Free Energy, Plasma Weapons, and the Tech Decades Ahead of Its Time | Hard Truths with Bob Greenyer

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Bob Greener, welcome back to Hard Truth, sir. How are you doing today? Doing very well. Yes, Ashton, thank you for having me. What is new in the world of cold fusion these days? Or sorry, low energy nuclear reactions? Well, uh you could consider it cold because it's not at the sort of millions of degrees that hot fusionisters uh would claim you need to do what is in their w uh view going on in the sun. However, uh we call it low energy nuclear reactions um and have done for a while. Well, we're just about to come up to the conference next week in Maroka in Japan and this is when international researchers in the field meet to discuss where they are. So, uh next week I will be able to give you some right on the money updates. But going into the conference, it does seem like Clean Planet in Japan are one of the leaders. Uh they are one of the major hosts and sponsors of the the conference this year. So, I'm really looking forward to uh hanging out with uh Ilwamura and seeing what he has to say. They have devices which they hope to put into production in the coming years. The these are based on lay very thin layers of materials and they're passing dutyium through it and they have a manufacturing process. They have a huge number of patents. Now, these patents can be design patents. they can be how um they make the particular lead structures and so forth rather than the overall process. They have the hypothesis of the process and that often comes from different Japanese but really they're looking for a a technology that will lead to safe generation of power. So that's on the major Japanese side. We have a couple of players that are in the UK and I think in Portugal or maybe I don't know where they are and uh these are coming out of the Anatoli Kimoff and I believe you interviewed one of them recently. It was called Did you check out the interview that I did with them? Yeah, very good. Yeah, you you you engaged very well. It was um um a short but sweet demonstration of the technology. Obviously, you can't necessarily judge it based on a video like that, but it's at least good um that that is being put out there. What did you think of it? Yeah, I thought that for me the 3.0 or higher over Unity of course is very impressive. Um but in this case, I think it was coming out in form of heat, which it presents another challenge because now you need to, you know, do something else to it to make it into usable energy. But I thought everything that he said to me, explained to me from the science perspective made sense from my own background and research. And he kind of also led me onto this idea of brilliant light power, which connects this concept of negative energy and zero point energy as well. So for me, it wasn't even so much just the demonstration and understanding it. I was kind of going back and forth in terms of like how confident I was in the commercialization of it. But then when I got to the part where he was explaining the science, I went, "Okay, well, I know this guy understands how to do it or the ideas behind it. It's just a matter of like how close." That was that was my view. So, yeah. So, um it it's kind of a um it's it's it's not the best version of that technology. Uh they're on their road to understanding it. Uh but they are working hard and they're trying to be really good with engaging with the community that's not just outside of Lena but even within Lena to try and both support them and promote them which is which is nice to see a member of the community that's actually trying to lift up other members of the community. Um their their system is based on a plasma vortex. Uh so they have a high speed jet going in there and they have a discharge between two electrodes. It's normally using metal nanop particles which essentially become part of the fuel and they transmute to other elements. Uh you can look at that through using optical spectrometry and during the live part of the experiment or you can look at it using various post experiment analytical techniques both of which Kimoff has done in the many presentations that Klimoff has done. He he showed transmutation of elements and those transmutation of elements would suggest the production of excess heat in the formation. So not only do you have the obser observance of excess heat, you have at least on a uh how should we put it this a 50,000 ft view um something that could potentially explain where the excess heat is coming from. Um, in terms of Brilliant Light Power, they have claimed although they did Lena as it was cold fusion back in the sort of early 1989 to 1991 days, they actually had a thing company or Randall Niels who's the uh the main proponent there. He had a thing called thermacore and they had this thing where they had what they called the thermocore meltdown. So they had some as far as I understand it nickel nano powder. They put some hydrogen in became very hot and they had an ejection from uh the the uh device although they say it's very hot because they saw part of the reactor turn orange and then a failure of the containment. uh uh later on they said there's no low energy nuclear reactions going on and this is take taking the normal ground state of hydrogen and reducing it to a half or a fourth or an eighth or down to uh so let me jump in because I think in either scenario it seems like the big hurdle is figuring out what is the root cause that's allowing you know this reaction where we have coefficient of performance greater than one this excess energy whether it's heat or or whatever because I also reached out to Randall Mills afterwards and got kind of very short responses from him. I also was reached out to by somebody that worked with Randall Mills. Okay. Um and had written a book about it and totally believes in the technology like 100%. Mhm. Um, but the impression I got from them in general was a very uh, you know, they were on their high horse looking down, which I thought was kind of wild considering they've put out no commercial products in 30 years. And to me, the only thing the only conclusion I could come to is they haven't really figured out what the root cause is. Cuz the moment you figure out how it works, you should be able to crack it instantly. And that's what I think all of them are really doing is that they see something and they know they can recreate the anomalous thing and they're trying to find other ways to make the anomalous thing occur, but they haven't figured out what is the secret sauce that's making it occur because then that would allow them to engineer it at any level. Is that kind of you used the key word there. You said anomalous and it's in fact the anomalies, the extreme anomalies that are the most telling of what the process potentially is. And in Randall Mills uh research, they had tungsten and malibdinum X uh electrodes basically disappear or fail or containment fail. And they also had metal containment where they would get a little orange spot glowing and then it would start to bleed out the internals. Now, that doesn't make any sense because orange isn't hot enough or yellow rather, as it looked in the videos, isn't hot enough for these things to become fluid and and fail so quickly. And um I have o openly made requests to analyze these materials. And um it's been very clear for many years that I would like to analyze these. So if Randall Mills if you are looking at this now I would like to analyze those failed components because I suspect we're going to see things that we see in other technologies. So in the for instance in the Sapphire group which is now called Orient energy they had a uh some double layers set up and this is a special type of plasma configuration. And when they were trying to measure the thermal temperature uh as you go through those double layers or the field strengths, um they had this thing called a a langu probe and it was like $11,000. And they have a video where they're inserting this probe in and like in one frame of the video it the whole thing disappears. It just disappears. And again it's tungsten and tungsten has a long history from uh Irving Langure himself in developing the tungsten filament light bulb where uh it seems to fall apart. Um, there was a guy called David Hudson who came up with a thing called Ormas where he had a thumb-sized tungsten electrode and he was putting it into um a like it's an electric arc furnace where you're meant to be able to melt even refractory materials and the whole tungsten electrode disappeared. It's meant to be good for a thousand type of melting. and outside of the device and in the room he was he had things behind him made of glass that kind of fragmented and fell apart. He did this twice and did twice and realized this is going to be too expensive. So if I could summarize I mean really what you're saying is they're doing these experiments with plasma and it's eating metals away. They're just disappearing. That's a very good phrase. Yes, that is a very good phrase. It is eating the containment system. It's eating the cathode or anode or whatever it is. you know, it's eating the material components of the experiment and they're going, "Okay, how do we even do this experiment? It's eating the stuff away, corroding it away." So, obviously, there's something anomalous going on and then we're trying to figure out how to do it. The reason why I bring that up is that I've thought a lot about that is that when I look at all these experiments, the commonality seems to be that the experimental uh energy generation device or containment falls apart. Like that's what seems to be the big problem in these tokamaxs as well and they can't keep them running for a very long time because it eats it apart. So, the solution to that would be don't have the containment device. Make a bubble that doesn't have a containment device. Right? And this kind of goes back to the MH370 videos cuz like we're looking at it in those videos. It's not a matter of like theory. We're looking at it. We're looking at balls of plasma that are doing that. You are absolutely on the right line. And so there's a guy called Chukunov, Kirill Chukunov, and he created a very large microwave based uh sort of ball lightning uh chamber and he used uh fused quartz in sphere. And the interesting thing about ball lightning is it does seem to charge the air around it. And if you charge, if you have a charged object and you have fused quartz that's also charged, then the charge th those two mutual charges will repel. And so you can confine the ball lightning inside this fused quartz um and he calls it a a um coherent is like a macrocoherent object in his patterns. And what he does is he uses for uh for instance electric or sorry electromagnet or magnetic fields to stress the coherent structure in order that it gives off light uh by um interacting with a quantum coherent blob that is the ball lightning. Um there's a lot of interesting material to go and look at with Kira Chukenov's investigation of those structures and that my friend is the way you can find these things. Now the the problem is is they still break up and fire out things which will destroy the fused quartz. Yeah. Your confinement needs to be perfect like absolute perfect confinement or you just have to not care about what you want on the