MH370x - Debrief on Miami Aliens, Tim Pool, then Investigate Earth's Chat and I talk 1/7/24

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# MH370x - Debrief on Miami Aliens, Tim Pool, then Investigate Earth's Chat and I talk 1/7/24 malan 370 contact 120 breaking news tonight A Malaysia Airlines flight with 239 people on board including four Americans has gone missing [Music] he I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita Vishnu is trying to persuade the prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says now I am become death the destroyer of worlds hey what's up everybody how's it going hey everybody oh boy lots of messages already in the chat uh yeah we're gonna so hope everybody had a good few days with no stream I know you guys probably are Jones in for a little four orbs stream here um sorry I'm not in my Sunday finest here right now uh just cuz I'm jet lagged as heck right now but what's up everybody uh I'm not going to do all individual shout outs today but everybody who's here and watching thank you guys for jumping back um give me one second I'm just going to post I'm going to post this on Twitter uh real quick um okay okay this should be good that work yeah it worked okay sweet man yeah having Dave was a pretty sweet win is Miami okay H yeah I don't know if Miami made it uh yeah I don't think we're going to do a debrief I'll talk about all the stuff that's gone down over the last few days since we haven't been uh you know online doing stuff uh so I just wanted to oh man get back into the swing of things here damn Ash's back from the world tour yeah I did fly man I flew twice scary stuff man on the flight back uh on the back here now as well it was there was a lot of turbulence and I was just going okay this is my time this is where I go I'm glad I didn't see that picture of the uh oh is there already 1600 subscri subscribers wow yeah I'm glad I didn't see that picture of the Boeing plane um with the w with the door busted out before I got on that plane I would have been freaked out man that that is scary dude did you guys see that I'm going to pull that up real quick oh my God that is just scary as heck that's like the last thing I want to see uh before I get on an airplane I didn't even I don't know how I didn't know about that uh so where was it look at this you guys see this this was the craziest thing ever look at this door is the whole door is gone can you imagine being in that row or anywhere near this door when it just pops out and the whole plane de pressurizes so this is interesting though with the MH370 case right like if this happened and people weren't getting knocked unconscious immediately then like you're not going to die right away right that's idea that they just like knocked everybody unconscious in a few minutes there's no chance no chance at all nobody passed out or anything from this like they would have had to decrease elevation like immediately unless this happened like while the plane was taking off but presumably it was at cruising altitude at 35,000 ft supposedly people will suffer from hypoxia within like a minute or two so unless everybody unless all those oxygen masks worked then the plane's not going to depressurize that fast and that's a whole door game getting knocked out that's a whole door getting knocked out there so this was actually really interesting with respect to the case right cuz we've got look at that you can see the stars you can see the stars out there you see you guys see that see the stars man that is scary apparently they said nobody was sitting here in this spot here as well or at least if they were goodbye so uh pretty wild um yeah that uh man that's scary yeah what a view though okay yeah it is pretty ironic that I'm afraid of flying isn't it I'm like actually afraid of flying um and then so I got to meet Shane Cashman he was on the Tim pool podcast let's start with uh let's do a recap of the Miami alien situation so let me switch over here I want to give you guys just the the straight down and dirty uh where's my thing here okay full screen full screen face let's get my hair right let's get my hair right okay so Miami alien situation guys sorry people are making some comments I just want to see about the door maybe can regrade the door okay so what's the deal with the man oh hey alien girl hey how's it going and hey everybody who's in the chat uh Hey Hey Ocean see you as well oh so I did Foya um hey ocean so hey ocean sent me a DM saying that uh she talked to was it Richard dy I think right or Dodie however you say his name and that we should Foya like some call signs the problem is like I don't know if those call signs are legit or not so instead I just foed all Air Communications uh for every airplane that was in the area around like the South Indian Ocean from like a th000 miles uh over the dates of March 7th through March 9th for both the Air Force and the Navy so hopefully we'll get a response back on that um if you need uh for my two cents I I made the most abbreviated version of the story that's actually possible and it's actually currently pinned to my profile here this is as abbreviated as I can possibly get just can't get more abbreviated than this so if this is too much for somebody to read then I'm afraid that this case is just too confusing for them it's about two pages at most here it's what one how many paragraphs let's just count it up real quick you can even skip the quotes ahead of time right 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 13 paragraphs if 13 paragraphs is too much to read then you're just they're not somebody who's interested learning about MH370 that's the reality but that's as short as I can possibly make it um so if you want that um they can read this I'll probably do some type of uh like explainer video for this I just I wasn't in town so I I didn't have time to do that okay yeah so the Miami stuff why did I report on the Miami stuff I'm going to give you guys the breakdown of everything that went on with it cuz you know it's probably fake I mean I think there was always a really good chance that was fake and General but um first of all uh I was let's see it was Friday morning and Friday morning I woke up and I got a text message from one of my buddies who's not into any of this stuff at all not into you know uh aliens or UFOs or anything like that Al although he's like you know he's open-minded he's just not into it and he sent me this thing there was this story about this Miami situation right and it was from earlier that that morning like middle of the night and I had remembered seeing those cop cars and that whole situation that was going on uh a couple days earlier and I was like I already like I was looking at that I was going man that's weird like why are there so many cop cars there right and so he sends me this story about these the shadow beans or whatever the hell they were right and so I'm like huh that's interesting so I start digging around and I'm sitting there in the morning I'm taking a shower and I get out I'm looking at my phone and I find that one uh witness I didn't post the video of the witness but he's basically given that whole story about about the fat chicks running and the old people running and I was laughing I'm sitting there in the in the bathroom on the toilet just laughing reading I'm going okay I I got to post this and then I'm looking around and I see that like uh you know uh Matt Walsh and people were posting it and stuff like that so I'm like oh okay we're going to post this right like why not you know why not why not post it uh it's a fun story no matter how it played out and so I posted that I did not expect that the Miami store would get that huge like that I got over 10 million views on that post that's the most views I've ever gotten on any post almost by double the next closest one is the my letter to Congress which after kim.com retweeted us ended up getting like 6.5 million um so just to give you some perspective of how much crazy engagement that got I could never of course I could never have expected that never expected that uh and I'm sitting there and I post it and like an hour goes by and we had just like Dave and I had just gotten picked up uh by uh Brian who is uh I think I posted his picture he's the one who took his selfportrait or whatever cool guy and I'm looking I look at the post I'm like wait this got over 100,000 views I'm like wait what and that's when I realized there was some yeah that's when I realized there was something going on with like this was a viral sensation right at that point um I I'll pull the post up so you guys can see I couldn't I couldn't I still can't believe it I mean people were loving that story um so here I I'll show you guys let me switch so this was Brian he was the one who drove us around and stuff he was awesome really chill guy right away like I could tell he was into the story and we were talking about MH370 and some of the advanced technology with him and you know he wasn't laughing or joking at all about it um so Friday yeah look at this here it is so this was Friday morning I make this post right like look 7:00 a.m. 7:30 in the morning I made this post so this was like 15 minutes before they picked me up and I'm sitting there and I was like you know in the bathroom getting ready and I'm like okay I got to make a post about this this is some viral thing right and uh and I had already watched the witness thing I wouldn't have posted on unless I saw that that guy's witness video um and it gets 10 million views I'm just like I mean obviously didn't get 10 million right away but like by halfway through the day it was over a million like several million and I'm like whoo and that's when I was like okay I got to be careful here cuz like you know I you know people are going to sure try to discredit me with it whatever I don't care man I'm just I'm just out here being myself and enjoying stuff so later that day and I was actually kind of worried about how much engagement it was getting because you know of course it could be fake and what have you um somebody then sent me one of the like a still picture of one of these beans which I was skeptical of to begin with and I didn't know where it came from uh but I posted on Twitter anyway ended up deleting it because I was I was like 99% sure the picture was fake and then when I saw the the alien creature walking around it was obviously CGI that people were sharing I was like oh I'm I'm deleting that cuz I knew that was CGI for sure CU it also didn't even match what the witness was saying like not even the same kind of thing and so then I saw later that day you see here so this was what time did I post this this was like wall right after we left I think I was might still been at Tim pool's place when I posted this then I find the guy's reant video and this is the same guy his recant video and I'm like okay so it's got to be fake like I'm going to post this out here right away I thought about deleting the post but I just figured what the hell why I'm going to leave it up right um and I thought about putting this in the reply and maybe I should have put this in the reply probably would have been a smarter move honestly I don't really I'm just not that familiar with social media and what have you so I made a separate post about the recant uh saying that this guy recanted and I thought that was it right like okay um you know I even made this joke cuz Tim P was making the joke about Mitch Hedberg I don't even know I don't know if he knew it was a Mitch Hedberg joke but uh the joke goes um maybe Bigfoot is blurry that's extra scary to me and I love Mitch heer he's probably my favorite comedian Ever Rest in Peace Mitch so I made this other joke in here and you can tell I was having fun with it at this point like I wasn't taking it too seriously or anything like that yeah and I don't know how it works if you delete views like that I mean I'll be honest I'm not trying to clout Chase or you know uh you know do this for money or anything like that but yeah 10 million views sure I'll probably get like I don't know 50 bucks or something from that I'm not going to turn it down not going to turn it down plus it was a viral story it was fun man um and so yeah like I didn't I don't even know what the comment there's 2.8 th000 comments on here I did not read all these comments I didn't even look at it I my phone was blowing up beyond belief couldn't do anything about it so I made a separate post about it whatever figured it was over and then was this yesterday when was the one with the woman was this yesterday what what day is it today guys I've like I've been gone for three days I don't even know what day it is anymore um yeah so yesterday then I see the post right where uh oh yeah cuz it's up at the top now was why cuz I made the thread so yesterday I see the post then by this woman right and I'm sitting there I'm like H should I post about this like uh yeah Li Lya how I don't know how you say your name man and so I just make this joke right and you guys can see it's like right at the top because and this is I'm at this point I'm just having fun with it at this point right and so I make this joke I'm choosing to believe her because she's extremely hot beautiful people never lie I don't know if you guys know probably a lot of people probably won't get this reference but there was this um study that the news did like I want to say five or 10 years ago probably closer to 10 years ago where they would have people walk along on the street and then they would drop like all their stuff and then they would see if people would help them and they would have like ug person do it and then they would have a beautiful person do it and when the ugly person does it nobody would help them and like they would drop their stuff on the ground and every nobody would help them pick up all their stuff and then when the beautiful people did it and they did it with a man and a woman in both scenarios and and like for the in like the ugly people was like nerdy people right it was like glasses like ugly person whatever uh nobody helps them but the beautiful people like then everybody goes and like all rushing to help them so that's what I I think about that a lot especially when like I think about helping people I always think like huh I shouldn't help somebody or not help somebody just because of like how attractive they are so I was making this joke here about it and then I'm sitting there thinking I'm like you know what like H maybe there is something to this right and then what happened was I started seeing all those other um Witnesses all those other Witnesses and all these videos start coming out and I posted all of them so you look at the replies I start looking at it and I'm like what is going on like I had already seen this one because I did a podcast the night before with alien addict guys and I was telling them how it's you know the one video is just people standing side by side it's not like a super tall Bean or anything like that and this guy's video is pretty interesting you know he's talking about he's some graffiti artist or something and I still that still wasn't enough and I see these other ones and this is the one that really creeped me out this guy like I don't know man some of these still are I I mean I just don't know like these I assume these people must be lying right you get $6,000 for a million views I guarantee you you don't get $6,000 for a million views man Jay you're not living in reality dude just to let you know Jay um I think the most I got like a few hundred for having like tens of millions of views man from from uh Twitter you you guys vastly over estimate how much you get paid you don't get that much money man not at all yeah not even close dude not even close maybe less than 10 times less than that man you get like maybe 60 bucks for a million views maybe even less honestly it's it's a very low amount this is not uh this is not some lucrative thing on Twitter here that I'm doing just a heads up guys uh so anyway I see all these other videos and I'm like okay and I had already seen this cop one as well where this guy's like talking to his dad and I this one definitely seemed fake right but after you see these other ones you're like okay what's going on here so this is where I was like I I don't know what to do with all this so I just decided and oh and we had that space with the one guy right so we had this space with this mo guy and I had I deleted it cuz he didn't save the recording yeah they really think that I'm like really just making bank off this Social Media stuff huh they really do not just spoiler guys I'm not if I was I'd probably just quit my job or whatever but no I think it's funny because people like especially kids and stuff who have no idea like they think social media is this glamorous thing where people are making tons of money most of these people on social media like especially I'm I have like 75,000 followers right and that's got to be like pretty upper echelon and you could never live off of the money I make off this never it's like the amount of money I've been getting is like $300 a month for the last two months and I uh I don't really like to like talk or brag or anything like this but like I gave a bunch of people that are part of the investigation that have been helping out um just like $50 gift cards for uh Christmas and the New Year's just because I appreciated all the hard work they've been putting in you some of my admins some people that investigated a lot so um I'm definitely not making like any money off of this at all I've been giving pretty much all of it back for the most part and I'm not saying that like I'm going to continue to do that I'm just saying that you know it's this is not some kind of life-changing thing um so I posted this stuff you know I just thought okay well whatever but that mo guy something irked me about it so I deleted the space because he didn't save it and it was weird that he didn't save it yeah minus the 3,000 plus the reality too is you have to pay taxes on this money so I'm actually like probably in the hole honestly I'm probably in the hole still I just it's not about the money in general either way I just just so that people understand the reality is like I'm not I've probably made negative money off the situation if we're just being honest um with ourselves here so um so he deleted the or he didn't save the space so I make this notes and I don't know if this this actually wasn't all the notes I missed the funniest one he mentioned Pokemon and he's like oh it looked like a Lugia I was ready to just call [ __ ] right then the moment he mentioned like the Lugia Pokemon that was like okay [ __ ] hold on Lulu is having like diarrhea I might have to take her out I don't want her to poop in the house um Lulu you okay girl uh so that's not going to sound good on the stream huh um so he mentioned the Lugia stuff and I'm like oh man I'm like this is that's a weird thing to say like oh this reminds me of Pokemon uh and like so then I'm sitting there thinking like this guy's definitely full of crap but he actually he had me going where I was joking about it I was sitting there joking about it uh thinking like okay this guy's definitely full of crap right and I I pulled keemstar in I messaged keemstar I'm like keemstar get in here I need you to grill this guy like there's no way this guy's telling the truth right uh and this was this the mo guy so keemstar jumps into the space I wish we had the recording in the space man and he's kind of grilling them you know doing his keemstar thing and by the way I I love keemstar I I just love this guy I don't know why I just he and I see like I see the the world the same way he doesn't take it too seriously he doesn't really care that much about what people think of him you know for some reason I just I like people like that um hold on hold on come on girl okay you're good J I'm scared she's going to poop in the house um so he grills him but we can't get anything deep on it right and I'm asking them all kinds of questions too like we're trying to figure out uh uh you know why is there no other recordings or trying to find any holes in his story and then finally like I come up with a good question which I ask him okay what day did it happen right and he says January 3rd January 3rd I'm like wait a minute The Thing Happened on January 1st and I remember uh that I saw screenshots in Twitter of people talking about the alien narrative on January 1st and I remember being surprised because I thought it was a new narrative that only came up like on the third so that's why I was really surprised about like oh wow um you know that it's uh you know this this narrative that must have been out there so had people had plenty of time to invent stories related to it and so if we check out this moy's background too yeah this dude's definitely full of crap definitely full of crap now sorry Mo I don't believe you anymore man so when he got the wrong date and here was the thing there was a lot of people there was like 800 people on this space by the way there was like 800 people there was a lot of people on that space um and I listened to like pretty much most of it and this was the one on January 5th right where he made the post and I remember seeing this on January 5th and I was like this is full of crap but then when I saw the space run on January 6th I jumped in it cuz I was like okay I'm going to grill this guy at that point I thought it was all fake and um and so when he said the wrong day to me that was a huge uh huge red flag wrong day man he had the wrong day so and when he's posting the story on the 5th I was at the mall yesterday well the thing happened on the 1st it wasn't on January 4th it wasn't even on January 3rd so he didn't even know the