MH370x - Danny/Julian/Ashton Twitter Space

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# MH370x - Danny/Julian/Ashton Twitter Space Twitter who doesn't remember that doesn't recall that uh and then in that moment like R you could take it over like things got a lot more complicated it was a little bit more yeah and I want to reiterate too that's when we really started looking at it and that's when we realized like this has been going on for years and deeper thought happen him in 2020 and we had a space where he was kind of telling us and we had never really heard the details of his experience and it was like Cookie Cutter bar for bar the exact same thing like probably Tia could say that Ashton could say has happened to them that they've experienced just ation of like the most horrible things they've accused Tupa of being a pedophile with his own child they've accused Ashton and and others they do a tactic where they just look up somebody with the same name and then attribute that crime to the person and one thing I want to reiterate for the room is like these tactics and they they get away with coaching it in drama or like you know what I mean but these tactics go back to the 40s you know this is how they've discredited people since the beginning of the cover up about any other thing not even related to UFOs like this is just what they do and now it's just online and the person who does it is named milk fart you know what I mean but it's the same kind of tactics going on um yeah and so and like that's why I kind of wanted to reach out to you guys both too just in the event that let's say you were getting influenced right like people like go in on it and they don't even realize it you know what I mean and that's kind of why I did that thing sorry julan I'm not trying to like bust you down or anything but I saw a lot of people that I respected like retweeting your thing who I know probably like who I've never seen retweet you before you know what I mean and for Ashton's credit like he had done like what like 20 or so podcasts ahead of that one that didn't really have any issues so when I'm seeing like everyone kind of just go in on this and even Tupa said right when you're were watching the L reviews of it it was just like a total flashback to L reviews kind of going in on uh your takedown right dupa yeah that's the strange thing I think uh one of the benefits uh that some of these Trends Setters and influencers have uh early footing in UFO Twitter um is that they can like they can really execute some of these like things like very very well very very effectively and it makes you think that it's like a monoculture right that it's part of the culture and you think like oh okay so we all we all hate this person okay all right whatever let's make a meme oh someone did make a meme okay cool moving on moving on and then that's what like that just and what I want to add to you real go ahead real quick is what's helped us right is we kind of already had um established reputations in euphology right and that's probably what helped John Green W and even L reviews but Ashton is kind of like a total Outsider so he doesn't really have many people who's like can be like oh yo I've known Ashton and this isn't really like true about him you know what I mean he's like it's very easy for people who are like outside like that kind of like Moran learner right he didn't really have a a built-up reputation so I feel like they were really able to paint certain narratives about people in that sense so that's why I do feel like an extra sense of urgency to kind of combat this stuff that I'm seeing I know the fake gofund was fake I know the fake rape accusations are totally fake you know and people won't take the time to like look into that right if like it's a monoculture spreading it so that's just kind of where I'm coming from um it's also presented swep up yeah it's presented in a way that like if you speak out about certain people you're now speaking out against disclosure you're now anti go these guys and it's a very strong thing to point it's a strong finger to point at anyone that you want to kind of silence or or get out of the mix and you just see it happen over and over and over again then it becomes this thing and it's the same exact style of stuff it's like hazing lies um accusations and it just kind of repeats until that person's gone and there's a gang of people that are just gone from a single person and you watch like well how could that happen how is that happening like what's the process here like and you look oh there's a support group and you interact with it and you see like oh okay well you call somebody out all of a sudden like you get swarmed by like you know the next tier they come in and they go no this guy's great this guy's actually really cool why are you guys why are you guys talking about this guy are you are you guys harassing him very strange Behavior Uh very reminiscent and an easy way to kind of quantify is they're they're acting just like scientologists I I still think that we're gonna find oh no oh no oops like Scientologist I I still think that we're gonna find out that all these people are scientologists but I've never I've never seen regardless if they are I mean I have no idea but I removed my speakership the behavior so suspicious if you've ever seen any documentary on Scientology you ever seen a video of something called um fair game where someone is basically swarmed and harassed at an airport swarmed at their house all by people and all and this is you now what gone online now it goes into their yel to their Facebook I mean the amount of people who been after interacting with these people I've never seen anything like I can't suggest I've never seen anything like it like it just goes on and on like okay starts talking about like every single person in my family their criminal record every single person I'm I mean like dude okay so photos of his brother's house to his brother yeah that was that's a strange thing wen't you like dead like your mom post that you were dead or something do their own thing oh so um we're talking about you know every single thing like you could think of and again this is the only the only people I've ever heard report this type of treatment so if you want to catch up they' been asking them whether or not they've been getting inadvertently used try to bring I'm not claiming that they are I'm just saying can't wait toar answ if you've ever seen any documentary about this if you if you know who Leah Rini is if you know who any of this stuff is David miskovich like if you've ever seen any kind of documentary on this Behavior this cult-like these these harassment tactics fair game policy put on people if it's not them it's a it's a play right out of the got just destroyed language is identical but I warned him ahead of time that you shouldn't put any exp whatever knowingly accuse somebody of rap online knowing for that and you look I didn't say anything about it stuff only people think yeah and they pay for websites too for people right so that's like a monthly fee that these people and they they've made websites for multiple people buy my stolen hard drives did they do that that's what they're saying they are yeah so I guess we should maybe open it up now TBA to to the guest right but uh that's a lot of like I just wanted to make sure you guys know kind of like before anyone gets up and I'm not even saying you did maybe you did actually see some behaviors from Ashton that you thought like be called out or something I think honestly I've I've seen Ashton interact with people I saw his interviews with Julian and Danny I I've seen him present his ideas Ashton you're in the room I've seen you do it you know the the passion is there the you know what I mean like the the research is there the personalness or personal ask like some basic questions muchar this weird space I can see people disagree the way that you react to people being considered very combative and not helping with their impression of you whatsoever um so there's goes way getting hit from all sides can make people we've seen how it makes people bitter look at L reviews that's another thing you've done a good job not super bitter that's a that's a great Point like they things in a vacuum they can never be connected they can you can never be retaliating against three or four months of harassment where you're you know and threats and all this you can never that can never be in context for how you react which is another push push push push you know you push somebody over or whatever now you have a thing you can say now you have a huge you know cross and nothing they 14,000 views can ever matter to it right it's like it's it's bananas to do it in public in recorded spaces in my opinion can let I want hear jul speak strange things I've ever encounter you know the straightup Clint denial I've never did that then you played the Clint they definitely overestimated the situation it's nothing them it's more of a game than reality and playing with researchers in that way I think is very interesting to come into a community the reaction he sensitive a lot of the people in this community are reaching out looking around for but sh came across so many people who were looking into this who've had an experience of them of their of their own and now they're in a community with a bunch of people pretending to care a bunch of people pretending to uh to look into it as well and really what they're doing is engaging in strange narrative control is what it looks like to the degree where clip real quick too I'll play it after your thing and then we could get finish up to but my bad that was perfect timing I have one thing to say also which is just to let people know that I posted in the net uh basically it's a guide that it is supposedly a leak document unknown Providence but pretty useful either way that just kind of goes over some of the tactics that people will use to just a lot of time good out the most was he oan who just like I guess a little bit defended Tupa and then got a fake only fans made of her and like the police called in her and all these crazy [ __ ] and honestly it makes me like yeah the de thing from cor cre could not have gone better like I need clips from that I got to post clips from that thank you for that Megan and that's important and that's what they want right they want people to be intimidated to not even because you're right doesn't have a channel doesn't do anything she just didn't go along with tu's cancellation and for like a year now they've been throwing like all this different crazy stuff at her and real quick before we go in who kind of one of them talking about specifically how they need to get rid of Ashton from these videos I just can't wait I jul respon yeah straight up he's he's going and now he's getting publicity so I don't know if the followers are fake but he's getting publicity he's going on some pretty decent podcasts who are not doing their homework so I think if there's one thing that we can do as a community is make it be known that Ashton does not jul topic oh TJ's on here and if it's real the whole [ __ ] video is [ __ ] like we can't we'll never be able to get to the bottom of it because of him so we have to separate Ashton from that video this was this my this space they got recorded on probably did more damage to us disinformation complex than any other space ever in history World getting them all admitting This and like I said Danny wild julan thank you guys being here I don't want you guys to feel like you're on trial or anything like that I just wanted you to know exactly be honest kind of deserve feel like they're it be pretty much just they to me I'm not going to be mean to them I think um like that little education I got from Tupa last night on like how deepest Twitter [ __ ] goes Illuminating and me and Julian Don't Know Jack [ __ ] about Twitter so like I guess some of these scumbags were in a room that Julian was in and maybe Julian you can explain but oh here we go yeah I don't know who any of these people are I barely use Twitter like that I think I've been in a space twice in my life I use Twitter for news I don't even tell my followers about my Twitter as far as like on other platforms I've never even advertised it's one social it's kind of like my own so the last couple days especially like Visa V Danny talking with Tupa and getting all the background on this that is this is a lot of damage control huh shocking to me I I don't even know what to think cuz I almost shouldn't have an opinion on the different parts of the communities within UFO Twitter because I'm not a part of it so I don't really have I don't really have any room to talk with that and I'll let you guys kind of handle that amongst yourselves that definitely doesn't need my voice in it then so I guess for me a question is just like um because I did like the interview and I actually thought the interview SP the whole last week to all these almost as it was like advertised probably in both cases his def twet about like 300,000 was there anything like going into it was it just his behavor or like had people been telling you like yo this guy's like piece of [ __ ] like du I'm just curious oh yeah this is a good question no and I mean we we have Ashton right here so this is this is the first time asht and I will have talked since two days after the interview he did text me the other night should I read Julian's text everybody Danny about something and I was on the phone with Danny when that was happening and we were kind of running through that but no I he doesn't want me to read this text I thought that there was going into it certainly a difficult case here I felt that Ashton had done a lot of very impressive research on it there's no doubt I was very about my opinions on the videos and I don't want to get into a whole rehashing of [ __ ] but I have done this for like four years now I've had a lot of people fly in from around the world to talk with me I have loved every guest I had um I don't know what happened but Ashton began defaming me publicly and privately in the days leading up to the episode brought to my attention other people who were listening to him in spaces I don't know if it was on other podcasts I don't know if I heard anything about that but I did hear some of the stuff he said in spaces I also he doesn't say anything about Dan Danny told me about that entire conversation when he got off the phone with him and I didn't like the claims there I did not appreciate the hotel claim that left me livid I'm sure Danny can back me up on that and how mad about the hotel he didn't pay for it man the very last thing I said to Ashton and I wish I had my producer Alex I'm now but he not on the very last thing I said to him before he's buing himself they left before Alexi took him to the to the hotel was if you have any problems at the hotel call me he never did that he never texted me and Ashton obviously you're listening to this but I don't I I would be very very suspicious of the idea that that was your plan to use this as a chit against me I did not after after you made that phone call on Saturday I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt and say okay he won't go say that publicly he never said a word to me about this this is ridiculous but then you did and and before that you were saying a bunch of other things as well you thought I canel the booking make look bad guys on I set him up never ever imag jul Dory thinking that I set him first episode came out on Thursday but I have you guys are so delusional man that incensed with any guest in my life set me up for a total by the way en podcast one one thing I would like to clear up right now that is he's never done to any other guest before is selective editing that podcast was edited by alessie alaman not by me it was not selected in any way we we put the entire thing out there on Tuesday night the podcast came out on Thursday on Tuesday night I did take back the intro and I said I'm going to do the intro now because I was pissed and so yes the intro was hindsight if that was too much I I will accept that but and that definely honestly the best I could is just jul not say anything the dude is he's just fully self-destructing ask the way you handle yourself on Twitter I was nice on the podcast when I gave that viice towards the end of the first episode anyone who questions anything was ni unsolicited advice for someone who wants to get to the truth you know I've sat with a lot of people who would say the same thing and I believe them a lot more than you completely disc think you have any ability to look at the idea that this case is in fact complicated and you don't have to be right about everything I would have given you a ton of credit if you were wrong about a few things here and there I could just recognize it I would if I just admit that I'm wrong of my guests by the way have all gotten chronic online redditor syndrome you chose not to go that route Andor system I chose violence guys I chose violence jul don't stop guys and this has been let keep talking just a complete annoyance and I you know what I think something you get what you ask for you it's a giant cover up the US was probably in some way involved with it and so the funny part is I'm with you on a lot of stuff here but if you're going to behave you are you're discit all the great evidence that you have uncovered in this thing because No One's Gonna [ __ ] listen to you and you're gonna be talking to yourself well thanks for that um response and I we'll get to ashon right now and yeah that's one of the things that jumped out to me too because like you guys both had a lot of like conspiracy people on right who I feel like probably some of the stuff they're saying is less evidence back than Ashton's kind of MH370 uh case he's building so that was just that stick out to me so for you I guess it comes down to the interactions regarding the hotel which I think would be good for the room to get both of your perspectives on that we could get ashen's take on that too because I know that is kind of one of the things that's like out there like did he did he did he steal a hotel or what put a kabash it sounds like a miscommunication with that but Ash please respond to this uh and yeah I mean you guys my video feed in the best way possible you know what I mean like thank you Julian for sharing all that man I appreciate it yeah thanks Julian for being here thanks Ashton for being here thanks Danny for being here it's obviously like bit of a spicy combo right so hopefully we can continue and get some good information from everyone oh yeah hey guys hey hey Julian Danny nice to see everybody out here and like to nice to see Tupa and red panda uh what allegation the oh the hotel I mean I don't even really care about paying for a hotel I've been trying to get just the word out right so I've spent thousands of dollars just uh on MH370 stuff uh on you know U baggage fees on hotels Ubers whatever I've never asked for anything back in that respect um the reason why I didn't reach out after I knew right away when that was my credit card that I was going to be the one paying of course I didn't cancel the reservation uh whatever I think that it's extremely hypocritical to think that I was I was setting somebody else up after the hit job interview that I got uh from honestly one of the worst podcasts I've ever been on there was no hit job in that but you know that's okay you have anything else you want to say well uh if I could um so what I would say is that you know I I clearly got put in like probably the crappiest hotel I have a feeling then uh when you when you brought on when you brought on uh you know like mitaku I have a feeling he didn't put him in the eono lodge I'm just guessing um and so when I saw that I was kind of replaying the interview over my my head and I and I realized that like this was clearly a situation where either you were you know had talked to some of the people related to these people who had been attacking me you per you reached out and told me that you talked to James Fox ahead of time and told told me that you know he believed that the videos were [ __ ] so I was replaying the whole in the whole situation through my head and I realized it was definitely a setup job that you've never treated any guests like this ever I was completely nice to you the whole time there was no reason to be mean to me at all even afterwards I was nice to you um and you know so from that perspective like I just figured that there's I don't care about the hotel I'm paying for the hotel anyway you know I just I didn't want to talk to you anymore from that respect so um I just thought it was funny because I told you that I was going to have to come out against the false claims that you made about the witnesses and stuff and you gave me permission in the text messages so you shouldn't have been surprised by my message that I came out you know and I mentioned that you talked to Jim diorio who you decided to put on speaker phone in front of me which who who's a literal spook and I'm literally revealing the largest conspiracy of all time so everything I said was just factual on you know and and so I honest largest conspiracy of all time Ashton do you hear how you say things do you hear the last thing I would say man is that you're probably the last person on the planet that should give anybody else advice or unsolicited advice especially about your interactions on social media um you know if you want to delete your video like that I'm just giving you free advice right now is it I I would delete the cringe video that you made about me like it doesn't make you look good I think in your mind you think it does but um I don't know man that's just my advice so I think that should settle that I was honest I didn't re I didn't cancel the reservation or anything like that I think that a good person in that situation would have if I was you I would have just apologized and said I'll give you the money for the hotel that would have made you look really good coming out and making a video and saying that I didn't pay for it that I like canceled the reservation like it just looks petty man that's all um real quick if I could Ashton you and I have always got alone right I never had a negative interaction with you but I have heard a lot uh from people I trust and know and have known for a long time who say like [ __ ] dude this guy's difficult you know what I mean and this you're I will say this your cander here you know and I mean this in all honesty I can see what people are talking about right and I just want to ask like also and you did I don't know how the I don't know how I heard about the hotel the first time but it might have been from a tweet from you and it sounded like it kind of was a big deal and it became like part of it so I can see how that kind of but it you know it was put forth and played upon by both parties and it became like a distracting point to the whole situation that was my that's my perspective and so I think both seems intentional to me right you see like I literally put it in a footnote and then of course instead of addressing all the other stuff I mentioned it's like oh yes I paid for the hotel and then when he found out he didn't really pay for it instead of retracting it right like you should have like somebody would you know made it all about that okay so but you're putting you're combining that with a lot of other factors right which it sounds and I want to ask this question um Julian did say that in the in the interview or the pre-interview that you guys had talked for a while before uh the show started and in that time you guys had you guys bumped heads what was the vibe at that time yeah remember do you do you remember what you said to me right before we went on camera and it's not going to come as you just said in the last one I want to know what bug so when Al when alessie picked you up from the airport Lessie is my producer everyone who was the other guy on camera for every people for everyone else out there when he picked you up from the airport as he told me he told you all about in the car how he was down in Brazil in 2021 making the moment of contact documentary with James Fox and how we're both friends with him we then discussed James Fox in our conversations leading up to the podcast you knew very well we were both clear friends and so in an effort to not be gotcha to be right there and upfront and honest with you right before we went on camera I said okay I am going to start off this podcast with a little monologue where I'm going to do two things I am going to rehash the very basics of the case to