Zero Point Energy Podcast Review - Cold Fusion & Gravity Manipulation

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# Zero Point Energy Podcast Review - Cold Fusion & Gravity Manipulation Malian 370 contact [Music] 120 breaking news tonight A Malaysia Airlines flight with 239 people on board including four Americans has gone missing [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture of the babad Gita Vishnu is trying to persuade the prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says now I am become deaf the destroyer of [Music] worlds welcome everybody to the live stream guys thank you for being here we have a huge live stream tonight where we are going to watch a podcast called Beyond conventional physics extended electrodynamics lattice confinement Fusion Zero Point Energy and advanced propulsion before we do that guys as somebody just pointed out in the chat Ryan Graves was on with Joe Rogan today and literally discussed cold fusion if you don't believe that we are the tip of the spear right now then I want you to pay attention to the fact that you can watch my live streams going back one year and see that I've been talking about this stuff being real longer than any of these UFO disclosure people have been saying it we are basically setting the narratives and people are being forced along with us if you had asked people a year ago about cold fusion everybody would have been saying that cold Fusion's fake it got debunked in 1989 35 years ago now you've got random Graves randomly talking about let's listen to the clip right now before we dig into this why because the podcast today includes Department of energy Personnel n NASA personnel and multiple Black Project engineers and they also talk about cold fusion as well there were several members of of from China there and they very specifically were asking for collaboration in some of these very deep Technologies so you know we talked about how uh you know gravity manipulation right kind of went dark for a while well they they call it something slightly different now and it's something that China and others are actively researching they call it extended electrodynamics same thing with C what is the difference between saying gravity and extended electrod Dynamics yeah so Electro extended electrodynamics electrodynamics essentially is a series of equations that we utilize to understand the electromagnetic spectrum but there's like a large portion of those equations that we kind of just throw out because we don't utilize them in our our normal engineering and scientific work and so they're they're there they're part of the equation but we really don't know how to use them yet and people are starting to think that by integrating a full the full understanding of electrodynamics through extended electrodynamics that there are gravitational effects that pop out that we can utilize for technology whoa and they're actively researching that actively asking for collaboration on that from China same thing with cold fusion there's that lady that took off that's what she was working yeah cold fusion right another 50 60 topic that was ridicu went away well it's also now the the talk of certain Fusion communities instead they call it low energy nuclear reactions right instead of having a large fision or fusion reaction where a lot of heat and radiation comes out you do it slowly and incrementally and it releases a lot of a lot of energy but it doesn't have accompanying radiation or super high levels of like random heat that comes out and that's now something that very serious scientists within the fusion Community are studying and another technology that um the China representative at that at that conference was asking for collaboration on so are we investing in this is this work that we're doing in a dark lab because the open source Community is doesn't have the resources to be able to invest in this well let me ask you this so if you were the government let's just say they you know if you were them and you wanted to work work on some very very Advanced if you had some knowledge that this stuff was possible but you couldn't put in the private sector because then it would get pilfered it would get you get infiltrated by Chinese spies which happens all the time right wouldn't you hide it away wouldn't you squirrel it away somewhere like if you're doing the right thing if you're being intelligent about it wouldn't you if I wouldn't it essentially can't be public cuz it is in the interest of national security because it's such a big deal like if they develop a propulsion system that is completely reliant on gravity and they figure out like they're bending time just flying places instantaneously if that's the future of space travel like whoever gets there first that's a big [ __ ] deal that's a really big deal and that can't be out there in the public where China could steal the data or Russia could steal the data or Iran could steal the F you can't have anybody get a hold of this wow that clip is incredible extended electrodynamics I didn't realize that Eed extended electrodynamics was synonymous with gravity manipulation what they're talking about is Maxwell's equations they're talking about the scalar potential there they're pointing out that we are not using all the equations because of Maxwell's reduced equations being reduced by all of heavy side says it right there guys Let Me Rad the name of the inter of the podcast we're going to watch today okay here's the name of the podcast that we're about to watch beyond conventional physics extended electrodynamics lattice confinement Fusion lattice confinement Fusion is cold fusion that is cold fusion also known as lenr low energy nuclear reactions right Graves just said that the government has been taking low energy nuclear reactions otherwise known as cold fusion very seriously what have I been saying for the last nine months I've been saying that we covered up cold fusion in 1989 guys if you are new to this listen to what I'm about to tell you right now we watched several documentaries about cold fusion and one of the biggest takeaways that you're going to hear me say on the redacted podcast when it drops the the doe created a tribunal there were 60 Recreations of cold fusion experiments 60 six zero the department of Energy's response they made a tribunal and they visited the sites and they like debunked them they came up with explanations for why their results weren't valid and they forced them to retract all their papers all the prominent universities they forced them to retract their papers and cold fusion died in the 90s after that because of that it all happened within several months and it's crazy that people don't look at it and go obviously they suppressed cold fusion from the world they made fun of it they suppressed it they claimed that it was breaking the laws of physics and they forced all the key academics to retract their papers Eugene Malo from MIT literally blew the whistle and said that MIT fudged the numbers to made it look like it was not successful and he resigned from MIT in protest Julian schwinger couldn't get his papers was it Julian schwinger I think it was Julian schwinger couldn't get his uh cold fusion papers published in Academia This Is How They suppressed this science from us and then at the end of that clip Joe Rogan explains the whole UFO phenomenon what is it with the secrecy it's it's the technology that is the secret it's not aliens it was never about aliens it was always about cold fusion which represents unlimited green energy for the world and gravity manipulation because we can't allow our adversaries to get techn this technology we decided that we can't allow our adversaries which means we can't allow our public to have it either because if we gave this technology to the public our adversaries would automatically get it as well and of course there are other reasons including greed and power uh doomsday capabilities that can come with this technology that also need to be incorporated but the main one is this idea of National Security you can perform so many evil acts in the name of National Security and that's what we've been doing that's what we did with MH370 and the MH370 videos post them again because once again I'm going to say this again guys there is no UFO disclosure ever in this world until the MH370 videos are admitted to be real I going to battle everyone that tries to push any [ __ ] narrative out there until these videos are admitted to be real this is UFO disclosure right there in that video this shows cold fusion exists we're looking at it in these balls of plasma this shows that we can actually achieve energy densities that can break the schwinger limit and rip right through the fabric of reality this is what they're hiding from the world they don't want the world to know the evil [ __ ] that we've done to keep this technology secret over the many decades this was probably just one horrible thing that we did in 2014 we disappeared in airliner we teleported it annihilated It Whatever horrible thing we did to these passengers we did that to it and if this information were to come out is the public going to accept that we did this for the greater good the people that were responsible for this act that you're seeing in this video are terrified that somebody else is going to come out and find out about it within the government in the intelligence communities and they're going to expose it because from their perspective it won't be justified and I will say this one more time as well I shall say a couple things here is that first I'm going to advocate for the death penalty for the people that did this and the people that have been hiding this physics from the public I'm going to advocate for the death penalty to be executed possibly publicly so that we never have another situation for the rest of human existence in which we have governments hiding physics from the world it's a crime against humanity I also want to say that when these when this science has proven true all the stuff that I've been yelling about extended electrodynamics gravity manipulation cold fusion teleportation and wormholes when this stuff is proven true I'm not going to listen to any excuses and I already see them forming I can already tell they're looking for a narrative where they say yeah Ashton turns out Ashton was right about the suppression of cold fusion turns out Ashton was right that we can actually produce a wormhole in warp drives but that doesn't mean those videos are real yes it does there is no disclosure on this Earth until those videos are admitted to be real okay thank you very much Brad or Brady lenr Len Leonard chicken dinner uh thank you very much Chris melon is a knob let's fing go Ashton was right yeah guys okay so let's listen to this podcast guys we have a there's a long podcast we're gonna have to skip through a little of it but I've got detailed notes and I know this is what you guys came here for let's get right into it because you guys know how I am about uh you know um talking over the podcast how do I make this stuff go away I don't ever use apple whatever this is oh this is Spotify that's why okay here we go and Nations navigate ecosystemic transformation as our world is increasingly digital and interconnected ecosystemic models are reshaping society industry the Cen CEO of shft an extended electrodynamics including energy propulsion communication and bio and and we're joined here today by some of the the world's leading experts in these domains first and foremost I'd love to hand it over to my co-host Anna Brady Estes Anna would you mind introducing yourself okay okay hey everybody I'm Anna Brady Estes and I'm active in funding innovators and that's something that I've done in the private sector also at the national Science Foundation so this woman Anna is like in the National Science Foundation I'm going to skip through some of these um these uh um what the guests are instead we'll just go look at the names here for you guys I don't need to hear all the intros we got two and a half hours to get through here Hal POF is in this interview Larry forsley Larry forsley works with Hal Hol I believe on his gravity communication device Philip lent from unspace Richard bandrick I don't know these guys and anour bot Luis Diario this guy's name seems really familiar chance Glenn MK merrian Rema ID and then the hosts Anna Brady esz National Science Foundation Hal POF earthtech Larry forsley and then Dylan finle house okay so get ready here we go to like across many Communications the leader in the field in some of these areas how off I'm CEO of earthtech international we pursue Advanced ideas and laboratory developments in energy propulsion Communications primarily targeted towards space flly applications so it ranges all the way from Quantum systems for communication to evaluating potential G relativity models for advanced propulsion for p phenomena in collaboration with a number of government institutes SC it's great to see you today and so just want to note that in this field of extended behaves how to utilize it currently employed by the naval surface Warfare Center at Indian head as one of the staff scientists and we've been so we got major people on here we got Navy people on here as well we've got like uh there's somebody who works with the doe on here uh Larry forsley with NASA as well we found Larry forsley paper if you go look at my tweets from last night Larry forsley literally has a paper out there that says they've produced cold fusion using Lattis confinement he's going to be talking about it here I'm gonna skip ahead till about uh six minutes I think according to done of our Russians here may establish a link between electrodynamics bin fields and and gravity offering some very interesting possibilities uh he'd like very much to have an opportunity to get into those and perhaps use them to describe quantitatively how some Advanced propulsion systems could operate over and each of you is really active and in technologies electrodynamics will those early Med dense media water things that we can't propagate radio waves through another set of meetings that have been held including ludero and Lee hely mostly addressing how do we go about communicating through dense media water things that we can't propagate radio waves through and we wrestled with this we wrestled with various people who were trying to develop antennas and to both transmit and receive as we got deeper into this we found out that a number of pieces of what we thought were well-known electromagnetic equations maybe we're missing some pieces and some of those pieces had been noticed as early as the 1920s but they came to the four in the mid-50s and then proven in the 1970s the idea that everything is a field what we were beginning to wrestle with which Hal has done a great deal of work in is instead of the fields an electromagnetic field like light you have what's called a potential and there is no field so this is where we are now now in the Ed section the second part that Lou addressed is the possibility that electromagnetics and extended electromagnetics extends into general relativity Russian colleagues that Lou has been looking at in depth have purportedly used this to move objects at distances and this all kind of comes together when you look at what is it that drives uaps both in terms of condensed very compact energy sources and what provides them with the mechanism by which they can move around so what did he just say there he said he basically said Maxwell's equations are missing something the subtext of what they didn't say yes he almost said ether right he almost said ether now what I want to point out here for you guys right off the bat is that a lot of the time in this interview you're going to hear them skirting around the idea of The Ether you're going to hear them skirting around these Concepts that are not uh accepted in Academia this is intentional these guys are trained they have ndas they know what words to say what not to say people do not give the engineers enough credit these people know exactly how Academia perceives certain Concepts and they skirt around them and they'll use terms that will be more appealing like extended electrodynamics is just uh the in this case that the acceptable rebranding of gravity manipulation because when you say gravity manipulation people will check out immediately and he's talking about scalar physics right there as well this idea these potentials the potential in the Zero Point Energy is the waves that this energy is making the gravity waves the more or less density that you have it creates a gradient a pressure we call it gravity I think how was what have pointed out in a question answer earlier on another podcast it's not that the science that they may be employing goes beyond ours it just goes beyond our current engineering so a number of us on this podcast are if you will working on that engineering so as I'm the science is not unknowable the physics is knowable the problem is the engineering of it guys this is the biggest a narrative against the it being aliens the issue is an engineering in issue but what if there's a way where we can get around the engineering issue and we call it plasma listening to Larry talk about the energy implications here also the UAP implications I mean I think this is really something that the the level of Interest right now in advance Technologies certainly with space technology appears to be from my perspective having worked in the the last 15 20 years appears like it's at an all-time high and then the level of information that's following fields of Technology like UAP which historically was not as openly discussed say 15 or 20 years ago there's really an acceleration in terms of more being shared uh more that's public more that uh leaders have brought up and certainly uh ongoing discussions with Congress investors we're gonna a little bit we' developed more detailed and very sophisticated sensors so now our ships and our planes have unbelievable sensors and so these sensors are recording observations of what we call unidentified aerial phenomena and so it can no longer be kind of set aside because Pilots for example who have near misses have to report these phenomena and because of the increased sensor capability we have extremely excellent visuals infrared electromagnetic radar signatures and so on so this jump up in technology over the decades has gotten to the point where finally you can't dismiss the UAP area so Hal P off right there just blows the lid off of it says our sensor capability is amazing we can see these things uh MH370 vide videos anybody infrared thermal our sensor capability can detect these things now very well uh quick shout out thank you very much for this donation Rippy oh I've already seen the mark andreon clip I've posted it several times yes physics was hijacked in the Cold War potentially uh with World War II even going all the way that far back and we suppressed all this technology it seems like I just posted a clip as well where the Biden Administration potentially has a policy to downplay the whole UFO phenomenon this is all because of what they were talking about a second ago the energy source it's all about the energy source that's why the doe is involved in this it's always been about Zero Point Energy the whole UFO phenomenon is always been about how is this thing floating in the sky it needs an extremely compact dense energy source well we know what that is it's plasma Plasma's an energy source and so that's why it's come more into focus and as it's come into Focus there have been a couple of congressional investigations where they brought in pilots and so on to to say what is it they're observing so the tinfoil hat crowd kind of approach to this has faded away because now you have real people who are interested and then based on that you've had major legislation proposed uh in Congress to get to the bottom and to reveal to the public so that whole subject area is taken a giant step forward now back on the uh electromagnetic aspects if you make a VIN diagram let's say a large Circle and in there you put vector and scal of potentials a smaller Circle in there has electric and magnetic fields associated with it but that means there's a large part of electromagnetism where you can have vector and scalar potentials that don't have any electromagnetic aspect to them so if that's the case well how can you detect that well it turns out that when you draw from the classical level down to the quantum level Quantum wave functions of course have their phases and that's how they interact Well turns out that potentials affect the phases of quantum wave functions even in the absence of fields so if you're willing to drop down a level and get into Quantum detection where you are measuring the phas of quantum waves then you have the possibility of detecting uh vectran scaler potentials even if there are no em Fields associated with them and so in fact we have a a large program going with an a defense contractor several million dollars worth of investment and couple years down the road here where Quantum detectors for this kind of extended electrodynamic concept are being pursued okay what the AF guys Hal PUD off just openly said basically that the Potentials in the absence of electromagnetic fields where conventional physics would say there's nothing there he's saying these potentials will change the phase they change the phase of a wave so that we can detect it because we can detect the phase State change this is what we're seeing with the lamb shift the lamb shift shows uh phase change believe it's lamb shift or is it Aronoff bom effect I may be getting them uh mixed up maybe both of them Aon Hoff bom effect actually is the one that even in the absence of electromagnetic fields the potentials can change the phase this shows in my opinion it proves that the ether is real there is a medium out there and that even if there's no electromagnetic fields there's still something there and he just basically said we're creating detectors what did he explain then what is the scaler potential a scalar potential is a gravity wave a scalar potential is a gravity wave so what kind of detectors are they building he said they have a multi-million dollar contract with a defense contractor they are building gravity detection mechanisms again read between the lines they're not going to say the word gravity they say scaler they say potentials but we know enough physics now to know what he really means he means the defense contractors are building gravity wave detectors and so just the whole new area thank you for sharing how and I see as you're talking about Quantum and Quantum sensing I'm seeing our colleague you just want to say that this this group this extended electrodynamics group and people who have been exploring this Advanced physics this Quantum and the ties between anomalous phenomenon and uaps has included also tremendous colleagues across the government and many of them weren't able to join today it was a very short notice but I see Rema here from who's very active in the quantum sidea would you like to share anything with regards to your interest in these areas sure thanks for um hosting and for allowing me to be a part of this my name is Rema Kasha I'm with the US suprem of energy I'm the senior commercialization executive working on trying to commercialize Quantum Technologies and this this person's Department of energy executive working on commercializing Quantum Technologies I'm going to go full screen for a second guys do you realize that Quantum Technologies is just a fancy word for Gravity that's basically what they're saying here Quantum Technologies what the hell does Quantum Technologies mean what does that even mean like you guys realize they're speaking in code words and they can do so openly because no one knows what the [ __ ] they're talking about you guys know because we've been been literally researching this science for a year straight they just use quantum as a code word it's crazy and they get away with it because no one understands it also helping to build a space economy and I think this is an area that we need to be tracking we are looking at trying to develop Quantum sensing Technologies to protect our critical infrastructure and we're also interested in Quantum sensing what the these people just use their word Quantum like it means something other than small secure Quantum Communications and uh also supporting the development of quantum Computing so anything that uh reveals new information in terms of how we should understand quantum mechanics is important and relevant to our understanding of how to apply these Technologies uh for day-to-day purposes and for protecting our society and the critical infrastructure that we need every day and um and the ability to be able to harness energy in an efficient and uh secure way so this is an area that I think we need to pay attention to and and continue monitoring we're also realizing that sometimes we have to go back to the fundamentals and we guys I I'm losing my mind here because like this is like I'm actually like my mind is actually melting listening to this doe person just openly talking about looking for new energy sources this whole thing is about Zero Point Energy they've already been talking about The Ether and gravity waves and this woman just comes on it's like we got to look for we're looking for these new energy sources guys they're talking about extracting Zero Point Energy that's a department of energy executive on this call right here this interview is mindblowing to me I can't believe they're just they're brave enough to speak about this so openly and just assume