outside. Yeah. You don't you don't care about what the side effects are. Right. Right. You don't care what s spitting out. And then that makes me wonder then about the double layer plasma. So there to me there must be a connection because if you figured out the confinement the theory is then that you figured out how to control the magnetic fields in a perfect fashion and then if you can do that then you can separate you can you're you're double layer plasma. I believe you're referring to separate charges that have been separated out where they're there's a lot of views on what what that is the double layer specifically. Um, but there is other ways to deal with these plasmas and and to force them to um not get too greedy with materials. And it seems to be that carbon is the key because the structures themselves, they produce carbon and um they because carbon is diamagnetic, it appears to orbit around parts of the structure. And the outside of the structure on the the overall structure does appear to potentially have self- similar structures that are trying that are kind of bound around the outside. And if they're making carbon, it kind of makes a shield. And I suggested carbon uh for two reasons. Those about its diamagnetic nature, but also because it was the only thing that Nicola Tesla found could survive bombardment of etheric matter rays. H and and so if it makes it if the structures make it, then if it goes into it, it just makes more of the same or it just goes in and it comes out. And in fact, with with all this um different plasma vortex reactors being developed outside of Russia and Climoth being stuck inside re uh Russia, in a recent presentation, he said that actually we've replaced using metal nano particles as the fuel and we're just using carbon. And in fact he you can tell which carbon form he's using because he says that that we actually produced a laser in our plasma vortex reactor and it was a carbonarbon bond laser without any charge pumping without any mirrors or or you know chamber. Uh and he showed a video and the video frame had a date down the bottom and it was 2001. Wow. Let me show you because now that we're talking about this mind thought is, well, what's the next thing? So, not just confinement that you want to get rid of. If you're really going for perfect fusion, confinement is one thing. The next thing is no fuel source. Like, I don't want to have to have a tank where I have to pump something into it either. And the thing I've run across is, well, why don't we just use the air? Can we just use the air for that? We can. That's what ball lightning does, right? Actual natural ball lightning. That's what it does. And so this is look listen listen to what this paper this is from air breathing magneto hydrodnamics dirt that's out there and when it talks about endothermic fuel conversion here it talks about using a mixture of a hy hydrocarbon fuel but it says that it says here at the bottom that this would require no need to carry hydrogen from the takeoff to me hydrogen in the hydrocarbon. Yeah. So how are they doing in this theory here is they thermocatalytic cracking is if you got thermocrat catalytic cracking let's say you've got um iron um uh and basically you are able to crack say propane which is what what Climoff was using in these systems into hydrogen and carbon carbon um and so you you you end up with your eight hydrogen and hydrogen's beautiful because it has no binding energy in its nucleon. Why? Because it doesn't have any other nucleons. That's proteium. That is just a single proton. So there's no binding energy to pull it apart. It's already um a thing you can work with. It itself has its own toroidal moment and it it as a H star that is um atomic hydrogen when it's not as an H2 then it has a magnetic moment and so does a proton. A proton and a proton with an electron have magnetic moments. H2 doesn't. But it means if you've got a magneto hydrodnamic structure, magneto magneto magnetic moment, it can be pulled in and used as fuel. And it's absolutely critical with that and oxygen because oxygen um 16 and oxygen ozone uh and atomic oxygen all are paramagnetic as well. And so, and they are uniquely paramagnetic. So, oxygen and hydrogen pulling that in, you actually have a ready fuel source right there in the air. Oh my god. So, I mean, let me pull this back up again. I think we're cracking it right here. So, this is this is actually from the Ajax. This is from the Russia's secret hypersonic plane in like and they basically and he says right here, this part is probably very meaningful and probably viable. The next part is MHD energy bypass. This is perhaps the most controversial part. An MHD energy or generator extracts energy from the air upstream of the scramjet combuster. This energy byasses Let me finish. Let me finish. This energy bypasses the combuster and is put back into the flow via the MHD accelerator placed downstream of the combuster. Go ahead. So, um, just before we get into this, uh, early on in my experience working with, um, learning nuclear reactions, I got a message and I I'm kind of like, yeah, if someone wants to talk to me, let's do it. And this guy seemed to be fairly serious in military circles or whatever. I actually can't remember, but I could look through my materials and find out who it was. Um, he invited me uh to a meeting with him, so I thought, "All right, fine." And I actually paid to go to a hotel in West London, I think it was, or whatever. And I didn't know really what he wanted to talk about. I thought it was about low energy nuclear reactions. And you know what? I went out, sat down with him for a few hours. He wanted to talk about scramjets. Okay, yatsi. There we go. Why would he want to talk about scramjets? Oh, well, it turns out air breathing magneto hydrodnamics scramjets are using this crazy like upstream energy extraction. I mean, doesn't this read like they're just pulling the fuel right out of the air? Is that that's how it reads to me? The the the thing is about a solaton, it moves material out. So, a ring solar, a vortex solon, a ring, you know, like a smoke ring, it moves things out of its forward path, pulls it round, and it actually goes up its ass. and it actually feeds the process. So you have a ready fuel right in front of you all the time you're moving forward. Okay? And it is the thing that moves you forward. And so if you have a magneto hydrodnamic structure and it's able to disassemble that matter and I guess in front of you going to have things like nitrogen, oxygen, and a little bit of water vapor. You literally have fuel ready to work with. I mean this sounds like exactly what we're seeing with those orbs. Perhaps the most basic problem with MHD bypass pointed out by Dr. Riggins is that the power consump uh the propulsion power cycle it runs direction opposite to that dictated by thermodynamics. Indeed, any thermodynamic correct heat into power conversion cycle has work addition prior to heat addition and the work extraction follows from the preheat edition. This is why air is compressed upstream of a combuster in all normal propulsion cycles whether the compressor in a turbo jet or a compression ramp upstream of the scramjet combuster. In this sense, MHD power extraction before enter air enters the scramjet combuster followed by MHD power addition after the combuster constitutes a thermodynamically quote unquote wrong and thus inferior propulsion systems. But then basically says that even though this doesn't seem like it should be a real thing that we can do that it actually is going to end up working out. And so if this is true, they found a way to basically unconventionally reverse the thermodynamic process in an engine, right? I mean, they're pulling energy from the air in front of them and they're using it and then they're uh re I don't even know if they're even adding the energy back. They're just they're using that energy it seems like as part of Yeah. But are we missing something that and might actually be gaining other energy forms? That is to say, if it dis disassembles some of the protons in the water vapor in the air or it fuses those um with oxygen which we've observed in Benjamin Hang uh experiment which I published with Benjamin Huang in nature January 2024 and we've seen that then uh you're getting a huge fusion gain. If you are talking about disassembling the protons um that are available in the air or the atoms, you're talking about a much larger game. And this is what these systems appear to do. They appear to disassemble matter. So you you um you've basically got as much energy as you could possibly want and you only need to have an extremely inefficient process to give you a huge gain, much more than you're going to get from any chemical. Now what do I mean by that? If you take two hydrogen bonds, that's basically the most energy you're going to get out of any normal chemical reaction. So your two hydrogen monotomic hydrogen atomic hydrogen you fuse those to H2 that's the most chemical energy and you're talking less than around about 4 and a half electron volts right if you disassemble a proton you're getting 938 million electron volts. So you only need to do that once in a blue moon and you're getting far far more energy per proton than you are from taking two protons and chemically bonding. Wow. So you're saying they found a way where it's it's way way way more efficient than conventional fusion reaction. Yeah. Way more. It's over 150 times more energy per nucleon than fusion. See that sounds exactly what Tom Bearden was saying about tickling the vacuum is that he speaks to this idea of adding a little bit of energy in to get into this process to get this huge amount of energy back out. And we have to be looking for something that's completely unconventional to our standard way of thinking. And then boom, there you go. Oh, by the way, there's this scramjet like reverse endothermic process that they've figured out where they're sucking the energy in. Um, wow. That's incredible. Let me ask you just to change gears a little bit. So, I want to go back to the fusion reactor stuff because the more I read and learn about this, the more I'm like, what is going on with this like public fusion push? I just saw these promos for Commonwealth Fusion talking about they're building their new tokamac and uh these three companies just released their papers for new stellarator designs all at the same time. One of them is funded by Bill Gates and I'm sitting there going all of them. Was it just one of them? Are you sure? Honestly, they might all be. I really They might be funded by friends and buddies of Bill Gates. Exactly. And this is really important to bring up because even when Sabine Hosenfelder is on doing YouTube videos and she's noticing that this doesn't make any sense that she's going, these are private companies. Why are they just all publicly releasing their designs all at the same time? You know, it's almost like they have something better behind the scenes. And I just there go I'm looking at, you know, these balls of plasma that might be using this endothermic stuff and I'm going they had to have figured this out like a long time ago. That would mean that all this stuff publicly is just like a show. It's just all fake, right? Right? They're like, "Okay, we we're going to roll out the next version of the iPhone in 2027, and now the ne the next version is going to be in 