UFOlogy News Space Update 1/19/24

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# UFOlogy News Space Update 1/19/24 what's up chat welcome guys trying to figure out how to get my space working here um SEC where exactly is this thing I was able to find Direct eyewitnesses and corroborate that did happen when individuals would Target in on it with the Optics the way it was described each of these hanging things they were stiff like they weren't moving they had geometric form like scales where was said to be scales like an armor there were also people with night vision who were out and they were tasked to go look for it couldn't see it on the night vision immediately so that put me on high alert too why is it completely being shut down that battle guard guys total nut job not the funny kind either it goes out over a body I'm told it stops on a dime descends into the water stiff talking about Jeremy corbel and for 17 minutes nothing talking about JC guys and boom this thing comes up out of the water and shot it looks very much mikle like a good enough of the gist so yes that's definitely good enough these were two videos that came out that he claimed were of the same object at different times but there wasn't any um what's up Eric long time no chat Bud like uh it's not like skyf fire news besides his words that it's like the same object you know I mean it's kind of hard to verify um so didn't have any thoughts on that before we get into kind of like because then what happened it became almost kind of like back and forth with like this chinoski witness kind of in the middle of um competing narratives from Green Street and Corbell so yeah Chris Corbell I thought it was interesting because obviously I haven't watched the show but he Corbell States something along the lines of you know this thing was jamming r radar and you know but we can we can locate a whatever terrorist or whatever he said from so and Target them from soall way well it's really funny because that specific system which we now know uh was the tethered aerostat radar system uh doesn't have a weapon system attached to it from what I could tell so uh it's kind of weird that he mentioned that because it's not really relevant because that system doesn't have that kind of targeting think as far as um like weapons so always I thought that was a little weird that he mentioned that he should know better than that but then again that's Corbell not he acts like he knows things about the military but he doesn't there is a um maybe like an embellishment you can kind of hear you know what I mean a little bit to make it sound more serious and I wonder if that's in an effort to make the the um the topic you know what I mean a little bit more urgent or you know or or what but I think you're not the only one who's noticed something like that there's some discrepancies I mean in the video he describes behavior that isn't shown on video that would totally go against the idea that it was a Belo right there's there's this idea that it dives into the water I might be going don't feel right about it right like drifting or anything your V now the video we just see that this thing is floating over the base why don't we see that other part where is that other part he didn't he say that it exists but I agree with tup yeah that's an interesting aspect of it I think right where the only part we get to see is the part that could be explained away is that to stir debate is that on purpose or well he he he mentioned on the podcast with steo that apparently he's gonna release the other part of the video uh which is interesting because if he had if he had access to that from the start um and this thing isn't classified why didn't he just release that part of the video with the other footage like why would you not have the evidence and put it forward to back the claims that this thing took off out of the water at a 45 degree angle like it makes sense to hold that off and not post that claims that it exists and that he's going to put it out so heed your yeah if I can jump I agree with Chris on that like it's the thing that there's two things that stink about me or stink to me about this which is one that this object is just floating it's not really doing anything anomalous like I think we can be a little bit more creative than balloon personally like I don't know this isn't much more creative but maybe it's like some kind of tarp or something that's floating with something stuck to it I have no idea but the other thing that bugs me about this is the way he's building it up like he's like Floyd Mayweather right where it's like okay we're going to release this on this day and then I'm not going to tell you about this other thing that would like verify it but we'll we'll release that in like two weeks or something like he's like building up like maximum dramatic effect for it right like when you're an investigator you should just be putting the information out there right away and I don't know the only way two ways I can look at it one is that it's he knows it's some kind of inside scam or something where it's not legit the other way is that he is trying to like catch people in a trap where he's trying to get people to say they debunked it and then go oh no here's this other footage but I don't just doesn't feel right to me I don't know what to say like the whole thing about it just odd yeah I agree with Ashton there I mean if you especially the part where you why not just it seems a bit deceptive like like it almost seems like it's a backup plan for if it wasn't well taken like you know what should I do now to to mitigate this damage like nobody's buying it what should I do well let's say there's another part of the video and I'm going to release that like I said it just seems very disingenuous and I also think it's you know you can make the case that this is part of his grift this is how he this is how he does it um but you know that's just my stance on it personally and everybody's entitled to make money right but at the same time it's like man I don't know it definitely feels like he's trying to build it up for maximum marketing value or for I don't know is the next one going to be on TMZ as well do we have any information on that I mean maybe we'll all look stupid when he releases and show some crazy thing in this you know knot balloon or whatever it is flying off into space if it does then I guess I'll be the first one to be like okay maybe Jeremy Corbell is right oh I yeah I've stated in a comment somebody asked I said I'll I'll eat crow no problem uh and dish out apology if that that other video shows up unedited in a raw form to where it is 100% the same object taken off out of the water at a 45 degree angle or whatever angle he claims I will 100% apologize publicly uh to Jeremy Corbell yeah that's great I think can you can you uh verify for us what is the the additional claims just so everyone in the chat is aware like something about going in the water and shooting off can we nail that down so that when it comes out we can know whether or not we hit our goal posts yeah that's basically it he said um that it flew it shot down into the water for 17 minutes it was underwater and then the same object shot out of the water 45 degree angle I think this might be a good time too before we get right into the chinoski stuff we uh put up some clips this week of Corbell talking about vetting sources and also like threatening the CIA and FBI so I've never done nothing wrong so the whole idea is when you how do you know it's not fake there's a lot of ways to do that we'll talk about some of that stuff first conversation if you're call me I say have patience on me don't give up on me I'm on Cosmic time not on your time seriously and I develop relationships over years with people I then do my own vetting through my own sources not through who sources give me sources and then I bring it to George knap when I feel it's a good case and he does his own process through his own contacts that he's made for over 40 years if I put something out you can bet your [ __ ] ass that it is legit and that it is worth putting out to the public for debate Chris I see you laughing you have any thoughts on that before we get to him threatening the FBI be SC careful put this first of all sorry it's my dog first of all having the balls to sit there and make threats to government agencies put invitation open invitation to say come investigate me this magnet extremely happy ex honest maybe he's just got a big head other platforms like Joe Rogan and all and TMZ and all that stuff that is a very foolish statement to make and especially on the back of when Sue Goff has stated that you know unauthorized disclosure of of certain things um you know could lead to investigations so it that's that's a really bold statement um yeah and let's listen to the FBI thing real quick let's assume that one real quick because that not call into question you know the you're just not g to share the S so but it's not a sour what I'm saying is uh it takes usually about three times for me to get a product right like a military filmed video then what I do is my own channels not connections that sources give me I I mean I have sources in the in the what no I'm playing uh red did did Red cut out for anybody else yes okay cool we were all we're all on the edge of our seat um the rest of that clip is actually really interesting that was one of the best interviews uh steveo's Wild Ride yeah I had to keep those magnets super far away from one another that's they're wild man yeah those magnets do not mess around man I put them like a foot apart on the counter and they just they pulled at each other and the one magnet just broke and they hit each other so hard I I was like holy crap word is uh doing a lot of work for him lately I think he's really trying to harp in on that because I do think they're kind of and even on their show uh we didn't really clip this part but they were kind of talking about actually not just magnets they were super powerful magnets this fear of Investigations right and like leaning in on that we journalist uh it's okay that we classified stuff and I'll be honest as a quote unquote true I'm conflicted there like if they're leaking legit UFO footage I feel like that's kind of commendable I'm chis here so yeah well obviously I'm gonna disagree too loud my ears if if it's classifi there's a reason it's classified and I'd be willing to bet my entire bank account it's not because it's uh evidence of Otherworldly craft there's a reason for classification tomorrow I'm going to take that magnet and mess around the he could say think I don't really consider coming comp to George Who start doing experiment fit more of a journalist uh but I do find it uh a bit interesting I'm scared even promoted that because like I said he's getting pretty these are pretty ballsy statements we've we've seen Corbell and platforms for years now and he's never gone out like this and stated these things so to it's either one or two talking about the this guy is legitimately telling the truth and he's got the information and he's ready to spill the beans or obviously I want to hear from General Flynn General is a traitor he's to get that makes me even more interested my parents have full C he also had three years to investigate this jellyfish thing and you know if you had three years to investigate it like he stated I just again why not release the app the full video why only clip it you know it just all stuff doesn't make sense and it's huge red flags Ashton well yeah I can hear Ashton I don't know if you guys can but yeah reflex oh you can no I I can't hear him but uh what do you guys think about the fact that other jellyfish type objects have been filmed that are somewhat anomalous uh do you think that uh is there any connection there is it always balloons have you ever seen a video that has come out that resembles some type of weird creature or something like that in the sky there's a ton of them floating around we covered a little bit of it but these have been going around since like the 90s and you got to wonder like what are these things um have is there any truth to the overall term is Corbell maybe piggybacking on that term or is I muted that's why oh yeah is it all just balloons yeah so what I would bring up is the Jetpack Man situation from a few years ago right to me that was first off first thing I thought of when I saw the jellyfish thing cuz I don't think we should assume what we're looking at there is like actually like a jellyfish right and it might be just a weird shape right and then if you think about okay what other the weird shapes have we seen well the Jetpack Man one was every every goes oh no Ashton you can jetpacks people can fly in jetpacks 3,000 feet man guys I'm just telling you that's not a real thing like yes you can fly like 20 30 feet in the air over the water it's because if you land then you go into the water right but if you're up in the sky that high it's not really how it works I think that what we have a tendency to do is have prosaic explanations we see something and we go oh like we think that thing looks like a jellyfish we say oh it looks like a jetpack man right um those are the ones that I think we should if you want to try if people are interested like that's the stuff we should kind of compare to and try to figure out like what is this floating stuff if we just say for a second okay let's say it's not balloons just for the sake of argument okay well then what is it right is it a is it a creature is it if it is an alien or is it some other explanation yeah that reminds me of it was funny one of the the running things was ett early on from the debunking camp I thought that was pretty funny they're just not awake it looked like bird poop you know what I mean yeah just for clarification I never said bird poop oh yeah oh good for you Chris yeah Chris is Chris come out clean on this one when the theory was presented okay that it looked like a like a bird poop my mind my mind wanted to immediately just register bruha The Mex you want to dismiss maybe you know what I mean some of these like things that you're seeing that don't make any sense but that theory I loved how it dissolved yeah I want to hear from the if you guys me on but weird to like to dismiss it so easily and even uh Green Street popped on that that one was like please God let this be you don't know how bad I want this to be literal bird [ __ ] I thought that was a a funny comment but uh yeah quickly quickly it was figured out it was 3D what do you guys think about the fact that it's called a balloon but the the balloons hanging from the main part aren't like drifting backwards or like don't seem to be like really drifting at all or moving independently they all seem to be like one object pretty solid have you guys noticed in the object on the jellyfish from the from the video any kind of like drift in the little dangly things that are coming down the appendages yeah I saw that that I mean it's interesting you do see jellyfish reported for a long time but uh I really don't know what to make of it we'll see I mean it would be cool right if Corbell put out the full video and we could like look at that but as it is now I could see the like balloon stuff and some of those arguments maybe but I don't know uh it might be good to kind of go into like the stuff that happened with chinoski afterwards so so basically this uh this guy Michael chinoski he was station at the base where this was filmed after the fact was filmed I think he got there in like December and this was filmed in November or something like that it was fairly shortly after and he said it was the Talk of the Town he left a comment on a YouTube video maybe something and then basically step Green Street reaches out to him talks to him his takea away from that interaction was that um see that's the difference between those traged thought it was debunk I don't care uh I like thought it was kind of like praic basically uh he said uh when asked if he had to choose between the object being something alien or praic chosi replied the latter and then so Green Street kind of did run with that right and then it seems like uh I guess we should just listen to and talk on new nation before we hear him talk to corbel where he kind of talks about how he feels like he was wish could have just the video somewhere he was telling Corbell that he kind of felt like would be a good way of saying narrative controlled I guess by well I mean it I think so I mean really Green Street has his own angle of the story right and that's I mean he's that he wears that on his sleeve it's not really hidden um and the the way he phrased it I think was so the latest when asked if he thought this was alien or prosaic he said the latter like he said prosaic but I mean those are the only two options you're asking me to say you know what I mean in an article I know that's going to come out on the New York Post or something I'm going be like okay definitely probably praic you know what I mean probably not an alien that's fair that is kind of like a weird thing to set it up as like do you think it's prosaic or do you think it's uh time traveling Dino Beaver yeah by the way this I'm gonna print this totally debunked H maybe uh we could listen to chinoski on news Nation everything's been debunked did yes and so what else is there in the video that we haven't see not a whole lot all I can say about that is towards the it's going to be a let down I guarantee it it it seemingly just continued off into the distance and it got smaller and smaller whether that's because uh the sensor was zooming out or it was moving off into the distance but it got the thing about why it's not a b balloon would be increas height right it's not going to be going horizontally Dro into the water or it just continued over the lake because there's a lake next door of the it's got to have some weight to it uh but at no point in the towards the end of the video did it where you could see it drop into the water and then shoot off into the sky like there have been some Dean that never happened did you think when you watched it for the first time that like it could be you know or is that him it crossed my mind it's definitely not me because the theories that we had like I said fully explain it and so naturally I think our human mind or Cur curiosity kind of goes there and it's like you know is is this something extraterrestrial or extra dimensional or paranormal or whatever I like Chris a lot but his community is like the worst and it didn't seem to be it's like one step below poing to threaten us Lon is so it wasn't like we needed to take immediate AC against it so yeah we've created new I think was handled in the best way possible like I said it kind of just ended up being kind of like the ghost the lon memes later the base okay so we can there and that's interesting he kind of says uh I think I think he said basically right there too that that shooting out of the water thing he said that that didn't happen or at least that wasn't on film um any have any thoughts on that before we kind of get into what he told Corbell about kind of how his uh statements were maybe mischaracterized yeah well I want I want to describe who sinoski is right so um did we break down who he is and why why it's important and he wasn't there happened to be that stationed at that same base later and he heard about the stories and saw like I think he was saying what he saw there but yeah actually was not there well he stated he was part of a crew that replaced uh yeah I group who were stationed there that's that's normal maybe it's just he heard about the story they had talked about it he had he stated that um and it was the ghost the ghost story on on the joint uh operations base there so U but that's how he wasn't there he just saw it saw the video ones and I think he's even stated had it saved on his workstation yeah the thing I would jump in and say is that that right away was a red flag where he says he saw it and it doesn't seem that he saw the whole video right and he didn't see anything that wild like that's what I'm afraid of with Corbell like he's building something up to be hyped up but then it's going to be a let down but now to flip to play Devil's Advocate what I'd say is it doesn't look like balloons cuz balloons I would expect to be rising or or