The Return of TJ *REAL* 1/26/24

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# The Return of TJ *REAL* 1/26/24 Malaysian 37 contact 120m night breaking news tonight A Malaysia Airlines flight with 239 people on board including four Americans has gone missing [Music] yeah that's what I do just just that way [Music] everything I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture of the babad G Vishnu is trying to persuade the prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says now I am become deaf the destroyer of worlds yo what's up everybody TJ Aller space tonight for real I wasn't even going to stream I was tired but then I saw oh is it time TJ Allard space guys skin walker Ranch the legend is hosting a space if you think I'm missing that you have not been following this case Okay uh I don't know what happened here the guy who apparently produces TV shows uh had a hard time figuring out how to set up a space not a good look not a good look just messing with you TJ just messing we know he watches we know he follows okay what's going on here waiting for the the space to get started up I probably shouldn't to give mck West that much attention but it was uh some [ __ ] I think it was the first time he messaged me or uh mentioned me on any kind of interview as well so felt like it was important hey everybody hey Jess hey Aaron Cosmic highness solar what's up solar FYI we're drinking tonight pour one out for Amy ESD whatever happened to her does it it was terrible either way right if it's some kind of crazy conspiracy which people are making it out to be that's horrible it's horrible that somebody would have to know so much about technology and then feel depressed enough that they would you know take their own life it's terrible and the other option is well the government uh stepped in she was saying too much I mean she was talking a lot on that stream while drunk she was saying names I just I don't know can't stop thinking about it this is probably a good time for me to say that I would never hurt myself and never uh you know going to be very careful when I drive my car and when I walk down the stairs you know any if I were to disappear under any mysterium uh mysterious circumstances it would be suspicious just remember that guys you might think that's crazy you have to say that but we just we want to be safe guys we want to be safe we got people sending us weird creepy letters on YouTube you know we're talking about teleporting planes so let's just yeah we make sure it's clear where's TJ Allard man been waiting for this space man hold on I'm trying to figure out how this works oh man we might have to retweet some of this him there I don't know man listening to this uh this woman Amy talk got me feeling weird Vibes about this situation real weird Jeremy was basically like she doesn't seem like somebody who's suicidal right put a finger down if you've been kidnapped giving me weird vibes man where's the TJ Allard crap dude sorry give me a second chat I apologize this is unacceptable un acceptable we're getting it's uh in the middle of the night by two large men who asked you if you wanted to go the easy way or the hard way holy [ __ ] just in in case anyone was wondering that was not pornography that was Dom Dom LC how do I find TJ Aller stuff dude look where I even followed him guys there he is it's an am with TJ Allard where is the thing dude dude to the answers what is this man what is this TJ Allard he's famous producer of Skinwalker Ranch producer Creator secrets of Skinwalker Ranch wait is that is that on Netflix I've never watched it sorry TJ I've never watched Skinwalker Ranch guys sue me I'm out here talking about teleporting planes but I'm too good for Smoking Dog men TJ where's the space TJ I know you're watching hold on DM some people see what's going on here folks red panda saw me go live return of TJ I guys I don't know how many people in the chat don't know who TJ is guys do I really have to do a lore recap I probably should okay since we're on a live stream and I want it to be entertaining okay here's the lore wait hold on let me message make sure I'm telling uh red panda and tupacabra that like this is embarrassing for him man he's a producer there we go this man's a producer uh oh hold on hold on is that my DMs oh it is something that I can whatever I don't care I've been pretty open about who I DM so I they talk about inven how do I pause stuff that emerged there it go that's one of the uh points of speculation is that we have back engineered something oh there it goes what the dude this this application is trolling me guys okay so I'll give you the TJ background while we get into space yes you are correct uh LJ whatever your name is sorry I don't know how to pronounce it got give me the pronunciation here here's the guy this is the one go go again go go go come on like go yeah that's tips thing I'm I'm trying to have this [ __ ] balance as I can there are going to be like I said earlier there's going to be people in this space who have with each other that are probably going to be on the same speaking panel and imag where is he I need you guys to just as much as you can just keep it professional right everyone here has a job right guys if that's your intro it's gonna be just keep it professional you're living [ __ ] life Tiff I love it I love it Tiff just because it's called TJ Allard addresses everything does not mean it's a drama space okay I'm gon I'm gonna mute this okay guys so quick background here for everybody TJ Allard uh he came in and showed up in some early mh37 any spaces and in those spaces like he made it all about him like we spent an hour of two hours just talking about like trying to sell TJ Allard on the what happened it was like really weird and so then I did a followup where I was I was kind of mean to him making fun of him it was the Danny TJ and Julian space uh with uh I live streamed it and it was the funniest space I've probably or stream I've ever done um so that means I have too much talent but all we did was make memes and listen to them just cry and yell in the uh in the space and TJ basically just talk nonstop and Tred to take it over so either way it was super entertaining so if you think I'm missing out on TJ part two you haven't been following me closely enough definitely just the there he is there he is here we go chat okay you're all caught up oh also te J is the uh Skinwalker Ranch uh producer brand ambassador for TJ Allard yes I am not a secret I am not a secret brand ambassador for TJ Allard that's a fact is Tiff is oh my God Tiff's gonna be she's gonna be the levity she's gonna be the levity tonight there he is TJ what's up bro let's wave let's go let's wave TJ He Man um yeah so wait like let's let's let's let's talk regular let's just have a regular conversation idea why TJ doing addressing everything how was your night how was your night bro so Random very interesting um I'm sorry I would have been here earlier got turn it up you're so low I was a business dinner so uh ran late oh business dinner oh he should name drop somebody was all very surprising who's he at dinner with all kind of came to the surface although it's been out there for a long time so TJ I can I have to say I genuinely like from appr you emoj my gift I mean like the fact that we communicate like this be rud don't be rude I mean listen good I'm always happy I I love this community I've been you know supportive and trying to help push it along for a long time send TJ some heart emojis guys this is good this is good well we're both we're both from La I mean like we know the business but UFOs they're hot right now right I mean from La guys Liv in La yor don't he's East Coast don't try to take the East Coast [ __ ] don't do that he's not from La TJ do you work more in LA or do you work more in new the East Co East Coast stuff uh I was in New York City uh for 20 years or something what they address good question Steve I have no idea but it honestly does not matter to me I'm so excited about being space TJ right now that it could be just literally about I don't know his adventures in New York City is possible not very I and I live here a that's um do if you make any memes uh you can post them in Discord I'll share them on live stream I don't I don't know I'll share them on live thing I I I truly don't like I I got to approach I love how like TJ's not even a UFO guy right so funny he's he's really he's really not have you ever seen [ __ ] TJ space is like dumbfounded by our community I love it no I'm not at all like I've been part of like this has become like you know my about the last sometimes I sit there at work and I'll be uh just sitting there in a meeting and it's like a live meeting we got video on and I'm just looking for the emot treat my uh my work meetings like I do my Liv try to elevate anything that I think is possible which is why I you know gravitated towards Shawn early on and I'll say it up front like you know Sean's awesome I've been talking probably three is maybe three four years now at least three and this is public it's it's on you can go look it up this isn't this has already been out there like we've talked about this publicly many of time many times I got be careful I'm justra because he was not I don't want to give the government a reason to disappear me get any kind of uh he wasn't trying to make money off of his what his experiences are what he was we are GNA figure out what happened to Amy es his request was always hey can somebody help me identify we are GNA figure out what happened to Amy es chat you know get some muscle that's real real hard Tru these things I don't know what talking pitching shows about The Experience now um it just has yet to kind of Catch Fire uh I I really think that that's the one of the next stages of this whole you know this this exploring this the phenomenon and exploring all these anomalies and I think that it's it's a good Next Step um barring any phys we might have to read this Amy stuff if TJ Bor us well yeah it's like once they acknowledge fully having a private conversation going to be like the people who have experienced will be start getting on top of it is very important what made you go for skin walker um so the the uh what made him go for skiner or the inspiration I should say for Skinwalker was um trying to do a longitudinal study about one location um for an extended you know for longitudinal meaning extended period of time at one spot want to do a study in one spot way that's how they came up with the story thing you know no they definitely sker first see if you can determine um any kind of correlations um between events and data um and so that was the pitch the pitch was basically a paranormal Oak Island um and there were two locations that were interesting two networks which were uh Area 51 and Skinwalker Ranch uh neither one of them could be kind of secured and uh it took me almost two years of trying trying to do that uh and then eventually getting to Brandon and pitching brand convincing him to do I kind want to troll him but also want to reconcile in that series The that's Chen I don't know what we do here were like oh you can't get into this you can't get Area 51 you can't get uh troll TJ or reconcile we speaker so basically my opinion doesn't matter uh on anything but it matters a lot to me my my uh experiences have been um you know just so I did I I I affected by by the ranch in the audience I got sick I was super sick um for about n months he's right next to me when I started going out there and i' had gone through all kind of testing I had some kind of upper respiratory infection that perfect 5:00 shadow you know assuming was caused by my time there oh going talking about now I was in New York City at the time gone to a number of doctors uh gone through all kinds of tests um i' I've talked about like some of the testing I mean that I the names of things I remember were like I did something called like the Muran challenge or something along line or like and try to test all different parts of my lung capacity and and and Tes me for some kind of viral infection or some kind of infection but my understanding my doctors were telling me was that when they test for things um so I'm in New York drunk no C for lack of you know better uh terminology 69% terminology there was no pallet minute to go to vote uh what could have potentially or reconcile potentially contracted or gotten while I was out there yeah well so people call it the hitchhiker effect that's one you know way that people describe it um but I did have I suffer Parish I think we all want to know the answer to that question physical what are the motivations for TJ to address anything why do people care someone catch me up hearing things I don't know but I had don't know you know that were consistent radi exposure so when I say hearing things it was like if somebody has ttis right and you hear a con he's just literally telling us a medical situation eventually the way you deal with it is kind of like when you look at a cloud justand your mind besides the shape and now like you could you call that paradia right yeah and so the idea amazing content chat hearing was chat I need you guys to help me out here audio definitely eventually I I put a keep this moving FKS this constant ringing get some likes so we can get some more people in here for this TJ Allard experience that's about to go down it's like a senses uh like whatever but yeah totally I get what you're saying people want to know why I'm doing this I freaking like it that's why I just do stuff like after going yeah after I stopped going out there um you know it took a while um months a year bit about six months to a year um you know the the symptom stopped and then I you know that was it and I'm all set I can't be serious Chad I can't be serious put some 2018 maybe oh wild so it's like been you basically ever since like you experience I want to say put some respect anymore I just never that was it it stopped you if you're out there not trying to disrespect SK walk SP like you know good guy like he has a hard time staying serious stories his experiences out there he had like not only a profound spiritual experience but he uh also had some profound experiences from Skinwalker Ranch when he was on a bigo's sorryish we already interesting love chrisel skiner ranch coming together just chatting about the ranch I guarantee get so many people listening but I appreciate you coming tonight and I'm gon to shut up now but um I just want to say thank you TJ and whatever he's probably thanks for breaking the ice Tiff and doing that [ __ ] love you enjoy your wine over there you'll let me say this right um if you guys don't mind like the space and repost it not for my ego because I I would like to get some people who are on the opposite side of this I would like to get them on the panel I I really don't want this to be like a one-sided thing um so if you guys could do that or you want to tag them whatever it is um let's let's do that but I I want I just want to read let me let me go find it because I'm doing this in [ __ ] real time I want to read TJ you're funny I want to read um something that I saw so this is my introduction to this conversation that we're we're going to address tonight and this is the first post that I saw so I'm going to read it I would love to get Darren in here um if anybody can get Darren in here I'm gonna I'm gonna read the two posts that I saw just so people can get some context if you don't know what we're talking about here okay so Darren says uh this is Dazzle W guy on Twitter um oh I'm muted oh they're serious here he says hey TJ just wondering what is your connection to Skyfire news do you have a hand in that seems very similar to story fire in name you seem to be pretty close with Tupa and Keem you are also a producer for the skinwalker rant show and there was recently a big scandal with UFO Shane being paid by someone he thought was from that team have you looked into that at all red panda koala is making a movie about UFO Shane it all seems a bit hokey to me um and this is the other tweet that I saw from him there may have been more because I didn't go looking this is literally what I saw on my timeline okay uh he said hello UFO Twitter it seems like I can't believe there actually a space about this right now many may have heard that has been being claiming to be a representative of this way too serious red panda koala is supposedly making a documentary about UFO Shane here are uh how are the two connected well kear run Skyfire news Panda works for Keem is managed by lfm management lfm Management's person in charge of AC Acquisitions is TJ Allard uh oh TJ Allard is a producer for Skinwalker Ranch it looks like there may be some alleged [ __ ] of foot my friends oh follow the money is drama being pushed on this community for the sake of entertainment is Panda being funded to create this film as a means to sew Discord in the UFO Community who is receiving payment for all of this and who m space or not I can't tell if this is serious or not so I'm assuming it's not but that's what I saw that's those are the the tweets that I saw and I did see some subsequent stuff after that um so I I'll just I'm gonna mute hold up I'm gonna mute up I'm gonna mute up and I'm gonna let TJ I mean whatever you have to say from there and we'll just let it go from there but that's what I saw if you feel free daming Alle yeah I mean this is pay me pay me and I will do it Sean is this the stuff that you text me about I had noidea happening yeah oh yeah oh yeah yeah those are those are the screenshots that I sent you and I was like what the hell was going on here yeah that's it he did not know about these Dam awes that's funny um I mean and I sent you another I sent you some other stuff in there wow TJ doesn't know about these daming allegations guys yeah I mean I think this is great um I mean it's no secret you know I one of the creators of Skinwalker oh we have to skip this yes I worked with TJ lfm Legend um to do some stuff o spicy he great proximity so when I moved uh New York City why is he making it sound so sketchy why say manager John from say no and question KCK around ideas for a long time um and so you know people read into a lot of this it's it's funny that pretend like I it kind of goes to the mentality of a lot of you know the if this then that so it must be true logic um you know without anyone knowing any of the backstory or or you know any of this information um I wish I'm going to I'm going to say he didn't deny it there was the money element there but you know it's no secret yeah you know yeah tell me guys what this some called me the UFO media mafia boss now um I mean there's part some truth in that um you know I've been part you know conally involved in a lot of this stuff um but yeah uh I mean I I'm just curious about like where all this came from while the digging all of a sudden and and like so what prompted all this kind like you know like through you right I met I met a lot of these people the community people here through you and I like these are good good people that you know I've interacted with um I felt like they've had their finger on the pulse of stuff and you know and then at a certain point uh I think Keem started jumping in and I I think Sean with you like we I tried to bring him in a couple of your spaces um because I'm like you know this is what I really want to go I think that there's something I'm honestly surprised that he's taking this serious kind of inod to like you know other parts of this community and uh he's reacting to a troll Ser terms aggregate this and this is his wheelhouse and uh I mean I I probably the best thing that could happened all right so let me so let me ask you this right because I don't want this because you know I told you like you know I'm G to ask you some