2028, right?" But they could be jumping like leaps and bounds ahead, but it's all just scheduled like, "Okay, first tokamac reactors will be in 35 to to 40, and then we'll go to the stellarator design, and then by 2250, we'll finally give them the real fusion that we had back in 2025." You know what it is? What's your opinion? You know what it is? It's hope. The last thing that's left in Pam Pandora's box. Hope is something. It's an evil because hope stops people from motivating themselves to solve the problems that they could solve themselves if they clubed together and tried to solve it themselves. If you hope someone else is going to come in and save you, you think, well, why should I waste my time doing that? These people are going to come and save me. And what it does is it buys you more time with the current nonsense that you're trying to sell. You say, in 50 years, oh, sorry, in 20 years we're going to have fusion. In 20 years, we're going to have fusion. every 20 years you just jump a generation and you keep giving this hope act this evil of hope and and you don't find a solution and the people that could find a solution go off and do other things because they think someone's got that in hand so I think that's the main point here now have they got something else um I would be disappointed honestly if they haven't if if the kind of money that has been spent on research if they couldn't find out what's frankly obvious if you try and just look at nature then it I I would think they didn't really hire the brightest you know buttons uh that they could have done basically and it's a little bit weird because um it does look like there's a concerted push and it reminds me of the early years of the Martin Vlman memorial project where every time we would have a major announcement of something that we've been able to replicate or so forth the hot fusion guys would also have a a a press release and every time someone typed in fusion it would come up with their work rather than ours. It's literally their p their pencil budget is probably more than we've spent in our entire time doing research. So they could always have these things that flood the the wires with the topic of fusion when they're always the top lists. So it's a bit weird. I mean it feels very manufactured and I think that you what comes handinhand with this cover up of this fusion energy and and breakthrough energy sources is obviously a very very orchestrated and uh implemented plan to dumb people down to not understand this this science because otherwise it wouldn't be possible to hide major breakthroughs in science like that and that's the part where I think people will have a very very hard time accepting, you know, is that if for that to be true, we have to be living in essentially a manufactured reality where we're basically NPCs in a video game where someone's playing the Sims and they're deciding like when they're going to put down the next thing, you know, when they're going to level up to the next tier. I I describe this as really most of humanity are puppets on a string and it's just terrible to think that, but it is in my view true that they're always deferring to experts. They're never really choosing to think themselves for for the most part. And I know there's people that follow you and that follow my work who really do think. But and I I've had even people today are right writing to me with recent things I've said and said like why isn't this taught in schools? Uh I'm I'm starting to realize that you know things aren't as I thought they were. And that is difficult for someone because they once someone learns what they think is the truth, they don't want to have to go through the effort of learning that it isn't. It's even harder than learning the first time. And and so you have to indoctrinate people as soon as possible with the falsehood and then you're pretty much good to go for the rest of their life. I I think there's that the Jewish people, they say, "Give give me uh your boy and I'll give you your man back at seven. I'm not going to touch that one just because there's various topics I can't even even despite what I'm I'm just saying it's it's like if you have convinced a person that this is the way the universe is even by the age of seven they will carry that through to their death. Absolutely. Absolutely. And you know it's easier to fool someone than convince them that they have been fooled. I know that more than most people out there you know considering what I've been pushing out there. Absolutely easier to fool people. And I think that's the big thing too is that you have to look at this from what lessons do we need to learn. It turns out this is going to even be bigger than like free energy because we have to learn to think for ourselves. That's the hardest lesson, right? Like you said, I would say I don't even know what percentage of people, but well over 50% of people. I think we've learned I think we've learned how many in the last few years. Yeah. They're exactly like you described is that people that have been and it's not really their own fault, but it's just they've been conditioned. They've been brainwashed. Mhm. Humans are lazy. They try to get as much as possible for the least amount of effort. They don't even understand how someone could be really really wealthy when they've worked very hard. Oh, sorry. They work really hard. But yeah, but I I think I work very hard, so why am I not wealthy? You know, it's also about efficiency. Um and and so uh it it is difficult. Um I they it's not their fault and I constantly say this is not their fault. They you you grow up in a family and you you say your parents know the world and then you go out into the world and you have all these different perspectives on how to live a life and stuff when you thought the one that your parents were teaching you was the way to live a life or the people that were at school or the people in your church or the people in your community and you go to a different part of the world and they literally have a completely different way of thinking about life and just that alone should teach people to think for themselves. Did you see um No, I totally agree and I just keep thinking about like how do we break that down and I think it's you know this is a propaganda war and we have to use every avenue that we find which includes whenever this information is presented on major podcasts. Um and so I want to know if you saw like the Hal Pudof and Sunny White uh discussions with Joe Rogan because the part with me that blew me away I mean I felt like both those guys are definitely controlled disclosure. they're not going to they know more than what they're saying on that. Um but the I think the Sunny White was the more important one because he showed a small semiconductor which shows the process and it's scale invariant. So he was basically saying look this can be done and and it only takes a little leap of in of faith rather not even faith just concept in your mind to think well if it can be done on this scale it should be able to be done much larger. Now there I have one caveat with that. The larger structures are built fractally from smaller structures. The smaller structures are more stable and I can go into why that is but they the larger you make them it relies on the overall co coherence of the quanta that are smaller. And so making small makes sense actually. And that's where so just to reiterate there because I think we we didn't hit the exactly what we were talking about which was that Sunonny White showed a free energy microchip concept to Joe Rogan. I call it free energy but technically the way they're saying it is absorbing energy from the quantum vacuum. That's that's the resource that it's using is what they say. But it's a free energy microchip. I mean it's producing energy from nothing. Okay. So nothing you can perceive. Yeah. nothing we can perceive. So yes, and it it's it's got to be scaled down because the casmir effect gets stronger and stronger and stronger the closer the plates come together. So what Bob is saying is that the smaller it gets, the more powerful the effect is. Therefore, the more force we can get, the more energy. But then you also want to scale it back up after you've gotten it down to your microchip at the tin these tiny scales where you have to like use an electron microscope to even see how tiny they are. Then you need to scale it back up. But it's not just as simple as like, oh, okay, make it the exact same thing but bigger. It's like now you have to take into account like the overall shape and and and design of the array of the microchip array itself and like how do you line everything up etc. So there are additional layers to the process and then and the other interesting thing is it will likely be producing a propulsive force as well. Yeah. And that's what's funny is that when you learn about free energy or zero point energy, you learn that there are three effects that are just tied to each other. They are because they all are produced from the same exact zero point energy. One of them is the free energy cuz you're just extracting energy from the quantum vacuum. But when you do that, you change the local gravity. So when you change the local gravity, you're going to get a propulsive force in whatever direction related to that extraction. And that's what Sunny White was showing. That's the that was the craziest part about his interview is he goes, "Oh, let me let me say the third thing is you get temperature change. You're going to get a temperature drop because you're pulling energy out of the vacuum." So, you get those three things, but then Sunny White has this weird cover story about, "Oh, well, I was doing this DARPA project to make this microchip and we just decided to see if it looks like a warp bubble." What? You just decided to do a side project while you were Let's just see if it looks like a warp bubble. Wasn't part of the plan at all. wasn't part of the plan, but it just turned out to exactly look like a real warp bubble. And they designed the microchip like it looks like a little warp engine, too. Like the little microchip design looks like a little warp drive. I'm going, "Okay, what's going on here, man? Something this is bizarre." So, not only did he show a free energy microchip, but he was connecting it directly to the idea of that is negative energy, too. That that extraction of energy is negative energy that you would use for your warp bubble. So, just like you said, he tied the idea of free energy uh warp drive together without anyone even blinking an eye at that. And that's why people are going, Ashton, why don't you go build something? Go, Joe Rogan held a free energy microchip in his hand last week and the world didn't even blink about it. And again, this is this is a story of hope. So, you think Sunny White's got this, the UK, the US have got it, so we don't need to worry about it cuz they're going to give it to us next week. You might not see that in a commercial technology in 20, 30 years. we have to take charge of this ourselves. And I I had a guy called Stoyen Sarachev. He was one of the few people to replicate the Hutcherson effects and he also created a enclosed um electrostatic uh propulsion device on a pendulum. You can go and see uh videos of his work. But he taught me one thing that all energy comes from lowering the distortion of the physical vacuum. So it doesn't matter whether you're join taking two hydrogen atomic hydrogens and you're fusing them together. Um they will distort the physical vacuum less than the two atomic hydrogen's the H2 molecule will. If you're taking two deuterons and you are fusing them a nuclear fusion to a helium atom that distorts the physical vacuum even less. But you know what distorts the vacuum even less than fusing those? Just converting them into photons. There's no distortion. It's just a wave that comes out. And if you can convert them into photons and electrons, you have usable electrons which you can put to use. And photons can do ionization. And they can also be used in the photoelectric effect to create extra electrons to feed the thing that's doing the work. So um there's nothing less there's nothing more less that that distorts the physical vacuum uh uh less than taking matter apart. And you know that reminds me of another aspect of it which is this um transduction from thermal energy to electrical energy apparent like it's a well I mean well let's say uh thermmoelectric generator basically. Yeah, thermal generation like I I guess I just don't see a lot about it in the commercial world, but it just certainly exists. It's known about. I guess I would say you can use it in reverse to make a cloud chamber. You you put power through it and it pulls uh energy out. So you can uh make make, you know, we generally think about using electricity to make or change temperature, but we generally don't think about using temperature changes to make electricity. And I just think that's interesting. