's got serious mental like damage it can do to people like to even Lou review's Point earlier when he when we were talking about the discussion of Chris Leto imagine the people that think that all this stuff is fake right what kind of damage it'll do to them to realize there is technology out there whether it's alien technology or our technology whatever it doesn't matter right oh you mean 98% of the population yeah exactly 98% of the population right like if 98% of the population thinks that everything they see on TV is real and the government hasn't been lying to them and they figure out that not only they been lying to them but they've been hiding technology that could changed the whole world that the United States government lied about a plane going missing that they stole got everyone to believe that crash in the South Indian Ocean people are going to freak the hell out right and this is the part where like I've started to realize that if I had gone on Joe Rogan as well at this point half the people are going to think that I'm crazy some of them are going to hate me they're going to viscerally be angry at me right and then there will be some people that we wake up as well but it's not going to move the needle and this is the part where I realized like the best thing to do for this investigation is to step away for it for a while I don't know for how long months maybe years not really sure but to let the investigation let the information just sit out there because it's got to a polarized degree now where it's not even about the information and the evidence it's about what Ashton says and the type of person Ashton is right and so I'd rather have the information get out there because in my mind whether or not you agree with me or not I I don't really care um there there is science out there and it's going to come out what's going to happen is the science is going to start to catch up and the people that are the detractors and the debunkers are going to slowly start to realize this science is already out there and I'm just positioning myself in a place where I've said that it's real and I've been adamant about it and that you guys will find out when that happens then I don't want people to come to me and say oh well you were just guessing or whatever back then in 2014 can I guys guys guys I'd like to I'd like to open sorry Mike uh I'd like to open up uh and and follow just right behind Ashton with a couple things the first thing is we have Chris here uh if we could get Chris on stage uh the second thing is uh as soon as Ashton came out with this statement a lot of people said that he was lying Joe Rogan never invited him on I seen the DMs I reached out to Ash Ashton for him he showed me they are real Joe Rogan actually did invite him on and then the second statement I'd like to make is who cares if Ashton's wrong who cares if he's completely wrong I want to see the debate happen I want to see that Joe Rogan podcast I I want to see Joe question Ashton on a bunch of [ __ ] I want to see it you know it's like just because you think someone's wrong doesn't mean you you don't want to hear from them at all no you want to hear their arguments to see if they can convince you that that they're right like that's the whole point of it so um that's all I want to say go ahead Mike okay so uh I definitely you know would love to see Ashton go on Joe Rogan and get conclusively proven wrong I would um you know that's and you know Ashton I'm not saying you shouldn't go on Joe Rogan you know that's that if he wants to go on there and air it out you know God bless um the second thing I want to say is uh as far as Lou reviews giving numbers if he says like 98% I I would direct your attention to the nest and notice that this man tried to C calculate the California Lottery and he deleted this because it was so [ __ ] embarrassing he tried to calculate that the Flor that the California Lottery was going to pay out $25 ,000 I think it was the Powerball 25,000 to each person in the state and someone had to correct his math and it was actually $25 and he was so [ __ ] embarrassed he had to take it down and I [ __ ] screen capped the [ __ ] out of that dude you suck don't ever correct people's math ever Mike what are your most prized screen caps of people the ones that make me laugh like that one thank uh Lou do Lou do you want to respond since you were mentioned uh yeah I did that I yeah I did that I'm so embarrassed everything my life is useless now thanks like who [ __ ] cares dude who cares all right uh we're gonna we're gonna go to investigation podcast go ahead investigation podcast investigate Earth hey what's up all right so to ashen's point and and and I also talked to Ashton about jogan listen we're talking about MH370 right Ashton's got a lot of [ __ ] both sides right he he's had a big following based on what his evidence has portrayed and what his evidence has showed we also have to understand that like our technology and what the United States potentially has is potentially even far greater than what ashon is even describing here um as far as MH370 disappearance I mean if you look at NASA's Advanced electric propulsion system which is aeps NASA has been working on aaps which is the most powerful electric propulsion Thruster in production and will be critical in future exploration missions you look at the M Drive the M drive or electromagnetic Drive is a controversial but potentially revolutionary propuls system that uses electromagnetic radiation to generate thrust while the technology is still in early stages in development but a lot of researchers believe that this could lead to a faster more efficient space travel we we talking about solar uh Sals we're talking about Fusion propulsion um we're talking about all of these things but have you guys never thought about when someone is very close over to Target that's when they're going to attack you um to the UMP degree thank you thank you for wrapping it up tot that's that's a good point and that's a great point to some the room you know there was that Infamous space where Think Tank said they wanted to remove Ashton from The Narrative that actually in UAP Mike space I know UAP Mike you talked to uh you were mentioned on the Julian Dory podcast that Ashton did and I believe you talked to Danny Jones and Julian Dory about Ashton so one of the things Ashton said was kind of this social media campaign against him and as you being in that space what how do are you are you patting yourself on the back tonight that he did did not get on Rogan I literally just said if he goes on Rogan great because he'll get probably shot down so well what did what did you say about Ashton when you talked to Julian Dory and Danny Jones Sky News exclusive I don't think I said anything about Ashton I think I said the L alzando scop dumb [ __ ] isn't true okay um hey real quick um I I'd love to tag team Chris into this because I have to go um but just real quick Ashton where do the videos come from the videos come from YouTube uh We've dated them back on the uh way back machine to just a few weeks after the what's the name of the account reeside andan which means king killer okay what other videos are on that account there's some other random ufology videos that are look to be fake to me right so why is this one real because this one actually has evidence and it's corroborated by like a satellite coordinates that indicate the real location of the plane that was published a week before the raw data for those coordinates was even available to the public just I don't think so okay so there you go guys he got he got her videos from an Anon account so have fun with that enjoy the conspiracy theory rabbit holes I'm sure Chris could come in here and tag was Anon account right and it's also it's also wonderful that uh you know I'm sure these foil requests will come in your favor as well it's just real convenient that you're retiring from the case a good can I just address that real quick guys are talking someone that has has has extensively studied this and you guys are calling [ __ ] on something that you have he's extensively studied a fake video buddy okay okay then how have you disproven the okay guys guys guys go on mute guys go on mute real quick everyone muted Keem go ahead I I I just want to get control of the room all all I'm saying I think you muted yourself Keem yeah you muted yourself there I can't mute myself if it says muted by host I'm sorry uh that would be on y'all uh all I'm saying is this let's say the video is fake but Ashton through his investigation uh stumbled across some technology that actually does exist right Keem why do you keep saying if the video is fake the video is fake it comes from an with other fake videos man why are we putting this if on this because I don't know I don't know there's a lot of stuff that I don't know and there's a lot of stuff that you don't know but people in this space they claim to know things that they can't possibly know like you can't possibly know if that video is real or fake you can't ke he's been on The Mentalist please Keem oh data driven dude nobody can answer this question with any Clarity or [ __ ] common sense it's so stupid like I'll give no no hold on a second dude I'm just gonna finish this and I'm gonna get the [ __ ] out of here like he's been on some big podcasts that have shot his [ __ ] down with professional special effects people that have looked at it I've worked in Hollywood for the last 20 [ __ ] years and you want to make fun of my resume Ashton that's great but I put up my resume against any [ __ ] other actor out there so you can suck my ass when it comes to that you dumbass [ __ ] question answer the [ __ ] question the video comes from an account that [ __ ] has fake videos on it man who does it need to come from Lou stupid who if it to be real who does it need to come from for you what if somebody went to prison because they leaked a video to the public and it gets on the internet and now it's getting posted by accounts everywhere who do you think's going to post it if Think Tank posts it right like fake any video that has missing data that has missing for the record for the record for the record I think the video is probably fake right but I don't know thinking is not knowing like so then why why has decided to not bring them on the show I'm sorry what so why has in my opin from talking to Rogan specifically what he linked to me was actually specifically from what I call the debunker subreddit uh the link to the picture that had the satellite picture of the clouds in it he linked that to me and he linked to me as well the Danny Jones podcast which if you think the corridor crew are some kind of uh experts and like know-it-alls when it comes to some kind of experts and knowt all they literally never worked in years of special effects training between the three of them yeah I know they they don't know anything I guess they were on The Mentalist too huh and yet I was able to show that every single thing this Nico idiot said no you were not was wrong within half the time that he said and when people sit on a couch and they just opine about stuff something that's not them showing off their VFX skills I would have been impressed if he actually shows the VFX skills and shows him doing it but he even said oh do we have the Pyromania VX oh they didn't even have it they didn't even have it on their own things wow W it's always it's always somebody else's fault it's always some other version of of of Reddit that people are on it's always CNN brain it's never let me answer the question in a straight reasonable way it's always just some [ __ ] with you man so on that note good night have a great night everybody enjoy your weekend I do want to say I love this I love this is one of that we've had for a long time Ladi and gentlemen I just want to remind everyone that earlier this week Lou review said that you know we're supposed to be a news channel but we always have Ashton on but we've always had L reviews on so I don't know if he was talking [ __ ] about himself or what but go ahead UFO Shane yeah so um I've known ashon since he had 400 followers um and I've never ran from him you know I've never said a bunch of things and left like Lou just did that's what you call a [ __ ] move you're part of the campaign against him too Shane right wer didn't people feed you fake information get what speak about that for the room speak how you focus on this though I want I want hear dude no 100% man and no 100% And I I dude I I like I remember asking when he had 400 [ __ ] followers I was before investigation Earth podcast before anything he ever did he came on my show and he talked about mx370 he's always been very passionate about what he believes to be true and then he started gaining followers and gaining momentum and to be real as you I was like well this guy's [ __ ] going off I I I'm not here to lie to any of you I'm not going to Ser coat nothing I never do and I was like well [ __ ] this guy you know he's going Drilling and Dory he's doing these things and I had problems with and ashon and me have had problems for sure like Ashton said horrible things about me I've said horrible things about Ashton we got into it but you know what I you know what I did you know what I did I messaged Ashton about it I talked to Ashton about it I dealt with my problems with fashion with Ashton and I came to realize that I was jealous that he was gaining more than I could ever gain you