Hard Truths #7 Timothy Alberino - Peru Face Peeler Investigation

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hello everybody this is hard TRS number seven with Ashton Forbes this is the podcast where we get to the hard TRS we ask the questions that uh you don't hear Elsewhere on the media and today my guest is Timothy abrino he is a director writer and producer and investigator recently he has been known for going down to Peru and investigating the Peru um sightings that have been seen there in some of the villages and some of the towns in that area so today what we're going to be talking about is we're going to dig into a little bit of his investigative work and then we will talk about some spiritual philosophical technological uh considerations for Humanity and the evolution of our species so without further Ado I'm going to go ahead and bring up Mr Timothy abrino hello sir thank you for coming on hard truths today how are you doing I'm doing well thanks for having me on Ashton and thanks you for being here uh first thing I want to say right off the bat is that I appreciate your investigative Spirit uh from looking into you you're the kind of person that uh doesn't just accept the information that's been presented to them you you get their hand you get your hands dirty you kind of jump into it and uh you know find out what you know your own uh kind of beliefs based on your own experiences so uh I want to appreciate that from one investigator to another and I want to start by asking you what got you interested in um you know investigating incidents and you know history and uh all the stuff that you've been doing uh the past few years and in your life I would say that my interest in all these topics began when I was 19 years old I when I was 18 years old I dropped out of high school I moved to the Amazon in Peru um and by the time I was 19 I was I was living in the Amazon and that's really when all of this began for me um I had some very interesting experiences very personal experiences that um really set the stage for everything that I'm doing now so I would say that's it goes back to when I was 19 years old I uh I haven't been in the public domain I I I wasn't in the public domain until about I would say maybe 12 years ago 10 years ago um and I for the last decade or so I've been a traveling around the world investigating all kinds of things um things pertaining to ancient history uh LW civilizations Giants megaliths and uh and also uh euphology aliens and UFOs and what got you interested in the Peru situation what was uh how did you get connected to that to the to the one that unfold this this summer yeah um I was um I don't remember exactly how my attention was drawn to that probably through social media I would imagine like everyone else um I remember I I saw one of the videos that came out of the village of San Antonio the pinu yaku and uh it was alarming it was a video of the villagers running around at nighttime with flashlights and they were discharging their firearms in the jungle they were in a state of panic and they were claiming in the video that what they were what they were confronting was not human one of them said um others were talking about beings or people who were who seem to be in possession of advanced technology so it was very intriguing the story itself was very intriguing and I I had lived in close to that region of the Jungle that's called the altto naai and I lived for some period in the in the n on in the altto naai but also adjacent to the altto naai up the river Manan Northeast of the city of eidos this particular incident happened in the village of San Antonio pinu yaku which is West a little bit north and west of the city of aidos but I'm very familiar with that region I learned to speak Spanish there and I speak their particular dialect which is called sharaa which is a mix of Spanish and ketua primarily Spanish so I kind of cut my teeth in that part of the Jungle when I was 19 years old and so being familiar with the area it it it seemed like uh it seemed like appropriate for me to go and and and conduct this investigation I waited for a while to see if someone else would go and do it um I had some things going on and uh so I was waiting to see if somebody was going to go up there and conduct an ex an investigation um subsequent to these incidences which were happening from mid July to the beginning of August uh two police officers two Peruvian police officers from the city of aidos did go and investigate they had a Navy escort and um they conducted what I always describe as a piss poor investigation it was not very well done in fact they walked away with this um absurd story they they literally concocted the story I found out later of these they said that the villagers were being assaulted by by river miners with state-of-the-art jetpacks and I knew when when that story came out I knew that that could not be true for for various reasons um and so it just sort of it it it it created another layer of Mystique over this situation that was unfolding in the proving Amazon and then I saw the Press both the Peruvian press and the American Press ran with that story and it was just case closed we know that it was you know miners with jet C they art jetpacks and nothing to see here anymore let's move on and that really bothered me because I knew that wasn't true so long story short I decided to mount an expedition and I I I chartered a riverbat I was fortunate to have my friend Doug Thorton who was a ex infantry Marine DHS operator joined me I Conta conted The Village um thanks to my colleague ethologist Ronnie vernett helped me get in contact with the village and I talked to the chief of the village yapu and actually I received an official investigation from the village to go and conduct the to conduct my investigation uh I received an offical invitation so um all I I also found out that the villages that the village was in Dire Straits in regard to their supplies they were running low on supplies because they were not going out out into the jungle to harvest uh from their farms uh or hunt they were living in a state of Terror they were patrolling their Village continually every single night um and so we were able to also turn it into kind of a humanitarian effort and and we were able to supply thanks to my friends from conduit Church Pastor Darren Tyler and and and jam Brandenburg and some of the guys from conduit Church they helped me co-fund the Expedition and we were able to bring them supplies food and medical supplies and also strategic technology we brought them because we knew that they were conducting these patrols every night to protect their Village from these strange as salant so we brought them high powerered flashlights we brought them um we brought them uh thermal binoculars night vision goggles with recording capabilities and radios so um and I don't know if you want me just to get into what we discovered or or so I so a couple quick questions on on some of the stuff that you just mentioned there first of all why do you think you're the only person who went to investigate I mean I know that the police or whatever did this investigation came up with this miners with jetpack story which I'll be honest I don't think it's absurd as well I think that uh you know it it seems at least as plausible as this idea that there's people with advanced technology in my mind but uh you know I guess maybe I'm not the normies out there so what is your thoughts though on why you know why you why did nobody else go out there and do it because I think that that's something I've noticed as well is that especially in this age of social media everybody wants to commentate but nobody wants to get their hands dirty no one wants to get out there and do the work so what are your thoughts on that yeah I I was kind of surprised when I went to the Village I found out that aside from those two police officers we were the first people to come and conduct an investigation now there are some interviews floating around online where you have Peruvian journalists interviewing some of of the people they were interviewing the girl Talia the 15-year-old girl who was there was an attempt at abduction they tried to abduct her so I had seen these interviews and had and had assumed that these interviews were conducted in the village not so the interviews were conducted in eidos no one had gone to the Village um and the reason why no one had gone to the village is because it takes two days to get there up the river it's very remote in fact it's it's pretty much the last Village there's a tiny village associated with the village of San Antonio um that's sort of like a satellite Village connected to it but San Antonio the pinu yaku is the last outpost of civilization before a vast expanse of Amazon jungle go stretching all the way up um to Ecuador and uh Colombia in the north so it's very remote it's it's not easy to get to and and it's you know it's the Amazon you're deep in the Amazon so it's not it's not a very comfortable trip and also add in add in the the the additional element of danger because you don't know what you're going to find up there I certainly didn't know if we were going to discover that these were cartels drug traffickers human traffickers we had had no idea what we were going to find so there's