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We do. That's the basics basis of the carno cycle. So essentially you have a hot area and a cold area and you have a heat flux and this allows you to create power. This is the whole basis of a power station. You have hot steam, you got to have a cold cooling tower and in the process you you that flux going from the hot side and the high pressure steam to the low pressure steam goes through turbines. And it's that's that's the whole basis for creating power in many many senses. A thermmoelectric generator is is kind of just a semiconductor that sits between a hot side and a cold side and and it generates direct electricity from that. So definitely that scramjet idea has solid merit for sure. Then and that's the thing that for me it's like that what I was trying to get there is you did exactly what I wanted is that I would connect the idea that really temperature change like and electricity are much more closely connected than I would have just conceptually thought as somebody without understanding the science there. Um, so it makes that a lot more possible in my mind. Now, going back to the microchip real quick, there's another one too, which is not just Sunny White, which is why that blew me away is that there's also the Kazmir cavity by Garrett Modal and um, and Bernard H is who he's working with as well from former locked murder. It's very funny because Bernard H is a colleague of Hal Putoff. I don't know if you know that. And well, you realize all these people are connected like this world is so much smaller than I thought. I just there's a photo of Bernard H with with John Hutcherson in his lab and and when I I worked with and and do work with one of the um researchers who's developed one of the reactors for Enate which is the direct electricity generator that's been verified by Jean Paularian. He's he writes the condensed matter nuclear science journal. Um this guy is called Dr. George Eagley and he's great for it. one of the world's experts if not the world world expert in ball lightning and it was Bernard H that came to visit him in Hungary [Laughter] it's a small world and it's like the same people that's why when people are like no actually the funny part is no one ever says like Ashton why do you think how puto off's the final boss like everybody just knows like yeah he obviously must be the final boss he's like literally connected to everything about seven years ago I put him in the middle of a mind map and I just connected literally everything about everything with with how put off and there's nobody else that can even be the person like he's got to be like MJ12 number one guy in the secret organization or whatever is going on. Immense respect for the guy. Yeah, respect. I mean to be in that kind of position. I mean what a life. I'd love to have just been like on a fly in the wall watching. It's also walking a knife edge, isn't it? Like what can you say this week? What can't you say? He's a genius. I mean, how could you imagine living your life every day like having to determine like what's the stuff I can say publicly versus the stuff I have to keep compartmentalize and I can never even like reference this. That alone, I don't know if I could do that. I love the ability in an open project to say exactly what we're doing all the time and never have to think about what I can't say. He has to. But he went further on Joe Rogan. I don't know if you want to touch on what he said on Joe Re, but he went he went it expanded on a few things that he hadn't really gone into as much detail before. So quantum communication the the quantum communication one was the most interesting one for me because like we were saying about the small world he referenced that he had put his quantum communication device on the back burner and I've been talking about that thing for a while and I'm sure that there's a classified version of that that the military has been using or defense contractor and the one that he's got is just a public one where like maybe they don't they don't have the material science publicly to do it but privately they had the material science in the '90s. I can't remember who it was, but someone was saying when they were doing some discharges or whatever that would produce these kind of ball structures. Some someone came down and there was like Blackhawk helicopters and they turned up and and they said, "You've got to stop doing this." And the he was suggesting that the reason he had to stop doing it is because it was messing up their their their secure communication technology. I have to remember someone out there you you you'll find that story. That is a story and it exists. You'll find it. But yeah, so I think he's had it and then he was saying, "Well, now I'm coming back to it after 30 years because now the material science has caught up." And that was crazy because I was watching one of those Ape things where uh Gary Stevenson was saying that he was working on a quantum like gravity wave microchip with Dave Rossi actually and they referenced how Pudof might be interested in it. So I'm sitting there going, "Wow, okay." like everybody's connected behind the scenes and like what's what is going on here? In my mind, what's happening is that the defense contractors have had these like free energy microchips, all this stuff, the ball lightning stuff, everything for decades. And the the very engineers that built that stuff for them are the ones that are publicly patenting and working on the stuff now and just like playing dumb about it like, "Oh yeah, we're working on these microchips." Because the reason why I say that is they don't act like people act that would be they don't act like NG8 people do. The NGA people are desperate to get their stuff out there. Yeah, they're they're marketing. Sunny White shows up to Joe Rogan casually with a free energy microchip. Doesn't even like promote it. Doesn't even say it's a free energy microchip. Just like you can go and find out about it here. You can buy shares in it here. He's not He's not trying to sell it. He already knows it works. He's already got all the He's already got the buyer. Exactly. They've already got And they're going to pay more than anyone else could be. Exactly. So, so it's just like I don't know. This is I hope people are enjoying this conversation cuz I think it's a glimpse behind the curtain from two people here who are pretty in the know I think this at this point of how this all is happening behind the scenes. So let me ask you then in terms of all these we've talked about a lot of different companies and and different not just cold fusion but also now free energy microchip concepts. What do you think is the closest and what do you think the time frame is for some of this stuff to actually be public commercialized? Because I don't think we're looking at 50 years on some of this stuff. I mean that free energy microchip thing that's in the public now. if they don't commercialize it soon, somebody else is going to. So, what are your thoughts? I think what you're looking at right now is a panic by the powers that have this technology to find a way to roll it out with a with a story, a cover story that means that everyone doesn't get it for free cuz we're at a state. So there's there's a very controversial figure who um a friend good friend of mine was the first investor into called Andrea Rossi and he's been trying to solve the energy problem. He actually developed one of these uh and legitimately yeah the ecat guy. So he legitimately uh developed a technology for creating biodiesel out of you know chip fat and things like that way back I think in the 70s or 80s or something. He actually did do that. Uh, and and there was some issue with a mafia or whatever because it was their their gig to dump this stuff at wherever they dumped it and he was getting this stuff and then I whatever he ended up in jail and he used his time in jail to study all the coal fusion papers and he came out with a you know a supposed technology in 2011. That's actually why I started to re-engage with the field. So whether he had it or not, it was an important time and an important thing for him to do because every single member of the MFMP, we went to South Korea and set that up. He's recently done a test at the end of last year, I think it was in November, where he took a Renault Twizzy. This is this kind of like single seat kind of well, you can have another one behind, but little electric vehicle. And it started off with something like I'm going to not get this right, but one of them had most there was two cars basically the same car. One was had like um supposedly nearly something like 90% charge and it did around about 70 kilometers. The other one had about 30% charge and this ECAT device and at the end of it it did over 200 km. So nearly three times the distance but it had gone from 30% charge to about 85% charge. So, it' actually been charging whilst it did three times the range. The other one completely run out. Now, um there's questions as to whether this is real or not. But, um and there's also I have questions because I think the the paper that he refers to as the the um how this occurs um was actually written by a third party principally and I think I know who it is. Um however um he is correct in that there is some kind of coherence being formed. He quotes since I made them him aware of them. The the um Loheed Martin patent for coherent matter wave beams that is quoted in his writings also Ken the work of Ken shoulders and I think what is happening he is he is creating coherent electrons. uh there is a phase change uh in the process of uh you know producing this structure and and remember what I was saying earlier all energy is derived from uh reducing the distortion of the physical vacuum. If you have one electron