know and uh and then I started really listening to him talking to him and I and I thought to myself and I don't believe in m370 videos at all like whatsoever and I've said this multiple multiple times but I think that doesn't matter because Ashton is not just he's not just MH370 and I I've had this discussion with Aston before uh is that he has a way to connect with people and there are so many cases so many things we don't understand that he could be focusing on that are unknown and uh I think he's kind of getting what I had to say uh I'm not trying to speak for you Ashton but you know you remember this discussion right Ashton where I said hey man like I know I don't believe you with mc70 but there are other cases that we could focus on or you could focus on or whatever I'll help you uh that are true and real um because you have a knack for it better than I could ever have and I was jealous of that that's that's a true fact because I'm not here to lie to you Sky News Skyfire news and Ashton Forbes have future uh arrangements to investigate all kinds of stuff so he literally he understands that the same thing you all understand is that the government and these programs are lying to you was a PL can you speak on the could you speak on the campaign against ashon because you were also in that UAP mic space where they said Yeah man so what was sent to you about what was propagated about him because ashon even said this all contributed this weird Social Media stuff these weird Dynamics hold on I don't like that Mike's not here to represent himself well Mike left so what are you gonna do but people would I would be at work and I and anyone who knows me for the last three months is I got a job and I'm trying to just be a good member of society and people would DM me about Ashton all the time and I would be at work like yeah [ __ ] this guy you know he's getting owned on Julian Dory he's doing this and then because I'm not here to be about that I'm really honestly honest to God like I don't know about you guys but I'm here to try to figure out what the [ __ ] going on and so I messaged Ashton I was like hey this is what's going on this is what's happening and uh dude me and Ashton is cool as [ __ ] like me and him are like brothers at this point like I truly like people will call him a liar they called him a liar a liar you have to follow the facts they called him a liar about Joe Rogan but as keemstar just stated with DMs I have not seen but I I have follow Keem star for 12 [ __ ] years for 12 [ __ ] years I have donated to this motherfucker's patreon he's not here for lies he's not here for pandering either which I do my best not to Pander to him even though I followed him for years uh he's here for the truth so if he tells me that he's seen these DMs I believe him you know cooperating evidence right and I've also had discussions with Ashton behind the scenes and uh because Ashton believes in this stuff does not mean he's lying you all believe in things that that may be lies that's just how it is it it just really is it is really is that way and that's the part of the UFO Community dude and uh I've I've spoken with Ashton personally several times I can literally DM this [ __ ] guy who has let me see ason how many followers you got 79,000 followers we'll go right back in two seconds can we get campan up here uh dude good luck send Chris Chris I see you down there man I'm sending invites come on up bro let's I want Chris and campan up uh dude camon is a [ __ ] I love I need I need uh you know debunkers and Skeptics a chance to speak on this topic yeah and real quick on on the Shane thing too it's like I I like that Shane and I have been able to kind of reconcile and this goes back to the point point in terms of why I would step away from the MH370 investigations cuz it's just gotten too toxic too personal for a lot of people I want to be able to have people realize that I'm just a normal person I've just been telling my truth the truth that's out there that I man yes and I don't care if people think they're real or not keemstar doesn't think they're real right you don't think they're real doesn't matter doesn't mean we have to hate each other or whatever right at the end of the day I think people just think you're a punching bag it's sad dude if you listen listen real quick if you come here looking for to the unknown it's the [ __ ] unknown you don't know what's [ __ ] real okay but what we do know is that there are things hidden from us that's what we understand okay that's what we're getting with and if you have a problem with if you have a [ __ ] problem with Ashton then talk to Ashton about your problem that's what I did and people want thank you Shane yeah real quick on that too so I think that both sides like it's funny because I've gotten it from both sides I've gotten from the skeptic sides and I've gotten from the people who are believe that everything you know relates ufology aliens visitations abductions everything you know and I think that both sides are a lot closer than they think they are especially if you guys listen to this space this is why the panel's been so good tonight is that you can see that everybody's really just trying to get to the truth but they're doing it from their own Direction and that's what I like is I kind of like that I'm somewhere in the middle just trying to cut through it all and try to figure it all out and I think that keemstar has been trying to do that Tupa as well as red panda so appreciate you guys thank you Ash uh listen I want to get I really want to get to uh the Earth podcast in 503 so first Earth podcast Earth all right hey so um yeah intig Earth but it's okay it's okay keemstar I get it's too many words bro help me out Hey listen I I used to listen to keemstar by the way keemstar I used to watch on on YouTube back in the day um he he was he was big on YouTube but here's my point so um here like the weird thing about the weird thing about the whole Ashton thing is like everybody loved as Ashton got big they used asht on a lot of his clout as he was getting the clout from m370 and and Keem sir you probably know a little bit about clout especially the YouTube space right um YouTube space is huge right Absolutely I'll be right back and so so there was a lot of people like so Ashton I I know whoever said you know they had Ashton on first or whatever originally but we've had three episodes of ation 8 and a half million downloads on three episodes um 8 and a half million we can show those numbers or whatever whatever we got to do doesn't matter um but the reality of that is is that over those eight and a half million episodes there have been a wide range of people that either believed or didn't believe but the reality is like when people say that you know well this is fake and this is not fake this is is fake man we we just don't know what the hell is fake anymore and and I think that's I think that is the the the biggest thing there are s offs in every single Avenue that we turn nowadays mainstream media lies to us completely 100% all the time and what I can say about Ashen is though is that Ashen is probably the smartest person in this space and I'm not just kissing Ashton's ass because in the beginning when Ash and I first met and we brought him on the podcast you know we disagreed actually about what this was is it is it Advanced reversed engineer your Tech I am still probably like let's just say for example the videos are real I don't necessarily know that the that the tech we're seeing in that video if it is real if it is real um is Advanced Tech we I think there's more evidence to UFOs and uaps that actually are here spiritually some type of uh spiritual realm inter dimensionality um that whole thing I mean we've talked to a lot of people in in a lot of different um in environments yeah to where we can to where we can talk about that but the reality of this is is I think that there's just been a lot of people that have kind of rode Ashton's CT tells as far as his upcoming of the MH370 thing oh dude 100% but but now but now they want to screw him talk [ __ ] about him and do all this stuff and this is just the reality of the way this space is now due investigation don't you feel like like whenever you're here on the space right in the UFO Twitter space when you get more famous you kind of start being like you know like oh this dud being more famous than me and you against them you know well look here here's what I can tell you when we have and I called Ashton um I don't know when it was I called Ashton a week ago and you know with our three episodes we've done with Ashton we have like I said eight plus million downloads on those episodes and and you know we were ranking um you know on top episodes on Spotify everything but the thing is is like I called Ash I said hey I I just happen to find all these people um that you know are commenting emailing all the [ __ ] it was like a coordinated effort towards us it says if you ever have Ashton back on your podcast we will never listen to you again I mean I called Ashton and I said I said this almost appears to be Bots like if you go to for example Joe Biden's Twitter account or X account whatever and and and so you look at people that are like oh Joe Biden we love you you're doing so great this time out for two seconds I just want the room to actually pay attention to what's being said here go ahead go ahead go ahead facts are being said right now uh real quick I want to say I want to say investigation you're stating actual facts uh social media numbers are real your following is real these are things that matter and people will try to write them off and I love everything saying man no you're good go go ahead but but my point is like so so if you look at like Joe Biden's account right and and people are saying oh we love you Joe Biden you're doing so great you're doing so great you're doing so great you're doing so great and by the way if you go through all these accounts you can usually see a correlation with people that say very similar [ __ ] look like real accounts but not so as we started looking through emails and messages and all this stuff especially with Ashton over eight million downloads I called Ashton I said Ashton I want to read you some of these some of these emails and and I want you to hear this it is a pattern it it is a pattern to where people were threatening us they said you know we will we will make sure that iHeart which is which is our you know who who we are under um we will make sure iHeart never platforms you again we'll do this we'll do this it it was just it was just so weird because our thing is when we brought Astron we did not say that like you know the fin L this is real our podcast for example we did a black lives matter episode we had a guy from Texas as black um this was like two or three years ago we had a a guy from Texas black and he had completely different views as a guy from inner city of Cincinnati and so we brought both those on but we wanted both stories because we don't give a [ __ ] about a narrative we just want the truth that's all we want and so for Ashton's perspective we brought him on and and Ashton's very well spoken he is highly intelligent and we just wanted to present the case to our audience which he did and we wanted an audience to decide and so as the third episode came around we started seeing this correlated effort to where they were it was almost like they were threatening us and I literally called Ashton I think it was about six days ago and I said Ashton here's all these comments here's these emails have you experienced this have have you experienced this and I told him I said I think this is a coordinated effort all I'm saying is is that I'm not saying that the videos are real or not what I but but what I am saying is but what but but what I am saying is this is a very weird thing that's on and so the Keem star point and by the way I I I give you credit Keem because yeah ke SM probably not real in your opinion and by the way Ashton saying regardless of whether you believe it's real or not doesn't matter but I think the but I think the keemstar's point is uh Keem you you said but I also can't prove they're not but it's just weird because the coordinated effort to try to tell you that they are not and anytime you have a mass coordinate effort towards something you should look the other way in some cases and uh before we go to before we go to 503 I just want to say this right um you know Shane referenced earlier my [ __ ] detector it's legendary if anyone's lying or [ __ ] you know being deceiving or whatever like I see it I can literally see you lying right uh it doesn't matter how hard you try to deceive me I can see you lying like I I don't know it's where I got this from Street smarts whatever you want to call it but I got it Ashton Forbes is not a liar he just isn't he just I he really isn't he really isn't and uh if the Spy request comes back uh or Ashton Forbes is lying or let's say he wasn't able to produce the uh a screenshot of the DMS that Joe Rogan uh invited him on the podcast I'd be shocked I would be absolutely shocked um but I don't get that vibe from Ashton Forbes and to further up what the podcast just mentioned there's been so many people in this community that have attacked me for platforming Ashton or being friends with Ashton just so y'all know just so you like really really get it like I'm like one of these guys that's like uncan like I don't [ __ ] care like what I