an element of danger as well and I think all of that dissuaded anyone from going and conducting an investigation also you need to speak Spanish and you need you need at least to be familiar with the dialect or have somebody with you who's familiar with the with to really be able to communicate with these people so all of those factors I think were in inhibitive of of other people going and getting the job done awesome yeah and what about you mentioned uh you know the mainstream media's reporting on this is this miners with jetpacks and what what are your feelings in General on the way the media reports incidents like this and how do you think they could do better in the future well I I can't believe that the media ran with that story because in the beginning the pro press was taking this story very very seriously it was Gravely serious the way that they're reporting it I was quite surprised they weren't ridiculing the J the the villagers they weren't even doubting the story it was it was it was creating quite a bit of fear in Peru at the time um and trapid and so when the when the jetpack story came out it sort of assuaged everyone's fears and it it it it it provided a pro answer that I think a lot of people were hoping for and it and what really surprised me wasn't that the Peruvian press ran with this explanation with this concoction what really surprised me was that the American Press ran with it even news Nation who broke the story with David grush and and has been very bold in reporting UFO related stories just ran with the jetpack minor story case closed it was miners with state-of-the-art jetpacks with no contacts with with no understanding of whether or not that is even feasible um they didn't bring in anyone like myself who who's lived in the area or familiar with with the Amazon proving Amazon and The Villages and it it it was uh I was quite surprised and disappointed with IM media even with these alternative media sites like news Nation so uh I can I can only say that the reason why the American Press ran with the story is because that's what the Peruvian press confirmed yeah so um just as a a rundown and I want you to correct me when I I kind of go through this a little bit if there's anything I got wrong here is that the uh locals there believed that these were similar to these uh be called the face peelers that these people or whoever was harassing them were on uh like essentially equivalent of circular hoverboards that seem to have some type of anti-gravitational technology or capabilities uh but they also had some type of boots I believe that they were using as perhaps uh kind of a mechanism to turn it off or on that there were some Advanced Aerospace vehicles that were similar to an acorn shape if they were to be turned on their side and I think I even read something about or saw something about there being some scanning capabilities out there um what do you I mean in my opinion from what I've gleaned from your investigation these people were terrorized I think there's no doubt in my mind that people were terized out there what do you think it really was that was going on well the people the the communities out there in the jungle they do believe that this is the face peeler phenomenon that these are the face peelers and the face peelers the face peeler phenomenon is it's about it goes back to the 80s back to the mid 80s so it's a few decades old and it when I lived in the jungle I heard about the face peelers and basically it's sort of an old it was an old wives tale where they would tell their their children for example don't go out in the jungle at night or the face peelers will get you and the face peelers um they're they're called face peelers because people every now and again would would end up missing in the jungle and then they would discover their bodies and they would they would be missing part of their face um and usually it's very clean cut so we're not talking about depredation from animals or piranas or something like that it's a laser Precision um and so this was always as I said sort of like an old a fairy tale an old wives tale and um but the people in the jungle absolutely believed it was true and if you were to ask them who are the these face peelers you you would get different answers basically one of two answers some people are going to tell you their Gringos with advanced technology and I'm talking about the native communities they're going to tell you they're Gringos with advanced technology that are here or organ harvesting or whatever and and some people will tell you that they're non-human entities they're aliens or some sort of non-human creature uh with advanced technology so you get a mix of both and some people tell you that that they think it it could be both of those things combined and and again when I say some people I'm talking about the communities themselves in this case in San Antonio de pinu yaku we're talking about the iitu tribe this is a very old Amazonian tribe very important old Amazonian tribe the kitu language is very interesting there aren't many people who speak it anymore um and this Village had had had not pre previously experienced an incursion like this or the or the phenomenon the face peeler phenomenon to this extent or if ever for that matter so this was brand new to them but they were associating associating it with the face peeler phenomenon because uh of the the attempted abduction of the 15-year-old girl named Talia and Talia was it was was she she um went through this very traumatizing incident in which uh in it was it was a evening just after dark she was picking fruit from her tree in her backyard and the fruit fell to the ground she bent over to pick it up and she felt the gentle breeze at her back and she saw the leaves the dry leaves rustling around her and she turned around to see what was causing this Breeze and she saw a an as salent a tall person dressed from head to Foot In Black in a in a black armored bodysuit and he had a helmet on and and the helmet was elongated in the back and the eyes were sort of the ey lenses were almond shaped uh she says they were green others told me they're yellow maybe they're were greenish yellow and this individual this as salent was surfing was surfing on a circular hoverboard platform but there was no noise associated with it she didn't hear anything she felt the breeze um in her backyard there's sort of a golly it's a forested golly there's jungle there and around this little golly this forested golly are other houses so this is in the middle of the village and this individual this ass salent was surfing around the trees he comes up the hill and he lands right behind her and he grabs her from behind and he puts his hand over her mouth and and as and that as this is happening she notices another guy coming up the same same equipment black armor bodysuit elongated helmet he comes up the hill he lands in front of her and grabs her feet and then they proceed to carry her over behind this this that roof chicken coup that's in her backyard and and they long story short without going into all the details they proceeded to to cut her face off they took out a uh what I think is a laser syringe the way she describes it and they began to make an in an incision right here below her jawline and uh she started to struggle and they dropped her they were holding her they dropped her because she started to push up on one of the masks on one of the helmets behind her and as she's pushing up on the helmet he let her go for a minute to try and pull his helmet down and she screamed and all of the neighbors came running with flashlights because they were already in a state of vigilance this wasn't the first incursion this was the first attempted abduction in San Antonio P to yaku but it was not the first incursion into the village so all the villagers were in the state of of vigilance and they were sitting on their porches their patios with their shotguns and their flashlights at the very least their flashlights so when she screamed the moment she screamed her brother and the neighbors came running and I talked to them they saw these asants floating on these hover boards and by the time they got there they were they were dragging Talia by her hair one of them and they dragged up the hill a little bit and when they saw that they were surrounded by the villagers they they maneuvered on their boards to where there was an opening in the trees and then they shot up in the sky and uh tal Talia was left bloodied and and unconscious um it is important to note that Talia there was an anomaly in in I I interviewed many people in the village probably 30 40 50 people in the village and Talia she had a detail that I didn't hear from anyone else she said that she heard the asant speaking one of them spoke in broken Spanish with with a gringo accent and the other one spoke like a Peruvian they were both tall she said they were both taller than me one of them was was exceptionally tall she calls him the Gringo because he had the broken accent speaking in Spanish and the other one she called the Peruvian because he was shorter and he spoke like her and she heard them for example when they were before they cut her neck before they began to make this incision they took out a cream and they mixed this cream with some powder and they well