that no one's going to get it realize that sometimes through the applied work that we're doing and so the fundamental science the basic science and the applied science need to work hand inand and create a feedback loop and I think a group like this allows us to to do that kind of thing you've got the today and so we need to be paying attention interest in advanc energy right so so Larry's active on the fusion side I mean I've been very active with both the space and energy portfolios where I've worked but so I think this piece and I wanted to give Hal the opportunity to just now to have brought forth that UAP piece because I think for people who have been staying in a specific field of energy or Communications they're not always aware of all the changes in terms of what's been released recently with the acknowledgement in Congress of whether it's data programs with uaps or with crash retrievals and things like that so it's a very different state of on the pilots he've been seeing these things with Advanced Energy characteristics multiple times a day so it's a very different period of time than it was certainly five 10 15 years ago so if we think about what was being openly discussed 15 years ago small fraction of what's out there today but there's still calls that that scientists could into the conversation okay one more thing I want to mention you guys real quick okay so somebody on this planet has Breakaway level technology that is fundamentally already past the singularity they've got free energy they've got gravity manipulation they can probably do a lot of other stuff that is just straight up magical to us someone on this planet has this technology today operable the people that we're listening to here are probably in the no about that and they are very good liars they know what to push out there to drip out the information that doesn't break their ndas now my opinion is that the the answer that makes the most sense isn't actually necessarily the military although I think they do have access to it the defense contractors the private military contractors make the most sense why they're much more efficient than the public and they're the ones who all these Engineers are working for even the cases Like Larry forsley who's working with NASA he goes and works for defense contractors as well and there may also be extremely wealthy people that are in the know that have been funding this because what what it always comes back down to is funding getting funding for your research at the end of the day I don't know 100% who has it I just know somebody on this planet already has it it would make sense that the department of energy is in the no they're the ones who are gatekeeping the whole UFO phenomenon I don't believe for a single second that it's about aliens not at all guys if aliens were the reason that we are covering up the UFO thing if there were aliens visiting us and the and the United States military didn't know how to deal with it the very first thing they would do is tell the world about it why because if aliens were a threat and they were going to pull some Independence Day then you need all of your brain power of your entire country to come together to try to figure it out the military is doing the opposite the government is doing the opposite of that what they're doing instead is they're hiding the whole situation they don't want any input from anybody the only situation in which you would hide aliens and you would hide the situation from the public is if you know the nature of it and you're trying to weaponize it that's why you hide it from the public if you don't know and you're afraid of the alien threat you let everyone know so the world can come together to try to find an answer so The Narrative of the aliens being what we're covering up related UFOs makes no sense whatsoever based on actions of the United States government let's get back into this I know that we are going to be getting into we have a number of entrepreneurs in the call who are working towards Advanced propulsion Advanced transport advanced communication Larry could you share what you were initially seeing from the fusion side or some of the ways that you got invited various meetings to to look at a few of these topics in parallel or Interlink sure I want to address something else too here because this is another argument and so people you realize announcing aliens exist could cause collapse absolutely not there is zero% Chance announcing aliens exist Does anything to our society whatsoever this is literally fanfiction by UFO Community people the UFO Community literally believes that telling aliens exist is going to force all their family who thinks that they're crazy to validate their experiences it's not go talk to a normal person on the street and ask them how aliens would impact them and you're gonna find out they wouldn't give a [ __ ] about it I think it's crazy that people have this fantasy in their head that you're GNA tell people at aliens and everyone's GNA freak out no reason to go to work tomorrow aliens exist that is never going to happen on this planet ever that's not how any of this works when we be when I became aw sare through ludero of the equations behind extended electrodynamics I had him under our NASA contract look into extending what's a standard piece of modeling code for molecular Dynamics which is a density functional Theory code to incorporate and see whether or not modified Maxwell's equations would change the probability that you might be able to do Fusion within a solid lattice and lattice confinement Fusion is what I've been working on literally for about 35 years now what we were surprised to find is it does make a difference under certain conditions and these conditions may actually appear in conventional hot Fusion toomax so we're trying to work all of that out too so there's a a convergence of understanding experimentation and modeling that's helpful and just not everybody listening is familiar with lattice confinement Fusion can you give us kind of a few bullet points on the what's different and what's expected to be advantageous sure much as Lou was Al how was mentioning that the whole business of propagating potential is a quantum mechanical effect what we also rely upon in a l metal lattice typically of say Titanium or herum uh is we load it with hydrogen Isotopes so instead of just regular hydrogen we put in there a deuteron which is heavy hydrogen it's got a proton and a neutron and under normal conditions if you want to make these fuse you've got to get them to temperatures on the order of say 50 million degrees what we find is because of quantum mechanical conditions within the lattice you have an effect called electron screening and it turns out that you are also confining these so they end up effectively being at a temperature very close to 30 to 50 million degrees so you have a metal lattice you can hold in your hand which when parts of it undergo fusion you have temperatures that far exceed even 50 million degrees that heat then dissipates so then the problem is not to get it started then the problem is how do you control it so it doesn't fall apart so lar right there is describing cold fusion he's describing cold fusion what he's saying is we don't need to achieve temperatures what he's saying is that these uh extended electrodynamic Maxwell equations actually show that if we take this heavy hydrogen uh dyum uh we can actually cause CT Fusion to occur at lower temperatures than what we would normally get because it's being confined within the lattice structure when you think of lattice structure if you guys don't know what that means that's like the crystalline structure of the molecules the crystal structure of the molecules he's saying causes these electrons or uh particles or maybe ions or neutrons whatever it is that's fusing to naturally come together without having to increase the temperature that's huge now the other side of it is this I am almost 100% sure that Larry forsley right here knows that plasma is a much better way to pull this off the experiment that he's describing here is extremely similar to pawns and fleshman in 1989 they took Palladium rods and they put it in heavy water and they saw excess temperatures in they saw Fusion happening that's pretty much exactly what Larry forsley just described so the key here is 1989 Fusion the cold fusion that got debunked or whatever Larry forsley is like literally recreating the same thing with NASA at Nasa Glenn that's what you just heard right there he even just said hot Fusion is probably a scam not in those exact words but that's what his the subtext was and basically enabling smaller Fusion which is important for a wide range of applications including in space and uh potentially much cheaper Fusion production is that fair to say very fair because I come out of the hot Fusion Community using lasers here in the states magnetic mirrors at Livermore toax in Germany and every one of these is from the international thermonuclear experimental reactor in France is now well over $25 billion and is the size of a six-story building cannot be commercialized and certainly will not go into space the current project I'm on to the NASA Innovative advanced concepts is to use this as an alternative power supply to melt through 25 miles of ice on icy worlds like the Jovian World Europa and the Satan World Enceladus and it turns out there may be far more of these icy worlds in our solar system and other solar systems and just plain bare rockk you for sharing that's that's very exciting work Larry and and I realize again talking with some of the most technically in-depth experts in the world we it's easy for us to go really deep into the science but before kind of diving into the science I think stepping back and saying okay we're talking about insights into a field of physics that has not been readily or broadly understood and acknowledged right and the ability to build things in ways that we haven't seen as much of a public exploration of the fields of development so as we've had these conversations in the Eed group that's this Quantum energy Advanced physics andalous phenomena type areas so many things have come up in terms of areas of faster better cheaper capability that doesn't exist or or isn't understood to exist or it or perhaps is observed but not readily harnessed so the communications have come up energy storage propulsion biology bios signaling Advanced Materials H I know you've provided us a in another in other meetings a tremendous list of the types of technologies that you've worked with but if you were to share what are if somebody's listening and saying why do I care about Eed or Quantum or anomalous phenomena well I can't communicate to submarines with ordinary electromagnetic means if spaceships are out there and they're surrounded by plasma I can't communicate to them with ordinary em because El bro what how P off J goes if there's spaceships out there and they're surrounded by plasma I can't communicate with them through a normal electromagnetic literally just said plasma are you kidding me salvator Pas P's patent uh inertial Mass reduction for a transm medium craft is quite literally a triangle surrounded by plasma what holy [ __ ] there's our first yatsi moment of the night guys do people not realize it's all about plasma it's always been about plasma it's always been about cold fusion now all the suppression makes sense there's a direct connection between the suppression of pwns and fleshman in 1989 and the UFO topic that is the energy source when Larry forley is talking about we're gonna confine our fusion reaction in the lattice blah blah blah [ __ ] all that I I'll tell you where to confine your fusion reaction in a ball of plasma that manipulates gravity that produces a natural sucking effect into the middle of it that's the perfect fusion reaction doesn't use temperature it's amazing magnetic fields induce responses in water or in plasma that prevent a signal that you're trying to send to get through so I start with that as a question and say well how can I fix that and so bro why why would he be bringing up plasma right here like there's no other reason he's just like oh plasma like why would why do we care about that why is plasma the secret you know you look at it you go oh okay yeah now I get it we got plasma orbs plasma is the means of propulsion that we're producing this is I'm almost like I'm 100% sure honestly I was going to say 99.9 but like that's what the government's hiding they are the government doesn't mind that Larry forsley is talking about lattice confinement Fusion because they know that the real Secret Sauce that they don't want their adversaries to know about is coherent plasma self-organizing plasma that produces the same properties just magnitudes higher magnitudes higher when we get into our Eed our extended electrodynamics uh we say okay well why is it we can't get through those uh barriers well it's because an ordinary electromagnetic signal when it reaches a barrier like that it induces responses uh with currents and charge distributions that basically prevent you from getting through the barrier so you say okay well how could I get around that well if I didn't have any electromagnetic component to my signaling system then I wouldn't induce these responses that prevent me from doing what I want to do well is there a way of doing that within electromagnetic so that's when we look into extended electrodynamics which includes looking at dropping a level deeper and looking at the vector and Scala potentials which in addition to being ordinarily useful in electromagnetism it also has additional aspects to interact with Quantum systems and so you could strip out electromagnetic waves and then you have just pure potentials potentials can get through plasmas or they can get through conductive seawat so that's a nice uh route to go by you take a look at what the problem is why what do you have to do to fix it can we fix it with any Technologies we have available today if we push them in a New Direction and so the Eed is like an example of that hear okay guys drink every time you hear the words Quantum plasma or scaler Quantum plasma or scaler we're going to get faded tonight guys you drink smoke whatever your you know partake of choice is quantum scaler or plasma yeah that's really helpful and and it kind of brings us back to why we need to really thoroughly do the research you know and have also the funding to do the research in these areas is many of these things are not it's not a luxury right so we experience if we're experiencing realtime Communications on Earth and then it's over a second to the Moon right so in terms of real time to the Moon if we're talking about speed of communications to to Mars in terms of 20 40 minute roundt trip Communications as we go out to Mars and even Beyond so I think this need for alternative modality and Communications are very important and obviously the ability to go through go through mass as well in terms of achieving the communications so this is a good so very much a difference between particularly when you're communicating through planetary Mass through whether it's an actual Planet whether it's bodies of ice miles of ice whether it's communicating through oceans uh very much a need to have here and then the speed at which those Communications can be attained very important as well I feel like this would be a good time to bring in Phil lent if uh if Phil's on yeah um my name is Philip Lin and uh we found an unspace about five years ago to investigate now that I've met these guys the intersections of gravitational uh physics and and Eed we certainly hope that they are related our experiment suggest that they are uh walking through use case I could repeat those certainly I uded Bodies In Space situations where plasma from the Sun interferes with communication signals I think we've covered those scenarios pretty well but what we found in the last five years is experiments have shown that SpaceTime uh it can be modified when we look at uaps we certainly see phenomenon that that defy anything that we can understand regarding materials that could stay together one life that it could exist 90 degree turns at mach 10 uh just should not be possible so if you you look at explanations warp SpaceTime curve space time certainly allow those things to be possible there's a a handful of other phenomena we look at pulsars with neutron stars we we see anomalies there that just don't make sense those things should be flying apart and they are not uh based on their spins when we use gravitational assist to accelerate spacecraft or probes to get to a a location at a faster speed we see anomalies with their accelerations and there's a handful of other anomalies we could talk about Dark Energy all day long but as we start to look at those things pressure starts to come into play and kinetic energy centripedal pressures related to spin those types of things are very much electrodynamic in nature could very well be tied to Eed and when you start to look at how waves need to propagate over some medium or we start maybe see an intersection between Einstein's special relativity general relativity and Eed because SpaceTime might very well be the medium that that these longitudinal scalar waves travel over so that's what we're doing drink chat he said scaler we are taking a curved SpaceTime we're sculpting it uh we're creating a higher energy gravitational Waves by curving SpaceTime kind of like a winds where a lot of you guys have heard of uh gravitational lensing well we are doing that not with light but we were doing it with gravitational waves what do you guys hear what he just said you guys have heard of uh lensing in terms of light they're doing lensing in terms of gravitational waves I'm sorry when I heard that I only thought of one thing remember the last frame on this video right here oh I missed it by one this Frame right here that one is that gravitational is that gravitational wave lensing happening right there I think that it is that's what this guy is talking about literally right now to create a higher energy level gravitational waves we've courtesy of Lago we have learned they're very weak but they certainly are a great opportunity for multi- Signal science astrophysical science and communication screams for it um so if you can concentrate these waves at a higher energy uh you don't need a 4 kilometer long leg of a interferometer ligo uh you can do this over 30 centimeters or so so he's talking about high frequency gravitational waves right now he's not saying it but that's what he's talking about then you've got a receiver that's an interferometer and you've got a boosted higher energy gravitational wave as a transmitter and then we osculate those as a function of acceleration changes and vibration modes so that's where we are today we've got the experimental data that shows that these things are possible it's happening we are sculpting SpaceTime we are now generating gravitational waves using what we call wave guide to create those at a higher to magnify those or concentrate them at a higher energy [ __ ] and now we're put we're building a custom interferometer at a small scale that's able to do what Lago does in support of communication bro how how is this not the biggest news in the world this podcast he just talked about how they're producing high frequency gravitational waves he didn't use that many words the ligo only produces low frequency gravitational waves and he's talking about increasing the energy level of it produce high frequency gravitational waves what is salvator pisa's patent oh high frequency gravitational wave generator thank you annna that's great thank you so much Phil and I noticed that while I was speaking on the com side it looked like how I don't know if Hal had something further to say or not but if he did I was kind of watching your expression Hal was there something that you wanted to add to my or Phil's comments I no I think it covered it pretty well um feel welcome to correct if I since if I said if I had said said something incorrect better for you to correct it but what we're seeing just way beyond our physics but in turns out that's not really a true statement it's as lar said it's it may be beyond our engineering but it's not necessarily beyond our physics and so I had the ex experience of making a list of all the weird things that had been claimed to have been observed on one side of a piece of paper and then on the other side of the piece of paper say if I could engineer Einstein's equations of general relativity the way we engineer Maxim's equations for electromagnetism what kind of effects would I would see and it turns out that across that piece of paper you can get a onetoone correspondence so I think that actually our understanding of some of the far out aspects of observations of UAP fall within a realm that we can understand and so then that provides motivation for saying okay well then how can we find a way engineering wise to to move into that band well we got a long way to go but at least we have a direction to go wow how if you wouldn't I mean obviously there's so much of this and we've got so many people who have seen wide number of really interesting observations and it pertain to any a whole expanse ofing I kind of think wasn't engineering how does that happen well it turns out that one of the predictions of your engineering well for example someone approaches a craft that's of a certain size and then when they get inside it's as big as a football field well how does that happen well it turns out one of the predictions of your engineering Einstein's equations you could have that happen another example would be when a person on the ground sees a craft come along and suddenly do a 90 degree turn at mach 10 you say how could anybody survive that if there were many beings inside however if you look at the engineering of general relativity you find out that under certain conditions time is running much faster in the ship that's being engineered then it's running outside and so they just take a leisurely turn of course when they look out at the people in the ground they all seem to be in slow motion so what looks like an unbelievable turn to us can be rather leisurely turned from those who are inside that's interesting so Hal made two great points I actually asked Dave Rossy about this claim like almost a year ago about this idea that the craft on the inside could be much bigger than what it appears on the outside and he said no that's legit and that's what Hal is saying right here he's saying the extended electrodynamics equations literally allow for stuff like in Men In Black where something could look very small but you get inside of it and now it's really huge that's crazy to me because that means that distance really is just an illusion Just an Illusion that we're perceiving out there other aspects military people who' gotten too close to powered up craft will often get or worse yet radiation sickness and so it turns out that when again looking at the equations of general relativity under these conditions of having advanced propulsion it turns out you get a blue shift in all the frequencies and so ordinary black body radiation coming off the heat Chad what what is Taris help me out with the Tardis guys and also so now how's basically explaining Havana syndrome as somebody else is saying is that if your wavelengths get blue shifted it can blue shift up into ultraviolet where you can get sunburn you know you can get damage guys I don't know what the heck Tardis means so hook me up either the craft oh it's Doctor Who thing okay got it thank you thank you ordinarily would not be particular particularly harmful if it gets blue shifted up into the UV and even beyond that into soft xrays well then suddenly you can be harmed by that so again there's an example where we see an observation and we can link it back to the physics and there are just a whole number of those yeah and th those are really are there any others that you think are I mean I think it's a good part of the reason that we're discussing this so much now is that not everybody has had all these observations that you've mentioned are public right these are all things that I've we've heard so many people who have been there seen it firsthand and there's there's books there's podcasts there's testimony to Congress all these things those three examples you just gave are sharable but at the same time it's not something that's in physics 101 it's not something that most many people left hand side of the sheet of paper the unusual bonds you think scientists or investors should be taking note of is the one you've shared you guys are going to love this ready well in addition for example strength of materials it turns out that the material bonds get blue shifted also so that means that a craft like that with material bonds blue shifted could go into the water go into land and not come apart because to those that are there the rest of the world looks like butter and so you're able to go right on through so so hardening of materials under these War SpaceTime conditions is is another element that you could uh pursue so all the all these all these fall in line in a very straightforward way and by the way it has been except in physics I put together a whole list of all of that and what the consequences are in general relativity and I published a paper in the Journal of the British interplanetary Society so this stuff is making it into the physics journals if if you know where to dig and what was the what I'm sure this is going to be a go-to read for anybody listening who cares about things like trans medium interactions or