right day because he hadn't even been following the story well enough so he had invented this fake story around it right like almost guaranteed and probably you know because he wanted to make a little bit of money off of it I would imagine right but he was you know in the space like he was ready he was a good liar you know he was pretty good but you know if you if you saw the beans or whatever on January 1st you're not making posts like this you know on January 4th you know you're not making posts like this you're you know you're probably talking about the beans or whatever that had happened right so um anyway uh let's see let's wrap this up um so then today finally finally someone breaks out the last post this one finally we got what we needed here this guy I don't know who he is I apologize if he wants recognition he probably should have put his name in his Tik Tok um he went through and had the scanner he actually has the scanner so the scanners and I already knew the whole story about like the power being out and the flights being stopped didn't really add up that's why you saw me never post about it cuz that always seemed like a little bit of disinformation um but it's still a fun story either way right um but then when I heard the scanner the scanner pretty much tells the true story right so I'm not going to play the whole scanner but the scanner pretty much says that it was not in the mall but in the parking lot outside they were having one of those car get together things where like all the people get together in the car and they you know sit there and talk about you know they I don't know their cars or race or whatever and then it turned out into be a fight so this started to make more sense because it does look like this mall is one of these outdoor malls that they have not necessarily indoor mall um and that's why I'm like oh I get why it's the confusion right there's probably not really cameras out there like outside in the mall or what have you and if it was just some heat of the- moment thing then it would make sense in terms of why they didn't you know record they they're not sitting there recording it or whatever and you can tell from the scanners that like there's no they're not talking about alien beans or anything like that in the [Music] scanners um nothing nothing crazy like that in general so um definitely not a situation where you know there was at least from the scanner there was nothing that would indicate that that story was true at all um so that was pretty much for me that's the death blow for it now of course right I'm not telling everybody else what to think you know if you want to think that there were Shadow aliens and attacking them mall that's totally fine um you know I don't care I I don't care at all I think I've been pretty clear about what my opinions are in terms of you know aliens and stuff like that um and we probably will do a follow-up post about ebo scientists but I'm not going to do it tonight a because I'm tired and B because I wanted to just do the recap but later this week I'm definitely going to do a rundown of the ebo scientist post because I think that just deserves a little bit more attention than it got when before it was deleted and a lot of people don't know about it I going to probably have to take my dog out here cuz I can tell she's in distress um but I'll do the Tim pool thing first and then I'll take a five minute break and take her out so Lulu lul yeah okay I got to take her out actually probably right after we do this um yeah she's having a hard time I think they fed her the wrong food or something uh so the anyway so this to me pretty much debunks it in my mind uh regards to this Miami aliens thing in general now I still think that people probably oh yeah and also tupacabra so I was in a uh uh one of these messages updates you see on the left side of stream here is uh probably from tupacabra and um and uh keemstar and uh red panda I think is in there as well and he tupacabra actually called all the uh the mall stores or whatever and they pretty much uh told him that there was it was like some kids fighting there nobody was saying anything about you know aliens or anything like that so uh I don't think that that was really a big issue so that pretty much um gets rid of that Punjabi did not do the ebo post guys he definitely didn't but if you want to believe that you're welcome to believe that Punjabi Batman did the ebo post we will do a breakdown of of uh why that's not the case oh Eric Weinstein's doing a physics thing that's interesting we might have to jump into that in a minute okay guys I have to take the dog out she's obvious she's definitely in distress right now so I'm going to come back in like five minutes uh so hang tight and then we will uh do a rundown of the uh Tim pool situation and maybe we'll jump in this Eric Weinstein um physics uh thing here as well uh you know what I'm going to go ahead and join it so you guys can listen in oh royy herberts in there too bizarre that so many of us have had no experience of us seem to have some sort of an experience okay guys I will be right back you guys listen to this make sure that you guys can hear this UFO you can okay I'll be back guys actual alien spaceships inside that program whether it's a SC the whole thing is confusing it would just help if the experienced Community when it approached the physics Community said I know this puts you in a terrible spot because without doing that nobody in in the physics Community wants to listen because who wants to tell somebody that they're crazy or that they're trying to turn a buck I don't because that's not what I believe but I don't know what to believe I'm not clever enough to be able to explain why everybody other than me seems to have seen a UF very strange thing I I completely understand where you're coming from but I think what I was trying to express was the the frustration I mean there's so many of us and and I mean this is this group that you've joined is usually one of the groups that is on the outside of it um you know we're fortunate today that lots of people have joined in but there's usually a group of about 10 of us um and and we're quite a small group um but the frustrating thing is that there are a lot of us that have got sort of responsible jobs and hold respons positions and um I mean I've I'm educated up to master's degree but not in anything um alongside G M's all medical based it has nothing to do with that I've met so many people who are so sober and so normal who report completely insane experiences many of them having only one such experience there's no pattern in their life other than you know some encounter on some random Thursday from 17 years ago mhm and and um and whatever that is I'm not pretending that that that it's all you know myar balloons and seagulls I don't know what I can't figure any story that works and the only thing that I don't want to be I don't want to happen to me is I don't want coming into one of these rooms to become pressure to accept like I just I'm dealing right now with somebody I respect in the community who's telling me basically you know to f off um because I'm not embracing what it is that they're doing and I'm barely conscious of it and and so you just have to appreciate that people want to listen and don't want to be dragged into a place where they're you know forced to yeah yeah where they're forced to adjudicate stuff where I don't I don't know how to adjudicate any of this if you told me that you know you're having a a love affair with a ghost who was born in the 1300s I'm going to be a lot more skeptical than if you saw something in the sky you know and but the fact is I probably would have been a jerk about people who saw something in the sky if you talked to me five years ago so whoever that guy is he apologizes to your community but he's no longer here you wanted to ask me one more question um do you mind if I put it to the I have got another question I'd like to ask you but do you mind if I put it to the room because there's so many people that will be desperate to ask you questions um I feel I should hand it over to somebody else um maybe you'd like to pick if you can see the hands up no I don't want I don't want any choice of mine I'm just I'm just here trying to be a a decent soul and I don't know whether I'm adding value or monopolizing your air times no you're not you're adding value and it's a real privilege to have you come in the room um you know I'm thrilled um Andrew or all R are gonna have a good question I guarantee it yes let's take those two and then I have to I have to go deal with stuff around here there you go go ahead guys go ahead man thank you I appreciate it um I'm a real big fan of what we got going on here and I'm glad you stopped in um uh Roy as well as Eric so the question is this and if you don't want to answer it I understand Roy I think I've asked you one question before about uh let's call it the sport model that's what Bob Lazar calls it yeah Andrew Andrew Andrew um should be these are questions for Eric at this moment I'm remain in the room okay so these are because he's a busy man and he's got to go shortly so yeah um if you have a question for Eric if not I do I do kind of but it's for his benefit and it involves you because I've been here for the whole conversation so I'm trying to put myself in Eric's place and I think I can do that because let's assume I'm an average American I am let's assume I don't quite follow the highle physics conversation that you guys just had I'd love to I admire it but what I want to understand when I open up Douglas Adams hitchhiker's guide and he says the ships hovered there they hung there in the air in the same way that bricks don't let's say Roy you were sitting with Steven coar say and he asked you how is it that the UFO is able to hover now the question I really have is just could you explain that to a lay person to an entire TV audience to America to the world in a way that they could understand and I I love the physics but I want to understand why it is that it's okay and yes this is a good thing and since you know I'm trying to respect this Eric you're a skeptic so a lot of us are experiencers we've been there we've done that we understand we may not have all the answers but we wanton to know how the UFOs work I want to what just happened if you've got any ideas of how they work Eric and perhaps Andrew would like to know well I I don't know how they work because I don't know if they exist if they ex I don't know if they exist look it's just one or two moves Mak things very much easier so let's try if they exist how would they work do you have any guess about that because if you ask me how I answer it then it creates me the reputation for me the reputational problem why are you assuming a phenomenon which one's isn't to exist like assuming that uh you have Fons with Bose Einstein they work exist so you can't do that he just say both there was such a thing that was hanging there and you know then I would have guesses I would guess that basically the thing that you think of as SpaceTime that you think of as ruled by the Einstein field equations is not what is warping SpaceTime like the construct that you thought was SpaceTime get in this and the equations that you thought governed it are not actually right there's a cheaper way of warping what you thought was SpaceTime that is not the Einstein field equations and then you would say Okay I I think I get it you're telling me that the entire Earth has this incredibly weak gravitational field which is kind of a mismatch because the Earth is a very large structure by our mesoscale standards and yet it barely warps space and time at all evidenced by the fact that you can climb stairs with just your legs so then you'd say okay Mak sense imagine that it's something small like a ship had an equal ability to warp this thing because it knew physics that the Earth was not using right so that's sort of the kind of thing that I would start to say now somebody always if you do that somebody will always say no no no but practically if I was building a ship how would I build it well you know that's getting ahead of yourselves if you were Rutherford trying to explain the neutron in in 1911 uh when you guessed that it might exist uh you could sort of generally guess that you could shoot neutrons at very heavy nuclei that were sort of trying to come apart as it were because you had a bunch of protons packed tightly together which all were repelling and there was something called the strong force which was keeping them back and then you can say I don't know the details of it but theoretically if you had some way of sending in a probe tapping these things so that they busted apart uh you could get something like a chain reaction and that that could be an arbitrarily powerful thing it wouldn't be the plans for an atomic bomb mind you but it would be the general principle by which that worked and that required about 41 years for that to turn into the hbomb so if you're asking me I would say that you would imagine that there was a successor to einsteinian SpaceTime and a successor to the Einstein field equations and that it would be cheaper to bend what you had previously called SpaceTime uh using this enhanced physics than it is for the earth to clumsily bend space and time using only the old Theory and that two counteracting bendings of SpaceTime could result in a fairly inert spaceship Harry have you ever seen a set of lectures on YouTube by The seti Institute called alien mathematics where they um explore how um hypothetically someone from somewhere else with a different idea sorry guys I'm just enjoying this right now and I mean different ways of working things out could see things differently to us um it's no it's it's a set of lectures by The seti Institute um it's called alien mathematics and it's on YouTube and I have friends at that Institute I will check it out thank you yeah it's very interesting yes Eric makes a very good point in the the Eric is within you know a respected member of the community and what this requires is a Maverick essentially um which we've seen in our history um to come to the poor as it were to change our thinking because every time that we do get a Maverick that's come forward in our history it's changed the way that we consider the cosmos essentially so hopefully um you know I'm the Maverick in this equation as it were and that um I don't hold any vested interest within um certain communities as were within the physics community and I don't have any they all consider me crazy okay so Eric is right on that point we haven't done the Tim pool thing yet guys I want to listen first anybody crazy at all no no no no I'm not saying that you did I'm just saying no there plenty that have called me crazy brother but I want to be very clear no no I just want to be I want to be clear that when you start trying to sort through this stuff because the most serious people in this community can all attest to the fact that we're dealing with a mountain mixed with facts inuendo disinformation misinformation rumor like it's a mess and and G and you know what I tend to believe is is that I tend to believe that general relativity and the standard model are as far as humans have conclusively figured out how to go geometry points the way forward and there may or may not be a phenomenon here because again if there's nobody here visiting us it probably means we can't leave and that would be a death Nowell so I'm certainly hopeful that something is visiting us because otherwise I think we're probably that Roy Herbert talking to terrible um there was another yes it's yeah like I I um I hope I can represent the the community with enough Justice Eric I've been a huge fan of yours for for quite a while um um I assume the portal has dropped off I don't know if you resumed it does he have any papers but in the pun is intended uh we there's there's a portal that we need you to enter back into UFO Twitter needs you here on X regardless of whether we agree with you um there there seem to be two problems um when it comes to the phenomenon one I would say is the negotiation of of Truth what what should be considered more true or less true and the the other one is a psychological I guess maybe a Nash equilibrium if if you're willing to go with that metaphor how how do you even engage with the asymmetric risk of somebody who has higher status um and they might be putting themselves at greater risk when to bring it like to you have to prove the truth and then you need to sell it and um if you if you can only do one what is this the other one doesn't exist um and so I'm asking you Eric are you would you be willing uh to at least give us your view like on on another day one of us can host the space somebody in the UFO Twitter Community would you be willing to come on and give us your perspective on on this psychological let's call it a hard problem a hard psychological problem on how do we engage with people who might be more noteworthy and have a harder physics understanding um without being self-destructive to our own cause it's a really great question um I I feel for you guys because because quite honestly I'm often in the same space myself I'm tolerated pretty well as long as I'm not saying anything very declarative it's when I start to say something um that's truly disruptive that the doors start to close and so you have to realize that it's a kind of a delicate dance where you're looking for somebody who's open-minded enough to listen and you have to try to not endanger them it's sort of like if you're a kid and you see a beautiful butterfly and you want it to put it in a jar for a few minutes to study it uh you have to not destroy the butterfly in the process um so the way I would say it is try not to think so much about status um status do is something that is kind of a I think it's people don't really understand it very well um one way of going about it in my opinion is to just bring some think of it as a pot luck and every time you bring something uh to the pot luck the person who's tasting your dish appreciates you even if your status if assume you have no status in the community but you um you call somebody's attention to something that they didn't know so for example I see Jeremy uh in the room man has an incredible wealth of historical knowledge of uh what has been going on in the world of physics and the world of sort of weird crazy physics and how those two things interact so you know um I think I told him a lot but I think he told me a lot of things too that I didn't know and a lot of them checked out so you know it immediately increases somebody's confidence why I pinb that somebody has reliable knowledge that you didn't have pin my posts um and when that person checks out what you're saying they start to realize oh I can get I can get more interesting stuff so if for example I bring up the fact that um oh do apply to you because I'm I'm actually I mean this appli to you like if we want you more in our spaces what do we need to do so one thing would be the cost of looking at other people's theor talking about about what's going on is high if done in public and people tend to be very vindictive if you don't affirm them so the the the pattern that most people don't see is uh you know you get a message Eric huge fan of your work um really appreciate you I think I've got something super interesting um let me send you the following blah blah blah blah blah and you don't want the obligation of a 97 page thing you might want to look at something cursorily to get an idea of it the person on the other hand has been hurt and burned so many times that they're defensive so they don't want to send you something that you will easily dismiss and you you begin the dance of closest approach I want something from you that is relatively short gives me an idea do you know what the existing theory is do you have a theory Beyond it are is it going to cost me to evaluate it in public where by listening to it um I find out that I'm listening to a perpetual motion machine and now I'm 20 minutes in the space is recorded and the detractors uh bless their little hearts uh turn it into you know uh the the revelation of quackery uh video you know or whatever don't do that to people what you want to do is you want to make life easy on these people you're going to have to take some risks and also know who a good candidate is going to be um I will tell you that I I have brought some of the stuff that I've learned to uh an acquaintance friend of mine neima arani Hamed at The Institute for advanced study who gives much more time to faster than light and Casmir effects and the like than most theoretical physicists and his basic perspective is yeah you can't use these things the way people want to but it's much more subtle why it doesn't work than the standard explanations that we give you know he's very open-minded but you know if you're going to mess with Nema you really have to be on your game so it helps to sort of understand how the standard communities think what is their notation what what sorts of structures do they use can you express yourself to the extent possible within their structures that's a that's a big heavy lift I'm happy to give some books or some recommendations I will say that there was a famous paper called a Gucci gilki en Hansen that occurred around 1980 which was how most of the physics Community learned about um differential geometry and bundle Theory and I would highly recommend maybe going back to that and saying is are you guys in a position to have a crash course in differential topology differential geometry Le group representations all of the indispensable things to the standard model and to a lesser extent general relativity and it would be much easier to