they shot it up her nose with a with a nasal syringe and this sort of put her in an altered state of consciousness and then they took out another they took out another tube of cream and they began to smear it all over her face and it made her face go numb before they began to cut it and she she said she heard them the one saying to the other be careful don't put too much on her face it'll ruin the Flesh and she said what they meant was that it would make it difficult for this to separate the skin from the tissue beneath and so she says she heard them speaking now Talia was very traumatized she had severe PTSD and was trembling like a leaf the entire time I was talking to her she very very traumatized young lady um so I don't know if she actually heard them speaking or if she confabulated them speaking I don't know but if they're speaking Spanish especially broken Spanish then these are human beings maybe something a little more interesting than that but but very likely human beings um and you mentioned this technology that they have so apart from the apart from these hoverboards which are not this is not conventional technology we're not talking about propellers this is not propellers there's some other kind of Technology here unconventional technology because it's silent and and it's it just does not conform to the propeller technology the the drones that people surf on that you can find online um and apart from that they also have they're also in possession of what I would describe as advanced Aerospace Vehicles you mentioned they they they look like um they look like acorns on their side so they're they're they're narrower in the front and they and they w widen out in the back these vehicles they're about the size of a small aircraft like a private jet or a large helicopter like a shinook or a Blackhawk helicopter but they're completely silent except for when they move away they make a lowf frequency humming sound um I had various villagers draw these craft in the dirt for me they all drew the same thing and and one individual who had a really remarkable story he drew the craft on an acrylic board for me and this individual he was pulling pulling up his Nets at 3:00 a.m. and it was Pitch Black outside and suddenly he said it was like someone turned the lights on or the sun came up it was everything was illuminated around him and he was looking at the water and he saw there's something bright above him so he looks up and he sees this craft this acorn-shaped craft he's looking straight up at it it has it does not have any Wings it doesn't have any propellers any propulsion to any propulsion systems to speak up of it has these little Nubs in the place of wings like rounded protrusions that as he was observing this craft those Nubs opened up they they opened up and they deployed there was a series of Lights as if it was scanning and it it was there for quite for quite a while at least like a minute or two he's looking at this craft and and and what was really interesting about his testimony test testimony was the craft that he saw was transparent he said it had like a sort of a mesh uh fuselage like some sort of mesh like material that you could see through and in fact he saw two people inside he saw somebody like in the cockpit area and another person sitting in the middle and again multiple villagers described this craft to me and they saw it they would they all saw it about you know 30 40t above their head in some cases it was just hovering above some of the houses in the village and in this case it was hovering hovering above the river and so obviously whoever these asants are are in possession of unconventional advanced technology there's no question about it this is not propellers by the way the people in this Village this Village is unique San Antonio pinu yaku is unique because there's a there's a Communications Outpost that the provincial government built in in in the village and that Communications Outpost has has an Internet satellite Uplink and so if you go there in the evening you're going to find some of the villagers sitting in the in the government building watching movies on YouTube or whatever uh so these guys are not uninformed they're very much aware of Pop Culture they know exactly what helicopters are they see military helicopters from time to time flying around because they're going out there to uh run missions against the drug traffickers and so they they know what a helicopter is they know what it sounds like they know what planes are planes routinely fly over the village a small aircraft um you know like Cessna planes um they watch movies they they watch all the they watch all the same movies we do the Marvel movies and all this they they know what a propeller is they know what a jet engine is and sounds like and so when they're describing the technology it's not like you know ignorant native people who are describing an a conventional airplane but they don't know how to describe it no no that's not what we're talking about these people are as informed with pop culture they know what the world looks like as much as we do they're using internet they have social media accounts so um that's important uh to uh to delineate that because you know some people may say well these they're probably just seeing a helicopter and they think it's you know they don't understand what they're looking at that is not the case I can ensure everyone they are describing Advanced Aerospace Vehicles unconventional technology without question yeah people love their prosaic explanations too right they love to come up with something oh it's some balloons it's a helicopter it's Chinese lanterns really anything except for something that may be uncomfortable to people in general so a couple just kind of clarification points on that one question that I I'm not sure if you got an answer to Is did they say when they were scanning this this uh I'm going to just call it a UFO because that's I guess what it is by technicality um did they say what color the lights were when they were scanning by any chance yes he did um I'd have to go back and look at the video but I if I recall I want to say they said blue red and white I think okay I think they were consistent the colors were consistent on the on the boards because the the discs had had a series of lights around them too in fact when these incursions would begin when these episodes would begin where these asants would come into their Village it would begin by them seeing these like saucers flying around Sky silently just flying around hovering over the village but if they were to take their flashlight and put it and and Flash up at the saucer if it was close enough they'd see the silhouette of a person on top right so so these guys were are are are floating above flying around above the village on these saucers and the saucers have the capability to completely stop you know to be stationary in the air with no sound and then the asants would go land in the jungle between the opening in the trees and they would either walk into the village or some of the villagers told me a few of the men told me they were floating and I said you mean on the discs and they said no no they were just floating off of their shoes they had these they had these little discs on the bottom of their shoes that project a light and they can float like a meter off the ground a few guys told me this in fact one of the guys said he said listen I was standing here I went to all the locations right where they were in these guys and they walked to me through the encounters he said I was standing here and it was just after dark and I had my flashlight and I saw one of them here I put my flashlight on him and he was right there in front of me and I'm telling you he was floating on he had discs on the bottom of his shoes not to not to be con confused with the with the uh with the uh hoverboard disc like I'm talking about two discs on the bottom of his on their of their boots or Footwear and he said he was just floating there and I he said I shot him Point Blank Range with the with my 16 gaug shotgun and he fell back on his back so the blast knocked him back but then he just hopped back up in the air resumed floating and moved away and and the guys tell me that when they would shoot these to shoot the asants they would hear the the shotgun BB's dinking off of their body armor um and they set up traps around the village as well they set these traps up they take these tubes and they put put a shotgun cartridge in it and they have a firing mechanism like a hammer mechanism when the Rope is triggered and they use it they use these traps to catch small game but they modified them they modified the bird shot and they melt the bird shot down and they make they make uh bigger BB's so they make slugs out of them right and they made these slugs they modified the bird shot so each each canister uh had a a few slugs in it maybe four slugs in it and they raised up the they raised the traps up so that would be the level of the knee at the at the knee height right to try and literally take these guys out at the knees with these traps and and they told me that they would hear they set nine of them up they would hear the traps going off at night and then they'd go to check them they'd go check them out and and The Traps were triggered