non- interactions with mass so that ability of something to I think what you're referring to on the observational science side is when we hear about these crafts that are going from 80,000 feet to sea level in less than a second on some of these things and I'm not sure what the speed is when they're going into water but they're not hitting it they're just there's not that impact one would expect based on speed so that kind of trans medium transport so what is what is that journal when did what's the date on that Jal of British what is it Journal of the British interplanetary Society L name if I could dig that up in a hurry we can always get back to you on that we can you can get back to you after have to dig it up y from Larry on the show notes so that the listeners have access to I I don't know if I just like blacked out but there was supposed to be some conversation of microtubules but basically what they were saying is that they believe that these scaler drink uh interactions could also be what our mind uses as well which so if you are the light type of people and I know a lot of my followers are into it like the remote viewing the woo side Etc these quantum mechanical extended electrodynamic equations can also apply to Consciousness to that link it's great there's another area that I saw that MK had put up a little question about so what about the Consciousness for example and interacting with materials and so on long time well it turns out the as I mentioned in in the Eed approach where you're concentrating on potentials rather than Fields uh you interact with Quantum systems and we use Joseph Junctions because they're the perfect sort of quantum detect you just hear what he just said he said Quantum systems we let me know I'm just going to replay it I'm not even gonna say what he said I'm just want you guys to pay very very close attention for these next 15 seconds listen very very carefully chat I'm not going to repeat it just listen carefully well it turns out that as I mentioned in in the Eed approach where you're concentrating on potentials rather than Fields you interact with Quantum systems and we use Joseph injunctions because they're the perfect sort of quantum detector that's used in Quantum Computing and Quantum Communications and so on well it turns out there's a whole field of research being pushed by Robert by Roger Penrose who's the Nobel Prize winner along with Stu Hammer off in which they've said now wait a minute there are actually Quantum detectors in the human body in the form of so-called microtubules and those microtubules operate like Joseph injunctions so the idea that you might actually have that kind of an interaction between Quantum communication systems and even the human body is not off the charts a lot of work needs to be done and of course they've been working hard on trying to show that correlation but so even getting into the idea that there might be communication processes involving the human body and vran scalar ways is not off the charts it all needs exploration and so that that's another area that based on mk's question could be pursued there's zero chance I make it through this without getting wasted chat also by the way guys Hal POF clearly knows way more I was talking to Bob Greener who's in the chat right now last night about this we talked quite a bit and even Bob put together a web and was like how put off's in the center of all this he is in the center of all of this stuff the guy's a great liar it's very clear that he knows exactly where the line is that he can't cross and he's pushing it right up into that line what I do want to say is my opinion of Hal is not that he's he's gatekeeping out of maliciousness Hal put off his gatekeeping because he has ndas and he doesn't want to go to prison he doesn't want to go to prison halud off might know more about gravity manipulation and zero point energy than any other human being alive right now he doesn't want to go to prison I think that he's saying as much as he can say without violating his ndas and his agreements that he has with the various defense contractors and what have you that's my true opinion of him I'm I'm open to change but that's my opinion as it stands today and I I do want to give MK an opportunity to introduce herself I mean she's oh and by the way Hal Poff is never never going to testify to Congress Eric Davis is never going to testify to Congress either these guys are fine going to their graves without getting the Nobel prizes they deserve they don't care about any of that [ __ ] it just doesn't matter to them been very active in this Eed group and we're grateful for her work and her participation oh one more point I'm going to get Hal PUD off is Nobel Prize I guarantee you guys if it's the last thing I do on this Earth after revealing MH370 Hal P off is going to get that Nobel Prize for his SpaceTime metric engineering paper I don't care if he wants it or not he's going to [ __ ] get it MK did you want to share your work in Advanced Technologies and energy and provide any additional color on your Consciousness question I don't have much of a voice but if Larry can I think Larry okay if I have something to contribute I will and Larry I saw that earlier you had you were ready to weigh in perhaps on an earlier point before we gone into the bio side yeah I was just going to point out that one of the problems with developing advanced technology is at what point have you moved from proving it in science to proving it as a technology and latus confinement Fusion got tarred and feathered much as UAP and UFOs did back in 1989 with what was called cold fusion and of course the question always is well if it's real why doesn't someone sell a product and it turns out we published two papers in the physical review journal back in 2020 and colleagues of ours in the United Kingdom have now turned into a commercial product they are going to be generating medical radioisotopes potentially in every hospital in the world what somebody in the UK took their 2020 paper of last confinement fusion and they turned it into a product but this is the hugest part guys everybody asks why are you not where's the product because that's not how science works commercialization is a completely separate thing from showing that scientific experimentation exists it's one thing to show that there's an effect out there it's a completely other thing to say we're going to build it into this device that costs x amount of money that we're going to sell at y price and we're going to commercialize it to the public completely separate things and this is where a lot of people say well you show me it where's the product why aren't you a trillionaire because these are separate issues people can flate oh you've developed some you've discovered some property of nature therefore you're automatically a trillionaire it's not how any of this stuff works guys using Lattis confinement Fusion so that's one the second one is how's point about the potential blue shift of the radiation that would normally just be emitted as heat and the blue shift implies that obviously there's a very strong gravitational field one of the side effects that he points out is people have gotten burned from these things from ultrav that'll give you at best a bad sunburn and the soft x-rays that will do considerably more damage one of the side effects which is never been used to my knowledge is to optically look with a spectrometer at the emissions when somebody comes close to these devices the reason it's important is that if you've got soft far UV soft x-ray radiation you will actually light up nitrogen in the atmosphere and since it's 80% nitrogen there's plenty of nitrogen around you so if these things are happening if someone has a cheap spect Optical spectrometer specifically looking for the nitrogen line you'll say I've passed something that is doing amazing things with the local gravity and the second thing that's related to this is I was tapped by the Navy oh probably eight years ago to come up with means to how could we tell this happened and directly playing into this is the idea to look at the time base on the okay so if you just missed what he said he said basically if we get a mass spectrometer and we film a UFO we're going to see the nitrogen line and that will prove they're manipulating gravity boom big thank you to uh Bob Greener who's in the chat right now who just gave a donation and several others as well I appreciate it also what I want to say right now is that Bob Greener Al and I also talked last night about Ken's shoulders and how it relates to this fusion and I think we're both in the same P Larry forsley knows that plasma is a much more efficient way to produce cold fusion but they're slow dripping out the technology that's not controlled by ndas National Security and the defense contractors they're allowed to do lattice confinement Fusion because it's not a threat you're not allowed to do oh it's time to make Evo of of ball lightning plasma that has a million times energy density of your lattice confinement Fusion that you're not allowed to do because that's a national security issue it seems like the plasma the plasma is the thing that is being kept secret for the interest of National Defense and they have several names for it one of it is condensed charge they basically just use code words for everything flight recorders which is nominally about one nond accurate and if you compare the time base when they take off with what they have when they come back if it's been shifted and provided it's not canceled itself out by having come close and moved away from a UAP you would see a timebase shift indicative of a relativistic change as they came close to the device so the idea is in each of these areas and many of the people that Anna's funded are building devices whose properties May in fact be encompassed by UAP that's true some of the UAP observables so it's kind of this getting back to the because when we think about what is a UAP I mean there's there are others who could better describe it on the call so I'll open it up to others but if you think about there's these Ultra Advanced craft and when we think about our own terrestrial craft that are Advanced so if we think about if you're putting up the ISS or if you're going to put put use any of our any of our ships that are going out further like a Starship or what do you put on it you're putting on your most advanced materials you're putting Advanced coms Advanced you're using what you see is the most efficient energy energy storage when you have a movable lab like the ISS you've got a honestly I'm not a big fan of this host I find here questions I mean I'm going to probably skip past most of her questions just listen to the answers you can understand the context just from the answers um okay so Larry for is talking about the blue shift how we can detect UFOs talking further about lce confinement Fusion the next part is going to be what makes the UFO uh oh yeah okay so here we go there's gonna be another yatsi moment I think coming up right now biology your best stuff so how you or Lou or Larry or others might have other definitions of yeah on a UAP guys can you imagine me being the host of this podcast we would have full disclosure I wouldn't even need three hours just give me one hour with these people and we're going to have full disclosure of exotic vacuum objects of cold fusion using exotic vacuum objects of teleportation using them because I'm just going to be asking them questions like what would happen if we took a super high electromagnetic field charged plasma and we jammed them together oh yeah we're g to break the swinger limit that would be their answer right there's all these systems that we would expect or that we know or present from what they're doing well let me first I can give you that the reference in jbiz Journal of the British interplanetary Society it's volum 63 Pages 82 to 89 in 2010 and the name of the paper is Advanced space propulsion based on vacuum SpaceTime metric engineering let me get back to what what Larry had said Miss what I most want to see somebody go to the trouble of doing is just simply set up a Broadband spectrometer to look at UAP and see if you get a blue shifted black body Spectrum from their heat so bro why is he saying this he must know that the military is already doing this he's like set up a mass spectrometer to look for the black body radiation like I don't know how the UFO commit is not paying attention to this if you're interested in proving UFOs exist you should be paying a lot of attention halud is saying here because he's seen it firsthand and he's probably seen it from defense contractor technology that is well beyond what the commercial publicly available technology is signature I mean that one measurement would like settle it as to whether this SpaceTime metric engineering approach is in fact the technology that's being utilized so like an experiment to do yes sounds like data worth acquiring absolutely and the problem is the UFO Community has no clue about the science like the best it gets is like people like Bob Greener who are looking at who are like tangent related to the UFO Community but Bob Greener is only like he's researching low energy nuclear reactions connected the UFO Community but he's not necessarily a UFO disclosure Advocate most of the UFO disclosure people have no idea how science works at all they probably don't even understand this interview you guys watching this right now know more than many PhD physicists do in one Fell Swoop you'd say aha we're right we we know what they're doing they're manipulating A Spacetime metric in accordance with the rules of general relativity okay so MK is asking in the chat and I do just want to because I think MK lost her voice fire off she just kind have some background on guys I I know I'm talking a lot here but this point in this donation we've leaped frog the aliens that is to me I think that's what salvator pis was trying to say what if we took the alien technology and we did something with it that not even the aliens can do to me that would that would actually melt my brain that would actually melt my brain if it turns out all along we we reverse engineer this alien technology just so that we can fight back against them using their own technology in a way that they don't even use it honestly my head will expl explode it'll actually explode I'm I'm open to anything I'm just telling you guys my head will explode okay so she's been funding a multi-year research project um through MK advisors to determine the effects of observation not true and intention on outcomes uh utilizing scientific methods applied by Hal at SRI with controlled remote viewing this so that's that's mk's background from the chat but then sep which she had put that in the chat earlier but I think MK also wanted to say Okay so this blue shift why hasn't this experiment which seems like it makes sense everybody on this call probably wants to do it why has that experiment not been done or not to say that it hasn't I don't know if it's been done or not but that was mk's question why hasn't that been done if it hasn't we're running into the usual problem that is the people that are in the field aren't interested in UAP and the people that are interested in UAP don't have the technical expertise we just have to get these people together bro but how off just I didn't even remember him saying that I can't believe what he just said he just said what I just told you guys the people that are interested in UFOs don't know anything about science Hal of course says it in a much more diplomatic way but he's saying the scientists don't care about UFOs the UFO people don't understand science that's our that's our real problem Jeremy Corbell goes on Joe Rogan and he doesn't know the difference between a semiconductor and a capacitor like we can't have people that don't know the difference between a semiconductor and a capacitor going on Joe Rogan to talk about UFO technology because they don't know what the [ __ ] he's talking about he doesn't even know the basics of electrical engineering and he didn't bother to teach himself either oh rwk records wow thank you very much it's good donation Ashton you are my hero would you be open to sharing all the files links videos papers Etc you've got on the subject uh guys I if you go through my Twitter post everything that I've ever done is publicly available everything that you see me post is open- Source information I have no inside information that anybody's leaking me that I get out there of course I have sources that tell me stories but I just assume stories are stories so there was even one time I want to say like two or three months ago where I off the top of my head in the middle of a stream I listed off 16 scientific papers and I made a Twitter post of all 16 scientific papers so if you go through my highlights you should be able to find most of that content or you can search through my profile otherwise uh I I'm working on potentially getting this stuff in a centralized location for you guys it's just it's just one person though so just bear with me on that thank you again for that donation it is a point in time where the observational side on the sensing of where these are where they're showing up and certainly in some cases I mean we have another gentleman who's been active in the Eed group Ryan Graves who's been on this podcast before who's one of the pilots who was seeing uh some of these Advanced craft uh from the on the UAP side on a daily basis so there is they're both entities that have long-term data on that but then from a citizen science stampo there's so much with regards to sensing now that there are private organizations that have access to that type of data as well from what I understand at this point so it's kind of a I think so it's beginning to come out yeah does it does it's beginning to come out and he just ref she just referenced Ryan Graves who just spoke about cold fusion I would never have expected cold that Ryan Graves would uh know anything about cold fusion he might know more than I thought I'm starting to think I want to know who Ryan Graves has been talking to there's no way Ryan Graves is studying physics on the side Ryan Graves is being told information either by Hal P off er Davis or one of these other Engineers like that for sure and now we're like this circle the circles the Social Circles of these people is very small we can actually connect basically everybody and figure out exactly what's going on 100% um I thought I saw another question oh yeah Clayton Morris if you didn't see the clip I posted it last night called me physicist I told him that's fine to call me physicist because you don't have to be a PhD to be a physicist physicist is just a term for people that study Physics which I am I guess as required resources so anyways that's what do we think it would so we would need to find one of these craft that you know that presumably is operating in the mode where the shift occurs so then what does this cost to do so okay craf are showing up in this location what is this a pretty simple thing this sounds like it sounds to me like it's pretty simple is there something complicated I think pretty simple somebody just I could do it Larry pretty simple let's get this for example you can buy for this purpose a reasonable spectrometer that can see into the near UV you can observe things in the area where you might spacecraft if you will efficient illusionary Zone the excitation of this is a let's get it done type thing and so so maybe some of the people on this call will get it done maybe somebody listening is going to get it done and they're going to you can reach out to Hal Larry and I and others on the call to let us know what happened did you validate this did you see something different uh because this this feels like it's a get it done now on the on the bio side of some of this how you and others I know there's been quite a bit published and I'm trying to remember if it's Kit green if it's published by kit or if it's published by others I feel like it might I'm trying to remember if it was in the book by latsky or if it was in another book some of the medical side of this but there's certainly been quite a bit put out on the medical side some of that focused on Brazil some of it other places but there're both documented cases that there's been damage to human humans damage tissue we also know a number of people who have seen is known and is in I mean if okay so right here how P's gonna talk about the mode the craft is in and when I think about this the idea of the the UFO having a mode it makes me think about Star Trek impulse drive versus Star Trek warp drive versus a wormhole if you guys have not followed me for a long time early on in the investigation you can go back to the old live streams I couldn't tell if the MH370 videos were showing warp drive or a wormhole I didn't know enough about the physics and now I understand those are just two modes of the same technology and so is impulse Drive impulse Drive is if you want to move a short distance you can just impulse yourself around warp drive is if you want to move a far distance or you want to move a short distance really quickly use a warp drive and then a wormhole is if I want to go from here to here instantly that's a wormhole and they all use the same exact physics which would make me think you could describe them as modes there are cases where it seems like it's safe or people are not adversely impacted is it a distance thing well it's a distance thing and it also depends on the mode that the craft is in I mean if the craft is landed and not powered up then there wouldn't be a problem necessarily so it just depends on circumstances interesting because I mean I've both seen Advanced craft and then I know people have seen them who have not who while they're under operation who have not experienced some of the detriments now that does not mean coming up within 5T of something or 20 ft of of certain elements but it is interesting to kind of get both the sense of what what those detrimental impacts are and then obviously there might be 100 meters away or whatever then you wouldn't necessarily experience anything UNT it's really okay getting close would be where the problem area was like a few feet say that's helpful so you can be somewhat close in terms of Realm of a craft like when you think about how far you are from an airplane when you're not getting on it you're not you don't need to be within a few feet so it's really much it's potentially much closer range and I've heard on the I've heard on the orb side both people say that yeah both people come in very close contact with orbs and then others that they're further away I've heard both people where there's been tissue damage upon contact other people who have gotten pretty close and not had any issues how do the orbs connect with all this bro what orbs out of nowhere everybody's just talking about orbs and yes thank you this is my new uh stocking Merry Christmas for everybody Merry Christmas don't don't look at don't ask what it is okay uh okay orbs that's still an area that's we haven't figured it out other than that we haven't figured it out a [ __ ] bro [ __ ] this is the first time I've heard an interview with Hal Hal PUD off where I can tell he's lying first time he's really good at lying notice how he laughs right here I'm gonna I'm going to go back 15 seconds listen very carefully he laughs right here I think it's I think it's a tell I've heard both people where there's been tissue damage upon contact other people who have gotten pretty close and not had any issues how did the orbs connect with all this that's still an area that's we haven't figured it out [ __ ] other than there appear to be some connection oh [ __ ] and that is something that appears to be a dude [ __ ] how how P off if you're watching this right now now I'm calling [ __ ] your partner was Ken shoulders your Finance year was Bill Church of Church's Chicken and you were he was literally looking into self- sustaining self-organizing plasma and you're trying to tell me you don't know what the orbs are you know what the [ __ ] orbs are Hal you know what the orbs are they're balls of plasma and you know it subset of the Advanced Energy side of all of this times it's accompanied by light it it appears to be accompanied with sentient control sentient control as in a drone is it's not just yeah if you didn't know this like literally like this is mindblowing like I want someone to report on this story how POF connected with Ken shoulders in the 80s and their Finance year was build Church of Church's Chicken that was the trio not even joking 100% true it's random Behavior it's something that and not to say that these are drones but things that are behaving as if they are directed or directing themselves either way non randomiz movement so so that's an area that you just called them drone perhaps is not as tied down on the energy and the light side of things yeah there's a lot of mystery there I mean there have been attempts to well let's capture a drone with a net and so then the orb comes it sees the net and it just Bobs Around It capture of the net chat I mean the these are obviously under what you would say quality control a fairly lengthy paper perhaps I could call it a short textbook written by the Russian theoretician the which can be it it publicly available all you have to do is Google the last name d is in Delta y a p as in thas l oov gatov and the words inhomogeneous vacuum domain and that will get you to his his paper and topics such as orbs are among the many things that that the outlaw of discusses in in that paper that paper came