think is what I'm doing and what I'm saying so I don't I don't know why anyone would even bother to be like you know you shouldn't hang out with Ashton because then people won't trust you if I want to hang out with Ashton or platform Ashton I'm going to it doesn't matter what the [ __ ] you say just so you know yeah I appreciate you man and uh you know in terms of what Chad and Sherry were saying first of all like part of my conversation with them what they said is true also led to my thought process in terms of retiring from the case because I I saw that and I went man yeah maybe some of that's artificial but there's some of it it's real as well and I've seen it firsthand and yes I'm an honest person and just for your knowledge Keem I actually did post more of the DMS just now on my stream so people know 100% I was invited there's no doubt whatsoever um that is true and yeah I I don't necessarily think I'm the smartest person in the room because actually I think keemstar is super smart I mean I know he's got a lot of drama tied to him as well but he's a super smart guy very quick witted very knowledgeable when it comes to marketing and those kinds of things and I think you know I hate to fate you here but you you in this space in terms of the ufology is something that absolutely this community needs go ahead Shane I'm sorry 503 503 go ahead thanks Keem um you know Ashton I've kind of stayed out of the MH370 conversation online uh for the past several months I kind of and there's a reason for that I mean it for one it's so volatile it seemed like and I and I saw both sides coming after you which I thought was interesting uh to say the least but when MH 370 when those videos first came out you know I I looked at them way back in the day and I I'm not by any means a VFX Superstar or anything like that but I do have several years experience working with After Effects and doing animations and things like that and there was some big red flags to me and I just kind of felt like in my gut that those videos weren't real and I didn't really spend a lot of time trying to debunk or create them or recreate them or whatever but there are have been other people who have I mean there's you know the uh the portal was found in the I forget whatever people say that there was a similar portal found in a VFX pack uh the cloud textures were found by I believe a guy named Jonas who says yeah I took those cloud pictures they're in a stock Cloud pack um and as a VFX guy or a guy who's done VFX work I could see how that could easily have been faked and going beyond that even if that video was real I still didn't understand the correlation to how we concluded that that was MH370 I mean we didn't see the tail number on the plane identifi identifying it I know you said there was GPS coordinates in the in the description of the video or something like that so that's a good indicator um and is kind of questionable but um I think the problem that I had with the investigation that you did and I and I want to say this I preface it by saying this I think you did a thorough bang-up job man the level of research that you did and some of the arguments you've made have been topnotch but I think in my opinion they all were kind of predicated on the fact that these videos are indeed real and if those videos end up not being real then any kind of further argument that is based on the videos being real also has to kind of go out the door you know like these Advanced propulsion texts and things like that um you know and there was there was some other evidence too you know like parts of the plane being found I mean there's there's some things out there that I think that you know I know you feel you have bunked an ashen but in my opinion they they weren't necessarily really debunked you know I mean if you've got parts of the plane that are are most likely have come from it and they're saying yeah we can pretty much say that this was part of the plane then it it's hard to say well no you know the plane was teleported somewhere else if parts of it were found you know and I think that's you know something that was talked about in the last space that you were on is that people kind of feel like you're not really willing to listen to some of the counterpoints or really adopt them instead you're just like I've debunked them and you move on as if they're debunked and and you know um that they're still true or whatever so um that being said you know I'm sorry that you got so much heat from both sides man like um and I can understand your willingness to want to kind of Step Back From it um because of that but um yeah I mean I just I just hope that that you can kind of maybe listen to some of the counterpoints that people make and and try to weigh some of that because that's really when you're doing something like this you're never going to be able to prove one way or the other but you can go with the preponderance of evidence you can go and say look there's more evidence that shows that this video is fake than that shows that it's real it's most likely fake and we got to just kind of move on from there yeah I appreciate your thoughts and I'm not going to relitigate everything but I'm going to say that from the point that you made regarding the preponderance of evidence the preponderance of evidence is that the videos are real by far there's only two even that's the as there's only two remot I love love YouTube Gemar there's only two even remotely close debunks and all the stuff that you said the irony of it honestly is that you don't address anything that I've brought up right and this is the problem I have with Skeptics in general is that their Viewpoint is if they find something they think is wrong then it throws everything out right you even admitted it you said if you think there's some aspect of it that you think is fake then it throws out everything else but I don't even need the videos to prove that this plane didn't crash into the ocean because planes don't crash into the ocean without leaving debris Fields that's not what I said Ashton I said if all of your arguments are based upon that then they based upon those videos being real they the point right they aren't and and there's a whole and there's like two aspects right there's the whole conspiracy aspect of the fact that everybody's got satellites in the sky that we've proven the cber systems out there scanning the Earth every 10 seconds there's no chance in hell the United States government doesn't know exactly what happened to this plane regardless of whether or not those videos are real right I even said this in the Danny Jones podcast so that's just what I want to point out is that anyone who really thinks that it's it's fake or whatever just look at my pin tweet look at the evidence how come we couldn't find two Navy Seals that fell into the ocean I found Edward cinn literally the guy that leaked the video like to a 99.9% there was two Navy Seals who fell overboard and if we had satellites everywhere you'd think we could have located them as well fell overboard where what are you talking about in the Indian Ocean I believe it yeah there was two Navy Seals different than a 777 the size of a city block crashing into the ocean and breaking into thousands of pieces not just us China too but anyway I don't want to relitigate everything you can see the evidence that's out there but I think this idea that like oh I think it's fake cuz I saw what the corridor crew did or that Mick West pointed out a debunk and therefore you need to adhere to my beliefs is like that's the the height of hypocrisy right you're not looking at any of the evidence that I've put forth so that's all I want to point out I didn't or the crew I didn't mention either of those people let me break this up for a minute because we do have um paranormal Chris on the stage who is the number one opponent against uh Ashton go ahead Chris I'm not a number one opponent it's ridiculous uh so the Edward cin comment did you just say that Edward is the one that uh leaked the videos because earlier I thought it was an Anon account so the the reg sideon accounts the one that they showed up on on on YouTube but I don't know if you haven't looked into it but I I spent weeks looking through trying to find people that had been charged with Will for retention of classified information or Espionage and then eventually ran into Edward seen if you look at just the dates and the information evidence around this guy if anyone leaked these videos and they're real it's him without any doubt whatsoever I mean just ly was not he didn't leak he didn't leak videos there's plenty of information to show exactly what he got in trouble for what is and it had nothing to do with videos like what I don't understand where you're getting Edward C Lynn from I got this stuff pulled up right here it has nothing to do with you don't prove that this is the problem cannot prove that you keep making up fake stuff that you know shut up dude shut up Diego Garcia where did you where did you get the planes at Diego Garcia where did that come from okay so the Edward C ly thing he gets assigned to a special spy plane uh Squadron February of 2014 the investigation then begins April of 2014 his defense attorney says that there was the evidence against him is available on the internet we looked at as appeal the penal codes related to the appeal are consistent with videos being leaked you tell me what else this guy went to prison for where they're trying to get him in prison for life in prison for Espionage where later on they have to admit that it wasn't really a spy case at all and that he never shared any information with anyone from China of course it's the videos man this is why they're trying to get him for life because you look at the videos you go holy [ __ ] look at these videos look at the technology we're hiding this is why they're coming so down down on them so hard none of the news yet none of the news says anything about the videos of course they don't it's all classified where do you get that from because it's class it's just deduction making stuff up you're making up did yeah you did I I'll if if you want to give me time Keem I'll read exactly the pinpoints of what Edward C let Chris speak let Chris for chis so Edward C Lenn so this is what happened 2013 Lyn claimed to to leave in uh take leave in Virginia because he was in the military when he when actuality traveled to Taiwan to meet with the head of Taiwanese uh Navy uh I tip to FBI in early 2014 indicated that Lynn was sharing sensitive information with foreign agents which led to a joint FBI investigation investigation revealed close and continuous contact with senior official assigned to taiwan's Embassy developed relationship with female registered foreign agent who worked for tyes uh Democratic Progressive Party September 2015 after providing classify information to an undercover FBI agent an attempt to impress a woman he is arrested for suspected Espionage 2017 found guilty of wrongly transporting classified material failing to store classified material as secret wrongfully or wrongly failing to report foreign connections to security manager two specifications of false official statements and two specifications of communicating defense information send us to nine years in prison with three years suspended for making false statements failing to report foreign contact mishandling classified information and disclosing secret information to foreign citizen Lynn will be dismissed from the Navy and will forfeit all pay allowances unreported so right there it just show it tells nothing in that nothing in that even indicates remotely that it has anything to do with these stupid videos and this is something that Ashton has made up and this is a this is this is pulled off a case study of Edward Lynn uh that it's a part of a slideshow um that's on secnav navy.mil so has lied so Chris I have obviously not lied Chris pulls Cherry picks one piece that's actually not supported by any quotes or anything related to it the quotes are the things that I just told you guys the time frame that's on the website it's not quoted and his defense attorney even says that the Navy was lying about the information related to him to manipulate the information in the media to manipulate the charges which is obvious because they threw a prostitution charge on attorney you stop for a second Jesus what's wrong with you I can't deal with these guys man wait let let let Ashton respond go ahead Ashton and so he admits to he says that he did nothing wrong the Navy later on has to admit that there was no spying whatsoever and no evidence of any Espionage whatsoever he takes a plea deal works with the NCIS and the FBI he gets nine years for two charges of disseminating classified information that is available on the internet he gets caught with flight manifests in May that includes search and rescue code names what other manifest can that possibly be it's MH370 there's even an article out there where at the top you can see the p8 Poseidon searching for MH370 which is literally the plane that he would have been assigned to in in addition to the Aries ep32 uh EP ep3e Aries 2 the problem with people like Chris is that they only believe whatever they're told because he's from the military and that's the way let me finish that that's the way the military works is that you believe what you're told and only what you're told and the reality is idiot said you have a top don't have a top secret