bring people up to speed so they can follow along list and then I'm going to give you my stance it's just my stance I'm being honest just as red panda was honest in the beginning of this space about his thoughts on the video red that's exactly what I did with Ashton I said I do think the videos are fake and I said I I did give my friend James Fox a call this morning and he did think the videos are fake and I'm gonna include that in the monologue and you looked away like a scorned little person and were like well James Fox is a [ __ ] idiot James obviously picked his team in this race and you know what it's a shame that he did that but we don't need him we're going to prove this all without him and he could say whatever he wants and it was so the tone of it was so dismissive and arrogant and off-putting even a l is probably the nicest kid I've ever met in my life was looking at you like do you have any self-awareness like you don't have to agree with James that was never the thought I had so much about what people think I disagree with James on things too go watch my podcast with him which obviously you had so much about what people think no idea you know my style or anything like that any guests I told you about you yeah I'm not trying to make friends guys I'm trying to unveil the biggest conspiracy of all time that did that's it right I'm just if you look at it and you remove the intro from that episode that we put on there which was from by far the most bling heads moment of the entire six hours we were together so I'm difficult because I told him trying to go get you help you trying to help me guys when you would dig your feet in say phrases like I found this person highly credible according to my investigation and then person like hey maybe you should think about this you could not admit that you were off in fact you couldn't even do it in the text messages after why is all 100% with these guys when you sent me an article that quite literally rephrased my argument as if I had written it thinking it was going to defend yourself and it's funny that was the last time you didn't really answer me again after I pointed that out like I I don't know what uh thanks Julian and not to like absolve like what ashon said right like if that's your friend right like if somebody's like [ __ ] that guy it's like yeah it's like a popularity contest for them your convos with James kind of helped forment your thoughts on the case he brings up James Fox ahead of time tells why would even me that already to be clear I already thought that they weren't real that was he was already he was already into he already knew that I was going to mention that with James again James is a highly credible guy in the Space Jam James Fox is a highly credible guy and I let a he does third party alien interviews in South Africa South America whatever let him just H let him keep going I don't even want toist since you started talking personal dud what has your experience been are you on edge for any reason do I mean when you when you called that out with Julian did you have reason to believe how do you have experience with this type of behavior where have you seen it before let us know why you know what I mean what's your take on this like it sounds like you're very defensive is if you come up against people who do work in this fashion uh you I know that you're you were on Reddit your subreddit got you know deleted I don't know if it was yours but the subreddit got got deleted uh what's why are you so on edge and if and if that's only if my read is correct here no I'm not on edge I hope I don't sound on edge honestly I don't care and I'm have nothing against these guys either you know even though I I definitely feel like it was a little bit uh you know both interviews felt like a setup for sure and and if anybody's got it person like taking it personally it's definitely not me um you know I actually remember the James Fox comment which is like why would you even bring that comment up why who cares what James Fox thinks like oh I'm best friends with James Fox and he thinks these videos are totally fake that's pretty much what he said so it's like and I I of course I'm dismissive of it because James Fox doesn't know [ __ ] he doesn't know anything about the case he was one of the first people to chime in and say it looked as fake as a $3 bill so like why would you Poison the Well like that right away you know's a credible name but is that really do you hear the arance as he's a credible name now why do you think he doesn't you guys care so much about popularity you know that's upsets you guys like I don't care about that and I I'm honest about that like let me just talk real quick like James Fox has been making these documentaries since he was like 30 years old 21 okay man goally the guys like the as a filmaker videographer I would have learned a lot if I was in james' shoes working on those pieces alone let alone what I probably would do on my own time so I think a lot of people in the community kind of impressed with what he's done he's not just a figure with the crazy haircut you follow believe it or not you know what I mean he does put the work out um and it's very respected right so I think a lot of people would find that troll from the other chat from Danny stream also do of reality today huh did help turns out that the world's not like who one of these other guys like false dmca a documentary that was made against Lou Alando so it's like he he he already has kind of had ties with this kind of Greater narrative control you know I mean so that's what when I heard that name I was kind of like that is an interesting name to hear so much you know what I mean and I'm not I'm not shocked I wish I was shocked you know but it's already come up in this whole kind of Greater narrative control takeown thing we've been seeing yeah they're talking like James movie or something like he's got so much credibility he guys he made a bunch of movies reaching out to James Fox like yo you someone who featured parts of your film here he's about to get canell for boom like you know can you you you should probably stri totally agree toate they get good people to do what they think are the right thing I care at all based on how it's framed you know I'm sure James hisf the AR like help help me walk me through like CU he's a smart guy right how could how could someone like that be like you know manipulated or like you know accidentally used in in such a way like I thought they wanted to ask me a question I I would need to find a little bit more to see that but I do believe here in this situation right like probably not a great jumping off point for for the interview right to say this guy doesn't believe you this is GNA be time you gotta you got that's going to cause a lot lot of arguments right I mean you got you you can see that just by but in the context the other way too though right I liked James Fox too before he on deed Jam Fox the videos without SE a negative vibe on the case or you know I mean was conect not anyone but like we're talking about like remote viewing we're talking about hav then I lost all also his weird video about him being a victim or whatever of like getting his career taken away was keep it all on the table to to look into I'm just saying like you know I'm just reading this kind of seeing seeing this for the first time uh real quick ashon feel free to reply but I do want to welcome TJ Allard to the space for those who don't know TJ he's the producer of uh secrets of Skinwalker Ranch welcome to the show man glad you're here thanks thanks this has been a an amazing like just listening to this this has been one of the troubled areas of this uh the whole UFO Twitter world I guess where these Cults of Personality follow you know just kind of crop up cult personality F I'm literally not in part of UFO Twitter guys weeks back do you hear his arrogance y'all so angry the fake explosion you know there's just a lot of fake footage and it's just objectively fake and I just watching this kind of take a life of its own on um TJ has got issues no evidence of anything still to this day the only evidence we have is there Skinwalker Ranch talking about what evidence we have we don't know anything else everything else is speculative and aston's admitted that like he doesn't know either no one knows right but it would just be nice to hear people say they don't know this is the this is the producer of Skinwalker Ranch producer of Skinwalker Ranch talking about evidence I look for these types of stor and talk to hundreds of people so cringe holy [ __ ] in this kind of Realm oh he talks to hundreds of people no evidence is just too many red flags right so I walked away from this early on um walked away from this we we didn't let him get involved because he tried to make it all about himself on a space this TJ guy is a freaking joke guys I still think this is an interesting story I I'm not sure what the story is anymore I feel like we're watching a he's making it all by himself right now dude I'm I'm going to tear this guy down in front of you be created right in front of her eyes where there's no evidence people are putting these thoughts together that there is and it's fascinating to me and this guy Ash's done incredible work man I mean like I have never seen this kind of so personal man to the point where you're like so personal my god dude like kudos to him and in the marketing campaign sorry I don't have the credibility of skin Ranch appear on everyone's timeline all of a sudden all at once when you say work are you only referring to the marketing or do you are you referring to some of the research um and like what what are you referring to I mean well there's both he still trying to make it all about himself the marketing part of have to listen to this guy whatever why is this guy on here that's beyond me um yeah the cult of personality hey guys go cult of personality and don't forget to watch Skinwalker Ranch anyone can pull information off the internet and put them together and make no I want to listen to this this is going to be fun the one thing the through line in this whole project these guys just keep hanging themselves Man evidence they think that like normal people think like they do right I still don't know what we're talking and so you're not counting the videos as possible evidence no no those are they're evidence of what of a plane flying all right we don't anything else past that is complete conjecture like it's completely this is coming from that guy who does SC Walker Ranch everybody correct correct TJ TJ I agree you're the voice of reason got Skinwalker Ranch everybody I'm just saying I I'll play this audio dat scientist here's dat scien thoughts on the on the videos is so funny dude this sh is cracking me up not along the way I think these guys like just live in a different world man into you in the Navy from what 95 to 2015 is what it say no this is just Straight Up Entertainment man cool thank you for your service and then so me and a bunch of other people guys I do Skinwalker Ranch I'm the I'm the voice of d incity everybody I'm curious about your take on one The Disappearance of the and he tried to take up the space for over an hour emerg of these videos that were posted in 2014 yeah so um I've been involved in search and rescue before he made it all about himself for an hour on one of my spaces and I told uh my buddy Melo demon though he's not allowed to do that anymore it's it's a scary skinwalker we lost someone in the Persian and one thing that was amazing was to see almost every Maritime force in the in the area of responsibility which waser Ranch he wants us to do a video like Skinwalker Ranch that'll bring a lot of credibility to the cas go to search and rescue so we're talking Iranian Navy IRG CN which is their their hokey Coast Guard that messes with us all the time qari and a boat was helping it was amazing they not say anything moving to um I I can never MH what was the the hell designation again mh70 I sorry 3 370 right so that that that whole thing is obviously it's a mystery okay and um the search and resue rescue efforts we're we're incredibly disappointing I think all of the Stu that our technology pardon me our surveillance capability should have been able to pinpoint that and give the family some Solace and I think that we also know that the United States government's reticence to share their technological abilities may have like some producer on Skinwalker Ranch or something of what you're next up the guy from finding bot and I'm open to hearing when we want talk research I I took a detour off of that because I wasn't able he said there's no evidence the data we were looking at was said there was no evidence our case has you looked at the pin no evidence so I kind of got off the more evidence than any court case of history of the world I looked at those videos and I analyzed them in in the manner that I'm able to the technology I have and I did find some very interesting things going on with temperature um I thought that if it was edited the CGI someone was very knowledgeable had read a lot of the DS I grill should I gr jul poror crew so I find it very confusing major Studios gonna make the videos oh yeah that cool so the reason I show that is because that's uh Chan K if anyone doesn't know he's kind of been he's definitely in the loot camp and I want to attribute like all the hate group stuff to him I don't I'm not saying us is definitely ability goes up second like right hand man right T you back me up on that yeah they're very close but that's a good segue earlier today when we were talking about this kind of the harassment the hate group this crazy amount of narrative control I did see TJ throwing up some hundreds and I kind of want to double back to that um because this MH370 you know I mean it's it's a highly debated topic right and I still don't see why though T I just don't get it I honestly honestly I don't get it why is he here then everyone toe on someone told me someone watched that video way was like oh I believe it I'd be like well great I don't I don't trust it's not this isn't this space isn't about him that's a crazy why is this guy here I'm gonna believe that I need a bunch of other evidence I need to see how kind of I need to read talk about cults of Personality like why you even on speaker d and honestly that's where I in this at all is that the weird happenings keep on coming when it comes down to this case the videos themselves I'm not a video analyst I'm not a forensic video analyst I've never seen a video from a drone or a satellite I don't know let these I play that clip to show that people trying to take down they think the video is real and like the L crew thinks it's real kale kahill's opinions on that I think are totally influenced by alzando and he didn't come out and say like oh that's fake as [ __ ] they can be real right these videos can be actual of AE this all over the place that part of it that's nonsense these context videos this is coming from the guy who talks about portals and Skinwalker Ranch match these clips and we don't have for we don't have this from the guy who they talk about portals in Skinwalker that are so accurate that it's like oh my God this guy thinks that we're looking at a VFX from 90s a design of back in the 90s is almost like something ex have you I want I want to put a pin on I would to get I would love to get some more experience done this for too long everybody drone knowledge and all anything but for now I do want to dou back done this for too long dude it's funny when you when you have a guy who's when you have a guy who's done this for three months trying to tell people who've done this so angry what isn't isn't real I just find that really understand the amaz I'm enjoying this so I want to say something real quick to reference to what we said before off the deep end man yeah I'm just going to let you guys hang yourselves um on the other side though I just want to mention that like I've been clear that I don't respect expertise and there's no such thing as I've been doing this for so long therefore what I say is true um the reality is that what you say is determined your credibility is determined by what you say the facts and evidence you present I've got 12 pages of evidence pinned to my profile which TJ you might want to take a look at which ad you didn't read the rebunk I feel like at least you should know the rebunk in and out if you're the evidence of though herebody tell me is they supporting about you bud it's not about you man and you produce a show called sker Ranch where you language you're using Ashton do you see I'm not here to make friends with people either and I'm not yeah Julian you care so much about what people think of you man just you got to get over that dude no no I don't you hear the arrogance in your voice you you are one of the most arrogant people I ever met in my life you are so [ __ ] smart man not dude that's the worst part about this you have a brain up there this is not like oh this guy's an idiot you are a very smart guy I've never seen AR I don't know what happened to your in life man but I'm sorry that happened to you because the arrogance that you speak to people with and the way that you dismiss people is so upsetting it's horrible it hurt my feelings it hurt my feelings get to some hands let's get to Darcy and then Randy they're so mad dude all right hey guys hello everyone out there on the Twitter space uh couple things so I just want to like say get so triggered I've spoken to Ashton directly on you know through DMs and uh I'm curious about this video too I have been since the start and I was working on building a chronological history of what's going on in terms of the story um but like Ashton this is not to slate you this is just straight up feedback when you come in to a UFO I didn't ask anyone's feedback and you say you don't want to be related to UFO people I still UF people example why I don't want to be asso UF people and these are UFO videos clearly you know 100% if it's just a straight up post UFO video or if it's a um you know what you're assuming is American Tech um but it's a bit of a bull in a china shop approach where you're going to get you're going to attract negative attention when you say that and these videos started as UFO vide in 201 too entertaining for me dude yeah this is Middle School cared about this it it had no American Tech attachment to it until this year um so that's one thing the other thing is Panda like I appreciate you but when you listen to Sean which you recorded uh you know massive cognitive dissonance it could seem a bit like confirmation bias because he says the videos confused him you know it doesn't mean that agrees that they're legit you you have to listen to everything he says Kean I want to listen to Somebody not I get that and he said that if they were CGI the person would have had knowledge of the dirs which I think is important like he's kind of saying if it was this I'm not arant which I think is and something else I wanted to say real quick for the they're mad because I don't agree with them right like the way this work if they don't agree if I don't agree with them then I must have a right like it's classic gas liting it's syndrome dro the caline photo yeah I dropped that evence with to much Aston and he's put in a lot of work is just kind of telling of something like he's very clearly been targeted by this group that targets people care targed by people um I just think that's worth noting it's just you arrogant intelligent really at the end of the day him in this case is no different or even Skinwalker Ranch in a Skinwalker Ranch I tell them to watch My Stream later know I mean no there's there's something very there's something patly different here and it's it's like skin walker Ranch why is he even here dude you know what I mean like I'm sorry why is Tj even on this panel dude here's the issue just so that he talks about might be a dick but his research is his research the numbers are there the research is there to look through to debate honest that's the one good thing about it these guys are just super as doesn't represent those facts his his you know they don't realize like normal people resonate with been disagreeable hard to get along with downright combative you know read a book about any genius read a book about anyone yeah I'm just saying Jack sarati is a really good example yeah it's classic cogni distance well not so much cognitive distance but projection a great example right well maybe that's I don't know as's done enough oh that was on Danny's podcast too right it was amazing it was amazing Ashton I think has done enough work that I can SN my teeth into the work itself and that's a good thing he's not saying I'm the only person who could ever know this say [ __ ] or not or research or not and that's the good thing but you know not a great salesman get along with I've seen it myself here and that's not we got 300 people listening right now you D that's just the facts right you know that like straight up calling some you know these figures am I co-host even if you think they're nothing like you know say it and I'll add to what Darcy said though too right so angry like I feel like Ashton came on the scene and was trying to get help from people like was trying to get help from Greenwald about Foya and he kind of just got like [ __ ] on so he's kind of got this like [ __ ] you all this is an interesting I don't think about is that there's a mixture of people responding naturally to Ashton behind kind of like they should have jumped on it man they wanted the case they should have Jive or whatever right so B bam but also we have recording we have a recording of these guys saying they want to take the narrative away these guys happen to also be behind or next to terti this uh year of hate this amount of like this directed targeted harass talking where do you have evidence of that that like the same people that targeted you and I'm not discounting what happened to you I'm happy to happy to answer we I wanted to get back to this thing TJ had his hand up and TJ was emoting right with hundreds early when this was being talked about I want to know from his hear from TJ man why of the show like you're looking down on UFO Twitter almost as an alien as well right like we're all just researchers we're all just kind of like it's just haters dude copium and haters I honestly just love it it's just so funny dude people want to believe so bad looking for something from TJ Allard of Skinwalker tup you were in the first the first time got mad met you were there right and I think he muted me in the space and ashon you're like I think someone just said or Julian was just saying you're a smart dude man like I muted him the space guys after he wouldn't stop talking for like 4 minutes we got to get to a Top Line 45 minutes great story here and I didn't know what I was getting into or just looking into and I really wanted to help and I still think that there was a story there and I was like former mainstream media everybody I don't I don't just connect with people randomly should we just let TJ cook here I couldn't do that doing it all day this guy can't help but make everything about himself all he has to do is sit and listen that's all he has to do right and all he does is make it about himself nonstop why is this about this guy and tell people who have been doing video and television and Tech their whole lives don't they're talking about that's just that's just disrespectful to people and if you want you know you're not going to push your narrative across because you need help getting any I'm not going to say anything you have to work as a team you die as an island in this business in particular um I will never work with TJ Allard I guarantee you that I talked to the guy who I'm actually working with and we both agreed this guy's a phony and we're never working with this guy much I can't stand people that try to make everything about themselves these are exact kind of producers that you never work with right he gets so emotionally invested question someone he works at skiner Ranch even now you're making show respect okay great you know you can have your opinion one you know one of the biggest shows on television but you can have whatever one of the biggest shows on television guys I wasn't attacking you personally it's one of the biggest shows on television but you want to downplay my work great but this isn't your work right your work has been awesome this guy just tried to downplay my work you started looking into something now he's mad that I'm downplaying his work dude this is your words right you said you started so