questions course you know I'm not going to like you know we're I'm not full disclosure I'm friends with TJ but I know nothing about this business I don't know anything about any of this like saw I don't he's not impartial um some of the stuff that I'm seeing is and by the way I wasn't familiar at all with keemstar before he came into the UFO Community I know millions of people have been it just it just never crossed my table like ever so my introduction to him is whatever I've seen on Twitter right um um I want to put that out there I'm not a [ __ ] Fanboy I I just don't care and it's no disrespect to him it's just anybody like I I just I don't care right um that's first but like there are some people who are like you know he he like I've seen people say he goes into different communities he's done this before um you know the uh what is it called the the drama alert thing like this is kind of what he does and they feel like maybe it's not a good IDE trolling that he's kind of here to show Discord maybe and it's and it's for that purpose like let's take it off you for a second and all the allegations like do do you understand that perspective or do do you not understand that perspective no I I I can see how people I would say no you know take that angle on it um but it's not about take that angle course it's about he there are there is obviously a lot of disc in the the UFO Community I'm gonna um there's a lot of drama and it I've aced Keem in the past to like the Ryan seest of the in Ryan seest so he did for traditional celebrities he did what Ryan Crest did for started it to did that same thing for influencers telling them that is one there there is uh if anyone could do it they would and guess what they didn't and so he's carved out he has found in you know this New Media environment this new the new digital age like found a way to reach people in a way that wasn't being reached and and kind of aggregating and bringing it all into a home base so that if you want to know what is going on in a community of any kind um in terms of the know conflict within it that's that's the person to go to now one of the things is that that I think that the skyers doing Sky fire news is doing is kind of like again aggregating there's no place to go right now it's a One-Stop shop it's about to get good the UFO world and I think one of I think it was sounds so sinere I can't believe how serious he's taking this you can't find anything out unless I thought this was and then you have to listen to that whole video and then you know go through it get the Back stories blah blah blah well if you can find a way to distill that down to bites that are easily consumable that appeal to people in the way they consume information now let you know that's where he going to go like you know what I think that was great you know kind of like Gap it's basically Gap analysis right so you found a gap in the market and you f it reaction and that's where sucess comes and I think that what do you think is the best way to consume is he talking about the market and stuff hold on SE hold on SE I I love you but just just give me just give me a second because we are going to do hands just because I want to keep this is structured possible no it's listen listen you've had you've had a you're drinking wine you're enjoying your life over there I'm not mad I'm not mad um I love you okay all right I love you too Tiff okay so you know what Ashton has his hand up I wait go ahead ashon oh thanks Sean I appreciate it man hey TJ how are you doing good man how are you good to see you it's it's been a day man I'm having a good time though having a couple drinks but um we don't have a lot of people on the other side in here so I thinking maybe I'll just you know I want to the truth that's that's kind of what I'm waiting for like just for the conversation again like I don't I'm not here to [ __ ] fight this is not going to be a scream I want everyone to get their [ __ ] off whatever they have to say I would love for anybody on that side who you know has their feelings and thoughts to to jump up if anyone can tag them or see if they want I messag Daren I want to hear Dar until they show up I I don't mind being the being the the uh prosecutor here's the what's the other side is what I'm trying to the side is that you're sewing that you're sewing Discord in our community and that you brought um keemstar in and you know there's that it's no accident of what's going on that's I mean again that's my little short version that I've seen but maybe there's more I I really don't know I can read the Tweet off to you again because I mean connection what about those payments though to uh um UFO Shane you got how long have you known Shane TJ how long yeah let's let's yeah like so do you know UFO Shane I don't know who UFO Shane is I try to find I asked when I when you sent me that stuff I started asking like who is this guy and no one could answer like nobody knew um and again I'm not really in that you know that Community uh you know to to actually know um but yeah I'd be well let me just say this I I like that's what I like what I do know about you is you're not hilarious you have business in this community like you know certain names but you really you you don't you're not in the mix of this stuff it was to the point where you named a particular person and you like said it as like a group and it was just funny because to me was like that's how much you don't even you're not focused on it and which is telling to me um but but if anyone doesn't know UFO Shane is someone on UFO Twitter and he allegedly was getting paid he says by by someone from Skinwalker Ranch I heard that he said it was branded at one point and switched uh in like $800 a month $200 a week 9 people in here should we play the clip uh if you if you have it go for it yeah just give me like 20 seconds s yeah sure um so was the uh I was ask TJ how long have you known keemstar maybe that's a more important question if we're trying to find some connection here keemstar don't they're like neighbors how are you they're neighbors whoa busted yeah right yeah guys it's pretty funny because my manager you guys obviously live in a good neighborhood like manager Tiff can you hear can you hear um I canot yeah yeah just drop down come back up it's it's all right my manager and me are like childhood friends and we still live relatively close TJ's like our neighbor as well that's how we all know each other so Darren made this video and he's like follow the money and he made like a pyramid and he put TJ at the top me and Brandon Fugal in the second row and then Shane and like all these other people below and it says follow the money so I called Darren and I I just explained what I just told you guys now and and I go so what's the conspiracy here and he literally told me I don't know we're going to have to follow the money nice what does that mean yep it means nothing TJ damn immediately ruins the uh can't do the anymore he's do and and by the way the only one that I know 100% that traded money back and forth was Darren and Shane Darren like literally used the that gave him money I'm just following the money bro so I don't even know what I don't know who Dar who's Darren I don't even know who Darren is he's the guy that made the the big follow the money pyramid thing today um he's okay I don't I don't he's also the guy the tweets I was reading earlier TJ that's that's who that's who said that and just just real quick um yeah let's I'm I'm going do strict strict no hand uh hands just so we we can get this [ __ ] out red do you have that clip ready really actually yeah here's the clip of him first saying he got paid all right listen I literally did the same thing Lou did I I I I contacted bra and fugle guys and I have lost all access because I asked one simple question that wasn't to their liking so that's where I'm basing my once again this is my thing I'm not trying to say this is what happened to L exactly or other people exactly but I used to get almost 100 people in this m stream meme Now bring up stre where's he at I asked one I asked one [ __ ] question he left I asked one [ __ ] phenomenon about the brain ofle what the hell can't see more people it so I got an email get some trolls up here I could look it up I can't remember his name he runs a site and they they they gave me a lifetime membership and I know L's probably laughing his ass off right now guarantee you the same they gave me a lifetime sponsorship to Skinwalker Ranch if I mentioned the website in my show and it it rounded out to be like it rounded out it hold on and Kimble Kimble knows all this by the way he's never it Kim was there with me the whole knows all this and they me like a month wow who told you to come in on black b's video because it has nothing to do with Skinwalker ran who told you to go tell him hey this stff this harass you're talking about who told you that it was that [ __ ] dude and I don't remember his [ __ ] name I'm sorry that I don't but he was paying me $800 a month man wait okay okay hold on the guy paying you $800 a month is the one that told you to go attack green wol yeah and they also told me to be nice Green Street okay that's all we need to hear I know my God it's true y if you're in this community if you're in this UFO Community there is some shady [ __ ] [ __ ] going on you know she wasn't the only one getting paid that's by by all means I wasn't now there were people like Kimble like Kimbell paid me money for UF that's open book All Guest on the show right like you know what I mean like and you pay people for their time there's nothing wrong with being paid for your time and that's what Kimble did if you don't enjoy there was also someone who paid me money you justn green I don't take life too serious okay so this is what Shane said how much is it true yeah real quick like sh Shane is a is a liar too so I don't I don't know I'm not saying none of that's true but just take that with a grain of salt because just laughing Brandon fugle was in a space the owner of skin walker Ranch and correct me if I'm wrong he he denied all of this is that correct and if you don't yeah he denied and um I think I have payment of $800 is that correct guys watching like uh the guy on Cheaters get stabbed I remember seeing only two payments of Bitcoin for around $800 sketchiest stuff like get stabbed catching people are cheat we don't know we don't know who was who that was sorry I'm over talking this but it doesn't matter so but I think the the relevant thing there is the person that he said was paying him denied paying him which is odd some okay was guy who ran the website TJ do you know who runs the website for Skinwalker Ranch I don't uh I think that keeps on changing I'm not involved with uh that Skinwalker the ranch website actually I just got a message saying there was no payments of $800 so I I could be wrong there there's no well that's the thing it's kind of Muddy like there's I don't really know what's going on with that but that was a major part of how TJ got brought in to this um I'm gonna this those people are that's what's really funny like I don't know who uh Daryl or the other guy I don't even know who those people are um and that's what's even funnier like what's his name um it's Darren and you know what like honestly I I am one of Shane's actual friends in real life like we we have phone numbers Etc and um sh he's an alcoholic him and I like all day long just sharing the dirt because I'm a recovering addict I'm drunk right now you know what and actually I'm a recovering alcoholic so I'm not the best person to say [ __ ] right now but I what's going on here Tiff Tiffany Tiffany Tiff I love Tiff Tiff I love you mute up or get to the point and I'll talk to you in the group chat what's up come on you know what I'm cryste I'm just kidding I'm just kidding um so no Shane uh he uh wow he received uh this 800 forall that Serv like two billion worth of transactions Shane loves Bitcoin gambling so unless there's an account that we know Fred Rogers of the government that probably a bit Quin Casino he got really he loves the clout like keemstar he's literally since his mother was pregnant with him he's like I've been subscribed to keemstar and it just like his mother was pregnant but that's just something to keep in mind I don't know divine intervention obviously because I'm just like a dumb girl but whatever but but but that's what I mean right so like even his claims can't be taken necessarily as truth so when something starts from [ __ ] like you got to be very careful of like where what the [ __ ] is going on from there and that was a major springboard to how TJ how you got brought in this um UFO intros Kimbell what's up your hands up yeah thanks Sean um just to add a little context for a lot of this for you and TJ maybe um so there's some history in a lot of this you have a group of do not like tupacabra or red panda koala and they've done all kinds of nasty [ __ ] um red and Tupa come along and they're they're starting Skyfire news uh with keemstar serious and so people have been trying to attack Skyfire news for various reasons um and so when all this came up a week ago where Shane was talking about getting payments from Skinwalker Ranch and then they they found there was a connection between TJ and keemstar the that's kind of where all this is coming from so you have these personal beefs this you know this long history let's get against certain people who happen to be involved with Shane that kind of no one's involved with but if Shane is making this stuff up and it wouldn't surprise me honestly based on my history with him but it is a pretty long con because I I do remember getting DMS from him back last spring um about these payments from someone at skin walker Ranch all right see I'm glad you brought that up because that's extremely relevant because that that's what I was thinking right because I'm like you know we know that they're serious you know T very serious Sam and a lot of that other group they don't get along for various reasons I can have an echo I don't know who's uh someone's mic on can you can you mute up it's red thanks red um oh sorry yeah oh you're good so I was just wondering like I'm like how much of this is a situation where you got like some [ __ ] murder beef with somebody like you don't [ __ ] with somebody and then now you're you're attacking people associated with them and now it's just all out War like what the hell's going on and some of it looked like that like that's just from the outside in not knowing any of this [ __ ] um that's what it seemed like so Sean can I just say like on on topic um that yeah sorry guys I've been drinking tonight so I'm not going to be doing any excise conspiracy stuff got five tabs open that he was the one who said that he needs to uh I have that right here serious so R I had Carl and Chris telling me to be nice to listen to this Green Street to Steven Green Street because Steven Green Street was gonna tell the truth is he here and then stepen Green Street said was not what they wanted and then I was told I didn't have to be nice anymore so I was literally told to be cool to this guy and I've been in spaces with Stephen Green Street I've be with him and then all of a sudden it's just like [ __ ] a dead man's trigger it's just like [ __ ] this you know he's an [ __ ] he's this mean to him who said that specifically no one no one told me to be mean to him but that but I was told to not be critical of him who told you that stop St don't flick come on uh I'm trying I'm trying I'm trying I'm super drunk I'm trying uh but Carl Carl the crusher super drunk mostly Carl Chris doesn't give a [ __ ] uh honestly I think Chris like Chris is the best [ __ ] example of someone who's just trying to figure it out like a directed you to be neat to like you know you know no he told you to be nice to St yeah I don't know if this is not entertain you man I don't know St being if you want to check out science or conspiracy me tomorrow I'm to the drama right now tjard producer Ranch Som midle of all the drama that that told him to go to the west gate and stuff like that I gotta just be like closer to the m never says anything like that uh but Carl told me you know like we've been working with Green Street we've been doing UF Twitter drama you guys I love your this is the drama you're all the main players they're represented they're not here with us [ __ ] are off we're trying to lure like we have like very interesting we're trying to catch a big fish cire Keem anything that's what I'm saying Panda like like Shane is a drunk person he's a drunk person who is a clout Chaser and so like he is easily easily influenced so if uh Carl and people know that people know that too people [ __ ] know that hold on let me let me hold on Tiff I got to get around the room um just real quick guys I I still would like the other side anybody to be in here so if you could just like this retweet it whatever like even if one of them come up just so I don't want this to be an echo chamber um this is I want this to be a dialog to to be fair I think I think they're holding a space listen cool I mean you know they have special guest is what I they can come through if they want they don't have to um Aston you had your hand up what's up yeah I mean life right now just so you know yeah they should come in because I mean we gotj here you know so this is a very serious conversation here and very serious allegations that we're dealing with um TJ uh what do you think in terms of you know have you been trying to influence the UFO community Through keemstar did you bring him here to bring us more drama what was your intention sir there was no intentions oh my God it's just kind of funny like it's not at all oh my gosh uh yeah it's not a uh that was not an intention Keem loves this stuff and again like he know he he this is what he does like he knows where there is where this is happening I've actually never seen SK this is awesome there's there's a lot going in here how how can I you know fill a gap fill know people were talking about needing to be filled and you know it was more one of these conversations like yeah I just happened to be you know one of the careers of the biggest UFO show of all time and it was like we start talking and he's like yeah you know let's he's been around he kind of jumps in spaces in and out we talk about stuff but like no this is I didn't bring anything Keem was like wow I'm going there and did his own thing man like that's not my you know I wasn't saying to him like you know let's do this let's let's bring drama to the community nothing like that at all yeah but when were the CIA meetings where you guys discussed how you would have keemstar destroy the though oh okay yeah uh I got to find a date right there's got to be a specific date here or something no there they're truly isn't there's nothing I wish I had an answer for you there I I just don't uh that's a good question though uh I can see where that where people are coming uh coming at it from that angle but you know Keem has been sitting here with his hand up for a long time I wonder if he has anything to contribute like go for it man thank you thank you just I I gotta like go back and explain explain how this all played out right so obviously we know there's a hate group right a group of people that sit there and spam and attack and this and that and oh my God you said something about Lando this hate group seems to be like um in love with Lando for some reason um but that's the group they exist uh it's very and when Shane revealed that he was getting paid by someone um and he did get paid by someone there's a Bitcoin address we have the receipts right away they got accused of being the ones to pay Shane right so their way to kind of like turn this all around so they're not a suspect is by