clearance a and I tell you what I'm gonna be able to prove that and I swear to God if I prove that I'm gonna nuke everything about your account because you have one if you're lying about having top secret clearance that's a felony that's a federal offense and if I figure that out your ass is grass homie I'm let wait wait wait time out out no no Keem no no no no y y'all have spammed me I don't know how many times while I've been in here in this damn room for me to come up and talk so I'm gonna come up and talk for one you're you're not GNA have a top secret clearance for being uh some in some kind of medical uh it job that's that's not even that has a contract with the government that doesn't mean you're a government contractor so you don't have a top secret clearance and you even lied on you even lied about the cat card thing and you know you did in the DMS uh and then once you got called out you you said oh I lied it's actually a PIV card you didn't even know you had to go Google it that's why it took you so damn long and you said you lied about it okay so I'm gonna show can I speak resp I need to respond I'm going to reveal some information just to prove this guy got out both of you both of you right uh you know Chris you you said that ashon was lying about this individual right Ash uh responded by saying why he thinks this individual didn't I'm going to destroy Chris's Career Information about the missing plane and you you didn't have a response to that Chris so why is so why are none of the articles about him uh about what he what he leaked uh that you can find online why does it not mention MH370 at all because then you people would tie it to the videos that are publicly available that everybody was looking at Weeks afterwards that was the whole point it's probably also why they didn't arrest him until September of 2015 right when they did the sting operation on one month before which is what you just mentioned now I want to just let everybody know this is how people like Chris like just to show you how their process this is how people like Chris dude you did a two and a half hour let address I'm address the fake arguments showing everybody's DMS you're a big piece of [ __ ] if you're gonna show everybody's DMS show your DM with Joe Rogan and prove that you actually got I just I just I literally just did actually that's the funniest part about this you need real help Chris and what I'm going to say with you is that you'll find see Budd you'll see you'll see it Bud why do I not see it you're gonna see it so I'm going to go ahead and I'm also going to point out everything that you just said this wrong as well I work with the VA that's the reason why I have a PIV card and not a CAC card I was incorrect and that I was joking in the DMS with you about that because I realized when you said CAC I got confused because my company actually we work uh the medical records we work with is both the do and the VA but I'm on the VA side and with respect to why I have top secret clearance is because they're in the same domain and therefore I have access to everybody's medical record including every General and everyone else out there so that's the reason why I have a top secret clearance you are an idiot and you need to seek real help can I respond you work with you work with the VA but you constantly down you constantly so now we're gonna change it right can you just admit you're wrong and just say that for once or is it's always like the narrative just keeps shifting right like I literally have to reveal person information respond let Chris respond go ahead Chris so you got a so you got a top secret clearance working at the VA I think it was clear right and I explained why okay okay well now that I know you're at the VA and what you say about veterans online and you've got a you've actually got a podcast up where you're Downing veterans uh I'm I'm G to make sure the VA sees that uh because notd you are you're really pushing the line Chris not one of you not one of you in this Lobby can tell he couldn't admit he was wrong he melting down now now you're threatening me wow if there's a if there's a guy on here time saying no s if there's a guy on here that's Downing veterans and then they also work at the VA uh yeah you damn well that why should any veteran have to sit there and have to listen to an Ashton Forbes or trust them with his information when he posts their post DMS online so no I I I guarantee you there's gonna be something come from that Chris wait wait Chris can I ask for more [ __ ] consequences and you're going to learn Ashton you're going to learn about it well you got who you wanted Chris good luck wait wait wait wait Ashton wait wait Chris can I ask for more details what you're referring to no you can't you can't because he left uh unfortunately respond to Chris please investigate go for it uh that's unfortunate like this issue for some reason is getting really really emotional and it's been emotional um and and crazy and Bots and you know campaigns to to attack nonstop um I I really really really do on the record love Chris I love Chris because Chris questions everything which is really really important and good in this space I also love Ashton right because Ashton's like ready to go to war to uh present his case um so I just want to say like so I need to address I need to address some some of that not on either side like I support both these gentlemen go ahead ashon yeah because I mean you know you saw what he said there and this is the reason why I'm stepping down right like you can see the damage it does to people like Chris right where they invent these fake narratives that are out there so much so that now he wants to attack my job right and this is the reason why I don't reveal personal information about my job because of exactly what Chris just said to everybody on on this space right now um because you have people that are just literal Psychopaths who will go after your job because you believe something they don't and you prove them wrong objectively and now instead of just admitting they were wrong and then apologizing they double down on it now they want to come after you I respect veterans in the military I literally work with them all the time but when you come at me from a personal perspective now you're coming at me from outside like I don't have to listen to you because you're a veteran if you start attacking me like the local 556 did and like Chris did and making up these narratives now you're doing that from your personal perspective I love veterans but please do not come at me like that because I don't like to chop people down like Chris like I just did right there but I just can't have people lying about me like they're doing yeah if Chris went after your job then Chris would lose a lot of respect on the community because that's obviously not cool uh go ahead Shane well real quick I was just going to agree with Keem there that yeah Chris that's some Chris I love you bro I know you're listening to this still that's some hate group [ __ ] don't go after his job like this is America freedom of speech like that's not cool bro and I love let me let me be very clear as as the person who has had people come to us South with machine guns um yeah uh but but Chris is a veteran so he gets very passionate about these things I brought Chris here I brought Chris here for his skeptical mind um you know uh not so much very important of the conversation right Shane oh dude 100 perc dude a thousand percent dude uh you know like uh there's there's like five Skeptics there's there's me there's Chris or there's Chris there's me whatever you want to say it there's uh cambian there's you know there's not lot of Skeptics left uh people will show you a video and you're like oh it's aliens but that should be the last thing you know um uh Ashton uh man you know I I tried to say this time and time again that I had problems with you and you had problems with me and we dealt with those personally so real quick uh Shane one last thing I want to say too is that just at the larger level right like people wonder like why does Ash not just show the DMS or whatever cuz like I'm happy for these people people to take as much rope as they want to hang themselves with right and then just shoot them down with a hammer I I even said this yesterday on my stream I just did it again to Chris right now right stop coming after me stop making a fake Nar about you li they said that you lied Ashton I I you know Ashton I I'm not here during the week during my work week and they were like oh Ashton's lying about Joe Rogan but I know you Ashton I know you pretty well I mean pretty [ __ ] well I've known you since you had nothing and uh you've never been a liar uh in my opinion not one time you believe what you believe and you're allowed to believe what you believe that's you you know a lot of people in here believe in Jesus a lot of people in here believe in Krishna they believe in Muhammad you're allowed to believe in things that you believe in and uh and and you will burn on those things that you believe in um but Chris is a massive skeptic he he really is and he does a lot of good he does a lot of good work and I'm very sorry that it's come to this but you know that the the veteran thing and all this stuff you know you have to think you know Chris as a veteran it does mean a lot to him uh but you believe what you believe and some things trigger you they do uh that being said I've I I used to just [ __ ] hate as and I lit Lally me and him were just [ __ ] at odds I would I didn't do the fake GoFundMe by any means but I did a thing where I was like you know me falling in Gold I'm like oh you know and we found out that was a fake [ __ ] who was lying on Ashton that Ashton had nothing to do with and then I've had people tell me that Ashton's a pedophile and I know this isn't cover will talk about but I had like King milart King milart said oh he's a pedophile and then I looked into it and it wasn't true the same thing said about area 503 down here they weren't true these claims were not true they weren't they were never true they were just [ __ ] and uh I looked into them because I took 15 minutes of my time to look into these things and uh to be honest with you you know Chris is going to be very passionate about anything dealing with the Air Force or whatever he's going to do I love Chris I brought Chris here he does great work and there are certain things that anyone in here will get lit up about right like this but we're all here to discuss the topic of the unknown and Ashton while me and you disagree vehemently on uh MH370 I will tell you this time and time again you have a knack for this you have done good work you have brought the topic to many people that I could never bring it to and am jealous of that for sure because I don't lie to people I try to be honest about the things right and and I'm trying to give you guys the raw real real deal here real deal here and uh there are so many things that you have brought people to this topic to and I could I just I just can't be on the hate train for you man because I've talk to you and while I don't believe what you believe we all believe things that other people don't believe I appreciate I want to get to some other speakers as well bud that's can I respond to this for a second can I respond yeah Chad go ahead I I I have to respond this for a second because uh a lot of people know me but I've been in aviation for over 14 years okay um Chris which I don't know who this dude is but as he says the Navy report the official Edward cin Navy report says this and so that there's no other variation against that report I mean look the reality is that we have like who the hell is lying to who about the government's reports that are actual factual and I know that rhymes but you know Edward C Lyn you know he was charged with several offenses including Espionage attempted Espionage communicating National Defense information to a person not authorized to receive it which means he put out something to someone and this is the the official actual thing I mean you can look it up Edward S Lin was charged with he gave official information that was classified to someone that was not supposed to receive it so okay just from that very perspective um that absolutely can mean he gave a video of a drone or a uh P3 or a p8 Poseidon and in this case by the way being in aviation for a very long time know all about military Aviation that's a hypothetical dude that's a hypothetical that's straight up hypothetical dude listen but what he's saying is also hypothetical he's he's literally telling you that the US Navy report because he's a veteran is you're supposed to just believe it but the reality is he tried to listen listen to me he read a mainstream media article that said their Narrative of what Edward C Lynn was charged with but the actual fact is is that Edward C Lynn was charged with Espionage and communicating National Defense information to a person not authorized to receive it so that's what whatever media outlet that reported whatever Edward C Lyn that Chris just read off that's what that's how they interpreted that but the reality of it is is that the charge to Edward C Lynn was giving information to someone that was not able to receive it based on their classification level or zero classification level so when Chris comes in here and says oh I'm a veteran and I know all the [ __ ] okay fine you're a veteran great I my brother's a