interact with that if you also so one thing you could do which would be crazy is you could get several sympathetic physics types in here and you could try to have them conduct the in the conversation within your space because the biggest the biggest problem is that the people who don't have phds and don't have to worry about some of these reputational issues quite so much are much Freer and it's very it's a very envious situation to be in so it's not it's not like everything goes in the direction of having a PhD having a PhD can be lousy because you can't entertain things uh as much as you'd like to so that's sort of my general recommendation that you can get people in if you really think about not putting them in bad spots Eric I really appreciate you answering that question I would say I'm that everybody here you say listed as speaker and several people listed as listener are absolutely worth following and I would expect that they would take your advice to heart to deliver value first and make your engagement easy and asymmetrically low in Risk um I would love to request that you follow me back so I can send you a message and if I if it turns out I did not listen to your advice well then you can you can block me but I just want to say thank you so much for giving us so much time and stepping into the space and talking with Rory and everyone oh Rick I really appreciate it just followed you but let me just say this I plan to unfollow you don't take it personally I just wanted evidence the problem that um plan un nobody wants to be put in a bad spot by virtue of the fact that they come and they want to expose themselves to some risk and offer some help and then there's more risk and more help demanded than most people expect so let's try it out to begin with and really appreciate you guys and by the way just keep in mind that what we're all trying to do here is incredibly unpleasant because of the amount of lying disinformation grifting etc etc and you know just something I get from you guys is when I hear normal reasonable people trying to figure this out it gives me hope and uh really appreciate you all thanks for having me in and I hope I haven't taken up too much time because that's always a complaint people in the audience so you much it's been a pleasure thank you Eric thank you very much and peace and much l brother that was amazing J CHR okay okay everyone calm down okay okay Eric is a person a human being like you are okay um so I I do have to say something in in relation to what Eric had to say about what happened a 100 years ago with the discovery of quantum mechanics and the nucleus and how and the neutron in specific how to use those neutrons to um break apart nuclei and release the mass energy that contained within them um and it's very similar to what you know guys like salp the the author of those US Navy patents have put forward with his his theorem of pump Quantum vacuum you can break What's called the schwinger limit yes and that if you break that swinger limit then that might be oh they brought me up now they brought me up folks uh can't hear anything this is getting awkward uh yeah no why [Music] why why did it break not like this folks not like this folks not not like this I guess I got to leave and rejoin IDE and just throw throw [ __ ] against the wall until something um yeah but when something does stick and I have something uh you know I try to go to people like er that better you know the not to waste people like that's time with the information to try to get like the best of the best and uh it's just unfortunate that you know by the time you get to those people you're all covered in [ __ ] from your your uh journey and it's it's hard for them to they take a lot of risk to try to deal with someone like that you know what I mean so um and yeah I understand what he said about the community I I totally agree that you don't know who to trust it's it's it's hard sometimes and you don't know who's compromised and who's you know with you or against you sometimes uh but I suppose I suppose um you know if we have the right physics model and we have the right team together and people working on this it's going it's going to continue to attract the right people it already has we've already got you know we had charl bu on from NASA La last uh Apec conference and we're going to have some even better people I mean I can't I can't say I can't say that even better it's just G to keep getting better with the uh quality of the information as as we we continue to work off each other and grow off this knowledge base and and ideas and uh I think we're at a really important time in science moving uh to move all this forward so it's just uh if this all works which which I think it does and there's a lot of people in this room who who who know that it does because they say that they've experienced it firsthand and um you know I have no reason to doubt those people even though I can't use those stories and and that is evidence or unless there's scientific information or some kind of engineering knowledge that was passed on better avoid that really uh it's really just a distraction from from the goal here I think we've got Jeremy I think we've got to be much more careful in in the way that we put some of these people from these communities into these awkward positions I think Eric made that point very clear in that um you know we have a reputation that can be burned as it were um so we must be very cautious essentially I'm going to drop here in a sec from this and we'll go back and uh I've I I I I've taken you I had rough rough holidays and stuff so it's just a lot of I've had a lot of anger at the the the lack of progress and and recognition in a lot of these things but uh to know that you know some people are actually looking in paying attention is now finally is um it's kind of like all right cool yeah well GE can you guys hear that I can't even hear what he's saying who is that somebody's saying something but it's very quiet yeah just is it Jeremy were you trying to say something then or oh sorry Roy it was me um I I was just wondering if anyone could remember the name of that paper that he referenced the uh the differential paper doesn't sound like Jeremy's saying anything now no he's not um here I'm here I'm just listening uh what is it called the dark entropy paper I I think it's related to it yes essentially uh oh God is anybody recording this space no I don't record them unfortunately sorry they're not recording this of all the spaces the record space of your life well it's just habit unfortunately I got on the dark attacked by the dark side of Twitter and decid not to record them anymore um they didn't even Record paper the things that I was talking about that Eric sort of um said he was going to go and have listen to was the set of lectures by The seti Institute and it's called um oh yes alien mathematics and it's very interesting um it looks at lots of different concepts but we're going to somewhere else could possibly have um on mathematics that could be different to the concepts we have lectures on YouTube and it's well worth looking at if you Paradox yes tup you got your hand up brother the only person in the room with it so good manners deserves so on go for it brother congratulations on a great space that was really cool I just popped in here I couldn't believe my eyes it was uh really it was it was great treat guest treat with respect good questions I only as soon as I I just tuned in right to right at like the right time I I I I I can't believe what I missed I just tuned in a little bit too late so we can recap that means we what he talked about and because I saw him in here and I was like oh I gotta hear what he's saying and uh yeah I mean uh I'm not going to recap but I would add something you know to what Eric was saying the the cost of um initial Discovery uh you know one of the many projects that I'm working on um is an artificial intelligence uh framework uh it's called Nine High uh that that vets out initial thesises uh compared against a whole database of Prior projects uh going back to 1990 um we have six different artificial intelligences over a billion parameters for each um of those six artificial intelligences one of those uh if you submit a project or potential thesis will identify a uh a personality type or an actual person that uh may be a subject matter expert to be able to fill in a gap that you're looking for um another one this is just basically mumbo jumbo no disrespect gaps in to Jeremy but you can teleport information we know you can because they literally teleported a picture last week helps to work for commercial VI viability um so if anybody's everybody has competing theories doesn't mean one's right or wrong uh you know having uh you know collaboration as the new form of currency and um you uh on the platform would be compensated for their contributions to the project as well so um yeah this has been something in the works uh for some time now and you know if anybody's interested the DMS are open okay um I've just had a message from Eric the paper is the Uchi gilki and Hansen paper uh spelled e g u c h i g i l key okay and Hansen okay that's the paper that Eric was referencing um sending me more stuff with links that I'm going to put into the room shortly okay yeah I can't look that up right now so if you could post those in the description just in the comment thread right below um they'll be awesome and I'll check into that this week okay right well to recap um what we were discussing we discussing basically dilation Theory okay in that the latest ligo results uh are providing analysis essentially are providing significant Sigma to a thing called Dynamic behaviorism in that it provides a geometric Unity okay in that properties to note the behavioral outcome independently of scale okay and we saw this with the neutron star collisions essentially and that those neutron stars did indeed hold that very odd phase of Quant okay so the macro and mega scales essentially can emulate that of the micro scale and the correlations to their energies spins and time essentially correlate quite well however it requires much more fur analysis of those results to determine if that is ultimately correct but fingers crossed I think we've got one right in that essentially the phase of Quant holds a much faster relative rate time okay the phase of Quant does not interact with normal last scale matter okay so we can start ticking some of those observables that we see with the phenomena we can also say that this conservational geometric symmetry should be applied a bit more than we imagined at first in that it should be applied to emergent entropic time providing a fluid symmetry as it were in another dimensional thing like a virtual as it were application of time so that we are essentially abstractions within that fluid symmetry of time and if we can do that we can use the physics of relativistic fluid dynamics to explain gravity in that the slower one's flow okay the greater the inertia and the faster one's relative rate flow the lower the inertia okay so if you hold a much faster relative rate of time than your surroundings for example you will experience zero g okay which gives us another tick on the box of those observables that we see and starts to answer some of the questions so we're looking at things more of a Time tensor as it were rather than an energy tensor of Einstein yeah we're going to drop out we're moving into the Realms of post Newtonian Einstein physics as such with this new dynamics that we're looking at okay so that's a quick recap of discing for hard TRS number five so you're staring at him royy Herbert there he is so it's notation then okay I'm goingon to go a drop out of that guys okay so that was fun uh I don't know so um my thoughts from just the little that I gleaned from uh Eric Weinstein is that wasn't very impressive to me I mean everybody wants to fate the guy but um if you're out here and you're telling people that you don't think there's UFOs visiting us I mean what do you think all what's going on man I mean what is going on right we got Congressional hearings about it we got a guy testifying the Congress that we have crafts um you know that's just it's just backwards thinking at this point you know it's like the old the old crew needs to just go retire and go somewhere else cu the reality is we need younger people who are looking at the same physics with a new lens there must be a way to travel faster than the speed of light if we have uaps visiting us simple as that even if there even probably if you think of uh like let's just say that we found them and dug them up or whatever then if even we dug them up they had to have come here from somewhere right they had have come here from somewhere um let's go ahead let's do a recap uh let me see what we got going on here yeah SE is full of crap I mean that's pretty obvious they've uncovered literally nothing in what 50 years I have no I've I have never had any respect for seti even back well before I even thought uaps were visiting us I just feel like they had to have been they have to be doing something wrong um yeah uh I mean I doubt that I have an email address for directly to Joe Rogan but you know I'll take a look at it um I did want to look at some scaler stuff I don't know how long I'm going to go tonight though I'm just I'm so jet lagged uh what was going on here yeah Lulu is better now I mean she's having some stomach stuff uh but she should be fine okay so you guys want to talk a little bit about Tim pool stuff okay yeah no she's good she's fine she's chilling in the other room right now um so Tim pool was great uh so here's the rundown of the Tim Pool Stuff uh we we showed up there kind of like around I don't know 900 in the morning maybe a little bit earlier and the thing was at 10:00 a.m. so we hung out uh kind of in the I guess you could call it Green Room uh of the castle which is a house that he has for his Studio I'm not going to say too much more about it because I'm not trying to dox people or anything like that uh but he had a pretty pretty sweet hangout spot right so I got to meet a lot of the people because when you're dealing with podcasters are this big they have like a really big like Entourage of people I mean he even he has there's two studios in the house so there's like a whole another crew that does a different podcast as well the I think it's the pop culture one or something um and so I got to meet a bunch of people they were hanging out we someone we talked about tww flight 800 somebody showed a video I think it was Brian actually the dude was driving us showed us a video of this guy where they claimed that they accidentally shot it down US military accidentally shot it down uh when they because it was like a test or something and they thought that they were shooting at the decoy and they ended up shooting at a real plane accidentally kind of cool not cool I mean horrific but uh interesting to see and uh met a few uh cool guys um Wesley as well who I met who knows um Tony Merkel who was the first guy that had me on in person for a podcast uh I love Tony Merkel I think he's just one of the nicest dudes I've ever met so it's interesting to see these small worlds right where it's like all these podcasters kind of know one another uh and I you know I that helps in terms of like getting good word for uh you know me and what have you so 10 o'clock rolls around it's like 10 minutes to 10 five minutes to 10 and like they're like okay it's time to go up and see Tim pool and you know he's set up in the studio uh playing the guitar and uh like right before I went up there I had that moment where I'm like man I can't believe I'm going to go talk to Tim P right now like that's wild you know like I just can't believe it and I kind of got past it I really don't get Star Struck like at all ever like I just just don't you know I just I look at everybody is just a normal human being but it it kind of it wasn't just like Tim P but it was more of like the moment and everything right and I had just met Dave uh in person for the first time uh as well so it was just a lot and then so I got past that pretty quickly we got up into the studio uh met Shane Cashman as well who was going to be he's the other guy that was you know the main the people talking in our it was a four-man round table and oh hey Bernie how's it going buddy uh and so then yeah we we started pretty much right away and yeah I thought it was it was awesome it was it was a fun conversation I mean the reality obviously is that you know Shane and Tim were definitely skeptical right very skeptical of the videos and the situation you you saw probably some of the clips including the one I retweeted with Shane earlier today this one where he's talking about well maybe the plane was fake the whole time right or maybe it was a hologram or something like that plane's definitely not fake there was definitely a real plane guys like there was definitely a real plane um but you know I think that what I would say with respect to like Shane's comments is um you know is it possible that like the government could have faked the videos sure right but you guys know you've followed the case long enough where it's like it doesn't make any sense for the government to fake these videos oh there's there's Jess as well I'm going to give you moderator um it doesn't make any sense for the government to have fake the videos I mean what's what's the story the government saying like they never revealed this stuff right and I could see how people on the outside are could say like oh maybe like you're part of the government right but like I know I'm not disclosing this on part of the government and if I'm if this is somehow a government setup then I'm in the middle of being used by them and how would they have known that I'm going to be the person that's going to pick this up right like nobody else picked this up if I didn't pick pick the story up these videos go back into the ether nobody talks about them right so that's why I just don't find there to be any credibility to this idea that the government made the videos right they never they never made them public they never uh marketed them or advertised them they never posted them on any social on any major media and I mean you got major media talking about aliens in Vegas but they won't even touch this story like just not even touch it and the reason why they don't touch it is cuz they know that it's going to destroy their narratives that they've put out there because even when you look through this like as much as like uh you know Shane and Tim they don't believe the videos right like and it's pretty obvious to tell they don't believe the videos right but they know I think that we got through to them on this idea that this plane didn't crash into the South Indian Ocean right the evidence is too strong against the plane crashing into the South Indian Ocean Shane was really cool man he was really cool he didn't really hang out afterwards but yeah like I messaged him afterwards and just really cool guy man really nice guy I asked him some questions about you know his background and stuff like that um yeah I mean it's fine guys like here so here's the thing too and this is a little bit uh kind of going off topic for a second is that we have to realize the situation that we're in here and I think I even said this on the podcast where like even 6 months ago I would have thought this is all crazy even if you talked to me 6 months ago I probably would have said the same thing probably would had the same attitude as Tim I probably would have said like this is nonsense there's no way right so keep that in mind what I'll say is what I realized about all this yes I believe the videos are 100% authentic because they tell the story of the plane better than any other story to date right um another 2K ad I'll skip it oh no it's too late uh but here's the reality of it is that this science is so Advanced and this stuff is so beyond what the public is aware of that even for me in the middle of it even let's just say I'll just say it I I believe that teleportation is real I believe that there's science beyond our understanding but think of what this does like to me I'm even starting to lose the line the line starting to blur between fiction in reality and that's just from somebody on the outside like imagine somebody on the inside who knows this science is real it's like man now you really just start to wonder like what's real and what's not anymore like what's possible and what isn't and this is why like when I look at Dave Rossy Dave Rossy is one of my best friends at this point and he's into a lot of esoteric aspects of this phenomenon and it's probably because he has seen stuff that's like he's like okay I know like a lot of stuff is real and a lot of stuff is possible right and once you start to go down that rabbit hole it's hard not to fall in it's like where is the line the line just blurs to a point where you're like I don't know man maybe there are Shadow beans right like I don't know and this is from somebody who I don't even I'm not even convinced aliens are visiting us right so this is the part where it gets difficult and when you look at it that way look at it from that perspective you realize too well wow it's really easy to hide this stuff really easy to hide this stuff cuz even the people who are working on it don't even know where the line is and so I think that the people that do this kind of science that know this type of stuff is real about quantum mechanics unification theory of quantum and macro Eric Weinstein's obviously not somebody who knows about it right he wouldn't have said half the stuff unless he's you know disinformation um and what I've heard though too uh I don't want to too