making pyramids of me and TJ at the top and Brandon fugle and somehow Shane's down there follow the money but the guy who created this conspiracy right is the only know for who Gavey he's the only one name what okay will give him a lot of money okay intros go ahead what's [ __ ] well I just first of all i' I've paid Shane uh small amounts to get guests or whatever but um honestly I feel like what Darren was doing for Shane at the time on I don't know everything but on the surface was a good thing it was a gof on me he was trying to raise money to bail uh Shane out of jail so I don't know that we need to hold that against Darren honestly here Shane is a superal I'm sorry UFO intros you don't understand this conspiracy comes from Darren so confus but you're using you're using a payment he did out of generosity so hold me it's getting good I'm let me just real quick this the first had to use that button let me just hold on the reason why it's it's more ironic right like Darren is not back to the UFO Shane Darren can pay anyone who he wants like Kimble you're just a member of the community I don't care who you pay with your money to do anything like you're not it doesn't matter but it is ironic if Darren was paying someone and now he's Mak it's just kind of ironic it's definitely a little bit ironic if it's like dude you're the only one that was doing that or you were actually doing that and now trying to connect dots that might not be there to connect I didn't get much sleep you know draw this conclusion when you were the one that did it it's kind of it's kind of iron yeah that is my point that is my point Thank you Sean well it you might have a point too based on what Tiff said you might have a point just because he is easily in like influenceable and so even if it was a you know a payment made out of generosity that may have been some kind of an attempt to influence Shane so there could be something there dude there are mentally ill people in this community that people [ __ ] pray on and it's sick and Chan's definitely one of them that has been he's been stalking us on the other side of that absolutely that's a fact I've seen it it's very like I've seen it I want to ask Keem a couple questions here um and I just address a couple things um I want to address one the hate group uh where I don't think it's an organized effort um I think we're talking about people with individualistic kind of Click personalities um yes people kind of group together a little bit and kind of band together and choose to you know asking here uh dislike a certain person or whatever um but I don't think there's any coordinated effort um to attack people in the community um at least not in that sense um I want to ask can you tweet out can you tweet out Lando sucks he's a liar I don't out right now let's test it out right now no if you don't think this let's do a science experiment and let's gather the evidence I'm so sick of people saying well I don't think I'm not going to out something I don't try out never have better dick than Stone date like just to see what would happen I do I do want to ask uh Keem so you are known for drama alert it does seem from some angles that you're coming into the community this gu serious kind of feeding off some of the drama that's already existed is that would you say that's untrue feeding off the drama I wouldn't say that's untrue because there is a ton of drama in here and the nature of news for the most part is drama right conflict battles off the drama um the the battling of ideas right that's what news is so you're saying that UFO Twitter has peaked in its drama so much so that TJ Allard and kingstar are like all hands on deck I think there's opportunities in the drama to create content and yeah real quick hold on let me just let me sorry let me let me just say this right like doesn't ke and I found this out because I didn't know keemstar until he came into the community he has something called Drama alert so I'm not saying as a bad thing so like I I think if that's part of his brand he's probably going to try to capitalize on it from a financial standpoint I think he I don't know what other areas or communities he's been in he's probably done the same there I'm not saying that in a bad way either so please don't [ __ ] jump on me I'm saying it as a a business fact probably yeah we need some more however it's a whole different thing yeah yeah just the land real quick it's a whole different thing to then take that and then make it like a sop just because we're into UFOs and [ __ ] no not you I'm not saying you I'm not saying you I'm saying that this is being said I'm saying this is like one of the things that people are saying like it's like it's part of this that's why TJ that's why TJ's here because hold hold on the same thing Tiff please Tiff You Gotta Throw your hand up I love you but you have to throw your hand up okay real chase the same thing I'm saying about the UFO hate group I'm saying I would say to Darren and his coordinated effort that's that's not normally how things work there's not normally a DN coordinated to of they have to go after of people coming together and saying yeah we all dislike so so and come after a certain why does this entertain it's all on their own individual will um so that's how I see it more than that so I think the it's ridiculous to say that you know TJ and Keem are in in cahoots to go after something and then it's also kind of unrealistic to say there's a UFO hate group The neither side I don't think are really doing that a cool can I speak for myself now and why I'm here it would be lovely yeah go for it would be lovely um yeah uh I I've followed the the UFO phenomenon for years and years and years I had my own experience when I was a child I've always been interested in this stuff did not know that there was a community first time I found like the UFO Twitter Community was I think TJ was hosting a space and I just jumped in to listen and it was it was awesome I was like wow I didn't even know this thing existed um so yeah uh I I wanted to find like a News Network in the space that would keep me up to date with all the news cuz every day there is news in this space that's funny CU I Hada who he was before this and everything is like in a three-hour podcast or a long article and people don't have time for that like I wanted there to be an outlet that has short clips I thought um you know tweets pictures whatever something real short to give you the most important part of that story and then once you're you know brought up today with that short form content and you want to research it further then you know there's a link to the original Source or you know it's credit I think the space name is accurate because that doesn't exist yeah return I made it that's why fans the whole idea of like keemstar came in and he's causing all his drama I responded to a lot of drama think we were about 3 days old when somebody accused me of pretending to conduct the interview because we took a clip from their interview even though we credited them they created this entire false narrative that we were pretending to conduct an interview because we use the c or so I had to respond to that people in blogs then um go ahead and I I did say there was already drama here so I'm not I'm not saying you're NE necessarily creating all the drama there's been drama since UFO Twitter existed I'm pretty sure so I'm not arguing with that point then because I um brought on tuba and read this hate group thing they started attacking Skyfire news nonstop attacking me and talking smack left and right uh this milk farts person tweeted out keemstar's afraid of me he will never have a conversation with me so I said okay let's set it up in person and you know this [ __ ] backed out right away and started putting all these conditions that like I couldn't make money off of it and he had to have the final edit so he got owned and that really set them off uh what else happened um I caught Mike UFO Mike going in and calling people pedophiles like no evidence and no proof and then I caught his wife cheating on him that was pretty embarrassing can we get them in here [Music] all those guys are are in their own space right now I mean listen I I set it out I don't want to hear no [ __ ] afterwards that this was like a [ __ ] Echo chamber I I I even put it in the description let's have a conversation everybody's welcome I don't have any personal issues with anybody that [ __ ] read that they had they had the chance to come in if they don't want to come in they don't have to [ __ ] come in but Sean that's my point those guys in the other space that's the group that I'm talking about I know I was referring to TJ cuz T TJ is so TJ so doesn't care about any of this that I'm kind of just telling him like that that group like they're having their own they're having their own thing right now and and that's fine I'm very aware of who the group is man I I know who you guys are talking about um let me uh let's let's get the red what's up red real quick for Chase oh hey welcome Green Street uh quick reminder for the room everyone be sure to follow Skyfire news that has been on the Forefront of breaking this story about the illegal and really sketch ways that money is thrown on in this community for narrative control UFO Shane himself said he was paid to promote Skinwalker Ranch and attack people there's a paper trail that there were payments again that's just one person saying something you can't unless there's direct proof that he's getting paid by Skinwalker Ranch that that doesn't mean anything yeah so like I said just contined to follow Skyfire news it's an active investigation in into people who are clearly not wanting what they've done to come to life so I I'm pretty sure I heard red say that Shane said that not a group of people I don't know why we needed a clarification that it was one person and then real quick here's another great clip in this whole kind of like perception management uh stuff that's been going on Joe Rogan and Pula talking about the Craftsman of ethologist and we already have many documented cases of this same group that we're talking about going after her and I even have uh milk fart He was ordered to attack her and he doesn't even know why but first Joe Rogan so what I found factions within the perception management of UFOs he's just got everything required feels like he's like playing one of his factions was responsible for sadly harassing people who do research and I found this out by being harassed we actually all serious we're talking about this group people like we average Professor doing their work like team messing around guys just don't italized and then I start to study UFOs thinking that they're not real maybe think that relig and then quickly having people come into my sphere research sphere who are you know part of CIA part of FBI that kind of thing and then getting a shock that you know whoa this could be dangerous and maybe I shouldn't be doing this but I did get harassed though I did get harassed and it still happens how did you get harassed most of it is um doxing and uh email harassment at my University began and um both to me and Gary at the same time and people showing up um people yeah people in my town what kind of people schizophrenics schizophrenics no but no but people you wouldn't want to meet yeah loons yeah you think that's targeted you think oh for sure but do you think that also that might just be people that are obsessed with this particular subject these are people that are a people in those thirsty I mean there's no doubt okay this clip's gone on long enough there it is sweet yes and he often asks her about Ron pandaly alleged former head of the CIA weird desk oo okay I'm interested about this I suspected that this was another instance of king milk fart being ordered to attack people as knowledge of Ron pandol is pretty deep into UFO lore especially when considering king milk fart was fairly new to euphology I didn't know that how would he know about Ron pandoli why would he be hold on red red red red just uh because I I want to I want to keep this on topic like I don't want to like Veer because like we can do that in any space anytime all the time I I really want to keep this as much much as we can in the sphere of Skinwalker Ranch TJ payments um yeah I was just saying there is like no group you know what I mean we have literally yesterday on Joe Rogan somebody talking about this group and I'm not hold on guys hold on let me just yeah Chase Chase I love just let's not and this is for everybody because like I knew this was going to be a hard space to manage it's fine but I just I just want to keep it it's not even any just in the sphere of what we're talking about we have hands up Green Street hasn't talked yet what's up Green Street get it Green Street hey guys um I saw the title of this spaceist TJ Allard addresses everything and I had a question for him and I'm because I'm personally curious It's on topic so I uh TJ I as you know um produced three 40 minute investigative documentary episodes on Fugal Skinwalker Ranch I had previously done two on the Bigalow era um and I'm literally I'm literally actually curious if you ever got around to see did you those reports and if you did just personally what did you think of them so uh yes I did um you watched them and I've said before like I think you're super talented I think you're good what you do um I don't always agree with the framing of your narratives um but that was the nerdiest question ever you know how to tell a story man that's what Green Street profession question is um you know I literally I've said many times let me down I expected more guys out of green stre you're Pro um he just wanted to get like TJ to make him feel good agenda that you know what you're working for Green Street if people can't see that and I like a hard question what you do then that's their their thing you don't always have to agree with it um you know you can't knock the work um you can you know kind of push back stor but uhing the dino beavers guys is any of that stuff real with the dino beavers and the smoking uh M dog I I I really think the first one that you you dropped really helped our season that our Premiere that year um sorry guys thanks for that that was kind of uh you know unintended consequences perhaps but the show's been taken off and you know just keeps getting growing and so that's a good thing with the spin-offs and everything else but uh yeah I mean that that's that's all I can say um I guess just so thank you for that and then for a followup uh obviously the episodes as they go on they get more and more critical it obviously ends with me asking Fugal and the team for their quote best evidence and then they provide me with more or less subjectively microphone nothing and I I'm curious you I'm going to ask ask you what do you think is the you produce the show you see the show you're involved with the show what do you think is the best piece of raw data evidence that shows something paranormal at the ranch bigun skeptic guys so this is It's a uh expecting fireworks question uh something I can't really answer because you're gonna have to watch um got to watch you'll you'll you'll get to see and I think there's some undeniable stuff that you'll uh you you'll that's his answer left thinking like I don't I don't know what that is um you could give one example just the way I was I have just said I'm a producer I don't do this show yeah yeah that that was more or less the answer I expected thank you sure no problem and and Stephen TJ was talking earlier about how he got um a mysterious kind of sickness from the ranch um so I don't know TJ if you wanted to talk a little bit about that mysterious sickness yeah I can you know say that again like and I've talked about that publicly in the past I'm sure Stephen's heard you know my why is he promoting some mysterious sickness I had like about a nine month I always now I'm starting to wonder if he did pay um respiratory infection all he did is not talk anymore he's like giving up weird information identify it and call it whatever they want right talking alcoholism I know that I was sick I went to doctors we couldn't identify what it was yeah to that's because the testing that they were done the explanation I was given was and I'm sure somebody in the medical community or somebody who knows this more than I do can verify like you go to a doctor you get tested for like Street things um and maybe it's called a pallet or something that they test for I think it's him and I was not testing positive for anything that was being tested you know from the I guess what they were testing in the Northeast not to say that it could be something in the southwest that it would have been tested for I didn't I wasn't going back I had no intention of going back um and then again with the hearing you know the the constant hearing that I was attributing to like a a ttis that might you know I kind of processed and you know maybe the best definition was like an audio paradia right where you're you're you start to hear things the same way you have parolia where you see a shape in the cloud I'm change sound that's consistent with like radiation exposure so you know that's you gotta realize it's not that simple I gota like change like three different volumes diagnosis but event eventually you know these these things subsided and I had no intention of going back and I haven't been back in years and um the sickness man and I don't I have no intention of going back I'm not interested um so for whatever it is whether it is paranal bring up this weird paranormal story or something in the ground ke start talking more even going to turn not or something like that you can call it whatever you want I was impacted by something um and yeah left unknown to me so even my doctor was had said that it you know we don't know you define it as something alien sure am I saying that yet no but by definition it could have been identified as something alien to what they were testing for um tried that's it I have not I have not not saying you party space if that's your thing then go for it I'm not gonna judge but no tell should tell stepen Green Street that TJ um I think Ashton had his hand up and then UFO intros okay um so I just want to say just for the record out there that I paid UFO Shane $50 for his uh buy me a coffee cuz I felt bad for him so I just wanted to say that I bought Shane like $300 in pizza oh there we go who is Shane yeah explain like why people are giving him money Shane listen Shane is just a me he's a member of this community he's just a he's one he's no different than me or to anybody in here who doesn't who's just a user on UFO Twitter he's cartic yeah no he's he's he's a piece of [ __ ] but um yeah he's somebody that people can manipulate he likes to manipulate people ask for money and [ __ ] all the time and he's an alcoholic allegedly according to his friend Tiffany who mentioned earlier that's not me saying that that's his friend saying that he's just a guy on Twitter and he's always in he's always in some [ __ ] hold on Tiff mute up he's always in some [ __ ] and I'm very curious why that a lot of the payment stuff starts with him with this that's what's so [ __ ] like my husband's a lawyer he oh my God Tiffy there's no Tiffany there's I love you there is no way you're doing this right now there's no way throw your hand up uh Jesus God I love tip a Jesus Christ um uh Kimble you have for interest go ahead yeah I think uh with Shane he's both influenceable and influential and um I don't really have a lot of proof about this but I kind of had a hunch last spring that it was kind of like a weird like battle over winning Shane on these two different quote unquote sides or whatever but um too funny why I don't know if you want to characterize this