kind of blowing more erratically right if you would think about like a balloon in the air you're generally not going to see that like low altitude or like low to the ground like that moving horizontally um that's the only thing that seems weird and like there has to be some weight to it I feel like so has it ever been said how low to the ground it was that's the thing is like if you watch the video and you know it's it's it's taken from that that tethered uh reconnaissance system um and it's and it's moving around is this a is this a form of paraly I'm just putting it out there where it obviously it makes the the object look like it's moving faster than it is because the the system recording it is also moving in a different direction I think the system recording it was from a balloon yeah it was a tethered balloon recording it was from a balloon what's that just so I sorry I missed I think you explained this earlier but so the system recording is also on a balloon is that true or is it or what yeah so it the system uh that it's recording from is called the tethered aerostat radar system or tars that's what I believe that uh sinosi stated um so one that doesn't carry any kind of Munitions uh but it's tethered so if it's tethered and it's a balloon obviously it's going to be affected by wind we wonder is the is the recording system also moving while the balloon is because if that's the case then there's a possibility that it's making the object look uh that's so weird look like it's actually moving quicker than it is and did say that he didn't think it would be balloons because it was too static he did say that I agree with that descript I mean I agree with that suspicion it's two St you'd expect some drifting things like the balloons presented in that like now meme image right looks like it has a bunch of other things dangling from it with like you know that is they're not stiff those arms aren't stiff on on that balloon you'd expect some drift some something and there's nothing it's interesting to get that description from from Sosi as well go ahead Ashton that tethered aerostat radar system this is so weird I was just looking at this like yesterday um somebody had mentioned this to me I was looking at these it's you guys should Google this or so if maybe we can put a link up to it but it looks like a big ball sack I don't have a better way to put it but uh it's such a weird object it's like the big Hindenburg balloon that they float around I just couldn't believe this thing was real and now apparently that's what took the video of the jellyfish interesting um I don't understand how you have that footage for three years but then the internet has to figure out like the wind speed at the time and the internet has to figure out um you know the direction it was flowing over the base if you have three years I mean good Lord you should not only drop the the video but you should have a lot of information from an independent investigation to go with it um so yeah that b question I don't know about three years having the video for three years I I really question that and this kind of happened last time right with the 29 Palms one where they had it for a long time they've been sitting on the stuff for three years and uh then they released it but it's like it almost seems like like at least have some witnesses come forward maybe that were at the event you know it's like why did chinoski have to come out after the fact from a YouTube comment you know I feel like stuff like that should have been maybe handled before um yeah any other thoughts he brushes it off with Cosmic time I don't think Keem heard that before but it's like Cosmic Time come on was that not a quote that is a quote a quot uh I'm on Cosmic time not your time I I definitely seen that um and I I did laugh I mean it is what it is everyone's different everyone's got a different way of saying things I don't want to beat him up uh you know too much on uh you know stuff like that but I when I see something come out and you've had it for three years I just expect way more information on it um and unfortunately it's it's kind of up to the internet and it's up to all these independent um you know researchers all online and that's why that uh post from Green wall was so good um I'm not sure if anyone's seen it but he put out a big post saying within like 72 hours we got all this information on this because everyone has been working together and investigating U the UFO jellyfish there needs to be more collaboration um but I'm just again at the same time I feel like Corbell should have had everything like he should have came out with this is what we know about this this is what we know this was the wind speed this was the direction it was going uh just I don't like how these things are being released and I question if they're really being investigated as much as corball says yeah yeah I feel like he's overhyping and how much work he put into it as well right just because of what you said like he didn't find anybody who was there anyone who corroborated he didn't look to see what the wind speed was like there's so much stuff you could investigate to give corroborating evidence but it's like just puts it out there here you go internet and I'm going to build it up and hype it up as much as possible as well and also I have stuff that's not in it like imagine if Ashton uh or even Chris were uh releasing this uh footage to the world I mean it would come back with pages and pages and pages and pages of documents as well like this is what we found here this you know what I mean like there would be just so much information with the video um so yeah yeah it's pretty interesting uh three years and and that's where the argument for collaboration from both sides makes the most sense when you have something that's out there open source you have people from all different uh backgrounds and uh Specialties and whatever they can all hone in on this and and give pieces of the puzzle to to form the actual picture and that's why like I've always found it really crazy give him credit though don't you know subscribe to Skeptics and and or debunkers whatever you call it pry weird weird video but if you if you just like who was it Ashton said or or Keem said Richard MC within 72 hours all of this information I'm pretty sure Corbell even stated that the Bas was top secret and all of these things and aren I mean it was ours we knew the name of the base I mean Sosi came out uh we knew the lake that was near the base um we I mean it was narrowed down relatively quickly but you had three years to look at this and you you couldn't give us any information other than the fact that there's more video out there that you didn't release it's just wild to me we're gonna doubt um I someone made a comment earlier that it um couldn't be balloons because uh you know it wasn't going up or down or anything like that um I don't I don't believe that I think like we've all seen balloons where they've lost like some of their helium so they just sit sit static like they don't go up they don't go down they just float in the same spot um if it was balloons it's probably something similar to that there's a lot of videos of those I mean a lot of security camera footage of little balloons kind of floating down and behaving strangely but they're drifting with the wind a little bit they seem to behave intelligently but they're just going up and down you know what I mean with the temperature and with everything else uh sometimes with the traffic there's a old famous one and guys if you want to see any of these videos you can scroll to the nest uh just check out the stuff we've been putting out uh we're going to try to keep the stuff up there kind of topical uh as we go through it um but what do you guys think how different would that video be of the UFO jellyfish if it stopped and then went the other direction like how much more credible would that video be so much more or if it went in the went in the water and then came out and shot out into space like you said like that would be unbelievable that would be that would be amazing but even a little bit of a direction change some kind of like intelligent movement would have been great um yeah but hopefully we get to see the full thing if it's out there TBD I think it's Pennywise Pennywise it you know just sending balloons out there people scaring them haunting them well little alien balloons as literally stole a thought right out of my mind because I was GNA open the mic and say it's probably just pen Pennywise floating around see you guys are destined to be friends look at us I mean if if it is a secret military base I mean what are the chances of it being a you know a a very like cheap spy uh balloon type situation like aren't the chances of that relatively High yes yes 100% uh you know there's mwan down there he could probably talk about this too but yeah I mean when you're over in those those types of those countries and those that type of the world you know they they have to get creative on ways of accessing information about you know obviously non-friendly groups over there so they don't have the access to technology like we would so they have they would probably try to utilize other ways put access things that that does make sense but at the same time I also hate the statement and people have been saying this that a place like Iraq wouldn't have balloons floating around cuz apparently I don't know if people just think they're too poor and it's just all completely desert and there's no the people out there are miserable and don't celebrate birthdays or special occasions but there very much are a lot of celebrations especially in that culture where they release like they have balloons so I think that's probably why that theory holds a little bit more water and I know some people disagree but at the same time people saying that there there shouldn't be balloons over air bases conflict zones in Iraq uh that's just ridiculous I mean we're we're seeing stuff like this in the current conflict right now with uh Russia and Ukraine you know Russia's bringing in all this high-tech tanks and all that stuff and the ukrainians are getting DJI drum like commercial or excuse me civan Dr they're using those and strapping grenades on them having tanks ball balloon thing was filming at what it called Jack it's not that crazy though some would have a makeship uh spy balloon with a GoPro attached to it and they're just floating it over a military base so that's not that's not a crazy Theory yeah I actually think that's probably one of the most likely theories right I mean I don't really dig the idea of birthday balloons I don't even see balloons in my own like State really ever but I think the idea that well it's a secret military base like yeah people get creative we just had a Chinese spy balloon like what February of last year floating around but Grant that's not the same thing but you know like you said people get creative maybe it's a go go Chris and'll lead us into our next clip I got pulled up oh I was just gonna I was gonna agree uh I mean yeah I mean there's obviously things that are are floating around um and we've seen that as of February last year so not not everything needs to be super Advanced and I also want to say to back up what Keem said I've literally seen a video here on X of a drone in Ukraine and it dropped a grenade or some kind of explosive ordinance on top of a soldier's head and killed him instantly and he had a helmet and it was a DJ DJ uh what is it DJI or ever literally a civilian drone like this is this is like a $2,000 drone that we can all buy on Amazon that is what they're using one last thought somebody in my chat mentioned is that um we could look at AO gels as an explanation as well uh those have been kind of floating around the scientific Community recently which is like this I I going to call it a meta material although I don't think it qualifies technically but like they're able to suck out like the inner of this foam basically and fill it with a light substance so that essentially is light as air um so that could be an explanation as well theoretically well a lighter than air structural thing with definitely explain what we're seeing there right because it doesn't like you know doesn't have little dangly Parts it's really just it's pretty solid and that's even what Sosi said and he had probably better footage than that um so it's you know it's a pretty valid uh description real quick I want to Welcome to the stage we have uh Jeremy Macwan and also alien girl uh thank you guys for being here Jeremy what's your take on this thing uh will you close us out of the jellyfish topic and then we'll we'll allow uh red to play this next clip and get us in the next thing yeah well first off can you guys hear me okay I'm on Bluetooth I don't know if it's working yeah you're coming through good perfect awesome awesome yeah so jellyfish UAP obviously I was one of the ones that came out at the beginning and said it's bird crap um but in my defense I spent maybe 18.3 seconds looking at it um the reason I didn't put a lot of faith or time or invest any amount of energy into investigating that video is because of the source it came from and the history of that source and the fact that you know we know that Corbell put out the Mojave triangles that was proven as as flares and all these other things I just I have lost any amount of faith that I ever had in the statements that Corbell puts out especially when it's extremely sensationalized you know it's a top secret military base on the sensationalism true folks and the fact that they had this video for two years at a minimum and they didn't figure out what it was Frid the collective consciousness of Twitter has basically all but proven that this is a balloon just reinforces the fact that I think we Prov spending a on looking at that so my first speculated it looks like a bird crapped on the viewfinder or I mean on the uh on um that turned out to be not correct because when you look at the video especially the uh the still images that were pieced together you can actually see a three-dimensional object in there um that said I do subscribe to the balloon Theory uh helium balloons that have lost some of their helium will become what we call neutrally bullant um it is possible that it is a uh handcrafted spying device with a with a GoPro or something similarly low Tech on it I know when I was in the middle that's to me what's most likely now over there low device I just don't know what it is I I've had firsthand experience chasing I think that corell's gon let us down with the handful of balloons that had been tied together that somebody had affixed a old Sony Erikson uh cell phone that had one of the first iterations of a video camera on it and flew it over Cobar Towers in Saudi Arabia is an interdimensional creature miles and miles until it was down naturally bar recover the phone and take PR low bar for proof interdimensional creatures not doing anything interdimensional that does happen in this situation I am less uh believing of of that and more thinking that it was the uh I think it was the elid celebrations and such that were roughly timed in the same uh capture that bird so I I think it was just a conglomeration of balloons and to address the fact that somebody had said you know what about the appendages they didn't look like they were drifting backwards or anything unless it's a they don't have to be because it doesn't have its own forward momentum the balloons are all traveling at the same speed because they're trapped in that wind speed so the bottom balloon is going to be being pushed at the exact same speed as the top balloon it doesn't need to drift backwards I think the question is why is it not moving like more have we talked about the um the other side of things where there's like kind of a historical record uh throughout history of people claiming to see jellyfish that's where my interests lie right is like okay maybe this one is weird but what about all these other ones and why is that a can like we I always hear about like the tr3b right the saucers the orbs but we have videos of all these weird and stories too from like super large ones seen from airplanes to you know all these different recorded ones from the ground I mean I do think that's where that's where I think is super fascinated about it though I don't know what are your guys' thoughts what other examples do you have oh oh sorry hey guys what's up what's up Amy welcome to the show thanks man this is really sweet um I think I think the jellyfish video was probably balloons that's what I think oh yeah not on Cosmic time maybe it's not though maybe it's maybe it's something else maybe it's interdimensional I mean I can't really tell but it did look like those balloons from the ey get to the woo Celebration The Green Street debunk was pretty good it was that's great segue so now we're going to have chinosi or chinosi some explanations thees CGI and green stre out to him first interviews him basically ends his interview with asking him hey do you think it was prosaic or alien and then he said prosaic if I had a pick and then that was kind of ran with his like oh it's already debunk guys we have someone who was at the base it's kind of funny though like you got to be honest some people are like oh yeah hell yeah sinosi hell yeah and then as soon as like this clip comes out where he's like I was kind of forced to take a position then it's like actually that guy's not credible anymore he's not a credible person but uh let's just listen the I mean I know that I think the first interview that most people saw was conducted by yor we saw that and we were kind of surprised by the angle can you walk us through that what you said and versus what was reported so the the biggest thing I think that was um kind of mouth is I really wanted to take the approach of I'm I'm kind of 5050 between you know this there could be a logical explanation but I was kind of forced to take a position and I didn't want to and that was kind of Illustrated what do you mean you you were forced to take a position you told me that first thing and we recorded that conversation I asked you can I record and you you said that you were being kind of forced into position you know of like a debunk kind of thing I think it was the New York Post you said what was the what was the misquote what was the kind of pressure you were put under to to to take a position I think specifically um yeah it was that New York Post he had asked me he was like do you think it's alien or do you think it's more prosaic and I I with the information that I have and being with my background being an intelligence analyst right I with with all that information that I have I went with I'm leaning more towards you're right it's it's unexplainable it could be probably logicly explained but that is not my official position you got to prove what it is you got to prove it we got do better I guess my my my question is got do better than that uh you kind of conveyed to me were you pressured by the New York Post were they trying to get you just to debunk it right out the gate I feel pressured during the interview uh it was more of a just kind of a more of a friendly question like oh what do you think and I was like well I this but afterwards when uh it was written about and shared to an audience it it made it sound more so that that is my position and that's not necessarily true so yeah pretty interesting stuff and it's something I think probably a lot of the speakers here could kind of uh empathize with right you kind of get uh because he kind of was kind of thrust into the community right and then before you know it you have all these different sides trying to like pull you and push you towards certain narratives and um it's pretty meta I feel like even within that speech right this poor guy Loki I feel like both people kind of used him to their narrative Green Street and Corbell but it's funny that like corell's like really digging for like the the Zinger on Green Street I also find it funny when people are like I think it was the New York Post uh maybe it's like bro you know it was the New York Post you know it was Green Street what why you trying to act like you don't know but yeah any thoughts he was like you know he was dist distancing himself from that dude for real it is a tug of- War sinowski