off topic actually is um what was I going to say is that it's it's easy to hide it because it all just seems like fantasy right even to the people who are working on it it seems like fantasy so from the people from the outside of course everybody's just going to be like oh no this this can't be possible right they're going to and they're going to say show it to me show it to me well you can't it's all classified it's all classified who's Dave Dave Rossy right here you're staring at him where is he there he is Dave Rossy right there if you guys watch this you can check it out so yeah this is the part where it's it's like okay so how do you proceed so if you're in a situation where you know the stuff is real but the whole world you know what's going to happen if you try to tell anybody like and Dave and I were even talking about this where it's like even if you're to tell people this they're not going to believe you people aren't going to believe you right same way where we're talking about teleportation people aren't just aren't going to believe you it's that's simple they need to see it firsthand right and so this is the part where I think that if you are a scientist who's been in the know on this you just don't even bother trying to tell people because you know nobody's going to believe you anyway they're just going to think you're crazy like so maybe Eric Weinstein does know but he's not going to say that publicly because he knows and you heard him talk about it in that space right there where he talks about it he says the push back you could tell he was concerned about the push back he got for saying the wrong things on social media and you can see that even with stuff that just from the you know Miami situation that I posted you've got people going Ashton don't look at this don't talk about this blah blah blah like I want to keep your credibility whatever right like man I don't care about that stuff if if you guys have been following along you know I don't care about that that stuff at all I was nobody with 30 followers 6 months ago right um so it's like wait so uh I can you call in so Chad wants to call in uh so it's like you know I don't care about what uh people think about me and that kind of stuff at all because here's the thing too it's like I'm just going to tell it like how it is right and I'm not even concerned with trying to convince everybody anymore if that's the truth behind this is what I was going to post later tonight or maybe tomorrow now just because I'm tired is I'm just not concerned about trying to convince a bunch of people right like you guys who are watching right now there's 300 people watching this right now like the reality of what I'm telling you is the absolute truth in my heart which is that there is advanced technology out there the government knows all about it they're probably at least 25 or 50 years more advanced than we are that's just the truth that's from what I know from people I've talked to Etc they're they're at least that much more advanced than us right and we're not going to be able to convince the world we're just not you know they're not going to put us on TV they're not going to put me on CNN right um because the government does control everything it's just it's the sad state of the reality and even if you go post on social media you've seen the gatekeeping behaviors right that are out there everybody's going to push back show me your Source show me your scientific paper how many phds do you have that led to that man that stuff doesn't matter at all that stuff does not matter the people that I'm talking to do not have phds that are working on this stuff they're just people that figured it out and then they're you know and what what happens then logically is it creates this world of the halves and the Have Nots the people that know this stuff is real are living like kings because the people that buy this type of technology and use this type of Technology have tons and tons of money and everybody else is just a poor surf that's what that's been my wide o eye openening Revelations from all of this right so I don't even care about the trolls on Reddit or whatever if they want to go live like surfs and be idiots and be ignorant of all this feel free feel free I don't care man doesn't bother me at all right I'm 100% convinced in my mind that this science will get verified and authenticated um uh oh Chad wants to to dial in I'm trying to figure out if there's a way I can dial him in uh if so I might set up a quick Zoom yeah from investigate Earth podcast so uh quick shout out to those guys uh Chad and Sherry were the very first podcast not not in person the first in person podcast was Tony Merkel so I I always like to give him a shout out because he took a chance flying me out having me on his show in person I think that was still to this day you know one of the best podcasts period that I've ever been on and then Chad and Sherry from the investigate Earth podcast I might be older than they are but they you know they treat me like I'm their child and I love them absolutely cuz first of all I just love talking to them uh but they've just been nothing but grateful uh or gracious I would say is the word uh in terms of having me on even after the very first interview like if you listen to that still investigate Earth part one I was visibly scared audibly scared that's how freaked out I was by everything that was going on at the time um and yes for uh Kathy D in the chat I do believe that free energy is real it's not that simple the reality is there's energy even in the vacuum of SpaceTime even in the vacuum of space time in our space but definitely right here right here in this little space there's energy here right and if you can tap into that and figure out how to tap into it then you can create a device that will produce energy right now you know how do you do that that's the stuff that's classified that's the stuff where you're either one of the elites so you're not one of the elites um and so anyway that's what I've come to realize about this now we can jump back okay I'm going to you know what we're going to do a quick impromptu we're gonna I'm going to do a quick Zoom hold on hopefully this won't reveal anything when I pull this up doesn't look like it did okay I'm going to send a quick zoom over to uh Chad and Sherry hold on guys we're having a quick impromptu uh hard truths maybe here give me a second uh create new how do I do this create new Zoom how do I create the zoom um I can't figure out where the add new Zoom meeting is oh uh Jesus uh here schedule meeting oh nobody saw that right okay yeah okay cool I think that's good enough schedule meeting what time is it uh we'll back date it there okay give me one sec video audio save okay uh which one which account did I use I don't remember I think I use this one gotta make sure I use my right account oh great well that's not good hopefully people won't join that you know what I better make a different one huh hold on I'm gonna make a different Zoom uh I'm going to switch over to full screen face for a second let me cancel this God this so annoying did it just close delete okay let's try this again schedule meeting I definitely don't want to reveal that okay there we go yeah I switched it don't worry we're doing a different one start the zoom [Music] meeting okay okay here we go let me copy this invitation send this over to chat and share uh Chad sh if you guys are watching I'm sending it to you in chat yeah they do they do this as well okay oh they sent me one oh okay well I just sent him one I already sent you one okay I'll switch it back over once I get in the the stream the thing with them all you know what I'm going to join theirs I think hold on I'm just going to join theirs it's easier oh okay well now neither us neither of us are doing it okay uh we'll get that started here in a second um yeah we're doing full screen face so uh once I get the uh thing here okay let me see if I can join his I'm going to let them choose so we did the we did the Tim pool thing hung out with them and uh after it was done you know I thought it was I thought it was a really good one and then afterwards we hung out and we played poker actually down in Tim pool's basement with Tim pool and some other people as well we ate a bunch of sushi he ordered like a huge amount of sushi man it was awesome and uh hung out and chatted with people for a while and then uh bounced out and then I went back to the uh the hotel and hung out with Dave and um some other people okay uh I'm join hold on I'm joining my thing now as well let's see if we can get this going these are big chunker headphones I don't know what they are uh let me see let's see if you can get in there we go can you hear hear me is that Chad and Sherry let's let's switch back over to the other full screen Chad and Sherry where are you uh I'm here there you are hey Chad how's it going man how's it going brother hey good H you having a good night man we are having a fantastic night we just got done with the podcast and started listening to your stuff oh did you yeah I figured it wasn't random that you were jumping in and texting me so uh what was the uh podcast tonight that you guys were doing well we were doing a little bit of spiritual stuff biblical stuff in relation to UFOs uaps and all that stuff so um yeah we actually had you know we're not very I mean I don't know we're kind of spiritual right I mean I kind of grew up in a religious household but we had someone that is very spiritual a Biblical scholar which I don't necessarily know that I believe in everything thing 100% I'm kind of you know neutral on that but we at least have these people on because we want to talk about their like you know their their very devout beliefs um then just kind of mix it with a lot of the UFO UAP stuff and a lot of stuff we're talking about today I mean even the stuff you're talking about the how we can really harness the power of the world right now we're we're literally experiencing this right now and how does that relate to the spiritual realm that's kind of what we talked about a little bit tonight man yeah that's awesome I think that that's really where I'm trying to push the conversation forward is like how do you even move forward with a lot of this you know I've been very critical of a lot of people in the uip community just because I feel like you know if I look back TimeWise from when I was younger and I'm over 40 years old now it just feels like there's not much has been accomplished like sure I would say people are more aware for sure but you know we haven't nobody's shown any UFOs this stuff goes back to Roswell right it's like you know 100 years and uh we haven't got anything out there and I talked to these people that you know I've never thought I would talk to my whole life and um you know the way they talk about everything so casually about the science of it just feels like it's they're just like nobody's really even trying that hard honestly at least the people that are in the know that could get it out there you know so I'll be honest with you Ashen I um you know with the ma370 thing right you so let's talk a little bit about MH370 and especially about the debunkers right so the debunkers I think have come out loud and clear yeah uh against you and and if you look at by the way these debunkers that come out against you these debunkers come out against anything and everything that could tell or at least um potentially prove an outside power or Force outside of our government yeah right so you could you could have two two versions of this but at the very least like um I won't even talk about names but there have been prominent people that that that's their main goal it's like how do we debunk this how do we how do we try to disprove that either technology or an interdimensional force can actually exist like we are seeing today and so Ashton with MH370 thing as part of your thought process is hey the United States government has this reverse engineered Tech or technology to where we have reverse engineered this we have this techn technology and then the other side of this topic which is the UFO UAP topic is like okay well if it isn't our technology then it is a spiritual realm or force that we is it's kind of a scary thing right so um what would be the reasons Ashton in your opinion let's let's go opposite of what your theory is for a second sure far as this is United States or adversary countries reverse engineed programs let's go opposite to that for a minute what would be the reason why government or um debunkers would want to debunk a spiritual realm potentially of inter dimensionality of this to your thought have you ever thought about that yeah and I think from the debunker standpoint it probably doesn't change much because I think that from the debunker standpoint this is something I think I posted about to is that a lot of people are just fighting to keep the status quo right I think they we were just listening to Eric Weinstein as well in a space you know and he the first thing he says I don't even know if UFOs are real and I'm going wow well that's I mean it's kind of hard to believe like there's definitely stuff out there that's anomalous and we had the 2018 DOD Navy videos you know that were Declassified so um you know to that part I'm like okay I think that a lot of people just can't believe anything until the authority tells them right um but for the perspective of the people that are in the no that know the stuff is real that know there's uaps and let's just say again for the sake of argument they know there are aliens out there and that they're visiting us you know that's the part where I I want to talk to people understand their perspective the people that I've talked to um even as recently as this weekend you know I thought well it must be that it's a National Defense situation where uh you know this type the technology that they're going to be using is of national security purposes we want to you know make sure we're the only ones who have it Whoever has it going to control the whole planet uh Etc but it may be even more simpler and More Human Than That from the same it may be the same thing that we see from the UFO Community where it's just like Middle School fighting that there's that same infighting that we see as well with these scientists right and they all have their own agendas you know and they're stealing each other's work like look at it kind of like this where if there is teleportation technology the public has no idea but there's people and scientists that know that it is possible so which of them is going to get the credit right it's probably whichever one the that comes out with it publicly is allowed to come with out publicly first right so I think you end up getting a lot of the same Middle School drama that you get there now I'd like to hope that that's not as Petty as we are but that's kind of what I've been told behind the scenes so uh I don't know what are you what are your thoughts on it in general well well I I okay I'm going to ask ask you one question before I get into my thought and Theory um what do you think about C5 and uh Dr stepen theory on that especially summoning these things I like our conversations it's almost like two podcast hosts are both going at one another I love it we're jockeying for who's going to be the one asking the questions um you know so my true opinion of that before all of this was that I thought this was some kind of scam or something like that but I was open-minded to it I actually watched Close Encounters of the fifth kind which is his documentary about it I want to say a year or two ago about it and I was never comfortable with this idea of charging people I don't know how much he charges I heard it was thousands of dollars but now I think well maybe that's all disinformation too maybe it's not really all about that um but I did like this idea that Consciousness may be linked to uh non-human intelligence or beings or something like that and I I'll just tell people right now is that I actually like kind of tried it out on my own right because I I just I I don't that the idea that like you can project your will or Consciousness on reality itself is something that I've always been interested in ever since I I was just actually talking about how I used to I played poker with um Tim Po but I used to play poker like semi-professionally about 15 years ago like when it got really big online and everything like that and I was really good at it even thought about quitting my job and there's definitely been times where I was sitting at the poker table where I wondered whe whether or not the collective conscious of the people at the table was impacting what cards came up and this is what I always think about when I would think about C5 is this idea of like can you project your emotions your feelings your Consciousness onto reality and even now I I certainly do not rule it out um but I you know I think that it takes more than just wanting something like there's some other element that perhaps I'm kind of missing related to it so I think that's how I would answer does that kind of give to know you're getting that no I get it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's that's good um the reason I asked the question about step GRE and by the way um I see some people in the chat they're saying uh you know Dr step GRE is a grifter uh and and I've seen that by the way I've seen they say about me too though so yeah I get I get that um but let's think for a minute like let's let's just say for example that Stephen Greer is legit say that C5 he can summons these things um there's been by the way we've actually done a lot of pretty good research we've talked to probably 30 people we we actually did an episode on this um probably about a year ago we did an episode where we talked to a few people that have been to some of the C5 events and and I don't know what he charges I have no idea about any of that but what I can say is a lot of these people said it was pretty legit and I was like okay that's pretty crazy um because when I first heard I was like yeah that sounds that sounds crazy um so some of what Steven Greer's thoughts are based on C5 and and I guess some of his deep meditation and kind of how he summons these things and some other aspects of this is that if for example Steph Greer is correct let's just take for example that Steven Greer is right to where you can somehow have a theory or a methology to summons or have power and control over orbs or beings or things or energy um what does that do like say for example if the government knew that you had power in control over direct communication to an alternate power or force that was beyond their force that was more powerful than they are right what does that create to them that creates a threat to their power right Y and so that's one of the things Dr stepen Greer has kind of pointed out in in past uh things but we've also heard other people say this like if this is a spiritual realm or being or or things that we are seeing you have a threat to the powers that be a lot of these people we've talked in our podcast many times about the world economic Forum the New World Order their their Global governance system that they really want to try to set up and their entire Mission there is to create a global governance to where they are all powerful Almighty and they are the gods and we've seen this by the way in biblical texts in the past to where even in Genesis and exodus um back back in biblical days whether or not you believe in the Bible or not doesn't matter if we're just talking about in historical text we saw um even the Jews that were Moses said hey we're going to lead you out of Egypt because they brought the Jews in the Egypt uh in Egypt had all these Gods such as pharaoh and and some of these other ones but they were Kings but they were known as gods in Egypt and so as uh the Jews were being led out of Egypt Egypt away from those quote unquote Gods um they thought they were Gods right they thought they were the powerful and much of the people underneath the Egyptian rule uh back in those days were slaves regardless of how you want to see it if you look back in those days even the Israelis that came in or the Israelites that came into Egypt they became slaves but their people in Egypt were slaves before that and it was all because of the power structure that the Egyptian kings um put in into place mhm I think we are very much back in a way of we have power structures and Kings whether we see it or realize it or not that they believe they are the gods they are the almighty and they are all powerful and if you ever put into concept an actual uh you can say it's God you can say it's aliens you can say it's uaps you can say it's UFOs but if you ever put in into any um uh structure that there is a more powerful group of of beings over the powers that be in this world the worldly three-dimensional beings um they have a big problem with that because they cannot rule the people if you have another way out of them ruling the people does that make any sense what I'm saying no it definitely does I mean because I think that way you're talking about you know this power hierarchy as well and that's what this technology kind of uh implies is that whoever controls this technology you have this whole control and I think this is probably why you were jumping in because I was sitting here talking about that you have the halves and the have knots right and it's to a point where the line is so blurred that normal people the Surfs to have knots whatever you want to call them right are never they're never going to catch up they're never going to believe that technology is even real it's like the perfect defense is that they just they don't believe it's