group as like a hate group a lot of them are great people who hold great spaces they're holding one right now um there are a few of them that I think they're afraid of calling out and these people will just on a whn accuse people of the most awful [ __ ] they'll accuse amazing community members who have been around in this on this platform longer than me of you know censoring any dissenting voice like voices in their spaces which is just [ __ ] and so I just feel uh like they're they are hurting the community and however they're involved with this should be taken into consideration when we're trying to assess what's going on yeah real quick I just want to add in because I add think it have follow my question though that all them definitely love Lu zando like they have like shrines built to him and uh yeah also keemstar is definitely feeding off the drama like a vampire Ryan SE Crest just [Laughter] kidding so can someone explain though what these so I understand you know very well aware of these factions or whatnot but what is the current beef or the dividing line people angry all right I don't TJ here's the thing for real promoting something it's it's I just don't understand that's getting that's what I'm saying right I'm not saying that none of that stuff is relevant like it is like I started this space whether any of you guys were in here or not I was like listen there's going to be people on this panel who do not get along with each other who have issues in this community and I hope we can [ __ ] have this conversation but to go down that rabbit hole it's just going to it just opens up everything else and then it's going to come to this back and forth bickering thing and not the issue that at least I'm trying to talk about with you so it's not that we can't talk about it it's just like you know what I mean it's like a lot of stuff that's been going on for a while and people have their issues with people and I think there are a lot of Val stuff on on both sides you have people like there's like murder beef it's like some [ __ ] East Coast West Coast [ __ ] with some of these guys like and then they don't have to get along like I'm not trying to make everyone [ __ ] Kumbaya like I'm really not I'm just trying to have like a discourse because this came up right um I'm going to I gota say man I gotta tell you this so I look at this I look at this pyramid right I'm looking at it now which is hilarious and I I I pretty much have good relationships with everyone here that's we supposed to say much like we're just kind of you know neutral in the sense like he know heos to he's incriminating himself he says he knows everybody on the pyramid that's the guy that look like he's got fangs um I know everybody else and on all sides like I've talked I talked to everyone in this in this like the whole UFO Community right is yeah we're empty I want to hear TJ something that can be you know turned into some kind of entertainment property or a television show I always say this into a TV show you know and I told you this a thousand times Sean right I mean you and I know this like I look at everything with a TV bias I look at is there a show here if there is great if not I don't discount what you do I leave space for everyone to talk they can express their you know their feelings their their truth whatever you want to call it show here all what I do is I look for something that's entertaining that can be turned into some kind of series um and I'm I think even with Ashton like I said the same thing to Ashton up front like listen this is what I do right I look for this things ideas stories I can Elevate I love you TJ and if I can't then God bless you man go go do your thing um I'm not here you know my opinion doesn't matter I'm not here to judge TJ tell us if this UFO community have a uh greenal like Mick jumped in I asked him to come in he jumped in for a minute he was like I'm not interested in this drama and good on him um but I was trying to get all these other what I thought were the descending voices oh he talked an hour speaking on that right and Mike man I love you Mike I knew you were gonna I knew you would come through and I'm glad you're here with your hand up man um just real quick for the for the room I I'm going to I'm going to reread the the tweets that I saw just so the room get can get kind of familiar because people are messaging me like what are you even what are you guys talking about so I'm going to read these and then Sam has his hand up then we're going to get to Mike um so uh Darren Reed Dazzle woke eyye on Twitter he says hey TJ just wondering what is your connection to Skyfire news do you have a hand in that seems very similar to story fire and name and you seem to be pretty close with Tupa and ke they're also a producer with the Skinwalker Ranch show and there was recently a big scandal with UFO Shane being paid by someone he thought was from that team have you looked into that at all red panda koala is making a movie about UFO Shane it all seems a bit hokey to me uh here's another tweet that I saw and again I didn't look all into this this is literally what I saw on my timeline uh hello UFO Twitter seems like we have a thread to pull many may have heard that UFO Shane has been being paid by someone claiming to be a representative of Skinwalker Ranch R Panda koala is supposedly making a documentary about UFO Shane how are the two connected well keemstar runs Skyfire news which Panda works for Keem is managed by lfm management lfm management person in charge of Acquisitions is TJ Allard TJ Allard is a producer for Skinwalker Ranch it looks like there may be some alleged [ __ ] of foot my friends follow the money is drama being pushed on this community for the sake of entertainment is Panda being funded to create this film as a means to sew Discord in the UFO Community who is receiving payment for all this and who is paying um so again that's what I saw there might be more stuff out there couldn't tell you have not looked but this basically what we're addressing here I'm gonna throw it to Sam what's up Sam what up man I think this is a really important space that speaks to both the value of the community and the value of spaces because getting the ability to Hash this out and having TJ address these things is is really good I think it's exactly what um that post and Darren uh what he didn't want to happen was rational conversation happening over a post that was probably meant to uh distract to be honest and so I'm going to walk you through real quick what I think is happening uh based on my own experiences so um what you just read of Darren's tweet is almost identical um to what I read about myself from this exact same group I'm not going to mention any names but we all know that there's you know there's a specific specific group we're not debating that here's a prominent member of that group here's what they said about me after having been in the community for months I'll say it I think Tupa is being paid by alt-right Q people I think he's smarter than that than to say the things that he said I think he was getting paid behind the scenes to perpetuate violence and cause Division I have no evidence this is just what I think he produces videos for alt-right agencies one of them talk [ __ ] about the Tre project no guys we're just drinking so since I first got in the community I was I was myself from these accusations from the same people saying I influence I was anology Sam my name is Sam go by Tupac Cabra I'm not paid by anybody to push a message uh especially alt-right people like I you know I have a I'm a very real person and so the thing is is that if you come out of the gate with influence or you have any kind of um influence at all these things get said about you if what you do with that influence isn't in line with this particular group's views so what we're seeing here with this TJ Allard accusation is that theyve been exposed and they've been exposing themselves for months for months in spaces you guys can go listen to it it's been documented it's been posted about if you choose not to look at it that's fine but it's there to look at all right they've been documented they know that something's like they kind of expose themselves for doing something pretty [ __ ] up with the with a Community member named UFO Shane all right UFO Shane we talked about them everyone's shared their own opinion I I would say at the very least what and the very most of what I'll say about Shane because he's not in the room right now is that he was in a vulnerable position and I think people took advantage of them those people literally uh thing that you can watch anyone do if you've seen people be groomed ever if you've ever seen someone be groomed listen to Joe guys that's what happened to UFO Shane he was in a bad spot and they love bombed him they started showering with money if you think this is boring then listen to what Joe said if you want to learn everything in the world study people getting paid to do the influence game to actually division he's the person right they're the this is admission through projection the only people recorded doing anything like this are these guys and they used someone who is in a rough spot we've all I mean TJ if you guys if you guys haven't heard him speak if you haven't heard him at his worst when he's down guys why is this important the reason why this is important is that this is an information War as much as it is a war about finding the science we're talking about the people that literally are trying to troll anyone to death who finds this science at all on either side it's kind of messed up so we got to learn we got to learn how they operate Shane was ever gonna say h I'm gonna come out with everything they start to call him a pedo they start to call him a rapist they start to call him a drunk every every and this is what's really bad is that love bombing right this is when it becomes tragic is because they pull it away and even Shane he thought that he got his [ __ ] pulled away because he talked he talked about uh Skinwalker with Bartell and suddenly he wasn't getting calls anymore from fugle and I heard the pain in Shane's voice it reminded me very much of of what I saw with Lou Lou Angeles and people brush up against this exact group of people and if they're not pushing that message then they get attacked harassed conspiracy theories world around them it's exactly what theza said it's exactly what he said calling his PO officer with fake allegations so that's who whoever did call on um Shane and you know got us got him arrested is is not a good situation um I do want to get to a couple hands real quick yeah I want to because I want to like I like I said because people obviously coming in now um I started this space for anyone who doesn't know Mike see you're in here glad you're here I I wanted this to be like both sides of the coin to be able to say whatever they wanted to say um I'm not going to ass assume that I know what you think about this mik because I have not looked um I do know who some of your friends are maybe you agree with them maybe you don't but I am glad that you're here I wna give you the floor and I just want to say to everybody that is Speaker again there's a lot of you guys up here who do not like each other and that's fine I don't I'm not playing Kumbaya like you guys don't I don't care if you guys like each other if we can keep this respectful and get points out I would be [ __ ] very happy as the host Mike what's going on man hey what's up Sean yeah so um I just came back from a space I hosted where we talked to crash retrieval uh research it was pretty cool um anyways I did want to come in here I'm not entirely sure about the whole like Shane thing I will comment though I did hear talking thing at one point okay and it was like a little sus to me and like it reminds me of like working with like all these different like healthcare reps you know your ultrasound rep doesn't know much about whatever EKGs but if they see an opportunity they'll throw it your way and like you know it's just like media buddies man works on to this and at all that's probably why he's here and I don't know that it's necessarily good or bad but I just want news to be news and not dragging vets and uh yeah I mean that's all I don't Michael let me ask a question again only because again I'm [ __ ] really glad that you're here because I I [ __ ] hate Echo Chambers I hate them um so you said uh you don't know if it's good you know if it's bad is it your opinion that um yeah we need more people in here that it's it's there's like a [ __ ] hidden agenda behind it like I only saw the few tweets that I saw right I know that Darren put something on YouTube I haven't watched it do you think that this is a purposeful thing that TJ is doing since you know this is about TJ clearing his name or not whatever's going on like do you think that TJ has ill intent with what's been thrown out about him um so I I'm I'm gonna refrain from assigning intent what I will say is outrage cells so anybody who's looking for clicks views creating outrage you know maybe sometimes legitimate or not legitimate is what's going to sell so I see a lot of that is what's going on is outrage where there really shouldn't be so that's the big red flag for me as to who's responsible for that I I don't know I don't want to saddle TJ or anybody but it does seem to me like it's just outrage culture that's artificial I don't know TJ definitely jump in yeah I want to speak yeah definitely uh so to speak to that so I don't know about the outrage culture part of it but so I have to frame this correctly um Mike was barely is very in right and really branched out of these these very small Pockets that you'll find in social media and and YouTube Med you know like YouTube videos and whatnot and like heid said earlier you know in order for you to kind of get a story or to get some kind of information you need like a three-hour video or you got to read a long post of something in the current way that the world works most people don't have the attention spans to do that um and so what you know and and I I credit came for this term was calling the normies right so outside of this world outside of our the Twitter Community the UFO communities and whatnot um the normies see the face of the UFO stuff as uh step Greer right and so when you say that name in the people we all deal with normies too TJ no I understand that but the point I'm saying is you know who knows how to reach them because he has I don't know something like uh two and a half million followers teen so if this community is ever going to Branch out and reach a broader scope of people in a big and kind of bring other people into this V I'd rather have keemstar be the face of UFO need someone like to help elevate it so yes I did create Skinwalker Ranch yes that is the most prominent yes I did create sker ranch right now in pop culture you're gonna need other you're going to need supplementary help to to try to elevate the topic even greater and whether that's other stories or other television shows that's one thing but the television you know TV landscape is dying it's a DWI it's it's on its last legs there's no audience there what you now do is you bring in you bring in someone who understands where things are going and how things are how you can reach people now um and not saying guys I'm getting to feel like Mike just wants like a role right Mike just wants to be he wants a TV show because U mic show AKA Moonbase mic say like man you see you see something that's what this all comes down to is it get your thing man do it it's a way that nobody that is in this space or in any of these these spaces or even in this you know in this online community has been able to do so there it's not a problem to make the tent bigger right you want to more people come in and then you're going to get more ideas and more understanding and and more involvement um that's not a bad thing let me let me give you some push back how about this what what if and again just you know I don't I told you I was going to ask you whatever the [ __ ] came into my mind my mind y so what if this person uh has a drama background what if this person allegedly goes into communities and stir stuff up and it's just going to get Amplified do you think that that's relevant and again I know you're a TV guy you're a media guy I understand you make it very clear the lens that you look through and you see through are you able to see out of that lens in the context of what Mike is talking about so yes and I think that's more us applying what we think to what he's doing versus what he's doing right so if you're telling me so the the argument here as I understand it is because because Keem therefore drama no there was plenty of drama you guys just went you just told me like 30 minutes of stuff about people calling people names and racists and this and that it was always here so to shine a light on it you know like light sunlight's the best disinfectant to shine a light on it and kind of root out that nonsense so that people would take this more seriously because when you pitch this and I'll give you my experience anecdotally you know when I would pitch when I initially pitched Skinwalker Ranch uh to Discovery we were literally laughed out of the room and now they've come back since asking for other shows in this IL right but the number one show to represent skin or to represent UFO skiner Ranch I spent I my credibility for 20 plus years and then you start pitching this that's the number one show you see like there's another way that you're you're kind of perceived now that the show's I'm just going to say there's for improvement the the topic is kind of being elevated to a more serious heed what's up yes you're going to have these These Old School um ideas of battles and factions and whatnot are going to continue to play out but eventually that will go away that's in every industry and that's going to go away as more light is shined on the subject and then it's elevated to the point where you'll bring people into a normaly into an idea of an accepted hey there's something these guys experts um depends on what top Bri in here Brian's a great example of like someone if you think around the box right you don't think outside that box you think around the box to push people to push the box to grow around your thoughts and I think this is a great way to do that increase the size of that bring in more people bring in more ideas but root out that nonsense right this is all people holding on to they've created an identity based on their faction and once you can get rid of that then I think that this can be taken more seriously and grow and I think Keem is a good part of try to bring that to kind of elevate that yeah if I could jump in here real quick uh Mike and his buddies do not want the space to grow they don't want more people here because right now with the current numbers they have which is like 100 200 maybe at most they're able to like Bully and harass people but when the space gets much bigger and there's like millions and millions of people in UFO Twitter uh which is going to happen and I can guarantee you that that is uh you know my goal to blow this up and make much bigger um and accessible to more people uh they will not have that power anymore so that's one big fear that they have um Mike Mike's kind of a fraud right came in and he said you know I don't like how uh you drag veterans this is the second time he's made this claim what he's referring to is Greenwall pulling some um foyer request where it looked like uh David grush was lying all right we covered it we covered that plus Skyfire news covered David gush's response to that coming out Mike then turned that into you're dragging veterans so he is definitely one of these people in the hate group and