popped up on a YouTube comment right and then within hours Green Street had reached out to him got a comment from him and posted right away you know what I mean it immediately started this like tug of war between this like so-called witness who was just a person who was there who saw the video like very interesting and then everything they said from one side to the other everyone was like weighing a whole argument on it it's very it's very weird there are people just thrust into the community though who who come out is this an example of like treating a so-called whistleblower a witness like if you're in his shoes how do you take that are you enjoying your experience so far or are you like I don't know if I'm gonna want to talk more about this stuff you got to be careful because everything you say is going to be under a microscope right 100% And I also think uh I like I stated earlier on on Lou's podcast I think sinosi is a genuine dude and I think he he gave his honest uh speculation or opinion on what he he saw via a video and do I think that Green Street reached out to you know have him debunk claims I don't it's hard to it's hard to tell that because actually read his transcript that he put out got CNN you know to Green Street you gota look at it like from his standpoint he's only gonna think it's either aliens or it's not right or it's or it's simply explainable there there is no options of uh like nhi interdimensional what whatever the the you know uh gamma of explanations that's not alien that's not what Green Street his beliefs are well it's either it's either ours or it's not which would be aliens that's what I get from that and it it's really and I posted about this I really think that you know Corbell tried so hard to get this guy who's been genuine and even Green Street to this day still states that despite Sosi changing his story a little bit he still puts out there that he thinks he's just a genuine dude and he was just talking about his experience and you know and Corbell possibly persuaded him to might change it a little bit because of what Corbell claims that he has from sources and so that would make somebody trying to remember something from a few years back think well [ __ ] maybe maybe there was something you know you know what I mean so I don't think it was Ill intention on Green Street but it's obvious that in that clip you can tell Corbell is trying to do a gotcha moment which I posted a post where it puts that clip that goes a little further where Corbell is bragging about Bad actors and all that but then he does the same thing and tries to convince sinosi what he just explained as something being a little more prosaic and exp an explanation about the infrared Corell is like well um so you know comparing uh I've talked to these sources and who are experts and they say this and and he you could see in real time Corbell is trying to convince him you know maybe maybe it is more you know alien or whatever you want to call it and that and so Corbell literally becomes a hypocrite because he does exactly real time on that on that podcast claims Green Street was trying to do B's impressive yeah I thought that too it was very meta right he's like I feel I feel everyone was honestly trying to persuade that dude and lowkey like manipulate them to fit their narrative the best I think some people do it more overtly than others but I kind of feel bad for people like that that just are kind ofc he was excited to talk about it first and explosion man I don't like how we uh two people interact right you know where's the show where we have a neutral host and we got Corbell on there we got Green Street and they can talk about jellyfish or balloons like I want that combo I think everybody wants that combo right it's it's always in this controlled narrative whether it's the the New York Post article from Green Street all controlled it's green Street's point of view or you get it from Corbell un weaponized it's all his point of view right why is there not enough any debate why is there not any these two worlds are going to meet each other and then we're going to have these ideas battled out in real time where is that this community should be it's not truck4 from the house for sure Skyfire news debates it it absolutely has to happen right because in this vacuum these sides just get more and more polarized they just get more and more like in their own tribe and then now you just have this Division and everyone thinks they're spitting facts and everyone thinks the other person's full of you know crap just it's not great you get him down sitting down long form I mean that's amazing right we just seen Corbell uh go on steo podcast right um is steo an expert in this is steo gonna hit him with the hard questions like you know what I mean this is more of a propaganda tour instead of you know like trying to get the word out and like this stuff being uh with checks and balances and hard questions so we can all get educated right this is supposed to be disclosure there to be you know the people the debunkers if you will they have to come to the table the debunkers have to be in the conversation if you're not gonna have the debunkers in the conversation what are we gonna learn We're not gonna learn anything the the the debunkers are so crucial to the conversation yeah yeah it definitely seems like this is a topic that needs to be talked about and talked through in a dialogue form not preached at us right from people who hold these answers hold these videos for like three and a half years you know I'm not trying to call them call them out you know directly but why why is all this stuff being dangled in front of us without all the facts just weird it puts us in a very low information Zone I don't like it but I want to Welcome to the stage uh Lou reviews Lou jenez welcome to the stage brother good to see you man hey what's up guys uh I just wanted to answer what Keem was asking and the the real simple answer is that'll never happen because those guys vet the shows they go on and they refuse to go on shows with debunkers because they can't hold their weight well this is the issue this is the issue right so when Skyfire news uh gets a little bigger um this is one of the things that I definitely definitely want to bring up right I don't want you know Joe Rogan to have another Corbell interview or steo to have Corbell on again without somebody to push back or what's the point at at this point you're just doing one side of a story and that's it right and this well I think I I think it's just a lot of people get lost in the the magic of it you know like Bob Lazar it's such a sexy story it's such a sexy thing but when you really dive into him and dive into the things he's done and the things he's said he is a psychopath he is a a pathological liar he's a trickster he tells Tall Tales to everyone that he comes across um and he also lets down a lot of people I mean he Bob Bigalow told the story of how he gave him a whole space and ended up just putting all his furniture in it instead of actually doing science work like he told him he was gonna do like it's nobody on these shows does that research because they're so caught up in the [ __ ] of it and they will never do shows where people who know those stories or people who have done that research can question them and actually put their feet to the fire they know who those shows are they know who those people are they never interact with them and they never come close if you're even within their their spit range they will not go on your show or talk to you or interact with you whatsoever if you interact with anyone that they feel is a threat to their empire their little shitty Empire that they sit on you know like they want to control the information they get the you know head line there shitty little tours and there's stupid little movies and you know like it's it's probably a billion doll industry and they're getting a pretty sweet slice of it so that's that's what it is man like this conversation will never get to a scientific level like Eric Weinstein was begging for because the community every time science hits the table they spit on it they kick it out the door they doubt it it's like you can't doubt this this is these are facts and and we refuse to look at this in a real logical way and I I think that's the problem man is there's so much lore there's so much stigma there's so much [ __ ] attached to whatever is happening that to cut to the truth of it honestly it would probably either be really boring or something that none of us could have explained before it you know like so you're the perfect example of that Lou because like uh right of they only go on shows that they get softball questions I was just bring this up the second you do it's like it's not even just like don't go on that show anymore it's like all out of attack so yeah it probably is wishful thinking but I think it could happen still there's some there's some good debates that need to happen and Keem real quick uh for a little bit background of Lou Lou was from the believer camp like you know alzando all of them and I know You' asked Darren Reed that one time who was in here just a second ago uh you know sell me the idea of why I should believe in Lou alzando well Lou uh reviews here jenez he he was in that camp and he obviously saw things at red flags and the most in that camp went on his show more than anyone else the most groomed even if you want to say he's a counter Intel dude I don't know I feel like that's an appropriate word yeah I mean I I dude guys like I don't think it was groomed it was just pure chance man like meeting him and uh you know being able to sort of like [ __ ] he knew how to charm you to like well he knows how to charm everyone you know he's a charmer he's a nice guy he's gullible he's uh you know he's like he's fun he's he's he's a Chum so like yeah anyone who and he's a veteran that's what they get you with is they hit you with hey I'm a veteran but I'm also your buddy and you're in this club just as long as you say the things that we want you to say or repeat you know like they never had to ask me hey can you say this or hey can you do this it was more like I would listen to what they're saying and I would then formulate what I would say on my show well that's how they kind of do it though right like make sure you guys thing right like you get that text before you know you're asking so we can get more people in the community more people following more people paying attention to the um on the MH370 Stuff Etc got close to these guys and and did a complete 180 on them Jeremy McGowan was yelling at me a year before I was able because look McGowan would tell me all these things and I would go bro like there's no proof of this like this is what you're telling me but I don't know I wasn't there like it's not that I don't believe you I just I have to see it for myself and it took seven interviews and two years of interacting with him and seeing how he operates before you could see who this guy really is and he's just [ __ ] he's just lying and it's weird and the way the things and the people he interacts with and and the the people he follows on Twitter like it's just weird like why would a government employee act like this and someone who's flirted with the idea of running for office like it's absolutely wild like and and I I me and mow got into just the craziest arguments like we wouldn't talk to each other for almost a year and all this [ __ ] went down and then you know obviously we were like oh yeah sorry man I was wrong like I see it now like all enemies we were all like curious but none of us want to look like [ __ ] at the end of the day and none of us are willing to S knows I'm interested in the science our souls for shitty UFO Fame like it's you know it's not that important to us you know you know what's really strange to me and we're getting way off topic here and I'd like to stick to the news because this is like the the the last week right update um but it's really interesting uh to me with you know this type of community where everybody doesn't know who to trust and everyone's skeptic of everything and oh you're a CIA agent and you're this and you're that they're also incredibly gullible and will just trust anything like when PE when people tell me stuff I'm like yeah that sounds about right and then I'll go vet it right then I'll do a little bit of research like okay did this really happen did that person really say this okay you know what I mean you it you can trust someone you can believe someone at Faith value but then you actually have to be a responsible adult and do a little work research to just confirm that you're probably right you know you have to do that well I think for a lot of people that are really like me that are really attached to this issue they've had or have seen something you know possibly in their lifetime you know like I've seen something weird man like it was [ __ ] weird funny people ask me I've never seen weird because I saw that's not proof that's not evidence you know flip it around yeah man like I I agree like it's all all people want is just straight answers and I think the straighter we are with each other the more we hold each other accountable to the things that we say the better and I love that the internet is is the murder board for Jeremy corell's [ __ ] because I think people are starting to see through it like there's only so many of these that you can do you know there's only so much Goodwill and cool movies and watches and haircuts that you can put on before people are like you know what [ __ ] you like this is always [ __ ] these videos are always blurry there's always some like you said three-year investigation where nothing comes of it and it's debunked in [ __ ] two minutes on the internet like it's dude it's it's but even though I'm criticizing it I want to be you know perfectly clear here like I'm not anti- corbel I'm not anti- Greenstreet I'm not anti- Lou I'm not anti step Greer I'm not anti any of these guys right I want them to release more stuff I want them to talk more I want them to investigate more stuff and get more stuff out you know the the more information we have the better um so you know that's the other thing there's a lot of like oh that guy's bad never trust does or says ever again who knows maybe someone's making mistakes right maybe they're flat out wrong two things on the third thing they have the Smoking Gun but no one even pays attention to find out if it's legit or not you know so it's like everything has to be uh researched and looked at in my opinion if I could jump I have a I want to play a little bit Devil's Advocate but also kind of support one thing that I've said is I've never seen anything anomalous but to me that doesn't mean that there can't be anomalous stuff out there so like what I would say is do we hold ourselves uh to the same level scrutiny like when we say stuff like oh Jeremy Corbell doesn't go on certain kinds of shows we have proof of that um if we say stuff like um you know the stuff like about Bob Lazar like do we have proof of that as well and if something if our level of proof is that we have to see it for ourselves can we ever really hope to obtain that level of proof I would just ask that we be introspective on that sense as well because I think that we have to kind of look at it halfway right I'm not saying blindly believe stuff but I'm also saying let's not also blindly believe our bi bies when we are saying that stuff's fake either right we should hold both sides of the Lael same level of scrutiny in my opinion I mean no offense that's really nice to say but when you propagate a you know a fake Wormhole story for months and months and months and months when people and experts are telling you look man this is [ __ ] and you just refuse to look at the evidence like and and by this time it's too late like that information's out there it's it's already it's it's it's dirty the pool you know so it's it's kind of tough to sit back and just be like yeah man you know like let me be are those which experts you talking about because the experts I've had on my podcast that are Engineers from the Navy and the dod and physics theoretical physicists the ones that say it's true they've gone on record to say that so which experts are you talking about Lou this is exactly what I'm talking about right like you have your biases and your opinions but they're not supported by any facts or any real experts you just say they are who who are the physicists uh royy Herbert uh engineer Salvadore Pas engineer Dave Rossy these people actually work for the Navy and the dod they're not just ladies gentlem Aston Forbes versus Lou reviews let's go well this is what I'm getting at right is that people like Lou just make up stories to reinform their confirmation gentlemen before we digress into that uh debate which I think is a good one it needs to happen uh believe it or not there's been a ton of [ __ ] that happened this week in the news and we want to slide through some of it I think I think we'll find a lot more topics before we do though before we do if you could bring like all your data and everything you got and Lou if you could actually research this for a week we set this up for like future debate an MH370 debate I would love it I would love it maybe lose the wrong person but I would love it's a it's why it's a waste of time oh see come on that's the type of attitude I don't like d it's a waste of time it's already been debunked it is a a waste of time these guys win last five seconds of my world Keem damn I mean I think a conversation's worthwhile I mean it's not really considered a debate if you want to but you guys both have data Ashton beli because of the people he believes in Lou you have your own view on him talk about those people talk about their theories figure out if they hold water I didn't what was it a how $50,000 reward how much was that guy offering to to prove it was real don't like you don't know 150 Grand man Grand you think a Bitcoin billionaire like Tim P says that made it they didn't want I was listening to you earlier actually I was listening to you earlier where you said right didn't they have to prove that they made the original video to get they have to bring their source files but I was listening to Lou's uh podcast earlier with Chris and Lou was saying that rich people always want more money so how come the person that made in hoax those videos did not want to collect $150,000 and become one of the most famous people on the planet get a job at any VFX Studio they want kind of amazing maybe maybe because they don't follow it or maybe because they already work for one like you said everybody wants more money right anyway let's move on to something else though that's why that's why well are you going to give up are you going to give up a whole career of working within the FX Community for 150,000 for a one-year salary why why would your career end because you came out I made that yeah I think it' be hella CL you be like I'm the guy made it I don't know man I I don't think people in the industry really give a [ __ ] about that kind of clout this is the guy that literally was arguing like an hour ago that rich people need more money well there's something else that you guys aren't considering imagine you being the person that created that video and you come out to collect $150,000 reward for proving that it's fake but now you're faced with being in the public and every single family member that lost somebody on that plane is is going to come after your ass because you just drugg them through a year of trouble and turmoil and emotional damage and all sorts of things because they are living on a hope that something out there means that their people are still alive and now you've got to look those families in the face and tell them that they that you made a joke of the death of their relatives but you don't because literally nobody reached out to me not a single family member has none of them have so that's also [ __ ] this idea that like it would hurt the families like what I would ask anyone who thinks that go watch the CNN Clips with the fames they don't go oh yeah the plane crashed in the ocean they go no this plane didn't crash in the ocean go watch the Netflix documentary where they say the debris was planted they know the official ns are a lie