to our possession through one of the staff members of the United States Senate armed services committee by the way so it does have some but has achieved some Credence within the intelligent Community was that Kirk M well I'd rather p po share the name but but yet among that Community well actually Kirk gave me permission to use his name so answer is yes and I'm sure there are others as well because I think this the interesting thing is there's been give me permission to use his name such widespread visibility of some of both the craft and the phenomena that and there's also been access that how a number of the papers that you worked on are now in terms of the dur documents are now public but when those were still classified or confidential there were thousands of people that were going through that before they were foed and released so these people are all under ndas it's crazy that guy had to ask for permission to say somebody's name and now they're bringing up the DDS guys the DS were classified if you don't know what the DS are the defense intelligence reference documents 38 scientific papers on extremely advanced concepts including warp drives and wormholes extracting energy from the zero point fluctuations uh high energy lasers and directed energy weapons uh other forms of propulsion Magneto hydrodynamics all of these things basically what happened was the defense intelligence agency gave a contract to Hal Poff to get 38 Papers written by the best black project engineers and physicists that Hal POF knew again it all goes back to Hal POF and the papers were classified and they eventually got unclassified I think in around 2017 or 2018 when they got Foyd and that's how we all know about all those papers I've read probably six to eight of them and they are probably the most most important scientific papers in human history I don't say that lightly there is also just a large number of people who have either seen things experienced things or been eligible to go through any r on or people that is to discuss what I had mentioned earlier the coupled Maxwell heavy side equations these are a set of equations that are very similar to standard max wealth equations that every student of electrical engineering and physics and uh many other disciplines are are taught uh at the undergraduate level nowadays the fact that these Maxwell's equations are not simply a standalone edifice but they may be coupled with another set of very similar equations known as the heide equations which do involve a coupling between gravity fields spin Fields tells us that there is a possibility that all four of these fields may be coupled together and that may not be just scientific speculation because at least one inventor by the name of Thomas Kon Brown has been experimenting with the coupling between large electric fields and gravitational fields or at least uh truck fields and there is even some reason to believe that some of this work of brown towns and brown may have found its way into some of the aircraft currently in service in the United States Air Force active inventory the difference though is that towns and brown and of course Nicole Tesla were neither of the two of them particularly fond of the discipline of vector calculus unfortunately if you want to get into either Maxwell's equations or the coupled Maxwell head side equations you have to use principles derived from Vector calculus in order to reduce the equations to practice and produce okay let's skip ahead a little bit of that okay Thomas thomon Brown if you've been watching me you know all about Thomas Thon Brown watch the Jesse Michaels documentary about it if you don't if you're not familiar but basically Thomas Thon Brown figured out that electromagnetism is directly connected to gravity and he realized he can create a pressure force that allows metal plates to just lift off the ground and you're like oh that's anti-gravity this is the part where people first started to realize that gravity is connected to electricity and electromagnetism that's the reason why you don't learn about Thomas Town Brown because if you did you'd realize that gravity in the universe is Electric in nature okay let's skip ahead a little bit the set of engineer the heavyer term that are not well defined and the standard model is one of those and we we may be opening the doors to to a good many sets of new physics that apply in ways we can't even imagine so what he's saying right here is well we're about to create unification using electromagnetism and quantum mechanics and the standard model when we think of the standard model that's our macroscopic understanding of the Universe from physics perspective basically what that guy right there was saying in uh Kinder terms that I say it general relativity is wrong it's not that it's entirely wrong but it's generally wrong and needs to be improved and Zero Point Energy is going to be the thing that fills the Gap we don't need Dark Energy we don't need dark matter we don't we can actually model our solar system with 0 energy being involved with with all this energy that's out there it's electromagnetic in nature we don't need all those other things anymore that's it Anna thank you it's great and is there anything else that joined more well here we go I'd like to touch on chance for a minute and and that's one area that that really surprised me I I had not thought of um U burst of energy or or basically cathode ano methods as a way to generate gravitational waves and that was new to me so I want to say that's a very myopic answer to your question but from a broader point of view the gaps are pretty simple um engineering or engineering meets physics is is the gap and we we're we're collectively I think all of us are inventing creating opportunities for new engineering and for example most of us are using interferometers and interferometers have a noise floor and and because all of us need Quantum level measurements and the noise for for interferometers occurs uh for the people that are wondering what does electric Universe really mean what does that mean for me as a normal person basically what it means is that electricity electromagnetism is the answer for gravity gravity is connected to electromagnetism the Zero Point Energy this ocean of energy that we don't see but it's all around us all the time it's electromagnetic in nature think about that for a second that means everything around us from the very small to the very large is all electromagnetic in nature this means that we can explain the whole universe just using electricity electricity is what connects the very large to the very small this idea will give an aneurism to a mainstream physicist because they've been taught their whole lives the general relativity shows that space is an empty vacuum this isn't consistent with the idea that the universe is electric the alternative theory is that space isn't empty at all and even in this small invisible layer that we can't see there are tiny subatomic particles constantly popping into existence particle anti-particle pairs are constantly popping into existence everywhere all the time and we can shoot a potential a wave an invisible ible wave through that medium and as we're going to learn in a little bit here it might be going faster than the speed of light when it does that at the quantum level I think we're all collectively finding ways to make interferometers better so that's just one example and and that's where we have to get better with engineering across the board great Phil and I know you're really we have a number of people on the call with capabilities in Communications but you are certainly one of the experts you know in our group who's one of your primary focuses is the communication side as as you think about the potential for communications more broadly of understanding these various forces the adomos phenomena the extended electrodynamics and Beyond Quantum Communications and sensing are there anything things you would lead leave us with in terms of the the vision or the what might be possible and some of the big questions yeah the reason all these things are are coupled is because Communications ultimately Eed holistically is is certainly doing something with SpaceTime that is the medium and all these things come together to not only result in Communications or the opportunities are great he wants to so bad we know relay satellites take way too time too long to relay information we know that occluded bodies olude communication with space probes all the time we know that we have to make adjustments to gravitational Assist U models because they're not working exactly right so I think I'll just leave it at that that everything we're doing relates to the unknowns and ultimately moving forward I hope to hope hope that we continue collaborating and sharing information because okay dude he just say ether bro you know he wants to say he's like the medium of SpaceTime what do you mean medium of SpaceTime what do you mean by that nobody challenges him the host doesn't say anything if it was me and I'm the host the next question I'm going to say is so you're saying that the ether is real right like God it's just killing me how much these people just use code words because if they don't use the code words then all the academics say you're a quack you're a pseudo scientist it's like bro just get over it stop caring what other people think of you this was my main criticism of Sal PES which guys you know I love sa I love him more than basically anyone he's got to stop carrying what Academia thinks of him we're not in that world anymore that's like caring what the media thinks of you if the media wants to say I'm a racist or a bigot or whatever go for it I don't give a [ __ ] I don't care who cares what people think of you just say the truth who cares about Academia Academia is dead pretty soon there's going to be a new peer review process that has nothing to do with Academia anymore having an open door for information is key and I think that's what you've taught us Anna is you've taught us not to be so protective with maybe even our IP even though you always say hey protect with your IP the fact that we are sharing things here today in ways in open ways that i' I really haven't seen anywhere else I just like to tip my hat that this process needs to continue and get better for that so really I do want to comment on that so one of the things I would say about the IP and I've noticed this as well is that Engineers the moment they find out that there's this magical technology they immediately go into silence mode I've got to patent this I gotta be the one to figure it out because they assume that everybody else is on the verge of figuring it out so hypothetically someone figures out oh I can manipulate gravity using these uh ycb superconductors and they go [ __ ] I got to go silent about this I got to not tell anybody how I did it I gotta patent this so I can protect my IP and I can make a bunch of money off of it and then they find out oh humanity is a bunch of Primitives and we don't understand science at all and even if you would just told us how it all work we still would have said it's fake even though it's real experimentally so people should shy on the side of just tell us how it works don't worry about IP if you're right you're going to make a lot of money anyway you'll never have to worry about money ever again no matter what just tell us how it works explain it stop don't go don't go be quiet about it that's what allows the government and Academia to suppress it over and over and over again we need more voices out there that are influencers in the Zero Point Energy Community appreciate you're you're bringing your expertise and your leadership into the group as well and I do think that this MK had referenced earlier some of the programs that Hal had worked on previously which one of the things that actually initially brought us to make these ties between Advanced propulsion Advanced comms one of the things that led us back to uaps was the potential for faster than light Communications so guys I am getting I I've got a flag staff Mass down here you guys can't see at the moment faster than light communication this is exactly what I was talking with Professor Simon Holland about just this weekend two days ago if you have not watched that check out that interview can we actually achieve faster than light communication it's actually mindbending when you think about it because conventional physics would say that you're violating special relativity that you're violating C ality because if you can achieve faster than like communication they say that you can send a message to the Past can you I'm not sure so some I don't remember what the exact question was that a number of us were exploring together but then we got back to well actually on the advanced communication side we do have documented Declassified materials she's the sending information packets hell wanted to speak further to that well if we really want to sort of go out in the limb on on things that should be pursued you can ask the question why does em propagate at the velocity of light well there's a series of papers by Urban Urban we need these papers in which he addresses that issue and says well it's because the background that electromagnetic signals are propagating through is the course the the vacuum that's full of its fluctuations so we can look in the vacuum as being kind of a sea of electron positron plasma and so he did calculations and said okay when an em signal goes propagating through this background electron positron virtual plasma it induces effects and it takes certain amount of time for that effect to occur and then the wave goes further and once again it induces and so there there are reasons why C happens to have the value C well that raises the issue then okay well if I'm sending a signal let's say an Eed signal where I have gotten rid of electromagnetic fields then they won't induce these intermittent steps and so is there a possibility that some of the Eed signals propagate faster than the speed of light well that's a laboratory thing that needs to be pursued when you bro I can't with how P off right now I how I love you how P off you're my favorite physicist of all time at the same time it's so obvious he's lying right here like so obvious oh someone needs to test if uh you know if we were to remove the Zero Point Energy from a region would the speed of electromagnetic wave achieve go faster than the speed of light he knows the answer is yes he knows the answer is yes because literally later on in this exact interview he explains how the permitivity of free space changes the speed of light he knows it and he's sitting here and he's beating around the bush if I know it after just one year of studying this guy's work of course he knows it it's like he's literally trying to give us breadcrumbs to follow that's what I feel like watching this or listening to this it's like hey guys faster than light communication might be possible maybe somebody should do an experiment where they you know push out the electromagnetic Zero Point Energy from a region and see what the speed of light does you start asking such questions as why is the speed of light C and not something else so anyway there there there's a whole new research area I'd like to see somebody pick up and follow he's already done it and that's very thoughtful of you to suggest that people should pick it up I agree with you on that side but then I'm also remembering that there was in terms of one of the programs that you were involved in that so just public data there was um the attaining of information okay let's so when the eclipses of the moons of Jupiter occurred I'm gonna skip part through this basically talks about the that somebody was able to see the eclipse on Jupiter through remote viewing faster than the electromagnetic wave got to Earth and his argument here is that you could you're remote viewing the information faster than the speed of light which is actually compelling it's actually a pretty compelling argument we just don't have time for it tonight so we're gonna skip ahead here uh oh they're gonna start talking about gravitational enter into account the speed of light well he used that to calculate a speed of light 400 years ago and he was roundly dismissed for it and basically this guy's saying somebody researched the speed of light and they realized the speed of light was not a constant like we thought it's kind of compelling but not iner situation was real the batteries supported sh side I'd like to give chance and anchor an opportunity to share their work um chance could you share a bit on in energy and energy density propulsion Al kuer Drive other areas of work thank you I really have been been chasing this for a little bit but it really is all about trying to link energy and energy density to SpaceTime curvature and to do it in a way that in an experimental way and to uh then uh be able to uh consider ways that this could be used for propulsion and and advanced propulsion all what miguela cuer first kind of cited as a way of kind of kn Co colloquially as warp drive but it is that you skating on curvatures of SpaceTime as a way to even suggest that you could travel beyond the speed of light uh because we do know that uh gravitational waves have the capability of moving beyond that speed wait we just we know that gravity waves can move faster than the speed of light is that just common knowledge that wasn't common knowledge to me but this guy chance literally just said just now 5 seconds ago that gravity waves move faster than the speed of light really okay uh and also that I use a good example I often use that if you're sitting in your car and you know you press accelerator you you lean backwards because of inertia but if you instead when you press the accelerator and all of the road moved around you would still get to a destination but you wouldn't feel the inertial forces so if you able to manipulate space and time and I do emphasize time as well you could do something like this now as I began looking at it my main goal was to understand that through Einstein's equations energy density is a key to to doing this guys this guy is just firing off facts right now how many times have I told you guys what warp drive is warp drive is like being on a conveyor belt you're not moving you're moving the SpaceTime around you that's what he just said and then he's saying it's all about the energy density the energy density what is he talking about when he says energy density Z Point Energy chat that's what he's talking about he's talking about the energy density of the Zero Point Energy if you remove the Zero Point Energy in front of you you're going to have a pressure effect where you get pulled forward automatically the same way where my legs weren't moving right there I was just rolling on my chair it's actually that simple it's actually that simple so when a lot of you say I can't understand this I'm not a physicist yes you can understand it it's actually very simple if you use Simple analogies that we experience every day and then the next step was that in order to get a very high energy densities and sought out some papers that kind of s suggested certain thresholds that you needed to be at in order to uh observe some sort of effect um in order to in increase the energy density you could either have a lot of energy or small a very small volume and that's what I elected to do through a a spark gap type of experiment and as others have mentioned I did utilize interferometer to uh determine whether or not the observations I made were indeed gravitational waves now uh I've done a lot of work to uh eliminate some of those factors and those other uh uh methods that might be uh causing the fringes in the in the therometer to actually move which is what I have observed and the biggest thing to consider was in my dude just say he saw the interferometer move in terms of the Waves the interference pattern that's the Martin gnik experiment and he just said that when he's saying that he's saying they're producing gravitational ripples that's why you're seeing the movement in the inner therometer waves he literally just casually just dropped that right there that what you just heard from I think this is chance he was basically confirming what Harold Sunny White with n experimented with when he was trying to produce a warp bubble and Harold Sunny White said we produced a real warp bubble not a not a virtual one a real one and he just said right now the same thing guys about a year ago I told you guys if any one of these Concepts em Drive warp drive wormholes if any of them are real all of it's real because they're all based on the exact same physics and so is free energy free energy being able to just pull energy out of the ether is based on the exact same physics principles as em drive also known as The Impossible Drive Star Trek uh uh impulse Drive warp drive and wormholes all use the same physics all you're doing is you're bending SpaceTime and how do you do it and energy density so why is there a huge amount of gravity on Earth the reason why we have so much gravity on Earth is because the Earth is a giant ball of energy so the energy density near us is relatively large so there is a pressure that is for formed and we call it gravity pretty interesting makes of refraction and I've done a couple of experiments one using different laser wavelengths two to use different orientations of the laser in uh consequence to the spark itself to see if there were changes due to those different orientations as well as other using different Gases such as helium uh yes so the bottom line is one that uh I believe that I'm uh generating very small gravitational waves and laboratory and Bros you know why I get called a physicist if I wasn't a physicist I wouldn't have just called this guy explained what he was doing a second ago with the laser interferometer and I told you guys he was making gravity waves and what did he just say right there five seconds ago he said I believe I'm making gravity waves I'm gonna I'm gonna go back 15 seconds just so we don't miss itations as well as other using different Gases such as helium uh yes so the bottom line is one that uh I believe said I'm uh generating very small gravitational waves in the laboratory and number two uh I'm uh putting all my observations and hypotheses together in the paper that I'm about to uh try to publish in in one of the physical uh review letters as will be my first attempt um but I'm I'm working on that now and um I'm pretty excited about what I'm seeing so far I'm very encouraged by things particularly that Phil is has said or these guy this guy is not nearly as good of a liar as Hal POF is I can just tell listening to this guy that like he knows he has an NDA and he's like every time he talks he's thinking about where the line is and he's thinking about like what scripted response he has to give I can just tell right away like I honestly don't know how I have this superpower but maybe it's from playing poker or what have you but like I can just tell when somebody it's not lying necessar it's like the Benny Jes in the Dune show where they have like the truth saying power and they'll be like and then they can just tell if the person's like being honest or not like I have that power I don't know how in with regard to his observations as well as also the connections between electro electric fields electrodynamics and uh gravitation I think we might be scratching a surface on that kind of stuff so with that that's the main portion of some things I'm done and it's been funded by the National Science Foundation and we're looking to continue to build upon that work so much for that was the most scripted response I've ever heard in my whole life he's like and it's been funded by the National Science Foundation who's literally the host the host is literally the head of the National Science Foundation and we look forward to continuing that work like this is like she's got a gun to his head and she's like you better say the [ __ ] right thing or I'm gonna pull this goddamn trigger like that's what that felt like right there like he's so that guy is so uncomfortable right there it's not it's not coming off naturally and that's why I like live streaming because I just give you guys my unadulterated opinion which shows you that like I'm always being 100% forthright bring that chance I think you're the work that you're pursuing is really cutting to how do you achieve that Ultra fast transport that Ultra efficient transport so it's just really an important area of work both that you're doing and hopefully more and more people will get active in this space and I see both aner and Richard are also very focused on the advanced propulsion aspects Anor guys even when it's a situation where like we don't control the questions you can glean so much information from this you can glean so much to me at this point I'm not even trying to learn physics anymore I already know all the physics everything they're saying is corating what we're saying you know what I'm learning from this I want to learn the interpersonal relationships between these people these people are significant people at the doe and NASA and the black projects I want to learn what are interpersonal relationships are like who likes who how do they interact with one another who's the best liar that's the stuff that I want to learn I want to interview any of these people they're gonna be terrified to talk to me terrified even though I have a massive platform why because I don't do no [ __ ] I don't do no [ __ ] I just get to the facts and I can just see right through people like they're transparent