these are their tactics they're dishonest he said he said outrage sales or what whatever he said he's the one with the outrage right you and your whole group you're manufacturing outrage 247 all you have to do is go look at your Twitter feed oh yeah is that why my hour and a half space was just on Research I did not interrupt you Sean you gonna handle your room or what yeah yeah was actually I couldn't talk with you the two of you at the same time yeah like Mike man you are [ __ ] scam of insults but okay yeah well listen I'm try hold on let's but let's do this Keem cuz like listen everyone's welcome here um how about this nobody has preferential treatment over hands besides t TJ and Chase because the space is actually Senator on TJ Keem M both you like again you guys it's a murder beef it's fine I don't care but let's let's stick with the hands uh absolutely UFO intros I think you were up go ahead I didn't finish what I was saying well I mean goad I don't want I don't want to give I don't want to give that's how you run spaces that's fine don't do that don't do don't gas to interrupt guys let me say this I don't hey let me say this that was me all right that was in me all listen that's actually true Mike did jump in on Keem let's not jump in but Keem did Skip hands so I'm just as the moderator I'm just trying to moderate like I don't have like so they both [ __ ] up if we're being real um everyone's welcome to [ __ ] talk Keem you were in the middle of something if you could wrap it up in 20 seconds and then we'll get the UFO intros let's just do hands please you're unmut I might just I just might hand my time over to keemstar M the room it takes two seconds since I've been doing this 15 years um let me give you some advice so when someone's mentioning someone directly then you let that person respond so the conversation flows so basically Mike mentioned me like three different times this accusation that accusation then DJ went and then you were going to go to a hand and not even let me respond wouldn't the room kind of be stumped you want a back and forth conversation to to I AB absolutely fair enough point taken I hear you but listen I'm I'm I'm doing you said 15 years I've been doing it for 15 minutes so I'm not it's not goingon to be perfect uh finish your point though bro to talk [ __ ] sorry that I'm coming at you but I just dude it's my my my my my skin is thick as [ __ ] it's fine I'm not taking a personal at all awesome awesome uh but I would say just go to Mike um go to his buddies and check out their Twitter feeds look what they're replying to all day you know you know calling people liars and this and that I mean it is a hate group they all they do is represent hate go look at their Twitter feed and they spend these crazy narratives these crazy conspiracies and um they're mad because they got a Target on their back but that's it uh UFO intros Kimbell yeah um red panda or Tupa did you guys have knowledge of TJ's affiliation with keemstar when you were talking to Shane about uh payments from Skinwalker Ranch that conversation but I'm only I'm just betting into to answer finally got some drama going the conversation about Shane and skin walker wrench took place over the course of I think of of a couple months just through the spaces he was holding and the things that he had said so like I you know what I mean that would be that's kind of a blurry area most last week though when you talked to Shane you know did you know about uh TJ's connection with keemstar and obviously TJ being the creator of Skinwalker Ranch well I definitely knew that TJ knew keemstar and I've known TJ for about a year or more just through spaces and through Twitter so like did you anticipate this reflecting like poorly on TJ I don't I still don't think this reflects poorly on TJ you're talking about does this conspiracy theory say I'm just saying I'm not saying it's real or legitimate no nothing in my opinion nothing reflects poorly on TJ this is 100% projection from a group of people and in this idea that like oh like this is this is interesting as well right there's this weird pivot that's not naturally happening and that pivot is okay this group exists but what about Keem in his history of drama hold the phone everyone in this room knows what drama's been going on for over a year with me directly and tertiarily with a bunch of other community members people have left the community be people have been harassed and docks out of the community it's all the same group doing it and all of a sudden someone shows up and goes oh that's actually drama and that's actually crazy and I'm gonna speak up about it and now he's the drama King and who's labeling them that the same people who were free to rain right they were free to roam around the pasture and pick off whatever sheep they wanted to everyone was fine with that as long as it wasn't them now Keem comes in and says [ __ ] hold the phone what I'm seeing is well researched what I'm seeing is well documented what I'm seeing is obvious to the to the regular person we've all been in the basement of UF all no offense Chase never had a referendum on this group when they've been doing their sh the past two years you know hard that's something a hate group member would say no one's in here making derogatory statements or anything these are just facts Mike I'm sorry no [ __ ] at you chase but I'm just saying like this I'm guys I'm G everyone's free but we can't like I we can't we can't [ __ ] just all jump in man like we can't uh uh Sam finish up your not I'm not saying like yo finish up I'm saying continue continue okay so like uh yeah that's that's what's happening I don't see any any conspiracy with TJ even with Brandon with Keem like the idea that that's shifting that honestly like it's people who were who were just last month chastising people for quote unquote conspiracy theories and now they literally created a YouTube channel with pyramid connecting dots where there's no connection and there and you know what I mean this is just a defense mechanism Watch What Happens I I implore everybody just you can make your judgments now you can say whatever you tweet your craziness tweet your support I don't care but pay attention and watch what happens in the coming months because we all have seen this happen none of us are sheeps we don't need to be treated this way the conversation needs to be open and free and when people come in and Bully it with with intimidation with slanderous remarks like you're dragging veterans what about what about uh Chris in here Chris is a veteran he gets dragged all the time you guys make fake rape and I mean you guys I'm speaking to the hate group members that are in the room right now fake rape accusations are one of the craziest things I've ever [ __ ] seen in any Community this is crazy you guys do it to every single person you don't like I mean the the it's it's rampant it's all the time and frankly and I'm gonna end on this note frankly you guys don't get to pick for me or my community or my friends who's good and who's bad you've proven your your intention you've proven your bad your bad faith it's just not good and so to sit here and think you can still push influence and convince us or the listeners what we're going to believe and what we're not with this hateful hateful like treatment is kind of bananas to think that we're that naive it's not you're not respecting our intelligence you're not respecting our critical thinking and that's exactly what we're supposed to be celebrating in this community so we're not all being followed and led around by a bunch of weirdos all right so goad go ahead Chas yeah I want I want to State again I said the same thing about the UFO hate group that I did about Darren's uh conspiracy they're individual people who have their own agendas who just happen to align with each other I don't think there's anything more than that um I don't think there's a giant conspiracy around it and um yeah that's that's all I'm going to say about that I think it was Chris and then uh I don't know who's next after Chris Chris and then Ash Megan also yeah Megan can't raise her hand um just go after uh Chris Megan so yeah uh TJ what's going on uh I'm the Chris that Tupa just talked about uh that's been here for about a year and uh came over from Tik Tok because UFO Shane who's been the subject of this conversation uh he messaged me probably for a solid month maybe longer uh you know you got come over this is where TW don't know who this person sounds like just a little background I had a little over 200,000 followers on on Tik Tok so uh I wanted to Branch out and you know when you when you get to that level where you start kind of growing a little bit I was like all right well I need to grow my other platforms and so I made my way over to Twitter and Shane brought me over here and Tupa was part of the first tweet that I was ever tweeted about uh in here where immediately drama started happening and I had no idea what was going going on I had no clue about any of this infighting or anything that was going on and somehow I got lumped into something because I guess Shane tweeted and tagged tupacabra in it and then next thing I know there's people talking about racism and all this all this crazy [ __ ] so that's kind of how like I I got introduced and I'm kind of giving you a rundown of a of a guy that came from another platform he been here for a year and tell take happen and so it's just through UFO Shane UFO Shane brought me here and I was in group chats and stuff that's how I met Kimble and a couple other people that are in here and uh you know I started started making a lot of friends and uh chats uh and there there were several that I I I've been in and out of come on Chris names kept getting popped up you know popping up and stuff like that and the thing about UFO Shane that you gotta understand when Shane is on his [ __ ] and he's on he is very charismatic deep metad the middle of he never takes a side he's got friends on both sides and mentioned yet so that's how kind of how Darren and that kmf and that group that that that's how he's in with them because I think you know Darren he calls him one of his closest friends and then you got people like me that was on this side before some stuff happened um and since then we squashed it the other day real quick Chris do what do you thank you for that what is what is your hold on cuz I want to I I have to I have to Corral this back to like the point what is your opinion what is your opinion on the the accusation that TJ Allard and keemstar are purposely sewing Discord in the community do you think that has any legs or no oh no then then you can go from there I'm just I can't tell when these people their whole life stories yeah no that's what I was trying to get but there's there needs a little bit of back story back I think so and I know people have mentioned drama alert uh while everybody was in here you know [ __ ] going off I decided to go through drama alert's page and I I've noticed that I don't see anything about the UFO community on the drama alert page so ke apprciate that Sky whole purpose and the intent behind this is to create and Trust I'm the skeptic in the room that probably begin with with what I objective um so yeah yeah cry about it uh so uh you know I'm sitting here and and so how did mull how did that go yesterday scheme with with Skyfire news um so you know I see an objective with Skyfire where the trolls at one two not aside but just bringing both sides of of a skeptic or a uh Enthusiast noose uh feed right it's everything that goes out in the community you know so that's what they're doing and they haven't they haven't otherwise shut the [ __ ] up uplifting y i I love you bro you're like I [ __ ] with you just just just throw a hand like I just cuz and I'm saying this Sean Sean Sean hold on man this is nonsense like we're professionals we're adults this is nonsense like if we're gonna have that kind of conversation I I'm not going to sing around for that yeah like like yeah let him interrupt I'm gonna leave as well so I mean I can't control someone hold on Chase I got it I can't control someone hitting a button jumping in I can only say something and then I have to go from there I'm trying to [ __ ] moderate this [ __ ] the best I can I started this if anyone wasn't here I'll [ __ ] say it again there's going to be people on the speaking panel who [ __ ] can't stand each other that's fine because it's two different sides but everyone can get their stuff off if you just wait a second I'm trying to [ __ ] get everyone to hurry up so I can get around to these hands like if we can do know name calling like go [ __ ] look at my first post like this goes for both sides like I'm not gonna I don't want it from either side like it's just just let's let's keep it [ __ ] respectful like that that's all do you want me to can I continue yeah yeah but then please wrap it up rule let's keep it short and then let's not interrupt you other people just keep it short don't interrupt thank you yeah so okay so basically uh UFO Shane has never mentioned from my standpoint from somebody that has been in multiple conversations with him the only people I know that has paid him is UFO intros which is Kimble and uh I think some sporadic people that give him money from here and there right so from there uh I think that there was tug of war with Shane that caused this issue and they there's one side that weaponized this against Skyfire news and then all of a sudden they try to create a conspiracy that Skyfire news is here to create drama and then they they they know they found out that TJ Allard uh is is uh associated with Keem and they're playing off of that and they're trying to say well he's the one you know Shane was getting paid by somebody from Skinwalker they made the insinuation that this is TJ Allard this is how this is how it happens this is they they always think somebody's getting paid there's always somebody that's that's being paid under the table to to to spread disinformation or whatever that's what they always say so that's the point to get to and that's great thank thank you thank you Chris Megan can't raise her hand she's had her hand up she's on a computer Megan I don't believe you have any side in this I would love to hear from you what's up thanks Sean I appreciate that also I think considering you normally do no hands in your spaces you're doing a great job uh so yeah and I don't I would say I don't yeah you're great I would say that I don't really have a side in this you're right about that I try to stay out of the murder beef to use your phrase um but so yeah I would say that in general I'm not really like I'm a deep dive researcher even I've heard about the UFO Shane movie a whole bunch uh I don't really get involved in that man everybody just wants to tell their whole life stories huh um and we know that Brandon fugle has heard about that movie or about Shane he knows about Shane he's talked to Shane Shane says you know he had DMS with him all that uh so I guess that my point of view is when I saw this is what the drama is about appar pyramid I definitely laughed because anything that puts Brandon Fugal like above no offense TJ your show I actually watched your show since then TJ it's great but uh anything that puts Brandon Fugal above other people seems below TJ sorry seems crazy uh but so the thing that I saw when I heard about this like connection between uh like Keem and uh TJ is that Brandon fugle right knows is aware of Shane came into space talk about Shane about this apparently Shane's out here saying Brandon fugle paid him all this stuff it makes sense that that might be something that Brandon fugle would not want spread around Twitter about him uh and that TJ also would have a vested interest in not having that stuff spread around Twitter since he's also invested in Skinwalker obviously uh so I guess when I heard about the Keem TJ connection the thing that I thought was this is interesting because if they are themselves business associates have both potentially some vested interest more so obviously TJ uh in the Skinwalker Ranch you know IP whatever you want to call it uh that Keem coming in and partnering with panda who's been working on the UFO Shane documentary that was more the connections between all of that than I saw than whatever weird pyramid thing was going on uh so I'd be curious what people think about that c can I please respond to Megan go ahead also she she she did ask for unless you're asking a specific person yeah I mean she did ask a question to whoever so go for it well I I can I can shut down that theory relatively fast um so one skin or excuse me Skyfire news has covered Green Street who is the number one Skinwalker debunker plus me personally when Green Street came out with his long form video tweeted at him and said great video like it's all there available for everyone I'm not an OP for skin walker Ranch although I do love the show um but yeah you know if negative stuff comes out about Skinwalker we're gonna cover it if positive stuff comes out about Skinwalker we're gonna cover it oh yeah I'll just say real quick Keem also I wasn't saying that I necessarily subscribe to that theory that was just what I thought the connections there were going to be so that t like the whole TJ's like Brandon fugal's boss thing seemed crazy and I wanted to give you guys a chance to kind of address that more in my mind reasonable angle of connections uh yeah I've seen some of the Skyfire news coverage seems great so far I know you know thank you Megan and we we definitely needed that little in between thing there I appreciate you Ashton I'm trying to do hands in order I'm trying to remember Ashton I think you're up ashon you there yeah I'm here sorry so one thing I just want to say real quick is Mike said something about medical Representatives that's not how any of that works I don't know if he's some kind of fiser salesman but he's definitely a fraud like keemstar said that uplifting tweets person is also just some kind of weird clout chasing loser their name is just like completely oxymoron um uplifting tweets but anyway I just no name Sean I just I just want to yeld again because that's the thing right like I I I I did I did and again I can't if someone says that I can't stop it right it's not like I'm allow sorry I was pushing no because here's the thing here's the thing guys like again I'm G say it just the last time a lot of you guys [ __ ] don't get along and don't like each other it's fine but just if we can get the points across without that that way someone doesn't have to say to me hey Sean didn't you say this and then I have to [ __ ] jump in again it's like it just makes it flow easier like Keem star was talking about the conversation flowing it just interrupts the conversation because if you call someone a name the other person's going to want to [ __ ] respond to it naturally so it's like and then it cuts the whole build off so Ashton go ahead man no I just wanted to yield the rest of my time to keemstar thank you and I apologize no problem man and I'll give the rest of my time to uh to both I think uh I think we're on I think red I think you're up right now I will give my time to red a much needed joint Chase if I chase hold on real quick real quick real quick hold on real quick I just want just Chase I'm about to go [ __ ] smoke this I'm still here I got one earphone and I'm about to go smoke a much needed blunt with my cousin Chase jump in if if you don't hear from me okay I I got you and I'm stopping smoking so I can go apply for jobs so thank you guys for making me want to smoke and okay here's my thing I wrote out not so I should be quick um real quick everyone go follow Skyfire news for the latest news to recap what we're covering here it's a conspiracy that Darren made