MH370x UFOTwitter Week Space

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# MH370x UFOTwitter Week Space quality content of you going on podcasts and such um and it's cool to see you sort of uh on this on this journey of someone with like 30 something 38 was it maybe um followers when I first met you um and it was really cool that I I got to meet you right as you kind of entered the wonderful world of UFO Twitter which is can be a little stressful at times but it's also very exciting it's not never boring I suppose and uh and then to you know to see this kind of mission you know that your dedication to the research and to sharing uh it with the world um it's it's I mean I find it quite fascinating anyway and uh and ashon do you need some time to set up your stream I don't want to I think we're good to go I was just should be going oh yeah it looks like we're good here uh so I think so I'm I'm going to double check but you guys you can start I was actually going to I had to leave your stream yesterday a little bit early with uh Steve Basset how did that end up in um with with him how do you enjoy that give me your feedback I mean you know it was like the most glitchy uh space ever uh but I was you know it was really great considering I feel like there was the feedback at least my experience you know me wanting to represent uh someone I respect so much well and uh to you know to to represent the UFO Twitter Community um you know um well um it was not an ideal scenario to be the you know pulling all the levers trying to keep things going um but uh you know and and like ideally you know a lot of people showed up um you know out of out of interest in in Steve's you know amazing career and um you know I yeah I'm a filmmaker editor among other things so you know I wish I could I wish this app would let me like cut it like edit out the the parts with silence you know just to to hear the the beautifully coherent Vision that Steve was you know doing such a great job of explaining but um but it was cool to to have you know all kinds of people have a chance to ask them all those questions um and you know and I love to hear the way he responds to things because he he to me has this really great combination of um of optimism and and sort of grounded realism based on his years of research and being on the ground especially in the sort of political disclosure process and it does seem to be lining up with all the other research I've been doing as well so um yeah apart from the technical side it went really awesome I think yeah I I think that uh you know maybe this is a good spot to start with it because I think today's space I want to keep a little bit more where people can ask questions about the case and what's going on with it you know I've done enough podcast and stuff where we've gone over all the facts and details but of course if people have questions about them I want to answer them uh but one thing I wanted to bring up was you know the question that I asked there was a little bit koi to Ste to uh Mr Basset was about the technology you know I think that a lot of people as well they have this very optimistic approach to what the technology in disclosure really means right and I say this a lot in the spaces is that with nuclear energy comes nuclear bombs with energy that can is fully green free energy stuff like that Comes potential doomsday weapons that are well beyond anything that we have today um you know and I think it's actually star Captain here who's on our space right now gave me the great idea of talking about like warped nukes right so even if you don't Advance the technology even more than what we just see in MH370 videos just the ability to warp a nuclear weapon is essentially Unstoppable right and that's extremely dangerous uh and so we have to be very responsible about the technology that we see and that we uncover and disclosure to realize that you know with this come some very dangerous side effects and so I can even understand why that theoretically the government would want to hide this information right but that's MH370 on those videos so if they really wanted to keep keep it hidden they should not have disappeared a passenger plane covered it up with a fake conspiracy vilified all these people discredited all these Witnesses right so now it's coming out and that means for us we just need to be very responsible with with that information with that technology yeah yeah yeah beautifully put um it um does appear to be uh and someone please correct me if I'm wrong you know the the most compelling at least you know evidence uh uh I'd like to say for for free energy um are there other examples of that we can include I mean there's a lot of documents and uh and things suggesting it but you know nothing uh visually that that depicts it especially in such a in absurdly dramatic fashion in terms of you know involving this the most famous you know the most mysterious and famous uh Missing aircraft in history as well so I mean this one definitely Takes the Cake I guess but are there any other examples of that that You' point to of what sorry can you clarify oh uh of potential evidence of of this technology we're describing of free energy and whatever else might be going on here I mean I'm sure that if you look throughout ufology there's certainly things that we can find similarities you know I get sent them all the time but with respect to the strength of the evidence I don't think I've seen anything as strong as evidence that we've seen in the MH370 case uh with