this idea that like alter they're hoping that because it didn't land crash in the ocean man you got to wake up listen to what the families are telling you says that they fake the video you remove that hope from these families that are praying that their people are still alive nobody has reached out to me around the videos man I've had hundreds of millions of views and gone on 60 podcasts not one of them is hanging their Hope on those videos I wish they were I wish they would talk to me because then we could get on TV about well maybe that tells you something too maybe the families know it's [ __ ] as well isn't it POS isn't it plausible Ashton though that the let's say there is a hoer that created this hypothetically speaking isn't it plausible that that hoer um would uh be a little nervous about coming forward because they might feel a sham that they made this up when people died yeah yeah I think that that part is a valid point but the point that like you're going to hurt the families you're afraid of facing the families families aren't even on gun TV most of them sign settlements they can't talk about it anymore none of them have reached out to me and I've made that 100% clear so this idea don't live in this country or speak this language so then how does that help the argument you guys you guys have a lot of passion about this topic I really believe you should agree to a a deeper conversation you guys both have your own fan base and and the the community is kind of divided on this topic anyway it would it would do good to have to hear you guys kind of like talk this stuff out present your facts you guys might come to Common Ground who knows but at least show the potential for it to happen I think it'd be cool but real quick let's get to the news red what's next so okay so great comos guys but next we're going to go into like the whole grush of the week and it kind of started with that hearing that was last Friday um you think Danny Destro com saiding and then we could talk about through the week with me setting that I firmly believe in I believe that he's telling the truth I watched it live he is a credible witness I watch the comment disappeared one thing in particular live your own fantasy to be concerned about this whole thing is that jul Dory literally deleted his on the phone that there were people that were hurt hiding this information and keeping this information safe and brains are funny man they just completely like believe in the alternate reality let me just give you no they're never going to debate we lost you zero% chance these people won't last 5 Seconds debate there is there is currently three orbs spinning around red uh oh red don't go to the light okay we got to uh I appeal to the emotion of the is like the worst argum that's one of them that's one of the best pieces of compilations of that in thees like literally in our so just go up to the top SC through thise was taken they don't believe that the plane was crashed in the ocean alien who said interdimensional I think that that's incredibly important because those are the types of things that when we go in there we you know there's certain things that I think one member used the term that what they were exploring here were for phrase interdimensional beings is that something that we're dealing with yeah isn't it weird how mad people get us trying to find the truth it's so bizarre man I I would have loved to receive much more information you want me to change the balance I think that um it's it's reasonable to say that uh everyone in the room uh Reed probably new information I certainly did and think it's um you know additional information to continue the investigation and ask more questions so definitely have more questions less questions oh we're talking about the Congress stuff here it just verified what I'm gonna mute the background yeah Danny Jones was extremely desperate in our interview when I said that he was projecting like that was that was the the The Knockout below projects is that some of the type of things that you guys have gotten into and that they have not been as forth coming on alien spacecraft or something that's not human look everybody is wondering about the substance of those claims and until we actually look at those specifically and try to get answers about those those claims are just going to be out there and so that's what we need to kind of delve into I just think what uh most of the American people uh fear is true is that the government there's a concerted effort to conceal as much information as possible okay we good sh there yeah anyone have thoughts when that happened uh some of the statements said real quick I want to say uh go to the top go to the nest we just shared the video up there if you want to see the video version of what you just heard uh it's a it's a well put together thing so also follow the Twitter account subscribe to the YouTube and Instagram and Tik Tok um I think it's uh relatively annoying that you know there was no new information what was the point then like what was the point yeah real quick before we go to the next thing too Mick West has already dodged two debates with me major podcast tried to set it up and Mick West already dodged two debates so if you think Lou reviews or somebody else is going to step up to the plate think again no matter what they see or hear in those Skiffs it's not going to be anything gamechanging well and it's also welcome to the skiff because you're not going to get information out of a skiff that's the whole intention and purpose of a skiff ashon yeah I to me it's I think you guys mentioned it right it's like it doesn't seem didn't seem like they got anything new out of it um all the congressman stuff said that I think that there was this narrative that's coming out about it being e extradimensional whatever and it seems like the news is sensationalizing that aspect of it including representative Burleson's comments where he thinks it's like spiritual and could be Angels but Realties if you listen to what he really said when tupacabra answer a question he basically said that oh well quantum entanglement exists there therefore I think that we could be in a you know some type of construct which means that there would be a Creator and that uh religion would be uh able to be able to adapt to that very quickly which is something that I've been saying a lot as well and to me that's what the story should be because there's these narratives out there that like oh it's being held back the UFOs and Al being held back because religious people won't be able to adapt but I don't think that's true at all so to me I mean I there wasn't a lot to get out of that but that's kind of what I got out of it and from him yeah I that that's definitely not true if you go back through the history books you can see humans uh worshiping all kinds of gods right humans can adapt to anything so if the gods that uh are revealed yeah the monkers don't address any of our evidence even today the or any other ReliOn sure people would adapt right away he wouldn't respond to any of it they don't glad you're able to make it um yeah so response to the uh The Briefing in the skiff I I think it was really positive actually I'm going to I'm going to come off uh on the other end uh a lot of people said it moved the ball and a lot of people said that it really energized all the the members that are in the room energized them to get you know more answers so I think this is going to lead to more public hearings almost definely was in this hearing has AOC said anything apparently she was in that hearing as well and normally she's all over social media I haven't seen anything yeah even if they couldn't reveal details wouldn't they say uh we we definitely learn more information and leave it at that you know we didn't even get a hint of that real well they did compare it to the um the dod uh IG briefing which was much worse so it was an improvement from their last briefing so they apparently did get some new information they just can't talk about it I wonder if what they got was Rush's um questions and the things that he proposed that they couldn't get access to last time I wonder if maybe that was what they've seen um and just I mean because it they did release you know Greenwall released the Foya where you know obviously the debate happened about the 15 years grush has been studying uh subject so I wonder if maybe they saw like gush's statements and what he claims several years ago Prett I didn't know who she even was at first saying a intelligence Community finally figured it out I think their focus and their scope is and abuse so I think the funding uh or with no oversight uh is what the Focus was and that was what was presented on manheim's behalf um because that plays into what supposedly grush reported which led to his reprisals which led to his ICI complaint so to me that's probably what was discussed and then probably had access to the things that grush stated that's if you guys notice like the representatives all kind of said different things like you had Luna talking about interdimensional beings you had burlson talking about you know what he was suggesting about you know religion and and how that plays a part you had B said well it's not about Little Green Men and tell talk flying saucers it's about you know the funding to programs that have been researching something that hasn't that we've been told uh is not a thing since 1947 so you have all these different people say different things talk about some other stuff after here would say they saw gush's statements they had more access to what he turned in per the complaint and then uh you know they went into the funding of uh special access programs and and that was the scope of the IC investigation that's I think it was vague enough for everyone to apply their own worldview to it is kind of what I got to because there was a whole bunch of different reactions that's an interesting take Jeremy you things that's really bugging me though here is because a lot of people put so much weight on what a senator or a congressman says just because they're a senator or a congressman but their biggest accomplishment in life is being able to convince the electorate that they're worthy of holding a position and to elect them because they've promised them something or they've been less shitty than the next option these people are no different than the shoe salesman down the corner or the Barista that's giving you your coffee every morning they're not special they're not super educated and they don't have any huge difference in world viw than the remainder part of the population their primary contribution I guess you could say is their ability to understand what the people are thinking and say what they want to hear so keeping that in mind we always have to be very cognizant that as Senator and a congressman their very first and foremost priority for the most part is their job security so whatever the the the flavor of the day happens to be that's how they're going to talk about things that's how they're going to respond to things and just because they were in a skiff and told information doesn't predicate the fact that they're going to be able to tell that information so they're going to word it in a way that is vague enough to appeal to all sides of the people that are going to vote for them to maintain their next paycheck y because it is election season this year yep that's why Eric uh Weinstein's uh point is very valid go ahead Ashton sorry I was gonna say that that's the feeling I got too where even like uh you know representative Burleson like maybe he is doing these podcasts because you know he thinks oh well this will give me more exposure as well to this issue and and get more information out there and if if he is then come on hard truths uh Congressman uh come on my podcast but just uh but to be honest with you though like I think that what you said is huge is that they're just normal people right and I can tell from Congressman buris where he's like oh okay he understands this idea of quantum entanglement and he's kind of at where I was at honestly like a couple years ago where I was going down the quantum entanglement stuff going wow yeah there is something more to our universe right and that's what I liked about listening to what he thought there because I said oh well you know take it a few steps further and where does that lead you as well with Brett I feel like he's a little bit more advanced on it maybe a little bit more read in on it on what there is that's going out there you know some of his comments were it's not about aliens it's not about crash retrievals this is about the budget and the money that's being you know withheld from us as well so well I totally agree with you in the sense that some of them for sure are kind of just latching on from a popularity perspective they're not anymore int you know knowledgeable than the general public is there definitely are a few that have been kind of seeing this and the ones who' have been really involved with it no you know a little bit more than we do probably not much more for for anybody to have definitive proof of a a special Access program existing that is designed to uh retrieve non-human intelligence created materials or biologics or or whatever a senator or a congressman should be demanding definitive proof of that and that proof should come from copies of the program security classification guide maybe the program Charter the budget and resource allocation plans or the audit and compliance reports if they don't have that then all they're doing is regurgitating what they were told not what they were given so you know we we've got to hold our representatives to a higher standard and force them to demand better evidence quick question my own ignorance on this is can they actually get that stuff is that even stuff that or is that just classified degree where even Congress can't see it I'm not sure it is classified to a level that most congressmen cannot get however comma there are also waivers for just about everything and with the need to know provisions and things like that the original classification Authority has the ability to declassify or provide access to certain individuals based on a need to know and it would be a difficult but you know it may take years but for a contingency of senators and congressmen to consistently push for the exact same things could uh uh suffice for that need to know aspect it it probably wouldn't but it could and like I said the original classification Authority could provide them access to that information through a uh singular declassification system seems a little unlikely to me honestly I mean if you're going to need to know stuff I think that's where Congress starts getting left in the dark but I'd like to know more about that in general all there it sorry yeah just talking about the the clearances for members of Congress I think there's a lot of confusion and maybe I have some questions around it too um members of Congress don't have security clearances like uh like uh government employees do they don't have the background checks they automatically gain access by being elected by the people con constitutionally so it's a constitutional power but they have a need to know so it seems like only if you're on the committee that has a need to know would you be given access to information that's relevant to what you're legislating but all their staff have to have uh clearances like standard clearances so I'm wondering if a member of Congress can get cut out from information because their staff doesn't have the necessary clearances is that true well it's partially true and partially not once you're elected as a senator or representative you have a modified security well I call it a modified security clearance it's called a public trust clearance and it's not the same as a secret or a top secret or a tssci it's just legitimately called a public trust clearance now once you get on a committee one of the qualifying factors to get on the committee is that you have to be able to obtain the relevant clearance so if you are a person that is unable to obtain thetive comp compartmentalized I don't have a TSC I have going be on that I don't have any compartmental example the chair of the house uh Senate intelligence oversight committee would have a tssci clearance which would be predicate I mean he would have to have that prior to assuming his position I don't know if that's true though I'm confused because I looked this up I was confused doesn't seem like they even have any clearances whatsoever be surprised I've taken a clearance and there's like this huge thing you fill out related to it they go through it's like 60 Pages called equip and this whole background check that they do with you you do a drug test everything related to it and I I don't know one way or another but I would be curious to know whether or not they really go through that process well if if somebody during this the spaces couldn't Google I'm mobile and sitting in my car but somebody just Google Congressional public trust clearance and clear it up yeah maybe while that's happening a good segue into kind of the the next topic right so a lot of that stuff was talking about gush's testimony uh and also just a quick reminder follow Skyfire news to stay up to date on all things UFO um and then after this happened it seemed like there was a lot of grush news and honestly I think we might save the dark journalist Mel and stuff for later because he's streaming right now and I think he's gonna drop more but there was this Black Vault release right where basically Black Vault foiled a document from gush's icig investigation and I believe what 2021 maybe or 2022 um and basically there was a statement there where part of it was blacked out and uh the part that everyone's talking about it says he stated that he has been studying uaps for 15 years and that he serves as the N liaison to the UAP task force and this was kind of a a trip up for a lot of people right um because grush had previously stated on Tucker Carlson and on Joe Rogan that he was really unaware of this until the 2017 article like uh he didn't really know much about anything UFOs so this was kind of a huge red flag so I guess maybe we could just talk about this first and then his reply but what did you guys think when uh this kind of dropped I like the reaction of it the reaction to this news from the community was interesting um I didn't when I say I like it I just mean like I thought it was uh surprising really but the um statements itself I mean is it a how long he's been interested in it 15 years or do you think how important do you think this is this debate this fact check I mean all these little lie like people lie about little things right what are other little things they're lying about when do they add up to like big things you know yeah Chris and we're dealing with a very interesting topic too yeah sorry go ahead Chris so I I would like to weigh in on this uh because uh it's one of the very few things I claim uh that I I actually correlated million people and made a post about it and that's what took off and obviously through Mike I can never say his name Mike con Angelo or whatever uh Ross colart messaged him with a statement from grush from that post uh so what happened was uh there was a interview with David grush uh conducted by the dod IG uh I think it was reporting on um UAP reporting I think there's also slides where they suggested Arrow or whatever office whatever that was and in the questions in the interview uh why this is such a big deal and I they don't have to this is an issue SEC you know for a field that wants like credibility and transparency then so yeah I did go through the exact thing I have to you had to have a sponsor as well I had a sponsor that when uh came out and he was doing his podcast platforms on Joe Rogan he stated on Joe Rogan that UFOs weren't even on his radar until the 2017 New York's time New York Times article mine's definitely topet about you know who's this Lando guy and everything like that so we know from multiple platforms that he has stated he never had topic should be obvious before 2017 he said that now when you know when you say things public versus what you say behind closed doors there's an Integrity issue if it differs so when when you look at that foyer response