that TJ Allard is at the head of this uh Skyfire scop on top of Brandon figal and keemstar and Mick West and L reviews and me and uh Green Street and Black Vault these allegations came immediately after the UFO Shane story broke where he was claiming he was being paid to push narratives online and to Haack the critics of Skinwalker Ranch these are his claims and I think these are just classic what we see that group do whenever they get exposed on some things they kind of try and muddy the waters and flip the um allegations uh this is the narrative control mechanism since day one Skyfire has been attacked accused of dragging veterans I personally think liso's message was directed at the Wikipedia Scandal and at Skyfire there was definitely like we had that UFO podcast and Stan for better both part of that like greater Network come after us Skyfire and also Ashton are examples of researchers and media that exist outside of this control system that exists within disclosure Skyfire and Ashton should be allowed to exist no different than Liberation times or when that UFO podcast DRS photo we're all just people researching the phenomena um and we see what happens to people we see what happens to L reviews to Jeremy MC when you step outside of this thing that they so that's what I want to say okay thank you red um I think UAP Mike is next and then Mr America um I do see Lou down there um if someone wants to drop down so we can get Lou in uh I I want him yeah I want to let him respond to some of this if possible so um UAP Mike man yeah thanks Chase um when I think about again the outrage machine that I'm seeing that is completely artificial for the most part I don't see L um I could go to Yankees Twitter and see people threats um go some idiot on this platform said I'm a pedophile and Tupa liked it the other day uh so like you know there's just like you know people are doing dumb [ __ ] and tup apologized to it and I forgave him I said hey man like I didn't take it that serious because I'm not even though that's a pretty serious allegation and uh and I said t I forgive you for liking that post even though that was a really ugly thing to like um so you know man like bad [ __ ] happens for sure Bad Blood happens personal U mic isn't it in my opinion of day this is like the biggest clown [ __ ] I've ever seen in this community and all of you guys that are perpetrating this clown [ __ ] are look G to look like the biggest clowns ever so and Mike what what do you mean um I'm just asking what do you mean by uh clown [ __ ] this idea that like Lou alzando is running some sort of sop to suppress keemstar and Tupa and [ __ ] Lou reviews that [ __ ] idiot like n none of that's true they're all a bun the common Den look we're all in bad positions because of ourselves not other people start taking responsibility for yourselves so wait I got to say something here like I I I really I'm sorry um you know I don't like going attacking each other and all of this like I get it you know there's a lot of like you know kind of like people staking their ground right it's the thing is it's not anyone's thing right and I think that people have taken this on with they defend their ideas and they become those ideas and I think it's the bigger the bigger thing here here is there is something going on in the UFO World phenomenon right there call it however you want to identify a speaker here we go um put whatever term you want on it and this is going to get more dramatic l is the exper gas lighting The Chopping everyone's legs out from each other and insults and this and that like we got to get past this stuff and order for it to get Traction in the bigger context of things like these this little stuff and we have to stop attacking each other what we're watching this is a watershed moment as far as I'm concerned that we're seeing like again shining the light on all of this to kind of say like hey this is the problem that the group has as a whole how do we get past this like we all collectively agree like everyone's going to have their opinions and that's great there are no experts here because no one knows anything going few people that actually have anything and I've said it on the record multiple times like people like Brandon who are you're gonna have to have individuals not government not anything put their own time money energy and resources into push the musical and once you can do that people like you need components here you need this core Community you need someone like Keem involved to kind of elevate that Community you need a show that's reaching the current people in their in the way that they have now like Skinwalker does you need all of these things and then eventually it's just going to be too much the dam will have to break and information will come out I think Mike just has like main character system Peg after Peg after Peg is not helpful to anyone I'm just saying like I prefer like if we can keep the insult at the minimum and all of that that'd be awesome TJ just sayas see keem's got his hand up man go for it I I agree with you one second Keem I know Mr America's had his hand up for a while and he has been requested for a while so I want to give him just a quick opportunity speak and then we'll let Keem go and then uh I kind of lost track of who's next but we we'll go from there so Mr America this is just gonna serve as a pallet cleanser to be honest with you I'm I'm just an observer listening to both sides of this because I don't have a dog in the fight the ad hobim got to [ __ ] stop like that [ __ ] is not helpful you got to keep in mind everyone involved in this conversation this space we're in this together we can't [ __ ] count on the government to give disclosure we're the [ __ ] disclosure so these at homonyms these insults being lobbied back and forth don't [ __ ] work they don't even they're not even [ __ ] relevant all it does is it tears into the conversation it's like claws on a [ __ ] chalkboard and I'm like okay like can we just have some decorum a little bit of [ __ ] decorum I understand that people are upset with each other for having differing opinions or whatever whatever the differences are because I'm new to this I don't know what the deep-seated rooted issue is with everybody but [ __ ] all that [ __ ] we're all here for a reason we're trying to get knowledge we're trying to share that with each other need to [ __ ] tear each other apart that takes away from what we're trying to achieve so just enough with the ad homonyms if you have a direct in uh not insult sorry if you have a direct accusation make it [ __ ] direct so the person that you're at you're saying that to can respond to that directly and we can have a back and forth It's civil because this [ __ ] don't [ __ ] work when you're you're like you're a [ __ ] PDF you're a [ __ ] idiot you're a [ __ ] stupid piece of [ __ ] what the [ __ ] that's like barroom talking [ __ ] like that don't work here like like I'm just trying to listen from a a neutral position basically so I want to hear both sides but when you guys start [ __ ] insulting each other that don't do any good it does it takes away like I almost start tuning out when that [ __ ] starts happening hey Mr America I just wanted to say up in the space up in the nest I threw my research I did a research space tonight this stuff is too much for you I I don't I'm just trying to help somebody who is having a problem there's a research space where we talked about research you can go listen to it if this stuff is too much for you man I you're missing the point though I think you're missing the point my my point is I want to hear what you have to say and so does everybody else hear especially when they don't have a dog in the fight I want to hear what you have to say when it comes down to insults and [ __ ] that don't work you got to just go back and forth Civ so we can actually hear what the actual accusations are being lobbied that way we can hear the res the the rebuttal to that so we can see what it is and let's hash this [ __ ] out makes no [ __ ] sense for us to keep arguing back and forth let's hash this [ __ ] out all right I think I think you guys hear each other I think you guys hear each other um I I wanna I think it was um Jim siman who said um the real problem is uh there's there's [ __ ] nhi here on Earth um so let's let's kind of keep that in mind that you know there's something going on that's not drama related um I do want to get to I think it was Keem and then um Tupa or red panda I don't remember which yeah I just want to say I promise you I'm not trying to play a violin over here right I'm not trying to give you a sad story right I'm not playing the victim but I'm just being factual since I've been in this community I I have been on the defense every single day every single day somebody from Mike's group has accused me of something attacked me for something you know found some old you know documentary where I was getting cancelled like five years ago this allegation that allegation right every single day ready starts with that camp and that camp attacks everyone Mr America came out and just gave a nice neutral speech about hey look we we need to keep our eye on the goal All This infighting is distracting us what does Mike do starts attacking him no I gave him a re no yeah I was gonna say Mike was just making a point that he purely he Ted UAP face are you the law for I'm so confused am I a lawyer no I have my own opinions I have no you seem like for the hate group PR no I just think I think honestly all thatas this is why we're here when you actually state facts that just tells you what's really going on here's the thing I I can promise you this I wasn't done speaking I can promise everybody this right they can attack me every single day every single day I have enough energy and enough experience that I've done this my entire [ __ ] career to be able to De deal with all this nonsense and still break news stories and still be wildly active and still grow this community there is no stopping this train and that's what they fear the most they think the tactics they've used on normal nto5 people with with jobs that come over and they have an opinion and they scare them off the internet through doxing and harassment and memes and all that that is not going to work here and so they got a big roote Awakening for them in the next couple months Fair news is two weeks old and it's already pulled 7 million views and to address some things I feel like I have been nothing but respectful in this conversation um so uh yeah I just want to state that and I think I have a honest respectful opinion on things and I don't try and attack people so if you feel like I'm being attack you're I'm attacking you I'm sorry I'm just stating my opinion um now who's next uh I do I don't know if L raised his hand or not I want to give him a chance to say some things if he has anything to say um if not we'll we'll move on to to the next person yeah yeah just real quick I I I think it's safe to say that nobody in this entire room hates me I'm pretty neutral with everyone everyone is very happy with the things that I do so just uh yeah I just want to keep that the same uh and I don't want to ruffle any feathers but I will say I find it [ __ ] hilarious that because TJ Allard and Keem know each other there's a consp iracy now all of a sudden but when Dave grush is going to UFO conferences and having lunch with George knpp and Jeremy Corbell no conspiracy there whatsoever so yeah anyway have a great night L reviews comes up big with the big Zinger I love it I'm going to be honest I I did not expect that from L that was like Robert or the last second you got Kobe and Sh in the game oh that was one my that's maybe my favorite moment of the space so far that was really good um yeah I think I just want to address one thing and then I'll get to my main point is that like um when Mr America did make his really good appeal to all of us to be just you know to be our best selves so we can get to the better result right um while Mike Mike's comments on its face might have been okay you do realize he cut him off and then he said yeah uh if you don't want to deal with this drama go to my space just go to my I recorded I did it you know and that's fine but the troubling part about that is Mike is literally part of the hate group so for him to be like oh yeah I'm above this come to my SP that's like a weird hijacking of of what the intention was and I think that's that's why I laughed about that when I also want to say Chase and Sean you guys are crushing it you're doing a great job hosting the space it's you know it's a big space there's all kinds of people going at each other's throat so uh thank you I commend you guys for that um I think we have to to address just the conspiracy right of what the the conspiracy is um really we have two options we have did TJ Allard because this is what um Darren proposed right TJ Allard Brandon Fugal right these kind of really big players people on their own accord very successful have a lot honestly have a lot to lose right a lot I mean reputation wise the show I mean they have a lot to lose um the conspiracy that Darren put forth is that uh these people um paid UFO Shane a guy who gets drunk and high on or I won't say high but a guy gets like very drunk like blackout drunk that's part of his shtick like he doesn't hide that but like it's literally part of his shtick like these guys go let's risk our entire [ __ ] career on UFO Shane let's give him $800 a month and then uh you know that's that's one option right I agree that's one option the other option um we should start to consider mon we know paper trail between Shane and Community not people in the community and that that was used to push influence we do know that there is a group of people who definitely have used and will use and apparently want to use vulnerable people uh just to use them to push this weird kind of petty the petty kind of influence right like you know someone who works in media this Credence to Darren's conspiracy Theory because I understand like at the level that TJ's at and you know the show's at there's a lot to lose is a big risk while I do understand the value of guerilla marketing um it just never it didn't pass the smell check to me that they would do that especially since they're in the community doing all this stuff and if there's a leaky boat out there would be a drunk guy who screams on Spaces in emotional ways you know like but there is a group of people when Shane was was arrested that he was actually on the phone with that he was talking to literally when they showed up to get him for a warrant that he he wasn't swatted he wasn't abused he wasn't a victim of anything how much pay for that how much he pay for while he was in jail he spoke very highly said he spoke every single day to a core group of people those people are in the hate group he said you know I mean that's what he said repeatedly oh I talked to them every day they were the nicest people we know that there's love bombing and grooming going on by these people we know that so like you know I'm like okay so you get arrested you're on the phone you're talking you're doing all this stuff like what's more likely right so that's what we're looking at that's what we're that's kind of what we're facing here is like if we want to give Credence to this theory of of uh darrens and these guys we have to first know that they P for it over six million if if the finger gets pointed at them for all of their actions they've done over the past two or three years to Men Women children researchers scientists doctors uh NASA government Patrick politicians if they don't want to get the finger pointed of them for the recorded things they've done to all those people purchased it in 1996 for, seem like a quick and dirty [ __ ] uh in the water smokees screen well so they can escape but we should pay attention to what they're claiming because what's more likely here in my opinion because we all know I'm trying to characterize them as fun and as honest as possible Right has just real quick T but I don't know has he given any actual names of the people who were sending him money so Lou he he's given Bitcoin addresses and um Tiff brought up earlier that it was he likes to gamble that the address screenshotting or or um his evidence as the the payments towards were actually probably from a gambling site um which because there was2 billion dollar worth of receipts and I I don't think I don't think Brandon Fugal has2 billion dollar in receipts towards Bitcoin that's I mean maybe he does I don't think so um I I I don't know maybe TG can help um it seems highly unlikely so I don't think Brandon or anyone from Skinwalker was paying uh UFO Shane to talk about Skinwalker real quick Chase does that mean that someone was posing that way or do you think Shane was lying outright or do you think he really believe that someone from the camp or someone from the show or someone from the ranch Bitcoin talking he sounded kind of like super you know he sounded like when he was talking to in that recording again Skyfire news you got to check that out if you guys want to follow all this stuff up to date but like what do you chase like that is a good question I will withhold my judgment until further Evidence comes out but um my my own opinion is that you know who knows U maybe he was lying maybe someone was imitating uh someone from skin walker Ranch and got him riled up can I can I just add I mean look I I've got my issues with Brandon Fugal and some of the things that they're doing but just as someone who's had him on my show five or six times and I've had a lot of the cast members from the show uh on my show a few times I've never once ever been offered a dollar from anyone on that ranch it sounds almost like he's jealous so it doesn't track when Shane is making a whole bunch of accusations and then gets asked directly by The Source I mean brandom asked him directly hey who sent you that money so I can nip it in the Bud right now and the answer was uh uh I don't remember it's like well wait how do you not remember somebody sending you $800 a month it's just it doesn't make any [ __ ] sense so it's not that I don't I want to disparage Shane or or knock him down I I think I think he is genuinely a Believer but I also think that there's a lot of other stuff going on with Shane and and I think people sometimes exaggerate some of the things that are happening to them or correlate things and you know go from a to d without stopping at Big 200,000 I just found so I don't know man I I think I think that's a great Point L that I do want to get hand got a lot of hands up so I think it was Chris and then uh I'm gonna say UAP Mike then screen and then we we'll just have to figure out from there because I I don't at some point after after the this run to hands if we can get Brian up here if Brian's available to speak Brian RL is here and I would love for him to put his take on all of this because Brian has an incredible lens to look through this stuff um and to kind of you know give us an analysis in a different from someone who is truly not in this group but is one of these groups that kind of uh you know that kind of overlaps with this um in the tech and AI space and I think it would be really beneficial for take a lot away from that so but yeah please and maybe Chris Bartel would be cool to come up if he wants to come up he's more than welcome to request if I kick you down just just know it's it's out of love and it's not because I don't like you so we're just trying to move speak we got a lot of requests so um Chris we had a good exchange uh I think it was yesterday um you wanted to add something you see that message yeah I was I was gonna say basically what uh Lou said um I was on his Show recently theil pretty much right on the head and