angry dude not my words yours he's just making up fake quotes for me now like you don't want help you want these are your words you can be right all alone you're right you're right TJ we don't want your help I don't know why you're on the panel and we don't want your help let me be clear TJ if you're listening of hatred and people angry and you said the wrong things like okay this is too much for me um and I don't know I love you this summer of hate or these milart or l i I don't know any of that drama I want to hear from shy Keenan so I don't know the context when you guys she might not even come out that favor me because I was you were you were getting negative attention for going against the narrative that these are real you're saying that you were getting dm' and so it's like how is it now they're the victims somebody who goes against the narrative is getting you know what I mean Tupa like I don't know I don't know any of that like I didn't realize this was a thing like I didn't realize how big this quote unquote thing was I was like oh this is a cool story it just appeared on my timeline this how did this get under my radar because I usually you knowed by somebody some kind of cool appreciate it appreciate coming out checking it out to explore to look into about you know take down that development Road a VFX professional Oh you mean the corridor crew I just got attacked I'm like okay you this is only crew hey everyone else knows the person who I dismantled every fake argument just read Walker ran and and I you know I love thank you Randy DJ yeah uh TJ done talking I hear what you're saying um you have this guy loves to make everything about himself that's hard to follow this space has nothing to do with this guy somehow he's turning himself into a victim guys I didn't look at any of the evidence and I get attacked is a continuation you obviously he should be the real victim again uh fall back on the research that's where I see the value of interactions with with Ashen for most people I've had Pleasant interaction I love how all these people it's all about their personal emotions and feelings right it's not about EV just about their feelings and how they've been hurt come out ofwhere TJ said you know this is like legit entertainment right now we have count is better than the OC and any other Housewives of whatever going on regardless of what people want to say that's why I'm listening to this right now I know Absol absolutely yeah they haven't even brought the evidence they haven't brought up we haven't even talked about the podcast yet today uh the skin walker Ranch guy is upset about this and undertone disrespected disrespecting the UFO perspec we're in the mix I'm disrespecting the UFO TV show want like you talked about that people want to believe right in the M Nar want to people want to believe from the guy who makes Skinwalker Ranch everybody and I don't know if you can't make this stuff up you know I don't know if I'd be the first person to bring this up but there have there there is has been a combative nature with UFO Twitter take look at how skwalker Ranch is doing here 6.4 on IMD 60% of Rotten Tomatoes 1.5 one out of five on Common Sense Media it comes up in Center figures of of this community itself and that's in the mix so I'm not sure like if you've noticed it this is what we want to Tire our case to the level listen I just want some evidence here man if we could get some evidence I just want some evidence says from this skin walker Ranch guy man as right now it's this there a whole bunch of stuff like none of TJ do you get me though when I say that like where was this energy when Corbell was dropping his videos this year you know what I mean or when media I don't know I'm not like recognize something about this this case and this become all about tjing how did I predict that theast years sense am I two cents I don't I didn't know maybe this did happen about Corbell stuff because that is that's very it's different right I don't see him attacking he's a professional he's not someone who started doing this in August something else his whole life like he's an industry professional understand guys I've been working in healthare it for 18 years and he does a really great job at that nothing but Stell from everybody I worked with scene like he had no media training ashon doesn't know how to communicate with people in the way that would be required to push this remember when TJ minute ago was talking about how it about how he didn't ever attack me told you person attacked I don't think it has anything to do with media training it has to do with human being training I don't think I've ever had a person on my podcast or like like talk to or been involved with upset man are who Danny just burn Bridges the way he does especially like so the way one of the main reasons I wanted to get into this space was to like basically number one put this whole thing behind us I think I can speak for Julian when I say that I think me and him are both very over like all of this UFO Twitter [ __ ] and you know all of the drama that's involved with Ashton and the hate group and all that like all that sucks I don't really have time for it or want to pay attention to it I've never complained about when I saw post saying that like it's a sop like could this be a scop pay attention to who they what they say and why they're saying it this is not guys and app whatever means do you think me and Julian were somehow like tipped off about Ashton and that's why we sort of attacked him where the ra on this show Julian I talked to Julian the day he did the podcast with Ashton I kind of got the vibe of what happened and then I talked to Ashton maybe the next day or two days later when Ashton told me about the hotel debacle which I was like that's very weird like why wouldn't you say something to Julian I've had I've flown in probably 75 guests into Florida from all around the country we're still talking about the hotel thing thought we we addressed that and I've had that happen to me at least a dozen times about theice will not charge my card they have on file and they will accidentally depending on who the clerk is at working the desk that day they'll Char the guest a big clown every single Julian and Danny are best friends by the way Char open they're best call the hotel and have them switch the card so that was that's why Danny was defending you guys should have seen the live chat ripping Danny for defending Julian Twitter and his own podcast it's just like I've never interacted with with yeah why I need a Twitter troll in a human form and like even when ashon was in there in person we got along great like it was a good podcast we disagreed on some stuff we agreed on some stuff these guys are like they have zero self-awareness your question they have no self-awareness whatsoever no there was I talked to Julian the day he did the podcast like this with trolls his first reaction is fake this is bfx and that's kind of like guys it's always how treated Julian and then talking to Nico how I treated jul I kind of like yeah it's always like this if you don't believe what they say this is the same as the people on Reddit exactly he just admitted he wanted to prove it wrong sort of like you know it's always like this with these with redditors right if you don't believe what they say then like you have some problem right you tical whatever it's always the same no one was pushing back on anything so I thought that it would be a good opportunity to present present him with some evidence that Nico put together who has been doing visual effects for 10 years Nico and and that's that no we weren't James read their comments their this if that's your question they should read their comments from their own uh from their own videos honestly well yeah thanks for clearing that be also also to also to be clear um visual effects Emily yeah like a part of this whole [Music] debacle I can't hear what he's saying uh Danny you're cutting in and out is that happening to anybody else or just me yeah it's happen yeah sorry Danny uh you're fading it out you might need to make sure we make sure we uh clip these guys on some of the stuff that they're saying it's hilarious let me ask TJ real quick they sound likeed crying about being harass the whole video fake or like just the orb like they ban me and then they cry about me harassing them and ban me some more how I treated jul exposion that just kind of looks yeah exactly they just want me to bow down to them that's exactly what they want right it's the same as Reddit mod syndrome right that they want you to bow down to them they want you to kiss the ring or whatever weird [ __ ] that's interesting orbs floating around is this keemstar airplane that's super interesting um maybe that's real that could be legit was weird keemstar was in here looks like you know a 9s GES another it just becomes insane um and I just don't know how people have like kind of believed in that which is just crazy and I know that just so we're should I be rude to TJ because I'm kind of tired of listening to this guy is like streaming this out on on YouTube and as we're talking he's talking over us to kind of just like mock us as we're talking so just put it out there he's listening I love it TJ why are you on the space TJ podcast at one point or whatever it was one of you guys where he was like typing while you're talking guys I'm tying while talking of course I'm streaming this it's hilarious man this is the funniest [ __ ] I've ever seen well I'll just say real quick maybe TJ will leave finally still got these guys here literally making it all about himself I love it dude UF one characters right that's kind of been they love you like involved in some of these take uh James Fox about Julian Dory I just found kind of random another Darcy we who's been in here and talked and I enjoy his conversation but sometimes I and he had said that like uh he had warned Julian about like how Julian and Danny should read the comments into their own videos these guys are just digging arm or something like that would come for him or something like that those syndrome where they don't realize the reason why I have a bunch of followers real I res with real people not with children and redditors who get hurt about saying it's from your experiences and if that's valid that's valid that's what you guys experienced I just wanted to clear the air on some of those things is I am I still breaking up can you yeah I mean Julian's completely full [ __ ] this guy's lied like five times about major stuff like I've had a lot about the hotel Li about the corridor crew a little bit more or and I like this thing with Ashton was a little bit personal for me because of the thing that what went down um I won't deny that it's obviously personal for these guys yes we knew it was personal that's why your chats are that's why your comments are ripping you apart man a comment about never personal I don't think those videos are obviously fake at all if you're a podc think that those look very real just as real as any of those dood videos the go fast or the gimbal I think I think this is right on par with all those videos not the videos themselves being fake that what I'm saying the vide real videos of why is he still here the explosions and these orbs that's what I'm that's that's what right F the the orbs the or the orbs and the explosions to me are not obviously fake I think I think those look just as legitimate as any of those videos that the Pentagon has released just to be clear I agree that's very nice of you Danny I want to hear from either shy Keenan or keemstar who I've see joined how welcome keemstar this we got drama Central going on here I hope you enjoy as I heard there but I I don't really know what the what the drama is can I get a quick what the [ __ ] is keemstar doing here he should be like commenting on tfue like no no he's setting up our UFO Twitter boxing matches it's UFO it's UFOs today no if there's any UFO stuff I I'm definitely right there but uh yeah I I don't know the current drama though can someone give me a quick recap oh let me do it I want to do it a you're no we can't do this oh you can't let me do it okay you do it you I'm too biased I'm too biased okay T you do it I I let you do it MH370 is an airplane uh supposed TJ expert dude guys he's been in TV for years iow down to after a couple months after the video went down or the plane went down this just gets better and better so Ashton's been going a lot of this might be their favorite and explaining the case from his perspective and his research um from the Reddit uh subreddit getting canceled and whatnot he's experienced a lot of push back but also forth with it anyway and getting a ton a ton more exposure he he was recently on Danny and Julian's podcast and he was very combative there was they have words during it I was com as bad like when you watch it it's like okay this is just they're just going back and forth but a lot of stuff happened after on Twitter wait wait real quick um are you talking about the disappearing video yes okay well that that was debunked it was a very old um it was debunked guys spoking facts program I seen a whole video on it there's a m there's multiple claims about different uh sources for that right from old video game to in the ni did aent one the '90s video game team Stars waiting guys he saw the mcwest video he doesn't even know where he saw right so he didn't use the video game thing so there's so far two different that's my favorite I think that's what I took away from it so I don't think that that's necessarily debunked but no matter what the video's actually Aston stopped thinking differently they don't like that that's really what this all boils down to to believe that right away would be crazy right there's no doubt but the research that Ashton put forward keemstar are you familiar with any of that research uh I seen a video on it um and where it was like debunked according to the creator of the video I didn't realize it was still being debated I thought it was a done case yeah you got fooled by a guy named Mick West so like his old job is to put fake debunks out there and the guy that made the video there the person has not come forward in fact that's the only way to debunk the videos now is that we need the person who theoretically made these Perfect videos according to the corridor crew to come out and and show us so that we can see their Source material and prove it because every debunk has been destroyed to date uh even just the podcast that Danny Jones just put out there you know at the end I think he was trying to trap me and Julian had uh you know had a claim that this major studio is going to reproduce the videos which never of course happened instead uh this guy from Nico from the corridor crew just uh repeated a bunch of metabunk uh stuff that I already had heard everything beforehand right so I had already had everything prepared to refute every single claim and uh you can check that out at the end of it so they are definitely still open to um you know being looked at evidence and despite what TJ uh falsely claimed if you just read read my profile TW tweeted my profile it's one of the longest Tweets in Twitter history has all the evidence listed out Broken Out by category for anyone to just kind of absorb in fact Anonymous today evence of what Aston evidence of what as so Anonymous today uh tweeted actually made a video about it infow Wars made a video about it um yesterday and today Anonymous with their 3.2 million followers made a video so it's definitely heating up and I'm not sure why so many people are so personally upset and invested in all of this but I just find it really entertaining I don't have much knowledge on this I know little bits just like any normal person that spends a lot of time on the internet but did didn't they find pieces of the plane like wash up on shore a couple years ago or is that that's in my that's in my uh list as well so debunking the debris no official search found by the debris above or below water the debris that you're talking about was found by random people they searched with 42 planes and 32 ships didn't find a single piece the evidence that they found actually had fire burn marks on a couple of those pieces of debris uh um that some of the debris that they found with burn marks actually had a honeycomb pattern of Boeing uh there was a b77 fire suppression device washed up in the Maldives was never looked into even though we've presented a fire scenario the flapper on that you hear the media say that they match to a unique serial number actually wasn't match to Unique serial number the unique serial plate was missing and that there was a if equivalent copy of the plane purchased by GA tesis in October of 2013 that is potentially connected to US government where that breed could have come from that plane so there's a lot of stuff out there that really cast doubt as to whether or not they really found any significant portions of this plane this is awesome but that's not evidence according to TJ this is great I'd love to just see one piece of evidence about teleportation that's yeah you should listen to my Bob Greener or salvator PAs interviews and then you can learn listen to anything SAR email chain you might you might hear a lot of I don't know I'm just saying get some of these hands out some people a lot of people are trying to get up here and speak I know Randy had his hand up for a long time let's do Randy screen shy Jules and thanks for being here totally I miss you all guys you know I just want to say you know certain parts of planes they're taking out uh fixed and then resourced back into another plane actually some plane Parts what happened to it is we have an ability then put back in the other planes and then had actually some paranormal actions in those uh so you know so we we shouldn't always just go extreme think it's always conspiracy and you know my son always says God you guys are always conspirac I said no son but I think I do have all the receipts a little bit in the middle I mean we're just enjoy really crazy but you know this was the most extreme search ever should look somewhere in the middle guys world history look somewhere in the middle it's like that's pretty crazy why would they do such an extreme yeah TJ anyway I miss you guys thanks for letting me get a chance to speak love you guys I'm not everybody Al you guys are all course but that's not what I'm here for I love everybody nobody's looked at the evidence and they all just know it's yeah man I tried to I try to stay neutral in all this right um most of the time I agree with y'all right and uh most will consider me in your camp and uh I think think tank him wanted to separate Ashton from the video is this this guy because when it was bubbling he's the one riding that wave you know he's getting a lot of attention that they're not um you know um personally I think it's a conspiracy that it's getting so much attention right so like just like y'all think it's a conspiracy that way I think it's the other way like I can't believe this video is getting lit but we're it gets it gets tough because it's like we're always battling perspective I say this all the time um but at the same time like uh you know I've had issues with Ashton too and just being cool after he comes at you at that point you're like okay well [ __ ] this guy you know so then you go at him and that's you know it's just like a never ending thing it it seems like but when I look at that video I see Spar and all the other Spar stuff uh you know the Spheres don't move like that right that's number one for me the fact that they're saying kind of like a video game kind of not that's a video game from the 9s that it almost looks like so it's like everything for evidence submitted for evidence you can you can put some on each side of the fence so it's really irrelevant and it's just like when they talk about the science and those things they talk around a lot of it and that's the issue because people don't really know how this stuff works so then they can like get tricked or be open to all these other wild ideas and stuff like that you know um get into like if the video is real get into the spears what you know where are those at what are they doing all that type of stuff but I've never seen them linked to portals um just kind of doing like relay cloaking type stuff but uh yeah you know I try to stay neutral about it and uh I can't this guy's just super loud tired hear out he's just super loud guys yeah you know what you posted something like a what five days ago the video of uh what happened in Spain a year before MH370 disappeared and it shows the exact same phenomenon right the three spheres orbiting the plane the triangle formulation 100% it was help that exact same phenomenon is the mic isn't better now there's a lot I didn't do anything but some people just quieter than others and these spheres I've seen yeah Aaron I don't know why it's so entertaining man the UFO drama is just so damn entertaining I definitely have seen it like that um yeah he tries to stay neutral he's literally talking crap all he was trolling alien scientist chat with nonstop like one message a second right the experience I think the reason why we highlight this you know what I mean the reason why we highlight it I think is because the actions taken to separate him from this regardless if you think be the one talking about it or if he's you know whatever however you see fit right as a viewer yeah it's better but that's just because that other people Areo loud podcast you know what I mean that this this well squashed they didn't get along you know and Ashton felt under attack for his own reasons and for reasons that I can see kind of happening to him as well does it excuse his behavior and and I don't know the idea though is that like the they they they were absolutely in line I can't remember I think he some kind of people noticed it right and we're talking about straight up like false uh false sexual assault allegations you know what I mean like straight up like a fake sound like ason as for $5,000 to get to Washington DC to push this stuff like it was written 100% to to convince the audience and to convince UFO Twitter that this guy was out there grubbing for 45k just to get to uh just to get to DC and eventually got taken down you know I mean that's that's a serious effort right it's not just that like okay this guy's I honestly believe right that if Ashton like so bad right sh and people don't Vibe with it people won't VI with it the evidence I realiz is the one who got banned from the chat you gotedit what credits do here right like this is why I don't un people can be like oh look at all this this is why I don't unblock people and do that work but does he deserve and should we as a community excuse those extreme actions taken and should we just not investigate who did it even though they're in a recorded spaces saying they did it or saying that's what they're going to do and they've been like what you know who's it going to be next and for what reasons right who are we letting our community with such Extreme Measures right space for this stuff let for his own behavior that's how I feel but again yeah it's just physics more speakers in here we're gon to cycle some new people up I think that if you're part of Skinwalker in she might not be familiar with the topic can we get another speaker come right guys just kidding it's cool I think people should make whatever shows they want I used to watch Ghost Hunters think fun you yeah I think there's ghosts out there hello how you doing hi T hi red h exellent space by the way did Danny leave yeah Danny took off hi Ashton how you doing are you still in one piece jesz um okay so yes I'm not going to take sides and pretend I know anything I am a cged in other words I armchair do that and so I was talking with Ash when I first met him when he first come onto the scene and I was trying to help the argument he was having about the way all worked and tried to the video up I got some of the most extraordinary DMS and I'll put it back down again because I I didn't want to really be involved in all of that but I do look I understand this um he's not a bad salesman I'm sorry you're wrong about that is he rude well I don't know he's never really been rude to me um but everybody's talking about it and so is that a bad thing okay that's a good that's a good point that's a good point drama I just want to say everyone really is so don't stop saying he's a bad salesman because just stop it it's not true and then and then say and then say you know is that evidence controversial that he's um a whistleblowing out on