it distorts a certain amount of physical uh vacuum. If you have two and they become a Kooper pair they have a certain amount that they distort the physical vacuum. But once you've got a Kooper pair that can become a Bose Einstein condensate because the Koopa pair is a Bzon and they can occupy the same spaceime. So for every uh Koopa pair you add to the condensate you are reducing the distortion of the physical vacuum. So you gain energy through that process. And so um it's it's it's pretty amazing to think about. And wait, hold on a sec. You can create Cooper pairs through superc conductivity and just stack them up. No, you need to create super. Yeah. Yeah. So, well, okay. Well, yeah. I I mean to me the way I look at super conductivity, we use Cooper pairs to explain the concept of superc conductivity is how it's possible and you know cuz we can't actually like see that happening but that's the idea. So, but Bzons are mean that things can stack onto the same point in space and time. Yeah. Which would then mean you could stack things just like a laser. Stack them up. Stack them up. Stack them up. Yeah. And then so if that's the case then this then speaks to the charge cluster concepts of Ken shoulders and absolutely and so the Ken shoulders talks about how you can get electrons and they have their individual charge of minus1 he talks about muons which have a charge of 207 uh sorry mass of 207 times the mass of an electron and you have talons which is like 3,700 but they all possess a single negative uh charge. Now, he says you can create create structures that have got billions of effective electrons in there, but they still only have one negative charge. And you got to imagine that that must be because they become some sort of fractally similar structure of the electron itself. They are self similar structure and the charge is coming from the configuration of the overall um movement in spaceime rather than the actual individual structure itself. Um The Bose Einstein condensate seems like like a lot of people be like, "Well, what is a Bose Einstein condensate?" Because it's not even really properly defined. You see the words thrown around all the time. I consider it almost like the fifth state of matter like go beyond plasma to this coherence where you start to see structured shapes on the macro scale. that that's what I call it where they're really coherence is the best word for it where normally things would just kind of dissipate and be random but you're seeing things kind of come together and act together all at once. What how would you define like this Bose Einstein condensate essentially an electron is is a firmian. it um uh without going to the Y they can't occupy the same space time but when you create a a um a Koopa pair they they pair up in such a way that they act as a Bzon which then means you can occupy the same space time with more of those and what happens then you have the wave function wave description of that matter um is able to overlay with another one in a self- similar when they're at the same uh kinetic energy. So that's what the is that a coherent matter wave beam? That's exactly the description of co coherent matter wave look at if you look at that pattern. Yeah, they have a they they don't give credit to Ken Shoulders, but they have a spike highd discharge which goes into some 10 micron chambers and that along with a magnetic field and the Aaron Hoff bomb effect allows for the electrons to form these Koopa pairs and then for those Koopa pairs to end up at the same kinetic energy. Now a C Koopa pair of electrons will have a a wave function. It's a Broly wave function that changes with its kinetic energy. So the whole point of the Aronhoff form effect is to get them in phase like a laser and in the same energy so they have the same wave function which can overlay each other. Then they can all occupy the same spaceime and and then they can then bleed that out and produce a matter wave beam. Now the interesting thing is their actual structure that they show I think it's in figure three in that pattern is a bucky ball like structure. So they're saying it's a coherent matter, but the overall coherent matter starts to form into spherical like objects. And the Bucky balls, I think those weren't those the rubidium atoms that they super froze down to like a bucky ball is a formation of carbon like a carbon 60 sphere. Water can do the same thing. And if water can do it and carbon can do it, then you could imagine that other material could form into these clusters of coherent matter. So if you if you're arguing that it's self- similar, then why can't it be made even bigger? So can you get these little chambers producing this coherent matter wave and produce a very large ball of coherent matter? And then you're into a really interesting topic. Yeah. Did you see I think it was I'm trying to make sure I've got the right link here. Charles Chase. Uh who is he talking is this Ape? I can't remember which I think I found this but Charles Chase is the guy that he and um I forget the other guy were the ones who created that patent that coherent matter beam patent and the other guy I guess yeah they they had a separate pre presentation you you talked recently like just a few months ago that that this presentation by Charles Chase he's all of a sudden out of nowhere so to put together what we're what I'm putting down here what what Bob is putting down is that the coherent matter beam patent is the missing link like and I didn't understand how important it was until I saw the Charles Chase demonstration. I could tell it was because this idea of like getting everything down to a single point is very important for an idea of teleportation or quantum mechanics etc. Um but then this presentation by Charles Chase the first thing he does is he basically just takes a shot at academia and he goes people have said all this stuff is impossible forever all these famous people and they've always been wrong. In fact, the best snare story was that um this uh Nobel laurate Peter Debe told the guy that invented the LCD screen, George Hail Meyer, that it was impossible to make an LCD screen and he didn't tell him that he had already literally produced it because it was protected under proprietary stuff for the company that he built it with. Right? So, you have literal Nobel Prize winners saying stuff can never happen. Planes can never fly. We'll never talk through voice through wires. What do you do when you've got the upper hand? You you say what what I've already got is impossible. Then someone else produces and they go, "Oh, look. I've got it here." This is my favorite. I'm just going to read this one because he just takes a shot at Shawn Carroll here. Sean Carroll, direct quote from Shawn Carroll. There is something called the warp drive. There are extra dimensions. There is a casemir effect and there is dark energy. All of these things are true. But there is zero chance that anyone within our lifetimes over the next 1,000 years are going to build anything that makes use of any of these ideas for defense purposes or anything like that. Well, Sean Carroll, bad news. They already have done it. Just like the LCD screen, they've already done it. Made you look like a fool. Um, but here's the thing about the presentation because then he talks about the the actual microchip and I'm like, "Okay, well now we're going to learn what this thing is really used for because we can only speculate based on these vague descriptions in the patent, right?" And he just straight up says it. It's a million times more powerful than a laser. It can transport matter at a distance. What I mean, like, what does that actually mean? And I forget the third one. I I'll try to pull it up. But when you look at these concepts, um it's like okay, this thing is this is the missing link. This is what you would need to make uh a Bose Einstein condens condensate and you can use it oh for material manufacturing as well. You can use this to make microchips at the atomic scale. So because you can shoot single atoms at a time onto a microchip. So you could use theoretically use this for that as well. Um, but the thing that could be a million times more powerful than a laser, that stuck out to me because if I want to make something that can bend spaceime, I need something that's even more powerful than the most powerful lasers we have. If I want to do it easily, well, million times more powerful. Honestly, Ashton, I think that's being conservative. I I think we can talk about billion times more. I think that might be where they are and they're pretending they're only that far, but they're all already on the billions of times. So, uh this is the reason that on my blog at remoteview.icu, it was the first um blog article that I had on on that patent. Uh and also talking about Tom Beard and and that that that was it was a watershed moment mostly because it was the first time that I come across anyone ever discussing the fact that you can make coherent matter at any temperature. Yeah. So that is actually on the front page or it's it's figure two in the pattern the one that's at the top there the 10 microns. So that's what I was describing earlier. So you have the cathode has 10 microns. Like I don't know if people realize how small this is and one micron cathode like this is very very very small. We're talking about the size of viruses now. Yeah. So you see down the bottom it has a B with a with a arrow. That is the um the magnetic field. And that is how with those cavities it can force coherence and um the phase synchronization and energy synchronization using the Alenhoff bomb effect. So that's what it is. And the image in there um they actually specifically focus on the fact that most people think you can't create a Bose Einstein condensate from uh electrons because they're firmians. But what they then go on to say is that in this system you can. and they focus on creating a beam of coherent electrons. I mean, this is wild right there. Firmian, Bose, Einstein, condensate. Exactly. Right. It's starting with it's a bit they're missing the point that it actually becomes a BZON and then the BZON becomes the condensate. I mean, what you're looking at in the center is a very interesting thing. Sorry, that that that little peak, that little like thorn on there, that is a condensate. The interesting thing about condensate is condensate can have the same wave function through that entire diagram yet there can be more of the same thing in the center where it's red. That's the density of the same thing. Okay. It's weird. And this is actually the relic do the same thing. Yeah. But there could be more of the same thing in different places. So like with relic nutrinos for instance, there is more of the relic nutrino condensate near the sun and the earth and the moon than there is in free space. But they all share the same wave function. It's very weird to think about. Yeah. Dr. Mo Arman is the other one. And so this also right here says uses the Aronhoff bomb effect which is a real effect that science doesn't really accept or like just won't acknowledge, I guess. But to me, what when I look at this, what do I see happening here? Just visually and and imaginatively, what I see happening is vibration. We're vibrating everything to get it all into one point. And that's what you see in this peak here down at the bottom. You're seeing this peak cuz we're we're