I really do think like like I said I I got to know Shane pretty well and even I would probably Al history hours I'm gonna ask Shane look man there's a good possibility that it seems like you you might have exaggerated or maybe made this up because Brandon fugle hopped right in the portals come out I that's the one thing about Brandon fugle that I'm going to say like out of all of these UFO celebrities and stuff Brandon's always the one that comes in spaces and he always is is very professional and addresses everything and he does it very well so I do think that there might be unfortunately a little bit of exaggeration to claims going on and I think L hit that on the head might be a little exaggeration coming from a standpoint of a skeptic that I just kind of try to trace the the best way I can that kind of seems where everything's starting to point just from where everybody saying if you were in the space Brandon did ask him and he did stumble and I'm just going to be honest with you if I'm getting paid I know who's paying me you know what I mean like I'm just going to know who's paying me and uh the fact that he didn't answer to Brandon uh when Brandon asked him directly was kind of a big indication so that that kind of just what drawn me out of all this but uh want to get real quick to Mr America uh I thank you for what you said earlier and as I don't know how many people I think I'm one of the only few veterans in here I'm G I'm gonna tell you right now man like as as a skeptic I get it from from everybody like there's two sides that you obviously heard there's a hate group side and the other side as a skeptic I get it from both sides right um I will tell you that uh I am the person in this room that has been called everything under the book I've been they have found somebody with my S they found my LinkedIn and uh they did share all of my information because different people including Matt Ford was coming out and he was putting my information out there and uh that's the stand for better group um and then on top of that I've been accused of things is is it's incredibly disgusting as I supposedly raped somebody uh that I got kicked off of Tik Tok for exposing myself to miners uh stolen bow all of these things that like are the most disgusting things you can think of has been said about me and I'm going to tell you right now man this is just coming from a guy that's been here a year I'm a skeptic so I don't really give a [ __ ] on what side of the to be honest with you I don't care what side of the AIS it is it came from a certain group and their here right now and it and and they perpetuated this stupid [ __ ] and it was really cool because in astral you guys see astral down there in one of his spaces recently just so happens that a woman that was in my live on Tik Tok when that [ __ ] got taken down uh despite what people have been saying she was there and came in astral space and she said hey uh I was there and actually what what he got kicked off for that is actually what happened and it was one of the coolest things because it also brought a long Asal and it was just like a cool a cool really I'm going to tell you man just as a veteran that is here in this community uh the people that act like they do care about veterans okay it's a [ __ ] front man uh the people that have come at me for the [ __ ] that [ __ ] lies uh they they want to sit here and they want to prop up David grush and and say he's this veteran and this veteran but when you go against a narrative like I have they don't give a [ __ ] if you're a veteran they don't care and I'm I'm leaving it at that so you make of that what you want I see you have the American flag there right there I I served that flag so I'm gonna tell you right now this is cold hard facts they don't give a [ __ ] about veterans unless you're going with that narrative that's all I got to say I'll even drop down all right thank you Chris for that chis chis UAP mic and then screen cool yeah so just two quick things um and and listen listen close everybody this is some of this stuff has been going on for a while and I I kind of saw how crazy it was getting UAP might talk it's a lot of clownery like there's a lot of clowns involved myself included so I decided to make a little wager with a little man who's on the speaker panel and he had to pay me a $100 because king milk fart didn't go to jail I actually made money because king milk fart is still free so that's that's that's that's funny thing number one all right moving on from that um [ __ ] yeah that was probably about it I just I just wanted to let you know that uh you know I won money off of King milart being free and this is you guys you guys can't take this too seriously like ke's insulting my marriage I mean come on like let's not got to laugh it off a little bit all right thank you Mike um screen you got something you wanted to add uh yeah I uh I I just wanted to add similar to Chris uh I get it from both sides right um and you know we can pretend one side is worse than the other uh but it just depends on who's getting it because uh you know I I feel it from the side that I used to be more associated with more nowadays you know so it's uh everybody brings something different to the platform a lot of people are themselves just like they are on and off the internet and some people just think it's a you know area to troll uh you know so it's like when there's not like clear guidelines this [ __ ] tends to happen right um but I will say I do think uh Shane is probably lying about what was going on I am actually the one that uh pushed him the other night over the edge when he was talking about oh I got the Bitcoin address I can send it from my old phone it's my my roommates got it right here I'm like what you waiting for bro go get it and he's like fine and then he goes and sends it uh I I don't think he was planning to do that the whole time and I kind of just pissed him off and forced his hand and uh you know there there is no reoccurring payments those were the only payments there is no no other payments where he's getting paid $800 a month um you know it is it is kind of crazy but uh you know like I I it is concerning when there is uh something claiming to be news that uh how do I put that's not necessarily news you know what I mean the tone let me just mention about those payments real quick because they're relative to them um the that's the second thing I forgot I'm sorry to interrupt I did say I had two things uh the second thing I was going to mention is that there is a person that tried to extort Shane I know the person who sent Shane to jail is Fred rers he has a real name that starts apparently I don't know much goes anyways he had sent Shane some sort of thing and I don't know it's [ __ ] insane uh and that guy has a lot of money to play with and I'm curious if these payments that were to Shane were someone's way of [ __ ] with him and then they're like yeah go do some [ __ ] about Skinwalker Ranch right like it's just this do it's just a [ __ ] game to somebody yeah but like the push back on that is the the part that chase mentioned about uh the gambling website um if you pull up those receipts uh it seems to have been being like had a shitload of money in it be paying people out in certain increments and the fact that he got paid uh like two little payments for that is kind of like uh kind back $800 my whole point is being that even I don't give a [ __ ] about whole Space is supposedly about $800 um about the hate group oras pushing back on somebody's wife uh about being in other people's DM and [ __ ] uh that that's all drama to me and that's the only time I hear it is is in spaces when people are talking about it uh having been attacked by both sides it it it's like it if you just ignore it it it tends to to go under the radar but when we get in these spaces and do do this right here this is what brings the numbers and this is what people are going to keep tuning into and at the end of the day it's our fault you you're right there screen that's for sure um I'm going to let I was yes I was gonna I was gonna get to Keem and then Ashton then Mr America sorry where you are in that lineup but I just want to respond okay I just want want to respond about a couple things first of all uh sky fire news didn't mention Mike's wife at all keemstar did I did right and yes I own Skyfire news but that's two different things it's not like a post over on Sky fire news so uh and the reason why I did is because he's a man I'm a man you know if his wife's being unfaithful uh privately and publicly you know he should know about it so I let him know about it yeah that's some f bro yeah but you can't claim that you're separate from your own company bro like so then can do all the dirt you want to as keemstar and Skyfire it gets off scott free that's [ __ ] let's let's Also let's keep this space respectful you know let's let's not try and you you just interrupted but um those are two different things those are two different entities uh but yeah I mean she was his wife was you know publicly calling L zondo hot and you know he's in marriage they had vows and he should know about it not to mention well he knows about it you know whatever he wants to do with that information is up to him um let's let's not put that in this space um I wna I didn't bring it up I didn't bring it up Chase I was responding it doesn't matter um Ashton what's up um yeah thanks I'll keep it brief of course um yeah I just want to say I think that lure views pretty much wants an endorsement from Skinwalker Ranch and Mike wants the uh main character role and also just that I had heard the rumor of Mike's wife in the DMS as well I just I just saying I heard that rumor and it's out there I just asked Keem not okay whatever Mr America and then red I'm gonna serve as the pallet cleanser once again don't do side attacks on people's spouses that's [ __ ] weak bro we're men don't let's not do that like please don't do that that's [ __ ] ridiculous don't do that um I'm gonna give a back story on who I am and and why when people are bringing up substance abuse and we're trying to Black Label someone oh they drink to black out like this space is talking about things that are greater than us that we don't understand I've had at least two or three nervous breakdowns where my whole nervous system shut down because I was being shown too much too fast to where I did do the same thing Jack's my poison so I go to Jack Daniels because it resets my nervous system and shuts it all down I've been in a [ __ ] shower for like two hours Frozen because I'm in a state of like uh uncertainty because of the things have been shown like I'll give you even a quick story of what happened last night just found out what a wolf moon is by the way today last night I'm staring up uh at a cluster of stars I see UFO orbs these white orbs that I see for [ __ ] ever I've seen them since I was like 17 I'm 38 now and I'm staring at them and while I'm staring at them a [ __ ] white ow flies over me so people digest information differently so when you try to to discredit someone because oh they have a substance abuse you don't know why they're [ __ ] doing that drunk like it's not necess they're a terrible person [ __ ] happens man like life is [ __ ] crazy I hear the this guy is alcoholic learns what werewolf moon is which I don't know what that means and then goes outside and sees a white owl F overhead that that's the story he just told like that's why I'm saying we cannot be divided we can't afford to be [ __ ] divided on this [ __ ] and be like oh you're an idiot you're this you're that just this shit's [ __ ] wild to begin with this so we don't need to be [ __ ] aggravating each other and [ __ ] throwing knives in each other's backs come to [ __ ] together be men we're [ __ ] men for Christ's sake here's the thing I agree with I agree with a lot of what you're saying you got to understand though like if if we're move this forward um thisd is GNA be it's going to have to happen we're going to get through all of this that was weird chat the bigger part of all of it is that if hope you guys like Friday night drama not gonna help the cause like you have to take that you have to look at look at the bigger things that are happening and then TJ's taking it so seriously from like it's a it's a meme we're talking about a literal meme chat a literal meme this what I what I really like about this is supposedly what this whole stream's about it doesn't matter like there's no we're showing this is what the whole stream's about you know excuse me you see the story but you don't see the context behind the story right it's it's not the opinion there's no like this happened and this sucks you don't see that I feel like Keem star should be at the top of this pyramid and then TJ Allard down here next to Brandon fugle you can discuss you make your opinions like another great this is for the I feel like I should be on the third row here I don't know why Shane's on it oh I guess cuz he's right Lou reviews right the way Lou is handling this I was really complimentary the way that he went at the whole thing treating it like a news Outlet like a news Outlet editorial to it but you knew that you were getting thatal right so there was M guys but I think if you build the ecosystem a literal meme is what our whole Space is about you have the straight news coming from the Skyfire and then the other people who have their opinions can chime in just like a regular news Outlet regular new news Outlet you can add your cont our a little too seriously here you can add your take on something and I think that in order to legitimize this again this is professionally expensive when you try to take this to people who are not in this world and it it's not always received like as a serious topic but if you can build the ecosystem to become a serious topic now you give it legs and then when more people get involved I I swear I can see these spaces with you know 10x this in the future in a simple very easily because more people understand this and they want to talk openly I've talked to and a lot of people in here can can attest to this I've had these conversations for the last few years with people that have experiences I don't judge I don't it's not my place to judge but if you can create a space where more people will come forward with information with experiences with things that you have not seen in the past then I think this is how it grows you're going to just like you know a rising Tide Rises all the shift right I think that's what you need to do I mean this whole Space is literally about a meme if we can do that and get through about the idea that some reason TJ allard's convincing keemstar to destroy UFO Twitter I think this is awesome first step to kind of move it UFO Shane was paid red and then it's gonna be still not clear screen then America so red what's up what's what's on your mind okay I took notes I'll try and be quick I took notes um there's two people here people are free to start a new space about any UF topic they want everyone wants peace but this group attacks anyone and it is counter an manipulation and counter Intel manipulation is a part of the UFO subject just as much as any sighting if not there's more documented evidence of that than there is of aliens uh it was just mentioned by P and Rogan this group um L reviews is perfect example textbook counter Intel tactics decid Voices Love It the implications of what we're talking about regards are secret payments for narrative control he was just one voice um amongst the Sea of of support or desent that we see that bad tactics like I'll background locky Martin says I haven't followed along this beef at all science and M and UFO MH370 talk is interesting but from an unbiased view that lure views uh fellow needs waterboarding everyone else seems okay needs a chill payment and dirty payment tactics being deployed and you think they wouldn't if if you think the uo subject is real you think they wouldn't like have some weird control mechanisms on this thing while they're rolling it out look at Macwan look at Green Street look what happens to people who talk outside of this narrative um and then I'm actually have a question for Kimble Kim could you just speak to the room of what your understanding was of the the brand ambassadorship Shane had during those months as a somebody who it sounds like was at least a little bit of aware of what was going on there okay red I want to comment a few things you said unless you can prove that there's some monetary gain or otherwise um influence over the community I I just can't buy into that um so unless like reviews what changed in your show in the way you were treated by this community what was that because you were in Center you I I understand that I understand that and I I've heard L speak on this before um I I'm saying um unless there's like some monetary gain or um evidence that shows a direct towards um an influence campaign I I I just don't buy that I think really if anything there's evidence uh it's my personal opinion I wouldn't say there's evidence it's my personal opinion that um arrow is kind of an influence campaign um now I don't have evidence for that um Beyond just like arrows and influence campaign if so they're not doing well chat kind of a Handler to Kurt Patrick but that's you know that's simply just my opinion that's not GRE Street was kind of weird ask weird the dodig report disparity with the um Sean Kirk Patrick claiming he's a turn by the way he's out a turn once again's a whole threat account that has evidence of this of connecting Lou Alando to these figures got accused of rape when he proved Lando lied louws his show got attacked when they asked Lou that question and everybody gets close to this counter Intel dude and then happen about the sock accounts that he was using to also do this use Target harassments of critics back in 2018 yeah it doesn't surprise me that they do sock puppets necessarily um I'm not going to say I agree one way or another but uh I'm back just letting you know I'm here I wasn't there before that was long that was a long smoke break it wasun thank God yeah we can see your message Lobster mostly important conversation we were having and then uh kind of smoked after but um just real quick so sorry I literally wasn't even listening uh is everything good here are we on topic do we need to change the topic we're good we're good we're going all right cool chain is Al's son we just learned no I'm just kidding that's a joke okay um all right now I I don't remember who is next I'll be honest um so if you are next if you would just say so yeah I think it was me okay Lou and then we'll go Keem and then we'll go from there um what I just wanted to address some earlier that Ashley said that I'm looking for Brandon fugal's approval um I have publicly very much had a Fallout with Brandon Fugal uh and you know if you guys want to ask him a good question and it's a question he can answer me G if the skinwalker phenomena is real it really attaches itself to people he want approval from is that members of his crew visiting and handshaking and hugging people at UFO conventions you know if they're so afraid of it spreading around why are they doing that you know I think isn't it isn't it like the place giv sor isn't it the place gives you a a um I'm sorry I can speak to this a little bit I can speak to it a little bit like the idea of so I think this is just my take from my again anecdotal experience of being out there um and L knows like and I talk you know we have good relationship like my take on all of it is it it what my experience was it was there um when I was sick when I was like you know I felt I was you know contagious or literally okay one more question then we're going I wasn't doing that and I if we can get to it I don't know