you like to share sure hey everyone my name is encor bot I'm the founder of hover Incorporated I founded this company back in 2022 and the CEO and CPO we got on you buddy my background is in electrical engineering and experimental physics and I have a masters in double from UCLA so basically the concept of the hover Drive which is what we're calling it is a propellantless vacuum Thruster so it's kind of a Quantum Thruster holy [ __ ] chat this interview is fire I don't care if it takes five hours to get through this interview tonight we're probably just going all night he just talked about em Drive most people are not going to catch that you guys probably all caught that because you've been watching along his hover drive he just said it's like a q Thruster the Q Thruster is the other version of the EM Drive these people just make up new words for the same thing Em Drive was confirmed by Harold Sunny White from NASA in 2015 Sal pis even references the results in one of his papers everything I just told you 100% True by the way and instead the media attacked the EM Drive they said it's impossible you can't have a drive that has a propellantless Thrust it's not possible according to the laws of physics why because the mainstream physicists are retards they're retards chat this guy is now about to talk about em drive right now he made his own version it turns out here we go and I have it patented back in 2018 with Frank Becker who actually proposed the idea to me he actually had done some testing back in 1990 as a student and he was trying to replicate another effect that's famous and wellknown and he thought he saw something and approached me in 2017 and I actually started a lab and I started doing the research on it so okay so I just told you it's about understanding the interpersonal relationship so what did he just say he goes one of my buddies just told me about some other experiment he doesn't say em drive but that's exactly what he's talking about it's no question he's talking about his buddy saw the Harold Sunny White results from the EM drive and he said I thought I saw something there in 2017 and then in 2018 they patented their own version of the EM Drive why would you patent your own version of somebody else's uh debunked experiment oh because it works guys I have a a Twitter post out there that's called bold predictions I actually have two of them and in one of those bold prediction posts it says I'm gonna tell you something that nobody will tell you and it says em Drive is real em Drive is real I made sure I had it on the record because everybody thought it was fake and now we're listening to a guy on a podcast sponsored by NASA who has his own em Drive this actually increases the number of em Drive applications to like five different em drives Charles buer was going viral like six months ago because he has been testing his own version of em Drive let's keep listening basically I would just describe what it is it's pretty simple it's a capacitor so for people who don't know it's a capacitor is just two plates a cathode and an anode and you get these plates really close together and you get extremely high voltage on them now the difference is here is a lot of people have done tests on with high voltage in capacitors but we propose the idea to get these plates very close together and Hyper accelerate the electrons from the cathode the negative side to the anode and we would accelerate these electrons to on the order of 10 to the 23rd meters perss squared so immense accelerations and from what I know from what I think that hasn't been really done before especially that immense acceleration so we thought that hey perhaps that when you do this very high acceleration this might actually do something and the reason why we thought that is because we were both interested in Professor mullock's work it's a quantise inertia it's controversial but it's an interesting Theory saying that inertia and mass is actually tied to the rindler Horizon guys you want me to be controversial I think we've surpassed uh Mike Malla mik M McCall has this idea of quantitizing nury he's 100% correct but he's not outspoken enough and therefore he's not going to get the credit he deserves you know what [ __ ] you you're screwed over we've surpassed him MH 270x has surpassed Mike McCulla also Nim herine is also he's dead he's correct as well there's several people out there that are just they're correct on their General view of gravity inertia Mass Zero Point Energy but they're not going to get the credit they deserve and the reason is that they were not bold enough they were not bold enough m370x said you know what we're going to prove all these things are real and at the same time we're going to prove that we literally [ __ ] teleported in an airplane teleported in an airplane with some floaty orbs that were already doing it where most people would look at that and they would go you're literally insane we go nope we're not we're not insane we can prove those videos are real and in the process we're going to go ahead and solve this UFO thing we're going to teach you where gravity comes from we're going to actually just give you free energy why full screen why are we going to give you free energy because you know what we wanted to figure out what happened to a missing airliner so for all the people that been hiding free energy we just gave you free energy we're going to give you free [ __ ] energy just because we were trying to solve a missing airliner yep our reasons are that petty in fact it gets more Petty let's keep going so the rler Horizon is an information Horizon meaning that if you accelerate something to an extreme level you can bring this information Horizon locally and close by so we can bring this rler Horizon to about 2 millimeters and we found that when you bring this very close by and you also have this High field with these two plates together you can actually get a net force on this capacitor so you can think of it as a type of quantum wind that happens between the rler Horizon and the cathode it's kind of this quantum wind chat first of all drink Quantum wind chat what do you think he's talking about here chat Quantum wind um bro he's talking about The Ether and he's talking about making gravity waves the quantum wind these people making up fake ass names for things actually just cracks me up it really just cracks me up because we're smart enough now to actually completely understand what they're talking about yes please hit the like button guys we are popping off tonight if you want to understand free energy and gravity manipulation tonight is your night my Casmir senses are tingling thank you thank you Eric Spencer why he's talking about putting two plates together what does that remind you of put them very close together yeah it's called the Casmir effect so he's talking about Zero Point Energy now what are they doing to manipulate it it's an engineering problem right guys I'm going to literally teach you how to produce warp drives impulse drives and wormholes tonight he's putting a high voltage through the plates Okay so we've got two regular plates and when they come very close together they stick together because of the Casmir effect so how do we engineer that this guy decided add a very high voltage between the plates and it creates an even more powerful effect maybe it even amplifies the effect increases the effect and then how do I determine what direction I want it to go yes literally all you have to do is change the geometry make the plates into a triangle now you'll have a propulsive force going this way or if you go like this the propulsive force will be going downward that's literally all there is to it the EM Drive was just a cone it was just a cone that was it Casmir effect plus a cone plus high voltage boom Star Trek impulse Drive region of space and basically we said okay we got to eliminate all the artifacts and whatnot and so in 2018 we wrote a technical paper it's on the archive and you guys can look for it online hopefully the link will be on this um podcast and you can see what we did but the problem was for years we could do it once in a while it wasn't reliable and not till probably July of this year is when I could get a pretty reliable almost on demand so we were pretty excited about that basically the force is proportional to the current accelerated current divided by the force is proportional to the current wow that's an amazing statement to make because you would say okay how much how much force can I get out of it it's proportional to the current the current is the electricity flow between the plates what they're saying is as long as you keep adding voltage the force generated is going to increase linearly it's not exponential but it's still pretty damn good that's still significant claim the distance between the plates so the electro distance squared so if you can imagine if we can get these plates very close together we can get an immense amount of force right now we're getting forces on the micr into low millon range so small amount of force but in theory if we can get these plates very close together and we can skill it up we can get into significant amount of force in the Newton range and yeah that that's basically what we've been working on we're pretty excited about it I would say we're about a trl4 meaning we can okay I'm gonna skip ahead because we just went through the important part I just taught you guys how to make Star Trek impulse Drive do you guys see why I was so excited for this holy [ __ ] this podcast has very serious people openly talking about The Ether the EM drive faster than light communication faster than light uh I already said that one uh travel this thing is no joke potentially they're gonna talk about free energy here in a minute too and they're just doing it in coded terminology they're just doing it in coded terminology and everybody on this call understands exactly what they're saying all the people on this call know what they're really talking about and if you were to talk to any of them in private in private they would admit it if you were to talk to them in public they would not admit it the same way where when I was talking to Salvadore pis I was like are you just talking about free energy in The Ether here and he's like uh Academia doesn't like remember when I asked salvator pis about negative energy I said s you know he dodged around the negative energy thing and I said are you just talking about negative energy and he goes well Academia doesn't really ex respect the idea of negative entropy it's a very controversial Concept in Academia and I just go [ __ ] Academia bro it's negative energy I can see it's a cold teleportation event it's ice cold it's Black come on let's not beat around the bush here there is no such thing as a negative entropy event well there is now show to Laboratory test and our goal is to get to TRL 9 eventually but TRL 6 is the next next goal poost and we are an NS kind of just if you inter orbital adjustments things of that nature even right now in this region we think that has promised there which is already exciting especially when you have this prop this propulsion meaning no fuel okay okay I'm going to skip ahead past this guy because we gotta we got to keep this thing moving we're never going to get done but basically he's saying even at these small amounts of thrust and force we can use this to na to move satellites around in orbit so he's saying like this is useful like people don't realize satellites don't move in orbit but if you have an em drive on them they can so spoiler alert guys the Spy satellites that are in orbit right now they can actually move they already have this [ __ ] on them locked Martin north of Grumman they already know about all this it's the public that doesn't know so the reason why they don't tell you the capabilities is because they literally have things that the public thinks are impossible on our spy satellites in orbit right now right this what you're listening to here is soft disclosure that's what he says here I'm gonna skip past it and you can power it by solar panels or to so to Europe the answer is the speed because a number to Proxima centuri um in about okay and then this part here he says oh you can get to proximus centu our nearest star in seven years with this em Drive guys em Drive is like guys em Drive is old and busted em Drive is literally old and busted and we're never using em drive to go to any other star anywhere in our galaxy or anything like that we're going to use a wormhole using em Drive is like deciding that I'm gonna go walk to the city instead of taking my bike or taking my car [ __ ] that noise I'm taking my car every time well screw taking a car we're literally going to jump in a Stargate and I'm just going to be in like LA or New York that's the difference so em Drive is like just proving that the ether is real that's the only point of em drive and for very short distance travel like I don't need a Teleport to the room next to me there's no point on that I can just walk it's right there but I'm not going to walk to New York that's actually relevant when we talk about this technology seven years okay if you that in the lab yet so you've been involved on the theory side on so if you can do any engineering to reduce speed of light quite a bit to that is there anything that you would share with regards to that theoretical work that like you said has not been reduced to practice yet you're my boy blue well what one thing I might say when we say what is the speed of light well to an engineer it's C = 1/ the < TK of mu0 Epsilon 0 the permitivity and permeability of the vacuum so if you can do any engineering to reduce mu0 and epsilon0 then one over the square Ro T of mu epsilon0 gets to be a very high number and so actually aiming in that direction is looking get you beyond the speed of light you're actually not beyond the speed of light it's just you re-engineered the speed of light so I mean those are areas that are worth chasing if you can figure out engineering ways of getting from here to there so those are like ideas on the table but we haven't done any work in the lab on that we haven't done any work on the lab on that how P off I thought he was a good liar I actually thought he he's like if you could just think of some ways to change the permitivity of SpaceTime then you could increase the speed of light and that would change the equation equ and that would change Einstein's equations to a point where we could make a warp driver a wormhole that's the subtext of what how said we've not done any work on that what do you mean Ken shoulders your buddy wait like I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because I feel like your buddy Ken shoulders wrote this paper called permitivity transitions permitivity transitions where the whole point is that you can change the per it of the vacuum with plasma plasma literally does this K shoulders how poff's partner and this wasn't like in 2020 or something this was in 1989 or 1990 Ken shoulders writes this paper permitivity transitions so of course how can Hal PUD off claim he doesn't know how to change the permitivity he's never done any experiments on the permitivity uh changing the permitivity of free space plasma is all about it what caught in a lie right here caught heavily in a lie I actually laughed out loud when I listened to this last night I was laughing out loud when I got to this part and I went holy [ __ ] this is the first time I 100% know how P off is lying he's gatekeeping right here I'm G to play it one more time because it's actually just crazy you re-engineered the speed of life so I'm going those are areas that are worth chasing if you can figure out engineering ways of getting from here to there so those are like ideas on the table but we haven't done any work in the lab on that I might add to this we gave a presentation at the American chemic no the American nuclear society's meeting on basically emerging prospects for space and Technology looking at a very high ISP just doing this quote conventionally but using a tarium lithium fusion reaction you produce two Alphas that are going out at about 6 million electron volts and what you end up with is an ISP which is essentially comparing the efficiency of your thrust going out to the gravity of Earth 9 Cent per second squared and what that turns into is an ISP of 10 million conventional Rockets have an ISP of about 400 and if you got a nuclear rocket it's about 9 00 and if you've got a an ion drive you can get up to about 1,000 to 20,000 so if you can get an ISP of 10 million okay I'm Gonna Save Us some time they're talking about this ISP and you're probably like what is ISP Ashton I actually know all about this I actually don't know how I know so much [ __ ] [ __ ] now from learning and drinking all night and just learning physics but what they're talking about is the efficiency of the energy per thrust so in outer space since we have a tank filled with fuel it's actually all about the efficiency how much thrust can you get out of every little bit of fuel and what he's about to say here is that with stuff like cold fusion and like em Drive even though it's a tiny amount of thrust the efficiency is magnitudes higher than any Elon Musk SpaceX rocket [ __ ] magnitudes higher despite the fact that the total amount of thrust is much magnitudes lower it's basically playing with the math now I hope that you understood what I just said because it's vitally important what I just said totally made SpaceX obsolete Rockets are caveman technology even if you don't believe in wormholes we don't even need wormholes Star Trek impulse Drive the shittiest version of of this technology is better than SpaceX rockets by orders of magnitude you know what I got to go full screen and say it again the shittiest version of Zero Point Energy is em drive that's the shittiest version that's like just for straight up noobs like you got training wheels you got to have all the cheat codes on in Minecraft that's em drive that shittiest version of Zero Point Energy is magnitude is better than SpaceX Elon Musk Rockets magnitudes better when you get into outer space the math changes entirely compared to trying to get from the surface of the Earth to outer space completely different things because the distances in outer space are so much further even a small amount of acceleration goes a super long way in zero gravity there we go and you can do this for a long period of time there are two physicist perhaps I should call them physicist Engineers here we go one Russian one Italian the Russian's name is pnov poov Italian is Giovani modan Giovani mod published a paper in which they and it's a very controversial paper I will preface this with with with that caution they took a a mark generator a cutof mark generator which I think could generate up to a few million volts they discharged it into a cylindrical hockey puck made of a very high quality high temperature superconductor better known as ybco Atrium barium copper oxide and they claimed that produced a gravity pulse so we are not talking about a traditional her Ian transverse electromagnetic wave this they believe is the different type of wave they bought themselves a pair of I believe rubidium qua separated them by a couple of kilometers and did an experiment on a couple of mountaintops separated by a few kilometers the pulse propagated was picked up at the at the receiving end which consisted of a of an ecometer okay a long story short right now he's saying that POF modin they figured out anti-gravity we already knew that ning Lee blah blah blah a lot of these Concepts these things were things that were done in the 90s like 30 years ago to be talking about this stuff like it's revolutionary what they're doing is they're trying to explain to the people listening these are the scientific Concepts that led us to this black project technology that we're at now 30 years later later imagine 30 years of progress After figuring out that we can definitely manipulate gravity with superconductors with superconductors and to Bob greener's point right here what if then people figured that out that that 90s experiment with panov what if people figured that out 40 years ago the public didn't realize it we could have technology that's incredible this is why I say to Bob actually even with Bob's sighting when he was a kid in I think the 70s that could still be human technology easily honestly anything even I'm even thinking the Foo Fighters could be human Technology based on Nazi experiments because this science about plasmas is not dependent upon some hyper Advanced Material Science it's not you need to understand that space is not empty and there's no level of technological requirement to understand that so even in the 1920s I think we could have understood the Foo Fighters by the way Bob greener's dad is an alien just pointing that out there he's getting very defensive about it so obviously it must be true uh put in the chat if you think that Bob greener's dad is a Nordic or a reptilian or a uh eban or I don't know what the last ones are make up your own it for the last one and they calculated their propagation velocity as the 6 4C uh now that is as I say a very highly controversial paper but we are starting to be some things like that appear in the technical referee literature that's really useful to hear l so I guess as part of there's the people in this group and like I said it's a broader group of people and there's been the opportunity to interact with hundreds of leaders across government and Industry in the broader group as well but but it much of that group is kind of of the Mind Full Speed Ahead so whatever is attainable let's go get it let's develop this let's let's use it for for the highest uses possible and for Advantage abundance security Etc so what is missing right so if we were to say so obviously everybody have as individuals we all have bandwidth issues if we were to say the video that people are thinking oh like let's to increase your surface she thinks she's like Joe Rogan but her takes are just like you could have got to the point lady in like 15 seconds somehow it took you like two and a half minut minutes to make your tiny little Point um we're just drinking water over here this area if you want to see things happen quickly so there's a big difference between one really smart person trying something limited resources versus Talking robust Community that's being underutilized at the end of the day it's the amount of time and the amount of that it's not to say that any gun or you can go these percentage of those models because doing Diagnostics speak about these different Innovation models and the resources required okay I'm just going to tell you because I already know what happens I have a whole list of notes over here basically at that whole five minute speech you just did was basically to ask people why is it that people don't believe this is real and what can we do to help promote the science literally that took me 10 seconds to say that not even five seconds that's all she had to say and they all go silent they all go silent none of them have a response it's the weirdest part of this whole podcast and this podcast is about Zero Point Energy and Technology that's basically magical and it goes silent they none of them have any idea of how to like actually reveal this to the public this exact moment is when I realized holy [ __ ] what we're doing right now with the like 600 or 700 people listening to this is more than any of these people have done to try to promote this to the world none of them have ever tried to like you know just go against the grain tell the truth explain to the world happen because it's hard there's a lot of peer pressure and stigma being a social media influencer that brings attention to this technology and this science in some ways you could argue it's more important than figuring it out that's how crazy of a situation we're in right now that's how it's been suppressed and instead pal P off in a second I believe says oh we should go do like speeches at universities that's what Hal POF says and I kind of laugh and I'm like this shows that Hal Poff is like almost 90 years old halut off thinks oh we should just go to the universities and like give speeches at universities that'll wake people up and I just sit here and laugh and I'm like bro Academia is dunzo the only way to wake people up is social media Tik Tock videos memes shout out to zpe disclosure also known as zp jalapeno or whatever your name is great memes memes are more better way of revealing this information than going and speaking at universities Yes you heard me correctly memes are the way of doing this and what I'm doing with you guys right now I'm making it more entertaining for you because otherwise science is boring as [ __ ] it's boring as [ __ ] so does anybody want to speak up and share their thoughts well I'd like to add something to that in support of it because doing Diagnostics falling around uaps fear he had not anything else product at this time to what Larry just said and if we have the ability to build teams could be found me yes I is% of the call is can you build aside from uaps or is this watching the most advanced craft like watching the uaps reverse engineering whatever it is something but the point that you're bringing up chance about Community is so important and I know we're definitely going to want to get to to Richard next but this piece that I think so oh I skipped past a good point as well where I don't know if it was Larry or Lou or whoever said it but somebody said that lasers were thought to be impossible lasers were thought to be impossible uh and it was because