respect to the videos that we see and on my stream I'll pull them up in a little bit here uh we have two different cameras that are the most highly the most you know um Advanced cameras probably uh that are possible in 2014 they're both filming the same event from two different angles and they both show exactly the same thing you know and they're really up close at least one of them is one of them is from outer space theoretically but it's very very Advanced so I personally haven't seen anything about that high quality if there are other things that are out there other videos then I would absolutely love to see them and people have sent me some good stuff in general uh Hey red glad to have you here what's on your mind buddy how's everyone Duran happy UFO Twitter week but uh I was gonna say two things actually there's this one video from the a ship that I saw that I wanted to get Ashton's take on about the alleged event but firstly I don't know did y were yall in the uh sha kill space I uh I asked him about this case and I found his answer pretty interesting so I'm going to try and find it here somebody sent me something about him actually weird that's so weird you brought that up yeah I was listening to it it was really fascinating and I and I was I was kind of exhausted and and in the bathtub and my hands were a little soapy but I was actually you know about to ask pretty much the same question that you did Mr before we maybe go into that if you want to hold that real quick that thought I think I'd like to just go through what my theory is right now on the situation and I have a flight path up on my video you guys can also follow if you want to watch live uh on my YouTube channel which is just YouTube same at just X Aston you can find us that we're live over there right now um I also have the chat going there although I just realized I have the chat hidden over here so the this plane takes off from qual lumur it's headed to Beijing it takes off at 1642 UTC now we talk about in UTC terms because it's easier to understand all the time frames that are happening keep it straight so about 40 minutes this plane is flying Northeast it gets over the South China Sea South China Sea is very well known right now in terms of being very contested between China and the United States and at 1721 this plane goes dark that's 64 seconds after the last communication there's no alarms in the communication now we believe that what happened here is a lithium ion battery fire and the reason why there might not be alarms is that you're not going to hear anything until this these lithium ion batteries explode this plane has too 121 kg half of it split to the front half of it split to the back if you believe the official report in terms of where they were there is a witness Mike McKay he's sitting out on an oil rig 300 miles Northeast and those oil rigs are really high up so he can see really far he sees the plane on fire realize this is 1: in the morning so it's pitch black probably his sighting is misreported has supposedly seen the plane crash he says he did not see the plane crash he just saw it on fire at the same time there's nine different people that all report really loud noises from the coastline which again sound carries over water so these people hear this really loud noise probably consistent with the explosion of lithium ion batteries nine of them now this plane turns around so 10 minutes later this plane is flying line very low and it's turned around it's going directly at panang Lan International Airport the wired article that actually argues for a fire scenario argues that this is the correct airport to go to So This Plane turns around goes directly to the nearest airport where it can accommodate an emergency 777 situation 10 minutes later 1730 UTC these fishermen all see this plane flying very low this indicates that there was potentially a depressurization although it's quite the opposite of the official narrative that tries to blame the pilot cuz if you're trying to exate all the passengers you're not going to fly low enough to give them enough oxygen they in order to keep these passengers alive with enough oxygen you need to fly under 10,000 ft potentially even lower otherwise they are going to potentially ex exate from hypoxia at the same exact time there's a communication that's received by another 777 that's headed to Tokyo they hear static and they hear the sound of what they claim is the P the co-pilot or the pilot so this actually cast doubt as to whether or not the communications were really off so this is a very important piece of information now the plane continues to fly over Mainland Malaysia which is a peninsula there were some reports which I haven't dug into it to confirm because this is like res there's people that live out there that theoretically saw this plane flying pretty low as well which would corre rorate even more that this plane wasn't going up and down like these radar data says it was just going in a straight shot low enough where people would be able to breathe it gets to panang at 1752 UTC this is 30 minutes after the plane goes dark pretty quickly for whatever reason it doesn't land now one thing here is that the co-pilot's cell phone pings a local cell phone tower so it was probably low enough that they were able to Ping a cell phone tower really important information now if you look at the flight manual for what you're supposed to do in an emergency situation first thing is try to get this plane on the ground as fast as possible but we know they