real so you now have your power structure is not threatened in any way shape or form and if some other beings were going to come down and they were either delivered that information to everybody or reveal themselves and you're definitely challenging that power structure right um on a side note I I think that Dr Greer definitely has information that he was privileged uh on receiving before all this happened I thought that it was a situation where he got some information probably most of it was accurate maybe some of it wasn't and then he kind of ran with it now I look back especially after I was in the space with him a couple weeks ago and I think that like 90 to 99% of what he talking about it's probably real I have a hard time with beu from the Andromeda galaxy and the ambassadors and what have you of the alien races um but you know what I'm keeping an open mind on it I think that everything else he's talking about with the science and like this I haven't watched documentary The Lost uh Century or whatever it is yet but I I already believe it like I think that we've this technology I think's been out there for decades and if we had access to it I think we'd be living in a different world even right now um and yeah I think it all probably goes back to what you're talking about is that it allows for the elites if you want to consider them that to maintain their power you know and even just between some of the conversations that we've been having even as of today like you see that same implication right I don't want to talk about it on stream but um you know some of this stuff is real it's like man you just kind of get brought in and if you're somebody who's open-minded enough to believe this technolog is real it's a whole new world for you you know and the last thing I would say is when I was looking at the MH370 stuff one weird connection that came up was the 1 MDB scandal from 2015 where the uh I'm going to butcher the prime minister's name it's the one after mahater and actually before mahater uh oh najib I think is what it is they found this bank account where he had $700 million in this bank account even my dad knew about it cuz my dad is uh worked in Singapore and he had his own business and he had a consult uh one of his I think I'm okay to talk about this he's retired now he had a contract where it was with the bank and there it was like he did that Disaster Recovery planning and so this is one of these emergency scenarios where like we found this money what the hell do we do like how do we how do we like reveal this to people right and he was like brought into discuss it and I was digging into the case because the M M1 MDB cuz I kind of knew just from what the news was going on but like the guy that was the whistleblower like put yourself in this perspective he's hanging out with people who have hundreds of millions of dollars that they are essentially just stealing from poor people and they're going and you know hookers and blow in the whole nine yards right going every nicest dinner possible and then he's got to determine whether or he's going to blow the whistle and when he Blows the Whistle they take everything from him he thinks he's safe in Thailand because it's next to Malaysia and it's a different country nope he gets arrested the the elites don't have they don't care about borders it's like the Batman movie borders don't stop them and they throw them in Thai prison where that's the last place in the world you guys want to go to prison is inti prison like there's one water bucket and 50 people in a 40ft square cell and you sleep on the floor in 50° Center 40° centigrate heat like 110 degrees you know just straight up hell right and imagine the dichotomy of one day you have hundreds of millions of potential dollars the next day you are literally broken a cell and living in a Cell for three years you know like man that's and that just goes to show you know how certain people live and we don't even see a lot of that in America but I lived in Singapore I went to Malaysia like Malaysia compared Singapore compared Malaysia is like United States compared to Mexico and it's just straight up corrupt when you go there we drove to panang one year I remember which is actually where we're talking about the plane flying to um and just to give you a quick Side Story on this and we can go back to the other stuff is that when we were driving up there the first thing that happened the cops pulled us over and they just shook my dad down for like whatever money he had in his wallet that was like the very first thing we were on this like eight hour drive they pull us over like there's like kind of a language barrier and they're like just pointing at his wallet and just he gives them like all the money in his wallet like I don't know $100 or something like that and then they just let us on our way and then we get to panang and like the first hotel we stayed at I'll never forget this I've never been in a building where I was more scared in my life it was tilted I was afraid to go up in the elevator and we get to the room and it's like you get in the room and it's like slanted and you're like feel like you're going to go out the balcony and fly off the edge and I'm like I'm not staying in this building like I'm just not staying in this building we end up going somewhere else so just a little side story for you go ahead dude that's crazy I mean that that that is nuts um you have pyramids pulled up here by the way oh yeah I was just showing it cuz you we're going about ancient history and what happen yeah you're right I want to talk about that for a minute you want to talk about okay let bretty pack yeah I do want to talk about this because um you know Ashton on on our podcast the other night we talked about Robert shock now there are probably a lot of people here that don't know who Robert shock is Robert shock is a um he is a a professor at Boston University Robert shock is alongside Graham Hancock even though I think Robert shock probably does a little more deep Dives in the ancient civilization Theory um as far as you know for example I told you on the on the podcast the other night when Robert shock and um and his team goes to Egypt to look at the pyramids they closed down the pyramids for his team for his people and you know we got invited by the way this past summer and they said hey do you want to come to Egypt and the pyramids with us and and we were like yeah we want to do it and then something happened at the very end we Cann not go which was so bad but um but they closed down the pyramids Robert shock is one of those people he actually has a book which I will get right here is a signed book I got to figure out what the book is actually called but U well there's one myth of a cosmos and forgotten civilizations revised and extended edition but anyway um his theory on this is even the Spinx right for example was actually not a SP it was actually a female rather than a male lion um and and he thinks it was it it was because water erosion whatever but also the thought process on how did these pyramids get built what was the what was the power structure Behind these things so you could go biblical and say that hey maybe it's nephlim these Giants that actually picked up rocks these 35 foot Giants I mean that sounds crazy but you know biblical terms you can kind of take that for example but then you could go the other example and say well these were Advanced civilizations far beyond probably even what we are today um I mean how many times do you see pyramids being built today um how many times and and if you look at our our very mediocre way of building structures today um we we we have cranes we have a lot of weird construction techniques we have a lot of this stuff but you look back at the pyramids man and not only did the pyramids were built with massive we're talking about some of these um uh I guess a lot of this was Granite uh rocks that were probably the size of uh 10 to to 20 houses in in length these things were put in place and not only are they put in place in you know specific ways but they were also aligned with certain astrological um uh what do you call astrological structures in in the sky yeah cosmology yeah and all that cosmology yeah and all this stuff what was the question is like how old are the pyramids I mean yeah and Beyond the pyramids I think the pyramids are probably older than we realized but I also think that the Earth also goes through recycling right I think we have probably been recycled three or four five six seven times we we know the Earth's probably at least multi-million or billions of years old um how many civilizations were around and how long were they around for that structure how and why did they why did they recycle what happened in the end did we did we destroy ourselves at the end of this either with our technology um or just our technology to be able to destroy ourselves and um what's your thoughts on this Ashton like have you ever thought about this especially in terms of MH370 let's just go there just the technology we have looking at the ability to potentially you you say I believe these orbs are a product of our reverse engineering so this is the first step being able to disappear an airplane so what is the next step what if they can disappear an entire planet or civilization because they get pissed off this is human nature human nature is a very bad thing in in in a lot in more ways than one um typically if you look at Human Nature we do not have a kind heart overall um so how would you like do you think that potentially our advancements in in Civilization could have destroyed us in our past civilizations if you believe in past civilizations 100% And this is something that I've only been broaching I think it's I've been broaching this idea of ancient history being pushed back longer than I've been doing the MH370 stuff um and when I watched ancient apocalypse with Graham Hancock I mean I found a lot of that stuff very compelling cuz despite the the nature and the name of the show he's really just doing anthropology and archaeology right and he's just he's doing stuff where like I like when people actually go out and do the work do the science right he's doing it not just sitting there like talking about oh blah blah blah this is what the academics said no he's actually going there and doing it right and I look at structures like the pyramids and um I was actually on with Jimmy coretti he's somebody as well who I I appreciate because he throws ideas out there that people you know it's just it goes against the grain I just I people like that that try to challenge the status quo right and I think he's one of the first influencer uh proponents of the idea that the pyramid is not a tomb which when you look at the structure of it it seems obvious it's not a tomb like it's it's clearly the way it's designed and the in the stuff inside the pyramids there they're not designed to be a tomb it's clearly got some other purpose for it and what we see when we look at it here is what it's become after thousands of years of erosion right you know I think there was some images that I was showing where you can tell that like it wasn't just kind of rocks the way it is now they've tried to like you know uh REM uh um renovated and all kinds of stuff as well it used to be very smooth and used to have a smooth surface to it like you said about the science related to it this was a situation where just because in some ways these civilizations were you know inferior to us they didn't have computers potentially that doesn't mean they didn't understand some of the mechanics of the universe better than we do now you know I think it's a very real scenario where they understood quantum mechanics uh perhaps even stuff like we would call anti-gravity better than we understand it here today you know um I also think Ashton by the way I think that we talked about this on the podcast if science is if you go against the grain you are defeated and I feel like back in the uh pyramid days there were a lot of scientists right back in those days there were a lot of scientists that said hey we got to figure out how we do this I don't I don't know I I I have no idea why they created a pyramids or for what reason but um we do know at the very least science today is minuscule if if you go against the grain you're done we saw this with Co we saw this with many doctors coming against the official narrative or response to co um they they got threatened to get their license pulled they got all of this stuff I think there's a lot of this today and I think we're seeing it on the medical scale when you look at Co but I think that's also what we're seeing with the MH370 thing I mean oh we have three orbs that are you know in circling this aircraft and and this aircraft gets disappeared um but also we have to remember that you know during Co days I don't know if people realize but DARPA which was heavily involved in Co whether people realize I mean you guys can look up the uh the Articles DARPA was involved in covid-19 pretty heavily um they were involved with uh Dr baric at University of North Carolina um as far as his uh I guess um research as far as the gain of function of uh of what was it the Corona virus into SARS kobe2 yeah we gotta be careful just because we're on YouTube but yeah know you know where the line is no I get it yeah um I get that but anyway so you can look at those things and you can see that anyone that kind of pushed back on that right um anyone that pushed back on that they were they were ridiculed they had been threatened to have their medical license uh taken and this is no different by the way than what we're talking about today we're talking about if you push back on the physics aspect of what is possible and what is not if you push back on the civilization Theory as far as how old we are as civilization all of these things are you will get push back and and I'm and and by the way I'm even talking about Robert shock which is a Boston University Professor he is one of the most cited archaeologist geologist and U and ancient civilization experts he is also one of those people that get pushed back um and he's got ridiculed in in his own University in Boston University um and I think what we're seeing here is is that we are in an I guess to your point just a second ago we got to be careful because we are on YouTube and you're right you are 100% correct um they have to control information because if they do not control information um then they lose the narrative because otherwise you want the truth right like is that not what Society wants like Society wants the truth Humanity wants the truth and and and and if you don't want a truth then you want a narrative and so what is it is it the truth you want or is it a narrative and an agenda and I think what we're seeing here is is that we want a narrative and an and and the agenda rather than truth yeah and yeah what I would say is this is not medical advice and uh somebody said in the chat that uh the covid-19 vaccine is safe and effective and works against minimizing the spread of covid-19 just want to make sure the YouTube sensors got that absolutely and I think we've seen it too with uh Scott Jensen he is a former Senator and a doctor and he came out and just for the crime of investigating uh how many people were being uh labeled as covid deaths he got attacked they tried to take his license away I think they I was looking into him and I think they they tried like six different times um to take his license away because he was simply auditing the deaths and looking at the death certificates and uh we're not going to get too much into that but it goes to show you that anybody who threatens the narratives that are out there or the status quo just gets straight up attacked by people and I don't think those people even have to be paid or anything like that they are just doing it because they're being told by the TV and being told by their authorities that that is misinformation this is harming people Etc um now going back to some of the other stuff like DARPA you know what I'll say is that I'm like 100% sure there's even classified papers out there Declassified papers that are into a lot of esoteric stuff we know that like the CIA was investigating stuff like remote viewing psychic stuff I've been making fun of Jack sarfati but I know for a fact that he was part of the CIA and he was you know investigating a lot of that stuff so they take it seriously they take a lot of that stuff seriously and then they will go ahead and crap on it when people outside the you know that are not under their realm of sphere of control bring those types of theories forward that's the thing that's kind of scary is that they're out there doing expensive Research into all this stuff and then if anybody else says it then they'll just go and crap on them like it's not real like perfect example of MH370 stuff is like I had reached out to Jack sarfati about teleportation and to try to learn from him how it work and you know he was pretty rude and dismissive of me and I was kind of rude back I'll just be honest Jack if you're out there you know we can make amends um but then like just a week ago or two weeks ago someone's linking to me his stuff and he's talking about teleportation is real I'm like what like why are you crapping on me I'm sitting here showing videos of teleportation you can't why would you not be aligned with me on that and it's because you know it's they have to there's it kind of goes back to that infighting they're willing to have one face and and where they know the stuff's real but on the other side on the public side just go ahead and lie about it so they can maintain that control that's out there now two last things real quick are I was just looking at this picture of the pyramid this is not a tomb like looking at this like the passageways are angled like like if this is a tomb you're going to have like a straight up passage you're going to have rooms right like you would imagine you would have rooms like it would be it makes sense for someone to walk into when you look at this this has like geometric and clear purpose whether or not we understand what that purpose is it's it's something Beyond just burying people right that's not what's going on in this pyramid here and then lastly what I would say is to your point about reset Theory absolutely in the back of my mind that's what I keep going back to is this ever ever since I discovered JFK's Moon speech where he talks about uh you know taking human civilization and and crunching it down to 50 years from the 50,000 years and he just starts by saying for the first 40 of those years so the first 40,000 years we know nothing about our history except for that at the end of it you know 10,000 years ago man had learned how to hunt animals and use their skins as as clothes like that's how far back 10,000 years is basically how far back we can look back at our history and look at how advanced and evolved we are as just human beings it's like this is there should be way more history like if I were to look at our civilization from the outside and just guess how long Human civilization's been out here I'm going to guess like over a 100,00 years or more right and yet all we know is 10,000 years so from that perspective and to your point earlier we know that like stuff erodes over time even the pyramids and I think they're probably older than what they say they are as well just really hard for me to believe that they're they're only a few thousand years old um and I agree with the Sphinx thing as well where like potentially it was like had a different face on it and it was carved out and and the water erosion around it as well doesn't really make a lot of sense consider it's in the middle of a desert so that's the thing that I think scares me if you just to wrap it up you know you take the stuff like Tucker Carlson's been saying about this idea of you know what he knows and what he's been told is dark it's scary right one of those possibilities is well what if we're in a prison planet and they're just going to reset us whenever they want want whenever we get a little too smart a little too big for our britches right cuz your point this technology of teleporting a plane you just I think anybody who thinks about it logically it's like where what else can you do with that technology what else can you do when you see three orbs that are breaking the swinger limit as Jeremy ree was just saying earlier today on the on the stream um and it can create basically infinite energy or if we can even just suck the energy from the vacuum state of SpaceTime like this is free energy you're like okay well now I can start to blow up the whole planet pretty easily I have to do is scale this up a little bit and yeah so I I think that like Dr Greer says that the reason why he doesn't think that the the non-human intelligence are malevolent is because he says they could just destroy us anytime they want so absolutely yeah okay well I will say this I I didn't want to go here but we're gonna go here we're going there no this this is this is way safer than covid-19 so okay that's that's what's funny I my YouTube channel for now I don't want to have to switch over to rumble just yet yeah we don't want to murder you on YouTube yet um by the way speaking of which before we get into that I will say that Spotify is so good at free spee um and and and I want to give them credit because we've been with Spotify for five years and by the way yeah I I think that I think Joe Rogan going there and getting a contract probably helps that because they can't like censor other people and also let Joe Rogan say whatever he wants to at the same time so I I I but I will say you know Spotify is not a US company so they you know they don't