veteran many of my family members are veterans action's more right here than he is I'm sorry he is doesn't matter and if you look at it just from my perspective you know over I think it's actually over 15 years in aviation there's a he's just not right he's a skeptic he is someone I mean if you want an agent that would be against a topic it would be him not Ashton that's all I'm saying real quick I want say he's very he's very disrespectful to like if you're GNA come in here as a veteran and be a complete [ __ ] to someone um especially when someone like Ashton is trying to say like hey this could be reverse engineering technology government Tech I don't know dude he he disproved all of his credibility in my opinion and what he just talks yeah and I think that just I want to point out that in the pill I think it's called or whatever the nest we I've done like four pieces on Edward scene and I've sourced every single article around it so that you guys can read all the verifiable facts because I've had people come and try to cherry-pick and say this guy is not the guy or whatever just look at the evidence for yourself and choose for yourself there's even an article about the Strange Case of Edward C Linn because if you look at people that have been charged with this type of stuff that this is this serious they actually mention usually what type of stuff they've actually been charged with They Don't Really lie about it now but this guy they don't say anything about it right so it's up to you to determine whether or not you think he's the guy or not I'm just telling you I a lot of hype man it's a lot hyp wait wait Shane two seconds and by the way Shane is gonna be running the Afterparty when we're done here tonight so shout out to UFO Shane um question I I was talking to Chris and DMS oh I see Chris is here um there is is a um the screenshots that you showed with Joe Rogan they don't have um Joe Rogan verified can you answer why that is oh is that a question to me yes oh sorry um I think that when you're searching for the people I mean if I had to prst all the DMs I can't and I've also got emails from his booking agent asking for my flight information and where I what state from like I I have everything man so um um the reason why it doesn't show is I'm looking at it right now on the desktop version it doesn't show verified next do we really have to do this so like this is the thing right we're like debunkers and Skeptics look for one tiny thing where they can affirm and use confirmation bias to confirm their beliefs I have all the DMS uh I have emails um if you really if these guys really want to hang themselves I have no problem letting them do it right if they still want to try to admit it whatever it's fine I just hope they can start to see reason and realize from our conversations that I've never been line that one time go ahead Chris go ahead Chris yeah I I mean I don't care at this point it is what it is uh there's not a check I went through my DMs and I mean when I go through DMs if they have a blue check mark it shows up but that's just me um but anyways that who that was directly from the Navy it was from the Navy site it's uh you can look here I'll post it in the nest for you guys uh it's not a MS M of whatever you said it was the Navy is not capable lying Chris is that what you're saying what's that that's hypothetical dude that's a literal hypothetical dude you cannot bring hypotheticals here dude but but listen but you're but you're you're saying that Navy is not capable of lying if this listen but if this mission was top secret and classified you're saying that they're gonna tell top secret and class on an article that's what you're saying I'm gonna say they're definitely lying their defense attorneys even literally argued that the go the military was lying about the charges and misrepresenting them so that the media would be distorted by it I just want to point that out I've got the art I've got the Articles you can see my four piece maybe even five pieces I don't remember how many I did about Edward C Lyn uh cherry picking one article is not a good way to go and and base your opinion on so here's the next one here's the next one and it goes into detail exactly what he he supposedly leaked so this is from the Navy times um so it talks about uh so he went to after two days of intense interrogation Lynn confessed to telling a recently retired Taiwanese Navy naval officer and others some highly classified details about the US Navy's weapons program including the long range anti-ship missile under development the highspeed rail gun and the laser weapon system being tested in the Persian Gulf nothing to say about mh37 not what he was charged with do I do want to ask you this question because I I I was the one that you're you're responding I'm going to post this in the s for everybody listen but I I I do want to ask you this question so if Ashton is right right and this technology is reverse engineered or highly classified technology you're saying to me that if Edward C Lyn was somehow responsible for this video that they are gonna come out in Navy times and other uh military media and they're going to actually tell you why this this dude is charged with esage is that what you're telling me so they're going to list all the other uh weapon systems and everything that he was talking about but they're not going to talk about a hoax MH370 video that he supposedly that you somehow connected to it that makes no sense that literally makes no sense if that was the case you would see that all over the news everywhere that video would have been playing nonstop everywhere but Chris have you not been have you not been watching mainstream media like over the last like no I don't watch mainstream media matter of fact I don't get my news from the mainstream media yeah I don't either obviously we have a podcast that we're that's we're the Alternate Source but what you're telling me is that Navy times if they post it that's true right and and so what you're saying is Idi what Navy times account of what Edward Heen is scroll down account although what ifence you're telling me that they should have speculation there nothing there's nothing to tie him to it okay so so okay so we're just supposed to believe whatever that that article says to be fact yeah I mean if you're not entrenched in conspiracy theory mind oh my god dude come on dude are are do do you not realize conspiracy theorists are not no longer conspiracy like name one conspiracy theory that isn't actually true besides Bigfoot and maybe Flat Earth but name name some other ones MH370 being Zapped Away by orbs okay so three okay so that's your point maybe FL Earth dude maybe Flat Earth what what I mean there's a ton so I there's no link to Lynn and that that is the dumbest thing and second of all how is there a link to MH370 and Diego Garcia where' that come from where's where's the source to that where's the source to it Chris my only point is listen I I understand yeah I understand you don't yeah don't trust the don't trust the military because it doesn't suit your narrative I got it we don't have to beat that dead horse we talk about do you trust the government and Biden as well do do you trust them to to every do you trust bid presid United States but you're saying you trust you're going off topic you're going off topic I'm not interested we're not going off topic dude this I'm not interested in politics we're not talking CNN we're not talking Fox News talking about MH no so so you don't think the Navy is controlled by the I don't know why the check wasn't showing up or by whatever Administration is an office at that time is that what you're telling me you talking about media you're so entrenched in conspiracy Theory it's so weird like stick with facts that's the problem with this whole Community is nobody sticks to facts and if it doesn't suit your narrative you're gonna you're gonna make some kind of conspiracy theory and say it's a scop okay what what facts you have how do you get through daily how do you get through life every day when you think everything's a scop that doesn't uh that doesn't fit your narrative how do you how do you accomplish daily task every day Chris hey Chris you got vaccinated didn't you what you got vaccinated didn't you us chis you take I know you did because I know you're type and that's what that's my point dude you just said you just said maybe Flat Earth no let Chris respond well first of all I don't believe in Flat Earth but I'm saying yeah know Chris are you gonna tell the truth or you gonna lie to us what's you said maybe I mean for the VA and you're trying to get me to to you know is there something called hippo so why are you trying to ask me about hippo hippo but unless like listen answer what's with all the stra can we just have a real conversation Chris for Sky newsus Chris for a Skyfire news exclusive are you vaccinated yeah he is vaccinated he [ __ ] knows it because that's that's exactly why he listens to the [ __ ] he's spouting out tonight in the space let's let him answer let's let him answer okay time out time out time out let's get a little break in this go ahead 503 I'm just the straw man is arguments are getting kind of out of control and I think we should just keep it to facts and lay lay off of the ad homonym attacks it's just really can kind of ridiculous and the politics let's start another space for politics all right but this does kind of go back to politics a little bit can we just get an answer wants to get everybody else on the record I want to get him on the record Chris what is your answer you don't have to answer you can say you don't want to answer but what is your answer so why is somebody in the medical field with the VA asking me my vaccination status in an open for we already know what it is that's a hippo violation that is a Hipp all right and before we move on to the final there's one more story you want to cover tonight I think we kind of yeah you guys [ __ ] Hypocrites you you all are a bunch of [ __ ] Hypocrites and there's a reason why there's a stigma in this damn community and you're proving it right now you're worried about my vaccination status because I'm out here speaking facts from actual [ __ ] sources and this is in in red panda out of me and you have had ties for a very long time I I was just joking bro I really don't care if you're vaccinated or not I thought I thought it was just really random that he brought it up and funny no but my bad I didn't realize it was like a whole thing my bad you don't have to are stop interrup Chris Chris Chris you you talked [ __ ] to Ashton earlier you were an [ __ ] to him and all I was saying was is like are you vac are you reading the same studies uh you know same studies about the vaccine safety as you were about anime 370 I get the joke I do think it's a way to generalize people and kind of dismiss them uh vaccinated nonvaccinated Democrat I get it I get it but it is a game to play and and and uh I did think it was funny Red's question but I I didn't think he I just thought it was super random it was just like out a left field I was just like shocked so I just thought hilarious I back I was surprised to hear it too I was surprised to hear too uh we got Ralph requesting not sure if we're going to pop that up guys this has been a very heated discussion in many ways but I am glad Chris came back and is able to kind of share some of that opinion um but what's with the contention like I feel like some of this stuff has to be from like the lack of answers and the way we've been let around for the past like four or five years like there's there the tension that I'm seeing just doesn't seem naturally put in there you know what I mean like people are going zero to 100 on Ashton like he's like telling people like what kind of like what sciences and stuff and and people are propping them up to like tell us you know to lead Academia but that's not happening a guy with Theory presented that honestly outweighs a lot of the other evidence for cases that I've seen be brought up and careers be made on right uh I've seen careers made on looser evidence than what Ashton has put forth and we all are intrigued by it and the way he's presenting it his celebrity status I think is earned and it's interesting but why is it triggering so many people to be like think of the children and this is dangerous I'm genuinely curious genuinely curious because the reason why is cuz Ashton has an answer for everything it doesn't matter what's being thrown at him he has response go ahead Shane yeah dude um you know I I am very thankful to be a part of Skyfire news uh uh these discussions that we have are very important um Chris is very passionate about what Chris is very passionate about at the same rate Ashton is very passionate about what Ashton is very passionate about um investigation if I have to look at what you've discussed through just a like you know just me looking at it you brought up some very poor points you you went to polit political reasons and just [ __ ] arguments to be honest man uh and I'm not here to suck uh Tupa dick keem's dick or red Pain's dick uh you you immediately turned an argument into political stuff are you vaccinated are you this that's a [ __ ] argument dude that's not good no did it crash [ __ ] [ __ ] it crashed everybody's drunk as hell yeah guys I'm going to pull it back up here in a second but wow guys meltdown from Chris guys that was embarrassing also here's the check