yeah because it is it's got all of the elements in it and he's asking everyone to dig through it but um I do not get TJ Em wants to hear what you have to say I know you're watching might not be happy with the whatever absolutely unnecessary and it really just muddies the water and obviously we all know about the lies that have been told about him gez Christ um I love shy by the way I've gotten some great spaces with her she's always been super respectful ask really smart questions I would join her spaces and there's only like four of us in evidence it's just evidence that the evidence is true or true I'm simply saying wow don't you pick on people who are trying to um it's not my evidence I just put the evidence out there anyway pack it in your big GS be nice play nice and I'm going to shush oh oh Ash you's on block Jewels because he's a sweetheart and just not a not a bad but if you can I know that how do I find Jewels which one's just have a good Daye everything bye thank you sh just real quick did you say say you were a CGI I am got blocked because she was liing and whatever def video so I was trying to explain an element of the video that completely went off the rails and actually ended up looking like I was trying to entirely debunk him and I really want not him sorry see I even did it you lot got me out tried to do some of the they're not even discussing the um that might exactly should hurt my feelings therefore he's wrong that's really what a lot of this boils down to like I don't know man reditor syndrome dude I'm not a scientist oh you never got to see the donut a knower of everything sry guys it's all and I do that for fun and that video perfect match that video can be made 15p that's really not this is too close the coincidence the the rest unfortunately I think we part of it can be made turns out it wasn't a VFX it was actually and you also can't just make up the data that goes along with it so well shy even I don't know if you watched the video uh that uh put today with the with the Nico statement from Corridor crew you know he was like this don't feel stupid for looking at this and wondering if this is really Alex it was is very well done it's like nearly perfect he goes there's just a couple things that I see in here that could you know that tell me that it that it's most def like most likely you're most definitely you know CGI or whatever and that's you know to uh hammer everything there TJ for president so I don't I wouldn't expect any I wouldn't expect him to be like hey man I call I throw the towel in I'm not good at my job this is the best drama guys you don't you don't even need real housewives of uh whatever County anymore you just watch this shy Keenan she got a shout out on today's uh podcast with Danny he shouted out so yeah good time yeah see oh hell yeah congratulations sh that's that's that's dope um dope so yeah keemstar and then Jules yeah I just wanted to say real quick uh previous uh speakers were it wasn't just for their likes they were supporting like some of these story making up fake stuff about me like that's what they were talking about I just go look at who's liking it and then I they got blocked that's fine I'll blocker not whole world major issue n of the coral crew is an expert guys that the same guy they tried to debunk the real DOD videos when I saw the video it reminded me of uh the the videos where orbs are making crop circles I didn't see the or behavior you know being weird or I mean it looked like typical we need to spice it up a little bit more let me think that's all I had to say Hermes you crack me up buddy they got chat wants me to spice it up a little bit more we don't we don't have any like video evidence of orbs like really ever like um performing like uh like this right so when you looks fake what are you basing that off of right we don't have anything to compare it to you know what I mean this reminds me of I find the Jubilee orbs kind of doing a similar little thing when the queen cook joke where here's the wife and the husband arguing about jelly um if you want to know about orbs creating crop circles you need to talk to Shai again because she was actually involved in the investigation to that a number of years ago um but um no my take on it is I'm really unsure about the videos did she leave where came into a space with us terms and then a lady called um Cindy Henry who was Tom in the original investigation looking at satellite footage joined us and I was hoping it was going to lead to some healthy debate but it ended up in a scrap and Ashton blocked me so that's I I think we need to give Ashton a little bit of slack because there is obviously something very strange about the MH370 case um and I live in the city in the UK rollsroyce based and there has been absolutely no heads nodded towards the fact that that their um engine management system um was recording about the rollsroyce stuff kept Hing on the rollsroyce I can't do anything completely sep system to all the other flight controls it goes straight back to there might be some jealousy Jimmy where I in the I don't know I don't really care and everybody had their opportunity man it's been around several decades if you listen to reli Al addict today I mentioned that and it was developed partly um to protect roation TJ's cry because get a shout out on Danny's podcast um so they can I'll be honest I never thought about DJ never thought he would be on the space the other thing that um I sort of find really strange about Dan self-destructed today there was a battle Fleet in it was wor than thought actually I watched it and it is roughly 10 years encounter and shares a lot of similarities with description and I told him to make this don't make the space the name of the the video like controversial like with Expos or whatever but the encounter I think was some kind of um prototype testing and that is why people came onto the ship to take all the data afterwards um and I think by the time MH370 10 years later um there would have been a working prototype or several oh we're listening to uh drama Central we got and there's also the fact on the plane and Western yeah we're we're in the Middle School drama level of the stream right now we China um talk about what happened with podcast today and why these podcasters are so upset and talk about people feelings and stuff like that was shot for was it 24 or 48 hours or something like that we're actually talking about the case now which is interesting um I think Ashton has um a problem because he's not terribly confident at dealing with people people and it comes across as aggression so maybe we need not confident with deal with people and let him develop his skills a B I mean I don't necessarily agree with the the videos but guys you'll never hear me telling other people like situ I don't know how why people are so judgmental about everyone well said and thanks for being here appreciate that and I agree this is a this is weird and there's a bunch of strangeness surround I went on two hostile podcasts for a total of 10 hours straight being interrogated break a single sweat who's next we're going to get over to UFO intros yeah these people think they're The Gatekeepers of Truth U intr and then crypto junk all right everybody thinks they're the gatekeeper that's why I don't even want to comment I just want to listen and just commentate for a chat here um I just have been viewing all this from the sidelines for the past um Ashton seems to have some serious research chops on him who's this but uh yeah I just I really have been like viewing this from afar and honestly all the passive aggressive comments yeah it's so wild dude crazy people whether they're aggressive comments wild amount of crazy people on this platform it is not the way that he's reacted to that and um guys how have I reacted just I don't know I don't know what to believe I really don't how have I reacted I've like near story resurfaces and uh someone else talking about it you know I just keep doing my thing man I'm like Kobe Bryant on the cover of Liberation times I like when Tupa said that that's what their goal me I hope that the podcasters learn lesson from this that's for sure which is you're gonna get roasted by your own comments if you come at me with hostile intent what I predicted umast the orbs on jul UFO intros crazy toxic there's been some wild all these people have their opinion on someone they've never met before wild and Meanwhile my comments are I don't judge people by supposed expertise I Jud them based on how they act toxicity seeps out into a lot of things that's that's a strange aspect of this community R Kobe man he was the greatest level while you might not be engaged with it immediately affects you if you're involved you know at the spaces level oh Danny deleted that PO we showed it on the uh itly starts to nudge certain yeah because it was so contrary to the comments we showed that poll on the alien addict uh stream today I was talking with them for like three hours those guys are legit of control Danny Su his own Battleship supposed to appear guys I gave Danny so much good advice in the most friendly way possible he kept asking me about I told him not to post that poll about should I Del should I release the video too I told him name research an aspect of this that kind of has to be Kobe was a bit arrogant but he just got his job although I don't think that takes away or J's experience rough right but let's put it in context of the timing of everything I mean maybe that'll help us understand right but uh go ahead crypto yeah that video I don't know if did he show all the Winks that he gave me to before he showed me that that Corridor crew video just a few Quicks here he like winked at me like a bunch of times too like I knew something was coming he had smile on his face I'm pretty sure he didn't show it in the videos but I looked at him like something's coming I knew something was was being uh I don't have the poll in front of me but the poll came out with 54% saying that the videos were real and this was people that were like in his in his chat years before James Fox went back to look into what Spielberg told him about the whole Virginia case um so you know it's not that I'm not sure how he could have a such a an imposing position at the time when he hadn't really Emily you're my favorite right now Ash is so rude and aggressive that's why he's just sitting here listening quietly to five people dog pile a concrete position but have a lot of respect for James fo trolls don't really realize that like I'm unshakable I'm sure that most of you know this is like nothing compared to what I've had to go through before once you spend time on the internet you just learn to like let nothing affect you looking into it so the lik of the oh yeah Jimmy I'm ignoring we're just here for the entertainment my man we're just here for the entertainment this is great I'm loving this the Virginia documentary no the one before what is it called yeah I've seen the flight radar stuff on MH370 I don't think there's anything to that I think it's just like a glitch James Fox's documentary all right the anonymous videos pretty we got anous a video about us we got Infowars post a video about us to show people like an introduction into the whole subject um to be clear I like Dan I think he's a good guy but they jul aded that they were super biased and yeah it doesn't come off great when you bring somebody on to try to debunk them like that's dishonest intent what do you want man all the weird part about Danny thing when he did the fake breaks did you guys notice that he said hey let's take a break but they just kept rolling the cameras going that was weird man that was the other we have the US Navy that's coming out behind Sal Cesar p with his um pents correct if you go and check what's been going on with him over the inter are they working on it I hope they keep their Source material let us watch s removed from search lists there's a lot of stuff going on there people should probably look into um so there's a lot of stuff going on but uh going where do I think the plane went uh if I had to guess probably Diego Garcia military base best place to it Coast to Coast I actually gave the wrong time I'm going to have to update that coast to coast is actually going to be on Sunday at he just straight out and said 3M Eastern why he was starting that way and what it was about man something about what happened 40 minutes before but can't stand by a Laker fan well I'm not really a Laker fan anymore after Kobe died I lost all faith in the NBA after Kobe died I don't know I mean it just and you could see the him ason struggling with that convincing people with his personality but that's not to say the facts that he's putting up aren't aren't true or you know so people need to sort of look at that and take away from that you can't believe the personal person behind it over the facts that being put up on why am I ignoring the space I don't know do you think it's like really that important right or wrong fun one way or another I actually like to listen to these spaces while everyone's just trying to hate on me I think it's nobody yet to come up to be able to prove they can replicate it and in my or probably made it disappear to a place on Earth yeah they're not UFOs it's probably our technology I mean doesn't that make sense you think that aliens are teleporting to plane to another dimension oh yeah he's Redeemer of the people doesn't it make a lot more sense that the plane was doomed they're saving the plane and saving the people on it himself something's going to come out out in the future and I definitely think there's a lot more behind that [ __ ] uh I want to put some yeah neither Danny nor Julian or any of the debunkers on Reddit can understand that you can't just copy the video you have to make it from scratch there's nothing to copy very much like you know something like you put in a Marley I saw you in the in igure Pat were kind of just circulating Danny's chat now like eventually uh his first appearance when people first saw his name was on theories of everything podcast with Kurt J mongle did an amazing interview and he came out to be very person are hilarious seems pretty chill right and uh recently he's done some more Julian here recording this Jeremy Reese I believe right of um alien alien scientists on Twitter now before that though he should look into the motive guys maybe I'll pull it up for us while we're go Flash Forward now salv on yeah everybody's just going to talk about their feelings deny if you're not familiar with the UFO Community then this is pretty much how they always play out on his own it's always about it's always about personal feelings with these guys every single time as pay attention you know I don't have ADH that case and then you know he says like and I want to say one thing Ashton and I are not suicidal that's an that's kind of a was a very extreme thing to say like you know he was I found it to be very interesting again everyone's gonna have and just here's your Mo Guys like trying to crucify me or anything I I'll say the same thing Ashton you're probably getting a bunch of people too like hitting you up just always got to be careful like who's telling me what even us even me talking to you ashy me talking to you Julian everybody I don't trust how feel about certain situations talking to these people you know what I mean especially if this is a real thing you know there's narrative control be deployed I'm sure you've already exper it's always good anybody in this this UFO space to just want want chat wants to hear from you we I know you're listening buddy real quick back got get back to TJ gu guy that was those horns and stuff he call he was on one of those last Emily TJ says I hope TJ makes us Netflix series about all this and calls it Skinwalker space but he had been through a whole string of things Ashton refuses to listen guys refuses it's not normal for an adult Paul's got redditors talking sh if Ashton doesn't agree with me he refuses to listen and he's arrogant it's called being an individual I'm thinking for yourself the the the back story no we don't want TJ to be removed the very when it was released through the drive TJ is so mad you didn't care about cringe Watcher Ranch on I mean nothing one photo that had been raced not long before cringe Walker Ranch then there was a flood ofation then it was all removed it seems to me like there's I'll be honest I've never watched a single episode of cringe Walker Ranch confliction within the government the never watch it's should it be a sop or what I don't know but yeah he's a bit of a shadow he's a bit of now real quick [ __ ] I want to say thank you so much I get over toj at the mic interview with Keith was really good s23 you should check it out get any like thoughts yeah yeah I just want to say yeah I'm raising my hand too but I can't because I'm on computer but hand also yeah let's go ahead and address that real quick uh Megan is on the computer so she can't raise her hand and she's been trying to uh we'll get right back to you we get yeah I'm gonna jump I'm sorry but T you know know me for a while like I don't go into these spaces i' I've never had disagreements or but heads with people right I'm always I'm trying to help like I'm trying to help TJ yes TJ yeah and offer my my my help with everything I can um to elevate he's always trying to help yep nobody asked just never experienced this kind of attacks or anything I mean he's got to be he's the victim somehow this help me professionally doesn't have to be in here just to kind of put it out there when I pitched this like Skinwalker five six years ago I was literally laugh literally making all about himself right now the Runes of discover too funny dude you know and he eventually picks it up but that was it's professionally expensive to talk about this topic um but I've been doing this 20 years this is why I'm not in UF UFO Community guys never done any kind of shows in that realm before right so this was all kind ofj dude I'm trying to literally comes in makes all just like you did in my other space where I didn't ask didn't want it is that there's it sucks a lot of the air out of the room and people have been focusing on just this for so long and this is to me I'm talking to oh George naps on co co because all the stuff that we're talking about Richard Sil on or of anything else speculation and that's fine you can call it another space TJ didn't care about because it wasn't marketable enough I'm telling you there's nothing there in terms of evidence right can I ask you can I ask you a quick question TJ TJ the guy from Skinwalker Ranch is saying there's no evidence there guys sker Ranch incredible of Skinwalker wrench in terms of like you know just TV versus there's not enough evidence for TJ focusing on a topic within the community right a topic within the culture now like this is too funny man that the you know the kind of mythical next we're going to hear from the creator of Ghost Hunter guys about how we need to treat him with more respect Ashton's kind of uh seemingly Grassroots right like personal solo marketing campaign and and and uh you know publicity um is that side watch Ranch in the energy triangle never seen anything like this does he have to abide by those rules in the same way and you know does what does that represent I have nothing against Skinwalker Ranch I think people should watch whatever they want to watch but I think it's pretty hypocritical for a guy like this to claim that we don't have any evidence when he won't even look at look look what we're looking at here guys is are we trying to get this biger because they want a show they want movies they want TJ listen to anything I've ever said if he listen to anything I've ever said he know exactly what I'm trying to do I I say it on every single podcast I've done 30 of them my estimation I think that's crazy impressive why is this even about him at all why is he giv advice why do so many people give advice when they don't get asked I don't go around giving the Skinwalker Ranch people advice imagine if I went in there like okay skwalker Ranch TJ here's some advice for skwalker ranch just in terms of like you know History Channels History Channel TVs you know these networks are huge right so that's what I meant by the myth thing I want to do is Market these videos for money I got you I got you I don't think there's in or out I want to get the answers for the families who got no answers for the pilot who is vilified for the leaker who went to prison for the witnesses who were discredited that's what we're doing this for people who have the access to give you exposure will trust you because you have a track Rec of success trust if you're coming in I can't believe he's still going going trust that like you may have the greatest story in the history of the planet but if you can't play the game and when I say the game I mean you have to operate within the system what is this my Manan has zero evidence literally zero evidence rules and this is this is our evidence two videos 19 Witnesses think of how actors come up right actors come up they start tons of evidence we figured out how system works no one even knew how the satellites work before I started doing this it's the same way with television it's the same way with any kind of media you have to instill trust in those who are going to be yeah they want to control me that's what it comes down to right if you can't do that they want to be able to control me ju you figured it out they're not going to take I'm uncontrollable nobody goes and gives a reality1 million and you're like hey go shoot 13 episodes I hope you come back with something great no it doesn't work that way they just ignore the facts right you need to have that track here's why I didn't crash the South Indian Ocean here's why it's one of the biggest conspiracies of all time TJ hold on hold on TJ hold on like on your show would you say any of the video clips or evidence of anything are they evidence of anything I think they're yeah they're evidence of you're seeing objects in the sky evidence of whatever is being told they're not evidence of seeing objects in the sky that have this therefore that right you see objects you have cooperating evidence you have caby Ranch mul wow if I had any respect for Skinwalker Ranch before this it is out the window now folks out the window these people really just love to destroy their creditability just let them go man pieces of data that continue to re re I'm studing actual physics they're going to set up a pattern and so by doing that you can say if this then that because it's happened this time this time and this time yeah I'm dangerous to their narratives that's after Ranch times it can this is great no I agree how many follow how many almost 300 people in this what do you know do you know what it is no is someone saying it's XYZ I'm dying guys this is too funny I feel like there's a there a big you guys know TJ Works in television he knows actors that someone claim wow he's literally never mentioned it before because of these things that somebody who doesn't know what those things are guys saying those here's the science folks these Telltale science here's the science folks we've done more science than four seasons of Skinwalker Ranch only months and say hey you know what yeah maybe I should talk to somebody who knows better than I do I've only been doing this three months maybe I should talk to people but instead this guy does nothing but talk down to me I mean listen I appreciate the time should TJ TJ real quick before you go because you were one of the people I wanted to talk to uh we had talked about this a little bit before I'm not sure I like Megan uh but you message me and if you want to like talk via Discord or TJ's a producer we had heard say were talking yeah yeah we have some different crazy hair guy from mind it seems we're still to some extent at least from my perspective in the middle of investigating a lot of this stuff Ashton has done his own investigation and is a little really nothing to listen to there just but I think that looking for like getting paid for their Twitter group therapy sessions that's what these are honestly red panda and Tupa need like to be getting paid for this like these guys are thing I would say is that you can talk about you know he changed his name to succeed or whatever and I'm here to defend Ashton's approach in all of these things he's been kind of a jerk to me too no offense as we're cool but like he did go from like you know 30 followers to 50,000 followers in a c month I'm with you clearly yeah see it see it Tupa and red panda deserve a lot of credit for