didn't so I think we can safely assume there was something wrong with the landing gear maybe even the fire began with the landing gear like the wired article argues wired article says that the tires might have heated up so much that they burst into flames maybe that set off a chain reaction 40 minutes later after the plane takes off that ignites the batteries that's theoretical speculative whatever happened they couldn't land here the next thing it says to do if you can't land safely with your landing gear is you should try to land on your belly now the problem with trying to land on the belly on the land is that this plane is filled with six more hours of fuel so this thing is loaded up with fuel if you try to land with that much fuel you're going to explode everybody's going to die so it says that okay you you should try to dump the fuel but if you try to dump the fuel while your plan's on fire that also does not seem like a really good idea I actually read some reports about planes dumping Fuel and covering children in kerosene it doesn't seem like it's very safe in general um so most likely what happened here is they were unable to dump the fuel either now the next thing you're supposed to do is land in the ocean so what does the plane do it goes over panang and it goes out into the ocean now potentially this plane at this point had communication with the US government and they had a rendevu point set up because otherwise you would probably just land in the ocean right near the airport but instead it goes all the way out to the nicobar islands now keep in mind Landing in the ocean that's not a safe bet either so Landing in the oceans not like Landing in the Hudson River like suly solenberger did Su the Hudson river is very narrow it's the waves are not not nearly as volatile as in the ocean so if this plane lands in the ocean even on a controlled descent it's going to break apart probably going to sink pretty quickly and all the people potentially are going to have a hard time because it's middle of the night at this point we're looking at 2 in the morning the sun is down the Moon is down there's no light that's been corroborated as well by a witness so they they argue or that the official data says they lose track of the plane at 1822 UTC which is 230 mi into the malaka Straits off of panang going Northwest interestingly enough this is not what the reports of the next day said they waited weeks to release this Rad Radar data and it was very sketchy people did not trust the radar data the next day what people were saying is that this plane went dark at 1840 UTC which is the time time that our boat with the witness on it sees the plane this is also the time where the plane supposedly turns into the South Indian Ocean and the location where it supposedly turns into the South Indian Ocean this is also within 3 minutes of an intercepted communication only reported in Chinese news that says this plane was disintegrating and an attempting emergency landing this is consistent with our event that we've uh speculated on here with so far all of the witnesses Catherine T sees this plane while on a boat she doesn't know what she's looking at she sees an orange glowing plane at first she thinks it's a missile but then she can see into the uh cockpit and she can see that this is actually a plane it doesn't have any navigation lights which indicates that potentially the power is out this also cast out in the official story that somehow this plane reconnected uh in terms of the power most likely it never did especially not if it was a fire scenario also keep in mind in the fire scenario this plane is not lasting 8 hours or whatever they claim this plane lasted into the South Indian Ocean it's actually a miracle that even lasts an hour and 20 minutes and what that would mean is they had to be fight fighting the fire consistently and so if they are fighting this fire consistently all this Hon gas that they use is creating this bromine chemical that's causing the orange glow to permeate throughout the whole plane the orange glow is consistent with the fire scenario as well so C Tes and she actually reported to me that this plane was already low when she first saw it it was not at cruising altitude again consistent with all the witnesses and what they stated in consistent with the pilot trying to save the plane not trying to kill everybody on the plane she sees it actually descending which again is consistent with our videos our videos show the plane descending it also is in the same direction of travel counterclockwise turn in both their sighting that was actually reconfirmed by the GPS in her boat as well as what we see in the the videos as well as the official flight path so we have multiple sources that show that this plane would be in the same right location at the right time not just that we were able to track USA 229 with its sister satellite officially classified as debris in the right location to send the satellite data that we need to send to the cers system to be able to create our quote unquote satellite video at the time of that also 1840 UTC so we have a ton of corroborating data that says our videos all happen here where the witness's boat is essentially so this is in our nicobar Islands in addition to that the Drone that we see was most likely dispatched from one of the Islands nearby there's a base there and that base let me see if I can pull it up for the people who are watching that base theoretically had these drones there we found some other cating evidence that that that