mark for everybody uh you know so we got that out of the way um but yeah total meltdown wow yeah Chris is Chris is definitely guy backs guys and the funny part is he's afraid to admit it because he thinks it'll make him look bad like embarrassing and you want to interrupt me that's okay you can rebuttal uh but you you literally had a chance to argue with someone and you brought up news stations dumbass [ __ ] million views paranormal [ __ ] 30 million views dude because I think you're a very smart guy and I feel like you kind of got head a little bit on this ridiculous um but we're all here to find out the actual truth and I'm not here to pain or two anyone 30 million views I think you're very smart and you need you need to focus on that dude Chris is a veteran okay I don't know what's going on here it's all messed up I love how he was too embarrassed to answer a basic question whether or not he got vaccinated as if it's like some huge uh violation of his privacy right God why do all this stuff where come on man how do I there we go honest dude uh like for real we're just trying to figure out what's going on uh we can have this argument all day long about Ashton and what he you know people said Ashton's a liar about Jo Rogan I'll look more into it but I I've never Ashton has never lied to me he has never lied to me we're back and that's why I misappropriated those are personal growth that I had to come to so thank you Shane let's get over to Ralph because we are trying to keep canane can I resp yeah investigator Earth respond to Shane and then we'll get to real give me two minutes um all right Shane I understand you think I brought it Poli it's not political though what what what I did was is exactly what he did number one he came in there and the way he talked to Ashton was very condescending um and if you're a veteran and you respect your country and what Ashton has actually have been trying to do is just figure out like for the People by the way the truth which is which is the did I lose him oh God are you there oh sorry okay hold on I'm here so all I'm saying is is that I did not bring politics into this the reality of what happened was is that he said that you have to believe The Narrative of the United States government and the United States military official report but we know that the United States military lies to the public 90% of the time 90% of time so all I'm saying is that how condescending he was to Ashton coming into to the space and saying that because the US Navy website said this about what the actual interpretation was of Espionage that's ridiculous and so the reason I ask him if he was vaccinated is because if he believes everything the Navy media says then obviously he's probably going to believe everything mainstream media says about the vaccine safety and efficacy it has nothing to do with politics it all has to do with your mindset and what do you believe and what are you willing to at least try to understand and I felt like he was very condescending very disrespectful and um and and the reality is is I think he just got owned and that's why he left and and and you're his friend trying to take up Rim Yeah can I jump into because here's the thing here's my view on it you're right Shane it's not supposed to be political right but he's asking me all these personal questions trying to get me to reveal personal information because he's built these fake stories in his head and I did reveal that personal information and that's why I thought the question that Chad and Sherry asked right there from the investigate Earth podcast about his vaccination status was an appropriate one is if you're going to come at me and try to make up all these narratives about me and ask me about my personal information and then you're going to freak out and make up fake stuff about hippo which is that's not how hippo Works guys I don't even think Chris even knows how to spell hippo probably right like that's not the situation if somebody asks you a personal thing and you don't want to answer it or whatever go for it but let's be honest we know based on his answer he didn't get it because he believes all the mainstream stuff he believes whatever CNN tells him right and that was the the point that Chad and Sherry were trying to make there from the investigate Earth so I appreciate that point in general thank you Ralph you copped up here thoughts then Manny 5503 and then we have one more story yeah I mean geez I think most of us can see right through Chris I mean I don't know about him personally but I just know that he's very biased in his narrative it's obvious to me that because he was in the Air Force this narrative was ingrained in him I don't know what he's doing now but I I know for a fact there's no way any intelligent person who's done any amount of research could spout the sort of stuff that he spouts it's just impossible so either he's here as a liar to try to throw us all off or he's getting paid to spread [ __ ] I don't know which it is but I don't know why you guys keep giving the guy a platform and Shane you should know better brother seriously you keep striking out with these people you're supporting bro I don't get it yeah I know what he that's for living and it saves lives every day that's what I know that's fine but you don't know [ __ ] about UFOs and this is a UFO conversation you should even bring his ass in here I like Chris Chris if you're listening I didn't mean anything I literally thought you would find it funny that we asked because it was just so like it was hilarious to me all right Manny 53 yeah Chris repos Mick West I'm not sure about the vaccine thing I thought military members were they had forced vaccines and there's other Industries like if you work in Hollywood then you weren't going to get a job if you didn't have a vaccine and if you live in New York City you can't go into a restaurant if you don't have right isn't there something like that so like that's not really a fair barometer of people's um cognitive uh how they digest the news I should say you know um so let's just maybe we should just curtail that um good [ __ ] talk though like if you're trying to roast someone like that's a good [ __ ] talk line yeah and just to add on to it I I I'm a contractor so I'm also technically required to get it and I didn't get it so there's very many ways around it and I I just know what I'll say from personal direct experience is there way less people than you think that were required ended up getting it just a heads up so it is not actually a thing where like everybody had to get it like the what the mainstream media projected with respect to that relative to what actually happened huge disparity okay um anyhow uh Ashton I I just looked on my Windows PC and when someone's ified on Twitter they got a blue check mark next to their name would you be willing to go onto a live stream and show those and then click through to show that that's an actual legit Jo Rogan account already did this what I love about you guys like I I already like you guys now you guys I just asked a question before you start I'm not vaccinated so leave me alone all right before you discount my opinion I'm not discounted because of that I'm discounted because I have literally already showed it on my live stream that's going on right now so I'm I'm already several love giving you guys so you click through and it showed that it's actually Joe Rogan's account right it's not like a fake account it's 100% him and yes I love giving you guys rope to just hang yourselves cuz everybody in this community for some reason loves to hang themselves it's just I don't get it but just go for it you guys all right anyways I think area 50 whatever is jealous of Ashley that's what I think don't forget to follow Sky News I don't know Ashton Forbes as a liar I do not know him as a liar I have not known him as a liar as well to be fair he's never lied to me as far as and that's why I trust him and talk to him to this day this was a good conversation though I really do even though Chris you know had left a couple times um I do appreciate the conversation we've had around this I think it's important to get the discussion out there uh get everybody's sides out there because this is how we break down and get to the truth right and this is what keemstar came in here to do right there's so much [ __ ] in this community and finally we can get people in the same room together and talk through the ideas and get the information out there where the people that are listening there's 164 people listening right now where they can listen to it and come to their own conclusions based on what's going on so thank you very much everybody all right guys listen Ashton Forbes wasn't the last news of the week the whole point of this show is to go through the UFO news of the week so red take over with the next story Ashton Forbes held us up for two hours straight go and and uh uh feel for me guys Ashton is leaking DM's live so I'm also trying to manage that but um here we go the last news story of the week that was kind of perating was appears Lou alzando was in DC this week speaking with lawmakers and we heard that from two different lawmakers and this comes to us via ASAP poll so shouts out to them M go support them they're always like in the hallway it seems like whenever Congress people are walking from one meeting to another and they get little tidbits so this first tidbit that let us know elzando was in DC comes from representative burlson who Tupa famously his exclusive expanded um discussion about the Angels after that skiff meeting at the beginning of the year so here's burlson uh speaking about Lou alzando being in DC this week we have L Al where in town oh yeah you know who he is right yeah he was in town for the um conservative opportunity Society breakfast with Ralph Norman okay so you might talked with Ralph Norman about it really good any takeways um they those guys are from from what they presented of course this is not in the setting they're not under oath but what they presented um if you've ever seen text behind somebody is very similar to what was presenting yeah are we why not I told the emails too I'm working on it right now I've got something up my sleeve I don't want to yeah keep me informed because I've got a big thing that I'm gonna oh nice you related yes watch appreciate you I do have the emails to Okay cool so that was R Burson basically saying that Lou Alando was in town at this conservative uh meeting run by uh Ralph Norman I believe um yes run by Ralph Norman and then today ASO was able to actually uh connect with Ralph Norman and this was that exchange so I heard you had a little visitor yesterday L Alejandro oh yeah that you brought him in what what made you um reach out or get connected with him I had heard one I've heard about it yeah one is's an expert and that's other thing I'm going to bring you back everybody you young people all here particularly because we we've got a real problem this is play land and he told us about the the facts of the matter um about what's happening and uh that too was concerned and he wouldn't give any classified things as you would expect but my God it's been portrayed by the media as a um crazies that are identifying you know unidentified flying objects and um but it's not he uh he's been doing this 30 something years combat but knows very qual I'm GNA have him back in fact we may open it up to everybody else y'all ought to know it everybody should public even D yeah interesting because I heard he corroborated with the whistle blower David testified to interesting you got to realize that he has no he has no reason to do this I mean he has no re he's not getting paid he comes up here free of charge and it's sending us all the slides a lot of it is most of us did not understand other than it's real we have to take we have to know about it American people need to know about it cool so uh what are your guys's thoughts on that while I get these new Ashton DMS posted UFO Shane Alando was in DC talking to lawmakers gassing them up what did you think red panda real quick um just a thinking off the off the cere um how many times has he uh uh spoken under oath uh in front of Congress just real quick I believe zero times I believe zero times as well uh how many times have people spoken under fto and referenced him a couple times at least David grush uh you know if Lando like Lando in my opinion the dude's a liar the dude is uh he didn't run a a UFO program we can play back the programs of him saying that he ran this program uh with no funding that's called a hobby not a big fan of Lando myself um uh I used to be I used to be uh but Lou reviews uh kind of showed me that he was full [ __ ] and uh I looked into it personally and uh just I don't trust a goddamn word that dude says uh not not a big fan not not a big personal fan of Lando uh he he's never you know this dude who has all this knowledge and he and David G is like yeah Lando Man well if you have all this truth to tell then why aren't you the guy in front of Congress why aren't you the guy doing these things these are questions I just ask as a person uh just trying to figure out what the [ __ ] is going on not not a big fan thank you Manny 503 what did you think I know some of those things right are totally uh I could I could imagine you perking up when you heard some of those things that Ralph Norman was saying about Lou and who he was and what he said so what what are your