MH370x - Retirement AMA Space 2/13/24

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# MH370x - Retirement AMA Space 2/13/24 hey what's up everybody we're going to get started in just a minute here here letting some people jump in uh so hang tight everyone uh when I do this space uh Slash stream I'm going to do it a little differently I'm going to try to go full face or full screen when I'm talking and we'll uh yeah we'll get it going I think we'll answer all the questions hey everybody thanks for jumping on early we're going to get started in a couple minutes I'm going to let some people trickle in and then we'll get going just so I don't have to repeat anything so hang tight for like 2 minutes here and then we'll get started I hope somebody comes in that we can uh have co-host for us as well otherwise it might be kind of annoying to uh pull everybody up here we'll see hey good evening everybody thanks everybody in the chat in the Stream right now appreciate you uh we're going to get started in just a minute do a little intro what have you okay let me make sure I got this ready that should be good like that screen good okay guys so just to keep you guys entertained for a second while we're getting getting started here this is uh Ashton Forbes this is my MH370 uh AMA ask me anything slash retirement explanation space so the way this will go down today is I'm just going to do a little bit of uh go over some stuff that I just want to kind of talk about maybe I'll address some questions ahead of time by discussing some of the stuff uh I'm going to reveal kind of why I've decided to step away from the MH370 investigation effective next month and then I'm going to open it up to people who want to ask questions around anything you want to ask actually anything around me or the case or what's been going out the case or the evidence or anything you want and uh yeah so after we've addressed any of the thing that people want to ask then we'll close it out I'm I'm planning on it going about maybe an hour or two hours uh hopefully not too long I want to keep it pretty uh short and sweet I'm not trying to build this up or anything like that but I do want to make sure I address any questions that people have out there so uh hang tight and we'll get started in a minute um I'm not going to pull people up on the speaker panel until after I go through my intro stuff uh but you're free to request now and then I'll uh I'll pull people up when we get to that so hang tight for one more minute here okay guys I think we're good here okay how many people we got in the space got a pretty decent amount already actually I think we're just going to go ahead and get started right now people can listen in and to the recording if they want um okay so first thing people want to probably know is you know was why am I stopping uh the investigation and the answer to that is is multi-pronged but part of the answer really is that we've kind of Hit the the end in terms of what we can find out about the case related to MH370 um you know this started back in August it's been about 6 months and we've investigated essentially every aspect around the videos as well as everything that's been out there uh historically regarding the case in general um and first thing I want to say is thank you to everybody who's been following along with the investigation um I it's just been a crazy Incredible Journey where we've gotten this huge amount of followers it's uh that have been coming along and I think that I hope if you all get anything out of this um that there's an inspiration that you know anyone can follow this Playbook that's been laid out for investigating unusual uh evidence phenomenon conspiracies whatever it may be um that nothing I've been doing here is uh really special in terms or unique you know and that it crowdsourced investigations and research can accomplish a lot that's what I want people to take away from it now now I'm going to start I think then with explaining why that I've chosen to step down from this uh beginning next month and just to keep in this in mind just the fact that I'm stepping down next month does not mean that I'm going to be pulling back at all um if anything I'm going to be going Full Throttle between now and then uh I'm probably going to be making uh several more posts that I have in mind as well as reviewing old posts that I think a lot of people potentially didn't see from early on in the investigation and doing little bits of retrospective about them in general um now this is something that I haven't brought up and I haven't revealed and I was wasn't sure if I wanted to reveal it uh but I think that people will find it interesting in general is that I have spoken to several very large podcasters uh Joe Rogan reached out to me this last weekend and uh he wanted to have me come on the show and of course I said yeah definitely going to do that no question right I was a little bit worried about it because the situation has gotten so polarized regarding um you know just how negative the negative reaction that I've seen and heard and I had also talked with Chad and Sher of the investigate Earth podcast who I see here hi guys um and you know we talked as well about a lot of the negative comments that people were posting and it's not something i' had uniquely seen from them but I've also had basically every podcaster that I've gone on has essentially told me that they've had people reaching out to them telling making up lies about me saying I stole work from people calling me a grifter all kinds of just heinous stuff in general right so the next day after I talked to Joe Rogan he came back and he said uh I want to put a pause on this until I can figure out whether or not it's legitimate right and he found some stuff on Reddit as well as the Danny Jones interview and said that oh I think this is fake blah blah blah um I'm gonna have to you know cancel this interview and uh I was a little bit disappointed but also a little bit relieved at the same time because I was worried that going onto a level that's that large could create a huge amount of animosity towards me in general although that was also the end goal for this you know before he he messaged me back the next day I was sitting there thinking you know this would be where I would pull back and I would retire from the case after doing that interview because the way I was looking at that interview and thinking about it is going man people are going to be really pissed off people are really going to lash out at me for like doing that kind of interview and I thought that would be the time where I would just throw all the evidence out there and let people decide for themselves right so when he came back and said you know I can't do it whatever um I kind of stacked everything up in my head thought about it for a couple days and I thought this is probably still a good time to step back from the case in General I was already planning on doing it after that interview I have also had not as uh in-depth conversations but I've also talked to some of the other podcasters that I wanted to go on like uh Shan Ryan uh Lex fredman Etc and I imagine that the other ones have similar uh worries and concerns and I think that what's disappointing about is it goes to show how much influence social media has on people and on what their beliefs are and so to a larger element you see that these types of really lazy debunks and stuff and and disinformation that gets pushed out there can have really powerful impacts on what information gets fleshed out to the public and why is this super important is that this is how all of this stuff is being kept hidden I'm just going to go ahead and say it guys the science of anti-gravitational technology has already been proven it's already out there and it's been out there for probably decades that's the sad statement of of what I've discovered and the people that I've talked to are these videos real I believe they are 100% I would say that you know if I'm being a rational person I can only say I'm 99.9% sure because I know the science is real and everything else related to it um but that's the case in general and now we're at a point where it's not a matter of providing more evidence for it it's at a situation now where we've put all the evidence out there and people kind of have to decide for themselves and I think it's a real situation where people have to slowly come to terms with this type of Technology being real and when they come to those terms then I think that we can be ready for the conversation about did the United States government Steal This Plane which is what I think they did um and I don't know how long that's going to take that's the the truth of the reality is I don't know how long that's going to take um I think that it could take uh years um it could even take decades theor ically and so that's the part where it's I don't want to be one of these people who ties my whole personality around a situation that happened even if I think it's super important even if I'm 100% sure that those videos are real and this is what happened to the plane I don't want one of those people that every single day is sitting out there posting about okay everybody we have to look at this blah blah blah um you know it's just that's not what I want to be doing with my life in general and so instead my Approach is not to give up on it but instead to focus on the science learning the science because the reality of what I've learned as well is that anybody can learn electrical engineering they can learn the science behind what makes those videos real how that technology is real and if we are able to prove that then we can get to a situation where we can get the truth for the families that we can show the world the technology is true and real right and I think that the people didn't watching along for last few months I've already seen how far I've already come in just a few months from teaching myself and I think that you all at home can do this as well so it's not a matter of giving up on them it's a matter of the reality situation is that the government who can hide this is much much more powerful than we are and we have to realize that and we also have to realize what we are capable of doing um which is empowering ourselves and uh helping to empower everybody else around us helping our little corner of the world gets slightly better now um now that's on the positive note what the other thing I want to say too is what I've experienced with respect uh to actually one more thing I want to say first before I get to that is the body of evidence has been out there so I have gone ahead and I'm going to I'll go ahead and pull Chad and Sher I think I see them up here um but if you can hang on a second um the body of evidence I've made available I have never paywalled anything I have never uh made money off of selling anything to anybody related to any of this um the only money that I've gained at all is related to post on Twitter and it's not very much at all and doing streams on YouTube and if you were to add it up it would be far far far less than even um you know minimum wage would be so this is not a situation where I've gained uh any significant amount of funding or money from this I've never tried to grift or uh profit off of this in any way shape or form and that's I think another reason why it makes sense to uh you know kind of stop the investigation at this point so that people can realize that this was something that came from somebody who is no one uh just somebody in the community who wanted to get the evidence out there for everyone right and if something were to show up and happen again in the future like we were to have Edward C Lynn come forward as a whistleblower or if we were to have uh you know these videos get authenticated perhaps by a or another governing body then that would be a situation where I could come back in and and you know discuss that you know because ultimately at the end of the day I want the technology be revealed but I also want to get the truth for the families of the victims of MH370 now I also want to quickly address the uh UFO community and I mostly address in UFO Twitter but really all the social media communities including Reddit that I've seen as well to a lesser extent foran not really but a little bit um and I have to be honest uh what I've seen from those communities has pretty much disgusted me in general um I think that and it's not just one side or the other I think that the whole conversation is uh been misappropriated I think that very few people are talking about the stuff that matters I think that everybody is trying to cut everybody else down and so what I want to say in general is that there are two kinds of people in this world you have people in this world who are trying to build things and lift things up and and take their and make their own path and then you have people in this world that are trying to cut people down and trying to stop and put barriers up for other people and I think that everybody in this world should think about what kind of person that they want to be in general do you want to be somebody that's making your own path and making and and kind of setting the the trends or do you want to be somebody that is trying to tear other people down um on the let's say the believer standpoint I have been told that what I've been doing has been a distraction um from the uh community and from disclosure and nothing could be further from the truth I think that the sad reality in my opinion is that disclosure is never coming um at least not from the people that you would imagine it to be coming from and that if we continue to put your faith in those types of people you're always going to be disappointed they will constantly push back the timeline over and over and over again um the people that have ndas are never going to be able to tell the truth about the technology because it's being uh covered up for National defense purposes so what I would ask for the people that are the strong Believers in the phenomenon is don't put all your eggs in one basket don't look up to other people to tell you when the time is coming do the work yourself the people that I respect the most are the people out there that a are open-minded but B are the ones that are putting in their own investigative research and work and I see very few people doing that and instead I see a lot of people just repackaging content to the people that are on the skeptic side I I what I realize about the people on the skeptic side is they have are in just as much of a close-minded uh belief system is what they imagine the people who believe in it are it is a point where people use their own confirmation bias to debunk and ridicule and to dismiss uh any video and claims that they see out there if this phenomenon is real and I'm sure there's some aspect of this phenomenon that's real whether it be aliens crafts or or the technology is we've been U revealing it then that means there are other videos out there and there is other stuff out there that's real and has been getting debunked under false pretenses um what I would expect for both sides and I I posted a clip about this earlier is to hold themselves to the same standard on either end there's a lot of people out there especially in the skeptic camp that think well if I can poke one hole in this then it's been debunked the people on the believer side should not allow for that to happen the people on the skeptic side should have higher standards in that as well I think that both sides should be trying to develop a story and get to the facts you know an example of this would be I think there's uh one orb video that I saw that it was in filmed by a drone and they said it was a an Amazon balloon right a 30-year Amazon balloon because we could see yellow coloring on the side of it why doesn't either side try to get in contact with the person that made the video why doesn't either side try to actually go dig into the facts as opposed as opposed to speculating constantly you know I think that editorial and opinion certainly has a place in the community but factual based research is how you're going to get the answers so that's me on my soapbox for uh one last second and then uh the last thing I want to say is that I am not sad or disappointed by any of this and and how all this stuff has gone down I think that I I couldn't be happier in terms of the people that I've met the connections that I've made and the work that we've done to push the discussion forward I plan to continue to push that discussion forward in general and I hope that by doing this it can show that I am somebody who is impartial related to the case and the investigation and that in time people can come to realize that even if they can't do it right away I don't mean anybody ill will I think I've had some amazing conversations with the podcasters that have been out there and I I appreciate you guys very much now at this point I see Melo demon jumped in here as a co-host thank you guys very