and it's an interview with grush in 2021 um and it states and and and it's already you know it states you know this person you know and it has in quotations defin CLE the UAP phenomenon for 15 years so that mislead oh really automatically if you follow if you've been following grush since he's come out there should have been a red flag because we know that his perception to boost his credibility in the public on platforms was he he basically said oh I'm not I wasn't a UFO guy I didn't research the topic it wasn't even on my radar but then behind closed doors with the dod I'm G change my streaming set up so my camer now I don't like how it's straight I made that post and then the rebuttal from it was a statement from grush per cold heart stating that sure I'm going to do some investigating IG got it wrong quality my production my counted his time uh as a Cadet uh in school as part of that time well my rebuttal to that would be any outside I think it's only the Air Force Academy I could be wrong with this but outside the Air Force Academy if you're a Cadet at a in a jrc college program that service is not counted towards your uniform military service time and uh so like so for example if you do 20 years in the military to get your pension you can't say well I'm only going to do 16 years and you guys got to count my four years as a Cadet uh because that doesn't happen that won't that doesn't work that doesn't count towards that you have to do a full 20 years after you do the four years because you do the four years at the at the JC college program to become an officer that's how you get commissioned as an officer when you come in and real quick Chris uh he didn't even say that they messed up he said he may have messed up I'll just read the last part of his statement because this is uh pretty interesting he said the interview reports that I've been studying UAP for 15 years I have not and may have misconstrued my total time in uniform service Cadet plus commission officer at the time so he's saying I may have misconstrued which is actually funny at our little launch party they're they're all getting mad at us like oh you called G liar you called GES liar and then he like comes out and basically says I I lied right may have misconstrued sure maybe lies is like the hardest version of that but it's also kind of like not telling what was the truth of the fact okay so let's do the let's do the math here this was in 2021 like you take the four years out of that and let's say okay let's count that LE 11 years 2021 minus difference what does that give us it gives us 2010 way before he stated in 2017 so it still doesn't that's irrelevant it doesn't make sense so what happened was Rush officially got caught in a lie and people are like well it's not real it's not a big deal you know he's been found credible by soand so and and politicians okay great but you guys want transparency you guys want honesty hesty you got a guy that's went around bolting his credibility saying you know what I wasn't even a UFO guy but now it turns out he was so lies matter when it comes to credibility and you not being transparent about what you say to the public versus what you say behind closed doors uh in in in government settings that H that's an Integrity issue totally and to gush's credit though he didn't disparage anyone's mother when he got caught in a lie handled it gracefully uh but he still said I may have misconstrued Arthur do you have any thoughts well my opinion is that yes he did lie uh he got caught uh and I think this feeds into this whole idea that he's kind of being controlled behind the scenes kind of used as a puppet for some other you know people like melon and others yeah I guess I could have I'm sure they you know rehearsed him being interviewed I me the most the most basic question is when did you first get into UFOs I mean they knew who was going to be asked that and this is kind of like what they did with the 2017 article right they kind of like they weren't upfront with what the article was really about right it they didn't he's a remote viewer but like this is stuff he's never been into this stuff too but he was actually remote viewing in Afghanistan in 200 really split in hairs here right yeah they tried to Brand themselves of the scientific you know uh part of ufology but they're the most far out uh woooo people ever you know they're they're Over the Top If you finally like get into their cult and find out what they truly believe uh it's totally ridiculous and uh yeah it's just a managed you know bull craap thing and I it was really disappointing but it honestly wasn't surprising yeah it was kind of disappointing and not surprising and also it makes me think of and I'm not saying this is happening but I just my mind goes there are religions where it's like you're allowed to lie for like the religion you know what I mean I'm not saying that's happening but uh interesting thoughts Ashton yeah I mean just to play Devil's afate I feel like we're kind of uh maybe splitting hairs or um I forget the other Turner phrase here had a couple martinis here but just kind of uh holding him to a little bit too high of a standard you know in terms of okay he maybe misrepresented or like what it sounds like to me is that they took his total military time and they got that got equated to the time amount of time he's on UFOs all this stuff doesn't really matter right it feels like a little bit of a reach where it's like okay it doesn't mean that what he said to Cong is true or untrue you know I think that at the end of the day we need to be able to verify that information my complaints with grush and this isn't really a knock on him I've been honest that or my opinion is that I think he's telling the truth at least about what he knows and what he's been told but is that he's got an NDA so people that have ndas can't say everything that they want to say because otherwise they're going to go to jail um and that's what we really need from the UFO disclosure movement is somebody to break their NDA and just tell us the truth but then the problem becomes like we're hearing right now now is that it then doesn't become about what they're saying it becomes whether or not we can believe what they're saying right and this is the ultimate issue this is the the problem we have is then we have to have this hard evidence hard proof and what is hard proof I would ask the people in this chat for you all especially my Skeptics out there what is your bar for hard proof what would David grush have to show us for us to believe let's just I'll take alien bodies would we have to wield those out I think even if we wield the alien bodies out people would say they're fake but that's just my opinion what do you guys think they already did they already did Wheel out the alien in Mexico they did right exactly me the cat's still out on the alien mummies from NASA the science hasn't caught up yet and that makes sense because it took like a really long time I like alien the out of the Skeleton thing because I think that took like 10 years you know and if you go look at the peer review journal articles about it's very um I don't want to say um obvious but like it's a genetic it's it's a very rare unque genetic anomaly that was found and the half I Want Some More Scary Stories to come out or whatever the half of the genan sample I don't think the momies were necessarily fake I I don't know they said like oh it's I don't think they've been proven fake in my we don't know if it's alien it might be alien just a lot of disinformation dising was it was coming from a degraded sample so they couldn't even get DNA to look at and that's totally different seems unlikely to be get DNA thousand years like that is not alien we don't know maybe it is alien there's no more good stories yet anyway so it's a whole cluster f with all that stuff but like we don't know like people say the different things about the nas mummies all the time so they did Wheel out mummies of aliens they did show us two bodies and nobody nothing happened nobody cared it was totally fake that's because that's because Ryan Graves was there and he was embarrassed about what he got asked to be a part of he even stated like that he said I'm pretty sure and I'm gonna paraphrase something along the lines of this does nothing but set back the UFO Community uh because those arees I played with plaster in art class in high school soon as I saw that I was like that's plaster like there's like eight like six different mummies and so because yeah they're not plaster they're not plaster and Chris and they have had that fig for sure but there are other mummies that's it's still out that's just how you preserve them right they've had people say like oh no these are definitively organisms these are plaster some of them that they've looked at and and some of them that's the problem when you you believe what people tell you versus what the fact this is what is wrong with the world in general is that we believe oh what did what did what did Ryan Graves say what the hell does the matter Ryan gra say just some dude who's invited to come along had nothing to do with the mummies even if uh it comes up that they're real No One's Gonna believe it EXA believe it I think it'll take like 20 years to seep in it would take it would take the public 20 years to be like oh those were alien bodies whoa you could have the president of the United States like you know confirming to the country look this is real these are from these this star Galaxy and immediately people would be like this what are they trying to cover up why are they coming out with this now they must be doing something else are they trying to start another War somewhere like no one would believe it and that's evident in every time I love guys uh viral about the UFO Community lately it's grush if you go into comments of every one of those posts especially on Twitter you'll see everybody talking about all right so this is a distraction from what everybody they like nobody hardly believes and you could I mean it'll take and maybe a sprinkled in there but mostly everybody saying this is a distraction something going on across the world want to have something glowing in the backgound blah blah blah maybe I'll make a four orb sign can somebody give me a or sign we right a hurricane will hit you know if you go and look at the comments online people are like oh the government harp harp created that hurricane because they're trying to distract you because they're doing something somewhere else like even with weather design me one of these or like you know when there's a a gang fight juveniles in a big city and all of a sudden we got aliens running away from a mall because aliens like to shop at malls I guess I don't know they weren't just aliens s to 10 foot aliens thank you they seem pretty big and they were shadowy they moved throughout the Shadows of the of the ground it was a very strange Story by the way uh one of the witnesses claimed that on January is only two days away is going to have a big reveal with the seven to 10 fo so um he's been hyping it up on his Twitter apparently that this news break is gonna happen on his YouTube channel so uh we'll see if he follows through good is it the same guy that kid that uh made the claim from the meteorite Fallen that there was the eight to 10 foot alien in his backyard multicolor no no no but I don't Chris you don't believe that Las Vegas story hell no even even James Fox himself came out and said it's probably a hoax after being who put the video cameras up who put the video cameras up Chris uh what video stuff about it too though if you guys go to Miami aliens.com about like a day before all of that went down there was a cryptocurrency like nft site that was launched um not saying one thing or another but like I did find a tweet like people who were using hashtag Miami Miami aliens way before the media storm happened I don't know who knows it's so weird that that trended can I explain how this happened and this is just from my experience on Tik Tok why would I need I posted a video one time uh because there was a UFO video that went viral um near where I live uh that near a army basee I went out because I was I was eating lunch and there was a military helicopter flying extremely low circling around my neighborhood which is extremely weird I've lived here five years I've never seen it I've seen them pass over big is but it was circling it made about five circles around my neighborhood in very low um so all I did was post it and I said all I said was it's really weird this is happening when I'm five minutes away from this video and I and I and I tied in the other video and what it was about and would you know that that that video alone got over a million views in like two days and the what and the theories and the wild I mean it just spread like wildfire it was insane so that and and I guarantee you if you trace the Miami aliens thing it all came from Tik Tok because the [ __ ] like that spreads like wildfire on there there and that's how people they'll start they'll start clipping the video and they add in their their own socalled experience or they The hoax what they think that they were there like there is no quick quick question Chris did you did you pull up a track uh flight tracker or whatever to see if it was not sure are you talking about my my thing or the Miami thing no the helicopter that flew over your house uh so no this is before I found out what flight radar was about or existence uh so no I didn't uh I I've had helicopters 00 too much 99.9% of the time whatever I see in the sky it's on there but there's been a few times where there's nothing on there there's nothing flying my house but I clearly see a helicopter or I clearly see a plane well not everything uh okay so there's a misconception there not everything is going to be reported on that um and there's reasons for that I kind of looked into it and there was a guy on I've seen the D specialized in that and he said uh that you especially with military flights you're not going to see all of them pop up uh for a variety of reasons but the majority of things because I looked there was a helicopter crash down in Alabama I think it was I don't know if y'all remember that it was last year kind of fell out of the sky couple people died there was a big investigation and it was yeah I think it was Alabama so I was tracking it on flight radar and there was a big thing about it on Tik Tok and so uh and you'll see like there was a thing where it didn't show up huge um so you kind of dive into it not everything's going to show up on flight radar or those types of apps um so people tend to speculate at that point and they'll say well maybe it's because of this or maybe it's because of this and then once that gets out on Tik Tok oh my my God it just spreads like wildfire it's crazy yeah well that might be a great segue to uh the next points um seems like a lot of grush activity right sorry and then Eric Weinstein had some interesting statements and remember few years ago he had said that he was almost being brought in on like the inside group right but then it kind of just kept on being a game of like um we're going to tell you this this date and then that date comes and they're like actually never mind 30 inches could be good we're tell you that on this date and it would just keep happening so this week he said I have no idea as in zero what is meant by interdimensional beings despite a PhD in the relevant subject area I've been looking at this for four years or so and it is all total garbage to my ears anyone have any thoughts on it uh you were muffled for most of that who made the statement I mean I know but could you say it again yeah so it's Eric Weinstein and he says I have no idea as in zero what is meant by interdimensional beings despite a PhD in the relevant subject area I've been looking at this for four or so four or so years and it is total garbage to my ears and this is I think in response to everyone kind of talking about interdimensional beings because of uh gush's hey Ashley yeah dude I think he's made fake definitely documentary like the idea of extemporal dimensionsal Dimensions how many people he knows think in in these different dimensions like to answer your question Ashley that's the big issue with the debunkers in general right it's they're the ones who are believing and what they want to believe in right they don't they don't really put themselves in the same of scrutiny as the big problem so uh so to kind of go in on that so he actually responded to one of my posts where I retweeted that uh so you have to go on he actually made a couple other tweets yeah what they did this plan is pretty gnarly man he states that in the scope of interdimensional beings we've never seen vide like but if you want to talk about other um more relevant explanations to I think that topic what's the explanation for this CED other theories and things that I'm not I am definitely not um educated on I don't repeat it but maybe uh I know I've got the Tweet saved they F all this 12 beings and he said he even approached grush uh Eric Davis talked brush Eric Davis and not but he talked to Travis Taylor nether one of had the answers for him so doesn't he have a quote reced that like the day after he talking to Eric Davis and how big Butler he said Eric said to Big Butter I recanted and deleted my post like the next day you're one of the only people you and how and me are like the only once we couldn't find the cloud images in the Torrance that's when I said WR yes that was so funny his delivery on that was so funny when that happened we pulled two different torent from the old website images don't exis being like dude okay finally some brains on the team all right well here's the deal here's what's happening I what's going on here that's Eric's that's Eric's the camera all the time what is going on here what is like where are the why do you think can't see said there's no what's people's argument why I can't see in the mix but yeah speaking of grush you don't even know where the camera is how can you say so two UF people there's no adults in the mix that's a pretty strong statement yeah I have people on Reddit they're like the most insane people they just make a bunch of fake stuff this can't be possible this can't be possible even though they have literally no first to me the funny part is they're the ones who argue that right because they're the ones that argue that we are putting up conjecture with our 14 pages of evidence but literally all of the debunk comments are are conjecture all of them are they don't have any hard evidence whatsoever it's all conjecture 100% because there's nobody who's come forward and given us the source files that's why we have the source files as a requirement right then to me that says that you think that grush is uh his um approach on this or his belief on this is also garbage um the plan with the magnets is to cook the bismi and then make it float we were showing there's some experiments out there so I'll I'll pull the magnet up hold on bring light to the topic basically that's paraphrasing but the tweets on there uh so you know so I had to edit it obviously because he's not going to slam dunk on him this is a neodium magnet it's extremely powerful and it might be too heavy I I've been feeling it's heavy it's like actually heavy and I might have got one that's too big but the plan is to try to make this to float we'll see it may be too heavy we'll see I think it's just a a very nice way of saying uh no offense guys but you're wrong this doesn't make sense from what I know from what I study here are the actual list of theories that if it did fall under that this is what it would be considered not interdimensional beings that's kind of what I got from it maybe but to say no adult in my opinion but that's kind of a great segue too Tupa reporting for Skyfire news was able to talk to congressman about the kind of Angel interdimensional thing right so something that Eric they should be helping kind of thing and here's they should be helping but they don't right so that goes to show the dishonesty hey guys great great show I'm glad you guys are doing this this is really great um I have a question uh I found your statements uh about the potential for this to be Angelic or like the biblical description of what would be like a