thoughts on Lou and DC I just I'm kind of curious why all the Cloak and Dagger I mean the guy even said it was all unclassified stuff why not tell everybody I mean why all skold nuggy and the lurking around and I mean it doesn't make much sense to me um we don't know what he said behind closed doors although we can kind of guess and I'm not shocked that it would um you know quote unquote cooporate a lot of what Dave grush said because as Bryant Bender said Lou Eland is one of the people who coached Dave grush and so I just don't I don't understand I mean the whole thing seems kind of silly to me where you got grush saying that Lou alzando told him something and then Lou alzando is telling grush something and then they're like look he said it it must be true and they point to each other and you're like come on man like where's the evidence let's just see the evidence and um I guess we'll have to wait and see what comes out of this but it just seems like more positioning by Lou to make himself relevant should been end though because his book's coming out and his movie with Dan faroh's coming out but uh who knows I mean I just don't know what he could bring to the table at this point what's he going to say that he hasn't already said on a 100 different podcasts and documentaries and whatnot and on the TV show well now he's part of the Big Sir story right so you never know tomorrow he might be part of tomorrow he was at Roswell and he could tell firsthand that there was aliens that landed because he was there you know I mean like who exactly man I don't I don't know man I don't know it just seems to get be getting more and more nonsensical every day and you know it just points to how this small group of people are manipulating Congress you know that's all I gotta say about it uh for me I would say every time I see Lando speaking on a public platform has been going on for three hours looking at somebody playing a character could he be telling the truth of course but it's very performative like for sure he is definitely acting yeah like say the leral best [ __ ] detector you can ever find uh admitted to by many other people as keemstar and uh just want to you know take his words to Heart here uh an actor a fake a phony but you know that's just my opinion well I'm not saying he's fake right you could be telling the truth but you could be putting on a performance performance right um I just see a performance every time he speaks I don't see a genuine real person yeah if I could jump in my opinion too um as somebody who's been on the outside and only recently been in this community I look at that thing with luk with um Lou alzando supposedly having given information that supports David grush and here's my two sides of it I think he's telling the truth I think he has seen stuff that is anomal that proves there's at least advanced technology and that either we have it or maybe there are non-human intelligence that are out there just similar to what David grush testified to Congress but at the same time I think he's also controlled I think he's also can't reveal the true nature of it due to his NDA due to the fact that he's been Counter Intelligence which is what he's admitted that he has been and that's why it leads to this real uh dilemma where it's like people think he's lying because to a degree he is he's not telling the full truth truth but at the same time I do think he's telling the truth about the nature of the government hiding advanced technology from us so it's a it's a tough spot to be in right anyone else on the stage Ralph do you have any thoughts on Lou alzando and DC this week real quick uh if Ralph does want to talk you guys may not know Ralph is Ralph um Ralph is Eric Eric is a actual person who goes and actually investigates things in person uh I have a lot of uh love for Ralph um I I agree with what a lot of Ashton had to say actually about uh Lou elzando and uh at the same time I have a lot to agree with what keemstar had to say because his [ __ ] detector is like at the Peak and I'm not trying to suck keem's dick here because I really don't care uh but like why are you doing these things ndas uh and what Ashton said uh government hiding things from you all this stuff exists we know it does not a single [ __ ] in here uh thinks the government's not hiding something from you that has to do with advanced technology uh so yeah that's my opinion on that 503 go ahead oh I just wanted to reiterate I think I touched on this the timing's real suspect you know um like red said you know you've got Lou reinserting himself into the Big Sir case and now all of a sudden he's in he's briefing Congress again it's just really suspicious that's all art we haven't heard much from you any thoughts you think he's up right AR Tony are you up here or actually what about Logan Logan we haven't heard from you go ahead I'm not seen any of these speakers are calling out Keem yeah lagged or broken or something go ahead yeah arst and Tony what do you think about Lando in DC h i mean to me he's always been involved I mean you what I mean I mean I take a lot of heat because he's been on my show twice and somehow I'm because I've had him on my show that I'm I'm not neutral but I kind of agree with Ashton I think um I mean I don't know why it's not obvious to everybody that you know all these people have intelligence backgrounds I it's like it's almost like the word scop or something like that or some kind of intelligence you know program is almost as much of a faux paw now as as saying UFO is have you all noticed that that you can't really you can't say scop anymore but you can say UFO you know it used to be that you know what I mean I don't know it's it's a little confusing but I mean I I think I've always said that I thought Lou was doing a a job and he was probably doing a good job at it we probably don't like what he's doing but you know you know what I mean he's he's I don't understand why we can't see the connection uh from day one with his with his intelligence background David gush's intelligence background I mean all these Pilots don't you know I've got I've had family members that were in the military I've had friend my best friend was in the military and got killed I mean all of these people tell when when they were alive told me they're all on the same team you don't [ __ ] the system you know you got Pilots that are being told what to say I don't I don't really understand why why this is so difficult to be honest with you and what it is is that nobody can be Neal neutral you either have to be on the believer tribe or you have to be on the skeptic tribe but there are some of us in the middle trying to understand what's going on so Anton you're out there good job wow it's late and I'm sleepy but I think Ashton has probably come around probably the best um but I when he was on the show right near the end of the show I felt like you came around to where I understood you better you know about what you think Ashton so yeah I just want to say too like I love Tony man like going on his uh stream was really important I feel like because one thing Tony told me was that you know I've got this completely different perception of you than from when I talked to you and he had people that were like people that knew the science people that knew other people that I've talked to that know the science as well and we had a panel interview on it and those people would have called me out if I was speaking some [ __ ] like Lou reviews says or whatever right and that's the important part is that the scientists and whatever I've talked to they've given me information where it becomes where people can't debunk it right because it actually checks out from the scientific perspective you may not believe it to be true whatever I know it's hard to believe but that's why I love about Tony is that Tony is just a normal guy like me who wanted to talk about the case talk about the science and we had an awesome discussion so when it comes the people that are out there David grush luou alzando Etc I think the approach that we should take is not to assume that they're Liars or that everything they say is true but the reality is there are other humans that can say what they are allowed to say but that they're also being held back by their ndas or other forces whatever it is yeah and that the funny thing about it is is that then you have people who just are like attack dogs like I was in a space what the other night and Stephen cambian was in there and I've never literally ever talked to Stephen Campion and he jumped on me because I had Lou on my show twice and and he's calling it some sort of circle jerk I literally have had people from both sides you know Steven Green Street Mick West I've had all the Believers I've had people I got a guy who worked for space who claimed that he saw a Tic Tac with the pilot in it a human pilot and he was he was a pretty pretty believable guy you know and so I've had people from both sides of the spectrum and I'm just trying to you know some of us are just trying to understand and we're not we're not making any claims we're just you know just trying to be like like you said Ashley just normal humans trying to understand trying to learn as we go and my Show's always been a place where people can come and hang out and you know Brandon fugle came to our New Year's Eve show and he was in Hawaii on vacation he felt comfortable enough to drop in and that's the way I want my show to be I want anybody who who wants to drop in just come on we can talk have a civil conversation no drama just just fun we just literally have fun on our shows just you know so anyway sorry to r or sorry sorry to ramble but little tired go go ahead Shane yeah um uh fugle fugle is a real one like uh Fugal is a uh I talk to Fel a lot he's a good [ __ ] dude uh I'm dealing with my own personal things with uh skm Ranch and everyone knows that uh and on Art I've listened to your show a lot and uh i' you sound just like I thought you'd sound man just a regular [ __ ] dude trying to figure the [ __ ] out and uh that's the thing too is like uh people believe what they're gonna believe and uh there's nothing wrong with platforming that belief and I've had to come to that terms myself um I love Stephen cambian I'm a big fan of his uh but he gets a he gets jaded for sure about this stuff um man I I don't know uh when it comes to lulando you know you go into uh a government organization they train you for years you are a part of it and then you come out of it and then I need to trust you can't do it I I just can't do it because I understand thisinformation I understand where the stuff comes from and it's just weird to me uh that we all hate the government we all distrust the government but someone has worked for the government for 20 30 40 whatever [ __ ] years and then they're like oh they retired though and they're telling us the truth and I think what Keem said really like uh man h i mean Keem you just said right you just said I I he I feel like it's a act it's it's like actors right it's an actor that's what an act is and I've had the same [ __ ] detector go off for me you know I've had the [ __ ] detector go off multiple times and people have told me Shane you're being an [ __ ] you're being a [ __ ] and then I turn out right nine times out of 10 and uh when it comes to Lou don't trust him I don't trust him as far as G throw I've talked to Jeremy mcowan and uh I believe Jeremy McGowan's claims about his wife saying hey uh we need new cabinets and uh you have this government contract why aren't you getting more money and then Lou being in in the in the basement or whatever is saying uh I I having these psychic R viewing abilities and your wife is going to get addicted to heroin or whatever think one of those combos happened before this Washington DC tour no I'm just hey I don't want to sh don't the the broad idea of somebody going to Washington DC and lobbying politicians about this issue I support so although Lou might I might might have my own issues with Lou that I don't want to like that's good good on you Lou I hope Ashton does that that's what's weird though that's what's weird though I just want to be on record I don't know if Lou is telling the truth or lying I really don't but I do know that every time he speaks publicly that is not who that person is that person is acting that is performative could be giving you factual information he could be giving you factual information he could be telling the truth everything he could say everything he says could be the truth but he we all do don't we all do that though ke Keem I mean I'm a design Bill contractor I don't talk to my customers the same way I talk to my subcontractors you know but you're you're not on national news though dude well one thing I want to say about actually gets uh gets a lot of [ __ ] for getting a lot of [ __ ] wrong in this community right but when Jeremy Corbell is speaking I'm not looking at someone who's acting right I I can clearly tell what the things that Jeremy Corbell is saying he truly believes like that's the difference I just feel like when you're on the national stage you do have to you have to present yourself a little differently actually like Lou when when I was talking with him you know he has you know he's just a he's a personable guy he's he's easy to like and I can separate that part of Lou from his job you see I have I have friends who have jobs I don't necessarily like that much but I can separate