focusing everything onto a single point. where previously was a firmian, now it's a BZON. And now when we do that, we stack up the energy. And I agree with you. When he says 1 million times down here, I think he's being koi. I mean, we're talking levels of we're This is the secret right here. This is how you This is one million times more powerful than a laser. Um which laser? Yeah. Which one is that? The uh atosecond laser. Because if so, now we're talking about energy levels that are just ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Because matter itself has far more energy in it. A photon is just kind of like a propagation of a soloton, let's say, through the ether. And and and this is actual physical matter that's got embedded energy in it. It's got mass. So, uh this is already wrapped energy that you're firing and as a coherent matter weight. Yeah. And the um atomic scale manufacturing, this even goes beyond like probably microchips. In my opinion, when he's typing that out there, he's thinking like Star Trek replicator stuff cuz that's really Shoulders talks about this that you can get EVOs to go in and copy the pattern of an entire thing. So, he's referring to something that I was told about on my course at university and I'm I'm 53 this year when I was 20 years old. So, that that is 23 years ago, right? Um and and that was building up things atom by atom. I was told that this was being investigated 23 years ago. Is it 23 or 33? It's 33 years ago. Oh my god, I'll leave that there. Um, what Ken Shers talks about is that EVOs can go in and they can get the whole pattern of something and then if you energize that whole pattern, you then have a coherent matter wave that is the pattern of the entire thing. Then all you need to do is separate those versions of themselves and then you get an instant of it's called instanting in in 3D uh um you know visualization you can take an object and rather than building another object and having that in memory you actually have one object and you translate that in the render engine. This is what I'm talking about. Ken Shoulders was suggesting you can create an entire quantum coherent copy and then you energize that. So you have it super energized and then you separate the copies that are in that copy. You have like a whole wave function of the entire let's say Ashton Forbes. We need more Ashton Forbes because there isn't enough Ashton Forbes, right? So we wait we we put that pattern in there and we clone it. He also said that this is one way you can teleport because what you can do is you you can create the pattern of something and then you move the pattern and then you destroy the original. Of course, it's not spiritually good to leave the original as well as the copy. Yeah. It sounds like the prestige. Is that what you're like, you know what I'm talking about? You ever seen the movie The Prestige? Well, his ideas on teleportation Ken shoulders came before the Prestige. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know. But I just what I'm just saying is that this that in the prestige right like so spoiler alert people everybody turn it off if you don't want to listen um Gene Hackman's charact or not Gene Hackman but um what's his face Wolverine uh he his character teleports he teleports and you find out the big reveal is he's not actually teleporting he's creating a copy of himself and he has to kill one of the two of himself every time so he drowns one of the two of himself every time so he doesn't have to like physically do it to you prevent there from being these duplicates out there. So, man, I really hope that's not where this goes. I'm ready for some dark stuff, but I don't know if I want to have weird uh bizarro duplicate uh versions of myself and other people all out there. Well, it's okay if you're making food. Uh yeah, I mean, if they're if they're going to be night person, um but you know, I think that they're going to probably rebel after some period of time. You know, you know, Kenshers and John Hutcherson, they spent a week uh with the writers of Star Trek in the 1990s to discuss technology and how it would manifest itself down the road so that they could put it into their program. Yeah. And that's the thing I think a lot of people wondered. They asked I even have a photo of that event. This was actually at the event. Wow. Yeah. I'm not surprised at all. I mean, this is when people ask me, "Why do they talk about this stuff in these shows and stuff?" I say, "Well, because these engineers, they talk to these people, you know, they talk to these people." I've had people are sci-fi writers reach out to me and they say, "Hey, I'm doing this new show. What do you think about the stuff I go in here and I'm talking about and sometimes I look at it and I'll tell them, you know, cuz a lot of times it's just it's not real physics, you know, it's just magical stuff." Or like the plot doesn't make sense if you think about the the physics and the weapons and the stuff like that as well. And that's where I want I I truly want the movies to get better cuz there it's just the real technology is so far beyond what they think that we can do. You know, I've said for about five six years, I can't watch a superhero movie because everything they show is possible. Yeah. And it's even better than that. It's like, oh, the superheroes aren't even doing using magical stuff. Like we, you know, Thor is not even that powerful. We can make zero point energy weapons and make Thor look like a little baby. Um, it is complicating issues because when you have a thing like the the Tesla logo is a ripoff of Thor's hammer, the original Thor's hammer, the Ukan Vasara and and so when people are looking up Thor's hammer, they're not going to see an Vasar and realize it's the same as the Tesla logo. And and this really is the most powerful thing in the universe. It can depressurize spaceime in front of it and pressurize it behind it. You know, it is the means by which you do these ridiculous you know, propulsion technology. Now, one of the propulsion technologies and and I think that I'm going to start digging into this next week, but I want to know if you know anything about it is this idea of an X-ray laser. Some people have started pinging me on it and I I kind of check my replies to see there's some, you know, people are watching me and posting little info in my replies and I haven't always caught on. And one of the things was X-ray laser. The reason why I've thought about it is that one of the things I've realized from the MH370 videos is that the reason why the Zap is cold and black in the thermals that it's a release of either X-ray or ultraviolet light. So now I'm going oh now I'm looking for ultraviolet X-ray related technologies. And sure enough someone posts about X-ray lasers. So the first thing I do is go look well how do you make an X-ray laser? Oh it's stimulated emission of plasma. Okay, now I'm super interested. You can go further than that. You can make gammaray lasers. Oh, I'm sure. But the point and the gammaray lasers are really deeply unpleasant. And in fact, what are these things doing though? Like what what's the point of them? What are they actually purposing? Cuz can this be used to extract energy from upstream? Like when you get to so even with a normal laser, you can get energy densities that will produce almost certainly coherent matter. And this was a proposal by Low in 1973 to uh do fusion. There's this guy called Low. He went on to create water clusters. You I think I don't know if he's still alive, but there's a website out there with him. But he proposed in 1973 that you could use a laser to force coherence and lead to fusion. Now current lasers you can cut through quite a depth of steel like straight through it. Now a laser is the energy is related to the frequency of the photon and the photon as it gets higher frequency it has higher energy. So you can imagine with a gamma ray laser you can actually cause um sorry with with an X-ray laser you can actually cause atoms to be highly highly excited and flow very easily. With a gammaray laser you actually will cause nuclear decay. I think it's called the Oppenheimer Phillips reaction where if you have things in the right place and you hit it with a gamma, you can you can and this is this is actually So wait, how wouldn't that be like what we were just talking about? Like how would that be connected to this idea of just using the air as as a fuel source? Could that be breaking down just straight? I don't I don't think it's that complicated. I just don't think it's that complicated. We we're creating ball lightning in with much much lower energies because what you need is resonance all the time. you have standing waves and resonance which you can create with phase conjugation and uh field interference. You're going to have standing wave nodes that can cohhere energy and we only need to get to a certain threshold and things start to fall apart. By that I mean the first thing that falls apart is like vanderal forces then polar bonds like water and then chemical bonds to start with it would be weak uh polar bonds and then um uh sorry ionic bonds and then covealent bonds and then when you go beyond covealent bonds and metal bonds you end up starting cluster decay of atoms because an atom isn't just a whole ball of spheres. where every single atom has the same binding energy and you have to put that binding energy in to separate out a nucleon. It's you've got clusters that that are connected together with a weaker bit in between. So matter falls apart. This is the basis of my presentation that I gave last week and published because what we see in low energy nuclear reactions is a fantastic array of elements that weren't there to begin with and it's very been very confusing as to why. But if you take for instance a tungsten atom and you suddenly find you've got a lot of carbon, magnesium which is double carbon and and chromium which is quadcarbon and and calcium which is you know it's all made of alpha particles. You can imagine a much bigger kind of branched structure with weak bits and it's causing that to fall apart. And what is causing causing it to fall apart? A lowering of the vacuum pressure. Why is it causing it? because you are pulling photons out of that vacuum and that is what keeps the atom in its stable state. You remove the pressure and it's just like pulling that fish from the deep ocean up onto your deck. It turns to jelly or let me stop you right there because this is this is very very important is that what you described I think is the physical mechanism by which this happens. So people wonder how does the stuff fall apart? Well, it's space-time pressure that causes it to happen. So if you can cause the space-time pressure to occur, lack of space-time pressure, then you can cause atoms to fall apart. Now, if you want to know and see how this happens, Google right now water boiling at room temperature. And what you're going to find is all you have to do is you have to take water in a tube and start carrying it upwards. And once you get it at like, it depends exactly, but few hundred feet, all of a sudden the water just starts coming apart because of the lack of pressure. Lack of pressure just causes the water to fall apart. So, if you can cause a situation artificially by which there's a lack of pressure, then you're going to cause the atomic molecules to just begin