and they would see the footprints of the as salant which were two discs on each side so two circles that's what and they were very large they said the footprints but but there was no blood there was no shrapnel almost as if these guys were just triggering the traps for fun right these asants um in fact these traps are very dangerous one of the ladies accidentally walked into one and it blew a hole in her thighs previous to our visit W so anyway um we're dealing with you know a physical phenomenon and uncon unconventional technology that I I know and that I can confir confirm Yeah well yeah I mean uh I have no difficult time believing in advanced technology my personal opinion which I've put out there is that I absolutely believe that there is advanced technology that's out there that's unknown to the vast majority of the world in general so am I correct in assuming that your opinion then is that these were humans with advanced technology and this is not aliens or anything like that and then what would you say their motive then is are they trying to harvest people or just terrify people um and then lastly how long do you think this uh was going on I think I heard that there hasn't been any more incidents since you went there but if you can clarify any of that feel free I cannot say for certain who the asants are if in fact they spoke broken Spanish one of them as Talia according to talia's testimony then we're dealing with humans um and we're probably dealing with a mix of gringos and and locals local maybe paramilitary guys um we could be dealing with a mix we could be dealing with a a a cooperation a co-op between human and non-human factions of course that that seems Fantastical but it is within the realm of possibility considering the kind of Technology on display in these incidents um it it it's definitely not miners with jetpacks it's not cartels and this is simply by way of logical deduction if the if theoa cartel for example Mexico had the kind of Technology that's being deployed in the jungle of of Peru we would see it they wouldn't hesitate to use it they would certainly use it against the Mexican military there's they they they have the cartels have military weapons grade ammunitions there's no question about it they have weapons grade equipment uh military weapons grade equipment but they don't have advanced Aerospace Vehicles they don't have anti-grav gravity technology they don't have the kind of stuff that these villagers are encountering um so there are aspects of this phenomenon that seem very human to me for example aside from this Village I also I I investigated a couple other incidents one in um the the city not Village city of natta 30 35 36,000 inhabitants and the reason why that is important that detail is because a lot of people are out there saying that these are cartels or miners who are just trying to drive the these villagers off their land and the jungle so that they can Harvest Gold or something like that but we know that's not true because there were the same the same sort of phenomena phenomenon was taking place in the city of NAA which is a couple hours down the river towards eidos 35 36,000 inhabitants they're not going to drive those people off their land that's obviously not the purpose here that's not the objective is to drive 35,000 inhabitants out of aun City these people have been there for for centuries and that's just illogical something else is going on they're after something else and I I talked to a a man named Pablo young man named Pablo from a different village in a different part of the approving Amazon uh it's Southwest of the village of San Antonio pinu yaku and it's near the city of yui magas and this individual they encounter the same phenomenon they saw the guys on the discs black armored bodysuits elongated helmets same dudes right and this guy said he was taking a bath in the river and suddenly heard he heard people yelling padas padas face peelers face peelers and he comes running out he's got a towel around his waist he grabs his flashlight and his shotgun and he be begins to pursue a couple of these guys on foot they're running through the jungle he's running behind them and he gets close enough he shoots he discharges his shotgun and he hits one and again he hears the dinking off of their off of their body armor but he said I think I hit their propulsion system whatever it is which is probably in their shoes um these guys were not on the disc they were just running into the that these guys were by the way they might have exoskeletons they might have exos suits as well um because they're all described as being inhumanly agile the way they can move through the jungle so I'm think thinking maybe maybe we're dealing with EXO suits here um but he shot one of them and he must have hit the propulsion system because this guy this as salent was having a hard time lifting up into the air and so Pablo when he saw that this guy's having a hard time getting off the ground he charged him and he tackled him he grabbed he got around the waist and as soon as he grabbed the guy around the waist and he said the guy was lifting off of the ground as he's holding him he's holding him down and he said that the this this face peeler guy he took out this he said it was like a mini flashlight he said it was a laser and he hit him with the laser and Pablo instantly went unconscious and his dad and and some of the other guys um found him and and and revived him and and since since that incident he's had heart troubles so um this a very this is a very tactile tangible phenomenon that smacks that that seems to me to be a a a a human encounter um but but I can't say for sure it my working hypothesis is we're dealing with we're dealing with human very nefarious human beings in possession of advanced technology what are they doing what are they harvesting well apparently they are trying to harvest faces because there was a boy near the city of NAA who previous to our visit uh was was rescued in the same sort of scenario um he unfortunately sustained deep lacerations on both sides of his neck very very gruesome uh I posted that video on my Twitter account and it's hard to find online where it's not blurred I found the one where it's not blurred and very very gruesome very deep he almost died he almost bled out they were able to rush him to the hospital in ALA they saved his life um and he says it was a face peeler ass salt and that's what everybody says so so are these the face peelers of you know of legend in the jungle or or is this a group of individuals who want everyone to think they face peelers as cover for something else that they're doing I I tend to think that because with all this technology that they obviously have why is it so difficult for them to accomplish the mission and harvest faces um I feel like they just want to scare people and they want they want the people to think that they're the face peelers of Legend when in fact something else is going on there's a different operation underway in the jungle that and they don't want people to to catch wind of that they want everyone to think that this is the face peeler phenomenon that's sort of my working hypothesis however having said that um in the city of Na I found out that the people of NAA who experience the same phenomenon the guys on the discs dressed in black uh they also had flying saucers hovering over their Village so you know the typical saucer so that's that's what makes me wonder if some if there's some sort of a cooperation happening here between human nefarious human and non-human forces entities again that sounds Fantastical but um but it's it's within the realm of possibility at least as far as I'm concerned yeah and I like i' to keep my mind open uh to any possibility in general out there especially related to this UFO phenomenon I mean if we have anti-gravitational Tech and other technology that uh can do stuff that we consider to be magic then I think we really have to consider all possibilities and so that's why I I really like your investigation because you know you've considered all avenues you clearly seem to be going into this with an open mind uh not really with necessarily any bias what I would say is have you seen you know you've done other types of Investigations you've traveled potentially the world have you ever seen anything similar like this ever before yes I have actually Brook Park Ohio I I grew up in Brook Park Ohio um and moved away went and lived in Peru and then I came back to live for a short period of time Brook Park is a suburb of Cleveland the city of Cleveland I came and I was living in Cleveland for a couple of years before I moved out to Montana after living having lived for a decade in the Amazon in in um in Peru um and when I was living during this period of time that I was living in park it was in my 30s early 30s actually my late 20s um I to give a little background here I I would often walk over to my my brother-in-law's house Tony and he and I would lift weights in his basement together and the topic of our conversation was more often than not related to UFOs aliens reverse engineered technology crash retrievals this sort of thing Bob Lazar you know Element 115 this was the the topic of our conversation most of the time and in fact there was one particular evening where we were