of the population inversion they used to say that lasers would defy the laws of thermodynamics until we experimentally saw some proof that they did not guys there's so many things where people would just say like this violates the laws of thermodynamics solar power and wind power people used to say would violate the laws of thermodynamics yeah you can collect the energy but it would always take more energy to turn it into useful energy than you gained and we realize no that's not true it's crazy how how wrong about the laws of thermodynamics people have been so many of us can weigh in on including Richard as well is add in percentage so we're not graze it's well over 50% of people so this Technologies I'm grateful for their physicist stigma there in the corner recently about in the chat group won't for many years here we go well certainly on the internet there are chat groups with people with we're willing to talk about these kinds of ideas with the agreement that whatever is talked about in the chat group won't leave the chat group and so I'm involved in a couple of those and I'm sure other people here are as what what did did how POF just say he's involved in some chat groups where they got to be afraid that nobody's going to release the information let's just rewind 30 seconds conversations in these broad groups and some of youve been doing it recently which is important and some of you have been doing this for many years well certainly on the internet there are chat groups with people with who are willing to talk about these kinds of ideas with the agreement that whatever is talked about in the chat group won't leave the chat group and so I'm involved in a couple of those and I'm sure other people here are as well so that that's something to to encourage it's definit bro that is by far please clip that please somebody clip that part of that interview I'm involved in chat groups Hal P off like 89 years old or something like that just randomly in a podcast says he's in some secret chat groups is it normal to just be in like random secret chat groups groups about Zero Point Energy I don't think that it is that's a pretty bold claim to make there're actually just chat group are these guys just talking on Signal or like telegram guys you know how many chat groups I'm in zero zero chat groups I didn't realize this was a common thing there are there's secret physics chat groups where they just talk about free energy and gravity manipulation and [ __ ] what what do I got to do to sign up for that is there do I have to fill out a form or can I just get an invite on that I just got to say that I won't say anything that's in the chat group okay I won't say anything I I just want to know about the secret physics like what do I got to do to know about the secret physics chat really sounds like something to encourage and then there's there's kind of this so it's a blended environment normal in technology any field of Technology that there are going to be things that you keep to yourself until even outside technology we some would say we still don't know what's in Coca-Cola right how do you make Coca-Cola right okay I can't with this lady some would say we don't even know what's in Coca-Cola well is she arguing like four that we don't there's secret technology we don't know about that's in chat groups how is this a good idea how about we just tell the world that free energy exists and then cold fusion was covered up why don't we just do that let's just do that instead of hiding information in AOL chat groups or whatever this is man honestly no offense to this lady seems like a nice nice woman um this is what we're dealing with chat this she's like high up maybe she's head of the National Science Foundation or whatever the hell it is man no wonder government's so screwed my God just drink Bill wi sponsored by L well I think I pretty much have said my my viewpoints oh this is Lou desario okay so this guy the guy that's kind of like voice thing on this uh one other area that you might be worth pursuing for example would be if there were um a traveling individual or group of individuals who would go from University to University to give talks on thinking out of the box and then giving examples in other words to make it seem safer to people who are just getting started in technical areas that it's it's okay to push toward the edges okay man because I in hey man it's okay to look into gravity it's okay chat it's okay to believe in free energy I'm not sure that Hal POF can build the orbs anymore more chat I got to go full screen for this chat after listening to How PUD off say that we should go university to University to tell people that it's okay I'm not sure he built the orbs anymore now maybe like I don't know Eric Davis made the orbs or like somebody else but definitely not Hal P off honestly definitely shows his age definitely shows his age on that one anybody under the age of like 50 is going to be like hey maybe we should make social media and promote our ideas on social media how like nah let's go let's go to universities and and teach people to like think outside the box and that it's like gonna be okay if you believe in gravity I love you Hal any Universities you you don't get that it's very conservative so I could imagine that that could be a real contribution to kind of moving things along I use a better example because the more whether it's something that you have like in your Advanced Energy or any of these fields that's kind of more head is the reaction of the power structure of the time to jordano Bruno back to some many hundreds of years and he was actually burned at the stake for making proposals that went counter to the uh prevailing logic at the time uh fortunately I think we have improved at least somewhat in in that the burning at the state occurs only verbally in election committees and this sort of thing nevertheless though it remains true that novel ideas often must go through a very Rocky path yeah blah blah blah we already know there's a huge amount of suppression basically these guys are saying look this is why I was too much of a coward to tell the truth about all the stuff that I really know it's that I would get a lot of criticism from the academic Community oh no oh no the academic Community is going to think that I'm crazy oh no how about you be a man and you step up and you go oh yeah warp drive is real uh wormholes are real free energy is real and you know what anyone who says differently [ __ ] you turns out I don't care in a hundred years people are GNA look back at this and they're GNA go that guy was right how do was how was he right oh it was really simple I saw a plane get [ __ ] disappeared out of SpaceTime just like that a plane that's never been found not even 10 years later never found it that was it that was all it took just be bold man I'm so I'm I hate these cowards before they can now you here so for instance I often everybody's they right on a be enormous Technologies of use to the planet so at start National Security be that U it's evolutionary versus we're going to take on things that are several orders of magnitude beyond what has been acknowledged to be achieved and controlled so how do we bridge that Gap but it might be that uh the introduction of UAP is a way to force it because once you acknowledge that UAP exists regardless of whether they're from out of town or not you have at start National Security issues but you then as Lou has been pointing out there's a lot of issues here that if we can resolve these is chance and Hell point to that these are enormous Technologies of use to the planet so if you get someone scared that either a it's a national security issue or B I'm an investor in one area and if this impacts me I ought to be looking at it real closely this may be a way to bridge that gap between what they feel and what they're willing to do lar to that point and and I see both MK and Rema I I want to also make space for them but this point about who yeah when when they're making little jokes about maybe they're from out of town or maybe it's us it's like yeah it's us and you know it's us and you know we have this technology like I hate that they get all cute with the alien stuff if you know the aliens are here just tell me about is it sectoid is it reptilian is it squid jellyfish aliens or whatever the [ __ ] stop play beating around the bush these people are not under ndas because they know about aliens I'm 100% sure none of the people talking right now have any ndas that say you can't talk about the gray aliens you think there you think the government's worried that Hal P gonna start talking about the the Mantis people no the government wants Hal PUD off to start talking about the mantis people I don't know if I can keep going do you guys re not like I the alien people like respect aliens are real they're out there somewhere but you got to understand how crazy you sound when you start talking about the reptilians and the Mantis people like please man 95% of people out there when you start talking about the mantis and The Reptilian people they're going to think that you are just completely off off The Rocker like completely off The Rocker they the government and the defense contractors are not afraid of their Engineers talking about the mantis people not even a little bit they don't need an NDA to cover that if you do that you've discredited yourself entirely and no one's going to believe any of the science and the physics that you say so point being this is all about the technology it's all about the technology who holds it and who's active right so we just see so they're about to talk about special access programs a little bit I think a little bit there's a inter had over 100 showed up on they have different with inside an e up on new technology and federal government that's been the bulk of mix people and then back we had invited kind of right the advanc department OFA we should Al who have able to bring together an ecosystem the benefits that they were looking for but it wasal our way back and other think the UAP principles of the way was need to expand just compulsion techn and one of the things that came out of there some of the NGS that were trying to rever reverse engineer Advanced Technologies that ped us to look at some of the stuff they had that got me really curious because this stuff was definitely way more advanced than we actually have so one of the things that ended up is I ended up getting pulled into classified programs and there one of the things I wanted to look at was to see if the US government actually was using these Technologies and it turned out that my conclusion was the US government was not I don't believe a single damn word this guy is saying I don't believe a single word this guy's saying I looked into it guys us government's not using these Technologies how in the hell could you know that why don't you tell us the specifics of exactly the work that you did that determined that the US government doesn't have these Technologies we're listening to a podcast that has people from the doe and from NASA talking about science that the world does not think exists and these people have patents they've have experiments with proof of cold fusion and this guy's saying we can't have figured this out what are you talking about you have to believe that literally the only science that exists is what's available publicly that would be the only way that that guy's statement could make any sense and it's objectively not true I know for a 100% fact and I think this is just public knowledge that there are networks that have scientific papers that have been classified from the public that can only be read on an air gapped secure network they're not available to the public so from there I ended up working in a number of different companies I had a project with Dara for a while and what we were trying to do is some of the things we observed that you could have longitudinal forces inside of a composite conductors and these composite conductors um weren't actually conductors there were something in between a conductor and an insulator and they were usually a very complex structure and some of the things that we explored was if we had very small particles were very closely spaced and we had a accelerated charge that we go from particle to particle uh we could generate an external force or very large Force bro is he talking about the high energy electromagnetic field generator right now what he's saying right now sounds exactly like what salvator pis has been telling us accelerated vibration accelerated spin let's just listen to that again like if you guys are not familiar with my conversations with salvator pis check it out what this guy's saying right here like I can just tell he knows way more he knows way more than what he's saying did not get if there's some kind of training course you have to pass in order to like lie to the public this guy got like a d and that is some of the things we observed that you could have longitudal forces inside of a composite conductors these composite conductors um weren't actually conductors there were something in between a conductor and an later and they were usually a very complex structure and some of the things that we explored was if we had very small particles that were very closely spaced and we had a accelerated charge that we go from particle to particle uh we could generate an external force or a very large force and that was like real similar to what an car is working on he's seeing the same effect when they accelerate charges a very short distance they can generate an external Force our application that we pres that we p to the NSF that we worked for Anna was that we could probably use these forces for propulsion and where in our case we're not using a say a large capacitor disc we are using very small Nano particles and then we have the the the charges accelerate inside the particles and then tunnel to the next particle and then so Anna we're under a phase two right now now some of these other materials that we' looked at some of the other strange properties that they have is real similar to what how's doing if you could had some of these materials that were built similarly and you had them set up instead of being a long thin antenna you could put them into a cylinder so all of a sudden now inste for the ends of the antenna now you have a significant amount of area and in electromagnetics what they do is they have something called the gauges and electromagnetics what they say is there's no radiation coming out of the ends of an antenna so in our case we're pretty sure because some of the experiments that we had done in some of the places i' been I actually SE what we call electros scalar radiation which is similar to what Pal's working on how is working on a type of radiation that has no Fields but in our case we're pretty sure that what comes out of the ends of an antenna instead of being absolutely nothing or just being potentials if you were to have an antenna of the right length um you could actually see an electric field associated with these potentials so at that point instead of using an electromagnetic squid to detect these potentials now you could probably follow this secret dirt word of the day chat everybody drink squid squid is the word of the day chat just in case you didn't hear what I just said squid is the word of the day there one potential if you were to have an antenna of the right length um you could actually see an electric field associated with these potentials so at that point instead of using an electromagnetic squid to detect these potentials now you could probably follow this one potential using an electric field meter and that came out of work that some of the stuff that we observed when I was working with these ngos so what he just said there is you don't need to use a squid you can actually track these scaler potentials by tracking the electromagnetic wave that comes along with them let me say that one more time this is actually a big Revelation there might be another way to track the scaler po potentials using conventional electromagnetic detectors because he's saying that when you create this antenna you get a scalar a gravity potential and a normal electromagnetic potential so imagine I've got my wave and I've got this thing tracking along with it right he's saying you can track the scaler potential by tracking the electromagnetic potential wow pretty incredible yeah if you're watching on YouTube please hit like thank you very much this is important information I mean I'm literally teaching you guys em drive faster light communication uh gravity wave manipulation and I think we get into some uh Wormhole stuff here is near some of these craft Electronics would always shut down and some of the measurements we had done had indicated there was an electric field associated with these types of radiation and that's where my work has basically gone to today we' talked to the air course and we think we could probably replicate these type of effects and some of the things that comes out of this is that we really do have some kind of radiation coming out of the ends of an antenna which would be a longitudinal radiation and having an electric field and an whenever you hear uh longitudinal they're talking about an electromagnetic wave Through The Ether Through The Ether a sound wave when they say longitudinal wave you need to have a medium they're saying that The Ether exists it's crazy they're just speaking openly like about like this if you were to talk to mainstream physic Neil degrass Tyson would not be able to have any input on this conversation if you had Neil degros Tyson or Bill NY the Science Guy in this podcast they would have no idea what the [ __ ] is being talked about no idea whatsoever please Skiller think we could probably replicate these type of effects and some of the things that comes out of this is that we really do have some kind of radiation coming out out of the ends of an antenna which would be a longitudal radiation and having an electric field and an osly scalar potential also implies there might be another field out there that we can't measure right now and one of the things that the Air Force has wanted us to do was to see if we could try to measure this other field and this other field is kind of similar um to what chance is observing with some of his effects which we're we assume that this field will do things like put a pressure on something or like take something other device that's measuring say a defraction pattern and be able to move it a little bit okay this guy is the worst liar absolute worst liar he's like this uh this other field he's talking about The Ether this other field might be able to exert a pressure he's talking about gravity he knows all of this 100% he knows I can tell just from the inflection in his voice that he knows all of this this other field some people might call it the ether can cause a pressure guys pressure Oh you mean like how zero point fluctuations are the explanation for Gravity the pressure he's talking about is gravity yeah so a lot of our research is really confirming what everybody else seems to be working on here and for the NSF our real objective is to be able to take these new meta materials and try to generate an external force and internally right now when we are able to apply a DC current to these materials and we're observing these accelerated charges in these Nano components we can see pretty large forces inside these materials we're using relatively low currents and a lot of these materials have somewhat of a high impedance so they do take high voltages so this is really where a lot of our work's been going on oh and then some of the things with Larry some of the places I've been there are organizations these NGS did get a lot of that data that you were looking for when I looked at the data I didn't see anything like a nitrogen so they the ones I worked with were trying to figure out how these rather large craft which people call triangles who is this chat who knows who's speaking right now is this Lou Daario if this is lario or however you say his last name no no disrespect sir I just don't know how to say your name I'm terrible at it I need to talk to this guy I'm sending him an email tonight after this I think that's Lou Diario it's Lou right yeah no this guy 100% knows I can just tell from the lies of this guy and the obis this guy's pushing that he knows I get I'm getting the same feeling right now that I was getting when I saw Dave Rossi I could just tell the guy knew right away would be able to disappear on a DME so when we were set up looking at these triangles when they Deo and they reclo we didn't see anything like that what we really saw was it appeared to be that these triangles were taking whatever was an example would be whatever was behind them and actually Pro projecting it in front of them which might be equivalent to taking the light rays and bending it around the actual triangle um and so our conclusion they were doing something along those lines they were probably doing it with a lot less energy but some of the conditions we observed them on was a lot of times where they were be observing behind them would be a little different than what we would be observing so what they would do is we would assume be projecting what's behind them in front of them but it really wouldn't be quite what we would be seeing and then we had an idea that we could probably track these triangles because their cloak or whatever they're using to bend the light around them was never going to be exactly the same wow so some of that work I was doing with ngos bro who is bro who is this who is this talking right now how is he just saying this right now guys am I am I tripping right now I'm pretty sure I just heard this guy say that he's been tracking UFOs with either some NOS or the military and the UFOs have cloaking capabilities but their cloaking capabilities aren't perfect and they can track the errors and the cloaking capabilities that's what he just said and he said they were triangles so they got some triangles coming down they're able to go invisible and we can actually track the visual Optical there's like something isn't quite right like they don't quite bend the light around them perfectly and he's saying that we have we were like hey we can figure out how to to detect that I was really exciting but one of the other things that comes out of this is these individuals or whoever this group is that has this advanced technology rad probably does not want us reers than she they working out so they're probably making using their methods or their Tech but one of the other things that comes out of this is these individuals or whoever this group is that has this advanced technology probably does not want us 3% sure what they're working on what I'm actually scared when I heard that for the first time he says Whoever has this technology whatever group has this technology they probably don't want us reverse engineering it bro did does that Not freak you guys out that freaks me out because I think locked Martin has this technology that is the weirdest statement to make if he thought it was aliens he wouldn't say something like that why would aliens even know what reverse engineering is that seems like a situation where it's like you know somebody has advanced techn technology on this Earth and you're going I don't want to mess with the mob the technology mob I don't want to mess with this technology mob because they'll have me killed that's what that sounds like to me wow so they're probably making using their methods or their Technologies to try to keep us doing things like reverse engineering or exploring how they work just because of the fact that gives them an advantage over us so a lot of my work U really comes out of the work I do with and I think we are on the cusp of actually developing new technologies because I think we're all here on this group we're all working all on kind of in the same direction where I think within five briain years couple of us or hopefully us will have new technologies out here that'll change the world I think propulsion is one of them I agree 100% these guys aren't speaking from a position of speculation these guys know that was an oddly specific comment to make when I say somebody on this Earth has technology a thousand years more advanced than we're at that was the exact what I was that was what I was thinking of because I listened to this yesterday God that was scary because he's right he's right if somebody has this technology they don't want anybody else to catch up you guys ask me people ask me all the time why did they teleport MH370 because they don't want anybody else to have this technology why do you guys think that I'm so on point about it being the United States government or connected to the United States government well US military spy satellite assets are filming the plane and we're watching it disappear so we're either affiliated with the people that are doing that or it's us doing it directly there's really no in between and I don't think we're in the Cahoots with the aliens although it could be I just don't think that I think it's locked Martin is [ __ ] doing this because locked Martin doesn't want China to figure it out who knows or maybe it's free scale semiconductors maybe somebody else owns freescale semiconductors and they're like teleport my plane away these guys are defecting from my company we're not going to allow that to happen I don't know I think we're really have the cust actually be able to develop this propulsion Richard so many exciting things that you bring up and and now just it's different from out like as an