to It's like those sci-fi movies where you see a guy going outside without a space suit and they boil. And that's what I think they're doing with the lasers then because that's what I think if if we're seeing some type of endothermic reaction with the scramjet. They must be using a laser to break apart the molecule, zap it away, use suck that stuff in, and then that would be a release of we would be seeing as form of X-ray or something that they're or higher than that. And if I was looking at a thermal that's going to show up as black, I would imagine at least certainly. So when you have a image sensor um we can come back on to the overall process but when you have an image sensor specifically um they typically will operate in a range of photons. Okay. And and I I will bring to the cosmic summit a handheld thermal sensor and I will bring the thermal imaging camera and we can show some demonstrations of what these appear with color gradients and so forth. Okay. So when you what you will go to any manufacturer so like um um uh what's ours is ours is called octris to go go to optress IR and you can see a whole range of thermal imaging cameras and they will have a frequency range of photons over which they can see okay and outside of that frequency range it doesn't see any photons so it would appear as black so that could be because they're either lower frequency than the frequency range they can see or they're higher frequency than the frequency range. I used to think that it was just because they were cold and now I know that's not the case because if it was just cold, we would see a gradient. It wouldn't just be black. You would see like a light black or you see this merge. But the fact that it's just black, straight black means they're just not seeing anything there. And that could be because they're all blue shifting cuz they when you get those three orbs and they're joining together and they're making a self similar object at the quanta the level above fractal level above. And as that pinches in, you're changing the space-time metric in there. And so that will blue shift the light and it happens so rapidly that it immediately goes to outside of the range of the bometer, the thermal imaging camera. And and it just appears as a black hole. It's not a black hole. It is a thing that's kind of like a black hole because you see it as a black hole, but it's not a black hole. It's just black in the imaging. Exactly. Now, it could it could be a black hole and it likely is a black hole, but what you're seeing is a black hole because the imaging, right? And in the other camera, you're seeing um and I would argue it's it's you're seeing optical and as it goes uh from the thermal imaging and it's blue shifted, it will blue shift through the thermal IR will shift through the optical which is already out of the uh IR range and then off to the UV and X-ray soft X-ray up to 2 kilo electron volts normally. Um and and so you will see the flash and as that goes takes all that thermal photons, blue shifts it to to uh visible. Yep. Okay. Well, so if people are interested in more that I'm going to be researching, I think the they all these things also have a million different names, too. That's how they also hide it. So they're calling it free electron lasers. So when I start looking around through the ders, of course I have like a 50 hits for a free electron laser. I'm going, "Okay, yeah, I think I think we might have it here." Cuz I think that the plasmas what we're going to find is that this is the crazy part is I don't even know know how many Nobel prizes ahead they are. It's hard to even count at this point. But you just start with free energy plasma ball that has no con no physical confinement that is producing over unity and then you turn into a Swiss Army knife. Now I can just shoot some plasma out this way as a free electron beam and if I want to propel that way I can do something like that. Maybe I can jam these things together and start breaking out. I'm going to help you in two ways. One the solin pattern mikall solin of 1992. It was awarded under the Russian Federation just after the end of the cold war. This is technology that was de developed during the cold war. They used a massive free electron laser in a melt furnace. This was to melt refractory materials using a free electron laser. It's a huge device. And what they did is they take tungsten or or other refractory metal. They hit the laser into the tungsten. and it produced a melt zone that went out to an area where it was solid. So there was a phase boundary and that produced vi uh frequencies that that produced a standing waves in that melt with the free electron laser coming in. And in that pattern, bearing in mind this is five years before they actually created an officially accepted Bose Einstein condensate, he said you get uh um electron solar producing two kinds of magnetic charges. He doesn't say a magnetic north and a magnetic south monopole, but he says two kinds of magnetic um uh charges and he calls it a quantum coherent nuclear reactor and the reactions occur in there. Now secondly, same thing when uh Bogdanovich I think it's in 2019 or so uh 2021 from the Moscow nuclear physics institute they were doing this is not a free electron laser but here where I'm going with this they had electrical discharges in a 200 volt bias through water so water is the fuel going through the water vapor on a plas is a high water jet flow shearing on on on the metal and they were firing 2,000 volt discharges through. Okay, this produced these ring solar plasmoids and he has this paper called uh video recordings of long live plasmoids that moved around on the metal surface glowing for 2 days. Now, when I made a big hoo-ha about this paper because it was showing something that was able to stay stable for two days without anyone feeding it any energy and produce light and moving around of its own propulsion, right? Um there was a guy who self proclaimed he was a a military researcher who reached out to me. we'd already be having a conversation and he said, "This is interesting because we used to use a free electron laser to harden military landing gear." So they would use this free electron laser, put it over the landing gear, and suddenly the landing gear was harder. Now, you can imagine that's because it's being compressed in spaceime by something that's going in there. But he said these little glowing objects were on the landing gear. So he went back to the people they used to work with cuz they're all retired and said, "What did you used to do with those?" said, "Oh, we just got a wire brush and brushed them off." I go, "What?" And he said, "Well, did you ever look to see how long they lasted?" He said they were glowing 2 months later. I can't hear you. Sorry, you switched off your audio. This reminds me of the Marauder program from the early '9s that I was looking into where I'm trying to find really good research on it. It's hard, but essentially they had this rail gun, plasma rail gun that they started on the '9s, early 1990, published a work in 1993 and publicly said the goal of the Marauder program was to accelerate highly dense toroids containing plasmas to high speeds could be used for hypervelocity particles, X-ray production, and electrical power amplification. Supposedly, the program was super successful, but then it just went dark. And then they also kind of claimed that it wasn't successful at the same time. So this was exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for because this aligns perfectly with how Pudof and Ken shoulders research in the late '9s or ' 80s to then roll into this where they realize, okay, we can make balls of plasma. Now, can we shoot them? Now, can we start to do crazy things with them? I'm guessing what really happened during this project is they figured out what you just said that they could make these stable balls of plasma and they went, "Oh boy, we found something like really big here where it's not just shooting this plasma at something." It like created it. They were probably noticed it was staying stable for like 5 or 10 seconds and they're like, "Wait, what?" And then they take that to the next level, right? And start engineering, oh, we can potentially do that cuz listen to this. I'm just going to read this. In 1993, the Philips Laboratory developed a coaxial plasma gun capable of accelerating 1 to 2 mg of plasma by up to 1 billion gs in a toid of 1 meter in diameter. The tooids are similar to spheromax but differ in that an inner conductor is used to accelerate the plasma and that a confinement barrier results from interactions of the tooid with the surrounding atmosphere. So, I mean, what are they saying? They're saying we're trying to make little plasma balls in the sky, you know. Um, it's 1 meter in diameter. This is not little. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One meter. One meter in diameter. And I think I've heard this before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One meter. So you're like, "Okay, these aren't that's that's a big plasma ball, man. That's a big plasma." And the ones we need in the MH370 videos are only like 6 mters in diameter. I would not like that coming at me at 110 speed light. Uh no. Uh I don't think you're going to see it coming either. I think you're just going to not be there anymore. So yeah. So So there's um two two points to this. Uh the first is that Nicola Tesla in 1935 disclosed uh what he called electrical particles and matter gun. If you go to Martin Fleman memorial project and type in Tesla, I think it's about the third or fourth thing and it links out to a discussion on this. But it looks like an EVO gun. He either fed a tungsten wire through as the electrode or a fluid mercury that forms a tailor cone. Really high pulseed electricity and it goes through what's called an open-ended vacuum tube. So he like had compressed air or dry steam coming through the outside so that it produced a deep vacuum in the launch chamber. So the launch chamber came out and produced what he called an electrical particles of matter gun and that was in 1935. And um so so so there's that and I'm just trying to think what the the other point was. Um anyway this this is doable. It's been doable for a long time. And oh yeah, so um yeah, if you go to our um I I did a Steemit blog on this. I think it was on X. Look up Jenna Musa in June, I think it was, 2017. She describes how um the US military phone the journalists up and they ask them to put all of their metal and electronic equipment on the ground otherwise they will fry like ISIS. And this is cuz the US dropped the what they call their electricity bombs and they have no idea no one no other name for them because there seems to be a lot of electricity discharging when these things uh hit them and everyone fries if they've got any metal that all their coms or whatever just blow up. So you can go and have a look at this and they literally show an a US military guy holding up an ISIS sword when it's presumed it's ISIS. It's in the same thread. And the sword looks like it's been at the bottom of an ocean for about a thousand years. It's got like all this ridiculous rust on it. And if if a guy was walking around with a rusty sword, that's not a thing to be proud about, right? I think that got rusty because it's full of these structures that pull in oxygen. Love to pull in oxygen, love to pull