talking about these things and my brother wanted to run over to to the GNC store and buy some supplements and it was going to close soon so we decided to jump in the car it was in February don't remember the date it was in February it was very cold very windy we jumped in my car we drove over to the suburb of Brook Park again where I grew up to the brook eight shopping uh the strip mall the brook eight shopping strip mall and um it was around I know the store was closing like at 9 or 9:30 and we were like it was probably like 8:45 or something we're approaching nine when we arrived and as we're approaching the the brook a shopping complex uh we saw something hovering like a craft hovering over the building on the corner of the complex it was just hovering there and our first thought was that the National Guard is running a a a training exercise because there's a National Guard base not far from there and so that was our first thought and uh we instinctively we rolled down the windows of the car because we thought we would we would hear that ta Telltale sound of blades whipping through the air right for helicopters because these were obviously large helicopters whatever it was it was a shinook or Blackhawk or something like that we heard nothing and so we looked at each other like okay this is something interesting I pulled into the parking lot there was hardly anybody there cuz all the stores were closed in and it was very cold I just pulled in the middle of the parking lot threw the car into park because this craft that was hovering over the corner store it it it lifted off higher into the air and it just turned very gently on its AIS began to move toward me and then it moved above a little bit in front of my car and began to descend it got about 30 or 40 feet Max above my car and it just hovered there and it was shaped short of it sort of had a a Delta shape no not Delta like a diamond shape to it I don't remember exactly it definitely came to sort of a rounded point in the front and it had the stubby protrusions on the side it didn't have wings it had these stubby protrusions just like they described in in San Antonio pinu yaku in fact it maybe it was the same thing it might have been the very same kind or or something similar to that Aerospace vehicle that they were describing in the in the jungle I had a good long look at it it had um it had sort of a angular uh body armor like um a grayish like a grayish green it was hard to tell nighttime it sort of had like a grayish green angular body armor much like the the uh f17 Nighthawk stealth fighter um but it wasn't shaped like the stealth fighter didn't have wings but it had sort of that angular body armor and it it had these triangle lights they were triangles and they were white and it had a series of of I believe blue and green lights around the fuselage the thing was just hovering there completely silently it was about the size of a large helicopter no propulsion system to speak of no propellers no engines nothing completely silent it was so windy that night that my car was shaking back and forth like this with the gusts of wind right this thing was completely unmoved as if it was in its own gravitational bubble as if it was in as if it was in its own atmosphere completely unmoved and we we got a good long look at this thing I could have hit it with a rock it was that close to my car and ultimately I had a flip phone back then my my brother-in-law had a had a smartphone and so I I said Tony your phone your phone and and he sort of shook his head like he was coming out of a days and he started to to feel for his phone and he found it in his pocket he started started to pull it out and he dropped it and when he dropped it on the floor he fumbling it for it cuz it's dark in the car he grabs it picks it up you know trying to pull up his camera and when he gets it up like this the the craft just lifts up into the air and starts to move away we jumped out of the car and it was so cold and windy we couldn't believe that this thing was just smoothly gliding away no sound no propulsion system so is that what these guys saw in the jungle is that what the villagers of San Antonio and Villages by the way uh were encountering it very well may be the stubby protrusions in the place of wings really stood out to me in their testimony that's what I saw so I know without a shadow of a doubt that somebody has advanced unconventional Aerospace technology without a shadow of a doubt unconventional no propellers no jet engines it's using a different kind of physics there's a different there's different laws of physics that we haven't you know that even the physics professors at Harvard have no idea exists there's there's exotic elements like Element 115 that Bob Lazar talks about that don't come from planet Earth that we can't reproduce that have anti-gravitational properties in that and can create antimatter for example so um I think these craft are creating sort of like a gravity bubble around them they're within their own atmosphere they're probably projecting gravity waves generating gravity waves like Bob Lazar said there's Pro probably time dilation going on when you get close to them because when you distort gravity uh you're distorting space time and so you know all of this technology seems to be uh have the same properties that that I encountered that the that the villagers are encountering in that they're silent in that they can hover in place without propellers and so forth yep yeah and if uh it makes you feel any better I mean this is just my own uh testimony and opinion is that you're absolutely right there are crafts out there that are Defying Gravity I think that either the military-industrial complex or third party contractors or both have this technology and I think that they're potentially hiding it from us um before we move on to the next top absolutely hiding I think they're absolutely hiding it from us uh I just got off the phone with a congressman uh one of the congressmen that was that was in The Briefing the other day and and there's no question that this stuff is being obfuscated um there's so many layers of compartmental ization the you said it right the military-industrial complex what we call the Deep State I call it the dump I call the the level of security the the let's say that the echelon of the National Security apparatus that that that has the technology that's been working with that technology I refer to it not as the Deep uh deep state but as the dumb State because it's deeper than the dumb state of course when I say dumb I'm referring to the deep underground military bases because that's where these things are being developed and the members of Congress even the president does not have clearance to go into these bases and that's where this technolog is being developed the S4 facility for example where laar worked had multiple underground levels and there's no question in my mind that that this element of the military-industrial complex together with certain aerospace companies military defense contractors aerospace companies have been have been recovering and reverse engineering reverse engineering nonhuman Aerospace Vehicles let's call them alien craft and recovering the bodies and probably interfacing with the entities that were alive in some cases from these crash retrievals I have absolutely no problem believing that I think that that that is a factual St statement and I think as the as so in other words I'm affirming uh gush's testimony and as we move forward I think it's going to become more and more apparent that that apparent that that is exactly what has been going on and what is going on and here's the problem I think that the people who are in possession of this technology who who have this let's call it secret Science and Technology are not very good people I think some of the most nefarious human beings on on the face of the planet are the ones who are in possession of this technology Y and so before we go on that because that's actually leading to my next point I just also want to thank you for your humanitarian efforts for helping out the these small towns and Villages right I I know that you brought equipment to them medical supplies Etc like if nothing else like you're actually out there and you're doing humanitarian work so just thank you very much sir for doing that and then I I also want to say that I'm also in full agreement with everything you just said regarding these third party contractors regarding David gush's testimony I think that people that speak to Congress under penalty of perjury should be giving us our highest level of attention I think that the people that are trying to debunk him and say that he's making stuff up or really just doing Humanity a disservice so the question I would ask you along those lines is what does disclosure actually mean to you you know if you had to Define what disclosure means to you what what would you say it is disclosure is what we're seeing happen right now it's it's it's not I mean it can mean anything really it's in in in simple terms disclosure is the Revelation from an official source so go so NASA or the Pentagon or the pope uh Revelation from an official source that that that we have evidence of the existence of of extraterrestrials or non-human entities I mean that ultimately is