have to as of now abide by the same BS that you you know the United States abides by or what they want to push on us companies but what I will say to your point here is um with the whole spiritual realm Tucker cross and all of this now we don't have to go religious but we can go a little bit in the realm of what happens when we die this this this is going to get somewhat deep but it's not going to get crazy deep we're not going to go you know nuts but what I will say is that I think that um and and that's one of the things when when Ashley when you first came on our podcast and and and you're right by the way you came on our podcast and you said hey uh what I and and I and by the way you have done a ton of research by by this time you when you came on our podcast it was not like you had not done research you have you had been heavily invested in this before so it's not like we brought you on the podcast and and you had no idea what you were talking about um there were people there were listeners of ours that that said hey can you bring astion on your podcast because he is saying some stuff about MH370 that I think makes sense and some of these people by the way that that reached out to us uh we respected because they had reached out to us on other topics that they were usually right about um and and by the way some of these people which I think I reached out to Ashton before about these people some of these people are in the government um I will be honest we we have had government employees on our podcast like literal actual government employees now I can even say this because the reason I will say this because they said when they came on our podcast that you know hey I don't care if you say this even though they did not say we are we're allowed to say what What entity they were with but what I will say is that they were ahead of a major three-letter agency um they were over I'll put it this way there were over 3,000 agents um in the United States government and they've been on our podcast a couple times and so um one of these that particular person by the way Ashton I don't if you even know this but that particular person reached out to us and that that was one of the people when they said hey you need to look at this footage of MH370 and I want you to do a story on it I want you to follow this and this guy I won't say his name but if you guys listen to a podcast or whatever you can probably find who this guy is because we do on the podcast in this particular episode we say hey this guy is is is a part of the government he is um a big name in the government he has over over 3,000 agents and um and I even told him before he came on I said hey look man you don't have to even say your name by the way like don't say your name he's I don't care if I say my name I was like okay that's fine because by the way when he says his name you can literally go look him up on on Google and see who he is uh but I'll let you guys figure that out um but regardless of that the spiritual realm like do we feel like that when we die that we are that we're going to see black right that I think that's I think that is something that people are scared of I think that's people I think that's a fear of ours I think that's something that also when you look at this UFO and UAP and alien and and God and all this stuff and you wrap all this in like I think until now with the UFO topic we there's a lot of people that only had Faith to go on they only had faith it was like we have no evidence whatsoever they're interdimensional anything and by the way if you if you if you listen to and I I want to read something real quick because this is this is important I want people to I want people to understand this and I'm not a Bible person at all but I I I literally just read this tonight on the podcast and the first thing I read I was like wow this is kind of crazy but if you if you think about what's going on today says Heaven out of this world the Helix nebula which is 690 Lightyear from Earth is it looks like the Gateway right to a brighter world but the glow is actually from gases of a Dying star the heaven of scripture many say has nothing to do with the physical Universe there is no Galactic address heaven lies in the spiritual Dimension and it even says goodbye Flesh and Blood the end isn't near it's here it's a vision of the future the physical Dimension is gone is replaced by something that sounds a bit like a super physical Dimension blending the best of both worlds physical and spiritual right so you hear that from the Bible and you're like okay then you look at like the UFO thing and what's going on today and you look at all these things that are you you're literally talking about um Tucker Carlson and and some of these whistleblowers that are coming out even even literally Declassified government documents and even classified government documents that that these people are saying hey there there is a realm of this that we know that is spiritual I actually think the government 100% believes that most of what we're seeing UFO and UAP is a spiritual realm it is a interdimensional realm and so the reason I bring this up is because Beyond or or sorry before we ever even thought about the disclosure of UFOs and uaps we only had Faith to depend on a potential afterlife now we are starting to see a little bit of evidence of of of of a potential other side right of a potential um realm outside of what we know that exists in our 3D dimensional realm now you can take that as as Jesus or God or Muslim or whatever it doesn't matter doesn't matter the religion it we're literally only talking about the physics or spiritual aspects of this and um and so when you look at this I think this is the most groundbreaking thing we can possibly take from this today and you can you can wrap yourselves in religion all around all of this we don't we none of us know but but one of the things that we do know is that we're trying our very best to figure out and can sipher what we are seeing and hearing today and even with CERN um trying to look at these other dimensions with uh the the particle colliders where you're where you're literally colliding particles at light speed or or faster in some cases um and you're trying to see what that Dimension would be and you're trying to find those other particles and so the thing I want to say to people um that we don't always get to say on our podcast because sometimes our podcasts are are are very concise and we got to we got to get it point out but what I want to say to people is that at the very least it doesn't matter if you're a God believer or Jesus believer or or if you're BLM or Hamas or Israel or whatever the point of all this is is that I think that what we are starting to uncover in 2024 and 2023 is that there is a possibility that we are not just who we think we are we are not just a physical being and structure of ourselves I think there is far beyond energy that encapsulates all of us and I think by the way what Ashton um points out a lot with the MH370 thing the fact that if Ashton is right in terms of what the United States has been able to reverse engineer imagine what is beyond what the United States has been able to reverse engineer and um and so I I think we have to I think we have to uh harness our lives and and but also we have to understand that um potentially there is something way more and way more structured and way more bevent than than what we are as a 3D dimensional physical body yeah um have you ever seen real quick have you ever seen Andy we the egg have I shown that to you or sent you guys that if not I'm looking at it on the screen is that is that what you're showing no no no the egg so here I I'll pull it up um and I'm not going to play it just yet but I'll I'll kind of spoil it uh for you here um now this short story and I I don't want to play it because it'll also get me YouTube stried or whatever but um this is a story here where it's it's uh kind of about reincarnation is the reality of it now it's better if you kind of watch it yourselves and dig into it but the idea is early on this person dies and then they are reborn as somebody else and it's about okay well what does life mean then if that's the case right and the reason why I find it so compelling is that I'm sitting here I've been talking to uh Roy de Herbert which we were just on a space with him and Eric Weinstein actually and this idea that time itself is really a construct it's the fourth dimension but it's also something where you can I think I was talking to you actually about it as well where uh it's the only reason why we perceive it the way we do is because of our biology and because of the beings that we are but if after we die there's no reason why we couldn't be reincarnated say gask Khan you know from centuries ago and living essentially every life out there is just one person perhaps we are all the exact same being but because of uh physics we are all in our own local frame rate our own uh kind of little bubble reality in any given moment and that's how it's technically possible where we all could be the same person despite the fact that we may be interacting with oursel and the thing that's beautiful about this story that I'm going to kind of spoil is that it gets to this idea of every kindness that we do to someone else is a kindness that we're doing to ourselves every time we abuse or harass someone we're we're just abusing or harassing ourselves absolutely um I agree that real quick on a couple of the points you brought up um you know when you talked about the government agent who was willing to say their name or what have you I mean one thing that I think I've come to realize is that a lot of people aren't afraid in the government from because there is a lot of bureaucracy around it but also because nobody's going to believe anyway right because what we talked about is like some of this stuff is so out there that they know that like okay even if I were to just spill the beans it would just sound like I'm a crazy person mumbo jumbo right so from that perspective and they's so good at disinformation and throwing misinformation out there where we're already in my opinion in a post-truth world where people can't even understand what's real and what's not anymore um and that might be what kind of allows some of these people to come out and speak so freely um because I've kind of wondered too like why are they able to speak so freely are they sewing disinformation and I don't think it really is a lot of time I think it's just a time where like even the government itself at this point doesn't even know how do we get this information we been lying for so long that nobody believes anything anyway right and we talked about even if aliens were to come down onto the front lawn and and say hi to Joe Biden or whatever like I think um you know Joe Rogan even talks about this is like the moment the government tells me aliens are real that's the moment I stop believing they're real right it's like damn that's a tough situation um and then there might be other aspects too before all the MH370 stuff and all the stuff I've learned about technology before then I was one of those people that thought that the reason why they would hide it is because religion would be threatened and that people that are religious wouldn't be able to reconcile it now I have the exact opposite opinion funny enough that I think the religion will adapt to it quicker than anybody else because the reality will mean that there is a construct that we live in and that if we then live in a construct it's this idea that there must be a creator for it which is very congruent with the idea of God and and a Divine entity um but I think that the same issue the government has applies regardless of if it's the religious people or non-religious people that have a problem with it is that I think they're afraid that people will just kill themselves for a lack of a better word because of what we're talking about this idea of reincarnation that people will just think oh I'm just going to take the easy way out this is an avatar situation where our soul lives on and and personally that's what I think the situation is just for everybody who's watching what have you is that think they're afraid that a lot of people that don't have great circumstances will check out and this again goes back to this idea of the elites versus the non- elites the elites don't want everybody to check out because they're taking advantage of it all right they want the non the the the pors the you know the the surf class they want them to stay surf class stay working wage slaves and what have you um and just real quick the last thing I want to say is that this is just a personal story that I've had is that I've been pretty much unable to talk to my parents about pretty much anything related to the case um because they are what I would call CNN brains that they have you know my dad's been somebody that's read the New York Times probably every single day for the last 50 years right and he hasn't in my opinion uh come to realize that it's not like it was even 20 30 years ago where like you would go to the newspaper to get the truth right it's come to a point now where it's pretty much just propaganda that's being spread under control maybe it always was um but one thing that we have been able to connect on is he's always been a Buddhist pretty much his whole life and they believe in reincarnation and recently we sat down and I was like Hey Dad I want to talk to you about you know what do you think happens when you die and you know he told me well I'm a Buddhist blah blah blah I believe in reincarnation I said so do I you know um and I kind of told him and I could just tell from the look in his face that he was kind of surprised by what I was telling him that and it was funny because I told him like I think we've arrived at the same end conclusion but from different perspectives like he came out from this conclusion of like he just always felt connected to it especially when he was even younger in his 20s um and he would travel the world and stuff like that and for me it's like I came at it from looking in the science of it like I look at the science and I go The Logical conclusion is that our body is a capsule that's holding our soul and perhaps that's what this is all about good absolutely no I agree no I I agree with everything literally everything you're saying I mean we we said this on the podcast the other day we said you know our parents when you try to talk to them about what's going on today they just cannot yeah fathom it there's no way they cannot grasp what is going on I mean uh my mom I if I call her at 545 she's like hey I got uh 15 minutes before world news tonight or whatever it is comes on and and that is that is her world view whatever that World News Tonight comes on and says that is what she believes nothing outside of that by the way nothing and then by the way I saw someone that said I was trying to cross reference like what he was saying who was this guy that was on our podcast talking about I will say that it the the episode where we had the guy on that is uh the government employee is the Israel war with Palestine and Hamas World War III breakdown with rashed r a s he so you guys can go uh check out what he says there but I actually want to bring on rashed um to a deeper episode because me and Rashid talked before this episode actually me and Rashid talked uh for probably an hour and a half um now Rashid is in in in his position um he is in a he is in a high up position but he was in in my opinion I guess in weird other positions before the position he has now so he was in positions in the military like high up military almost scop type stuff uh before he got into position he is in now and so when we started talking about the uh the virus right we won't go into that but um we started talking about that and and and we were talking on a personal level he was talking about the scop aspect right of he was like man you know that whole realm that whole three years was a it was like everything I had ever learned or knew it was like I ripped out a page from our book that we were trained on and and so when he got kind of deep in that I was like Wow and although we were not talking about that with our podcast that we brought him on for I do want to bring him on um in that capacity I I I don't know that he can do that right in his position necessarily but um but it is very interesting I I think I think we're living in a world today that um people are looking desperately for answers right I mean there people are desperate for answers to try to figure out what in the hell is going on I think we're all um I think if anything as much as we are divided we are united in realizing that something is not right like there is there is a lot of things that are not right about the world right now and um and and I I think I think if I had a microphone to the entire world if I had if if I had one microphone to the entire world and by the way our podcast over 5 years we are so blessed to be able to to reach as many people as we do and I'm so thankful of that I I literally wake up every single day I wake up to that is my purpose and I've never known my purpose I used to um I used to feel like my purpose which I still do marketing I still do stuff like that but I was always chasing a I was always chasing money right I was chasing money a way to survive but I'm telling telling you guys that are listening right now when you find your purpose then nothing else matters and when you find your purpose money will come if it if it's meant to come it'll come but but it'll support you your purpose will support you if you're passion I guess I guess if you're passionate enough about it um your support will come and our podcast is is our passion it is our purpose and um and I'm just saying that I think now people like you Ashton uh people like podcasts like Joe Rogan or whoever people that are really speaking the truth no matter who it is um I think those people are the most uh instrumental people in society and our future today because when they take that away CU that is my biggest fear by the way for those that want to listen like what is my biggest fear in my life every single day take my microphone away like take take my ability to speak the truth or at least speak my opinion to people to verify it for themselves that is my biggest fear and um and and I think they're desperately trying to do that right now and and and if you guys can imagine a world right now to where as bad as it is right now take what take away everything that is against their narrative take away Ashton take away me take away jro take away all these people and all you hear all you hear is the government's message think about think about how your world would be think about how depressed you might be right now even given all the propaganda that is being spit in our face on a daily basis but then take away every dissenting voice from that as well think about how depressed you would be cuz you're in North Korea I we're close to that by the way I feel like we're close to North Korea I mean I I don't I don't know how far we're how far out we are from that but I just feel like we're not as far as you think and um and that's that's a very scary thing and so so Ashton with your mh70 thing I look people can say MH370 and the videos and the and the satellite videos or or you know there's going to be people say well that's BS there's going to be people that say that you know hey I believe this but at the very least I know that Ashton 100% believes us and and by the way based on people that we've talked to and even the guy I'm just I literally just talked about the government employee that said he was one of the guys that said uh check out Ashton check out his videos you need to cover this now I don't know what that means by the way Ashton I have no idea I think I've kind of told you about this but yeah I don't I don't know what that means I don't know I don't know if he knows something that that we don't know he he would probably never say it I don't know um but take away all of that what what do you have left what do you have left if you if you have no dissenting voice in any topic period what do you have you have the stopan tyrannical North Korea or even worse Reddit no that's Reddit you have Reddit mod you get redit yeah and I there's another topic that I'm afraid to talk about on the podcast but what I'll say is that I took a chance and I I made a comment on the news subreddit on a particular thing related to the date of yesterday um about somebody who died on that day and not not only did I just get downvoted and it was just basically saying that we should not uh glorify death or people that are killed um not only and there was a lot of comments that were glorifying death which should be against social media rules but none of them were being you know moderated against not only did I get moderated I got permanently banned permanently banned from one single message on this particular subreddit about news and I think it goes to the point that you just mentioned which is that when you remove all dissenting opinion what's left is you get not just an echo chamber but a literal brainwashing machine and it leads these people that live their lives from those particular social media platforms so not realize like what normal people think and what they believe and what have you and if you think about some of the podcasts that I've been on that were uh very hostile you know it's that's that that's what I call the Reddit brain where they don't even know what real people believe they think that they're going to look like Heroes for trying to chop me down or whatever right and then they find out that real people are like looking at them going what why