like group therapy in these guys on a daily basis to bring something like this TJ who's I mean I didn't approach it as hating I approach trying to help and I know no no no no hold on hold on hold on real quick having a meltdown dude melt criticism interaction negative negative interaction happens all the time we can't conflate that right I'm not hating I'm just trying to help har or something like I love the like the backhanded compliments like like Julian's like you're a smart guy but you're so arrogant to me because you don't agree with me yeah I'm sorry for this is a part for a I have to talk to the Hollywood actors those are totally separate dick just don't be a dick I don't I think people are addict to you I feel like that's a great way to live life TJ telling other people not to be a dick to anybody this guy is just literally ranting about his own himself for like the last 15 minutes scale that Ashton truly believes what he's talking about and he's headstrong here that's what I think that's what I think I'm seeing and his execution while criticism is warranted in a lot of cases right but that is still not done I can't tell if this is lar or if this is real Joe I don't know what's happening right now this feels like it's scripted what we're talking about is a microcosm of a microcosm feels this going outside of this world this is already been going up outside side of this to what where's ke so much hurt feelings was here right so much hurt feelings Keem you know refers refers to them as the normies so people outside of this world are already well aware of this whole Theory and all this and there's people who are doing deep Dives and again there's two other shows like that you know you you'll see made off of not not fullon shows but episodes or segments within about this topic that is and maybe it has to do with Ash may this trying to hate of you ever um but yes you'll see more of this outside of UFO Twitter or outside of all of this this realm but um listen I appreciate you know sorry TJ before you go can I ask some questions please sorry it took a while to get up here so please don't cycle me down so quick um so TJ something about this um came up a few times that you were specifically talking this stuff is just better than I mean I would watch Netflix but this is just better man and I'm the center of attention touch this and a few people have commented on that how resist this what exactly brings about such a thing before we've actually had this go anywhere because a lot of people are like oh I was interested and then this happened I was interested and then this happened but none of it is really seems to be around the actual evidence of it and then we'll get evidence because there isn't any evidence of teleportation the only things that I see are like fake explosions and that right there just immediately throws me out of it I couldn't get behind that why is TJ at all no one cares no one wants you on our side TJ I never asked for your opinion this is the guy skin walker Ranch and he's crying about teleportation they show portals in sker what makes you say they're fake um what makes you say they're real because we can explain the science behind them but you can't I could explain the science behind why they're not I wish you would hold this level of skepticism for your own TV show TJ you're too funny man my chat loves you again as I've only said complimentary things about you you've only said complimentary things about me chat wa you're let me finish I said about the work you've done here and how you've done a incredible PR campaign I I think that you're just now with your smirk and all of this again you're just you're just showing you're revealing why people are probably doing these shows without you right because you you put this out doing the shows without me it's unfortunate that it's going to happen with or without you so spoiler I don't want to make a show and definitely not with you ever TJ but have a great night right I know because I already told you I wasn't continue talking with you because you were saying talking about get a lawyer this guy's so mad dud ason why did you tell Danny you had a producer around shopping a documentary for this i' I'd like a response on that yeah so does it matter I think I just that's self-explanatory right you just said you're not trying to do that I said I'm not meing in a TV show that's correct should we play 20 Questions with you Julian because I've got some for you knock yourself out it's okay ask a question Zay Megan appreciate you this space is directed at a specific topic and we do want to give priority to that topic when when we can when we can ask everybody questions we definitely will but as Julian and Ashton this is a thing they're in the they're in the name of the space we got to give them the stage when they you know when question come up like this if we can respect it that'd be really cool and then we'll get right back to you Zay Meg can't wait for your questions thank you for being here too by the way appreciate you guys okay first question for Julian if you think this is all a scam why did you send me a text message um stating that you think I'm hurting the families and that I should feel bad about this shouldn't you delete the videos if you're you're the only one profiting off them first question no I I said you're hurting the families because you refused news to not take all attention on this K see I do a podcast every week right I do multiple podcasts a week I move on if it were up to me we'd be moved on from this episode right now secondly you also accused me of censoring you ahead of time which was hilarious so I can't win no matter what I do and it's two podcasts with you it doesn't make that much money and it seems to me like you don't want them out there which is highly interesting to me so that's not even an issue but for you to make that for you to look at all these pieces of evidence and only listen to the people who agree with you I mean I you even cited that guy Victor on my podcast I don't even remember his last name he hit me up on Twitter in the comments and was like yeah I tried to explain to Ashton that this was wrong and he wouldn't listen to me so you are even citing people out of context on this stuff with the evidence that you find to support your case so when I say you're hurting thees my reporting on Victor because you are drawing all your attention to this for you you enjoy this man like this is is a re there are real people in the middle of this and you know what if you want to accuse me of also being guilty of getting into the middle of the case with you and actually hurting the families in that way maybe there's something I have to accept there as well and look in the mirror and say maybe I should never have [ __ ] gotten involved with this in the first place which I will take full responsibility for so then delete your videos and stop profiting off it honestly don't mind if you don't delete them or not I think you look like a jackass and your own comments shredded you to pieces so it doesn't matter to me yeah the the the comments are your whole bot campaign pal I was warned about this my camp or two hour or two into the thing let's talk the first time I love how disconnected you are from reality that you think that I've got a bot campaign that's the problem you've got you got online redditor syndrome let me just finish you've got online redditor syndrome where you think that like you're in the majority when reality is most real people see right through you that's the problem and I tried to I tried to explain it to you ahead of time man uh you know I warned you about it just like I warned Danny about it when he put his fake uh you know like a description of this video like he called me this morning and we talked about what the description should be and he I told him don't put Exposed on there man it's going to look bad for you he didn't listen to me he lied to me told me he wasn't he said I was going to put revealed on there sure enough you go look at those comments those aren't Bots man those are real people so I mean yeah they're MH they're MH 370x people absolutely they aren't man I didn't even retweet it I didn't even post it told you that who who seated that like that that you're gonna get hit with bods because they buy bots for people so I'm just curious I had multiple people in my DMs and I will I will put one name on it the guy Darcy who was here earlier he hit me up about that's interesting an hour and a half into the video and said I hope you know what's coming next and I said what are you talking about and he explained it to me and it was right on Q real quick red red will you break down the Box situation that's been happening notice he's not going to delete his videos Del buy bots and then like falsely attri he's the only one profiting by the way and say like look at this person's buying Bots no Bots those are just real people should we read their real comments guys um but yeah so that's just something they do so I just find Bots don't get upvoted 100 times guys it happened to right I have you we'll just ask you for the room do I buy bots no I've never bought a single bot I've never canceled a hotel reservation I'm 100% honest everything I state is the truth and the whole truth and that's just all there is to it if that hurts people's feelings that's just the way it is I think it's safe to say that I've seen a lot of interest in this case and a lot of people feel very strongly that this might be the Pinnacle right the video that needs to get found out it's presented in such a way by Ashton that it's fact and I could see a lot of people naturally you know falling into period and people the Mystique grew after the finally leave I'm sure it um was a catalyst and it solidified right a a perspective on this for a lot of people could that be the bot Army we're referring to is that is it a natural thing or you know could it be you guys actually think that they were Bots that were hating on them I think there's natural but I'm sure that they also bought Bots for him because they like hyped it all up right and their I just wanted for the room and for Julian like all these little so and so told me so told me why like they do eventually add up I think to and I'll be honest to Ashton's Behavior kind of like he is kind of like leaning into the troll angle of it right because he's probably just annoyed with everything no I'm leaning into it because it's hilarious is why like the episode did have a different feel I feel like than previous episodes you know what I mean it is something to consider not asking anyone to out their sources or anything but you know and put it all in context do some research again these tactics repeat they're repetitive they're rhythmic they keep happening it's the same same thing so certain keyword certain key players they always seem to cross it's like a VIN diagram continues and continues to cross only in specific ways that's definitely one not bot so it's something to look out for but yeah just real quick though it's not Bots uh go read the comments those are real people I think that when people live perpetually online they don't know what real people sound like but real people or Bots aren't getting voted up like 50 or 100 times guys it's it's real people and I think the podcasters that had those negative reactions should read the comments so that they can improve in the future that's just my advice I've been 100% honest about this but let's just take it or leave it yeah and that's valid but that still doesn't there there is still the fact that even before any of this he was kind of like told that you know what I mean like that was already kind of seeped in that that fashion is crazy dude who buys Bots and does all this stuff you know so he's going into it with that yeah I think that might have clouded his judgment a little bit I totally understand that but you're right on that front like I think that people should be careful about what people tell them in the DMs I think that a lot of this and a lot of the issues with ufology in general that people think it's a popularity contest right the truth is not a popularity contest it not decided by popularity either it's decided by the evidence right so Ashton and that that's actually a fair point I hope you can understand me having some pause then when you tell me for example that the friend of a nephew of a general told you behind an account in a DM that you know the general reacted this way to seeing a video and I found that highly credible do you see how this works both ways yeah man I've posted that a lot of people here actually saw the general thing and it was one of my most upvoted or one of my most liked comments ever back when I had a certain number of people like you know I think that from your perspective why are you trying to be so harsh on your guests you never acted like that against any other guest yes man so that's the second question I was I was no well first of all when we were in the studio and people were coming up because we were sitting in the studio for three and a half hours before this podcast started and people were coming up you had no I'm gonna run through the list right here you had no idea I had ever had in sha Ryan you had no idea I had ever had in James Fox you had no idea I had ever had in mukaku who those three are important because they're right at the top of my page when you go on YouTube so for you to say I've never treated other guests a certain way which by the way I won't even say if you're right or wrong there I'm just saying in general you can't make a comment like that when you have not even reviewed my content that makes no sense yeah to be honest I never looked at any of your stuff Julian because again like I said before I don't judge people based on their credentials and I don't do podcasts based on their credentials either so I just took you to hopefully be an honest person and I came in with honest inent and that's and that's exactly that's exactly what I did and you chose violence after the podcast was open I don't understand and obviously I had an issue with things before but I don't understand resorted to doing those things I've never and I mean Danny said it better and I could even say it earlier about how we ended up feeling about you but I have never felt the about someone I had in when you left that day don't you know who I am I didn't feel that way did I have a lot of skepticism and was I concerned with how you present some of the case and did I think like I chose violence I don't know if this guy's the best men of that so dishonest man but I had zero issue with you and and I would have never titled it that way I would have never done an intro like the like the one I ended up making you did that based on how you then behaved over the next five days and you got me see this it got to me it got me it got me more pissed off than I have ever been in the history of me doing this podcast this is like domestic abuser discussion right now you made me do this to you hold on hold on you made me do this to you no I think that was I think that was a hella response but you're just a bad person dude I don't know I thought he kind of was being very fair there Aton and kind of like admitting you know exactly what you know where his head was at during that process but that my take on it I respect take AST I don't know I don't know why you suck so much dude but I I just you are Your Own Worst Enemy you are going to be your own downfall if you don't get your head out of your ass dude maybe if you stop being a dick to everyone as Rober was saying earlier I'll just say it like that maybe if you stop that and you actually looked strictly for you chose violence what does that show from maybe you'll end up be the biggest guy ever on this stuff I don't want to be the biggest guy ever that but the way you're going right now you are to quote Danny from earlier You Are Burning Bridges dude and it's really really sad um sorry can I just ask Julian I have a few questions for you on me um you seem to be new to the UFO space and stuff and this is post interview with Ashton has this ever happened in any other sphere of that you've introduced on your show or interviewed on your show and then had to spend so much time after the fact talking about the interview never never ever ever I have amazing Interac brought on I for so disappointing I used to have a line before last used to have a line I would say to people when they ask me about my job you know and about how the people who came on was I used to say I'm so lucky thought it was Bots this guy's like he's just like and now I can no longer say that but to answer your question never he thinks Bots everything's fake that's against him right everything's fake people just railing on him in his own comments are all fake him not paying for the hotel fake you can do that I'm the one point and be called real people man that's America called real people I never said anything mean to this guy that's the best part so angry dude find it's like a little like embarrassing that like you went through all this like you don't have to be here right now talking about all this and airing like personal stuff out but you are and I feel like you're being like a little bit vulnerable and and honest in doing so and do you feel like that's being reciprocated for you what do you mean is that being reciprocated is is Ashton like kind of meeting you halfway in terms of uh being vulnerable and trying to communicate honestly I I I don't I don't want to be the judge of that i' like people listening to be the judge of that it's not fair for me to judge that yeah and I just want to read it for the room I'm glad both these guys are here talking it out too funny man get some hearts in the chat for them when we get to the next hands I saw we'll go to you you a comment and then we'll get to okay so I watched uh Julian's podcast first watched the whole thing through and then uh saw the should I just read comments from real people to Julian that would be like the best right you knowem he had a bad interaction prior but let me see what Danny Jones comes up with and in between Julian and and Danny's podcast I saw Ashton's video like quote unquote debunking everything prior to Julian's podcast even coming out and once juli I just got done with Julian's podcast and uh you know he or uh Danny's podcast and Danny started pressing you at the the end about basically your debunking video especially the the one with the video of the quote unquote implosion exp call thermal event um and it just it blows my mind that you don't understand that that video can be scaled you know you're saying pixel by pixel if you scale pixels they will never match so the scale would have to be absolutely perfect so if it was a bfx people talking about how cropped or compressed so bad that it didn't have certain aspects into it and scaled differently and inverted and recolored like doesn't make bridges you're you're and the corridor guys you know like they spent their time just saying it yes I do understand your point of him kind of skipping over some certain things and I do get the whole you know if if if if it's fake then just recreate it well then ask you should be putting up the money put up a bounty saying hey if somebody creates this within a certain time frame here must be this this this this this then you know use your platform since you're rising up through a Fame well you rised really high and then now you're just burning everything going back down burning everything doing what Danny said and collaborate with the people competing against you to come up with a resolution I I just I want to hear what asy has to say about that oh I got to respond oh um we had a bounty man that was months ago we're past that now uh I have offered for a few people to try to do it but I mean Julian told me he's got a major Studio that's going to work on it they so they get it done in a couple days but turned out they just read off metabunk um so I don't know kind of weak the reality is I think I already resolved answered all those questions on there the reason to more specifically why that is if you were to make that VFX which doesn't match as a statement of fact once again try to match our visual effect on the one frame that it's similar to you have to realize the person that would have done that doesn't have the luxury of comparing it to our video so they're not going to be able to sit there and move it all around so they would have had to accidentally make it change that VFX that is a white hot VFX with little lines coming off the side of it they would have to accidentally turn it into exactly what we see in there that's probably the best debunking possible do do you do you understand what Danny said by or I guess Corridor crew said by stock footage like do you understand stock understand that if you put stock footage in there you're not going to modify it you're just going to add it in there without having to modify it and most you might change the color of it but we can see that the pixels don't match which is why my counterargument is how many pixels match end of debate that's not that's not true you you would you could and would move it around if it doesn't necessarily F even when you move it around it doesn't match you want to change the you would you could and would change more things than just the color I just want to see that as a video editor of course that and it still doesn't match they that's what they did they actually did that they changed the size they changed the color and they tried to line it up to the edge as best as they could and even when they do that it doesn't match again as a statement of fact and all you have to do to prove it wrong and it's only one frame get the croor crew out there have him stream it pull up his computer from 2012 have him start moving the pixels around one by one but he has to do it without looking at the original he just has to try to change the pixels without looking at the original like a key like a monkey TR typing on keyboards until they create Shakespeare right so if you can do that I would love to watch I keep saying that nobody takes me up on the challenge in fact nobody still to date has answered how many pixels match use some of your Advanced editing software tell me how many pixels match exactly I want to know and then everybody gets so mad at me like why won't you just believe what I say or why won't you just believe what Nico says he on the corridor crew you're arrogant for not believing it we we don't want it's not that we just want you to believe it man it's that we want you to take it into consideration that's all that people are saying I take things into consideration of what possibilities you're bringing this whole story to us as a possibility right people bring possibilities into their into the conversation you should be thinking of those things yeah ashon what is your stance on those videos exactly are you are you specifically saying that those what's happening is something what's going on there exactly according to you I mean I think you can you can take a look at my uh my a lot of work or you can watch any of my podcasts I mean there's a lot of content to go over you know you can even watch Julian's you know we just spent six hours in interrogation going through it I mean it's all pretty much been laid out there so I don't really want to relitigate the whole videos here on this I just I'm in here for the entertainment tonight and so now you're shutting down because you're saying you studi this for three months and you can't come up with your opinion on what you think the video is you just want the high level sure no sure that's fine yeah so I think there was a lithium ion battery fire when the plane went dark I think the plane flew for 1 hour 20 minutes flew over panang was Rond Vu probably had communication with the US government they r tooed at the nicobar islands where a witness sees the glowing orange plane which is consistent with the lithium ion battery fire then we see our videos happen we see smoke coming out of the back of the videos we see two identical videos we see three what I presume to be us probably reverse engineered but whatever advanced technology showing room temperature super conductivity showing what we would call teleportation but which is really macroscopic Quantum conjugation or macroscopic phase conjugation which is essentially taking the waves and being able to con uh uh synchronize them to a degree where they can obtain a macroscopic object can obtain the properties of quantum which essentially seems like magic because what we live in is a construct the simulation of sorts and essentially magic like magic