disclosure but that can happen in many different ways that's the most straightforward way which will probably not H happen for a long time if ever but there are there are other manifestations of that process that can happen and are indeed happening for example I think that since 2017 the Pentagon has been desperately trying to control the narrative the the the so-called UAP narrative because they cannot they have no power the Pentagon the Deep State they have no power to control the phenomenon they cannot control the phenomenon all they can control is our perception of it so they're desperately trying to control the narrative and they're they're losing control to some extent because there's too many encounters now uh there's too many encounters by our our Airmen our our our Navy guys you know the nimit incident the go fast incident the gimbal incident there's dozens and dozens and dozens of these everybody's got cell phones people talk it used to be back in the 90s 80s and 90s that if you were a threat and you were coming out with information they would just kill you they would just kill you um that's not the case anymore now they just discredit you it's easier to discredit you than to kill you at this point um and so that's that's there's there's been a switch in the the an adjustment to that modus operandi by the Deep state by The Dump state in that they're no longer just killing people who are getting too close to the truth they they just discredit them it is so easy to discredit people because of social media and the internet and everything it's it's much or they blackmail you um uh or they threaten you like they did to David grush uh so they can only control the narrative they cannot control the phenomenon and so what we're seeing now is a managed leak we're seeing a managed leak of information they don't want this information to come out but it's coming out so they're trying to control it they're trying to control the pace of How It's leaked a good example of that is you know the the Pentagon was dragging its heels when these congressmen were trying to get David grush in a skiff in that secure environment that so they can brief him directly there was so many questions that he was asked during the hearing that he had to say well I I can't tell you that in this public setting but I'm I'm glad to share that information with you in a skiff and we're talking about questions pertaining to alien bodies right not not just um prosaic things we're talking about the most important questions he's willing to tell them but he doesn't want to go to jail so he'll tell them in this secure uh environment and that had to be approved by various levels of authorities you know uh in in government including at the Pentagon and so what did the Pentagon do they knew that grusia security clearance was expiring so all they did was drag their feet until his clearance expired and then and then the whole thing of a skiff is sort of irrelevant right because he doesn't have a security anymore so so they're managing this leak they're managing the narrative the best they can they're scrambling to do it they're probably injecting a lot of misinformation and disinformation um to confuse to throw out red hearings so people get off of the they they want us not to be focused on uh and whenever I talk to uh anyone involved in government on the Committees and stuff that's what I tell them they they want to keep you unfocused they don't want you to focus on the two things that grush the two claims that grush made that everybody should be laser focused on and that is Crash retrievals of non human craft right of quote unquote spacecraft and and the non-human biologics that are associated with those crash retrievals that right there is what the Deep State the dumb state does not want us to know about or think about or see anything related to um they they any you know grush gave the coordinates for these some of these bases where he believes that they're that these secret um special access programs are being developed that have been underway that was months ago that we heard that he had the coordinates that he had given those coordinates to the Inspector General do you think there's any craft in any of those locations anymore they scrubbed them clean they're gone they're they moved them to some other base so it's going to be a cat and mouse game for Congress to try and get get any get get access to any of these facilities and when they do everything's going to be gone so so this is a long long winded answer to your question we are witnessing some degree of disclosure happening right now the government the Pentagon confirmed that the go fast the gimbal the um the Tic Tac and a handful of other videos were authentic okay that is a tacit admission that the UFO phenomenon is real that's a tacit admission the controversy is over the UFO phenomenon is real and it is and at least some of it does not not have a human origin this I think has all been tacitly admitted by the Pentagon at this point no I agree with you 100% sir and I especially agree about your point about disinformation and how easy it is in today's society to push disinformation people have even been pushing about me and I just came onto this scene a few months ago regarding all of this and you know people listen and this idea that people just adopt other people's beliefs because of peer pressure and the age of social media information gets around it's been incredible to behold just from a firsthand account you know one thing that I would challenge uh your view on although I I still agree with you is that know you've got this uh non-human intelligence alien bodies that are being disclosed by grush as well as crash retrievals but if we were to take it back to you know the um investigation you did in Peru doesn't that lend itself more to the like the technology being kind of what the thing is it's really being being disclosed because in my mind when I think of the military industrial complex I think that what they care about is okay well aliens are here or whatever sure that's going to blow people's minds um you know the technology will have socioeconomic impacts but what about the National Security impacts right like that's the part where I wonder about what is your thoughts on this idea that this technology could lead to if you were to adapt it doomsday weapons weapons of mass destruction that make nukes look like nothing go ahead there's no question about it and there are legitimate concerns by the by the National Security State the last thing we want is and make no mistake about it China has their own programs Russia has her own programs but the last thing we want is for them to get ahead of us with any of this technology because I don't think China would hesitate to use it um and I don't think we would either under certain circumstances or Russia and I believe from what I've heard I have no way to confirm this but it is my it's my personal opinion and and again I think this is a an informed speculation that our programs are quite a bit Advanced compared to the other programs from other nations they have stuff and maybe in certain aspects they've maybe made some Headway that we haven't been able to but we're a little bit more advanced uh we've been doing it longer and they just weren't China wasn't in a position to reverse engineer anything in the 40s neither was Russia was until the collapse of the Soviet Union and then there was no money for those programs anymore so whatever advancements they made were came came to a halt until they were able to rebuild their country so that gave us an advantage and we certainly got way front probably the United Kingdom with whom we' share maybe some of this uh technology with we probably don't share much of it with anyone and I'm not sure that we should but so there are some legitimate National Security concerns here um there's there I'm sure even if we were to have disc disclosure there probably are certain things that shouldn't be disclosed um that should be you know some information that the that the US military should hold close to its vest but the but the disclosure of the I'm going to call it the alien presence is does not in and of itself cause are aware this this is nothing new to them so the fact that that is being hidden that's against us that they're hiding that from us the citizens they're not hiding that from China they're not hiding that from Russia they're hiding that from us so why why are they doing that there are there there there are only in my mind in my estimation there are only uh nefarious reasons why they would hide that information from the General Public and and those Reasons I'm sure um have to do with the kinds of technologies that would become available to all of us and that would that would that we would demand would become available to all of us if we were to find out that yes there is an extraterrestrial presence and yes or let's say a non-human Presence at the very least and yes there is uh exotic technology that would totally transform revolutionize our society if it were made available to the public and there are vested interests that don't want that to H happen no none of these big corporations that make all of their millions and billions of dollars using conventional technology want unconventional technology in the market they