much for jumping in tuac Cabra nice to see you as well JK Philly fan I see Jenny in here as well as well as a lot of other people um Tony uh other people that have been following this entire time I appreciate it so I want to go ahead and open it up to questions at this point if you guys you guys can ask me anything you want uh I'll do as always I've been 100% truthful about everything um as best as I know it and I'll be willing to tell you guys anything that you want to know about me the case or anything that uh you want to hear about so uh we can either bring people up you can raise hands or you can just jump on it whatever you guys want to do okay I think we see uh JK had a hand up there uh pleasure to be with you guys all hey Tupa hey friends uh JK you got something you want to say J I don't hear him yeah we also have a hand a lovely hand a gorgeous hand might say from Mr Tupa as well oh we got him talking now I just wanted to thank you for um all that you've done so far all the things that you've you've dedicated uh to this uh just a couple questions i' say let's just say two questions one are you taking a break as far as just kind of just getting that big breath you need and kind of maybe just letting things just flow as they need to organically and the second question I would say is are there any more foyers you think they're out there you think that are that are um that maybe we we haven't looked at or that are pertinent that might be something up to like March 8th or are we set as far as the amount of Foos because I know like you said it takes forever for government to just one thing so that those are pretty much my two questions great questions JK I appreciate you man you've been JK affilate fan been one of my admins in the Discord and and probably the person who's contributed the most to the investigation behind the scenes so I just want everybody to give him kind of a round of applause uh pat on the bat because he's done just amazing amount of work and especially probably I think he's the person who's probably understood the science even potentially better than I have in the same period of time where we've both been kind of trying to learn it um now in terms of what my plans are uh I don't really have a plan to take my foot off the break and like step back but I I may I think that probably what I'll do is I'll try to set a more standard streaming schedule that's not every single day that's potentially at a specific time every day um that's going to be more focused on the science aspect of it and digging into the science and not necessarily becoming a teacher but becoming an active participant as somebody who whoever wants to follow along and try to learn the science around electrical engineering scaler waves all these concepts related to anti-gravity that we see that you can come on and be a part of as well um and I'm going to continue to post anything you know science related that I see on my uh Twitter channel one thing that I have kind of decided I think is that I don't uh potentially plan on posting as much UFO content as I was thinking I may still post some here and there but um you know one thing I think when I was watching the Aaron Rogers and and Joe Rogan podcast was that Joe Rogan mentioned that he likes the ones that go really fast right there show something anomalous and I kind of realized that's what I like too I like you know the ones that are just floating around are kind of neat right but the ones where you can actually see these macroscopic phase conjugation events like teleportation or hypers speed or you know whatever these uh really fast moving things are I think they the ones that are really exciting to me so that's probably what you'll see on that front um sorry I forgot what was your other point JK oh yeah if there's any other outstanding foas that you pertinent so I don't think there's any more foas I did Foya like not nine more agencies um uh a couple weeks ago and I got one rejection back where they essentially said right away due to the nature of what the subject was that they couldn't confirm or deny anything um and then I haven't got any other responses back yet but a lot of them mail them back to you so I will be looking to possibly get some more of those foer responses back and as I received any in the future then I will post updates related to those just so that people know what's going on um but I don't think there's much more we can foyer the reality situation is as I think the people that were like for some reason there were people trying to foyer my interactions with a o I guess they didn't believe me or something like that um I think that what they realized even when they did that is that it's it's super hard to get fo it's so easy for the government to deny them delay them you know use all kinds of different explanations for why they can't give them back to you uh but if stuff comes up then the other thing I want to say real quick on this on this line is that just because I'm doesn't mean you guys have to stop if you want that's why I'm going to before I before March 8th I plan to do one more all evidence review I plan to put all the evidence out there if anyone wants to pick up that evidence you want to take the Reign on it and and lead the investigation forward to the next level feel free I would 100% encourage it and support it to be honest with you uh but if not I understand as well um and it's totally up to you guys on that front Okay let's do some more questions um Tupa I think you were next what's up man uh really interesting announcement I like that you're doing this AMA uh I've actually liked a lot of the stuff that you've done since I first met you Ashton and I'm curious uh what are your thoughts on um this question where have you succeeded where others have failed and I'm referring to researchers and people who want to get who are attempting to get the word out you were you did a press run like I've never seen in my life uh where were where was your success whether people just couldn't figure out yeah great question I think that the thing about the Press run is wild like I want want to add up how many podcasts I've done because I think it might be like over 70 or 80 at this point it's pretty wild and my view initially was I and I all of this I've been so new to all of this right like I uh overconfidently thought that oh like these big podcasters would want to reach out right away and then you find out they don't you find out there's a lot of small podcasters who do and you find out that due to the nature of the case and uh and um just kind of how explosive it was that a lot of people got a lot of attention for it and I wanted to help out all the podcasters that were out there you know because I think that alternative media really is the truth the the future and the answer so I I think I fulfilled basically every request I possibly could that were out there uh no matter how big the podcasters were and it slowly started to build and you started to get some bigger ones and some smaller ones but the conversation like the quality conversation was not based on how big or small the podcasters were which is one thing that I found uh pretty interesting and then in terms of success or failure where other people have tried um I think it just has to do with the quality of the evidence right like in this case it was just kind of a perfect storm between this plane that had gone missing where a lot of people had an uneasy feeling about the story related to it even the conspiracy post I made I think yesterday mentions the whole Rogue pilot suicide Theory as being a conspiracy theory which it is because in order for that to be true you have to believe that all the officials the white the co-workers are all lying uh because they got a clean bill of health and all this stuff um I I think that just because there was so much evidence that we could dig into it made it a unique situation as well like we could look back and Google back like 10 years ago find all the old press conferences find this sketchy interview with the m Malaysian Minister of Defense we found everything we re re-reviewed it all right um and I think that in the future because now we're in the 21st century that will become more and more possible with future cases as well but it's harder for the stuff that's a lot older like if you're going to take like JFK for example and uh him being assassinated it's like a lot of that stuff was on paper right so you can go back to it but it's a lot more work to dig into it versus now where we have the stuff that it was all available on the internet there uh we were able to dig through and find those videos and exactly when they dated back to um and I think the biggest challenge for anyone going forward now is going to be this idea of well AI could have just created this right like I see a lot of videos that are pretty cool but it's like man how do I how would you ever be able to tell if AI created or not and I think the answer there is you've got to dig into the foundation of the research you got to like I was saying earlier in terms of my kind of um challenge to the community is you know dig for the facts reach out and try to talk to the people that made the videos Witnesses Etc that saw the stuff um and the truth is I don't know I don't have a perfect answer for how to be successful in general I think that the takeaway here is that I started with the red pill which if people don't know the red pill is you realize well you know the Matrix is a is is a big lie and that you're living in this uh reality we're being lied to and then it almost shifted to a black pill situation where you realize that the government has so much control over everything that we see and do and perceive that for the vast majority of people out there um they might as well be NPCs they're just regurgitating whatever they've been told and I think that's a huge challenge so I guess to answer your question T I would say is that the way that I looked at it is well now I just have to teach myself how it works right if I am looking at something and I'm sure that that is real then I have to figure out from the scientific uh perspective how is that functioning and I think that we can do that and then the question is um I was talking to somebody earlier today and I made a post about this when I did the Salvador Pas post is that what you realize why people may ask well why are the scientists not going on to CNN and talking about the factor anti-gravitational technology and the reason there is because a lot of the people aren't going to believe them and they just don't have any incentive to try to convince them if you know that kind of technolog is real and you can take advantage of it you can make millions of dollars off of it and you can even patent some of it who cares what the regular people the little people The Peasants like us think right they just don't care and so my Approach is kind of like that too well if I can figure it out then you know why would I why am I going to care anymore more about what everybody else thinks now I think that's kind of a nihilistic approach but and I don't I hopefully want to be somebody who can get that information out there to everybody else but I think we also have to be realistic any follow up on that tupo no I think that was a great answer uh as always your answers are thoughtful and uh and and insightful uh I think that I just want to say like the what you were able to accomplish I hope inspires more people more researchers to dive deep and to like really explore every little aspect of a case that you can um there's so much research being done in this field but it seems like the efforts are going to the wrong places uh and I think that that might be one of the your strengths with this stuff is being able to focus on like not just the most salacious facts but the most important ones the most groundbreaking ones the ones that need answers because if they were answered would change the game forever um a lot of people I noticed they're kind of like they chase they chase paper I don't know how describe they're chasing paperwork and and that's great you know what I mean but you lose a little bit of the story each time when you're on page 75 of some document and you just really maintained it in in focus for everyone it allowed everyone to follow along um and feel like they were part of it and I think that's one of your strengths too uh so yeah keep it up can't wait to see what else you focus on next you know I'm G to be around bro so yeah we'll be hanging out still I appreciate you Tupa Tupa also was uh one of the people that early on hosted me in some spaces and kind of was super nice to me in general and you know I think that he's experienced backlash from the community as well where you know this community can be vile uh and what we really need to be doing is having conversations and Tupa has been hosting a lot of those conversations so greatly appreciate of him appreciated of him in general one thing I also want to say on it regarding like the soul Foundation stuff that's come out I think there is some stuff in those videos where they do uh the soul Foundation videos where there are people talking about the science but there's so many people in there that are talking about about the uh spiritual aspect of the phenomenon right which certainly that is an important aspect but to me that takes away from how we actually achieve disclosure you know you talk about the spiritual aspect to me that's not pushing the needle forward to me pushing the needle forward is talking about what the technology can do for our civilization and change our civilization that's how you reach the normal people on the street that would otherwise not be interested in the phenomenon in my opinion um one quick thing I also want to say as well some people in the in the Stream right now I'm streaming wanted to know if the scar Joe got to me so this is a little bit of an inside joke where I said that I would uh give in and and say that the videos are all fake if they cloned Scarlett Johansson and gave me a Scarlett Johansson clone I can say that that did not happen uh sadly but yes um okay let's jump over to to Jenny I think you were up next oh wow like I'm over here I got I gotta process the Scarlett Johansson clone I mean I I can kind of understand you know I was going through all of our movies and like I'm definitely a fan but so we're coming up on 10 years right March what it's this it'll be 10 years this March that that this whole thing occurred and and basically what's happened is you you guys tried to get that dude to debunk it and they failed correct so now you're you're like open water with technology improving it and then one of the coolest things you're doing is technology which happens to kind of coincide with this same type of technology that I'm interested in as well but it's mental so like besides CERN and playing around with matter we're talking about the fundamental aspects of like reality is what you're going to start to study where the technology comes from the fact that that a lot of the things that we're seeing that we think are these crazy phenomenon are actually things that we are capable of Performing as human beings and we have with hidden technology and that's exciting because what it does is you're blending in the past to the present and I want to ask you for your community how's your support been you know I I was actually in a space with you I'll just openly say this I deeply respect you I think that you have manners I think that you're a nice person I think that when I hear you speak and I have been around anything you whoever raised you whatever your life was like you're a cool person and I really like that about you that might be cheesy but I'm just going to say it so I'm wondering how you're how you're being treated and and are people giving you a hard time are you now like some agent like you know all that and if if that's the case man I'm sorry that you have to go through that no you're cracking me up uh because the other thing too that I've said uh pretty clearly too is that um you know the world is not black and white it is definitely Shades of Gray right and anyone that claims to be uncorruptible is probably lying in general I can say that I have not been corrupted yet um but when you look at stuff like this it is hard there is this moral dilemma between wanting to reveal the the truth and then if the videos are real realizing that you're essentially kind of being a Trader to your own country right and that's not what I want either so that's certainly something that I've I've struggled with with respect to the community people have treated me really well in general I mean there always are trolls and stuff like that but um you know I'm o over 40 years old not very much over 40 but over 40 and I grew up with social media and it's very Advent to where it is now and I have experienced trolls all my life right and that's the part where it's like even if I get into an argument with the troll like I wake up the next