individual as those can discuss people is there anything looking at some of these materials is they were smart materials like one of the things is when they these these materials you be looking at them when you trying to reverse engineer them that they would turn to dust and then so and they would do it within a minute or two and then so you could take the dust and then send it off and get the isotropic analysis done on them and they did they were extraterrestrial but these materials I mean we're looking at something did he just randomly drop they were extraterrestrial like who is this guy this guy's going full Bob Lazar in the middle of this podcast right now he's like oh we did some tests on these materials and by the way they were extraterrestrial and they just turned to dust I'm like bro what what does that mean how is that happening I just let's go back 15 seconds turned to dust and then so and they would do it within a minute or two and then so you could take the dust and then send it off and get the isotropic analysis done on them and they did they were extraterrestrial but these materials I mean we're looking at something that's hundreds of years ahead of us when you look under a microscope or electron microscope you're looking at something that's composed of very small particles that seem to be communicating with one another so those are the things that that I've been involved in that I'm not that we can talk about but you know I think that's one of the reasons why we can talk about that so the people that think that aliens are being covered up and that aliens are national security issue that guy right there just told us that we got some alien meta materials just literally was like yeah by the way some meta materials will tur into dust and by the way it's extraterrestrial blah blah blah obviously extraterrestrials are not a national security issue because this dude is just speaking about them openly and in the same sentence he said that he can't talk about certain stuff which means he can talk about aliens once again there is no ndas that prevents you from talking about aliens sorry to break it to you there's no ndas are like bro can't talk about the the Draco they don't give a [ __ ] extraterrestrial materials are not really available to most people is because most of them um guys extraterrestrial materials are not really available to most people you don't say bro you don't say I gotta listen to that again our set to um that I've been involved in that I'm not that we can talk about but you know I think that's one of the reasons why extraterrestrial materials are not really available to most people is because most of them um are set to um disintegrate if they get in the wrong hand that's really interesting what you shared so the smart materials that then turned to us within a minute or two I've heard from a number of people who have spoken to how material is terrestrial versus extraterrestrial I've heard people share a variety of ways that you can tell that but Richard are you able to speak to how it was extraterrestrial versus terrestrial origin please please no well the isotropic analysis of the dust that's left behind tells you it's extraterrestrial at least um where it was manufactured but so we're looking at U materials that can reconfigure themselves they are small subunits so the typ of things I looked at were the something as small as a sliver of metal that had would reconfigure itself depending on where it was would cloak itself and it would try to blend into the envirment so the ones that this one NGO used to get hold of were the ones that were technically broken I guess the ones that didn't really function very well so then you could collect them every once in a while and then try to analyze them you could do things like split them apart but they would attempt to uh find each other or reconfigure some of the experiments they did was we took one of those and we put it on a very hot surface of about 3,000 degrees and what it would do is it cool the surface around itself and then when we took the device off and then waited again we find that the mass would be reduced by a certain amount okay okay okay right there I'm calling [ __ ] and if he's not [ __ ] then what that guy just said right there he's like there's a meta material and you put it somewhere and it gets colder there it gets colder and that would happen because it's pulling energy out of the vacuum just all the time that's a pretty bold claim that's like saying we've got a permanent Casmir effect happening on this meta material he's just casually dropping this if this is true this is like Beyond incredible because we took one of those and we put it on a very hot surface of about 3,000 degrees and what it would do is it cool the surface around itself and then when we took the device off and then waited again we would find that the mass would be reduced by a certain amount so it's pulling energy from the environment and its mass is reduced to be honest with you it doesn't seem that far off from free energy device the chemistry of that of that chemical composition definitely would be Beyond us though that's a pretty incredible claim I would say okay what is the chemical uh chemical composition of that metam material because we should be able to reproduce that right like that is a magical property I'm not ruling it out what I'm basically saying is is like that's an incredible claim to make if that's true that's like a free energy device in a meta material so these are really curious types of materials so that's how we could kind of tell they were extraterrestrial because it's curious um it's a little more than curious bro you're telling me you put a metal into a hot cauldron and it cooled it down that's what you just told me it's a little more than incredible it's kind of like revolutionary like change all of civilization if we have something like that you can film it just release the video I have got a video of a free energy device cooling down it's one of the most incredible videos ever just show us that video record it in thermal well we don't get access to not everybody has access to alien meta materials these things weren't like decades ahead of us they were probably hundreds of years ahead of us yeah we found that they were layered Alloys at the Micron levels and none of our technologists even in the big Aerospace corporations could make these layers bond together so just by their physical construction uh we we could tell it was way beyond anything that could been had been manufactured Ed in our ordinary technology here on Earth yeah that's what I saw too you were looking at the outside of a craft or materials that came from a crash spacecraft or something yes yeah so we were looking at very little things they seem to deposit all over the world we were investigating there's probably trillions of these things that are deposited and they have all sorts of functions which really kind of implies that maybe this group is actually manipulating our species but they you can still acquire those you know where to look look for him you can find we know how to find him right if this guy's not bullshitting then well I guess we're slaves I guess we're in a prison planet the only way this would make sense and it kind of in a scary way it kind of does make sense is there's a breakaway civilization of human beings that we do not we would not recognize as being aliens that are basically manipulating our Evolution and have framed Society in a very specific way in which they can control from the shadows and whenever they want they can break out their extremely advanced technology hundreds or thousands of years more advanced than we are publicly currently at and that our government and our private military contractors are occasionally detecting them and have been trying to reverse engineering their technology for our own gain I would call it the ultraterrestrial hypothesis oh turns out Hal P off has a paper literally called exactly that well if you find a a hatful why why don't you send them our way and we'll take a look at them yeah that's it so the group I used to work I don't talk with anymore because they got upseted me for talking so but I have an idea where someone could get them guys which which guy I need to know for sure is that LW is is that Lou which guy is this chat please we need to know for sure right now is that chance or Lou it's got to be Lou right talking right there I think it's Lou it's not Larry I don't think right that doesn't sound like Larry who is that gold star for whoever in the chat figures out what that voice is I'm pretty sure it's Lou desario is it Richard oh that one's Richard that one's Richard okay got it from field propulsion thank you I can't tell the difference between all these people's voices I've never heard them before sounds like we've got H it sounds like we' got some sources in the chat so I think we got a number I don't want to call out the person okay okay that's not Lou that was Richard okay we've got to figure it out chat that was Richard Richard sourcing but I think we do have I guess what you're saying Richard is they are okay okay there we go they're ubiquitous right and so okay this guy might be full of [ __ ] I don't know but if those if those claims are real that's pretty incredible claims to be making on a stream on a podcast sponsored by NASA variety of sources in terms of where to get these yeah yeah yeah everywhere right even the ones that would work we would never be able to find because they would cloak themselves or reconfigure themselves to be something but not all of them are functional right oh as Diane is saying in the chat there's a nice list of experiments and potential collaboration so I think one of one of the things that so for the listeners we appreciate your participation with us and your patience as we bring together all these of years Beyond a lot of things have hopefully pull people together on a zoom that's not something and RSE engineering got see they more tells you materials like these subunits probably were pretty had computational functionality right because they knew what their neighbors were all about and they knew they could reprogram themselves to be something different right if they needed to change themselves thank you and then the other question MK had so it's like MK you have us asking all your tough questions for you you're saying have we created a de Clos game device which is coming out soon and I I know I know we've had others speak to the research and cloaking but does anybody know the sharable state the art with cloaking I know that's an active area yeah the keyword is cloaking at what frequency in other words there is one set of technologies that will cloak a vessel at radar frequencies there is a whole different set of Technologies required to cloak something at Optical frequencies okay I'm going to skip ahead past this basically what he's saying here is you can either cloak something for radar or you cloak it for optical we were just talking about this a few seconds ago that maybe we found a way where we can detect something that cloaks itself optically invisibility but that does not cloak it from radar capabilities there you go I just saved you guys like 10 minutes we're to beun the ultra whether it's efficient different forces that maybe in you can feel the water okay here we go it's okay if you don't have get ready did you want me to address it Z Energy time oh yeah okay the way I begin this is by essentially thinking you're sitting next to a a fast flowing stream you can dip your fingers in you can feel the water moving but there's clearly energy of assciated with it you can't harness it until you invent a Paddle Wheel and so there's what's called Zero Point Energy which gets a lot of pooa except that the lamb shift which describes energy in electron shells of hydrogen is in fact attributed to Z Point Energy another one is known as the Casmir Force which is if you take two metal plates and put them very close together the closer they are the energy pushing them towards each other goes up by the distance to the fourth power now this is kind of self-limiting because at some point the radiation around them and in them can just go right through the plates but what's important is these are two sources of energy that various people including sunny white on Casmir and Charles Chase over at unab are trying to tap into and build devices that can do it sunny is looking at generating electrical power from this that would just run forever it's a forever battery tapping into the Zero Point Energy of wherever the device happens to sit Charles on the other hand is looking at this as a means to provide propellantless propulsion and it may even be that some of these apply to some of the other devices that Richard and Chase have talked about but the real point is there is now effects that we recognize is real that we are now getting to the point of moving from science to technology now whether we can scale it that's always the question both just to add so I mean if you needed to hear more there was Larry forsley just saying all the same things that I been screaming for a year and I'm not saying I invented this or discovered in fact I learned it from these guys before I even knew they were simple as that uh Charles media some sources say Chinese scientists are going to announce something on Friday for all of humanity I have not come across anything around it and if it's Rel if it's related to this kind of Technology the Western media and the United States government will censor it they will debunk it as fake I actually am excited I'm excited for the next time where an lk99 or something like that pops up and the dumb academic Western media tries to debunk it I'm going to get millions of views off of that I'm going to go wild with that and attack anybody that tries to claim that the EM Drive doesn't really work because that will probably be the first thing that happens there will be an announcement of one of these em drives that actually works and was tested in outer space and they're going to start to attack it it's pseudo science that's not possible it must be a weather balloons from Venus or uh jet Packers or uh yeah people on jetpacks or whatever other [ __ ] okay here we go let's keep going to what you're saying you've gone into the some of the technical specifics quite well so Sunny White also previously funded by DARPA really some very interesting work on the warp ble bubble so that's kind of more on the fundamental research side of the house and then we funded both sunny and Charles over at the NSF wow she the host just says that they funded Harold Sunny White who did his research on warp drives we watched the interview with Harold Sunny White 10 years ago from 10 years ago 2014 his results show the same thing was talked about earlier on the interferometer you can actually see I guess a phase shift is what it would be called where you're seeing a gravitational Ripple impacting the inner therometer that's what Sunny White showed so and sunny I know won a number of awards while he was over at Nasa the the Snoopy award that's a really big deal and others so so he so that's Sunny White who's very active in the group and and Charles Chase has really had such an extraordinary career and he's also been been they've both been very active in supporting disruptive innovation and bringing and supporting larger group of innovators and entrepreneurs and Charles did some of that with a I think it was an advanced propulsion course or seminar over at MIT he was not affording all this and was with a contract with Skunk Works that Charles oversaw as part of his moonshot program and I know what sorry what Hal knows him from some of those days than so early funding for my Vector scaler potential stuff was with a contract with Skunk Works how poff's early contract work for his communication patent his gravity communication patent was with locked Martin Skunk Works wow okay lockie Martin literally is just in charge of all this [ __ ] I mean it's locked Martin everything goes back to locked if I I would honestly I would wager every single penny I have on the face of the face of this Earth and all future dollars that I'll ever make that locked Martin has a flying saucer in one of their basements somewhere they 100% have a flying something that we would recognize as a Flying Saucer and I'm not saying that it's necessarily aliens but they have a flying saucer that could defy gravity no question no doubt locked Martin That's you don't need like the other people might have one too but locked Martin 1,000% has one that Charles oversaw as part of his moonshot program which is great so so very so just some additional context on these on these other leaders in the group who are also foring all this and how what better person to have on a Zero Point Energy call than dear Dr Hal POF who you're really you kind of wrote a number of the a number of the seminal areas of that so yeah I I investigated it from the standpoint of is there a way for us to get some technology out of it that actually run something so we published a number of papers looking at it from different standpoints and one of my colleagues Bernie H took over the ideas and even patented it but he's having trouble getting funding to actually do the work so he's one of the people who at least has an approach that we recommended that might actually lead to tapping the Zero Point Energy but he's stuck at this point not having the funding okay whoa he's talking about the Casmir cavity patent guys he's talking about the Casmir cavity patent that Bernard H and Garrett modal have the one that I've been joking about stealing for the last six months straight on every single live stream that's what Hal P's talking about right now he's saying that they have a patent and they're stuck getting funding when I tell you guys how easy it is to suppress these Technologies these guys are literally doing what I'm going to do in the future and they can't get the funding to do it they're trying to make a little microchip or something like that with uh that can produce energy just with the solid state it doesn't have no moving Parts at this tiniest level that's what the Casmir cavity idea is like you are on a trampoline and you jump on the trampoline and you get a little bit of energy and you go flying in the air and then the trampoline resets itself and then youum jump on the trampoline again and you do it again and you just repeat that process and you extract that little bit of energy that bounces you back up again that's the conceptual idea of the Casmir cavity and I love it I love it so much I'm gonna steal the [ __ ] out of it and I'm gonna make a billion dollars off of it that's the plan I mean I feel like I should email Garrett modal and Bernard ha and let them know but I've got a lot of live streams they can watch so they got fair warning 2026 I'm stealing that patent so when did you I mean because you've been I mean I know I I I started reading some of your work in this area more recently but I mean I know people that I'm close with who were following your work in Zer Point Energy probably these are people that were very young in the 90s right so they were to say that they were following it probably your work broadly and I think the Zero Point Energy work in the 90s I suspect you were active well earlier than that when when did you first get active in the Zero Point Energy field in the 80s ready so what would you share I mean and obviously these Publications came out points they edited his response out right there holy [ __ ] did you guys just notice that she asked him a question about when he got involved with Zero Point Energy and you could hear him start to response respond and they edited it out all of a sudden goes to the next question listen to this I'm going to replay this we caught them editing out the answer I know the answer is 19 it might be before 1987 is what I'm thinking maybe he wanted it to be 1987 and he said something earlier on that call listen to this guys I suspect you were active well earlier than that when when did you first get active in the Zero Point Energy field in the 80s so what would you share I mean and obviously these they hard edited it out and they messed up the edit they didn't edit out the question holy [ __ ] what did he say what's his response why did he make them edit that out holy [ __ ] they messed up holy [ __ ] when did halol know that Zero Point Energy was real oh my God oh my God he knew way before 1987 okay full screen okay guys if you are not up to speed right now here let me help you out the first paper Hal pudol wrote on Zero Point Energy was 1987 hydrogen ground state of the hydrogen atom he assumed the hydrogen atom must be extracting energy from the zero point source that's how it stays stable at rest so that would be the first publicly available scientific paper where someone could tie him back to that idea but Ken shoulders said that he discovered that ether was real in 1980 1980 seven years before that and he was partners with halap off so what if halol knew before 1987 how far before 1987 did how P off know Zero Point Energy was real and what was the event that led him to realize that Zero Point Energy was real that's what they edited out whatever his answer was there there's something tied to that maybe he saw a flying saucer or whatever UFO whatever date he gave that they just edited it out was probably the answer in terms of when he was first brought in on the UFO thing wow that's wild I can't believe we just caught that in a podcast holy [ __ ] wow baby investigative journalism baby the only way you would catch that is if you knew the history of halud off which I know because I've looked into everything about him now wow that is crazy why edit the date exactly why edit the date why edit out the date and he would have had to resp respond and been like yo I need you to edit that out I forgot I shouldn't have said that date that is just so crazy I hope we're not reading too much into this but wow tag me in that on Twitter guys I need that clip Publications came out at different points in time so if you were to kind of walk us through Zero Point Energy then versus now what would you share well where I started was was I started with a very simple case and that is the hydrogen atom you've got the electron zipping around the proton and so any undergraduate kid in a science class would say well it's accelerating why doesn't it radiate its energy away and the usual answer is well it's quantum mechanics don't worry about it but I since I was interested in the Zero Point Energy idea I thought okay maybe in fact it does radiate its energy away but it also has the opportunity to absorb energy from the vacuum fluctuations from the Zero Point Energy so I just worked out the mathematics of it and lo and behold it turned out that there was a balance for one orbit and that is the known ground state orbit in the hydrogen atom So eventually I wrote another paper do people have no idea how important what Hal POF just said right there Hal POF just said that as far as I can tell he wrote the first major scientific paper that took quantum mechanics and said I can explain it it's Zero Point Energy that's what's going on at this sea level that like other people theorized it but how Poff put pen to paper so he deserves probably the most Credit in 1987 and what was just edited out was presumably the year that he first realized that concept my guess is that he was brought in on some black projects before that he saw something you don't come up with that idea all on your own you see like a you know just hypothetically a flying saucer levitating and you look at it and you go holy [ __ ] okay this means like this is what this is how quantum mechanics connects to general relativity pretty wild where I showed that basically all Quantum ground states are sustained by radiating energy away but absorbing at a compensating amount from the underlying 0 point energy fluctuations so it's really a fundamental kind of thing I mean somebody pulled the vacuum fluctuation. energy away the whole universe just claps down to nothing so I mean this is really a very fundamental thing if you pulled all the Zero Point Energy away the universe would collapse onto nothing are that does that sound like a black hole to you chat because it sounds like a black hole to me that is alarming do you guys just hear that basically how put off saying I'm gonna put it to you in an analogy that makes sense how's your magnet sticking to the fridge have you ever think about that stick the magnet to the fridge where's the energy coming from that's allowing the magnet to be stuck to the fridge the answer is it's radiating out the energy that it requires to stick to the refrigerator and it's also absorbing the same amount of energy from The Ether at the same time all the time 247 what I just said is probably so controversial that I'm going to say it again how is the magnet sticking to the fridge why is it not falling to the floor how come it doesn't fall to the floor after like five years all the time the amount of energy required to keep the magnets stuck to the walls radiating off the magnet at the same time the magnet absorbing an equal amount of energy from The Ether from the zero point fluctuations wow right that's a pretty controversial opinion yeah you could say a very small black hole as well that would be another way to put it you're creating a void that's causing a suction that's keeping that thing stuck there permanently the fact that magnets last as long as they do probably should be thought about a little bit more so then secondly okay well what other effects it caused by it well of course the Casmir effect is a