would have to completely retool it would destroy their business model it would destroy their their business altogether if there was free energy for example um if if we found out which I think is absolutely the case that combustion technology combustion engines are are are are are basically extremely primitive at this point compared to compared to what we could be using the airline Industries would become irrelevant overnight unless they could upgrade and and integrate the technology um I mean you know why are we all flying around in these tubes still with jet with with jet propulsion obviously somebody has possession of of some kind of anti-gravitational technology I don't think there's any question about it so why are we all jamming ourselves into tubes with jet with with uh with uh you know jet propulsion these industries would have to be transformed and so there's going to be both National Security concerns from the government sector but then there's going to be private concerns private interests that are are going to push back against the revelation of an extraterrestrial presence and and and advanced techn unconventional technology there are a lot of interests involved here but everyone should understand that that the that the the revelation of an extraterrestrial pre presence a a non-human presence an alien which I think is the most accurate term an alien presence is is no Revelation to China or Russia to their governments that's no Revelation to them that's that's not telling them something they don't already know so that information is specifically being kept from us the citizenry yeah so yeah I want to just go ahead and agree what you said there actually is uh pretty much perfectly in sync with what Dr Steven Greer told me in a Twitter space uh several weeks ago as well is uh the idea that some of the technology should be held back for national security purposes that you know there's no reason why we can't reveal some of this information that uh I also agree with you that China and Russia are probably just behind United States I think that we have probably military supremacy of the world and we just don't want to let people know about that in general um and I think that my personal opinion is that some of the reason why it doesn't get disclosed is that I just think that from the uh popularity perspective I don't think a lot of people are ready for it right I think that there's a certain percentage that are I think that you and I are probably people watching this but a significant number of people out there that wouldn't believe it to be real even if alien wi talked to Joe Biden personally on the front lawn of the White House um but on a different note or slightly similar note I would ask you now knowing about this type of Technology uh presuming that it's real and I certainly think it is and I can tell that you think it is as well does this make you more or less spiritual in general I don't think it Bears upon my spirituality let me say one thing let me let me back up and say one thing yeah sure there's another reason why there's another reason why this is being kept from the public two words alien abduction that's a huge reason why it's being kept from the P being kept from the public that's a that's a there's skeletons in that closet they don't want you to open that closet so um in regard to this affecting my let's my spirituality or I'm I'm I'm a I'm a Christian um and and none of this none of this has any kind it does no damage let's say to my Christian world view whatsoever the revelation of like gray aliens I'm absolutely convinced gray aliens exist um if we're to find out that human beings have been interfacing with extr terestrial entities since our Genesis uh that that that does not conflict whatsoever with my understanding of the scriptures rather it confirms what I already know from the scriptures that human beings have been interfacing with non-human entities since our Genesis and furthermore these are extraterrestrial entities unquestionably that pre exist us so that is well within the biblical Paradigm and so none of this as I said does does damage to to to my perspective as a Christian yeah and you know that's interesting to me because um The more I've learned about this technology the more spiritual I've actually become because of I I guess you were already there at that point but there's this idea out there these narratives that oh we don't disclose this because religious people will like not be able to reconcile think that's just completely false I think that from the religious aspect it completely aligns with this idea of a construct Creator Etc even aliens I don't think really uh harm that view at all I think it's the people that uh don't have any religious beliefs that are the ones that are going to be the hardest to to believe this information because they're sitting there believing everything they see on TV and you know all the whatever the authority tells them and then they find out oh nope that's all been a lie your whole lives like those are the people who I feel are threatened but that's just my opinion um you know on this same kind of line I guess with we're talking about techn or do you want to say something related to that I just I agree with that assessment the the the maybe maybe in the 40s and 50s there would have been A disruption in regard to the the religious community but the America for example the the the F fastest growing religion is no religion secular secularism atheism humanism so that narrative is is no longer relevant it it's just no longer relevant and and I think there are plenty of Christians like myself who understand that the revelation of an of extraterrestrial beings uh as I keep saying would would would not conflict with our worldview what whatsoever so it's it's really become irrelevant there's other reasons why that Revelation is not happening awesome so uh and then I've only got a couple more questions for you in general and I appreciate your time um so what do you think the trajectory of human evolution is here given that this advanced technology may be real do you think that we this is a risk of us destroying ourselves do you think that we could become Obsolete and machines take over what's your view in general of what what does this all lead to you know 50 years from now 100 years from now five years from now whatever in regard to the development of this technology yeah and just human evolution in general um and from either a spiritual technological whatever aspect you want to look at it for well I predict that we are heading towards a posthuman future I write about this in my book Birthright uh the coming post-human apocalypse and the usurpation of Adam's Dominion on planet Earth I think we're heading for a post-human apocalypse the future is definitely posthuman and that is uh a very dangerous Prospect obviously for the human species um we the all of these technologies that we hold for example you know the cell phones the te technology that we hold in our hands is going to ultimately go inside of our bodies and and we we haven't even really begun the genetic Revolution yet we are just beginning to go down that path genetic engineering human genetic engineering but also cybernetics uh um human technology uh brain brain um brain technology interfaces like um uh like neuralink that Elon Musk is developing you know in in sometime in the near future we will be engaging with the internet through our brains human beings are going to gradually become more more cybernetic and uh I think that ultimately we're going to face a posthuman future uh with with dire consequences and I and by the way I believe that all of this is predicted in the Bible and so it's it it comes as no surprise to me and that's why I can I can see the trajectory going this direction and I think that you know the the transhumanism and post humanism are are at some point going to converge with with the Revelation the reality of the alien presence in fact I predict three things are even now converging and are going to uh result in a radically different world than the one we're living in now I predict that the what I call in my book the alien threat or the alien presence that's if you can imagine these three things is three concentric circles that are coming together that are merging together so one of these is is the the alien threat the alien presence revelation of that the ongoing disclosure of that then you have transhumanism and and and this this this posthuman future all the Technologies involved in that the the the genetics robotics artificial intelligence nanotechnology all of the technologies that are going to give us the tools to radically radically redesign our biology okay and then that third circle would be what I perceive as a new religion that's going to surface in the earth that's even now being formulated I call it apoo theism and it's I don't believe the future is atheist I believe that in that atheism will will be the religion of the future the concept of apatheism it's a word that I coin myself and it is a an amalgamation of two terms apotho theism rather apotheosis and theism theism obviously is the belief in Gods and apotheosis is the deification of man so man becoming a God and when you blend those two concepts together what you have is a religion which acknowledges the