are you such a douche like what how could you possibly be so close-minded and stuff like that right um and you're right like the what the government is doing is they're taking away people's microphones they're taking away people's views and that is what reinforces that Echo chamber and this is why even when you go to Reddit and you go to like the Joe Rogan subreddit it's like 100% against him I was talking to Jimmy corsetti about this Jimmy coretti got banned from that subreddit he was like one of the only guests who's actually been banned from The Joe Rogan uh subreddit for like just trying to comments about it because everybody's just trying to rail on him and it's like man just think about the emotional and mental damage that's doing to like a whole generation of people that are out there um and that's why I think that it's so important that we do have free speech is that we do have the capability to speak publicly and openly and if we're if people don't want that then I think we have to get rid of anonymity on the internet and I think that we have to do away with stuff like section 230 protections because if uh either everybody gets the free speech speak freely or nobody does is kind of my opinion and I'm fine with either way we want to go with it right because if we then get rid of social media and say okay we're not going to have it then people have to force to have interactions in person right and they have to try a different route of doing it I'd prefer if everybody can just speak freely um but yeah I so I 100% agree I think that that's what's been going on especially in the last few years this is what I personally don't think my political opinions have changed at all I think that I'm still the same person politically that I always was I've always believed that your uh your rights end where mine begin and that I think that's something that if everybody were live by those rules it establishes pretty clear guidelines for what is against the law and what isn't against the law in the United States of America I think that we have this Overton window where the politics is just shifted and it's shifted because of what you just mentioned is that only certain views are tolerated and there isn't anymore this idea of equal justice um the last story that I'll bring up here is related to somebody that I have come to uh find to be I mean not like necessarily A you know like my best friend but I somebody that I've come to respect which is Jake Chanley um you know he has been vilified in the media he went to prison insurrectionist he went to prison and you know I told somebody at a dinner the other night not going to say who it was or anything like that that oh I know that guy like I've been hanging out with him it turns out he's not at all what the media tried to make him out to be he's like the nicest guy I've ever met I could never imagine this guy ever hurting anybody in ever he's way nicer than I am even and they were like I wish you would stay in prison and I'm like man this is like even people that are really smart really intelligent people well read people people that have Highly Educated everybody's susceptible to the propaganda and the brainwashing and that kind of idea of if you remove people's microphones then people start to cohere towards these peer-reviewed approved beliefs and I just kind of said I didn't want to harp on it too much but I said I think if you to listen to talk to the guy you might be surprised at what he really believes he's running as an independent he's not raising money he wants term limits on people in Congress it's like I think you'd find you might have a lot in common with them at the end of the day now yes is he consider himself a shaman have a lot of spiritualistic beliefs sure but that's not anything that makes somebody a bad person you know so just some thoughts I mean I I I feel like that um Chanley is a I I feel like they made him out to be a subjective uh insurrectionist right I mean this is what they wanted to do they wanted to use this image and and what he stood for even though he didn't stand for that but that's what they want to use him for um and and listen I mean the reality of this is like j6 or we won't go too deep into this but you know there were a lot of people in in in 2020 that felt like that there was a lot of weird stuff that happened right at the very least um and you know what happened with the Jon six and and all that stuff I I I do feel like I I just watched by the way did you watch the the Alex Jones um oh my God live feed debate last night did you watch any of that with the I saw a clip with was it oh was not the one with Destiny was that a different one yeah and that one yeah it's the same one I I I didn't watch it all but you know he's another person that we're really bring the line it's going to get me cancelled here today but um no he's another person too where when I went on his show um I had a lot of people even in my own Discord saying don't talk to this guy right because of the stuff around the lawsuit that he had happened right in the Sandy Hook stuff and I even myself like you know coming from where I used to be I'm like oh you know do I really want to go there with this but this isn't the kind of case where you can really be pick and choose who you go talk to right it turn out we had one of the best interviews of any of them with him right he even said that this was one of the most mindblowing interviews he he had ever had I'm going this the same yeah oh my God I'm literally just thinking about this this was the same dude yeah so he was the guy on Alex Jones Last Night Live the debate was this the same dude oh no uh so you mean Destiny or who are we talking about yeah because Alex Jones debated Destiny I think yesterday okay okay and it was about a lot of the topics that we were just talking about okay um and stuff like that and I think that's where that whole thread that I was reading or whatever came from related to that but isn't interesting that like okay so but you agreed with this guy on your topic right um I mean Alex Jones no Destiny no I have Destiny I've never talked to so little side story though Destiny and I used to play Starcraft against each other like 20 years ago and that's how he ended up getting big was he was one of the first like video game streamers um and now obviously he's morphed into a whole like personality and what have you related to it but he was known as like people hated him because he was super toxic but now I'll tell you the truth is I was pretty toxic back then too so we would have like you know little arguments in the chat I don't know if you would even remember a lot of this but um maybe if I told him my handle name he might he might remember uh and and I you know I'd never got into all that streaming stuff like that so that's kind of the different uh perspectives and I don't think I would agree with him on very much honestly anymore which is interesting because I used to think that I was left of where he was at from a political perspective and now if you I were to talk everybody would say I'm to the right of where he's at um so it's just interesting how that stuff changes even though you're probably middle yeah yeah I mean I definitely middle I think in middle of the road in general but I don't know a lot of people think that they are so that's aside the point though no I agree that um but yeah I I just I guess um I'm not gonna stay on here too long we had a podcast tonight I I just want to point out that um I'm very proud of you Ashton I I and we and and we've said this on the podcast before um we brought you on I think you've done an amazing job I think that we have to have people like you um come out and talk about this stuff because and not just talk about this stuff I mean we can do podcast and and by the way when you do a podcast where you're constantly talking about different subjects it's hard it's hard because you know you have to try your very best to understand and acknowledge everything surrounding what you're talking about the very best you possibly can and that's given a like two days scale of time right and and so so you should of all people should know that you know hey um how long have you been doing MH370 I mean it's been a while it's been six month months it's not even that long surprisingly and how much have you dove into like the physics the science the engineering all of the stuff of that that that is that is a lot of stuff to dive into and and so at the very least um when I see naysayers of people that literally has zero clue in any aspect of what they're even talking about they they they say oh this is this or this is that and this is this dude you haven't done any research whatsoever I maybe you've done maybe you looked up some stuff on Google right um but the amount that you have thrown yourself into uh the physics and and and everything not even just the physics but you know just the uh uh the ability of the United States government the spy satellite the drones the the aircraft how the I mean what the you know what what a what a um um I guess you can say a HUD would look like as far as a a drone um how this how this whole thing works Nobody Does that I mean and and the people that do do that can understand on a deeper level more so than other people and so you're obviously going to get at people that say well this is this is crazy this is ridiculous yeah um and and I watched your uh Tim poool interview which by the way I'm not going to say anything bad about Tim poool I I I actually think he was very respectful yeah um he um I think he did I think he did a good job by being respectful but he also had his own opinions and um based on you know things that he had um I don't know talked about before whatever the case is uh but at the very least I I think you handled yourself well um when I was when I was listening to his standpoint on the videos I feel like from my perspective I feel like he was um I feel like and I and by the way I'm saying this respectfully yeah um I feel like he was uneducated to the terms and the level of what we are talking about with these videos with MH370 because if if if anyone has followed you and your research and all this stuff with M 370 videos you understand there is a lot more involved than just oh I can do that in Unreal Engine in 10 minutes CU it's not the way that works yeah I just go ahead finish your thought sorry sir no sorry I mean it's just not the way it works because I've done in Unreal Engine five I I know that pretty pretty well um but it's not going to look like that it's it's not the same it's not the same thing it's not how that works um and so I I I heard his point of view I got it he wasn't he wasn't saying it by the way in like an [ __ ] way um but he was just saying like hey here's what I think and by the way I felt like you did a good job saying well but look here's the reasons why this is not necessarily as easy or or as easy as you think um I just think that 2024 for everybody listening it's going to be a [ __ ] show I want everybody to be prepared because um this year is going to be crazy uh we have election years um we have in my opinion I think we have a turning point in America I think we have a point to where we're about to see whether we are a um whether we have a democracy or whether we don't you know I know the Democrats are using that word a lot right now but we're to find out whether we do actually have a democracy or not um there is some speculation by the way this is I can break this a little bit on your stuff um just based on a couple things I've heard but I think Joe Biden is about to be subsequently pulling out of the 2024 election within the next few days um I have heard that from some sources and so what does that mean well we don't know but uh well I know I was telling my brother two years ago two years ago I said I hope he's ready to vote for Gavin Nome because that's what it's going to be there's no it wasn't a surprise that Gavin Newsome was going on a world to guys and I'm going to break that here right now just in case everybody we end up telling the truth the future here you can you know take this and you can post this and say at Chad nashon on a random stream called it wouldn't surprise me at all I said two years ago uh to my brother over a Christmas um that get ready for it you know that's what's going to end up happening because but if but if you're worried about if you're worried okay so if if you're one of those people that are worried about like hey Dem say that you're like not Democrat you're a Republican or or libertarian or whatever say that you're one of those people who is your biggest threat to run it's going to be Michelle Obama I'm just going to go and tell you that that that is that is the Trojan Horse for the Democratic party and Gavin Newsome can come run I don't think he will win against Trump probably regardless of whether you love or hate Trump I I don't think Gavin Newsome win I mean you look at California look at you look at what California I mean just look at California I'm somebody that voted for new some when I was living in California and then I voted to recall him so yeah I think that he's got a lot of baggage that comes with him I think uh and that was the reason when I was actually campaigning to I was out there collecting signatures for several months I was uh I guess you could say in between jobs at the time and I was out there collecting signatures of real people and I said the reason why we're doing this is because Gavin Nome is going to try to run for president and I want there to be a blemish when he tries because of all the stuff that he was doing to the state at the time Anyway by the way someone said in in your chat Kennedy what do you think about Kennedy by the way yeah I I like um RFK a lot honestly you know I would vote for him for sure I think that the reality is the Democrats are never going to let him be the guy um just like they didn't let Bernie be the guy you know back uh however many boy almost eight years ago now um because it's a selection process right and because he's outspoken and says what he wants to say and because of his stance on covid and the shots Etc like I think there's no chance to let him be the guy um and then just from a perspective of it's kind of a petty perspective but I think that his voice stuff gets in the way as well sadly I know it's disgusting to say that but true when you're looking at like presidential stuff a lot of it's It's a popularity contest man it's not you know so every little thing matters and these are some of the things why people like Trump because he just speaks off the cuff and he's a guy that people can connect to Etc uh you know with RFK he's like he kind of stutters a little bit and this this is you know as much as it sucks to say you know it it ends up being a strike against him but everything he says is in my opinion on the money yeah and and even uh Vivic I mean I think like I really like Vivic um but you know I don't think they're gonna let him be the nominee either I mean you you could probably see a trump Vivic ticket but I see a trump Carlson ticket person but real quick what I going to say is point before I forget you were talking about because this is really important one about the case is that a lot of people that I go on and I talk to on their podcast they don't do their homework at all right and that's why they get to what you just mentioned where they say oh I could have create that in you know an hour in the Unreal Engine which of course pool cannot do that right not even close and you look at the requirements and evidence this is why I ended up on that podcast talking through the requirements which I don't always talk through on every podcast it just kind of depends on if people start to push back on that I go okay are you sure cuz here's the list of stuff you'd have to know right um just to kind of push back on that but like you go through and you look at all the case and the evidence and this is why like on the podcast I mentioned like well what if these things are fake how come they tell the story of what happened to the plane better than any other story today by wide margin use more evidence than anything else and all you have to do the only thing you have to do is throw out these IMAP hings and if you throw out those IMAP hings this is by far definitely what happened to the plane right and that's that's the difference between a cover up and you know this this narrative that's out there but going back to the the politics stuff which I'm happy to talk about for a few minutes as well is like my opinion of Vivic is there's something off about him right from the beginning I felt like he's a little too produced too polished he's also kind of young I mean I love everything he's saying right and this is just me from a perception perspective right it feels like he's also kind of been selected is the reality that's what it feels like to me versus you look at somebody like Trump and I'll be honest with everybody else I'm not like a huge Trump supporter in any way shape or form um but he comes off as completely honest he says what he thinks right when I look at Vivic it's like I feel like everything he's saying is he's looking at a a sheet that says here's all the things I'm supposed to say right and somebody even caught him on the conspiracy Reddit I was looking at yesterday or two days ago and uh they even caught him where back in you know right after the January 6th event he was saying how he was this is horrible blah blah blah and then yesterday he was saying something about oh you know in completely opposite V right like how it was a detriment it's like he's like kind of flowing with the wind or you know flip-flopping and and blowing With The Wind in that case so um that's my concern with him is that I want to know if he's really genuine about everything he says it it just feels like he's just saying the right things and okay you know maybe that's fine so that's just my opinion well unpopular opinion by the way someone said in your chat they said um let's see what they say they said well well there's one person that said 2024 but uh someone said Vivic if elected watch him change his tune ASAP that's what I'm concerned about y yeah and and by the way I think that's also Nikki Haley like Nikki Haley by the way I don't I don't know if anyone knows this but isn't she WF she was our governor uh where where my wife Sher and I live where where we host our podcast she was our governor um Nikki Alia was our South Carolina governor didn't love her as governor but I mean I thought we were you know she was all right but Trump came out and said hey by the way just uh wait and see how fast she turns against you like she did me and that was a great comment because you know Nikki Haley was uh you know one of one of his girls in in in his administration and uh as soon as everyone went against Trump you know she turned against him um here's unpopular opinion though and I'll just say this and I'm not going to say it's a you bannner or anything else but I will say is that I don't think it matters who we're going to vote for in 2024 yeah I don't I don't I really don't think so I think we are past that I don't think it ever matters in my opinion man and here's but I I think it's beyond I think it's beyond even what you're saying I think it's beyond like I think there is a massive system set up right now to where it does not matter at all whatsoever yeah I I think that they have a potential system that is in place that we you know we don't have a there there is no I look I I I say this on the podcast and this just my opinion um there not facts um but I say that there will never be a pro-american Republican president in office ever again so yeah you can take it from what it's worth yeah it doesn't surprise me and since we're just you know throwing it out there like I probably would uh vote for Trump in a heartbeat if he had fired Anthony fouchy if he had done that I think now looking back I would say I think that in my opinion to somebody just looking the outside in that probably his biggest blender was not doing that um I think that he disenfranchised himself with a lot of people that are probably now on like the RFK bandwagon just to be honest I agree um and yeah if he had done that I think I'd be all in and but reality is my personal opinion is I think Trump's going to win no matter what I think that he beats anybody out there just because one thing I learned from the Obama era real quick um and uh you know I voted for Obama I'll say just out there I did too actually is that it's a lot about like what your momentum is right like you've got this momentum if you can really like pull people and when you see Trump's rallies like it's like wow you know he's got he pulls people um and that's something that I've always felt as a powerful aspect of politics even in in J in companies as well like I even think that that existed with like Tesla where the reason why I would tell people invest in Tesla and uh early mid uh you know 2000 2010 was like people just want it to be successful right and when you want something to be successful it ends up kind of like you said like when you were talking about you know if you say your truth and you follow it you will be successful it's that same kind of idea that's out there and if you come out there and you're lie or you're deceptive or whatever people don't resonate with it I think that applies to all aspects of Life yeah it's it's weird I I I think that most most people you know and and it goes back to this like I think most people want aliens to come invade because of literally because of our our choices we have like most people are just saying look look how screwed up our government is like if aliens come invade like what is the worst case scenario I'm rooting