them you know as a person from their job and I think that art art art real quick though isn't that what a disinformation agent would do though is be personable and talk to no I feel someone yeah but I feel like if someone is trained to do that and art I love you man I'm just saying I'm not trying to disagree with you I know I'm just saying yeah obviously he hasd no I know he's a CIA guy right I mean he's that's that's that's his life that's his you just said that I talked to him I liked what he had to say he was very personable that's what they train them to do though yeah guys guys I'm sorry to cut it short but I 503 and move on to the last story of3 no more screenshots needed yeah I wanted to just comment on a couple of things that Tony had said I'll keep it brief um Tony you talked about being in a space with stepen cambian and you felt like he had attacked you and I was actually listening to that space and I didn't feel like he was attacking you I felt like what he was doing was saying that you weren't really hard pressed and asked to L some hard questions that's all um but then again as you're saying Tony that's not really your stick you're not that invest ative journalist trying to get people to tell the truth and catch people in lies or anything like that like you said you just want people to have a good time and so you're more of like interviewing kind of like a Jimmy Kimmel type interview where it's just kind of light-hearted and you let people say what they want to say so that's you shouldn't be held to a different stand you're not Walter [Music] kronite right all right let's let's move on with the week with the news so we can wrap this up and by the way we're going to have an Afterparty over at UFO Shane Place go ahead R okay so the last thing um was this little good trouble show whatever and Mick West and that happened today well uh let me see where up in the nest is it there it is okay I'll just put it up in the net so it's fresh again so the exchange goes um basically MC West had offered to debate Matt Ford because Matt Ford and um Rob Heatherly and I think in part like Lou alzando Lando put out an official statement about this whole thing so he's kind of in the mix too uh they've been on this uh campaign for a few weeks now basically accusing Wikipedia uh and this group within Wikipedia called the gorilla SKS of Wikipedia of unfairly um manipulating the Wikipedia pages around different UFO personalities and cases amongst them Lou alzando Ross colart So for a few weeks now Rob Heatherly and Matt Ford from the good trouble show have been like going on their show and uh providing some interesting evidence right there like a group called The Gorilla Skeptics that uh edits Wikipedia Pages now the discrepancy lies on like if you think they're being fair or not fair um and then today um Mick West had previously said he wanted to debate Matt Ford about these issues and Matt Ford today declined saying hi Mick I appreciate your offer but I think you you and the gorilla Skeptics have done enough damage to National Security that I don't need to give you guys another platform so that was kind of the Talk of the Town today was now the the map Ford narrative has elevated to where Mick West and also it's important to note Mick West denies being this this lucky Louie account that they're accusing all this stuff of doing which we've also covered on Sky R news um so he completely denies doing that but there is an interesting tidbit where I do think mcwest actually is banned from Wikipedia for using so puppet accounts so there is a little bit of mck West Wikipedia history there but yeah that was the exchange that happened today basically the new development was Matt Ford is calling Mick West and the girlilla Skeptics a threat to National Security so I'll open up to the room there UFO Shane yeah uh I think that was literally the worst response in the last year uh it was horrible uh Matt Ford is he dude Matt Ford couldn't come in here and tell you about hop goblins he couldn't tell you about a goddamn single UFO case I mean I promise you uh I guarantee you I've listened to some of his shows they're terrible uh it's just all propaganda which is what the name of the show is he can't tell you a goddamn thing about this topic he just follows the narrative and and the [ __ ] uh and I think that like you know Keem has a [ __ ] meter I probably Keem hasn't even bothered listening to this goddamn garbage uh but you know Mick West has a higher platform than Matt Ford and he's like oh you're a gorilla skeptic I was like what the [ __ ] is a gorilla skeptic I've talked to mcwest in voice chat and in DMS probably a hundred times and he's always been very respectful uh even though I didn't believe what he believed and uh it was ridiculous it was dumb and uh I feel like Matt Ford should be ashamed he should be ashamed for making such a response he should be like literally was it was ridiculous like you know like people want to thank you Shane thank you now we got another interesting perspective because Ashton Forbes is in the house and Mick West has refused to debate you I think right so what is your take on this whole thing I mean arst and Tony's even up here as well right so he's dodged debates where he's been invited three different times on the uh investigate Earth podcast they were up here earlier I think it was the UAP podcast with Steven Diner or deer I don't know how to say his last name um that he dodged that one as well and he dodged as well the um people I find interesting podcast with Artisan Tony who's up here as well and instead actually AR and Tony had told me I hope this doesn't betray your confidence Artis and Tony that Mick West was emailing him about different debunks that he wants me you know Tony to bring up to me as opposed to facing me directly which is frankly just coward in general now with respect well I mean to be to be fair to him he I don't think he he was just he was telling me why he didn't he was more or less telling me why he didn't want he was he was going at it from the angle that um because he found it ridiculous RS kind of kind of that but it wasn't that he was trying to get me to communicate directly I'm not trying to take up for Mick I just don't want to misrepresent what he you know what he said but um it was kind of like that I mean obviously he didn't want to debate he didn't want to come the show and I was disappointed because he's he's always come on the show when I've asked him to so I don't know he was he was being a bit I don't know I was disappointed about that one um that would have been I thought I thought you all see you both are respectful to people that are you know when you're when you're treated with respect you guys are you know respectful to each other and I thought it would be a great show but I don't know I think sometimes yeah Mick I mean he gets in he gets in these mood sometimes that it's hard to predict what he's going to say you know yeah and you know if I don't want to get too much into the mcwest stuff but in general I'm respectful to people as well on every podcast I've done so many at this point that you can look at and you can see um my true opinion on this whole thing with the Wikipedia edits I looked into it I dug into it as an investigator I dug into it he did get banned in I think 2007 where he had been using alternate accounts his excuse was after he had already been caught and banned then he said oh well I'm going to stick to my one account after this point going forward which is kind of a cop out I think Keem Stark could even you know from knowing how people act when they get caught out on stuff is you're typical you got caught you're guilty and you said oh well I didn't want to know I didn't want people to know that I was on my real account then right like that's all [ __ ] I've never used any fake accounts ever even though I get accused of it on Twitter on Reddit everywhere else never use any fake accounts right people that do that that's duplicatus that's that's deceptive you should never do that Mick West got caught on it frankly he needs to just come out and admit it and and then be done with it because now people are going and going he could be this lucky Louie Etc it's probably not that from digging into it and digging around the people that are around mcwest he's got this cult building around him and they'll do his bidding right and I think that I've seen that from the MH370 case and that's what I think's going on with respect to the Wikipedia edits there's this Guerilla Skeptics group that does his bidding they have they're either in a Discord together there's some kind of group chat communication and it's not a matter of being directed to do it but they talk to one another they know one another and that's how they're making those edits on Wikipedia I'm 100% certain well Ashton to be fair uh 2007 was 17 years ago uh so over two decades uh if you want to be like round up uh Twitter didn't exist then uh I love you man but you can't really hold that you can't hold somebody back to 2007 that's a long [ __ ] time you just said 2007 uh and also zealots are going to be zealots man uh and people have Zealot it for you the same way they're gonna Zealot for mck West and that's just how this UFO topic goes people are zealots they're True Believers or the true debunkers and that's just how it goes so you can't really you can't hold MC West to the standard of him having zealots when you yourself have zealots I love you man just being honest here this is how it goes you're absolutely right all right guys I'm I'm going to close it up I just want to say no one gives a [ __ ] about Wikipedia like if you're sitting there your mind over Wikipedia if you're losing your mind over Wikipedia you're clearly getting a discount at McDonald's on your coffee because you're a senior citizen nobody under the age of 40 years old trust or use Wikipedia it's like literally like Reddit like Wikipedia is like Reddit it's like a form where someone can go over there and post some [ __ ] about something and then someone else can say oh no actually I think it's this it's like it's not trusted I don't know anybody under the age of 40 that trust Wikipedia I don't even know how this is a [ __ ] argument it's not the dictionary it's not like an whatever anyhow thank you guys for joining this week of the weekly Roundup on UFO news and we will be back ands next Friday covering the news uh in the next seven days so I'm really excited um to have you guys back and to have the same type of guest with various opinions so we can give our opinion on the news now the Afterparty is going to be hosted by UFO Shane who will start a space as soon as we end this one go over there if you want even more um and uh thank you guys make sure you follow Skyfire news see you okay guys uh let me pull these off oh boy okay let's get the rid of this stuff okay um thank you guys for being here tonight and going through this so this was a pretty contentious uh stream and space in general I've always been 100% honest including on my streams um today I had to reveal some personal information and I want it to be known that I 100 100% respect our veterans 100% it's so reason why I'm in the industry uh related to health care and related to making the uh experience better for our veterans I've been working with them for several years now and I appreciate all all the people that I work with so with respect to any disagreements that happened tonight or in the past that has nothing to do with the fact that people are veterans the fact that veterans came at me and attacked me and lied about me that's on them as individuals not not against them as veterans or any way shape or form like that so I just want that to be 100% clear because it's a little bit disturbing to me how many of these people are developing fake narratives about me and I've again been 100% excuse me 100% consistent that I'm going to let them build the fake narratives and then I'm going to hammer them down with the truth I did that tonight live on stream to just show them the answer for them is to again first all they need to apologize and they need to stop coming at me there's a no win situation with coming at me because all I'm doing is telling the truth if you're building up these narratives in your head where I'm lying you're going to lose every single time just stop doing it this goes to whatever average Chris whatever this guy's name is local 556 any other rest of these guys that are veterans or whatever I respect your military service stop coming at me it can't make it more clear than that okay so please um and now again thank you guys very much I'm going to join the after space and I'm going to chill out a little bit uh and just hang out I appreciate you guys coming on tonight tomorrow I absolutely promise we will look at the uh science I've got tons of links on the science here on my computer right now I've been looking through them investigating them including unitel um I'm going to post out some stuff related to the investigation tomorrow as well that I've already talked about we've got a lot of stuff coming up and I have two podcasts tomorrow so it's going to be very very busy thank you guys for watching thank you guys for watching Skyfire news tonight feel free to follow them if you're into the UFO Community they're putting out really good stuff I mean we had a great space today with people from both sides it was awesome so have a good night everybody we'll talk again soon