messenger from God or whatever um I'm curious like in the in the information you gathered from was there anything um that kind of was implied about that like the the interdimensional nature of the phenomenon I think gush has commented on before but I'm curious was there anything that like LED you down that road yeah as well the moment that I read his report prior to the public hearing this not a top secet report basically it's what he read in the hearing um and he and he used he mentioned the term extradimensional uh it it really intrigued me because I think that here I think that what he has founds the position that he has found it fits my biblical world and I'm not saying this is what most that all Christians believe but I think that I think that we live this is my belief we live in a plane of existence that is just one plane of a much more deeper for existence and that uh that obviously outside of our our existence in the way that that he described as a holographic model and and I'll tell you why why like I think it's been validated through science why it's not just this is not just it's more than just a theory um I think that quantum entanglement points in the direction of this because because if you understand how that works you've got two particles who are entangled you send one Photon to the other end of the Galaxy and then you make a change to to the one the other one and it's instant and it instantaneously changes the attributes of the other without having anything sent in between to me it defies conventional SpaceTime understanding great job Tupa and it's important to know you led that question with like your information from grush right so we're hearing these Congress get these behind the door briefings and then they came out saying stuff like this and that was a great it's actually kind of funny that was an expansion right on the question that uh that UFO podcast or the statement K made on that UFO podcast you're able to get him to go more in depth with that theory and he was saying some pretty interesting things yeah was that your interview or was that that UFO podcast interview I've got one over there over here found out there was a AMA going on on you even put them like six in apart you can feel it's super what what are their I always forget what the name of their thing is called as yeah they were having on and that UFO podcast stuff went down Congress that they were interviewing about the same topic basically pretty interesting yep they didn't want me to use are Petty as hell for that and I love it that's what's up that's what's up I love it I mean and it was really interesting his answer too like it it was way better we got way better by the way after my little Twitter video at that UFO podcast those guys didn't even respond they're like ignoring me it's like not cool bro like what yeah I know right they they'll figure it out I don't know maybe you know what I mean maybe they don't want the smoke who knows who knows but at least we were able to get our own video our own clip and get a little bit more in depth of an answer for that exact question which I think is one of the most intriguing Parts about this that debate between is this you know so-called spiritual or aetheric or you non-physical or extra-dimensional or are these alien creatures who evolved either on Earth and left or are tucked away in some crypto you know Shadow biome or they evolved another planet and we're so interesting to them they flew all the way over here to cut up a cows I I don't I don't really think there's a scenario in which um we find out that there's a superior uh race of being right uh that don't get turned into God right um as of right now like humans are pretty much God to the rest of the animals on the planet right so if uh if it gets revealed in the future that there is you know another species that are far Technical and uh Superior to us like it's religion is is going to happen automatically I would say what did um Russell BR say like he humans are a species who worships like that's just part of it's part of our uh DNA and then the idea of like what do you worship and the presence of an alien is one option but do you guys ever and this is a little off topic but I do get the feeling that they're kind of um propping up AI to possibly be part of that solution as well or occupy that space for a lot of people who were more technically minded I mean even Gary Nolan himself right when talking to Lex fredman and explaining about how why he believes this phenomenon has been around since you know the beginning of time or been around for a long long long time at the very least and produced religions and ideas right he said like you know we used to believe in God's the forest and we believed in religion and we don't believe in religion anymore now we believe in technology so they're showing up as technology um and uh yeah Gary Nolan is a Stanford scientist at the very least it shows that what they're being told on the other side of those closed doors is like crazy stuff right not crazy but like out there outside of the normal scope of their reality you know if it's true or I think it's clear that like they're being told some pretty pretty interesting things yeah I've learned to not uh prejudge people anyone have any thoughts on that before we kind of close up with the Kirk Patrick article that dropped today I would just like to talk about about you know ballet how a lot of this goes back to ballet where alternative hypothesis to flying saucers like um yeah I being something you in our Collective Consciousness or interd loud uh getting called a grifter is a write a passage it's basically like getting called a conspiracy theorists beings and they've said that they're from other planets there's there's a lot of material that suggests that yes there's stars and with planets and they have biospheres and there's light that exists on those biospheres and they're curious and they explore and I think it's not an either or it could be both you know interdimensional and extraterrestrial and it's hard to probably distinguish between the two because Advanced extraterrestrials would have amazing technology that would look like magic um so I I don't even think it really matters it's just something other it's it's alien I think alien is a perfectly perfectly good uh term that kind of incorporates everything I think it includes interdimensional I don't like the I don't like the term because well never mind I I've given up on what I was about to say go ahead now that was just that was my my thoughts I just you know don't reinvent the wheel I don't think extraterrestrials should be thrown out I think it's probably the leading hypothesis in my opinion you think the leading that's interesting I think it's the uh if I think they're close right if I had to say in the race right they're neck and neck but but I do believe like the uh crypto or Shadow biosphere or other worldly kind of nature of the phenomenon kind of makes a lot more sense given the fact and information we know the scope of its influence goes beyond physical you know like Landing marks from its landing gear and uh scars from abductees it goes into Consciousness right it goes into something a little bit deeper and we can't really ignore that as much as we'd like to I'm a nuts and bolts guy too but we can't really separate these things and we're finding this more and more to be the case especially with people like Chris bledo not to digress into that case or anything but still something's going on um so like also I think it's statistic ially less likely that a being evolved on another planet and came here but if that was the case that has so much that that has a lot of implications and if the phenomenon isn't that then it kind of expands the idea of what it is to be a person or what it is you know what it is to be alive on earth right you know like we have these questions about our existence if we find out that you know it expands out into the cosmos or into this weird UFO phenomena like what is that if it's part of us or part of another like part of Earth for instance then it expands our idea about who we are ourselves versus like how interesting we are to other people slow down but I don't know I think it's a good debate uh go ahead Chris why is it whoa go ahead Keem I I was just gonna say why is it as a child it was so easy to understand the concept of guardian angel but as an adult it's so hard to to also understand that why no that's fact dude you know like that's what Eric burles seemed to be like listen like I you know I can't speak for all Christians or anything but from my understanding of these words and this definition this is what it is um and there's a lot of people he's not alone he's not alone and you know WEA who's a professor of religious studies um at the University of South Carolina I think careful you need to wrot a couple books about the American Cosmic Book is like a really interesting blending right within like scientific method of the phenomena and like historical records of people having these strange things happen and the Catholic church has like this really indepth uh Archive of all of these individuals all of these occurrences and she found that they were almost identical to Modern UFO experience or stories which is a strange strange fact but one people should explore you haven't read that book you definitely should go ahead Chris all right I just want to say one last thing uh because I really got to get off here and spend time with my wife uh because between this and Lou reviews episode I did uh I've been on this been like four or five hours going um so I know a lot of people in here doesn't it really doesn't matter if it's enthusiasm or if it's uh skeptical um but I'm going to pitch something and I think people uh this ties into Kirk Patrick's uh article so he mentions a tip and ultimately we know or most of us know that follow the subject knows that ATP was nicknamed for a that's melted bismo though well if all of this circulates back to that that's what I want to do then the real whistleblower we have one in the community we legitimately have that whistleblower exact who has been a part of allat program who was feed who you know boots on the ground at Skinwalker Ranch who worked at Area 51 who has the credentials that backs it plus the experience and not only that military veteran who potentially was experimented on unknowingly on the property while working at alsap he's right here in this community and he's been popping in and out for I don't know how long he he comes in space as he goes he has a legitimate case and he's been to DC twice uh potentially maybe going another time we'll see but Chris Bartel is the true whistleblower that nobody in here is is I don't know if you ever heard of him or you just maybe don't take what he says seriously but he has all of the documents he has all of the evidence all of the pictures to his like phrase he is the true whistleblower he is the true whistleblower because let's think about it Patrick if k Patrick has has drawn a line back to alsap a tip like he did in that article if you want to get alsap on the stand who also receiv received $22 million on a whim from Senator see why want it uh to investigate you know at first it was like Paranormal type of occurrences and then they tried a tip to try to access you know and make it a special Access program you know um so if you have that you have a guy who doesn't need a skiff he can tell you the things that he went through he's got a security clearance he is the vetted perfectly vetted source that has has experienced everything on that ranch in that program of alsap and he could stand right there in front of Congress sworn under oath tell you everything he experienced that the evidence to support that he was he was a unknowingly particip in a study on effects of that ranch on the human body and he could do it right there in front of everybody and there would not be any like Yellow Tape awesome Chris before because you're about to leave and I was really wanting your input on this Kirk Patrick article could you give us your thoughts on that real quick but yeah I'm All About Chris Bartel yeah so that's where I was getting to is so you know Kirk Patrick has tied it to oap and I don't know you know we I've dissected gush's resumee I think it's people need to do themselves a favor and go look at Kirk Patrick's resum it's online it's it's in more of a biography form but it also lists his Awards and decorations who one of them was through the nro and the national Recon I love grush states that he had all these students oh it is 500 Degrees yeah he is the he's the real deal and what the UFO Community just did was push one of the best scientific Minds that could have helped eliminate the BS and hopefully actually get down to maybe there is something out there and they pushed him out bism is pretty weird what he what he talked about in that article um is Prett sketch 's a fireplace uh and you know with all the stuff that you talking about hard for me to recollect everything but his article was a slam dunk on grush and other whistleblowers uh and he talks about how he invited all of them to come and speak multiple times to him and they didn't do that now you could speculate and you're probably going to hear people say well it's a fly trap or you know there's a reason why they didn't go well they say the other way they say that grush actually reached out to arrow and Kirk Patrick and he was like ghosted basically never replied to so it's really weird that this is like a thingy K Patrick has also come back and said well no that's not true I've reached out multiple times so it's a matter of who are you really going to believe right I mean and we don't have the details we don't have the access to the email chains nothing like that so we don't really know but they thought it was the heaviest element wow that stands out to me and if you look at the background and The credibility and the history uh and accolades to is like as rare as versus what's posted publicly about grush and the fact that I called him out on the LIE and basically he did come out and formally say yeah I mean yeah so I I did lie about that that's because he made a statement and it came out I honestly think that Kirk Patrick was the real deal and this was his final blow right on the eve of the skiff meeting or right after the skiff meeting and this is him saying look I did everything I could my team was well prepared as it could be and and we're up and running the best that we could in the at time that we were given how crazy is uh this is the truth of the things and he even talked about unauthorized disclosure of of those special access programs and things that have leaked out that that happens that still be awesome they suggest is you know related to UAP and he went into that's not true so I mean there's a lot in there and it just I think what it boils down to is who are you going to believe are you going to believe grush in that camp are you going to be believe Kirk Patrick who quite honestly there's not a blemish on his record that you can find so it's just it's kind of left at that and the dude is a legitimate scientist his his background is unreal so that's where I'll leave it but Chris Bartel the true whistleblower thank you Chris than for sharing his story I think it's a good one we're going to you know dive into that for real and just to wrap out this K Patrick talk and close out uh some of the things he said was that it's like a small group of people all interconnected that are kind of pushing this narrative to Congress and whatnot and they're not being scientific he also kind of called out um Skinwalker Ranch and said uh that like a lot of money was wasted he he kind of harped in on the tax pair dollars being wasted angle oh um he he harped in on Robert Bigalow too who owned the ranch uh during the oap years or beginning of at least and he basically kind of said that there was a a social media frenzy of secondhand and thirdhand retelling of the same unverifiable claims so he kind of did come out on all fronts against like this whole and he also said there's no evidence of aliens after his year investigation that there's absolutely no evidence welcome Grant you have any thoughts how are you doing R how are you my friend it's good to good to be with you thanks for giving me a chance to um yeah I like few things I just wanted to provide some of my comments on um k following the uh the the article that he his oped that he put out I me I think there was a quote in completely Bo laughable and his quote was verbatim I can assure you as its former director that Aro is unwaveringly committed to harnessing Science and Technology to bring unprecedented Clarity to these fascinating important and stubborn Mysteries and to do so with maximum transparency well you know forgive my skepticism but Arrow complete lack of any communication strategy and Community engagement to date uh does not really instill a whole lot of confidence another million UFO researchers public trust and the case and point of that is if you look atag Aster feed it only has two posts both dating back to you July of 2022 I'm not going to take swipes out them here so you know if AR is would be totally justified in doing so your 37,000 plus followers with only two post mosts since mid 2022 imagine what audience it could attract and the the public trust that it could help rebuild uh if it had some frequent and informative engagement with the general public on on social so I think you know despite what's been said thus far I think Dr katrick has failed miserably uh under you know Aro has failed miserably under his leadership as well as that of the former control of the the purse Ronald to build public trust it hasn't lived up to its expectation that we have and its aspiration of I think catrick works for being transparent and and and that was 're gon late hopefully this this space will close swinging at grush then we'll go over a couple quick things and then we'll close out ourselves but we got a few things to go over thank you grant it's good to get the like believer side and uh he did say I think at one of the hearings that the most things was anomalous which is pretty weird um art and then Ashton well I'm kind of torn with this catrick um article because a lot of what he says is true you know it's verifiably true and and I do have a lot of issues with the whole you know ttsa crew and bit like the Skinwalker Ranch crew um but he I don't believe him I think he's a he's a disinformation agent he's he's like running a Project Blue Book 2. o i i 100% think that he's a a Believer I think he he's a big giant UFO nerd uh I think he's probably been studying UFOs probably for decades um so I think he's intentionally deceptive and I think uh he's just uh taking some shots at some easy targets uh over uh on what do you think his motivation Dr motivation is for that that Cas he's he's fighting back because he got like attacks viciously by this group by the the hate Group by the UFO hate group like literally the same UFO hate group we talk about he at NASA's first ever hearing on UFOs SE scen from the UFO community and he also brought it up like a month and a half ago so he talked what was that event he brought up Center CIA he brought that up and he also defended his drone I don't want them to under to go uh us the had to end attacks on the family online you know me does that answer your question I don't understand like what is the point of attacking this guy like what's the objective what I because he didn't give he didn't give them the answers they wanted they thought they thought when Kirk Patrick when Arrow was was put in office they thought Patrick was gonna be the big reveal we were gonna have disclosure I remember because that's when I first came on and I remember saying I don't expect from this first hearing we're only like three people showed up y'all remember that uh that hearing I was like don't expect it very much from this and he from that hearing they even have Patrick I don't really he got attacked constantly because this guy didn't bring disclosure he actually stated on record that to to what he has found right now from what he's investigated there is no there's no proof of anything extraterrestrial and that started a whirlwind of all kinds of stuff that came out and attacking him and all of a sudden people were criticizing