morning and I've totally forgotten about it don't really care anymore at all right you have to have this ability to just brush it off you're always always always going to have haters um but what I will say is that I've looked at my own behaviors because I like to kind of clap back at people and I realize that that's not really something that's generally productive and have tried to kind of rise above that in general um so I'm always learning as well and this whole experience over the last six months has been a a huge learning experience for me in terms of how you deal with social media especially as you are someone who is uh I guess humbly like growing as um an influencer right um and then to your question of the science is that what from what I've dug into I absolutely agree I think that the science the only way that you can have a lot of this stuff being real the stuff that I've been talking about like teleportation um Quantum uh faster and like communication uh all these things are quum and thing solid matter like you're literally going to the Epic point I mean this is it this is what we're freaking dealing with and our our ability to interact with it this is huge this is the precipice of an entirely new world I'm just sorry you just really got me excited this is toally it is it is right and what I'm saying is that this stuff has been out there and then what I've realized as part of this is it's not a matter of me proving unification theories are true they already have been and they're already out there and I've been reading papers over and over I think we found like four different theories of unification that are all out there that could all be potentially reconciled so that the answer is somewhere in there right and what this kind of means is the nature of our reality is not what we perceive it to be that there is either an extra Dimension if you want to think of it like that or an underlying framework to our reality and that is a very spiritual thing like the people in the soul Foundation are mentioning um but at the same time it's a very real thing I mean that's the nature of our reality in general and it means that we can advance in a lot of ways some in my chat was also along these signs saying well what would be the first thing that would change for Humanity in general and I think that if you look at my bold predictions which if this stuff's real then those bold predictions are going to be coming true the first one is super conductivity room temperature superc conductivity you can watch the interview I did yesterday with questions we're too afraid to ask where we talk about this in great detail in terms of how it will change all our devices and how we transmit power throughout the world pretty much overnight like very very quickly um and that's going to be the is that the patent that Jake has out he always talks with you about the um I don't think that's the particular one but the lk99 is the one that's like kind of on the precipice right now we're supposed to get some more news in um uh March and there may be more videos I've been posting several videos of flux pinion and mezer effect that are out there and if room temperat there's a room there's a room temperature superconductor on there too a patent yeah and we there was a couple papers too I think that uh my friend Dave Rossy also posted one about alumin back in' 67 like almost 80 years ago where we were already basically or 60 years ago where potentially the Russians had already kind of figured out a way to induce room temperature super conductivity in aluminum by oxidizing it uh so it's I think it's already out there it's a matter of getting out there Melo also just put in the pill whatever this is called I don't know the thing on the top here uh about free yeah go ahead yeah the the melron is what I refer to it as but the nest is the common term okay yeah so the The Nest sorry that free energy right like I think that a lot of people this also leads to is free energy and and you may have Skeptics out there that go well these things can't be real because they violate certain principles like it may violate causality if we move faster than the speed of light but that's not true because time is uh relative and you can have time dilation effects that can correct for that type of thing and then from the perspective of free energy they may say Well it defies the laws of thermodynamics but no doesn't defy the law of thermody Dynamics because you have an open system you open the system to the energy of the vacuum of SpaceTime and that if there's more energy in the area in the palm of my hand uh you know we can ABS we can use that energy in our system and that's how we can get more energy out this is how you can get stuff called coefficient of performance greater than one Coop if you look at Bob greener's paper you can see that from like a month ago you can see that these Vortex tube generators like the thunderstorm generator are actually producing more overall energy in terms of heat and what have you than what is being put in pretty amazing stuff out there uh one last thing about Jenny I want to say is that Jenny has been an awesome person that I met through uh Jake chancey's uh spaces uh and I I I love her and I love him I think they're just both really awesome open-minded people that have a good heart and tomorrow I'll also be doing another space with Jake Chanley I can't wait for it we're going to be talking about advanced technology the suppression of it and how we get that information out it's gonna be awesome uh Sarah I think you're goad I'm so sorry did you see that equation where they were doing the unit separation because did you see that I think you might have shared it that chick that came on and did an explanation of equation she was just trying to kind of um with Quantum uh did you see it uh I don't think I saw it but you can send it to me if you want yeah yeah yeah it's pretty cool it would it would go into um yeah I'm gonna put it in the pill if anybody wants to check it out too because it's basically one of the problems with presenting quantum mechanics so if anybody's a brain out there it' be awesome yeah and then one you know one of the theories I'll just put us out there is er equals epr so if you are interested in some of these unification theories I know that Salvador Pas is the Super Force um Juan Malina and and uh Susskind have ER equals epr and then um uh Martin Gibson and Roy D Herbert also have a unification theory of dilation Theory so there's at least three just right there off the top of my head that I've listed for you guys um okay let's go over to Sarah thanks for waiting yeah no problem can you guys hear me yep we can hear you okay cool cool cool um I first and foremost just want to say um a little bit about uh I'm a researcher as well um I'm like old school researcher like JFK I started back in the early 90s before internet um and uh for decades uh I've done research on the military uh the military industrial complex the Kennedy assassination the Decades of the 50s the 60s um and so when I came across the UFO Reddit and I believe that that's where you began to really pick it up um and then kind of followed you over to Twitter um when I realized who it was um I was absolutely impressed with your research with your not only knowledge but also like you just kept digging and you kept getting on and but you kept going and um it you just weren't debunked yet it was like okay what are we doing now okay wow this is crazy and um so from one researcher to another thank you because we're always you know out there and we each have our own thing that we we research right everybody here we all have one you know basis and we go for that and then what I love about this is MH370 brought you here it it brought you to us it brought you to everyone in the space um and uh everyone that you've touched and now you're taking this research that you started and you're branching off and from one researcher to another like I started with JFK when I was 14 and I'm in my 40s as well and so I branched and learned so much and I'm really excited to see uh where you Branch off to where you're going to go um and uh I thank you for everything that you've done that you've all the work that you've put in the that you've taken um I agree with Jenny uh 100% um whoever raised you your morals your respect levels um it's been a pleasure to follow you thus far I appreciate you um interestingly enough like you know you do one thing and then you're you know you like you brought me into UFO Twitter I never knew that this existed I've been researching this stuff forever and I just never never knew it existed and now I'm learning I'm sitting in on Melo thank you Melo uh Tupa thank you I I I listen and I don't even like I'm This creepy person that sits in the background and just listens because I don't know I I don't know everything and I I don't claim to and but I'm curious and I'm I've got my own books going and I'm in it as well and I just appreciate that I appreciate you and I wanted to just take a moment and say that and uh if you ever need a research person or someone you want to throw something at you know always here for anyone um it's not my day job it's just my second job so awesome thanks Sarah and Sarah I've I've noticed uh you know even some of the people that don't have huge followings I I do uh scroll through my feeds and I do see some of your guys post so it's fun to see Sarah's post where she's out having drinks with people friends husband and uh talking about either the case or the phenomen phenon in general um I just I I like that a lot so keep up the good work Sarah I also want to give a couple shout outs to some people I saw in the chat if I don't get you it's not personal at all but um Noah I know has been out there um kind of pushing the information forward trying to get that information I believe onto Reddit as well in some cases got a lot of push back as well so I just appreciate you putting it out there Megan I see in the chat as well Megan is somebody who I've noticed from interacting with her in spaces that she has been doing the research herself she dug into like the naaska mummies for example as opposed to just letting the uh common perception and and kind of consensus overwhelm her and determine what her beliefs are no she dug into it herself and that's the kind of research we need kind of going to Tupac Cobra's point so thank you guys um I think Chad or Sher whoever is on investigate Earth I think you're next hey what's up guys um so listen I know a lot of You by the way are saying he is raised very well as is actually Hell's Angels uh biker so you probably I'm just kidding Ashton complete joke um anyway so some of you may know who we are but we actually brought Ashton on I think maybe we were the first podcast Ashton came on um we had a lot of our listeners and and just so for people that don't know our podcast basically we talk about corruption conspiracy UFOs interdimensional stuff kind of all of that um and a lot of our listeners as ashon started going you know there was a lot of people that said hey man you got to get Ashen on talk about the MH370 thing because we had never covered MH370 necessarily but what I found interesting was um there was a huge want for the information of MH370 when when ashon came on I think it came on three times originally and I think each of those episodes had over a million downloads and we were just like you know okay people love what he's saying they they want to know this because that has been one of the biggest Unsolved Mysteries of our time but then as Ashton kind of dove in and he started researching and getting knowledge uh and gaining knowledge I guess you can say um it shows number one Ashton's very smart it shows he's very intellectual he it shows that uh you know when he dives into something that this is a guy you would want on your team um in any team if you're researching anything this is someone that you want on your team and so when Ashton came on we had just this overwhelming response from our listeners um and people love the aspect of the investigative work that Ashton's done and his team and everybody around it but in particular Ashen for sure but I think Ashton was talking a little bit earlier we've done this podcast for seven years and obviously when you know if if you look up Google or whatever they'll call us controver rsal host or we are a controversial podcast and anything and any time you challenge The Narrative you're going to be controversial no matter what if you challenge the official agenda whether it is you're bucking up against the government you're bucking up against what mainstream NBC ABC or whoever tells the public you're going to be controversial and I called Ashton last week and I said I said hey man I I said I it was interesting I've never looked at comments on Spotify um because you know on Spotify you can go to a podcast you can there's like a question and answer section or it says what do you think of an episode and you actually have to log into Spotify to look at those comments and then you either have to approve all or you have to approve each individual comment and so I I finally logged on there because our host is actually with iHeart um we are signed by iHeart but you know we're distributed basically to all the platforms and so I finally got on Spotify connector account and I said I started looking at some of this stuff now there are people that hate us based on our beliefs or viewpoints over seven years trust me we've had viewpoints to where we had a particular opinion we would say that opinion based on everything we could we could possibly um Garner from everything we can find do we lose him can you guys hear hey uh no I can't hear anyone so I guess while he's getting recycled we'll get to the next hand uh Artis what's up Tony hey had to switch to my phone my laptop wasn't working U how's it going Ashton hey good man we had a great conversation uh last week I think it was how are you doing yeah I just wanted to I wanted to say thank you for your objectivity and your approach to things um it's funny I was going to say it's nice to see someone in their 20s being objective but then I realized then I learned you were 40 so so uh but anyway um but again thanks for you know contributing to the the community and you know what you're going to do going forward just setting an example for people to be more objective so that's all I didn't want to take up too much time I wanted to say thank you and and good luck and we'll see you again on the popy show hopefully yeah I appreciate it man yeah I think that you guys are definitely check out Tony's show we had an awesome uh conversation on people uh I want what was it people I I like to talk to I can't remember the name of it sorry go ahead Tony help me out oh people I find interesting find interesting Papa yeah yeah talking with Alexi uh was really interesting you know I think that it always makes me feel better when I start talking about the science then you've got somebody who knows science really well going wait yeah that that's that's theoretically possible right um so I think that's really cool in general uh and yeah thank you very much Tony for that check out his show um you really check out everybody you know up on the speaker panel everybody here is really awesome and uh I think I uh is oh UFO intros is gone I wanted to get to them but they dropped out um so I guess next we can go over to uh alien girl so real quick for alien girl has been somebody that's been following along a lot I believe she's part of Chris Leto's community um and she's got her own I believe I don't know if it's daily a YouTube stream that she does in the mornings but you guys should check her out she's somebody that is a uh independent uh kind of researcher and personality that doesn't acques to any particular Nar narratives that are out there so I have high respect and praise for her go ahead alien girl oh my gosh Ashton that was like the nicest thing ever thank you oh my gosh that was beautiful and so eloquent thank you so much for the shout out putting that all out there and thank you so much for all of the work that you've done um you have such really good deep research skills and that's something that I truly respect about you because every time I've ever had a question it always was it always would go down Like A New Path of learning do you know what I mean anyway the point being is my question just to clarify this isn't you retiring from the community is it like you can't retire from the community I think we need you even if you're not get what's going on with this are you was basically I just raised my hand and came up here to tell you that you can't retire like you can't don't tell me Ashton's leaving the community that makes me sad I don't like that Community I want the community where Ashton's still hanging around talking about mummies talking about all the other stuff we know you're interested in it would be very sad to see you go so that was all I wanted to say like don't retire