I'm not a doctor right so I if we can get to it we're going to challenge the the lons transmissible or whatever but I know that the the the the symptoms I had were consistent with certain like exposure or reactions to things whether that is based on being in that place at one time um that's what it seemed like and that's what my you know doctors had said but I I understand what your point is you know the idea of is this is this something that's contagious are you spreading it around maybe there's just don't know enough but I get it um and I just don't I I I'm going to go and say like I don't think we know the extent of any of this um because there is this weird thing where certain people react and certain people don't what's what's TJ talk about something as simple as you know you're susceptible to it your IM susceptible to it again if we want to Define it as like was using the spooky pox we could do that um we just don't know and I think it's okay to not know think it's okay to not know right no no no and and I understand I understand what you're saying but if that is the case then why not have universities come to the ranch and study it why not actually have some science issu how hard is it to learn and connect to various series not very hard take a look at my pin if you want to go through the evence 14 pages is pretty long comp it's broken up in categor itself to people's given people cancer it has supposedly killed people it has gone to people's children outside of the ranch so if that is true what are they talking about why are you guys going outside the ranch and doing you know basically Rock Tours around the country you know and in handshakes with people it's it doesn't make any sense I I I don't know about I mean and I'm not saying that you know maybe that's out there I I don't know anything about that personally um but I'm not saying that you don't like that may have L think that there's a zombie virus quote or somebody said I I just don't know that um yeah the only reason the only I mean I talked to Brandon about this on the phone for three hours you know so like I had a very extensive conversation with him three hours he talk about spoken since so I just wanted to squash the idea of this idea that I'm trying to get his approval like I don't give a [ __ ] about his approval I could give a [ __ ] you know like all I all I want to know is is the truth about the r you know if that's the case or if like l wants to end you know and I I think you and I have talked about this him and I have talked about this like look dude if this is like a thing that you're trying to do for the state of Utah and make like a new Area 51 or a new Roswell like I totally get it like I [ __ ] get it fine but just say that's what it is and if it's not then actually get some real scientists because I mean again like we had a three-hour conversation like why aren't why isn't the University of Utah or you know BYU or any one of the 24 universities in the state of Utah screaming at the top of their lungs to study this Ranch don't doesn't anybody find that a little weird I think they did though all seriousness didn't didn't they have a a university and this is I feel like I read that recently like because I'm not there dayto day right that's not what I do I'm the co-creator of the show executive producer I think TJ in the beginning was saying something about having like long Co or something some kind of mystery you get that no but no I know that I know you're not yet no you and I we've talked like you get it like but I'm saying hate me is because I'm a dolphins fan yeah yes I'm a Bills fan and I understand yes that's the reason I hate you and you never I you know that sky for news he also doesn't pay his employees no no hate at all what employees of course not all right we're not We're not gonna get people contact people contact all hold on hold just real because um I literally I'm back I'm here um let's just same [ __ ] in the beginning nothing's changed let's stay with the hands try to keep it respectful like no no name calling we don't have to do Kumbaya it doesn't matter it could be [ __ ] the other side forever if you want but let's how do I go back I I really started the space so the accusations that I saw could at least get addressed I wanted both sides up here I did not want an echo chamber um I I sent out the invite to everybody um Mike you're still here shout out to you for did we address this though did we address a whole bunch of hands up I don't want to skip yeah so I don't I'm assum question out so so here's the thing the hands could be just from the conversation you guys were having getting high as hell so I don't know but if anybody see um has anything to say I don't know who's up make ited we're keeping the conversation here it's like or let's go back to that um and yeah messed up maybe change the resolution i m do you have anything else to say on this like you're a good starting point because I know that you know you came in kind up go ahead go ahead Keem I didn't know go for it yeah real quick uh I just want to address a couple things somebody said that you know my opinion is Sky Fair news no go to go to Skyfire news look at all the content we put out uh it just covers the news it doesn't have an opinion I have an opinion red has an opinion tuba has an opinion Sky fire news doesn't have an opinion it just covers breaking news um the other thing is is somebody uh reframed uh the whole situation with Mike and his wife as attacks on his wife that's manipulation pure manipulation there was no attack on I'm gonna I'm gonna ask to just hold your tongue for a little bit and oh is that I was wondering who who that yeah just just listen man like just everybody please just let's just do hands there's only there's only one yall were in and it it seemed like you were going at Mike for something him and his wife have problem no that's in that's incorrect I never went after his wife I stated it facts and if you bring up facts right and you present facts what were the facts about her DM why did I get interrupted again who's can we run the space why do I keep getting interrupted cuz you're ins like what the [ __ ] do you think this is why do they not want me to if I could reach through the phone and punch [Music] your that that was me I [ __ ] never had to use my [ __ ] that Sean if I talked about your girl dude listen I am Listen Hold Up calm down like don't take it out on me speaking to you directly listen I am listen I am King I have tweets I am King keep girlfriends and wives out of it I've stated that I can go pull out the [ __ ] tweets so I'm with you Mike I'm I'm not I'm not mad at you Defending Your Wife I understand so please I'm not you know I didn't [ __ ] start this space for no dumb [ __ ] I'm not trying to have you feel disrespected your wife hold on so hold on Listen Hold on hold on guys hold on I'm trying to I just got back so I couldn't moderate the past [ __ ] 40 minutes so my bad we were on a different whole thing we were kind of getting along at least a little better when I left that's why I asked if we were good when I came in so now I'm just trying to get this [ __ ] wrangled and respect everybody what they have to say so Mike I'm with you like it gets it does get like once you bring up someone's wife like you can't get mad at someone for [ __ ] defending their wife so let's just stay out of that because now we're in a whole different conversation so like can we we of attacking his wife and I'm going to defend myself so hold on so who who said that Keem Fair who said that did somebody in this space say that somebody on this space cammed up and said that I ATT can can I know who that was who was it who said that was that me team it was Mike he's probably talking about me or sky so hold on all right so all right so real quick again because I wasn't here so screen like yeah I don't know what came like let's that's what I'm saying like let's not even have the question just trolling them guys so people can respond it's [ __ ] stop dud I do have a right to defend myself against this allegation right shut the [ __ ] up stop doing that okay I just muted again because everybody was yelling and hold I got it I got it yes Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike I'm with you yes bro listen not they're not listening my God interrup you guys you guys are killing me here because I don't have a [ __ ] side and I'm literally trying to let you both sides get your [ __ ] off so Mike because again I know how it is with the wife thing yes like before you go Mike let me just say this right when on screen you're my guy like I [ __ ] with you I'm not trying to single you out but since you were the one that said it I'm G to use you an example if you I'm talking to the room if you ask a question even like you think Sean I didn't say it like that all right so I but I again did you said I attacked his wife I'm G to defend myself bring up the white thing at all at all who is that hold on hold on hold on I'm I'm going to make a little joke here is that mil fart being the [ __ ] adult in the room did you hear what he said did you hear what all of you said did you hear what he said he said let's just not bring up the wives at all that's what that was me Sean Mr America my bad my bad I'm high as [ __ ] my stop [ __ ] bringing up people's wise bro that means nothing to this conversation going to defend myself I'm GNA defend myself cool but defend your I'm not talking about you whoever up the [ __ ] wife thing stop stop let me just please if you if you have any respect for me I've never had an issue with anybody on this [ __ ] panel like please let me just get this out if a person brings up a in any context right and let's just for the sake of the conversation someone feels like they're getting accused Keem says like yo you're making an accusation about me of course he's going to defend that accusation and then from that of course hold on of course Mike is going to get mad that his [ __ ] wife is being talked about like he should be and now it's just it's a [ __ ] chain reaction is my point so if it's not brought up at all in the first place it makes it a little easier that's my only point so Mike I'm gonna give you because you've been [ __ ] patient oh my God am I gonna get [ __ ] defend myself or what what is this I'm going to give you did you were you not [ __ ] listening to every word that I just said that's that's what this is I don't know what did I just come into I wasn't what did I just come into you guys are the ones who have the [ __ ] mic I didn't get a chance to I was here interrupt it but this is what I'm saying you're the only one that's been talking bro I'm gonna give I'm gonna give you the the floor too like I I was trying to moderate this space I'm mad that I'm talking this much like I'm gonna give you both the floor but I'm gonna go to Mike first and then Keem you could actually end I lose my turn thank you Sean you know what you can go now why don't you go now why don't you why see how it chill chill chill like we're not doing this I don't know what the [ __ ] you guys thought I was doing in here you got the wrong one listen when I'm Keem do you want the uh you want to go first or you want to go second like you wouldn't rather like end the last midle of trying to defend so this is what we'll do this is what fine this no this is BR this is my space please can can you respect can respect the space just disres because I I don't have any issue with anybody like I the [ __ ] yo chill well they're one interrup you can go but listen that's why bro like listen to what I'm saying I'm Gonna Let You Go and then Mike you're being really patient after Keem makes his point you can respond and then can that please be the end of the wife's conversation and then we can get back to what this room is supposed to be about that's all and we can get to the hands that's all I'm saying just drop it and no one talk about wives how about that yo that's a that's a another person interrupted see see this is River this is what I mean and it's like mkar I agree with that I am with you I would rather we let's not talk about [ __ ] wives That's what I'm saying but what the hell am I going to say you got Keem saying I was in the middle of my point and then Mike is upset because his wife was talked about in whatever capacity she was talked about and then Mike's going to get [ __ ] mad and get pissy at me like oh you didn't let me defend my wife and then keem's like oh you didn't [ __ ] make me like me make my point so Keem I'm gonna unmute the [ __ ] now right you can go since you say you were talking before and then Mike you can respond and then we're gonna [ __ ] move on from this conversation and I'm not like that's that's what I'm saying it's gonna be end of conversation about the wives okay as I was saying someone up here accused me of attacking Mike's wife and even that statement is meant to Gaslight and mislead everybody in here and be dishonest because Mike's wife isn't some hidden person Mike's wife is also a part of the hate group with a very public Twitter and on her very public Twitter she said that Lou alzando is hot and I brought it up to Mike this is not attacking his wife this is a fact if facts hurt your feelings where you feel attacked something's wrong with you not wrong with me what does it have to do with the subject matter bro like America let let him finish nope no all right so so I'm gonna unmute Keem Keem are you did you land your plane or you about to land your plane what's up and the final point that I would like to make that wife is in with other men these are facts this is truth all right Mike I'm going to give you the last word as much as you can try to keep it whatever for me because I'm not I don't like I'm just enjoying the drama guys I'm just trying to get off this because it's what do you do when two guys are arguing about someone's wife it's like all right I don't know like what are we saying here go ahead Mike so I don't know where you're from Sean but the second someone implies that your wife is like being like promiscuous with other dudes uh that's like fighting words like those are throw Hands words and those are words I don't forget So like um say what you will say what you want I heard what I heard it was unnecessary it was uncalled for um yeah and real dirty and my wife is my homie she's been with me for 20 years and she'll [ __ ] you up I hope it works out for you Mike hold on I'm from Rhode Island and I'm I'm I'm with you I would feel the same way if that was if that was if I was you I don't even know the context but yeah I'm with you let's move on from this [ __ ] we can't all [ __ ] kids like keemstar actually I was addressed so I like to respond and I was someone say that in the SP really let's lit listen here's the thing right I I can't like cover his cover his mouth but I just kicked him like before you said that I already kicked him because nobody's saying that in my [ __ ] space absolutely not say the word extraterrestrial night and I kept saying at homonyms stop it's [ __ ] clawing at the conversation doesn't it doesn't add [ __ ] and that guy who was talking about his wife he did that disingenuously he knows what the [ __ ] he was doing and that's why I sent you a DM right now Sean I sent you an audio of what the [ __ ] he was doing [ __ ] that guy yeah everybody make sure to holy [ __ ] guys you guys I just spent like a half an hour getting high with my cousin and you guys just blew my [ __ ] high holy [ __ ] bro like what are we doing recording in the space that we're in already what the [ __ ] you Mr America I love that I said was that Keem can't have it both ways right like uh you can't say you're not part of Skyfire and do whatever you want and then also be like but I'm bringing all the eyes to the subject you can't have it both ways that was all I was saying I wasn't saying anybody attacked anybody and gaslighting anybody right the credit we were dating and you were saying that that is you know trying to be unbiased then the news source itself can't say [ __ ] like Brandon Fugal is pimping UFO Shane David grush is a liar that that's not presenting news in an unbiased way and frankly that's just tabloids but I guess that is news right again you're not reading that word for word you just made up that read it word you like would you like to read word for word I appreciate what he's saying at least because we're moving off of personal attacks that [ __ ] that was talking about his wife earlier was disingenuous Sean if you don't guy out yeah yeah hold on like why does this have to happen you guys seriously seriously man come on like come on you guys know I didn't start you guys yeah you guys know like most of you guys up here no [ __ ] I didn't start this space for that you guys know I didn't like Mike I'm I'm with you on like just I get it like Mr America like we were actually finally getting off that topic I appreciate you for saying it but like you can't it just makes us go back into the conversation like let's let's actually talking the reality the reality is people are going to disagree they have beat with one another that's great and move on we're done so the last thing was screen screen was explaining that he said that he didn't say in that way let's go from there how they drag veterans right screen do you do you have the full tweet by chance no but I can go to Skyfire real quick hold on yeah I think full contacts would be a a great solution um while you're doing that I want to get to either UFO intros or ashon I do not know who was up next mine's going back to the TJ and the Shane and the Skinwalker Ranch stuff and I think think Ashton was before me okay Ashton then we'll go UFO intros okay well I just want to thank you for the great space tonight this is probably my last one I I just think it's kind of sad that you know you got Joseph Marinello coming in for that other account calling on a Nokia phone there a lot of static you know it's just not a fun Troll and then I just have to say for the record Keem did not attack Mike's wife I mean if I was married and had a wife and she was saying on Twitter she thinks other dudes are hot I mean I would probably feel inadequate anyway have a good night bring not bring that just somebody let's not bring that back up there no Way's no way sorry I was I was reading through all the tweets from people saying what the [ __ ] is going on with these silly children in here and then I just hear something about a wife again are we really we're already already back just move past it UFO intros Kimble what's up l's hot that is not about anybody's wife that's that's that can be allowed to say if that's your opinion Mike that's fine Kimbell you there yeah um red pandaa asked me a question space couple hours April gotta be the one person who stirs it way too much you know where after they ask like multiple times said I am an official affiliate of skin walkercom I don't even know if that's how we go okay guys we just had to dunk on them a little bit there that was fun that was a maximum troll space so anyone who's watching this who thinks that there's any reason to take some weird meme seriously like we should be having a space about it well there's no reason to take it seriously and that's the reason why we were acting the way that we were and yeah it was pretty fun so thanks guys I appreciate hanging out tonight I got to pass out I got to pass out tomorrow probably going to look more into Amy esre something doesn't steam right there on that and then uh we're going to do a stream tomorrow as well and we'll be doing some investigation stuff I'm probably going to repost the Steve Quast General Lieutenant General Steve Quast because I got pinged on it like 50 times I guess people didn't see when I posted it last time so I'll probably post that tomorrow as well anyway take it easy guys peace