too you know what I'm saying yeah pretty much is honestly so you're saying a a regular size object that you can see and touch would obtain the qualities of a Quantum object and we've proven that quantum teleportation is real and we've proven the quantum teleportation is real if you just look at the double slit experiment realize that time dilation is real I I get it quantum is a Quantum is a big word right so I just want to make sure like we're talking the same thing so in the quantum level that scale of things things at a probab probabil sorry a probability state where they wavs they're neither pretty you know they're just kind of loosely hanging around w we at any place some weird [ __ ] like that right it just these weird properties can you can you kind of dive into that a little bit how does something obtain those qualities how a regular siiz object and you know and how often is that used who developed that technology you have any kind of ideas Behind these things yeah it's a lot so I that's why I've been starting my own podcasts because otherwise I would never do my own podcasts too much work but that's why I interviewed Salvage oras why I interviewed Bob Greener who explained fractal toroidal moments why I plan on interviewing Bob Rossy which people don't or Dave Rossy sorry sorry Dave who people don't know but who's incredibly intelligent and when it comes to the science side of it um some high level things that all come down is that a lot of has to do with changing electrons when electrons are driven from the equilibrium State they will self-organize into a matter wave under the right conditions solid state objects can achieve macroscop Quantum coherence um low temperatures can allow the electrons to couple and move as one the fractal tral orb moments can create a unification of forces that allows for the induction of the phase Singularity that we see that black endothermic event the properties denote the behavior this is what Roy de Herbert physicist repeats on if you just go look at his Twitter Quantum properties may include Mass reduction if you can reduce the mass of an object then it doesn't take a lot of energy to move it around actually takes a very little bit amount of energy time is a fluid symmetry of itself so a faster relative flow zero inertia equals zero gravity this allows you to ignore gravity like we see with the orbs after the phase transition this object can theoretically be placed anywhere and while it still technically aderes to the laws of conservation momentum you do not have to adhere to it going in a specific Direction and it can essentially just be set down somewhere if necessary uh that's pretty much my best understanding of it right now and every day I'm learning more and more oh lastly also room temperature superconductivity could be induced by metam materials such as lk99 if the recipe were correct or repeated pulse vibrations from transducers so the idea here is there's two ways to achieve superconductivity you can uh increase the rapid spin of the electrons the other way is you can increase the vibration of them apparently vibration according to Salvador Pius is the way that we are able to do this at least for room temperature superc conductivity and these are used in quantum computers and Quantum microchips which turns out the 20 free scale semiconductors on board may have been involved with okay is that good enough cool yeah and I don't know this space forever so maybe like 30 more minutes 20 more minutes if we could just get through your questions just you could ask it real fast there's a lot of hands and then uh yeah probably around like 20 minutes or so I think well Z let's get your last thoughts and then we'll get to oric Thomas Smith and thanks again Ashton and jul being here okay I have two last questions um where's TJ TJ please verif julan specifically you touched on it TJ touched on it as well um this Cockiness or this attitude that people don't seem to like um not only within the UFO space but in general there's some people who are cocky AF and people seem to tolerate that for whatever reason are we saying that it's because these people have X number of years experience nobody can question they can never question the science hon say they have this uh qualifications and because they're cocky then we can take that but when somebody does something and they don't have those pieces of paper they don't have X number of years experience then that's something that we brushing against is this what's happening it's a bit confusing for the rest of us who don't follow how y'all are doing this as to when this I love this lady and abrasive and when it's not and I have a few and I have another question inspirational speaker scientist no that's a great question and I think you know one of the points of this interview wasn't just to just to figure out you know uh what the standard of etiquette or whatever it should be I think it was to kind of figure out the you know I hate to say it like the the not the drama but the interactions between Julian um Danny and Ashton you know it's we trying to humanize it because it was getting to a fever pitch wasn't helping anybody you know became a thing of of got a little mythical and hearing it now you know it's really easy to see where the wires got crossed in my opinion and it's also easy to see that there's there could be at points of this you know not necessarily julan and and Danny here but at points of Ashton's research and presentations there have been some very interesting interactions very interesting efforts made um that like you know kind of add to the Mystique of this I think the the case on a basic level but yeah as far as etiquette goes kind of comes comes secondary to the evidence that's my opinion uh if you're you know I'll add Cor was on stage like totally [ __ ] on Stan fredman you know and like people don't never talk about his etiquette you know what I mean wait what are you talking about on stage and he like it was like Stan into like last interview before he died and he was just being kind of a dick to him uh I don't see like those yeah I think people learn about Quantum and macro seems pretty sweet to me hey LTB hey everybody in chat welome totally TJ people want to know are you in here but also Julian is kind of could have been nicer to julan I could understand why he'd be like uh [ __ ] this fake niess you know it's too too funny I thought would go ahead and explain something to like I think Ashton said something that just kind of flew over everyone's head it was really scientifically and like probably just seemed like nonsense so like most people like me uh that were listening but it's um uh I don't know should I break it down I don't think Julian invited keemstar I think he just drama and then Logan I would love your breakdown it's like we hours of the morning and I was actually going to ask you to record that that I can listen to it when I'm awake yeah Zay I I wanted to answer the question I I didn't entirely understand can you just rephrase it a little bit for me sure um within this field and other fields there seems to be a very high level of Cockiness early on WE dismantled this idea of experts the way people speak to other people people that have authority right I learned early on that how many letters you have the next to your name whatever supposed credibility is doesn't mean anything at all as is I don't know I don't know anybody I'm not defending the evidence you present the way you present yourself and how you present that evidence that's how I people's credibility I'm very good at it you've even come on this show I have any special abilities telling people phon people come spoken about the evidence they just talking about what he has done so at what point is that acceptable is it when people have been in an industry X number of years is it because they have some sort of qualification piece of paper so what what exactly is going on because the rest of us really don't understand and we're just here for the uaps yes there's no experts in this technology if they are they are owned by the dod you should shut people down if they don't have a ton of experience or if they have a ton of experience I think you should weigh too afraid to ask uh am I following you on Twitter tell me what your Twitter handle we can try to work it out I'm pretty busy but we can figure out as far as like Cockiness goes I think it's a feel thing and I think it's to the extent of where that goes so if people start attacking people this guy Julian still profiting off of the tragedy while sending me messages about how hurtful it is to the family never ever ever in the history of my he's the only one profiting and I've you know we've had videos that go viral and then people make you know response videos that are attacking on it how we stay do I have awareness of my error rate you know people are talking about it that's cool I'm sure I get stuff wrong agree with things said on the show but then I correct I've never dealt with it where get better in terms of the science is probably the thing I'm the worst about and and I think that there is a l good news is nobody really knows how how the science Works sure sh is a horrible feeling that happen and to have to respond to it in public and that I mean that's always too busy upd includes tonight's space all watch football and stuff people first notice so it gets ugly but I mean he brought it on himself man I think cockiness is not a good trait if if people aren't being a dick online then yeah I mean yeah so how can there be light there's an endothermic event most likely because the electrons around to get energized but Bob Greener was kind of presenting the idea that if it was annihilation the elect julan and maybe you're notw million Subs doesn't that mean they're experts somebody other your Dan yeah we got I have another we're gonna make a bunch of memes today guys it's not a monolith of a thing there are many of us who are here for the uaps so just to put that out there and many of us don't engage in some of the activities that have been said so that's it but what I'm trying to get at is we're having a conversation here your podcast was X minutes or X hours long it took whatever amount of time to put together and whatever we're having a conversation with Fuller than most rooms when we talk about the UAP what his name TJ are talking about the behind the scenes of the behind the scenes and spend so much time talking about it you yourself have said this is come out before when you've been dealing with other guests that you didn't get along so with the UFO and UAP space this seems to be common ground and I'm just trying to figure out like is maybe this is part of it maybe the truth coming to the surface maybe we have to there are things we have to examine before we're ready to examine uaps but like even this is why every is melting down look at this holy crap it doesn't really make sense to somebody like me who's not involved directly or has a thing has uh has a dog in the fight so I can't respond all these messes holy crap there a lot if Ashton's information is incorrect it's going to come out and if ashon you're going to see who I Ming there I didn't even see going to come out so why aren't we just focused on freaking finding out if it's correct or not correct and move on from that this lady is smart that is exactly that is exactly what I think we should be doing and and also I want to retweet something you said there you said this is not a monolith someone who is very much outside of this and is getting a crash course on it from Tupac Abra and some other people explaining all these different communities in here I can tell you just on hearing those conversations it's obvious it's not a monolith there's negatives and there's positives and what I don't want to see as a Layman here someone on the outside is I don't want to see something that I am very in in this case being UFOs and uaps and seeing where these disclosures or whatever they are go I think some people do want to say I made the videos which is really silly that's almost the silliest claiming I'm Russian and the community explode I mean I think a lot of example and something else happened with crypto I think you can't pay for this level of entertainment crypto Community became Its Own Worst Enemy and actually destroyed a lot from within rather than even just the many attacks that were coming from the outside obviously and so I don't want to see this fighting I don't want to see people making J stuff and selfishly I don't want to deal with this in my job I got more important things to do you know you know I I I agree I think we have to let facts win and if it were up to me that's that's what we would do I I I normally would never cre could beor crew I think cor crew might be better feel a need to defend myself and I'm sorry that that that happened and you know hopefully this never happens again yeah quarter crew for the last one thank you for could you get your last I wanted to put their pictures on here as well but seems like it's too much work just on the monolith topic if you ever want to come back just maybe interacting with more of a diverse group of people to understand better what is and isn't happening and maybe focusing on actual uaps and U UFOs and the information so we can actually get some answers I think the majority of us are just here for answers and the UAP and the understanding I think that might help a lot of us thank you so much well said well said Thank You Z next but hand ra I can't wait till they they watch My Stream and rage about my stream thank you okay so first thing I want to say was I think this is kind of answering AI news a little bit and some other people uh and this is in terms of the vsx debunk uh so well I appreciate aston's like how many pixels match thing uh that personally to me has never been super convincing the thing that I find more convincing is that there's four frames in the regon videos that show the explosion there's eight frames in the VFX pyro asset that they say matches the one frame you see all the time that matches really pretty well two of the frames match reasonably well one of the frames just doesn't really match at all so if you are going to say that that asset is what was used to fake that it can't be exclusively that asset it has to be some other things as well I think it's very possible to fake that asset or to fake that effect but I don't think that the asset that has been presented fully explains it despite that one frame matching I can't P so in my mind that is a better rebunk of that particular def Fair Point yeah great points Megan thank you um and then the last thing I say just real quick is just that um to Aton I would love to talk about the stereoscopic 3D thing a little bit more I my experience with action was that he was like maybe a little bit of a jerk to me when I first brought it up but understandably so because he's been bombarded by people from all sides I get that [ __ ] um but that I did make some Headway you know and that he was open-minded about that so I think that this idea that he's not at all open-minded or whatever isn't really fair but you know that understand bombarded so it's sometimes hard to get to but I would love to talk about that with you more Ashton I'm working on a document it's taking a long time okay that's the answer oh real quick Megan did you say that like the asset was only four frames but it's eight frames in the the video the asset has eight frames and the video has four frames of those four frames one of them the one you see all the time matches really well two of them match reasonably well and one of them just doesn't match at all and how many frames is the is the explosion hor it's just video it's for frame frame in the regon thermal videoon yeah in the regenon video it's foram in the asset that they're saying cre it there's eight yep one time I had a friend uh he was convinced his video online yes yes Chad sorry what you're really muffled too F everybody else a little bit okay my bad only people don't want to be fooled they don't want to be fooled period and people will look for any reason to look at a video and go okay I don't need to believe in that I'll write that off when you're looking at something unbelievable it's super easy that's the natural reaction you want to do right so you know I I wouldn't blame anybody for seeing some seeing one frame of a lot because it right off the bat it's almost like a meme itself take this picture it becomes a reason not to have to make your mind go there right and that's not I'm not to say that's something you apply to every single case are every single debunk but that is the natural way right if you see something it's unbelievable you immediately look for the the wire right the reason you go but let's get over to is it oric and then uh we'll go from there guys I'm cracking Thomas hey so like it's it's so hard for me to frame this in one way where I'm like immediately not tuned out by the other person I'm just going to be like completely honest and and obviously my perspective is not the ground truth um Julian like I've been listening to your your podcast for a while and I'm going to keep on listening to your podcast because you have interesting guest you know that's not a good start and um I I I like what you what you bring out of people and I saw the one with with Ashton and first of all like both of you are in a in a really difficult place here right because like Ashton still needs to keep the possibility open to this video being debunked but then you also need to kind of keep the video up to maintain like your credibility that you're willing to like deal with the evidence and and so like both of you are in a tough spot and I want to say like what's what's unusual about the UFO space we're making mes we didn't really do anything seem to be more capable I'll be honest of tolerating uncomfortable conversation this to me like stands out compared to other spaces and and and Julian this is just my perspective I need to be honest with you like I I can totally understand what some people say like oh yeah Ashton looks like an [ __ ] but I can't possibly imagine that I wouldn't come across exactly in the same way because most of the things that I've witnessed is Ashton saying all right well I disagree with you you're entitled to your perspective and there's two types of arrogance arrogance used to mean expecting somebody to treat you higher than your status would like justify but nowadays the the definition the actual dictionary definition has changed there's a new one it's just somebody else viewing you as arrogant and if you actually are comfortable with other people disagreeing you or viewing you as an hassle no other words when you don't expect anybody view you certain way that now is included as the new definition of arrogance yeah exactly and I just need to say yeah this guy is legit Julian like please keep the videos up I'm Gonna Keep On listening to your show and I I personally like I'm not trying to collapse into he's never delet those videos guys truth regarding like never deleted those videos is this video legit or not I think the evidence deserves and also on right now like how debunked or how debunked is the debunk of the debunk debunk video because for me it's not what Ashton is doing or what Ashton is suggesting or presenting is not just an alternative aams Razer Truth for me it's more about the dark data we some of us might remember the Donald rosfeld quote of like there's no knowns unknown knowns known unknowns but we're living in an age where we're realizing it's actually about the unknown knowns it's it's the thing of like 590,000 people listening actually been in our face the entire time that's already proven not necessarily is the truth but about a lie we absolutely St G I don't know who you are but you're gone that's that's something you can say about the entire UAP space and that's something concern trolling is like the worst you f that you care about something for me Ashton's evidence already proves in a scientific sense From perspective what's the guys what's the uh the null hypothesis what's the sentence for arrogance that this plane just ran out of fuel we lost tracking of it around you know 1840 UTC and it's somewhere in the ocean now people can disagree with that perspective but this moving Target of evidence kind of like intelligence or AI has been a moving Target for a hundred years is is is kind of like the hypocrisy we see with Neil degrass Tyson or when people say like oh where's the evidence of the UAP we only have thousands of years in EMP evidence that there's something that's more than just like a psychological thing in somebody's head that there's actual evidence and all posting this to my Discord you know this is I probably won't post on Twitter and I think these conversations are important but we shouldn't just focus on like if you don't invest in the you know aam's razor truth that that ashon is suggesting this guy look more confident while being 100% wrong this is likely what happened with these orbs there's still in incredible evidence saying like we can't accept the regular the part he says you the part where he says that you shouldn't feel bad about being wrong with this is like godamn man people of your long time podcast wow and you know I'm I'm honestly ciding more with with Ashton here but I'm not going to close my eyes if something comes out that this is debunk and we all need to keep our eyes open if this if we end up really finding like we may never get proof of this video but if we right now crowdsource and reverse engineer this Tech if it really is just a rearrangement of maxwellian equations like many people have implicated over decades then we might end up saying like all right maybe the video's legit maybe isn't but clearly Tech is possible and that changes the whole story as well got them those are some great points oric I recommend everyone give him a follow if especially if you like spaces I've heard him only give like pretty solid takes on things yeah thank you for that that was awesome man thanks [ __ ] sweet and we're gonna try and close out here sooner so if we could kind get through kind of quick guys I'm sorry Thomas Thomas feel free to go a little longer I a while we're gonna go Thomas Smith Fletcher mistress Sonic can y'all hear me yeah yes coming through hey uh I think the first thing why Ash's getting so much attention I genuinely think I know this is my opinion and speculation but I think it's an anomaly and I think evaluating it with VFX and everything like that it's great but it's when something is an anomaly it's difficult to be able to view when you've never seen it before uh the second thing is with the whole VFX thing and trying to use that as uh you know someone that's an expert speaking you know for marine myself I had first sergeant and staff Serge seen firstand in combat expect them to DARE expectancy what to deal with the situation and they failed and we had lower rank people get I know it's an extreme situation but all I'm saying is is don't always expect people who have position complely competent and everything this is only beginning and third thing is is um uh Ash I wanted to ask you I thought was really interesting um the individual who leaked this footage um do you think it's even possible in the future to even ask this guy if we can ever find him uh about this whole situation uh that's all I got thanks Thomas yeah if you watch I think a lot of the podcasts I've revealed that I did reach out to him actually so we were able to figure out who the leaker was so again if you're a debunker go ahead and figure out who the person is who faked these videos bring the source material because you should at least be able to do that we we were actually able to figure out who the person was leaked them from the evidence and I did call him he hung up when I called him um I didn't want to harass him I don't think anyone else should harass him uh I did contact his lawyer as well and talked to a clerk from the lawyer's office on a Sunday weirdly they called me back uh but they didn't the lawyer never called me back instead what happened was they sent me a email which looked like marketing email but they haven't sent me anything else uh actually they sent me two total emails but the first one was from like a seminar that happened like a week and a half before I before the email came there was about court Marshals and the implication of the new law that was coming through for whistleblowers which I think just got nixed actually like today um and that's really sucks because maybe that law maybe that was a message on them saying like hey this law could have changed the circumstances