for Alien Invasion honestly at this point although I think it would be a big scop but yeah I'm still rooting for it you know man I wish those Shadow aliens were real and they just invading I'd be sitting there go yes Shadow aliens take over let's end this but but do you realize the psychological aspect of that like the aliens thing do do you realize that the psychological aspect I really believe is because of how screwed our actual people are like people are looking for a savior of some kind like that they're they're literally looking for like the Miami thing which by the way we still don't know what a deal is 100% with the Miami thing we don't I mean I we had some Miami officers that listen to our our podcast and and by the way this guy I can read the message to you if you want me to but he sent us a message and said hey we have some guys that um that want to talk to you about the uh about the Miami thing yeah um and I I have not got back I've not heard back from that but regardless people are desperate like they are they like isn't it sad when people are more desperate for aliens to come invade than they are our Administration and our government oh definitely yeah and I mean I've looked into this stuff now and I'm pretty off the Miami bandwagon stuff I was coming back on to it for a minute but I'm I'm like 99.9% sure now that people are just making up these stories now and because of the you know because they saw oh Ashton got 10 million views and keemstar got 10 million views now they just kind of want to ride the the coattails of it but um yeah I definitely think that there's this idea that you know people just want change right and this even goes again back to Obama back in 2008 is like that's what he was running on you know hope and change and this is why also I think that um generally you find there's a flip back and forth between the parties on different election years we go the Democrat Republican Democrat Republican because everybody just wants change and then I'm old enough to realize we never get change right and this is why I'm just kind of disenfranchised with the system in general is that we always get a new person in there they never have any significant change to the part the politics to the government structure or anything else related to it um and that's why I've kind of just come to this own personal opinion that like it's really more of a selection process and nothing's really going to ever get done there so you know personally Ashton what what do you feel like is the Hope for the people what do you feel like is the Hope for the people yeah I mean the hope for the people in general to me is the technology so this is I was going to do a space and a stream about what does does disclosure mean to people and I wanted just people to come in and tell me what they think disclosure means you know because I think that everybody looks at it differently you got the people that want to clap those alien cheeks you've got the people that want to go fly to another uh solar system right and they just want to get the hell out of here kind of your your point before to me I like at disclosure and to me it's the technology it's the ability to change the circumstances of billions of people on this planet um to me the things that I've been passionate about are helping people and by helping people I mean not having children go to bed hungry um not having there be homeless people with nothing on the streets I personally believe that living on the streets has a mental impact on people uh a negative one and with this technology even with just room temperature super conductivity we can just completely change the circumstances of the whole face of the planet pretty much and then that's just the beginning right I mean talking about flying cars and being able to have computers they 10 a thousand times more powerful than we have have right now being able to teleport different places you know um it's it becomes like Star Trek it it really just becomes like Star Trek at that point by the way Ash I think I think that you're GNA be one of those guys in in in in our time and for those listeners that are listening right now I'm telling you Ashton's gonna be one of these dudes whether you realize it now or not he is going to be one of these guys I don't even want to say why or why I think that but I'm just telling you he's going to be one of these guys and you to have these you got to have these people Ashton is an everyday uh whatever the hell he does I don't even know whatever Ashen does it doesn't matter Ashton is gonna be one of these guys I know Ashton on a pretty good personal level we we text and talk quite a bit and uh I'm just saying that ashen's potentially going to be one of these people that changed the course of our future and Humanity um we have to have people like this and and that's why why um if we don't have people like this that tries to pave A New Path or tries to go against a narrative if we don't ever go against the narrative and pave A New Path we're never going to know anything different anything new we're never going to we're just going to settle for what it is that the government and the the the elites say that we are allowed to know or or believe um and and it's going to be a hard battle by the way it's going to be it it's going to be a very hard battle for those people that go against the grain um but I believe in you Ashton I really do believe in you by the way and and I believe you're smart enough to to make those changes to make those advancements in in our future I think we have people and literally I would even maybe compare you to like an Elon Musk even though Elon Musk obviously he's got rockets and Tesla and all this [ __ ] but but I think you can I think you can be that right and I and I think um but you can be that in a different way um and so when people you know even when people look at Steven Greer you know he's the gri he's this you you have to not just necessarily um discredit him as a grifter you have to look and listen to what he has to say you have to take that into your Consciousness and then you have to apply that to everything else that you know and listen to and hear um there there are some people that may not be completely right I mean no 's perfect right but there are people that you can take all of these different aspects and you can apply that to all of these different theories and things and I think that we can really Advance because in my opinion I think Ashton will agree with me on this um we cannot no longer depend on the government in the United States or any world entity to advance Us in Civilization we are at a cusp of advancing ourselves as Independents as people that that get together we we start understanding learning from each other and that's how we really Advance each other and our biggest battle is the government trying to stop that from happening and ashon I think you know what I'm talking about when I'm saying that um but I'm just saying that I think that that is that is what we have to do um and so to save Humanity how do we save Humanity we have to save Humanity with ourselves we have to we have to connect with each other and we have to figure out ways like if if Government wants to uh lock off scientists from figuring out reverse engineering or this or that they want to you know compartmentalize everything we have to open up all of that um in our Independent Media in our independent um conversations in our independent science um that's how we change the world and I think that uh I think the Ashton inm Street 70 thing um I think that is a huge first step and I also think that's maybe why there's so much backlash so I wanted to point that out as I I I think that I think that one day people are going to look back on this and and and everything you're trying to learn and understand Even in our personal conversations by the way um I think that's I think that's going to be huge I think 10 years from now 15 years from now um people don't necessarily understand it right now now and I think that maybe you will release some information that you have been learning in the background outside of the public realm um but I but I think that people are going to understand that like it is us that determines our future it it is not it is not the the government it is not the powers that be it is us who determines where we go from here because if we Depend and only let the government tell us where we go we go nowhere and and and I think if you look back by the way at history uh it was the people that went against the grain that actually made the biggest changes and the biggest Staples in our history and in our future now yeah and I I'm very proud of you thank you very much sir thank you Chad I I love you guys so much um and I think that you just said some really nice words um you know one thing I would say I get reminded of a lot um a lot of people have said stuff about me that I think is inaccurate but one of the things that I guess I find a little bit offensive as this idea that like I'm full of myself I would say that you know that's definitely not the case I think that a lot of times when people say stuff that people don't want to hear they have this idea that oh that person must be narcissist or whatever but um I think that kim.com told me one thing before he started kind of retweeting all my stuff and boosting uh the message a lot was you know stay humble when you you know make it or whatever and I told them I'm never going to change there's nothing that's going to change me can I'm I'm I'm old enough at this point where like you know who I am is pretty solidified and even if I were even if I were to become president of the United States even if I were to become an Elon Musk with billions of dollars it wouldn't change who I am at all I would still be trying to seek the same exact things as I am as this person you see in front of you here today and this is why I started m370x is that it's about connecting people just what you talked about and we've been talking about politics and stuff that I think is is somewhat divisive of course but the reality is the people that been following this case are of multiple political Persuasions we have people that come from workingclass backgrounds people that come from you know white collar backgrounds people that are very educated people that uh don't have lots of education but we all have the same common purpose and same common goal right is that we are looking at the science to figure out and drive our future forward and how are we doing it we're not doing it through mainstream media channels I've never been on TV never once right I'm just going on alternative media talking to real people and like you said it's you know when they take away your microphone well we create our own Avenue for it and I'll just throw a quick uh thank you to Elon Musk again even though my personal belief is that he's been getting attacked because he took away one of the government's propaganda tools which was Twitter and once he took that away he gave power back to the people and he gave power back to people like us and you know I've been using because I think that this is one of the last avenues that we really have free speech where we can hear real people we don't always have to agree with everything everybody's saying and we're going to see stuff that we don't like to hear that's out there but that's what free speech is all about it's not just all people you agree with all the time right absolutely so I agree I agree Ashton um but listen I I think 2024 is g to be a good year for you I I believe that and and uh by the way there was someone in the chat said says she's a cougar Ashton so I'm just saying I appreciate that keemstar was joking around that I made a joke about one of the the girls that was or ladies let's say women that was mentioning the uh um mentioned the aliens in the Miami thing he's like oh we got to get you set up in a space cuz Ashton's thirsty out there and I just started laughing I love keemstar he just cracks me up man oh he's he's funny he's by the way teamstar has been around for a very long time he he used to commentate all of the YouTube stuff so Logan Paul Paul everything all the drama in YouTube he was huge in there and it's it's kind of funny because we start seeing him now in the UFO space he's trying to he's trying to transition into a YouTube uh news guy and now he transition to a UFO guy um which is kind of interesting but um but either way uh yeah so that's all I have to say Ashen I appreciate you any final thoughts on this we had a little impromptu hard truths here today uh Chad I think it was a good one I may have to edit this and post it up as an official hard truths well the the final thoughts I have uh for everybody is that um look here's the deal we're in 2024 guys and at the end of the day um we have to realize our surroundings we have to look at every every single thing we see um and and I think that we have a opportunity right now I think we have an opportunity to um really harness the information we are giving because I think that in my opinion um probably within six to eight months and I hope I'm wrong by the way by this but I'm saying within 6 to8 months we may not no longer have the opportunity to AR harness the information we are given right now like do you ever do you ever think like when you are healthy for example and you take for granted your healthiness you take for granted your ability to walk to your car to go to the grocery store to go for a walk to go for a run to go do all these things right you take for granted that but but say that you get cancer or say that you get some disease or say that you break your leg or or or or or you even lose your leg and then all of the sudden you're in bed you cannot move you cannot you cannot function normally as a human being anymore and yet just the day before all of this happened you were able to function completely fine but you took for granted that you didn't do all these things that you could have done you didn't go for a walk you didn't you didn't uh harness these abilities that you have as a human being there a normal functioning human being with no health problems but one day it comes along that you no longer have those abilities to do that what we're seeing right now guys what we're seeing in the podcast with our podcast with with with with Ashton's platform his ability to speak his ability to get out his thoughts and his opinions and his evidence um along with our podcast along with this exact stream right now um these are things that are like our health and I understand that you guys are listening to this right now and you're like hey man we're we're harnessing this even though you don't realize you are but you you are getting a a taste of Freedom this is a taste of Freedom hearing a conversation hearing discourse hearing things hearing people talk about things that are not necessarily um granted in the in the realm of the agenda against the in my opinion by the way against a globalist or or for the globalist or New World Order um you have to understand that that can be taken away very fast and I and by the way I feel like it is going to be yeah I feel like regardless of how we see this I think that our ability to do what we're doing right now is no longer going to be able to be done within six to eight months maybe a year maybe I'll give it a year yeah and I hope oh yeah land your point sorry no I'm sorry I'm I'm just saying I hope I'm wrong yeah and so I just want you guys to understand that like your fight is for information and you guys and we say this all the time on our podcast you got to fight man you you got to tell everyone you know like our biggest threat to society and humanity is information um and and if we lose that we lose everything we lose medical Freedom we lose freedom in general we lose uh everything that we ever have known as human beings as being just be able you know just to be able to discourse with other human beings we've already lost a lot of that by the way our last stance here is communication over the internet but once they control the internet then we lose control of our conversation they've already they've already basically stopped human communication because they they have transversed that to now internet communication or digital communication but the reason they have done that is because they want to be able to control that and it's it's so much easier to control digital communication then is in-person physical communication but they have to just they have to stop the physical in-person communication um so now what they want to do is control digital communication they want to control what your narrative and your and your discourse is and so guys don't take for granted what you have and what you're listening to um fight for the people you listen to fight for people like Ashen fight for people that you believe in fight for people that you believe in the message and uh and tell everyone you possibly know about the people that you believe in their message because that's the only way we're going to survive this um we we have to have I always say like how do you fight the the powers of be well you have to tell everyone else that hey this is what we got to this is what we got to listen to We we got to fight for the truth we got to fight for the message and if you can do that man um we have a chance but otherwise we don't yeah no and I think that you know what you're saying there is like don't take your time for granted you know that we have when we have this freedom and don't take your freedoms for granted you know either like these uh you know take it for granted and then it'll be gone before you know it and I think we've seen a lot of them disappear so I agree with everything you're saying Chad and thank you for coming on and talking to me tonight absolutely ashon well man we uh like we we always appreciate you coming on our podcast anyone that listen to us I mean investigate Earth podcast that's our podcast you guys can go check it out and um we have have a lot of good episodes ashon by the way I think we're at what four or five now I think it's four or five yeah I think five even because we had one impromptu as well so we've been having some good conversations and I I look forward to more as well absolutely well guys have a great night um Ashton thank you for having me on and I'll talk to you soon thanks Chad take it easy buddy peace out okay chat there we go that might be hard TRS uh number six there actually uh just realized I wasn't recording in the zoom so we're going to probably have to edit the stream down to pull that out but that was awesome thanks Chad if you're in there and you're still listening um that was awesome you guys can find investigate Earth podcast uh in the pinned chat uh at the top here if you guys want to check it out highly recommend checking it out especially if you like any of those topics that we were just talking about everything from politics to anthropology and history uh science the investigation we've had several Chad and Sherry are awesome awesome really great people to talk to um that was a really fun uh stream that we had here I didn't expect that we would do that that wasn't anything we planned obviously um but I think that's probably a good spot to stop it for tonight um you know I've been uh I'm pretty tired it was a long long weekend um but I want to thank everybody MH 370x you guys have been following along you know as you guys know the only way that we are where we're at is because of all you guys who've been following and watching along um so hopefully I'm doing guys Justice and don't get dissuaded by anything and anybody says that's out there let's you know this is going to be a marathon this is not a Sprint um you know getting to the truth out there what I will say is this too this is what I want to close it with is that we've already accomplished a lot as part of this investigation there's so many people now that just ping me every single time something related to MH370 comes up something related to orbs that come up this is something we've already put out there that's going to resonate right people know now about m370x and they know about this investigation that's out there so don't don't feel like even though there's people that say oh it's been debunked or whatever that we haven't accomplished something even if this was debunked at this point we've already created something that's Everlasting out there you know and we've already started this whole movement around it and this is why like I don't even this stuff doesn't even phase me anymore around it whether or not people believe or not we're just continuing to get the information out there continuing to push the science forward and one day I think we will be Vindicated but even if we aren't even if it just becomes a situation where people talk about it and they go oh yeah wasn't that those videos related to that even then we'll still have accomplished something people are always going to wonder in the back of their mind did three orbs teleport that plane you know and to me that's something really important that's something amazing that I don't think it's ever been done when it comes to community-led investigations like this we already won that's a good way to put it so thank you guys very much and yes I think we'll leave it at that for tonight but guys tomorrow you know there'll be another stream tomorrow and we're going to talk about more stuff we're going to get back into the investigation I've got like five articles already to go through tomorrow that have to do with stuff like Maas Chang remote controlling airplanes as well as a lot more conspiracy angles that are out there a lot of people speculate something happened to this plane guys and we'll dig more into it can't wait to talk to you guys again