major one and I've developed work showing that you could come up with the model for the electron based on its interaction with the Zero Point Energy and so I mean one of the things that has been a puzzle is well the electron is said to be a point particle but why doesn't its kolum field then cause it to have an enormous Mass associated with that energy well it turns out if you take into account the vacuum fluctuation energy which is a negative potential in that situation they balance out so just solving little pieces as I went along but the main thing of course and so I mean one of the things that has been a puzzle is well the electron is said to be a point particle but why doesn't its kolum field then cause it to have an enormous Mass associated with that energy well it turns out if you take into account the vacuum fluctuation energy which is a negative potential in that situation they balance out so just solving little pieces as I went along howas randomly like hey okay you need more proof he's like why is the electron not much much heavier why is its mass not much much Huger he's saying because it's interacting with a zero point field all the time that's the reason he's like we're just solving basically everything that people don't understand from the quantum mechanical perspective this is why I love how P off is that he took his Quantum mechanic quantum mechanics understanding of physics and he was like how can we solve all of these experimental things that we're seeing and can we solve it under one unifying umbrella and he said yes the answer is z Point Energy Zero Point Energy anybody that's referencing Zero Point Energy should probably be referencing how off howp off I I can't think of anybody else that is more the a bigger Authority on 0 energy K POF is the number one expert in the world on Zero Point Energy as far as I can tell nobody else is even close Eric Davis is probably number two but the main thing of course was to try to figure out something to get the energy out and of course the Casmir effect shows that energy can be extracted from the Z Point Energy Fields okay I've gone on a 100 podcasts and I want to say on at least half of them I've just said the same thing that halut said energy can be extracted from the 0 point energy field clip that 3 three hours 31 minutes in chat you know how many PhD physicists have tried to adamantly argue with me that you can't extract energy from the zero point fluctuation field and I say why you just can't you just can't do it there's literally no argument for why it can't be done none yes it can be done Robert forward in 1984 showed that you can extract energy from the zero point fluctuation field and then it becomes an engineering problem on how to do it perpetually ashon is the goat how's the g thank you guys very much thank you for all the donations in the chat I'll run through them before we uh close out tonight it's only that in the case of the plates and the Casmir effect that's great you get you little puff of energy but if you're pulling a part to do it again you got to put in as much energy as you got out so you got to find some other way so we looked at some plasma potential aspects those are not YSI yes yes is he watching my live streams chat is he watching my live streams everybody finish your drink oh my God is he watching my live streams how many times have I said yes you can extract energy from the Casmir effect but if you want to reset it you do have to use energy okay that's an engineering problem what's an engineering solution to the plates no plates at all plasma plasma is the solution pal P off just said what about plasma he knows he knows 1,00% I'm so sure that he knows that I'm actually wondering if when he said that response he was thinking about me I wonder if he was thinking about me guys Al I was thinking about you too bro I was thinking about you too wow I gotta listen to it again cuz holy [ __ ] that's great you get you a puff of energy but if you're pulling apart to do it again You' got to put in as much energy as you got out so you got to find some other way so we looked at some plasma potential aspects those are now being pursued in a number of labs uh around that are you know taking that to be their critical thing so we talk about the UAP what what are you [ __ ] kidding me there are people pursuing this in a labs and they're taking that to be the critical thing this the host has no [ __ ] clue what how POF just said the host has no [ __ ] clue what how POF just said in this podcast you guys understand why I say this is the most important podcast of the entire year even more important than Cat Williams Hal PUD off is going full Cat Williams here on the physics community he literally just said that plasma is the secret and that major labs are looking into it as a critical Avenue let's listen to it again looked at something that in the case of the plates and the Casmir effect that's great you got you little puff of energy but if you're pulling apart to do it again youve got to put in as much energy as you got out so you got to find some other way so we looked at some plasma potential aspects the those are now being pursued in a number of labs uh around that are you know taking that to be their critical thing so we talk about the UAP having all this energy seemingly not running out and running all day well that's one potential source of energy is it's could well be likely uh the source so it's a case of trying to figure out what exactly are the mechanics and uh the structures bro what that's likely the energy source for uaps oh youve it's such a happy day chat it is such a happy happy day oh my [ __ ] God how Poff just said that the plasma manipul ating the Casmir force is the source of energy for uaps chat chat how can this be fake how can this be fake we're looking at it right there Bob Greener who's in the chat right now first looked at this and he could tell right away just from his research into cold fusion that these orbs Were Somehow cold fusion I had no clue I had no I didn't know what the [ __ ] he was talking about a year ago and now I'm looking at I'm going holy [ __ ] how Poff just explained that the reason why these orbs are free energy is they're basically manipulating a permanent Kazmir effect where you can pull energy out of it and the Air Force and the military this is a critical Avenue of research for them critical are the words exact word he said critical I'm laughing because we're literally just basically exposing the equivalent of like nuclear weapons times a million to the world the intelligence community and Military must be having a [ __ ] stroke watching this live stream just explaining to people here's the secret sauce for your Ultimate Weapon here it is right here we're listening to this podcast of these people literally just admitting it and half the people listening to this have no [ __ ] clue what they're talking about unless you've been following all of the research we've been digging into related to evos and plasmas Etc actually just wild man I love this by the way thank you for that donation I love this I love science and I love [ __ ] physics and I love I love that we were hiding some major branch of physics that just explains everything it's just I love it I love it chat it would let us pull out that energy so that's an ongoing area that a number of different Labs Modell at University of Colorado is person what exactly are the mechanics and uh the structures that was would let us pull out that energy so that's an ongoing area that a number of different Labs Modell at University Colorado is pursuing something he thinks he's made a little bit of progress and showing little amounts of energy that seems to come out at wow chat Garrett Modell dude he just Nam dropped him professor amerus at University of Colorado you guys are going to love redacted podcast when it drops FYI guys I recorded the redacted podcast before I listen to this podcast before I listen to this spoiler alert Clayton Morris asks me what are the mechanisms that we can produce free energy and one of the ones I give Casmir cavities Garrett modal that's one of the examples I give literally right there he said that we that Garrett modal is showing we can we're pulling small amounts of energy Straight Out of The Ether at very very tiny scales I'm literally going to build a microchip that is a free energy microchip and make a trillion dollars or probably more likely just get killed but you know whatever [ __ ] it we're going to do it I I'm tired of plugging my phone in I just want to microchip it's just going to make this thing last forever and Garrett modal's patent's going to do that and I'm going to steal it I'm going to steal that [ __ ] and I'm gonna turn it into a microchip and make a billion trillion dollars or some [ __ ] like that at a useful rate very minuscule so anyways that art of the fourth power chat we even did a model for well chat R to the fourth power just think about that something to the fourth power is a very very big number you're dividing by R to the fourth power R is distance that means as the things get closer and closer and closer together the force increases exponentially not exponentially but to the fourth power exponentially exponentially it increases like boom so all we need to do is build it smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller so why do you guys think that Ashton is all into microchips because I've already realized the secret to free energy and all this stuff is smallest possible scales at the simplest possible understanding like super semiconductor insulator semiconductor and then scaling it up that's it there you go China free energy for you China [ __ ] it we'll do it live chat I'm just giving away the secrets to free energy and cold fusion and warp drives and wormholes because I don't give a [ __ ] I don't give a [ __ ] we shouldn't have teleported those 239 people chat you know what I'm a little buzzed we teleported 239 people teleported them against their will probably killed them with a fire before that and we did it just to send a message to China China you're getting a little too close to technology China and so we were like okay we're going to go ahead and teleport your [ __ ] airplane full of your Chinese people that were working for our American company they got a little too close to free energy they got a little too close to gravity manipulation and we had to send a message to China so we started a fire on the Plane full lithium batteries killed a bunch of people and then we teleported the plane away the problem was some dude freaked the [ __ ] out some guy was watching it from his spy plane and went what the [ __ ] is going on on my computer screen right now what the [ __ ] is happening and the dude next to him was like bro I have no idea what's going on right now what the hell and my man had like a full-on panic attack he was like okay it looks like the aliens just Za that plane away and he went nobody's going to ever under nobody's going to ever believe this never in the history of the world is anyone going to believe this oh and he thought huh Edward C Lyn thought oh [ __ ] I have access to that recording I can access that recording and I'm in a high enough rank that I have access to it and he took that and he showed somebody he showed them and they went bro nobody's G to believe you no one's going to believe you and they leaked it on the internet they thought just put it on the internet that's the only way people will connect the plane to the teleportation because they're going to see coordinates in the video and we didn't believe it we didn't believe it at all that's what happened to MH370 chat and there are some sick people out there that are hiding this technology and keeping it hidden because they're thinking that oh this protects America this protects us and then I'm like we could have free energy for our whole world but you're gatekeeping it from us gatekeeping it up from us because we're either prisoners or we're cattle or some super dark [ __ ] that I don't really want to think about right now that's what I think about guys like every day where do they get teleported to everybody asked me that probably the Maldives probably got teleported the Mal Dives to the West and then it flew South to Diego Garcia they landed at Diego Garcia offloaded whatever people were still alive and whatever bodies that were left and then they disassembled the plane and either some parts of the plane fell off the plane when they were trying to land it at Diego Garcia or they threw a few parts of the plane in the water or they just got into the water somehow and then they floated to Africa from Diego Garcia which is basically a perfect match for the drift in analysis there you go whoever was left whoever was left on that airplane they either are living their lives out in Diego Garcia or they are dead they were killed one way I I I'm not going to sugar coat it for you guys and it's also very very likely that like 75% or more of the people were already dead before we got to the teleportation event 75% or more just from the smoke inhalation people do not understand how dangerous lithium ion battery smoke is they do not understand it okay I don't want to it's not an MH370 stream but there you go maybe that's where gravity and inertia comes from so the experience that that was brought up earlier about well you're in your car and it suddenly takes off and you push back in your seat what's pushing you back well it turns out that we figured out that okay you're accelerating through the vacuum fluctuations and they're putting a force on you so there's a relationship between inertia and vacuum fluctuations so it's we tried to work out a model to have gravity and inertia 100% coming out of vacuum fluctuations we got some good Publications out of it but there are some sticking points that that that we didn't resolve so it's not a completed piece of work Alp off just told you guys that inertia is because of the Zero Point Energy that's what he just told you right there that gravity mass and inertia all come from the Zero Point Energy and he said oh well we didn't have it perfect there were some problems with it so therefore it didn't get widely mainstream okay that's fine there're allowed to be problems with theories we have dark matter and dark energy which are like major gaps in general relativity those aren't small gaps those are major gaps so maybe we should be considering this 0 point energy thing but anyway that's the kind of thing that once you get onto an idea like that and you start looking at all the potential places that could be applied every a lot of things pop up and come to mind so that that's the kind of experience I had pursuing the backing fluctuations we gave up in our lab trying to come up with ways of we just we couldn't think of a good system for doing that but other people are caring that work on so how God I love how but I think I heard him lie like three times tonight on this podcast we just gave up on that Eric Davis has like a whole paper where he talks about squeeze light lasers being used to push out the Zero Point Energy do I think that Eric that Hal POF gave up on Zero Point Energy no I don't think that no I don't think that at all maybe he G maybe he's like he's lying what the way he's getting around is I think he's like oh we gave up on trying to prove that Zero Point Energy explains inertia because we had a lot of people disagreeing that's what I think he's saying in his mind the way it's coming off in the podcast is coming off much more uh vague we may get there it's really exciting to hear about and it's obviously you've worked with people throughout the years and currently and then one of one of the things that really made us want to bring together this group of people which is a broader group of people than those assembled on a call in the Eed group and certainly in other groups that people are active in was just kind of this experience that there were these amazing people that were trying these really Divergent approaches and there's kind of there's information sharing there's things that come on a peer review or non-reviewed type publication but just really the value of bringing a mix of really extraordinary people with exceptional expertise who are trying different things in a different way and so so one of the reasons that we kind of kept trying to build bringing new people new expertise into this group was I was kind of thinking I always just viewed it as wow it's like being an amazing artist somewhere versus you're part of the impressionist movement or like I said digital assets there was like the Satoshi Nakamoto the 50 people that initially the work ordinary convers is there anything that anybody wants to I mean so first of all just want to take time Bas for that certain dyamics is that I did a lot of work missing want offer anybody the opportunity to close out and then we'll have Diane fully close us out one thing I might offer is it's a little weird I mean the two major areas that I did a lot of work in one being the remote viewing that we did for CIA and Dia and one being the UAP these are both areas that had lots of stigma and your ordinary scientist would turn up his nose if you brought up ESP or UFOs but as it turns out in the secure community where they recognize that these are areas of major potential concern from a security standpoint as it turns out it's the Deep black programs that actually drove the initial research in both of these areas so that's something to think about so so you want to read if find an area that has stigma you'll probably find an area that behind it there's a black program reason for it to be thought of more seriously wow thank you for this donation first of all Claire this is very generous of you I appreciate it and also holy crap how put us like yeah like it's all he literally just admits right there that it's Black Project programs that are doing this research locked Martin oh wow I missed a big donation locked Martin doesn't care about what people think about the research lockie Martin's like oh you figured out how to teleport something sweet they're like well sorry guys like hey boss uh my bad like we we figured out teleportation but the academic Community thinks it's fake so there's no real no no value in it is that what you guys think is that how you guys think lockie Martin Works no lockie Martin doesn't give a [ __ ] locky Martin's like okay you developed a plasma orb that can teleport it make me like a million more of those and do it on for like Pennies on the dollar for me that's how it probably really works out Divas wow wow deos thank you very much I'm GNA run through some of these donations when we get to the end here we're pretty much approaching it you guys have been amazing I appreciate it been a long this is the longest live stream we've ever done actually but it's worth it I mean this this conversation is just incredible how P off this is probably as close to closure from how off as we're going to get probably as close as we're going to get B bra thank you very much I feel like how off's pushing the limit as far as he can push it without getting in trouble so I would say we we should not let stigma be an issue in pursuing Advanced ideas because you can be sure that if there's stigma associated with it some of that stigma might be being generated on purpose that's very helpful yeah and I think what we're seeing I wonder sometimes if the stigma is just do I have the ability to do my job and do the work right because what we're seeing now is that this is the highest level of interest that we've seen with scientists and entrepreneurs there is no topic out of the of covered every topic in the the critical Technologies list fields that when I I wanted to react uh to something that Hal had said earlier particularly with regard to uh the ground Quantum state of let's say a hydrogen atom and the implications that may have for Zero Point Energy okay the argument I think can be made that the proton and the electron and a single hydrogen atom have to spend a lot of time very close together specifically about half an angstrom close together and the argument can also be made as a result of that quote proximity the two can be said to have developed some degree of phase coherence in what we would call their Quantum wave functions now as it turns out a number of the methods for achieving what we now what we used to call cold fusion Rel upon similar kinds of ways to get particles to get atoms to be quite close together even if only for brief uh periods of time uh for example the model that my colleagues and I have been developing for what we call parametric pumping of systems uh to get um nuclei close together what parametric pumping that sounds eily similar to parametric oscillations if you're not familiar with why this is significant this is why bring our variable inductor into the circuit capacitor only needs a minuscule amount of latent charge as even any dead capacitor will have some Laten charge this video should have 10 million views the process of exponential growth begins and after a short amount of time the current begins to take off and and since the current must be constant through all the elements we see that the voltage across the resistor takes off as well this means that real power is being generated in the system and is able to do real work creating heat through the resistor so what is who is this is this Richard of the methods for achieving what we now what we used to call cold fusion rely upon similar kinds of ways to get particles to get atoms to be quite close together even if only for brief uh periods of time uh for example the model that my colleagues and I have been developing for what we call parametric pumping of systems uh to get um nuclei close together uh for a brief period uh and that to build up large amplitudes of molecular vibrations in order to achieve this close separation between nuclei may be capable of being exported to cover a wider volume of atoms so that perhaps if quantum coherence can be achieved among the nuclear wave functions uh for a collection of atoms that could involve trillions of them uh perhap that might make it E easier to extract energy from uh from the the zero point I think how suggestion has a lot of Merit and I see that leading to some significant Energy Technologies wow wow so he's saying if you can manipulate the quantum effects say like in a plasma and turn it into a Bose Einstein condensate where it has super fluidity in super conductivity you might be able to achieve a state where you can have a permanent energy source where you can have Fusion happening not because we're heating it up but because we're manipulating the quantum properties of this bones Einstein condensate wow if you guys don't realize why is people don't understand what a Bose Einstein condensate is a Bose Einstein condensate St is effectively taking these Quantum properties where something is either here or over here and manipulating it to a scale that we can observe a macroscopic scale even if it's a tiny scale we can we can still observe these phenomenon super fluidity where uh a liquid of molecules acts as one or superconductivity where our molecules or our electrons do not hit any atoms they don't heat up our wires stay perfectly cool these are these types of phenomenons Bose Einstein condensate is not very well known in terms of what it means in the public and this is intentional because it's a Quantum effect that can potentially take advantage of the Zero Point Energy that's around us and might be able to produce permanent energy plasma coherence whoever just said that Snuffy shout out to you this is a good way to describe it you have a plasma and you've created a coherence where it acts as one what does acting as one remind you of kind of like a bubble where it's acting as one where we're seeing like uh organized organiz organization when there should be chaos like we're seeing a toroidal let's say Vortex if if we saw that you'd say why is it look that way why does it look so organized because it's a plasmoid coherence Bose Einstein condensate Okay let's listen to the last few seconds of this and then I think we're done for tonight so much FL that's amazing really appreciate you getting into the technical dep there do others want to add fact that this film is coming out anchor L okay he shouts out the program or whatever I don't know I'm not watching uh the James Fox thing you guys can uh give me any clips of the James Fox video If it's any good um I did hear that how POF apparently makes some more claims but this this podcast was better than any UFO documentary that I've ever seen okay guys 4our live stream this was awesome this was fire share any Clips in the Discord with me guys I'll post a link to it one more time uh that I can share I hope you guys learned a little bit about physics today this uh really touched on every single topic that we've been talking about with respect to MH 370x special shout out to uh the Martin FL Memorial project also known as Bob Greener really great guy I've shouted him out on many podcasts because he's one of the world's leading experts on Cold Fusion right now and a very strong proponent of exotic vacuum objects and Ken shoulders understanding of plasmoids being the real underlying Factor on how cold fusion is actually possible and of course I love that because I'm sitting here telling you guys plasma is the secret plasma is the secret uh thank you also as well to crypto Alchemist JK Philly fan both of you guys have been amazing uh follow these guys if you're not please follow crypto Alchemist follow his channel he's been literally working on Alchemy and 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