existence of the Gods I Superior extraterrestrial entities or non-human entities and the notion that mankind can become like a god ourselves through the agency of Technology you blend those two things together and you have a new religion apoo theism and I believe that is a religion of the future so these are the three concentric circles that I see merging and when these things come together as they come together we are going to be seeing a radical uh alteration of human society radical radical alteration of human biology and Human Society even the way that we interact with technology will be radically different in the future and future is posthuman yeah no I that's a beautiful thought in general I mean I hope so at least in terms of if we survive it and I think that we're not talking about necessarily Extinction of humanity but the evolution of humanity you know and what then this advanced technology will lead to you know I'm the opinion that we are closer to cavemen than we are are closer to being at the uh Pinnacle of technological advancement and I think when you look at it through that lens then what you just said makes total sense now my last question related to that would be oh Jo go ahead I was gonna say well if you are a secular humanist the prospect of becoming posthuman may be exciting but if you care about preserving Humanity at all Genetically speaking uh uh you might even say consciously speaking psychically speaking if you if you care about preserving Humanity at all then it is then is a very frightening Prospect the idea of us losing our Humanity those trademarks that make us Homo sapiens losing those trademarks uh I think certainly biblically speaking there are some uh there are some exceedingly grave consequences associated with that so if you're not concerned with preserving Humanity there's no reason why we we shouldn't become posthuman it would seem the natural progression of evolution by natural selection right but in this case it would be directed Evolution if you are concerned with with preserving Humanity if there is any reason whatsoever to preserve human humanity and really there's two questions here what does it mean to be a human being and is our Humanity worth preserving depending how how you answer those questions I think will determine your outlook in regard to post posthumanism yeah and that kind of leaves my followup with which is um from the moral standpoint like where do you think Humanity has to get to to ensure our continued existence regarding this posthuman apocalypse or world that you know we combine ourselves with the technology because in my mind I don't think we're there yet from a moral standpoint what are your views on that well it depends on what your world viw is what your Paradigm is again I'll refer to my own if you're coming from a Biblical Paradigm then then the consequence of of evolving out of atom let's say are dire our grave there's I believe there's some very Dynamic things that will happen in the earth if we forfeit and that's why my book is called Birthright by the way if we forfit our Birthright our human Birthright um uh but even in just even just considering though the the integration of our biology with technology you're you're going to fundamentally change what it means to be a human being so you're going into a a landscape that is completely uncertain and by the way add into this add into this equation um and this is really part of that Circle that encompasses transhumanism and posthumanism is Robotics and artificial intelligence uh that's a whole another thing that's developing uh and and so I see a fure in which we can't hardly control ourselves now with the level of technology that we have if if we are given more power to destroy the Earth to destroy each other to oppress to if we give government more P our governments any government pick any government you want on planet Earth if you give them more power more technological power more control they're just going to become more tyrannical you're just going to lose more of your freedom they're going to use these tools against us for sure to control us and uh that's so people who love freedom uh and are independent I think the advancement of Technology I'm not a lite there's there's levels at which there's degrees of technological advancement that are that are absolutely necessary medical advancement for example uh there's there's degrees of of um def defense technology and so forth that I'm obviously very much in favor of but there's a we're going to cross a line at some point in the future future when you begin to modify human biology human psychology when you begin to use these Technologies to go beyond what's beneficial to society uh for example that that that point we're going to reach that point with artificial intelligence it's it it there's there's some there there's there is some future in which artificial intelligence does become dangerous um and and a threat to the human species and and when that where that threshold is I don't know but certainly Elon Musk is concerned about that that's why he's trying to develop neuralink so that we can that we can keep Pace with artificial intelligence which he rightly understands as this exponential uh once we once we let this thing loose artificial intelligence is going to be teaching itself upgrading itself and it's going to and it's going to get out of control it's almost inevitable you know and there's something called The inevit inevitability Thesis or or it's also called the technological imper uh imperative and and what that means is what it proposes is that once a a useful technology is is introduced into society what follows is the inevitable development of that technology it that technology will be developed to its maximum utility it's for sure and nothing will stop it that includes artificial intelligence that includes human genetic engineering that includes the the brain interfacing technologies that includes weapon building weapons it it it applies to everything so you know we've introduced all of these new technologies and it's all in its infancy and all of this is going to get out of control really fast I think and and so is it just that we have a bleak future no because again I'm going to revert back to my own perspective which is a Biblical perspective the end of the book is actually very very very positive depending on what your Allegiance is and so I'm I don't have just this apocalyptic Bleak view of the future but at the same time I understand where all of this is headed and it's gonna get pretty chaotic I think the AI thing is what scares me a lot keeps me up there seems like there's a lot of ways where things can may not go well for us from the humanity perspective so um kind of I guess one last bonus question here is what is your thoughts on our uh Humanity in general I mean what I'm get at I guess is that there are a few theories out there one of is like the prison planet Theory uh the idea that we've been reset in the past do you have any thoughts on that kind of related to all of this and what you've kind of learned throughout your time on this Earth and being investigating phenomenon you mean genetically uh I think that like from like I'm thinking about stuff like Graham Hancock talking about like ancient apocalypse there being like these flood myths that are out there in terms of like Civilization having been reset yeah go ahead yeah I absolutely concur with that I think there were it it and I'm going to use although it's there's some confusion here I do believe there was there was an advanced civilization inhabiting the Earth how advanced I don't know um perhaps even using a different track of technology that we have today an advanced civilization inhabiting the Earth that was obliterated in a global cataclysm I absolutely affirm that I think there's a lot of a lot of evidence for that and and I myself have have have been exploring that question for for more than a decade so I I would concur with graham um that there was an advanced civilization on planet Earth at one time Universal I think to some extent um and maybe there were some survivors interesting so well I think that this is probably a good time to wind it up uh thank you very much uh Timothy amberino for being on hard truths is there anything that you want to plug here uh for the folks that have been watching and I just want to thank you as well very much for your time um you can get my book Birthright the coming postum lips and the usurpation of Adams Dominion on planet Earth if you if you're interested in my my perspective on some of the things we talked about um my YouTube channel Timothy alberino and I'm on I'm on X and uh Instagram my handle is always the same Timothy alino no spaces no dots and thanks a lot for having me on it's it's it it's been my pleasure Ashton yeah this was an awesome conversation Let's uh be in touch for sure just because I think we see eye to eye on a lot of topics out there and I'd just like to be in touch with you and figure out what's next in general so thank you very much uh Mr Timothy amberino for being on hard truce thank you sir okay I'm going to okay well thank you guys very much as well for everyone who is uh on here today and being on hard TRS this is the area where we go and we seek those hard TRS so I hope you enjoyed the podcast