but I think the reality is the only way that that person is going to be able to speak if they even want to speak I mean they spent six years plus in prison if they're the person who leaked these videos right imagine the psychological toll on somebody um that they need a full pardon from the president that's the only way because because they had that uh prison sentence that plea deal that they took there's no way they're legally allowed to talk about the videos and based on the fact that they came out with a statement saying like how damaging it was for their country my personal opinion is that they thought these were UFOs that they were looking at you know aliens non human intelligence and that's why they thought they weren't doing damage to the country and I think that later on they were told as they were being charged that no you didn't just leak UFO videos you leaked our highly classified technology that could put us at risk to China and Russia Etc which is why I've had my own qualms about disclosing the videos in general because if they are real then I might be damaging my own country which and you know risking a lot frankly not just not me like for me personally but like for the country for our safety um and so yeah that's kind of the long and short of the answer for you there good question Thomas Ashton you should include or I don't know if you have is that included in your Congressional letter like just a blanket uh amnesty from the president for whoever the leaker is it came after so that's why it's not in there I was thinking about doing a different version of it because a lot of the information there's out of date actually even the science is out of date I was still referencing a wormhole back then um and that just again shows goes to show how much the evidence and the investigation has progressed um we have found so much more evidence since that letter was put out that basically proves it has to be Edward C Linn the time frame now is like one month he was assigned to the Squadron February 2014 he got reassigned March 25th 2014 right after MH370 investigation began April 2nd 2014 he was caught with the flight manifest from search and rescue operation in May with which is just a month after that his next assignment after he gets reassigned is the brig so they reassign him probably because they dis suspected him right because he got caught from a citric session so they knew somebody leaked it and probably didn't take them a long period of time to narrow down to him I mean that time frame of just a couple weeks is exactly what I would have thought from somebody who recorded this on a citric session and then they have to build a case against him they catch him with the flight manifest probably from MH370 um and yeah I mean I think that it's I I can't imag imagine it being anyone else like I said on Julian dory's podcast I said that if anyone out there can come up with somebody who fits the bill better than this guy please do I think it's impossible so I think that that I think that that evidence of Edward C Lyn if you were gonna if if if there were truth here and something were leaked that was the most impressive find I personally that I heard from my seat I mean that obviously there's a ton there um that guy would strong evidence if we were looking at it that way I think that's a good find thanks Julian appreciate that I love that and I love that interaction hell yeah so last hands and then like I said I recommend including that in the updated letter because that that just has a bar in itself like we're requesting a pardon for this dude like it got it just got real all feels up in here guys I think Smith then now I don't want jul Smith and then yeah so Smith hold on quick Panda are we gonna um stop letting people up should I stop approving people are we just gonna this going to be it the rest of the yeah we want the truth and we can handle it guys um I don't know I guess we my disc currently closed it's by invite only so if it's somebody I trust let them in go ahead the anomaly is why people get so bu13 Eastern Danny Jones Julian Dorian Ashton Forbes MH370 chat with Tupac Cabra with your host red panda koala UFO history of news documentaries free on YouTube click that link hey repost the space it's recording Ed yeah I wanted to say uh I was listening to the space earlier and uh enjoying it and then I'm like what is this going on because this concrete podcast which is like number one podcast they listen to okay so I run over there I'm listening to this guy and I'm like what this guy Ashton man he's like King of the normies and I mean that with so much respect I ran to his Twitter I'm like dude okay I followed him well he followed me I'm like why you follow me bro but thanks so I followed you back and then I was like okay that came full circle with this this other guy comes in here with his Emmys and [ __ ] and I think it really speaks to like the future of media news act info all this stuff right like the amount of work you've done as is really impr we should listen to this I think that no matter what people agree there's something fishy and you know uh there's some you know it's super interesting stuff good conversation and it makes for good content so it's really good for the community it came full circle for me back here here to the community I kind of scred around the UFO Community U this gu's nice uh I'll catch you out there thanks for listening hell yeah thank you Smith thanks SM we get to that was amazing by the way nor my new uh thing um thank you guys for allowing me to speak um uh you know I just want to just make a few points just a couple of minutes so uh look I have had a look at um Herm ready for the YouTube size of guys Ed and it is um I I have to admit that it is very thorough um I I personally think that the way he's gone about it is is that I think he's been the most the biggest skeptic about this he looked at the videos and this is my mindset he's looked at the videos and said look um you know in order to um so soal U make sure that the the this is accurate he's gone back look at the timelines the evidences I think I think he's been been the biggest skeptic more than MC West as well but what has his investigation has led him to actually join the dots and actually I the way he come comes across the conference comes from the fact that you know all the evidence look at the evidence on his um the timeline on his thing I was very very pleasantly surprised that the person done such thorough investigation um and I'm just purely looking at from an investigation perspective have a look at the investigation I think he's been the biggest uh critic uh critic of of you know the so-called timelines and trying to piece together systematically um what actually happened right so this is not something he's conjured up or something and I really respect him for that again uh and I also looked at Julian's thing um his podcast as well he's done a great job and I think uh we all need to agree just by looking at one VFX or something uh you you cannot look at it in isolation you have to look at the holistic U evidence that U which actually makes sense so I personally think looking at I've actually spent trust me I've spent hours and hours and hours and just want to add one other thing before I um uh uh you know give up the mic um is I understand the science um and the science makes sense that the uaps are real um the the orbs that were um identified in that particular video um you know it obeys the laws of physics and um I think we want more information I think salvator Pas is the um you know is the one theories closely match the technology uh so have a look at that and um um have a look at the look at the evidences from a holistic perspective if any doubts you've got look at the systematic points that he's uh you know been the biggest skeptic I think bigger than M MC West as well but then he's actually gone and and actually done the research to debunk or just to make sure that he's covered all the basis I think we have to respect him for that and I I personally want to salute him for the the amount hours he spends selfless he doesn't earn a dime from this but he just wants to get down to the truth so I respect him for that thank you thank you Levi I think those are some really uh some I mean honestly great points nice words the data that Ashton has produced is I've never seen anything like it we look at these cases like I've been in spaces for so long talking to people who like live near cash Landrum and you know who know people who know people all this stuff and that's great but never have I seen an investigation into a case where you get this many points of data it's all just based off somebody's book from somebody else's story from some other anecdote and it's like okay but here we have something in the modern our time our time it's modern time the most modern I got you you know it's uh question you can if you don't want to have your thing in the chat you yeah that's what I like to want to celebrate too about as you not to be like totally like dick riding or anything but he's put in work that would be great to see other people do on other cases you know and we have seen some targeting going on and I just want to forget to other people Julian I I probably came off strong to you with my post I I just saw a lot of people retweeting it my tweet even me having this discussion with you or like bringing this up like this and anybody who's and any kind of content creation let alone like UFO like [ __ ] where it's been covered up forc PO there's gonna be fishiness that goes on and anybody who's trying to make content just needs to kind of be aware of that and not saying like you this is like the first day post content so and so said this to me right before and that put you in a head space and I'll be the first to ITP you know I think he owns it too but uh I I don't I want you to know that like I'm not trying to like tear you down Julian by any means like like genuinely is coming from it's all on the game yeah hell yeah and I mean I want to address the elephant in the room real quick before we get to the hands obviously this isn't my my normal account why do I have to face under this random ass account because my first one was uh struck down with a false claim very weird that would happen you know nothing false about it nothing like you got permanent band or what tell us about it tup Carlos did the claim Carlos thanks Carlos you outed yourself again so yeah um it's a claim against the post where uh there was a recording of king milk fart admitting that he made up a a false accusation of a sexual assault using just a random someone with the same name as his Target and posted it and his excuse for it was well the guy didn't deny it you know that was up to him and uh I I commented what was my comment exactly falsely accusing somebody of rape just to smear them publicly is crazy that's what I said and that's what got that's what got struck down and I think it is crazy I stand by that I don't think I think what's crazy is your obsession with I actually think that the Striking that down calling attention to something like that right is important especially in this community and to strike it down you know with a false claim is putting more people at risk of this Behavior if you think accusing somebody of right falsely online just to smear them is something that should be done I'm sorry I'm not I'm not GNA [ __ ] with you I think that that's crazy I think there's talk takes it on the we've seen a lot of people get with that same thing and they just leave and think about all the good work he's [Music] done might be like that could have all just gone away if he didn't have such a strong where team team you know he never called Heed you know yeah I was told don't judge anybody time meisten I thought that was just hater [ __ ] and then yeah came out come to find out strong chin is really important here and staying the course kind of like what you're what you want to believe if if people are going to come at you hard it becomes part of the shield you have they Mass report it too and if it if it if it encourages more research and more open um conversation that's great right but if it shuts it down G is talking about stuff that's very similar to especially in public forums when this is being presented you know that's what I think feel you know they want to feel like feel yeah that's that's about like that should be the tagline forace people want to feel exciting for everyone to see this happen lot of feelings up in here and having a little say it gets people kind of going and it really helps with the support right but again the evidence should should fall where it falls right curisma and charismatic leaders is not NE not People based on followers we have enough right let's just get to the to the data and I kind of like that you have um real thorns on you Ashton to a degree that's reasonable but still offensive but reasonable it's not [ __ ] crazy no one's going to strike you down for this you know what I mean you're just kind of hard to get hard to agree with I think to a certain degree and um but you are here taking on the chin yeah I am genuine though but yeah I just wanted to say that and I just want to rate a beautiful we had was uh you know Julian saying like that stuff about Edward Lynn was very compelling and was hard work and as being like thank you for that like it's beauty of spaces right I feel like hopefully that even just that one little interaction was will help make their little whatever relationship or not they have kind of back I don't know mistress than Sonic gravity yeah uh thanks for letting me up to speak and I'm aan of your podcast actually saw the stuff you did with uh uh James Fox and um yeah info I wonder if it's still the thank you brother nice to meet you too yeah you think for a guy doesn't who thinks it's all fake like why is why is always here with someone who was also in contact with Ashton and we had a conversation last night talks about me every really in relation to a bunch of things um she was kind of drunk at the time Inc pixie um Ashton and I we both know her her real name um the military and a bunch of people within the Pentagon they know her real name thank you very much and we always been able to Super Chat uh I set it up like a few days ago I didn't know what it did but allows you guys to donate money so that's pretty sweet I heard mention appreciate that man hey shyen hell yeah which I just want to let you know I appreciate the stuff you said I've always enjoyed our chats and I said that in the chat while you were talking that she was very scared and she said she knows where mh37 he is and uh yeah she was so emotional that yeah thank you Sean again very appreciate the donations to the ground we're using that money to upgrade our production she was in absolute tears so he was I'm hoping she's okay but the the thing that's worrying me is what was I goog that I feel like we're going to get you guys got me sidetracked truth but I I don't feel like uh that is going to be someone joined the panel ask TJ career indry we'd s here for like an hour and the the the other thing that she said was uh you know she's worried for everyone CU you know like Tupa you've spoken about this how people are being you know targeted and harassed and accounts to getting banned left and right harass of the wazu ridiculous tactics illegal tactics oh we're still at the top see it in real time we still at the top of infow war from two days ago still training top crap good you two days ago we're still trending we're trending above the the fake terrorist but around the wo who want the truth and damn we're still training feeling you know like that's wild that cut has been made in the military it's going be hard to keep quiet now guys and it's going to start bleeding out and and uh it's not going to be pretty is that Alex Jones and I I just worry for everyone involved because yeah you know like you see it as kind of like an in this isn't too bad I mean it's rightwing stuff be kind of well yeah yeah to borrow a word from luel zondo you know it's going to be somber brid a great that was the impression I got yeah once again Sean thank you very much for that I that way that's a really good point to leave that on I want to get over to the rest of the hands before I do I want to mention that I shared a link I just want to repeat that need their money you don't need to give it to me you don't need to give it to this case we'll make it work without it but I do obviously all the donations no dude I appreciate you the work you do like it's crazy who you're talking to and it's also like just refreshing I like yeah we're spending our Fridays in the conspiracy world of topics that I think a lot of everybody in ufology should Vibe with UFO Twitter definitely Vibes with was the motivation for the appearance and yeah so there's a link up there with the you know we've talked about we're all conspir I didn't even think Dan was that bad actually I was kind of surprised by how netive com you guys don't follow it I did not think it would be that do to be in this I was I was confident I knew we weren't going to get dunked on people who talk outside of oh ghost 915 motorcycling this isn't a good brother you're on the right path than much we get the more ideas we get and frankly the more we have is good never going quit people start canceling each other for thinking outside the box when they start to um utilize tactics that show clear lack of character right then it's like oh what are we doing what the hell is yeah you have to be pretty open-minded to accept all this especially because lied so much about this case not going to run it was kind of surprising how easy it was to uncover the definitely be able to keep it open and make sure that we can you know on is about on fire like it really broke the Paradigm with how this was being controlled online through 280 characters at a time and through this kind of inclusion in the Inner Circle Outer Circle thing I got to do some work it just memes it was nonstop salt and spaces people can really hear you podcasts like Julian's and Danny's people can really hear you the production quality you guys put into it the ping you guys show for it it shows it shows I saw you just got like a new studio like everything's like it's well deserved you know what I mean you guys really put your heart and soul into it and the same I think the same thing goes for I hope I never get a big head about this stuff presentations differ you guys's presentation style yeah I put Ash's Channel up in the nest too and so did I put Danny's stuff in there so go everyone listen to the space go like and follow all yeah I don't know how it is also there's a guy I don't know if he's in but he he commented there in the thread he said I'll put 20 grand on soal Julian friend or friends in CGI that can replicate I guess the video and give give him two years instead of five months to do it I mean I that's true serious that's a long time we only need 70 days though I honestly think that you know it's a betting on the corridor crew is really smart because of their the work they put into stuff I me honestly but TBD TBD some of Flawless they're going to create something some of it's like you know it's getting there that's probably what they'll do next they TR to create something lot someone brought up earlier that not everything they do is like to that Perfection but we'll find we'll find an eror in there you should get them in a space that would be so good as long as it yeah as long as it you know stayed cordial I think it'd be super dope those guys are classy he not listen to those the two guys that's the crew sorry not two guys but that's the crew I would have picked to to look at this video there's a couple other ones and I think didn't you say like they were still kind of even after it all they were kind of like these are pretty interesting videos right oh yeah yeah that's right Nico said that he said uh look these don't fault yourself you know he said you know if you wanted to look into these or or you were not not even take he didn't even say if you were taken by if this is the level seriousness you take these are real like these are very real videos there just a couple key things level seriousness I'm not really interest CGI you know and hey look we're looking at real videos let's make fun of them with the movement that sells it right say what Logan it was like the movement he says like the movement that's like that's what sells Itor guy the clean movement of the the plane yeah yeah let's see here watch videos and make fun of them and pretend like we everyone sees it's compell it's like you know we just want to we just want to either and then put stupid pictures and videos and stuff they don't have to think about it how that's my op super super weird this is this is the people this is the major studio and then we'll probably wrap up here y yeah I was gonna say there a qu Crew episode coming out shortly I guess next week or something like that where you know this case kind of continues continues on through there yeah let's go yeah unfortunately they put picture of the Bigfoot and ghosts cartoon ghosts let me raise my hand um actually I just want to tell you that I your video and everything convinced like I believe it 100% these were already authenticated when I hear you talking about of the video I think and I'm not a CGI person or anything so right to hammer everything's a nail I'm not really convinced like by those kinds of analyses because like I think if I no one's GNA find the physics and everything has to follow the picture and I don't think that anybody would fake as crazy a picture of that you know the way it just kind of flashes and it's gone you know with like no debris when I think about like you know free body diagrams of the physics of like you know what happens to the you know the the ailerons and all you know the little you know parts of the plane that are how does everything like implode like that one thing that I'm concerned about when I listen to your like I think we like I believe it's 100% real um but I think the proof is in sort of the metadata of the capture like you know whoever you know capture obviously this guy's in jail or something I mean like to me that that's like okay it's real like you know what I mean like nobody nobody CGI yeah I don't do the drama guys just the drama is boring to me when I listen to your explanation like what happens like if you know I mean the has to be observed so when aees like that U videos you'll find it it's right top they to debunk had to go somewhere where did it go no that's exactly it man soals MC squ right so that's why it's not cloaking because we see the smoke Trail stop right if it was cloaking still the smoke trail behind it it can't be Annihilation because equals MC if it gets annihilated then we would see a lot more energy right it's a nuke yeah exactly but a bigger nuke because it's 777 so it would be destroying part of the planet so that's why it has to be according to science at least as we know it right now it has to be some form of teleportation it has to be going somewhere else if as long as those videos are real that means that mass has to go somewhere so that's why we've been digging into that digging into that side of it talking to physicists engineers people are doing engineering experiments to try to prove that they can create gravitational waves um and that's why I created my podcast is that I want to understand that so that's the hardest for me to understand and wrap my brain around right I can understand the double slit experiment I've seen it you know I've watched it I've actually even done the experiment in real life when I was in high school but I want to understand okay how can we do this to a macroscopic object how do we do this to a 777 because to me that's basically magic and if that's real that shatters my understanding pre iously of really our entire reality is that you know to me now we live in a simulation where essentially magic can exist I mean moving a teleporting to 777 having it seemingly revert to some kind of wave function where it can just be moved and set down somewhere uh I would recommend listening to my interview with Bob Greener and Salvador Pas um they're a little bit long two to three hours but man they are very smart and I am not at their level with that yet but the last thing I will say is that from the people I've talked to the secret seems to be in electrical engineering um if that's the area of science you want to get into with this kind of quantum stuff Advanced scientific propulsion electrical engineering is the place to be um it all has to do with currents and