don't go yeah not I'm not leaving the community I appreciate you alien girl um no I'm not leaving the community in total uh you you can't get rid of me that easily unfortunately uh but you know I I think that it's just the MH370 investigation that is retiring right so we still got a few weeks left there's still a few more pieces that I'm going to put out there uh regarding the debris and how it theoretically couldn't even have drifted from where they claimed the plane crashed um the iMat and the satcom which apparently is very easy to hack uh which is quite an interesting Discovery um and then there's one more that I don't have off the top of my head but there's at least a couple field pieces in there that I'm going to be putting out but yeah then after that I'm just going to let it marinate out there for a while you know and I think the 10 year anniversary is the right time to do it that's where you imagine the uh discussion will pick up the most around it and we will probably follow along and just see like I may report from time to time in terms of what some of these other old school invest instigators uh are you know coming up with whatever these news articles come out maybe some other fisherman will claim to have pulled up the fuselage or something like that 10 years ago without any pictures I'm not sure uh but no with respect to the community overall the only reason why I say you know retirement from that perspective is that uh I don't know what's going to come next you know and I think that for me with respect to this kind of thing that I've done this is the first time I've done anything like this on social media but there were a couple times before this where I dug into some stuff on my own and it's kind of like you got to wait for that thing to appear right and then you get this kind of feeling like whoa there's something here there's something going on now there is one thing that I'll throw out there it's a little controversial but I may dig into NASA a little bit especially around some of the Mars stuff that's out there there's a few topics that I think are pretty interesting that are being suppressed uh potentially even including microbial life that has probably already been found on Mars um and I'm not a huge fan of NASA in general I mean I think that their mission statements correct but I I just just don't have a lot of faith in them as organization so maybe something related to that or maybe just something entirely different but uh I'm not going to force anything I think that's really important um is not to try to force the issue and take my time learning the science while we go along so thank you alien girl appreciate you a lot make sure you guys check her out um want to go to Noah next hey Noah how's it going man Ashton thank you so much sir for uh putting me on the space uh so everybody's been praising you and I praise for you as well because you know when it comes this topic you truly do seem so approachable and so cool just an awesome dude and uh so my question for you is again on a personal level I don't know how much you'd like to divulge about this but what kind of a person do you think you were before this whole experience started with MH370 how do you think you are now if you've add any time to reflect on this experience whatsoever and uh how has it changed you and when you see yourself doing moving forward not just investigating the whole technology things but uh it seems like what you went through really changed you changed your whole perspective on everything and so it it really throws you on a different course I was just wondering if you had any contemplation about this whole experience and and then one more follow-up question since the anniversary is coming up did you by chance happen to plan or would you be opening or would you be open sorry about the Husky open to plan anything like a big bang 10th anniversary media blitz here's all the evidence here's the videos we're going to storm the White House Press Conference and ask if these videos are real anything like that nothing like huge like that but I am thinking like um oh my God please please I'm definitely gonna put out the all new all evidence list and all my works as well as all the podcasts I've done and those will be things that'll probably be coming out like the week or two before the you know the anniversary in general um I am planning on at least I I I think it's not official but I'm I'm probably going to go back on like investigate Earth so Chad got cut off there but uh Chad and Shar with investigators actually were the very first podcasts that had me on out of anybody and I've been on them like four or five times quite a lot um and I appreciate them greatly so I think that it would be a nice night cap for them to be like the closing Arc of it in general as well and kind of just doing a summary of what I've learned and basically a lot of what your questions just were so you'll get the inside answer right now which is this has absolutely changed me in more ways than I can even say on the space at the moment um but it's definitely made me somebody that now like I see what's important in the world um I think is probably the way I would put it whereas before I was somebody that would do my job go home watch some Netflix play some computer games go to sleep and repeat right now I look at it I go there's more of this reality that we' even been told there is science that's being suppressed that's just out there in the open and that's how easy it is to suppress it that anyone can learn it that anyone can do an investigation like we've done and make a difference and have an impact um and all of those things just uh you know I I think to the post I made a few days ago where it was this clip of this uh this music and and over like uh some Malcolm bendal and Elon Musk stuff and Elon Musk has a a really good clip in it which I'm not like obsessed with Elon Musk in anyway shape or form but he's a very uh profound individual and he says that you have to have a reason to wake up something to look forward to in the morning and that's what I think about what this case has done to me is I think wow I have a reason is that we potentially can find technology uh and and expose technology that can change the world that's been kept maybe hidden for decades on end um so yeah I think that every aspect of my life has changed and I think it's all for the better and it does even though I'm not somebody who believes in uh fate uh it does have this weird feel where it's like was this meant to be um and you know I always kind of wonder that in the back of my mind while I still don't really believe in that kind of stuff so yeah does that answer your questions any followup hey man we love you dude please take care of yourself you've been quite amazing as far as like getting in a new things uh it was independent journalism something I found watching you on the Kim Iverson show was like unbelievable to me that was so awesome and just you're an independent journalist now and so you just fit right in exploding on an independent journalism scene and I think you've been so vital to this entire discussion and you have a very groundbased evidencebased approach it's just it's so good so uh you know bless you take care of yourself looking forward to your work in the future very much appreciate it man yeah and I think there's been so many good podcasters one of my other things I want to do is hopefully grab some clips from some other podcasters that I've done and that may bleed over into after the investigation has been retired where I post some clips from some of them because like I said early on I want to try to give as much attention to Alternative media in general and just have it kind of take over um I saw Chad jump back up here do you want to finish your thought that you had earlier you were talking about the various comments that you were seeing on there um I don't know if you heard but I I did kind of give you guys a shout out talking about how we might do a Kind of Night Cap episode just to wrap up the case uh in general but go ahead yeah sorry guys I think Ashton kicked me he wasn't he wasn't liking my hell's Angel's background of his uh of his life anyway um here's the thing so we got on Spotify started looking these comments and one of the things that I started to see was after seven years of podcasting you know when something's coordinated you know when something is either boded or coordinated and that happens um so I started seeing these similar comment and they would always mention um just X Ashton's name um and especially in particular ones that were just hardcore I mean it could be very similar comments uh across various episodes but it seemed like there was a driving factor to almost even threaten us not to allow Ashton back on um and and and our podcast is you know like I said we we are controversial we're kind of used to getting threats or death threats we we've had that before based on our opinions or or our thoughts um but when I started seeing it like as a coordinated effort towards Ashton I called him and I said hey said I know that you have faced a lot of hate and a lot of stuff like that but have you seen stuff like this um and as we know Ashton's kind of already addressed there is obviously toxicity in the UFO Community there's toxicity in many communities but especially UFO Community because I think it's a battle right now we are at a battle with reality and what we have always known to be reality is about to drastically change um and whether that is the disclosure effort as far as UA UFOs uaps um the the potential of the spiritual nature of UFOs or uaps and I don't think the government's hiding that necess necessarily I think more so they're to Ashton's point I think they're hiding the advanced technology that they are working on that there's 50% of the Pentagon budget that is unaccounted for I think they're probably more than likely hiding that more than anything but I heard um few of you actually talk about Jake Chanley um we actually had him on our podcast last night thanks Ashen for that well it was a really uh deep episode where we talked about a lot of these things that were erson now but um when Ashton said he said look you know I think I'm going to kind of step away from this I think it's the right thing to do at this moment I agree with that and I don't at the same time because um I do believe that what Ashton has has has uncovered and and researched and studied I think he is correct um and we've had tons of people come on our podcast to where they're there have been some people that I'm like there's no way this is true and and I'll always give my opinions on the podcast based on that and I'll even tell the people beforehand I don't necessarily believe what you're saying but I'll let you speak and we'll give our opinions um but we know for for a fact that the technology we're seeing in these videos from MH370 exist we know that and I think that the biggest discrediting effort that is going on right now towards Ashton is the fact of this this Mass coordinated effort to discredit or you know Ashton believes right now he said I don't want this to be my identity and I get that and and and and by the way I don't think it has to be ashon because I think you're extremely smart in so many different revenues or or Avenues but um but the reality is that's also what they want you to believe they want you to believe that hey give it up it's done it's over um but I told Ashton and Ashton I believe that you're going to continue your research especially as far as advanced technology and all these aspects and I just want people to understand that when people go after someone and they attack somebody and I'm sure a lot of you have seen this with Ashton or whoever um most of the time the people that they attack are the ones that are that are right over the Target and I've seen it I we like I said we we've had comments about this we've had emails um we've had people uh you know connect to us on X and Facebook and all this stuff trying to almost threaten us not to have ashon back on um but that's just all Scare Tactics and regardless I I think that at the very least we're we're very fortunate Ashton to have you a part of the space of trying to get to the bottom of what the hell is actually going on in today's world because so many people are confused and I think there's about to be a major breakthrough in reality um that people are not going to be able to ignore very soon and so Ashton I think you have done an amazing job and uh and our listeners agree so that's all I want to say I appreciate you uh Chad I appreciate you guys a lot uh so grateful for you guys to be the first ones that had me on in general I still think back to how I was pretty rude to you guys back then because I was so confident in my own opinion that it couldn't be some kind of teleportation and you guys were the ones telling me that it was and ever since I've been talking about how it is is I also remember how scared I was when I was on that as well um just because I had no idea what to expect kind of going to the point that was asked earlier by no I think how has changed you like I you know thought that the government might silence people over this but I think what I've learned as part of the investigation is just as you said the way that this works is a matter of discrediting people um just like the post I made earlier about salvator Pas and his patents that are out there people still say that you can patent anything which is just not true at all um and that he had to go through a lot of rigorous process to get those patents approved and that if you look at his Wikipedia page like also Hal pof's Wikipedia page and probably many other scientists it's filled with narratives that are out there that're not supported by any evidence at all it just says oh people claim this person's pseudo science and stuff like and all kinds of defamatory content that's how they're able to keep it hidden from people and because people only believe whatever the TV tells them only believe whatever uh narratives they hear from their trust trusted sources whether that be academics or whatever uh that they just simply keep their mind closed to the possibility that that something else can be real out there it's much easier than I would have ever imagined to silence people um William I see you've uh been going off mute do you want uh to jump in you've been waiting for a while hey can you hear me yeah how's it going man um I'm okay I'm the proverbial man behind the curtain I rarely step out of just chat and messages but uh I wanted to to number one to honor you uh tonight I've been attacking these kind of issues since the early 70s so I'm kind of the old man in it and uh I was in retirement and it took somebody like you to bring me out of retirement and light a fire under my ass which you you definitely did and uh I haven't been able to let go of it since so I'm going to ask you Echo what everybody else says about you on here without having to repeat it all and uh just thank you for that and also I'm uh plowing through Florence to I think it's dangi or D Chang's book yeah Florence dang yeah as I'm kind of half the time with your science and half the time with that book and as I've been reading into it I've been realizing that she except for the main issue of what happened to the plane she pretty much lines with you very closely on number one all the stuff that was wrong out there all the stuff that was made up and and she just thinks that the plane didn't land you know didn't disappear and that's because I think she was riding disappearing act even before you came on the scene after the video so I want I was interested before I you know didn't hear from you much anymore I was interested to know if you've ever been in touch with Florence if you ever thought about being in touch with her because she certainly has done decades worth of great journalism and put an awful lot of of effort into this story and sad to see her not really get all the information if she doesn't have it so I'll leave it with that but thank you for again lighting that fire it keeps me alive at this point so yeah so um William thank you very much for following along man I've seen you in the streams a lot as well and I I love all the people that are in the streams we're sitting here we're just talking about like science Advanced science and you still got 100 250 people watching you know that's the kind of stuff that encourages me in general where I see that people aren't it's not just people wanting to watch reaction videos and video games and stuff like that you've got like real people that want to learn important science that can help change the world and I love it I have been in touch with Florence the Changi I did message her the other day I think I she was I think the first person I told about my decision to retire from the case uh because I have been in contact with her uh periodically for the last about four months or so and I've spoken to her on the phone several times plan to