him about his job and how to they're tell basically telling a guy how to do his job it was ridiculous that's where it all started and it's all because he said as of right now there's nothing that points to extraterrestrial real quick I have that clip Chris just we could hear him talk about the same stuff we talk about um a senior technical Advisory Group that must you must have stood up that is helping advise so there're just questions about that group what what is it made up CNN plus comb that academic and scientific Community you just referenced so it's a strategic technical Advisory Group they don't like to be called senior and they actually do work they're the review board yeah I mean resigned is just a fancy word for fired the anal they do multiple layers of they come talk to you and they say it's time for you to resign right we don't how you do it with Saving Face they call it in Asia Saving Face is a huge thing in the west we don't care as much very specific people because Asia though it's all about saving face that the the harassment and yeah if it's US tech deped murum Crow gets right who cares if it's aliens that's not what we're trying to get at where's the secret technology right um I'm not going to subject my team to that I have some of the best professionals on the face of the planet working some of this um but I'm not going to to subject them or their families to that kind of harassment that is making our job a lot harder I've had people tried to dig up uh information on my life my child where I live uh make threats this is why the guy told me not to reveal who he was that's not called for and what is the claim I talk I'm probably the only person in space because you haven't said what they want you to say about the sources of these anomalous stings that's a that's a great way of saying it but I I would put it a different way right I told everybody as when we stood up I would follow the data wherever it L that means you have to follow the data and the evidence where it leads if you don't like where it leads don't call me a liar and then come after everything's not a scop guys so I also justl lie to Congress King for harass prison for that and the Hayden Center liked that post so and the Hayden Center is like a think tank for I want to say his name is Michael hayen who was a former head of the CIA so a lot of these guys they make little like weird thing tins after they leave and they do Consulting and they actually like that pose um so yeah and I got that I got that from his article too where he kind of start stayed like he was kind of like wide-eyed and kind of excited but by the time the year was done he was just kind of like bitter and like screw all of this and Ashton actually oh I was say Ashton's the only one in this room who actually submitted something to Arrow I believe right hell yeah yeah that's what I was going to comment on I think I might be the only person who's talked to Arrow as well so I talked to I don't think I've mentioned this before but it a lieutenant colonel they asked me not to say their name probably because of what we just heard on that uh little clip there right where these people are getting docks and harassed and what have you in general um another thing that I'll say in my discussion with them is that they pretty much repeated what we had heard there from KT Patrick kir Patrick which they had not seen anything that would lead to any type of I I don't know the way they phrase it if they said it was anomalous or aliens or whatever but I think the wording does matter there um but they also told me as well this is something I haven't mentioned before is that we had a just conversation in general we talked for like an hour and a half and I asked about the February shootdowns and they said that oh those were definitely balloons and I that made me very skeptical of their analysis in general because I'm really skeptical it made the first one was a balloon the Chinese one for sure the other ones I don't know what was going on with that it was really sketchy the way they hid that um what I would say in general for people is that you either believe that we are at the Pinnacle of human civilization technology right now or you believe that there's more yet to be discovered and if there's more yet to be discovered then what I would ask you is or what I would propose to you is that we split the atom and dropped the nuke in the 40s that was 80 years ago a whole lifetime have we been doing nothing since then is that still the Pinnacle of technology today or is it possible that the military-- industrial complex does have advanced technology that we're not aware of whether or not that comes from UFOs or that we've discovered ourselves doesn't really matter matter at the end of the day right so to me I think that the big question is is there actually anomalous technology that is unknown to the public that's being kept hidden I think that that's the way we should frame it to AO in order to get the answers we want if we say hey we need to know if there's aliens or not they're going to just deny it right and even if there were aliens they're not going to be they're not going to get shown that information so then they're of course they'll be able to say stuff like yes we don't have any evidence of it right so we've got to be very careful about the questions we asked to get the responses that we want whether or not you think kac's a liar or not I'll just tell you my opinion is I think that he's got what I like to call CNN brain which is that he just believes that whatever the TV has said that's all the science that we can know is possible so it's probably really easy to lie to somebody like that where you just don't show them the information that would prove it to be wrong the LA very last thing I would say is this is that I don't really care who believes me or not in terms of this but um you know from what I've been told by Mo people I trust the most in this world that this technology is real in terms of advanced technology that could even allow a UFO to float to go from one part in the solar system to another in a very high rate of speed and that the people in the CIA even the people that are in the know that will go on TV will just straight up lie whether I don't know what their motivations are lying we could speculate but they will just straight up lie and what that means is that they're going to lie to people like Sean kpatrick the AO Etc because they have their own motivation and their own kind of intentions I would just like to say that I don't think um K Kurt Patrick um is honest at all I think uh with some of the people that have gone to the r office they've said that um they're very dismissive basically saying that we already know everything that you're trying to tell us um and I think everyone in the r office is probably uo believer and they're just managing the narrative I think that's their main job uh I think they've probably been spread in at least kpatrick has probably been read in the secret UFO projects to a degree and he's part of the cover up that's just my opinion though yeah we do have what Robert salace and um Bob Jacobs some of these older witnesses that some people have problems with their stories sure right but uh around the nuclear weapon stuff and they both said they went in and they both kind of had bad feelings about the whole saying that they weren't being taken seriously which I kind of get cuz K Patrick's like this stuff so old what am I supposed to do with this it's a story of like from 60 years ago now but I can see the Divide here how we dropped the mic I hope the next person is had a couple martinis job I personally think was good for the job it's I do I do that there's something non here compartmentalized right harping in on the interdimensional thing who knows and be like oh I technically said the truth then but I don't know Grant what you thinking and if um Ashton I was just going to ask you did Arrow issue you with a memorandum for record following your submission they said that they were making uh a record for and they were going to email me I haven't got a response so I hope I wasn't getting trolled by them but they told me a couple other things that kind of verified the story um they said that they were historian they said that um the person who I talked to was actually the person that set up the website interestingly enough uh and they said the government takes a long time and there may not have even been a recording mechanism for it based on what I saw from there but I'm supposed to get an email where I can add stuff to it for that memorandum oh one other thing that they wanted to help uh uh kind of clear the air on is that you don't have to sign an NDA when you go to Arrow they told me that as well that there's not that there's this idea out there that you have to sign an NDA when you give something to them but apparently that's not true and they said we could talk I could talk about any of my discussion with them as long as I just didn't mention the um lieutenant colonel's name because of I think what we were talking about any other questions so would you be in a position would you be in a position to post your MFR to to ex redacting obviously your personal information once you receive that it's executed yeah maybe if they say it's okay I I posted the email that I got back right after there was a confirmation I thought it was pretty weird they called me after hours but apparently they worked late cool that's interesting I was wondering like how it actually happened so they called you you submit something online they called you like at night and tell you it was like 7:00 my time and uh I'm in Central Time Zone so it was like or 6:30 or something like that my time so 7:30 their time they how do you confirm that that's real like you're talking to the right people it's hard right just from the context the fact that they emailed me back on my real email account that I used to sign up the fact that they knew that I was one of the first people to submit a requ record request um the fact that the person mentioned that they were the one who set up the website they gave me their name and their Rank and I asked twice cuz I was like how do how the hell do I confirm this right like especially after getting scammed I like how do I really confirm this but and I don't know just the conversation was definitely the real person right it was a real lieutenant colonel was their rank they gave me their title was like some historian thing to collect your record but yeah I mean and they knew a lot of information about arrow in general and the the look the funniest part too they were like this is the part where I say that kind of verified it for me is when I said that they said that okay you can post any or you can mention any of this publicly and I was going to ask and they had mentioned ahead of time and they also gave me like a legal Spiel as well about it and they said well I told them that like I have a lot of followers now on Twitter from this from the case that I've disclosing they're like well you might not want to post this because it might hurt your brand Rel because people don't think highly of Arrow and I'm like okay well that pretty much confirms they're legit and I just laughed like dude I don't care about my brand but still waiting on a response then huh so what grade would you give Arrow as someone who's gone through some of it if if that was legit then I I would give them good grades in general like a seven or an eight because I think they're honest people that's the feel that I got from the person I talked to but like I mentioned I I didn't I feel like they were necessarily being given the full story from the information that they get access to but we'll see I mean because what I told them was that I have verifiable information stuff that you can go check like if they can pull up stuff that's classified or top secret or whatever R things they are I said go figure out out if this is what an mqc one great eagle with a aerial surveillance camera under the wing looks like right if that's what that video looks like and they have that rainbow capability like that's a huge piece of evidence and like if this is the sentient program they said oh we might be able to go to the nro and figure that out and confirm that if this is the sentient program cbers that's what that video looks like right now I don't know how they would confirm it back to me but then I also said like go talk to Edward C Lyn and figure out if this is what he was convicted of right because they do have security clearances so apparently they might have access to that I even said go find General Dunford and I was kind of joking like good luck trying to get him if he's like board of directors of lockie Martin but they were like yeah we might be able to talk to him you know it's possible so um yeah just in general to answer keemstar's question there's the conversation in general just I don't think it was an hour and a half and then we went to a lot of in-depth stuff like that it'd be really hard for somebody to be faking all that in general but yeah I never know interesting interesting stuff um um I would say even if you don't have a lot of trust in the um you know in in a program like Arrow why are people not using it my volume's backed out you know like find out find out what the result is you know it's just it seems like a no-brainer exactly keemstar and that's why it's like people have criticized me a lot for like going to the FBI going to Arrow people were saying oh they're not going to do anything it's like but what what else I mean that's what it's there for we at least have to go through it and see it play out right and then to keemstar's point like keemstar likes content well here's content right like we'll find out if it turns out it's [ __ ] then we can criticize them for not doing their jobs right and if it turns out that they do well then okay maybe they can be redeemed whatever I don't care yeah it's like what you told uh what Timothy Abino I think is the name is like people don't like to get dirty right they don't like to get down and like submit I mean John Green's one he does the foyes but a lot of Grant too I think started doing foyes good for you grant but a lot of people don't even do that right they just like to uh what is it armchair criticize and whatnot 100% I've done like eight or nine Foos now it's really easy guys there's like websites where you can just submit them some of the agencies make you like mail or not mail something but like print something out scan it which kind of sucks but and honestly all of mine have basically been rejected so you know it's hard to get real information but you know I'm learning there's strategies to it too so definitely the thing to take away is like use all the government resources that are out there even if you don't trust them you can still glean information based on the responses or non-responses you get back very cool well that was kind of it for the week coming up there's the grop Ed which it almost kind of seems like all this stuff I think it was supposed to come out this week but maybe he pushed it back because he was kind of taking a lot of heat this week and then what else is there there's something else coming up oh uh dark journalist which we touched on a little bit but I think tonight he's going over more of his interactions with grush and this whole alleged uh melon kind of being the controller Handler of who he could talk to people were saying the reverse of it is well yeah why would we not go to them yeah people like to talk to and not talk to other people but it people will kind of only go on podcast and shows that don't really ask super hard questions hey hey red before you wrap up did you see um Travis Taylor and cook Patrick go back and forth at it on on LinkedIn oh I think I actually did see a little bit of that um we're working on a on an image for that uh but yeah what are your thoughts on that could you maybe see if theyve respond right uh I haven't seen um I haven't seen links to the actual uh LinkedIn comments but one of the things that um Travis Taylor um made a claim on is that you know there's no um you know doing research there's no funding for it he Travis Taylor Made a claim that it's really only Enigma labs and this IQ uh oranization have received IC DOD funding but what's interesting is um there was a tweet earlier today where so Brian Bender in January of 2023 he reported that Enigma afraid yeah I'm afraid to accident reveal this guy's name and um he he responded to a tweet that I was it it was 11 days ago putting out there today um Dan Dan Warren kind of weird he has responded and the dod had a partnership and uh so uh Alejandra roas chimed in and for those that don't know um Al Alejandra roas is the head of research and content at Enigma labs and he confirmed in response to Brian Brian bendett said I don't think they have gotten they would a fake this I don't think they've gotten any funding to speak of um email address here that from responded nothing has changed since your prior reporting no Government funding so Al Alejandra roas is refuting what Travis Travis Taylor claiming that enigma's got DOD funding this was right after I talked interesting Tupa was almost hired at Enigma he almost got that DOD or not DOD money that uh sends chills down my spine uh the uh there it is I mean I don't know where their money from a military mailx that those like debates right between roas right the fact of where the money's coming from that could be like a technicality they could argue that always I'm like no the money landed here first and then it like went to you know this other thing so it wasn't directly from the government um I because Enigma Labs right what they are and what a lot of other these companies are they're they are apps and companies that want to set up apps that uh Network people for UFO sighting is how it's is how it's portrayed um but there implications behind that when you incorporate the data and the the data from the very particular individuals who are somewhat involved even tertiarily like to Enigma labs what they think is that people who see the phenomenon might be having something different happen in their minds like in their head in their brain they've even studied this people like Gary Nolan right so like the idea of basically having a bunch of experiencers or a Bas let's say a population of 100,00 people and uh certain people are constantly popping up like oh I see something I see something I see something I honestly think as a researcher the grainy cell phone video that's going to come from that is less important than finding out who is seeing the phenomenon and when they're seeing the phenomenon because that's going to be more valuable information in terms of science because I mean I mean cell phones are getting better and cameras getting better argue that all day but at the end of the day what you're seeing is these give me a yet to see um you know a series or a slew of very clear uh like cell phone video you know we look at you see the full moon you put you point your phone at it and all of a sudden looks like this tiny little speck on your phone you're like okay maybe it's not as epic as I thought it right so how valuable is that video um versus how valuable is it to know who seeing the phenomenon that's that's one of my uh not concerns but just seems like a a a fact that they'll be able to collect that data as well and I'm waiting for them to talk about that can can I raise a question since I cover I'm a journalist art LaVine yeah welcome art art covered a lot of this stuff he's covered uh Bigalow oap kind of the money the ttsa money he's also one of the first uh mainstream Publications to talk about the UFO hate group harassment Alando Colt how's it going art good and I'm glad Ashton if I'm getting the name is submitting his claims to the um to the arrow to he's to be congratulated for that and I hope hope they give his claim serious attention although uh at I'm not going to debate the issue with as so my my question is from what I can tell uh since the New York Times piece has emerged not a single uh prominent influencer or claimant on social media or elsewhere that includes elisondo melon um you know gush anybody you can think of who shaped debate and got a lot of press not one of them has faced skeptical repli tough-minded but openminded