creating uh room temperature super conductors and having these fields get kind of Trapped uh around toroids and other unusual shapes that can trap these fields uh very interesting stuff that I had never considered or thought about before hey if you want to DM me I'll I'll tell you how I think that happens I'm actually putting a DARPA proposal together because I created an anti-gravity generator and I turn it on and I got about a half a pound lighter there so if adise people about this if you guys invent something like this or an engine that runs on water just keep it to yourself you know what I mean no man you got to tell everybody like I don't know get KNC CU like you know because because you don't want anybody because just like you're talking about like that that person said I'm not feeling SU I can't tell you how many people even Ross Kart said hey thanks shobi thanks every careful and so that's why I don't think the arm are acting like eyes all out on my podcast experiment hi it's not like you can shut me up by you know just like you know send somebody to the house you know so I mean yeah sweet well thank you Sonic we're gonna get over to that's weird now great points and I hope you guys hit it up in the DM just F like Sonic is a uh he's a structural engineer he's like a genius little guy right he's like a retired army ja pretty he's pretty dope sorry go ahead oh this was the one I used to watch hey Sonic to that point uh same reason that uh Eric Weinstein I like this one because this is this really explains it right you shoot through one and what are you going to get on the other side one oneit right for publishing so he couldn't get two what you get two slits right this is what we would expect published it that's what You' expect what really happens anyway I it's funny I got to this thing Ashton tons of credit dude I got to this thing with project unities video instead we get a wave pattern like this old or new to this case it feels like old in some way for some reason when you shoot the through two slits it creates a wave P follow when I followed you when and I I fell down a rabbit hole since then your uh your video with Salvador Pas was great but I really like the the Bob Green Greener one that really clicked yeah me too man Bob Green click after that I went back and watched Jesse Michaels video with Hal put off and Eric Weinstein and that's where what Sonic was just saying so creates the wave pattern now what happens if we watch though and really what Bob Greener was saying all kind of click together so if we if we put a an observer here to watch and try to figure out which one it goes through what happens is Material Science pattern changes that's what's been going on if You observe it clearly says it right there there says it within the video I've got two patents and a company forming around uh we think the way he says it it is topological physics the act of observing breaks down the Wun watch Jessie Michaels video with pal put off and Eric Weinstein watch the first 30 minutes of Sal Pi doesn't like these videos anyway check out if you want to know how this all works observation changes the way function the debunking part which strikes me so weird is that it's the very end and like oh it's a it's a 90s video game image well wouldn't that be a great way to cover up what actually happened with just a 90s video game image F or a frame or two or whatever else if the rest of the video was perfect but then just that one spot is off I mean and mck West it's a great smear it's a great smear it's a great headline smear that's the easiest way to write it off oh it's a of getting tired we're going have to go to sleep here soon this has been like what three hours sitting in here ridiculous they they just salted that very end piece and that's what's so interesting is that that's what's being debunked I don't even care what I'm really yeah appreciate it Sher Jimmy James everybody in the chat thank you guys greatly appreciate you guys made me understand Eric Weinstein who I've listened to and been following since 2016 and it takes super hard to follow him but I'd love trying to figure it out Bob Greener does purp I I agree I agree and I fall forward I dig it but listening to Bob Greener talk about it and then going backis put up and Eric do a little dance if you watch and if you look at my Twitter I kind of I kind of put it out there check out Bob pretty spicy videos because I think the science side of this this needs to go it's scientifically it's Poss because what Eric says and what Hal agrees with it's not rewriting uh general make sure you guys like the stream I don't know what that does gr into the next phase gr still works but this is the next pH phase and and Hell say kind of related he said like U soon as you snap a picture happen you see one state we're not really sure no one can adequately explain the double extal Dimensions I think that the best explanation of Double SL experiment is the universe is aware of itself we can see in front of us really hard damn near impossible is to think we can use quantum teleportation quantum teleportation is also known as quantum entanglement non one those ideas with with Joe Rogan I think but yeah thanks that's weird we got some more hands up I know that Red's probably got to wrap this up I don't even know what time it is on the East Coast right now um so who's next was it Fletcher producers for probably a lot of people fell for the debunk man all right a lot of faith in a lot of people one of the things I want to say about this this you UFO space is like really esoteric you know the the only information comes from networking with each other there's not really anywhere else to get it other than just bits and pieces here here and there um and it's really easy um also there's there's more disagreement in this kind of field than I've seen in almost anything else um so who's this Fletcher and I think that's just part of part of this whole thing um one of the things that I would like to see is I don't know maybe it's already been done another independent so some people actually argue they could be in super position and all that other stuff geter really really good one that can dive into the code of this video and find out exactly what background going on thank you guys though for being here what exact has been done to it you know Project Unity in here I don't think so you know to the uh you know that crew who analyzed it maybe um maybe part of the stuff that they were seeing that wasn't um they said could be CGI that could just be part of the AI system of the camera because you buy a new camera these days um phone you take a picture of it phone does tweaks to it right after you take the picture um so it could just be part of that um univers the main thing for me is that this kind of Falls in line with everybody else that's been talking about all this stuff government whistleblowers Anonymous or non Anonymous where is this analysis going other dimensions uh Robo good question the analysis is going you know back TJ wondered like why I'm doing this these other really credible people we're trying to get the truth out we do that get as many people as possible we force an answer from media analing I think I think it falls in line with everything else that's going on so I mean if you're going to just write this off as nothing kind of have to write everything else off because it falls in line with all the same same conversations um yeah that's pretty much all I got no thanks man I don't think you're the only one who think okay so we'll get to Jon then robit then Carlos then end with Zay yeah the space was healthy Ian this was good uh guys yeah I'll try um this is probably more for Ashton um so I was listening to the Dan Jones podcast today and when they went to the part where they uh they were showing the video of the VFX guy debunk um they kept talking about the cameras and all the cameras work but as far as I know all the camera Tech on the mq1 Drone or the satellites it's all classified it's all classified um technology right so how can we compare that to uh the civilian the the the technology that we have on the civilian side and say that oh it should act that way uh it's to me this is not a oneon-one because the termal camera on the mp1 is probably far better or can catch more information than we can with any thing that we have on the civilian side they were they were saying oh you can't see the smoke on this thermal camera but what what tells us that we cannot that the mq1 camera cannot see smoke on it so I don't know Ashton if you went over that point yeah no I mean I I did mention that like you know what we were looking at there was not a thermal camera it's an electro IR camera multispectral targeting camera that had a thermal layer added over the top which I think they missed um and I I don't know we're in a good spot so I don't really want to dunk on any more people or anything like that but reality I think is that if we are if people are going to try to put a debunk out there like at least look through the evidence beforehand right um a lot of the stuff that was mentioned on there the reason why during that podcast I was taking notes in the middle of is because I already heard everything um so I think that people should go out there and look at the evidence if they want to try to debunk it I've been pretty clear that people should go and attack the evidence not attack me I mean there's all out there pinned to my profile I mean you are a fraud though so I mean it's hard not Carlos I try to give you a chance but yeah just just some people have mental issues you gotta leave them be you know it's it's disturbing um but yeah so you know I think that uh like like I was saying that the the cameras you got to look into what the cameras are right and a lot of it too is classified so interestingly enough though a lot of what we revealed has come from the debunking side of it like people would claim that oh well the the satellite can't be should be moving faster right and then we find out this whole video about cbers that's just available out there on locki Martin and explains everything about it and it actually is corroborated then by the fact that we have this low frame rate six frames per second because what we're looking at isn't the satellite looking down and we know too because we see the coordinates moves which would be pretty much what we would expect from a Google Earth right when we look at the coordinates if you're just looking at a satellite looking down that's moving you're probably not going to be looking at the coordinates you don't need that because you're just looking at wherever the satellite's looking right but if you're moving it around that's essentially telling us that we're not moving the satellite around what's happening is we're looking at a Google Earth that's taking satellite data from all over the world all the time um and that's why I'm really appreciative of kim.com posting that and reposting that I think that we were able to uncover stuff and technology that most people weren't even aware about you know so that's part of the most interesting thing about this case in my mind very true I don't want to give this any way first of all I think thank you Jordan Perez you're bringing some compelling data to the table as we appreciate your dedication of the subject learning something new every day uh so obviously I mean you posted a video about I don't even want to give it credit but you posted video about that Global Network of satellites let's not dunk on Julian he was he was nice at the end talk about Flat Earth well that's kind of important to because that's messaging we see coming from Matt Ford and Bangkok Ford so that's totally part of their like is to tie him is a flat earther yeah so it's like bring also bring sorry what were we saying Tupa I'm sorry uh yes or no flat Earth what's going on I'm not a flat earther I believe in okay okay I just had to I mean obviously we had I did not know that though red like red panda said though I mean a lot of this is to try to discredit my position and make me seem like some sort of woo woo type person right which is you know part of the reason why I don't dig into anything esoteric it's not that I want to hate on esoteric stuff like psychic stuff remote viewing it's just that you can see already how the attacks form right they're looking for an angle to try to discredit me from whatever I can whatever they can do right I even heard like the Russian propaganda thing come from one of the more prominent UFO accounts that have been against me it's like dude I have a literal security clearance for the US government I'm not a Russian spy and this is not Russian propaganda I think if anything you want to call me king of the normies I'll take that I'll take that uh whatever characterization hell yeah so then robit and then Z and then we'll close it out thank you Jimmy quickly thank you guys thank you Jordan Perez again appreciate those awesome hey I know we were chatting last we actually finally talking about get too heavy in the questions but yeah I'm with you man you know that stuff that you're bringing up sure it does fit right videos people it but no it kind of fits the bill because you know I know I know that flight one thing happened over onec and it lost radio contact and sat calm and it starts turning around but you know why didn't it land it it started to go somewhere else you know and then it's going over some other ocean and it loses radar contact and then somehow it re R tried to link up a satcom so it disappeared for three minutes you know so maybe the some military people's you know moved it out of there or or some UFO stuff moved it out of there you know like a Teleport because they did move it but yeah it was in trouble for quite a while it's like they were attacking it you know once over one ocean and then again over the other ocean it it almost looked like that one of those orbs kind of say it came so close to the bottom of the plane maybe it ignited the lithium with all the energy that it has you know because it sort of looks like it almost balanced off it and then there's a little Puff smoke in that video that you put out so that's cool that's real cool Ashton yeah so yeah maybe on you know like even the old guys like me that listen to coast to coast and stuff you know we've we've listened to it before and but that this kind of just adds a whole new you know cherry on the top right so right on man hey thanks for all let me come up thanks robit appreciate that and uh yeah I'll be on Coast to Coast on Sunday morning I guess I got the time wrong I'll probably most the updated thing if so if you want to listen live I think it's 3:00 a.m. eastern I'm going to be on with Richard cyer CIT he is really good I did a podcast with him um so I hope to not let you guys down and present some strong evidence there as well so thanks a lot for listening man sweet and then Zay and then we'll get some last words from the panel Zay uh thanks I'll just start with a comment and then the question um Ashton you talking about esoteric stuff and things like that a lot of what we're dealing with is not actually esoteric it is actual physics time space physics it is it's the science of existence and our science actually understands the beginning of it and for me I speak for myself I don't deal in W what I talk about is actual physics and there's somebody else called uh L luci's Labs he also has produced books and YouTube videos explaining the physical yeah great so he has and there lots of others and they probably don't hang around UFO Twitter for now obvious reasons my only issue I had with those guys podcast is like that's not how they treated other people Le I only found that out afterwards maybe if you can just summarize where to next both within the interactions of what has been spoken about and in general with the work that you're going to do related to that missing flight or other that would be great to know thanks you can take it Ashton if you want to start yeah um so yeah I appreciate that and I didn't mean to offend anybody like again I'm I'm not against the esoteric stuff I think that if the double slit experiment's real and you know essentially magic is pretty much real if we can teleport something then it's really hard to judge anyone in terms of any type of uh esoteric stuff psychic readings things like that it's just a matter of I can't tie to the case because you will have people attacking me over I just can't leave there be any more Avenues of attack uh it's already big enough it's already hard enough to believe in that front terms of what comes next um the purpose here is to try to make it self-evident self-apparent so if you get I think the evidence is so strong that all we have to do is get it to enough people where then it becomes impossible to ignore right right now the media is ignoring it as you see it's getting bigger and bigger we still have the number one article on Infowars for two days straight Anonymous re made a video that they posted out there that's pretty much just highlighting my work etc in general but again this isn't about me I never want it to be about me if other people want to take the evidence run with it come with their own stories please do the more people that do the less heat is on me and I don't mind that at all um so yeah that's really what the the purpose of this is and maybe one day we will make a documentary I would love to have a documentary because I think the point of that is that we can make one way better than the Netflix one that's out there I just think it's crap I'm just going to [ __ ] on it and uh I think that as well that our documentary will get to a bunch of people and I think it'll resonate with people and people will enjoy it I have a lot of people tell me that I would never listen to something for two hours but when I listen to you talk about the evidence you know they can get through the whole thing which I think is some of the highest praise I can get so that's my uh final thoughts thanks everybody yeah I I I think I probably shouldn't have swor there that's going to get me and this has been be like a dog in in this entire space here but the official story and huge air quotes that we've gotten about this thing is obviously total [ __ ] and something crazy happened here what I guess is still up for debate and I I yeah never giv up man love to get to the bottom of that it's yeah the new headset's more comfortable 10 years now but in a weird frh it's not like the JFK assassination so many years ago people are dead like the people around this are alive today so it's it's fascinating yeah as far as like the issue I had with those podcast they just didn't come into with an open mind personally haven't made any plans for that um you know I'm kind of focused on getting to my next episodes with stuff and staying up to date with the with the case but if there's an opportunity that presents itself is it about this that makes people so angry Bea the podcast where we can look through evidence and I think it's I'd love to see Ashton Julian Dory one day I feel like that would uh solve all the all the problems and that's how you get disclosure but do I know both you guys have uh podcast do you have any guests you're excited for coming up you want to talk about oh yeah I have uh Brian I I have Brian keading coming on next week um great guy just recorded with him so that that was a really good sit down um I got did you guys touch touch this I'd love to hear his take on these videos no no because I we did not get to that we did get to some UFO stuff but we didn't talk any mh3 370 unfortunately um got Lawrence Krauss coming in I have Nick pop won be talking about but we'll see desk in Britain um I got Paul rosley I also do not like being a Schism in the community I think that's just what happens when the evidence is this strong Ashton oh yeah so this Sunday uh at so I got a double header I'm GNA be on that Coast to Coast early in the morning and then at 1M Eastern I've got Dave Rossy who is going to talk about Advanced propulsion and some of the experiments that he's been doing and we're going to talk about the videos and what he thinks is going on the videos because I think that I've talked to a lot of different engineers and physicists and everybody's ideas are very closely aligned but it feels like everybody's got their own kind of take on it um and so that's why I'm trying to reach out to a bunch of different people and so I can understand it in totality so yeah check that out at 1M Eastern hell yeah and let's get some hearts in the chat from everyone for Ashton and Julian and Danny who was here earlier Julian I feel like we kind of got on a bad foot because that post but I was just I saw so many people quoting your thing who I know hadn't ever quoted you before and I do think wor yeah we have to prove how the video made or we have to we honestly have to get Edward L is really the only way we're not going to Pro where the went you know we're all getting influenced by certain things and we just got to be aware of that [ __ ] so hell yeah thanks for being here guys Tupa Logan you guys want to say anything close it up I I'll make we down here for this 250 mes the fact that we have people with the caliber of Julian and Danny in here at all addressing this with this speaks stuff that we could do things out in real time going to happen I'm going to throw TJ I think it just speaks to every to right to come and everybody uh got to learn who everybody is and the takeway is follow everybody bro like the research done on this panel the stuff legendary stream this was a good one guys glad you guys enjoyed this glad you guys joined my commentary TJ no personal feeling no hard feelings we love you so check out his jul Danny no jul against you sing on you guys dur this not my too much but I think it helps at least it's not my intention to divide you know I just try to break things down with humor so hope you guys don't take take it personally it's good it's it's good to talk to out same with Corridor crew as well nothing personal against you guys uh I hope you guys can find you know the person that made these videos then put it all cool guys well I got something to close out the space uh thanks everyone for being here hopefully check out everyone's stuff check out Julian stuff okay we're gonna close out of there um and then so yeah thank you guys everybody for being in here tonight um talking about all this we do have a big uh big podcast on Sunday tomorrow is going to be a very very busy day guys uh we're going to be be probably trying to get this video pushed out which I I was supposed to do today but I had some emergency stuff happen um had a flat tire that I had to take care of had to cancel a podcast spent three hours with the alien addict guys um we sat and we watched the Danny Jones podcast and reaction to that and then you just saw what we just did here for the last few hours as well going through all this um and it was it was a long day so tomorrow we will get back to some content probably I will most likely be streaming and we're going to be preparing for the interview and yeah digging into the science it's going to be fun man it's going to be a lot of fun thanks everybody who's been joining recently if you want to get caught up on what's going on uh you can find the evidence Link at the top of my Twitter profile here alternatively you can dig into some of the recent interviews I think that if you want to just hear about the drama side of it you know alien addict and I had a good discussion that wasn't really about digging into the videos it was about talking about about what's been going on and everything this is a good one to listen to and then if you want to get into the scci uh you know the story of it what's the best one to listen to chat uh probably at the mic with Keith this one was really good if you want to get caught up recently so you can listen to my space on my podcasts I'm also going to be publishing the list of all the podcasts for the hardcores that are out there that want to listen to everything I mean there's a lot you can see we've had a lot a lot a lot going on so thanks everybody thanks all my bots out there yeah that have been that have been fighting you know bringing the word out there let everybody know about the videos be courteous to people a lot of people are going to have a hard time believing in the videos so we can't attack them if they don't believe in the videos let's just try to reach the people who are open-minded who are willing to look at the evidence and so yeah I think that's it everybody have a great night we will talk tomorrow peace everybody if I can figure out how to close the Stream