talk to her as well soon uh out of all the investigators that have been out there she's the one that I respect by far the most uh it's not even close and I would have had no idea early on who the people would be that I would uh respect an investigators or not I kind of thought that people would be more open-minded in general and I found out that most of them weren't especially all the independent group and Jeff wise they're completely closed-minded full CNN brains as I call it you know nothing that they haven't been told from the TV can be true and I think this is uh how it was really easy for the government in my opinion to spoof and fake the iMat pings and trick them all is that the iMat which is 100% tied to United States intelligence they have a bunch of people in the military and Generals and Admirals on their board of directors are literally the only evidence that's out there for this plane going into the South Indian Ocean at all and um I I think that it just goes to show really that if you have people that are open-minded you can find the truth of things and I see all Rick's requesting to come up he's something he and I have talked recently about this idea that if you prove the lie that's how you can really get to the truth of things is that you can prove that no this plane didn't crash into the South Indian Ocean that can help to show what is the real truth then even if it's a truth that's very difficult to believe so I definitely plan on talking to Florence to changy more in the future if you guys want an awesome book her book disappearing act kind of goes through not just her investigation and research which I think she's done the most research out of anybody on the planet even more than I've done um into every every aspect of the plane flight every aspect of all the people there and um it it's written in the sense of like a uh kind of like a um a direct first person account of being on the plane and a very compelling dramatic story which is really awesome so definitely check that out um more to come with her potentially in the future and couldn't think any highly more highly of her than I do uh thank you William now let's see who else we got up here um we got or up hey or how's it going man hey what's up uh Melo what's up Ashton um forgive me I I missed the start of the space I had um I've been up way too many days straight and I fell asleep but um Ashton I I kind of wanted to know I wanted to know two things one do you what's your um did did the way you sort of stay in touch with like not stay in touch but have a sense for the normies or the rest of the world did you feel like not that it got skewed but I'll tell you my my personal feeling is that the deeper you get into let's say more rare fighting knowledge and UFO UFO Twitter I feel like there's some sort of not reality Distortion field but I find it much harder to have a feel for like the the collective unconscious I feel like sometimes you can come across information that's that's mindblowing or potential other reality you can get so steeped in in it in UFO Twitter and I don't think that's a bad thing but the more you're exposed to a really meaningful unconventional reality I find that that it it it becomes more and more difficult to figure out what what is the awareness of like the rest of the people and I want to know if that's just me or if that's you as well like if like especially with the grush stuff or UA uapa right like we can feel like oh my goodness this thing is about to get gutted and then you step out into the rest of the world and rest is like who's grush like what's going on I wanted to know like are are you feeling that too for me it's much harder to figure out like what's the average heartbeat of the rest of the world whether you call them CNN brain or normies and second thing I wanted to know like what is what is going to happen with like your personal life because this has taken up a huge chunk of like your your wake in Consciousness um are you having a hard time uh figuring out what's meaningful for you in terms of a friend group socially without without MH370 taking up um all of all of your Consciousness I I hope those questions make sense um yeah I mean so I I I think that from a friend group I think that you know everybody here that we've been talking to that I've been meeting up with I don't think anything's going to change on that front right this isn't any kind of pity party or anything like that for me in general um so yeah I think that there's going to be more good stuff to come for sure in general um I think that it's just a situation where you know this will always be out there I think and I think to the point of like what Chad and Sher were saying is that they're correct like I don't really want to like typ cast myself with this maybe they're right and that wouldn't necessarily be required but um you know I just you have to realize the reality of the situation and I think earlier I was saying this as well in terms of uh it kind of being like a black pill situation where this is something that's so big that if these videos are real there's people who would be uh potentially going to prison for life people that would be um you know being sued the government would be getting sued our US government for potentially tens of billions maybe even up to trillions of dollars like there are huge implications people would do literally anything to hide this stuff and it's not even just the videos it's like just ufology in general in terms of what they've been hiding and related to if UFOs are real if aliens are real if the technolog is real same implications like huge huge liability for the people that have been hiding this and that's the reason why I think they're so some of them at least are so desperate to keep it hidden um and so that's the part that I'm going to be trying to focus on is I want to expose the technology I want to expose the people that I know are hiding the science behind this stuff you know even going back to the Eric Weinstein video that I posted where he's talking about is there can there really be physics that are being hidden and the only thing that he got wrong and I I say this humbly it sounds egotistical but I do mean this as humbly as possible is that it's not a matter of needing new physics it's a matter of taking the physics we already understand and looking them through a new lens it's a matter of looking at Z Point Energy and saying we can open the system up and now we don't violate the laws of thermodynamics it's saying that we don't need the object itself to move as fast as the speed of light because we can bend gravity and and put a uh basically encapsulate the entire object in a gravity bubble that displaces it entirely we can move the fabric of space itself and the object will go with it right and if you look at it through these lenses now we're not violating any of the principles of physics or engineering right and that's the stuff that I want to try to push the boundary forward on when it comes to the science and the coverups I I don't want to interrupt you answering my question but are you looking to have uh Weinstein on in in one of your podcasts maybe in combination with a couple of the other you know alternative propulsion physicists I would love to have people on I mean so my podcast like I don't know what's going to happen with it I think that there is right now a pretty negative stigma in general I think I did say that I already recorded an episode with uh Mark so who was is the founder of Apec as well as Falcon space I am planning on reaching out to some other scientists that I know that have done presentations on like ape and things like that before um but yeah if there are people that want to talk to me um feel free to put them in touch um you know I I think I'm open to talking to pretty much anybody especially when it comes to the science or when it comes to like the legislation around how we try to get this information out from the thirdparty contractors um and everyone in between people also that have done their own investigative research you know like uh potentially someone in the future like Megan right who's been looking into the nas cammies you know I think that that's another one that's probably as close to the MH370 thing where you have this huge polarization people get locked into their opinions and very few people are digging into the facts of it like those are the people no matter how big or how small they are is that I I want to talk to and I want to hear from just like I you know reached out to Timothy alberino about his amazing experience going down to Peru good question yeah man yeah thank you and and do you have a similar feeling that I have that it's harder that you're sort of losing Touch of like the rest of the world and that doesn't have to be a negative or positive thing but like do do you know what I mean it's it once you realize like wow there's all these lies we've been lied to um it's harder for me to figure out uh does does it even make sense do you just keep on going down a rabbit hole and then you feel alienated or divorced from from the CNN reality uh yeah I mean a little bit you know I never I haven't watched cable TV in uh probably like eight years or more honestly so part of that you you definitely feel a little bit disconnected from it but um that kind of goes back to the the Elon Musk quote you know about having a need a reason to look for wake up in the morning and and want to you know make things better I would say that I'm an idealist so absolutely you see it from that perspective but you have to learn how to use the system itself as well right and even if there are a lot of people that are asleep at the wheel that are engrossed entirely in the Kardashians and Tik toks and things like that of the world um at some point they'll flip over as well right is this is something I think I was talking with Melo about in another space but the idea that you reach an inflection point right it's it it may really be that those disclosure celebrities and stuff that are out there they've already gotten ahead of this and they've realized that it's not even a matter of getting the science out but it's a matter of changing Minds one at a time and when you get to a point where you have a significant percentage I'm just going to throw a number out 70% of the of the general populace believes that aliens are real or whatever that all of a sudden there will just be an inflection point that happens and everything will come out at once where because I think that all these things are tied together you know if you were to believe hypothetically that aliens are visiting us then it's like well how the heck are they getting here right and so okay now we have to have these crafts that need to be able to move faster than light or we have to come up with some other explanation um so I I think that I have hope for people in general and I don't look down upon anyone even people that I think are kind of uh you know asleep or in the Slumber and not really paying attention to the nature of reality it's uh not something that concerns me too much uh I just want to help as many people as possible honestly and last thing then for this Tipping Point right like a a psychological Tipping Point where where let's say the majority finally accept all right something crazy is going on I've maintained that what you need is either a public display of like you know UFOs standing on the White House lawn or somebody connecting telepathically with an alien and making them come down somewhere physically or you need a proof of concept a public display of this Advanced prop propulsion or you need essentially a New York Times of of euphology or of the Paranormal are you viewing things in a similar way that you're you're saying like all right I want to actually like just prove the tech uh to to make that flip happen why it crash what the hell I'm not hearing anything and not seeing any subtitles can anyone hear me I can I can hear you Melo but I I can't hear anything either yeah I hear you okay cool we might be U having some connection issues with our host um but hey that was fascinating uh while we're Ash give some signs of life if you're with us in the meantime uh maybe do a reset or something um but yeah uh it kept coming up with our friend Megan and yeah I don't know what's up with that just crashed oh one of them you know there's a channel okay I'm oh he's back anyway there's me think there is the end of that story hey Ashen hey yeah so um sorry R did I miss your last question oh yeah so the Tipping Point right so uh in terms of the Tipping Point yeah I think that that's part of the reason why I'm diging into the science right I think that's a way where we can open up more Minds to things and I I'm just absolutely 100% certain that the science behind both the videos as well as all the other stuff that I proposed out there is real um and that I would never have been put in touch with a lot of the people that I've talk to on podcast behind the scenes Etc were it not for this stuff being real in general so one of the things I say in that regard is part of the reason why I'm retiring as well is that we don't even need the videos anymore in order to be able to prove a lot of this stuff right as well as to even be able to prove the conspiracy behind it we don't even really need the videos anymore because we've just found so much evidence so that's part of the reason why I've said okay well let's just take this polarizing topic which is the mh37 videos which uh 370 sorry is that you know you've got so many people that believe this Narrative of the pilot suicide let's just let people marinate on it for a while they're never going to find that plane they're never going to be able to prove that it was any type of pilot suicide because that's not what happened and so I don't need to really focus on that instead let's focus on changing Minds through other means that's true opinion um let's see who hasn't Danny I think I saw you come up and down several times did you want to say something or Mike one of you guys I think both you guys have been waiting yeah I can hop in Ashton brother you were like a dog on a bone and it was really great to watch to the point where over the last two months like I would come home from work and like wait for the live stream it's been really great to watch I just hope it doesn't take 35 years like Bob Lazar where people start to look back and say uh hey wait a minute let's take another look at this um I love how you're leaving it with a drop the mic moment you're like kind of saying your honor I arrest my case here all evidence update with like 60 bullet points it's like yeah it's a circumstantial case but when you add all this up it points to a certain thing I just have two quick questions for you has this work affected your work life did like did they know about it would would you talk about it um and number two is it a hard note from Joe Rogan and Lex it it would be a shame to see them not interview you and sorry what was the first part of the question uh after before the um podcast question because I did actually want to address the podcast thing but I was just in my own thoughts there oh just your just your work life like did your co-workers know about this oh yeah that's that's a fun story too yeah okay so um let's I'm going to first go to the the podcaster thing in general um so yes I have utmost respect for all those podcasters I don't even blame them for believing the videos might be hoaxes or too controversial in some cases for people um even with Gia I think that Gia wanted me on and then they talked to their board of directors and they nixed it because it was too too electric for them which I thought was pretty funny coming from Gia um but I have no disrespect at all for any of them and if they ever in the future want to talk to me um and have me on their shows absolutely I think it would even be better if it happens at some point in the future and not necessarily right now just due to the nature of how polarized everything is I think that if you look in potentially a year from now five years from now I think the landscape will change significantly especially when you look at the disclosure movement in general and you see how rapidly people's views are changing um that I think people will become much more accepting and people will look back at these videos as time goes on and these other narratives continue to find no evidence as we continue to find no plane people will start to realize wait a minute yeah we probably had to know what happened to that plane and you know as crazy as this guy's theory is out there it seems to make the most sense right it has the most evidence and it's just a matter of people realizing in my opinion um then with respect to the cooworker stuff that's pretty funny as well there were a very small number of people uh that did recognize me from various appearances I had one ex-coworker from like 15 years ago uh back when I was living in another state where they emailed me and they go are