questioning from any legitimate mainstream journalist or member of Congress is can and and I do not count softball questions from Jeremy Corbell or Ross card as legitimate tough-minded IAL is there any example that I I'm literally this is both a rhetorical point but also a literal question because if you notice periodically Stephen Green Street will you know have a film of him being hung up on by you know David grush or you know he did get a chance to speak to Brandon fugle and then was kind of frozen so in that case he did get to ask questions and Mick West is periodically interviewed very politely some some people like Dietrich and so on on his show but in general I haven't seen the sort of questions and issues that I've uh uh gathered Jason Kito has gathered Patrick is now gone publicly stepen Green Street none of those questions get to be directly asked or answered and in my own articles they basically generally evaded the question they not respond back to the email no with exception of the corruption issue several just gave flat out denials in terms of the SEC and what they were looking at so I'm sorry to be so long-winded are there examples were these highly profiled well po have actually submitted themselves to normal mainstream tough-minded skeptical questioning by mainstream journalists or legislators no and not even other like popular debunkers and that's what we need you know we need you know like conversations like I said earlier are you weren't here uh between you know Green Street and Corbell like imagine those two battling out uh UFO jellyfish on a show together you know don't right okay and then the other thing is I keep posting and I use as my little ironic hashtag I stand with Carl SE Sagan and I post his uh baloney debunking kit periodically as a reply and I posted it here it's very it's like eight tools that skeptical thinking can be used to apply to how present evidence like you don't necessarily accept Authority um so at this point you guys are you guys are what what's very interesting about a lot of your points of view is your from what I can tell from the public profiles of some of the people in this group you are open to the very real possibility and or our experiencers of UFO and alien issues but you're also want to see some standards of evidence and are very critical of the cult like uh hate Mania Etc that infects the UFO Community is that a fair assessment of where you guys are yes for me yes okay well that's good to know I mean I think I try to be open I try to be open-minded and one of the just to let you know one of the counter claims is you know to the mick west of this world and so on is go well one prove that I'm wrong and that you know prove that I don't have prove that it doesn't exist but the other point of view is even if they're dismissive now I absolutely believe that if Michael Shermer Mick West and you know Stephen cambian but I'm talking people with great science credentials like Mick in terms of research Mick isn't the scientist but if any of these topflight Skeptics actually there was hard physical evidence and you know direct live beings and things that would be investigated by multiple teams of academic researchers independent with no Financial ties so that means Gary no no Shady academics working with real academics affiliated with major institutions independent teams Gathering and studying this earthshaking material has no credential putting their Mater their findings out in peer reviewed I do think that you know Mick West and Michael Shermer would say okay you got me the evidence is here for years we're saying where's the evidence now it's here I'm changing my mind it's a little too loud I I just have to be closer to the m that is my view about how these kind of rigorous skeptic response to good solid evidence that meet normal scientific standards what's your take on that well I'll jump in because I respectfully disagree I don't think and so this is what I would ask is that what is that standard if we if President Biden were to come out and say that aliens are real if he were to roll alen out you know that's still not going to meet that level of evidence that level of standard my personal opinion is that we have to learn the science ourselves that's the only way in my opinion is that we have to prove the science ourselves if we are going to say that there are uaps that can float and that they can go distances at the speed of light then we need able to prove how that science Works what I would say to the people that are interested in doing that is learn electrical engineering okay well see but I I you know okay that's where I think if you read books like Thomas cun structure of Scientific Revolution where he coined the phrase paradigm shift so I my feeling it let's say your first example Biden says are Al change mind now I'm gonna bring out a corpse or a living alien being we can't understand it you don't think that he would submit those aliens to you know both internal government scientist agencies and other academics to be invited to do it and see that that's I do think if you as a as a claimant for certain phenomena would read the the you know the baloney detection kit and just try to keep those standards in mind be very helpful and also from your point of view um you know um I'm having is this Ashton talking or who's talking this is Ashton yeah yeah Aston so so here's my question is in in your case just so I would know and the people listening are you you seem to have you know a while ago admitted okay it's probably a hoax or this is the guy who hoaxed it but now do you you're back to saying that it's still more likely real than not your origal claims talking you talking about my case the MH 371 yeah your case yeah yeah yeah no nobody has come come forward to collect the $150,000 Bounty nobody has produced any files related to this nobody has even tried to claim the $150,000 so well gentlemen gentlemen gentlemen excuse me excuse me if I could for I gotta go I just want to this ashon thank you Ash okay uh I gotta go this is going to end relatively soon so I just want to thank everyone for coming uh we're probably going to do this like every Friday we're going to do go through the news of what happened in the last week go through every story um you know have prominent people on stage to give their opinions have debunkers have Believers have everyone you know so we can have a a real discussion about this that's how it should be done that's how everything else that's done that that's taken serious is that there's like debate around it so just want to thank everyone if you're not following Sky fire news make sure you do I do see uh Darren Reed down in the listeners what's up Darren uh got a w on that um UFO podcast yesterday got milk uh dude today that's two W's in Dazzle woke guy please get a w you can't take L's every day I'm gonna try to shoot for a week straight on y'all but uh all right thanks guys sweet heck yeah Keem great time that's kind of basically oh I don't know maybe Ashton wants to respond to where he is at currently and then we're pretty much wrapped up or came a little late maybe next time we get here sooner but um yeah yeah no I I know that a lot of people honestly I just I don't care what people think about the videos anymore like I'm I'm actually like I just mentioned uh learning the science myself and learning electrical engineering I think that the people that I respect the most are the ones that put the work in so if I could uh just kind of respond in terms of Devil's Advocate I would say that people like Mick West don't have any credentials he literally has no credentials whatsoever he's not a scientist he has no scientific background whatsoever he's not interested in learning the science I think that people on either side skeptic or the side of the Believers That's the Way Forward right it shouldn't be a matter of I'm going to believe this person or that person right I think it should be a matter of coming to your own investigation your own conclusion for anyone who is interested in mh3 70 case you can look at my profile pinned to the top of my Pro profile 14 pages of evidence that are categorized in terms of the video evidence the evidence for the fire scenario it's not just about the woo and the science it's also about practicality of what might have happened so you can take a look all right well I think we'll wrap up there guys because we've been kind of going for quite a minute here closing thoughts but yeah it was fun for space a lot of good news covered I feel like people listening in will be caught up on the past week and a half or so hey red uh and and T I just want to chime in and say Hey you know congrats to you guys and keemstar for for launching Skyfire I mean I think you know it's so easy to get lost in the noise on on just just over the not trying to convince people who don't want to be convinced I just don't care yeah kudos to you guys for for the launch and and looking forward to following your curated content and these sort of uh engaging spaces going forward heck yeah thank you grant and and congrats on LA Channel last year too you been streaming it's good to have like good people it means a lot it means a lot and guys just so you guys know for the listeners uh tonight uh for this for this space we selected we hand selected the panel uh we wanted to keep the conversation flowing we wanted to get through the news and we wanted to get these guys' opinion because you know a lot of these guys have been in the field for a long time they're contributors people like I'm brand new and then they're critical thinkers too right new thinkers critical thinkers Believers Skeptics we need everybody in the mix um like kings that you know we sharpen uh our focus on the topic wherever that leads us and uh that's what we're covering here if you guys want to follow more just make sure you're following Skyfire news we're putting out media content um all regarding what's happening right now uh that was a we debrief we're going to try to do that maybe maybe every Friday you know what I mean this really really good I don't care they uh hopefully we'll see you guys the next to all the speakers all the listeners uh until next time guys follow Sky fire news thanks guys okay CH Ching CH Ching okay guys uh let's see what are we going to go through real quick um okay three quick things so there was an airplane situation they're saying that this airplane may have had a hole in it airplane engine hole now why did I not report this okay hole found in Boeing aircraft after emergency Landing well that's a video can we get a story can we get a story here we go now why did I not report this because it's a softball size hole so if you guys know about physics then you know a softball size hole is about this big that's really really small this is not a UAP crashing through the the engine unless we think of okay the wave function collapses down still pretty unlikely also the other thing I want to mention is that if something like this this size here were to crash through the wing it probably would leave or through the engine it probably would leave a softball size hole so I don't know what it is but yeah now to that point yes we now know what a flaming aircraft would look like now keep in mind this is very low altitude very low altitude it was still taking off right so this plane here is still taking off why is this in a different language my god do we have to sit through this no no just no no no no no no no um I also want to keep in mind a couple things people have been trying to say that um people try to say oh well this doesn't this rule it out this doesn't it doesn't really do do much of either but it does show us what a fire of an engine looks like which is pretty clear you're seeing the fire of an engine here and you're seeing explosions from this engine or something shooting out of it now um our fire is inside the cargo bay which which is lined to prevent fire from escaping so very different situation but it does give us some idea of perspective you know this is also probably only a few thousand feet this was right after takeoff so the glowing orange is going to be because the hon fire extinguishing gas is seeping out through the plane probably due to being depressurized or potentially damaged from this explosion and fire that might have depressurized the plane okay this is actually really lowquality version of the video as well so it's not going to be like this one I somebody tried to argue with me today too that somehow an engine fire is less severe than a cargo bay fire it's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard I don't know why people make up stuff like this literally your engines on fire is like the worst possible thing that can happen it's like how you stay a loft right just because you might be able to Glide down doesn't make it safer than a a fire in the cargo bay cargo bays are actually built to contain the fires engine going down is one of your vital pieces of equipment to keep the plane afloat so um so that's why I didn't really report on the softball thing I just didn't think it was super relevant although it probably would have got some views if there's more of an update on terms of what caused it then I may do an update on that okay um there's this weird Reddit post here as well from forchan okay this is pretty bizarre I'm going to read it open letter to the Curious your government conceals vast amounts of information from you the public while simultaneously actively monitoring every aspect of your lives as a Defector from the CIA I am risking everything as a human everything a human being values by making this open report to freeth thinkers of the world a small price to pay for easing my conscience I'm writing to you from a leaky store room in Diego Garcia three short blocks from here in a large Warehouse stripped of its paint and panels and hollowed out of its original upholstery mechanic uh mechanics is Flight MH370 the so-called missing flight from Malaysian Airlines what I'm about to disclose involves the creators of the Georgia Guidestones military experiments technology that could create the world kept in the dark or change the world kept in the dark and perhaps the most important simple message of of Hope or fear one of the greater riddles of Life answered straight up no chaser we are not alone in the universe wow okay why why is this pretty credible well the date says November 13th 2014 so this is 6 months after the plane goes missing people still really have no idea what's going on people had proposed the Diego Garcia scenario the Philip wood picture had showed up a week after the plane went missing so that stuff had already been out there the thing why it's compelling is down here the Georgia guide stones throws me off I I forget if there what the mystery is around the Georgia guid stones but military experiments sure no no problem right technology that could change the world that's kept in the dark absolutely and perhaps most importantly the simple message of Hope or fear we are not alone in the universe I think that what they're saying there is we've got technology that we reverse engineered and we figured it out a fire in the hall is not the same as a fire in the cargo bay Richard I don't need to research it I already have I already embarrassed one person today on it just Google Dr edel MH370 fire cargo bay you can listen you can read it for yourself I definitely don't want my plane to have an engine on fire for three hours I don't think it's going to lead to any good scenarios I'd much rather have it be a contained cargo bay that's built to withstand temperatures of up to 1900 degrees fhe that's just me though okay um the GU Stones were a doomsday message the dude that made it was racist H okay well that's interesting so this is an interesting one we may post this may post this in the morning does seem like a bit of a LARP The Leaky store room in Diego Garcia is the weirdest part why would you write this from The Leaky storeo in Diego Garcia wouldn't you just write this from your home when you got back what I would urge everybody in the chat is to not succumb to your preconceived notions of what you've been told is true or not true about anything investigate it for yourself I think that the biggest criticism I would have of somebody like Lou reviews from the space we just had is that he succumbs to his own narratives that he thinks are true but doesn't hold his own beliefs to the same level of scrutinies he does that things that are not he says oh well you know uh that Bob Lazar is a terrible person like what come on man that's just judgments that's not any factual evidence like what are the actual facts versus the opinions right what are the actual facts the same way as we say oh somebody was a racist or eugenicist or whatever like what are the actual facts what are the things they strictly believe right that would be my what I think we should interpret 1980 oh it's in it's in Arabic or is it in multiple languages yeah yeah I mean somebody destroyed this because they were nut jobs right and they were believing CNN brain related stuff these are pretty cool huh Sanskrit huh oh so yeah Sanskrit hieroglyphics classic Greek and Babylonian that's neat I don't think we should read too much in the guide stones though okay but that's that's a fun thing have a good night Amanda I got to go to sleep too in here a minute what time is it oh it's super late oh boy it's been uh it's been a long long stream yeah calling Lazar a psychopath really and like whatever liar all the trying to all this horrible stuff or whatever is bizarre dude yeah people do not lose your engines every day Richard Jesus man it's the CNN brain talking Richard again Richard you're doing the literal thing I'm telling you not to do man work on facts instead of opinions facts man find the facts work with facts right so many people out there just base everything they believe off of opinions you're not basing your things on facts tell us what the facts are right when you figure out the facts then you'll get to the your answers and you'll avoid a uh opinion based research okay okay last thing uh luon memes okay we're going to start we got new luon memes here as well and again I think that people need to hold themselves to their own standards again Richard I don't care what you are what are the facts man no one cares about your pedigree what are the facts address the facts come up with the facts opinions don't matter I have opinions from people who are phds and experts at fires burning right have you ever had a lithium ion battery fire burn in your cargo bay no you haven't you probably haven't had an engine fire either so what your opinion is just doesn't matter man like that's the problem right so I can search MH370 Dr edel fire scenario right cargo fire literal expert literal PhD expert at fires okay okay expert on the science manufacturing of lithium ion batteries reviews the whole thing you want to read it have a good one man have a good one I don't I don't need your your things here you can read it you find the evidence you find the facts man you find the facts my man you're the one who wants to be convinced I don't want people to try to convince me I want people to present the facts and I want them to do so in a non-biased manner that's what we're trying to break down so this is the luon right here right we got the luon conspiracy the the lanon followers right obviously a play on kinon because it's the same type of people right that follow it they follow their leader right they follow whatever their leader believes in them for Lando I have nothing against him he's the one that blocked me man he's the one that's following racists and and uh homophobic people like uh king milk fart right right I don't know why he's following terrible people like king milk fart but that's the first question anyone should ask Lu oando why are you following a racist and a homophobic loser and terrible toxic person who's been banned off of Twitter multiple times luon folks don't be a luon guys okay anyway guys I'm going to sleep you guys have a good one and uh yeah thank you guys very much for following tonight appreciate it did I dox him no his name is Joseph Marinello every it's public information everybody's known that it's been all out there on Twitter he's attacked so many people so yeah king milk farts uh Joseph Marinello have a good one