in moisture, and it rapidly decays the metal. It's a signature of the effect. So I think these were used to end ISIS in a couple of weeks back in uh the first Trump um uh he unleashed several unused weapons in that process. No man, so I want to read out some of these Loheed Martin patents. I think we'll we'll kind of wind down the conversation, but I want to go through some of these cuz one of the things I did, so I was looking at some of the the patents that were out there by Loheed Martin, looking at this plasma stuff, kind of looking at the history of it, and I asked the AI, you know, look at this idea of uh, you know, these plasma orbs and tell me which patents Loy Martin might have that would be relevant from before 2016. So, pretty older ones, systems and methods for plasma propulsion, 2006. pretty much exactly the same as what the Marauder program was talking about. Systems for generating coherent matter wave beams. Of course, we've got our our one and only favorite. It came back with heating plasma for fusion power using magnetic field oscillation 2014. That one, I knew you might like that one cuz not only is vortex motion one way to stabilize, but squeezing vibration, I think, is going to be another way that can be done. And this one even says Marauder Connection. The patent's focus on compact plasma confinement resonates with marauders magnetized tooids suggesting a shared interest in controlling plasma structures. And then another one, there's only I think one or two more. Magnetic field plasma confinement for compact fusion reactor. Loheed Martin 2014. This one says the compact plasma confinement mirrors marauders toidal formation suggesting Loheed Martin's expertise in magnetized plasmas. And then the last one skunk works. They've been talking about using that in in a small reactor and they they talked about it at least five years ago saying they would have a reactor ready in 5 years. I don't know where they are with that cuz Oh, I think they had the reactor 10 years ago, 20 years ago. And then the last one just encapsulated magnetic fields for plasma confinement defines a reactor with an open field magnetic system and encapsulating magnetic coils forming a magneettosphere to confine plasma. I mean to me that sounds like I don't see anything about walls on that. So my take away from those is, wow, they have figured out perfect plasma confinement and they're hiding it. And then it's like, holy crap, if that is true, I keep thinking about what Elon Musk has been saying about if they knew if they had this, they would be t putting me out of business. Why aren't they doing that? Why aren't they? The answer is money. They don't care about money. They don't care about money. Money doesn't matter to them. The easiest thing is to make weapons. If you've got something that likes to chew stuff up and and turn it to dust or jelly, then then and you don't have to worry about confinement because you're just trying to make things disappear, you know, it's it's the upper hand of all upper hands. If you can make things fall apart and it you don't even see it coming and uh once it's gone, it's just a pile of dust and you don't even know what it was before, right? You you want to keep that to to your chest. isn't it isn't about do we want to make people's uh you know coffee cheaper to keep it's not about e it's not about being the richest person in the world either. It's not about that at all. It's like I once you have a billion dollars, you're good to go. You can do anything you want for the rest of your life. After you have a billion dollars, it's not about being the richest anymore. It's about who's got the most power. And how do you have power? Well, you have weapons that can vaporize people, that can teleport things. You control the banking system. You control people's perception of it. That's power. Who cares how many billions of dollars you have? You have to five. Go ahead. What they're running for now is energy sources that can power AI, which means they can monitor everyone real time and poke them in a direction through nudging uh in any way. C can I just give a quick rundown of how I see the process as as in my mind at this current time? Um just as a a short overview essentially um in that paper by uh Bogdanovich atal 2021 video recordings of long live plasmoids they referenced a paper I was aware of before from a guy called Vijvki it was given in the Soi conference in 2008 and he talks about how using standard mainstream mathematics you can create a dra monopole quasi quasi topological monopole and he describes that you get these uh electrons that are out of phase. They come down become Cooper pairs and they go down to what is what is called in in the kernum type of black hole a ring singularity. It's a ring of coherent electrons at a very specific limit by which they can go and accumulate energy. That means your magnetic strength goes up and up and up. And when you exceed 10^ the 15 Teslas, you start pulling photons out of the vacuum. And when you reduce the amount of photon pressure in the vacuum, atoms start to fall apart. And the next step is that your protons go through um color disconfinement and you get quarks and gluons. And quarks as you pull them out of a proton and a neutron, they actually synthesize an anti-quark from the the ether. It has to you have to give it enough energy for it to synthesize an anti-quark. And when it does that, you get mison. And mison decay into electrons, photons, and uh neutrinos. The nutrinos go away. So you're converting matter directly into electrons and photons. And this is the core that drives the overall magneto hydrodnamic structure. And any matter, it doesn't whether it's bogeies or def defecate into it. You can do whatever you like. It's fuel. Any matter. Because when you have a significantly strong magnetic field, matter falls apart. And there was a guy called Kramer in 1983 that discussed this. Once you create a magnetic monopole, in this case a pseudo magnetic monopole, a topological monopole using this vision process, you end up being able to disassemble matter and that gives you unlimited energy. And because the structure itself is a form of propulsion, the food that you feed it from in front, which it pulls out of the way, depressurizes in the vacuum in front, and as it comes in behind, that feud that comes in behind drives the magneto hydrodnamic process. And it becomes what is called a quark gluon plasma, specifically electron quark gluon plasma. And when you have an electron quark glue on plasma, this produces a much smaller structure that is able to do the MHD because quarks themselves have a negative charge that produces a magneto hydrodnamic structure not of electrons but of quark gluon plasma. And uh this is what Ken shoulders referred to this guy called uh SV Adam. SV Adam ad Adamo has a book. It's called controlled nuclear synthesis. And when I was verifying my thinking, it's literally in that book. It's 750 pages. You can go and buy it now on my uh ex uh for the Martin Fleman Memorial Project. Guy called Eden has just published a PDF downloadable. You can go and have a look at it. Search in, you know, it's 160 pound book. I encourage people to buy it, but I I can't stop him. He's posted this link. So, you can go and have a look at it. You'll see quark glue and plasma all over that. And so I just want to recap just last just last point. You can get a quark gluon plasma that's less than 700 m uh um uh 700 nanometers which is smaller than the small size of one micron for the the minimum exotic vacuum object and that can produce a field of 10 to the 10 to the 15 Tesla. So it becomes self- sustaining at that point. So what I've just just described to you there is how you can convert an electrical pulse of coherent matter into a topological monopole that gets to through resonance a coherent energy uh magnetic field that de uh depreciates the vacuum pressure by by capturing photons into the event horizon of of the um kernum black hole. And that leads to the disassembly of matter through all of the strengths of bonds you can have all the way down to quark gluons. And then you get a different it's a phase change. Not this isn't a solid. This isn't a plasma. This is a quark gluon plasma. Specifically an electron quark gluon plasma. And that forms a plasmoid in the pattern of the original plasmoid which can shrink down further. It's freaking amazing. And in my view I wanted to explain because this is also sounds like what rand I think Randall Mills understands. He's trying to make sense of what he knows is possible scientifically. And so I think he has to his credit he explains what you said which I would call the life cycle of energy and matter because the concept is if you convert matter to light matter to energy you are expan extracting or you are either expanding or contracting spaceime in that process. So now it becomes a reversible process. If you want to I think let me say say this correctly. If you convert matter to energy you are expanding space time. I think and I think if you're converting energy back to matter you're contracting it. I may have that backwards. You got a 50% chance of being 50% chance. So I'm just going to be I'm going to say it confidently. We're just going to hope that it works out. Um but isn't that really simplified? Because now when you understand that you can engineer physical reality. You can basic both make matter out of what apparently is nothing and you can unmake matter. Exactly. It's what I call the God's toolbox. And it's it's freaking amazing. Everything that I've just told you is mainstream physics. It does not need any woo woo talk. And you can go and look up quark glue and plasma now on Wikipedia and you will see that it is the prima material. It is the the the the state of the universe before hedrons which are quark antiquarks like mison and berons which uh up down quarks in in packets of three where the color charges add up to white which are your neutrons and protons. So this is the pre-state or before mis uh before hydrons and and varian. So you are literally creating inside the core of these structures a little new universe. Wow. I think that's a good spot to end it. I think we have now just kind of blown the lid off of everything related to plasma cold fusion free energy and literally just the nature of the universe at smallest scale engineering reality all the way up. Bob Greener, thank you so much for being on my podcast today. Go ahead. A pleasure. shout out anything you want to shout out. Yeah, please come to my uh blog at remoteview.icu. Uh please uh go and look at the work um of uh um uh this guy. Oh god, what is his name? Um SV Adamo. Go and have a look. There's a link. Someone's put it on my uh X the MFMP MFMP YouTube channel. And uh go and have a look. re listen to my last presentation that I gave and I'm going to do a huge presentation tonight on consciousness and how this fits in. It's going to be pre-recorded. It's a presentation I gave last week and I think it's going to make a lot of sense. It's going to tie in how the the reasons why people can summon these things, can control this technology through consciousness. And I think it's going to be a bit of a shock to people. Oh, that's going to be awesome, Bob. Well, thank you very much. Can't wait to see you at Cosmic Summit. And thank you everybody. Looking forward to it. See you guys later. Peace. Catch you later.