you the same Ashen Forbes that I used to work with and I said that's the very one and I thought that was a pretty funny connection there was a couple people at work that saw me on some of the earlier podcasts and they were like oh I'm going to jump in your Discord but I'm not going to say who I am or anything I'm just going to lurk um and then there was somebody as well I I used to play Pokemon go back when I lived in California many years ago or I guess not many but a few years ago and one of them uh messaged me on Discord as well and was like Hey did I was that you I saw on the Tim pool uh podcast and I was like yeah yeah that's me so it's interesting nobody has recognized me in person um which I'm kind of glad for uh what I will say is there was somebody on one of the podcasters one of The Producers I was talking in the car with them and they were saying like You' kind of got the best of both worlds where you're like got this weird internet Fame right but you don't have that Fame where like people are going to like see you on the streets and recognize you right and it's kind of nice because I never wanted to be somebody who's famous I think there's the younger generation I think the Tik Tok generation really thinks of it as as being this F this uh glorious glamorous thing but I I don't look at it that way I never have I always just wanted to be a normal person so I think this is also a good opportunity to still be a normal person but still have put this Mark on the UFO community in general set the standard for some of these investigations in the future as well as really put out into the Zeitgeist especially around MH370 this idea of this fire scenario as well as the government taking the plane that takes some of the conspiracies that were out there conspiracy theories around the plane and just provides a whole lot of evidence like we threw out this idea of these patents that are talked about in the Dick Gregory um uh video that you can see out there um and that none of those people are actually on the plane but it doesn't mean that those freescale semiconductors weren't the motive right it almost seems like that was a little bit of a distraction and just finally I want to repeat something which is that this case is not distracted from UFO disclosure in any way shape or form I I I hate this idea that a lot of people in The Conspiracy Theory world say about so and so is a distraction this is a distraction as if like you can only think about one thing at the same time I just think that's totally totally absurd and I think that that's used as a mechanism to just dismiss people instead of trying to think about things logically and clearly um so if anyone can show me any evidence that somehow this case has distracted from overall larger disclosure efforts um I'd be happy to consider it but I don't think it's out there um Jenny I see you uh have your hand up and thank you Mike for those questions appreciate it man yeah actually I want to go to Danny because Danny has been waiting and then we'll go to you Jenny can you hear me guys yeah we can hear you both how's it going oh brilliant uh well I'm I'm from I'm in the UK so I just it's quite late here but I've been listening intently and I just wanted to say that Ashton really well done for the last few months whatever you've been doing this and I've been following intently but I just wanted to get down to some specifics if I can um I'm really interested in the Diego G angle because I think that there's obviously a lot of uh evidence that points in that direction I'm just wondering where Ashton feels about that that specific point in particular before I ask another question oh yeah so Diego Garcia in my opinion is that's the only logical place for the plane to have gone um presuming it didn't crash which is what we've basically been saying um the reason being is that there's too many radar systems in countries that would not be Alli that you have to cover up it's even hard to think about covering up Malaysia Thailand India Indonesia and Australia which is pretty much what's required just for this Narrative of the South Indian Ocean and what have you and even going to Diego Garcia um but with respect to it going like North like and through to Russia or something there's way too many countries and if like Russia had taken the plane you know we would probably have exposed it we wouldn't have just been quiet and we I mean the United States but you have this Island Diego Garcia that all these conspiracy theories had talked about this being the place and you look into it and nobody even knew about it in my opinion it's the new Area 51 the same way Bob Lazar made Area 51 on the map this case and not necessarily my case here with MH370 but even beforehand put Diego Garcia on the map I had no idea what Diego Garcia even was before people started talking about conspiracy theories and you look into it and you're like there's a lot of corroborating evidence you have these people that were like a couple hundred miles North on this small island these Islanders who don't see jumbo Jets seeing the jumbo jet of Malaysian airlines flying over them at like 6:00 in the morning and there's like 20 different people that saw it and they all get dismissed because it wasn't coming from the right direction well if you can teleport a plane somewhere then you can come from any direction right and then you have this exf data picture where um you know it was debunked by the same people that debunked the videos that uh it shows Philip wood having supposedly taken a picture from a prison cell that has exf data pointing the location geol location to Diego Garcia it's the logical place where no Radars would see it out there it's actually a good place as well for testing this kind of technology so to me if I'm at Vegas or whatever I mean I can't prove it but I would just throw all my money down there if we're playing poker I'd say time to flip over the cards show me what you got you know if we're playing roulette it's all going on Diego Garcia yeah so that that get leads on to my next question which was about the Philip wood photo and the and the data that came from that but also to the fact that a lot of like like you i' never really heard of Diego Garcia before until MH370 went missing and then you look at it and you think well that like you said it's a it's like an Area 51 in the middle of the ocean in the middle of nowhere and it's actually British land which is like leas to America for them to have an air base on but there was another bit of evidence that was deleted I don't know if you know about this but there was a satellite picture of a uh an aircraft same size as MH370 on the air strip or slightly off the air strip on my um on Diego Garcia a few weeks or months later then it disappeared and that's why I thought there must be a connection with the the plane that went down in the Ukraine you know because it was a Malaysian aircraft it was the same type of aircraft it was so many similarities there I just wondered whether you'd thought about whether they they you know done something there yeah I had heard that you know it's funny because that's a lead that I hadn't I'd heard that but I hadn't seen enough cing evidence to run with that but I had heard that people had seen it in some picture or something on Diego Garcia in general the thing that I find is really interesting that we found out part of the case was in June of 2014 there was some kind of flooding that destroyed the flight logs of Diego Garcia which is pretty weird because you'd think in 2014 they'd have everything on you know electronic but somehow they still had paper logs for it that flooding was able to destroy um and that's pretty damn convenient also I think that was it one of the princes Prince Harry or one of them uh went out there as well like right around that period of time we also found a Facebook picture dating back to like March 8th that shows there was no departures for Diego Garcia uh 72 hours after March 8th so there's a lot of really really weird stuff um and that's the place where You' hide it we even found dredging contracts uh with black construction as well as a locked Martin Power and Water upgrade contract that for the uh the dredging we presumably would be for Building um like underground stuff in general uh which I think there's absolutely has to be something underground in Diego Garcia um basically nothing on the surface changes over 20 years and yet you've got 50 to100 million of contracts that we those just the ones we found easily um that you know are for construction there and black construction does like really Advanced construction projects um and then you also see that the planes on the runway uh after 2014 and Google Earth Pro just disappear there's all these planes huge planes on the runway and then after that every picture there's no like one or zero planes on the runway you could say maybe has to do with Afghanistan or Iraq or whatever but another approach is what if there's just an underground hanger and some kind of elevator that they can bring them down right um so to me again it's that's the place right I just nowhere else seems logical they also potentially didn't ditch the plane a lot of people ask well what if they just ditch the plane like a week later in the South Indian Ocean so that there's some cover up for it right or even a year later anytime the problem with that is the black boxes you'd also have to falsify all the data on the black boxes which would be extremely difficult um because otherwise they're going to pull those black boxes up and we're going to find out the plane didn't fly south in the South Indian Ocean that it took some other roundabout approach so I just have one last question yeah and and you've got 227 passages 10 crew members so you've got over 230 potential mobile phones a and with God knows how many different networks and stuff and we know from mobile phone data that a lot of that it like can be pinpoint you know and link to satellites Etc so I don't understand how 230 plus mobile phones and their data and their locations can just also vanish that that's my other point I wanted to make yeah and I think that's part of the reason why 19 family members signed a joint statement um begging the government to look into the fact that the phones were still ringing for up to four days afterwards which is very unusual they had some fake I call them fake experts quote unquote uh go on CNN and try to argue about how it could still be happening but it's not going to going to be happen in 19 different phone phones for up to 4 days including one person proving it on Chinese Television right and to me this just goes to show how easy it is for people to get lied to right um anybody could just turn your phone off uh which is what would happen the moment it's underwater and saltwater for like 15 minutes um and you could try to call it and you're not going to get a ring right um and that's what I think is Wild is that we they should have been able to look into that and I think the bigger question is is like how does the phone service and Signal work if they're on a place like Diego Garcia which is a base where you can't have commercial flights land on which also begs the question of how Philip wood is even able to get a message out and what was the nature of that whole situation um well we just don't have enough data data to really figure it out but yeah I mean I think that all the stuff you brought up are some of the really strongest evidence for you know why this is a really odd mystery and why the uh evidence there doesn't add up to this scenario that's been pushed which is this pilot SU suicide narrative any last follow up on that I want to go to a couple other people here yeah I appreciate that on on YouTube my channel is the public detective I appreciate everything you've done and keep going don't give up thanks a lot Danny yeah and so I think that we're only going to go for probably another uh 10 15 minutes or so uh so I want to get a couple other questions here and people that have been able to come up Jenny you've been waiting with your hand up patiently go ahead real quick I just wanted to say you said standards um watching you present the information going through the debunking process when Kim offered the set you know the amount of money watching you address that and then come back from that was an excellent standard and I think that that type of a standard when we present information and go through the process of finding out whether or not it's factual you did create an amazing standard and like you just said a minute ago before that gentleman who just I mean you've got me thinking like where are where is the cell phone data and the material that was you know they it couldn't have hit the water because there's no material I just watched a long program explaining that so so you know this is just ridiculous to to try to satiate our minds with you know and one thing you know like they're lying to us somebody's lying somebody knows something and they're not telling us as usual but um what you also said Ashton was that when somebody says that angle isn't correct there's 360 Degrees to every angle you know and there's multiple perspectives all over the place so everybody has their position and and the way that they present information to create a full perspective so you know to think that you your Viewpoint and only one is the right and only one is just stupid so enabling everybody to take their own you know their own information processing system between their ears and follow their their data out especially in a standard at which you did Ashton I think will lead the truth Community into something that's you know really incredible and when it comes to communities you know this is a Humanity that's the community the community is Humanity the the fact that whether or not will'll be able to survive the technology that they're keeping secret from us and and why are we the enemy and like it's it's a Humanity community so it's not just UFO this that and the other because I fly through all of them and you the type of Truth Seeker that you are you belong to all of them especially the team Humanity so that's what I wanted to say and thank you and man the guy that just went before me you have got me thinking thank you for your questions you know it was great to listen to yeah no I thank you very much and this isn't meant to be like a big Rah ra Ashton thing but I do absolutely appreciate everybody here ra ra freaking Ashton okay it's all right it's okay because supporting each other that's what a real person can do is somebody can be a badass and other people can say good job without feeling jealous or ego weird we can celebrate each other wouldn't we kick ass and you just did so take it damn it no I will I appreciate Jenny and I definitely look forward to more conversations with you and everybody else in the future and I think that combined as a community uh regardless of what ends up happening with the case here is that we have there's other stuff that we're going to be able to uncover right I think the nice thing about the UFO Community even though I kind of you know uh gave criticism to both sides there is that everybody wants the same thing right they just want to get to the truth and they want to know whatever that truth is so I think that we will get there 100% And U I don't know how long it'll take I just I hope that it happens before uh I leave this planet metaphysically or or uh directly literally um okay so a couple more people uh Martin I saw you jump up do you want to say anything I appreciate you sir you're talking to me yeah yeah go ahead yeah good to good to talk with you ashon I just want to say uh once again I really appreciate uh uh your uh your accessibility and trying to uh uh get in touch with you not directly about the uh the MH370 thing although that was uh compelling and really got me thinking about a number of other things but but also uh just as an opportunity to uh talk about uh the physics uh behind behind the whole subject whenever uh uh you feel is an appropriate time and uh and with whoever else might uh see this I'm kind of a one-on-one person and so uh I'm not really shy but I'm I'm just not you know I I kind of I'm interested in what other people have to say as well so I just uh I want to say uh just say that that uh if if you check out my my uh also and a shout out to as well to uh to Roy Herbert who is uh helped me in in in developing uh uh some followers on in this regard on the on uh uh x uh but but there's I mean I I early on I saw some what I saw were inconsistencies in trying to put uh uh general relativity and and Quantum uh mechanics or Quantum field Theory together and I just I had a very simple question uh that I asked and and I came up with a and I won't go into it here but I came up with a response I went to uh uh uh local University which was Duke which is a has a good uh uh uh Academy as far as having the experts there but they sent me to string the and I I had a question for them they gave me a uh I I gave me an opportunity to give a response to that but when I couldn't come back with a with a immediate uh answer to them I kind of got cut off and I've had that kind of but that was this is like almost 30 years ago and I've spent my time since then learning what I needed to to learn to get get more versed in the whole subject so uh I just want to I want to first of all thank you and and any uh anything any way we can uh uh put our heads together on on this subject because I think it is real I think technolog is there and I uh I I can understand it from uh from my perspective but I have to talk with other people and and and get them involved so that they can and uh see where I'm coming from and we can we can build a uh a box of of uh of uh or knowledge for which to uh to try to try to uh uh penetrate this whole subject on a technical level and there's some economic aspects of this as well but that's that's a whole another subject and I won't go into that now and and some spiritual aspects but once again we can talk about those things later so yeah thanks Martin and I just want to point out that Martin is uh uh a colleague of Roy de Herbert who's been on a hard TRS podcast he Roy de Herbert tuned me a lot on the physics especially early on when I was trying to wrap my brain around it um I did post uh Martin's um uh summary of The Works that he's put in five different papers that are out there um I I read through it and and you know interesting story Martin this was crazy um I as part of just talking to other people scientists and Engineers I had been pointed to the works of uh somebody named uh David oh crap I have to pull it up um David maker David Maker's work and after uh somebody replied on or I think they messaged me after I posted your papers in the summary and they said this is really similar to David Maker's work have you looked at his work at all and I actually did a stream on it later that night looked at it it is really similar you should check it out I think his website's actually just davidm maker.com um so there's definitely like what I've come to realize guys is that the unification theories have already been put out there um they're in the public Zeitgeist it's a probably just a matter of reconciling them but they're all very very similar right they all have to do with unification of the forces um and just kind of how they go about that approach and looking at SpaceTime as this medium um and not something where there's just nothing there right and and that's what's awesome about uh Martin and Roy's work and everybody else that we've talked to so definitely guys check their stuff out if you want to be somebody who's kind of enlightened on it it's obviously very difficult if you don't have the scientific background but you can build that Foundation up to the point where it starts to become make more and more sense I was just on his pen tweet and and looking at like the waveforms and what you are concentrating on and I you I keep hearing these two party differences we've got heart mind we've got right left we've got up down and then when you look at physics or the physical matter compare you know compared to non-physical matter and just just within senses of what we can detect these two things need to be conjoined and that's what I feel is happening there's a bottleneck occurring to where we're starting to understand physical matter as well as non-physical matter and the existence together in the medium at which it travels I just really hope that in the future Consciousness studies maintain part of that we've got you know different things with random number generators and our ability to focus on something and once we observe it it changes its physical state so these things have to you know hopefully this generation is what I'm I you know we spent years and years in different Laboratories and the combination of these Labs together you know not just falling 100% physical or 100% non-physical is just vital it's very exciting looking at your your pen post the fell who's just speaking and and and gez Aston the the people you gather together and the scientists that come who are interested in this is fantastic I think that's something you know that magnetics thinking about magnets you know that's something about you and your community thanks no I appreciate that yeah I think that there that's one thing that I realize is special about this particular case right and and it's not that it proves that it's real but it shows that there are very smart people who are in the scientific field who are looking at these videos and going whoa that actually checks out from a theoretical physics and Engineering standpoint this is why you have people like Roy D Herbert jumping into my replies uh you know wanting to talk about uh phase Transitions and and me just learning all about that as well as why you have people like Salvador Pas who were eager to talk to me right and and now um I don't want to reveal too much in general but like he's not going on podcast as much anymore all of a sudden right so I I think that it does lend an order of credibility to the science behind what we've been disclosing out there and once again I will say because we're getting near the end I'm 100% sure that there this type of advanced science is real It seems impossible but it's real the way that it ends up being real is that our universe is a constru Ru if you look at it like that you add an extra Dimension that we don't perceive all of a sudden everything becomes possible um and I know that's hard to understand hard to believe for Norm people that are out there maybe some people that are listening right now but that's the truth that I've come to realize through the course of the investigation um let's do one more question unless there's somebody else who wants to come up last minute but George I think you've been waiting patiently sir I I've seen your posts I appreciate you commenting sir go ahead uh thank you um I would just wanted to Echo um what uh has just been said here in the last few minutes uh it was the it was the body of scientific serious the serious scientific body of of discussion that Drew me to this to the IM the image through the what you've been putting together um just by way of background I was a a litigator for about 20 25 years uh so I know how to put a case together and and you assemble um uh points arguments that are based in very difficult topic very well and breaking those down into things that are understandable to a a regular audience is is very very hard and u i noticed that immediately and that's what drew me to it because there's a lot out there um I'm only kind of moderately interested in the UFO topic I saw the MH370 documentary like everybody else thought was very interesting uh I thought the the the squirrly way that the government people were all behaving was a huge red flag and so that's kind of what I hung my hat on that somebody's clearly lying and a lot of somebody's are clearly lying and it was rather obvious just from a you know behavioral standpoint um but the only reason I was really interested in revisiting it again was because of the scientific um after about five years ago uh I switched and now I'm an amateur researcher in uh gravity anti-gravity um uh topics and I've been working on it with a bunch of other amateur researchers and developers and inventors uh for about four or five years and I am absolutely convinced that it's totally real that it is U entirely possible what we saw in that video um I've followed sou P's uh work how P off uh all the current people on these topics for years um it's what I do now and I can tell you that I I have no doubt about that whatsoever the only quibble is I don't I really understand teleportation and if I had to put in my two cents on the scientific side I would say that what that thing was doing was that it was circling the plane which is not a gravitic vehicle to create a gravity bubble around it so that it could move really really fast I don't really understand teleportation but I think it was just Z zooming it out of there so fast that no camera uh or even a human eye could see it and could do that um without ripping the plane apart um they could have it then uh come back to normal speeds anywhere they wanted and Diego Garcia is the perfect place for that um just land it uh you know Jam all the frequencies on the phones and then do whatever they were planning to do for whatever purpose they had so that would be my U my belief in probably the most likely scenario from what I've seen so far yeah no I thank you George and yeah I think that that's what made this all so compelling to people in general right is that it wasn't just rehashing the investigation that was out there um and the case of the plane it was also looking at this lens of the scientific aspect right and I think that that's what got so many people curious about it even myself as well because I'm somebody that I love science uh I'm a very actually a logical and reasonable person other than the the fact that I sit here talking about a plane being able to be teleported but even surprising to me uh dug into the science and realized that it actually is not outside the realm of possibility it's just very very difficult to believe in general um I see Melo had dropped I don't know if you have to go Melo but thank you very much for being co-host if you do I'll pull you back up for a second um but yeah thank you very much George and thank you for following along with this case and I hope you continue to follow along with the science and anybody out there as well that does find other scientific um aspects that they want me to look into please ping me on them tag me on them I see you guys doing that I appreciate a lot of it if I don't react there probably I can see it go ahead yeah one other quick question about your about the topic uh since the there was a fire apparently there was a fire in the uh cargo hole right uh what is there any thought be given to what the people might have been dead at that point or died afterwards or if that entered into it I mean there's got yeah it's hard to they brought 300 some live people up to Diego Garcia and then then uh just off them yeah no good question it's a dark question um but that's the part really honestly that's the one aspect I'm still struggling with is trying to determine whether or not the people had potentially already died from the plane there's a few different possibilities could be that the masks didn't last long enough and the the plane was even though it was flying low didn't give enough oxygen to the passengers could be that they succumb from the smoke because you're battling this fire and what the fire extinguishing devices do is they suck the oxygen out of the area as well so this is a very very dangerous situation there's even a fringe scenario where where like the Iranian passengers that had these fake passports were potentially intelligence operatives and that they either took control of the plane or that they put some gas on the plane that either knocked everybody out or something worse um and then after that you know if we do see this macroscopic phase conjugation it's not even certain you could survive an event like that um without there being some protective barrier which we've speculated it's possible but we don't know right for sure because as like Captain Dan Hanley has shown is there is this ability of remote autopilot where they could have even if after teleporting the plane you could still remote control that plane to the ground um without the pilots even so it's very speculative of course I think that in my opinion whatever happened most of the people if not everybody didn't survive because I've gotten on good authority that a lot of the people have moved on so they would have had to put a lot of people into various programs where they're never going to see their family again and some of these people like children and stuff like that too it just seems very very difficult to pull that off especially when people had like were married and things like that and a lot of these people ended up moving on and remarrying and things like that so it's a tough situation and and my heart goes out to the families of the victims right yeah yeah good question though really good question um and that just goes to one more point that I was going to make is that I do plan to do um another piece called um Espionage because I've come to believe that the super weird letter to me might actually be the true story of what happened to the plane it's not the story that I had been telling but the more that I've thought about it around especially around a lot of the details is it pulls back in like all the evidence for Espionage and even adds a few new elements that makes the Espionage scenario even more plausible and it it also then explains some of the aspects that I had a hard time explaining like why is the Drone able to um uh why is the Drone there and then why is it able to intercept the plane even in an hour and 20 minutes that's a very short period of time to put that that whole plan where you have like orbs teleporting the plane it makes a lot more sense that it would be something to be planned out months in advance that they're pulling off this type of operation so um be on the outlook for that I've been pulling together the evidence from the case as well as the stuff that Florence de Changi found to present this scenario that I I think weirdly makes the most sense which is that it could potentially have been an Espionage operation from the start there's actually a woman who's been in spaces lately who's been coming around talking about um operation gladio and their work within the world powers and the fact that they actually use training grounds in order to they use sorry Jenny's finishing then Mich I just want to put that to you because I know that they have very close ties with all of the different intelligence agencies across the globe and these are people who you know run out clandestine anything it in any situation every major event j6 911 things like that like and I know that sounds conspiracy like but we all know operation gladio was a real thing post World War II and you know we're also looking I just I just felt compelled to say that to you because you know it the biggest and the largest most succinct technology was in the hands of these people and really they work as an arm of the CIA the UN so that just got scary for me but that's all I'm going to say on that one yeah no I I think that the thing that creeped me most out about the letter when I first heard it too is the last paragraph where it talks about it just Rings true this idea that how do you stop someone who has unlimited power that controls the media that can craft a perception of events and I think that anybody who has looked at any conspiracies and I wasn't even one who was really conspiracy conspiratorial minded but I still realize that yes like the government does have that capability and through the course of the investigation especially as we been ghosted by the government by all the main Medias I realized that yes they do have 100% control of the media you know and and that's just probably the scariest part so that that is also one of the reasons why I've started to think more and more and more about this Espionage scenario which seems to make a lot more sense in this idea of a random Fire like why are there 500 pounds of lithium ion batteries on this plane right like that shouldn't even be on the plane and why were they lying about it for a week until after they developed a cover story and then you know uh it would be impossible to test and something like that of that magnitude it would almost be impossible to test it because you'd have to test right without someone seeing it and that's really the things that have happened is tests have been done con consistently and civilians have been victims to those things and the the clandestine part of it has been it we've we've seen an an uptick in technology that we cannot recognize like the Tic Tacs all those different things so they've had to do some part of disclosure because we've seen it so I mean it makes sense to me yeah it's it's scary and that's why I'm going to present the case for it even though I'd been avoiding it for months and months and months but um and then in the month since that video came out uh that weird letter but I I think that the more I've thought about it over the last month and I've started to piece stuff together um one of the other aspects that all kind of spoil related to which because I reported on it is one that Florence a Changi found which was that the nephew of the pilot was told that his his uncle was collateral damage and you think about that and you go What scenario could someone be collateral damage Dage right and it goes to that that that letter right the idea that we took the plane and that those other people are never coming back what whatever happened to them I can't say for sure but um it speaks to the Espionage scenario everything seems to line up that way as weird as is the sound um but yeah let's uh let's go to Michael and then I think we'll hit money Penny and we'll probably call it after that go ahead oh hey thank you Ashton I'm sorry I stepped on your toes jitty um five spaces is being weird uh I just wanted to say Ashton uh you know once again thank you for stepping up to the plate with this um I don't know how I found the video I know it was through your your page um sometime in I guess late August um but I still like remember the first time I saw the video and looking at the aircraft and thinking holy sh this is real um before I ever saw the orbs um and having talked uh living near uh Air Force Base so they do a lot of testing of uh Optical systems and stuff I have friends that I've showed the video to and uh one of them looked at me first two seconds or five seconds in the video looked at me and said that's old stuff we that was like 10 years ago um so I can't wait to see your last pod or to uh watch your last podcast episode and um and uh share it on the internet for everybody to uh to see the the final evidence for the case and uh I'll leave it at that and just say thank you for doing this and thanks Michael appreciate you very much yeah I I will try to make all the podcasts that I've done available as well um at least the ones that were uh respectful in general H so that people can watch through them and uh have them as a resource if you want to dig through I know I've got a lot of uh requests for that in general which makes me really happy uh just because it goes to show that there is um a reason for all that effort and I would encourage people to watch the ones that aren't necessarily just the bigname people as well but some of the smaller ones as well have been really insightful and uh really good conversations so let's go to money Penny who's been hanging out uh with in a lot of the spaces we've had a lot of great discussions she's also somebody that's been doing a lot of her own investigative research especially around the patents and the technology and I know she's got a passion for it um so real quick before she talks I'll say you know make sure you guys are following some of the people that I've been giving shout outs to here I think they've been doing amazing work and it's been awesome to meet all these people in the community go ahead money Poney hey Ashton I feel like I've spoken to you every day now you're almost my boyfriend my virtual boyfriend I wish um you could certainly make a good Martini like James Bond for money Penny perhaps um I was just here really to um repeat what I said yesterday um obviously I think this is a sensible uh mature step to take um I was initially devastated in the thought that you you were leaving us completely bereft without you um but I would like to emphasize on what you kindly said um you have inspired many I am just one um but unfortunately I am a nerdy scientific former BBC investigative journalist and this has gripped me and I wanted to just explain to people in five words the achievements you have made because for anyone that thinks he has not made and concluded or made progress that is most absolutely wrong because whilst MH370 puzzle may not be solved and may never be solved the actual progress the movement forward that Ashton has made through his own investigative inquiring mind um and if you look at his profile you will see videos from all sorts of um not necessarily famous but brilliant uh Quantum physicists scientists engineers all these people worldwide who like many of us now are aware that there is incredibly advanced technology that our governments and the people around us that seek to uh censor us are also censoring very uh amazing different types of Technology experiences free energy um and lots of things that commercially would have a huge amount of benefit from us and my particular passion is to unleash that and I began it uh with Ashton's backing and support and I will continue to do so um I have my own YouTube channel money Penny media which has a whole load of me being silly on Tik Tok but also some of the science stuff I'm going to increasingly put on it and try and emulate my hero in Ashton um but in all seriousness some of the um uh Safi mentioned patents uh plasmoid technology um avionic propulsion systems that require no energy that are based on things that most of us have never even heard of before uh he will look at my profile and if you're interested I'd love to hear from you because I'm hoping to go ahead and hold a series of spaces with the wonderful Melo at my side who has been an absolute rock as well um so if you are interested and if you would like to uh find out more and bust some more government walls down or you know Secret Service walls down please just get in touch Ashton we all love you thank you very much and I'll let you go and get your Martini now I appreciate you money Penny that's awesome uh Melo do you have any uh last thoughts for us uh yeah sorry I had to use the elevator so I um did me to abandon my post assisting you in this awesome space with all these beautiful people um uh but yeah I have a um space that's starting um just any minute now I mean no no rush of course um so we're going to get into some of those topics including um collaborative things with Miss money Penney which is you know we have the UAP cablegate thing which is a ashtan community inspired um hive mind thing there's also the whole project that we're collabor collaboratively working on uh which will be the the world's first um Symposium online for uh free or new or clean energy and that's been an exciting thing we're looking as a Target date for that um for the summer solstice um uh soon after contact in the desert whoever wants to meet up there um so anyway yeah it all ties into the same Mission um so uh you're all warmly welcome and it's an honor to be with you people thank you very much and uh I just us saw as well um Tony Merkel jump in the chat I just want to give a shout out to Tony Merkel as well the confessionals guys you should definitely be following him um he's the first person that had me on in order uh to do an in-person podcast and that really elevated the case to a much higher level he was also you know what easily the most respectful in-person podcast that I did um just a very insightful guy knows how to ask really good questions to people um make sure you guys are following him following the confessionals uh couldn't be more appreciative of all the podcasters but especially Tony Merkel um and I think that's probably we'll close it out here tonight guys we went for two hours I really appreciate it this won't be the last time you'll hear from me we are going to possibly have one more evidence review space where we review all the evidence one last time before the end you guys can ask more questions that at that point but I just want to say thank you all for being here thank you all for following and I can't wait to see what we are able to do together so have a great night everybody and we'll be in touch soon okay guys uh yeah so let's do a quick um quick round table on it you know we've got people in the chat who you know they are uh you know Skeptics I'll be nice and say they're Skeptics right and that's fine right I think that it's okay for people to be skeptical of the situation um now what I will say regarding some of the claims I saw there there's a lot of going back and forth and this and that um so let's just address some of the stuff that's out there is no I'm not lying to anybody no I'm not scamming anybody no I don't I don't uh ban people that disagree in fact that's the opposite that's what you guys did to me that's why I'm banned from the only subreddit about the case that's why I'm banned from the Discord and got banned from you guys Discord within like 10 minutes because I refus to believe your opinions you didn't want to argue at all right uh when you Gaslight like that that just takes away from your position right when you uh when you lie about my my position that that's trolling when you claim stuff like oh I'm just concerned about you that's what concern trolling is don't do that kind of stuff I think that a lot of the reditor brain people don't even realize that they're trolls half the time um you know I I'm not sitting here trying to convince you you know you're the ones trying to convince us so also again hold yourselves to your own standards what I will say is that there are some people I'm going to take this off for a second that say oh well exif data can be easily faked right cuz if the Philip would pictures real then potentially the videos are real it means it definitely didn't crash in the South Indian Ocean and then those same people will say well you saw some pictures that have no proof that they're from 2012 but you saw exf data so that proves it that's you being hypocritical I'm not the one hypocritical in that scenario that's you you might say oh well those pictures match exactly your videos so that means that the pictures must be in the videos and I say well we found a picture that exactly not we but somebody else found a picture of Mount Fuji that's a perfect match from altitude and time of day and and Shadows of the picture of the Jonas picture the one that doesn't reverse image search back to the website you want to explain that do you also want to explain why there's a modified date on all the pictures in question of December 4th the same day that a Six-Day old Reddit account claims to have found the pictures in a completely implausible reason how about uh if we're going to deal with the people on Reddit as well the fact that the people on Reddit are yelling at people that are supporting of the videos due to their account age but when there's a debunker that comes out that's a one-day old account or Six-Day old account that has a completely implausible story then they immediately flip the script and go well it doesn't matter how old their account is anymore right so what I'm again asking is that you hold yourself to your own standards and what you'll find out is that if you try to hold yourself to your own standards and not be a hypocrite it's not me that runs out of evidence it's you guys so I think that that addresses all of the claims that I saw in the chat keep in mind I still have 14 pages of evidence and nobody's been able to explain what Edward C went to prison for for 6 years which is wildly disproportionate compared to people that simply leaked or told Secrets wildly disproportionate right we've got the window of opportunity down to one month around when the plane went missing Edward cinn if these videos are real is 100% the guy right there's no ambiguity about it he was the exact right position he was in a spy plane he could have been there that exact night he would have had access to both videos he was deployed February 2014 and then the case against him began April 2nd 2014 the window is literally the time of the videos coming out right and it coincides with both when Regis side an non claims to receive the videos as well as how long it would have potentially taken them to catch him knowing that he took a citric session and that the citric session would have been recorded and he would have been caught right I've proven with plenty of evidence reasonable doubt that Edward sein was the guy because they're real videos I've always had the same standard if you want the case to go away all you have to do is find the hoaxer if you find the hoaxer bring the source files it would all go away there's if you guys are VFX experts you know there's no chance they wouldn't still have these video the the content that they use to create these videos you don't make the end product in one go right it's a painstaking process if you're a VFX expert you would know that right so where are they why didn't they come forward for $150,000 and probably internet Fame for the rest of their life in any job at any Studio that they want right you didn't find them because they don't exist I found Edward C Linn because he's the guy right hold yourselves to your own standards hold yourselves to your own standards okay um anything else we've got in the questions in the chats and yeah I guess the other part too is the scientists are on my side not your side I'm the one literally talking to DOD engineers and scientists and Engineers that work for the Navy as well as theoretical physicists that support the ideas as well you guys have what Neil degrass Tyson did he go on the record somewhere please let me know I also have Marvel Studios VFX expert Jeffrey Ford who worked on uh what is it uh endgame Civil War and uh uh Spider-Man no way home who says it would take four to six months to build a storyboard and and research the evidence research everything and figure it out out so you tell me what your VFX expert credentials are compared to Marvel VFX expert Jeffrey Ford or the supposed top gun Maverick VFX lead VFX lead who says that just trying to get the plane to be accurate to the scale and it moving is something they couldn't even pull off in a top gun Maverick which was a 2022 movie okay so guys keep in mind I think that there's a lot of people out there that from the skeptic Camp they don't realize how strong the weight of the evidence is it's extremely strong and you're just delusional because you think that your side all you have to do is try to poke some hole in it but that's not how it works right that's what if you go and look at one of my recent tweets is that you need to tell us what the story is why would reges sideon non put on the videos received March 12th 2014 are is he lying come up with the story the story basically begins with reeside andan for some reason being in on the hoax or being the hoaxer that's how your story needs to begin so develop a comprehensive story and I'll be happy to listen to you and argue with you about it but if you're going to play picky choose and not hold yourself to your same standards don't be surprised when no one's going to listen to you right you're the one trying to convince us we don't care about what you think you think the videos are fake go move on and do something else it you are you are exposing that you don't believe in your own opinions because you're not just moving on with the issue so I think that's enough in terms of addressing the debunkers in the chat oh one more thing that I like as well well um the idea of modifying the VFX is completely absurd I think that people that think that someone modified the Pyromania VFX to get it to match our videos is frankly stupid uh not even the Starship Troopers modified it because when you do VFX you just put the VFX into your thing that's the whole point of using stock uh assets right so in no way shape or form has the uh drone video been debunked and we can tell pretty quickly because we can tell these two things are not the same you would not modify something and change all this around to get it to match that's completely speculative and illogical especially because you can't compare them side by side to do that like the corridor crew did or like uh mcwest did and the debunkers you cheated you need to admit that you cheated on this because if you can't at least be honest and and admit that these don't match then how can we take anything you say seriously if you're willing to falsify fake debunks like this then you've completely destroyed your credibility because I can literally just compare it over the top and I can realize that this visual effect is not in our videos conclusively not in our videos right and if you don't if if you are not even on the realm of reality where you can admit that you were wrong about this then nothing you say can be taken seriously because you're not coming at it from a position of good faith I can admit that the one frame is similar but not a match then you should admit there's no chance this VFX is in here this is not in our videos guys okay so I think that's about it right guys um anyway guys thank you very much I appreciate it that was a good uh space that we did tonight and I'm going to go ahead and uh end out get some rest I don't think that I'm going to do uh a follow-up stream tonight because I think we did enough here tonight and this was good and uh tomorrow we'll jump back with the science so I found more papers I'm going to dig up through all these papers tonight I'm going to watch uh more of the podcast get these things edited so I can get them pushed out there and uh yeah thank you guys very much have a great evening appreciate you guys and we'll be in touch uh tomorrow with some more science peace everybody oh also one real quick last thing is that uh check out the Jake space tomorrow so we're going to trigger more people we're going to do more spaces with Jake uh Chanley which uh always triggers people but I think it's going to be an awesome space I have a list of questions and stuff to talk about related to Advanced Technology and uh how the government is keeping it hidden from us so should be awesome guys take it easy peace everyone