the drones might potentially be there so I'm going to open this in a browser for the people who are watching and that's the vo Vex base location and this is a joint India and US base in the Indian Ocean here interestingly enough you draw a line from that base to our location it's at basically the same direction at which we see our drone taking the video from the north so this is another angle of corroboration for our whole story here so very interesting how much evidence we have for it and then in our video we see these orbs circling around the plane they're far too exact to be manually piloted and we see them doing a pattern that's encircling the plane halfway through or some what time through this we see the the pattern change and they begin to circle the plane in a ring formation vertically about 10 seconds later zap the plane is gone now what we think is happening here is and I I hope I'm still saying this correctly macroscopic decoherence some people have argued it's macroscopic coherence the idea is that they're theoretically these orbs are showing super conductive properties they are negating the force of gravity entirely by having their Mass reduced a lot of this comes down to mass reduction they're creating a field what we're seeing is not a solid orb it's a field around something and then combin and I'm going to ask salvator Pas this tomorrow they are doing something that's essentially allowing the same type of mechanism to happen to the plane where they're allowing a Quantum state of a solid object and that Quantum state is allowing for that object to decohere to revert to a wave function to speed up if its mass is reduced the time increases for it time moves faster therefore it can speed up faster think of like Quicksilver from the X-Men movies right that's kind of what's happening to our plane here and that's allowing it to teleport move the speed of light now keep in mind cameras are just pictures that are stacked on top of each other based on the frame rate if the frame rate's not fast enough then we can't see the plane in real life you might see uh some type of red shifting effect so where did the plane go we don't necessarily know but I'll open it up to questions and we'll just talk about this incident I want to hear your your guys thoughts I want to hear what Melo thinks and just answer questions for you guys for you know next hour hour and a half however long you guys have stuff well you know I think it's a very perfectly fitting together narrative and it's it's quite exciting to have uh you know been had the pleasure of knowing you from your early Twitter days uh till now because um i' I've sort of seen piece by piece how these things do really fit together um doesn't mean I'm a scientist that can validate it 100% but um I think it's um brilliant but um Mr and what's on your mind so I have two actually kind of three things but two things first uh in the nest I put this video that is allegedly supposed to be from the um ocean view of I think just the contrails I think it's after the fact that part of me thinks that that really for a second you could see a little bit but they like pan around and I love the Ashton's um streaming right now too have you seen this video Ashton and do you have any thoughts on it sorry let me look I don't try to figure how to make the nest work I put it in the nest and it's in the comments down here it say the title of the video is Malaysia Flight 370 UFO alien and uh what's interesting about this video too is the uh the date it was uploaded was also uh I found interesting yeah so here's my problem with this I've seen certain accounts post this and try to get me to post it the problem is our videos happen at 2:40 in the morning this you can see Sunrise right so these smoke trails are not going to last that long in the sky so most likely this is not actually tied to to our videos and that's why we have to be very careful about tying evidence is that we need if somehow our videos were happening in the morning this could potentially be it but there's nothing in these videos that directly gives us corroboration it's just a trail that ends and it actually looks like contrails that are high enough in the sky keep in mind ours are also relatively low so we're seeing these um cumulus clouds in our videos which show that it's potentially between 1,000 and 5,000 ft which are really low so could it possibly but I don't find enough corroboration to accurately link it to our videos at this point but I you know sharing it still you know I appreciate any and all evidence and willing to look at it all so thanks for sharing that Panda cool yeah I'm I'm still I still kind of got an open book with I'll see I'm gonna look into it more for myself and then here's uh what I asked Sean kahill earlier about this and I found his response pretty interesting uh let's see all oh yeah so Sean K Hill he's a he was actually a a wit well I still consider this a witness he was a witness to the nits events he didn't see the Tic Tac but he was on I think might have been the Princeton or something like that and um he allegedly is the one who I think Kevin Day like reported it to at some point so he and I like the way he phrased it today too he was a witness of his chain of commands re response to this event the 2004 Tic Tac event which I think is like that's all valuable information right when you're building a whole picture of something um so he's part of that and then he's also kind of part of the for better or worse like rollout group you know what I mean and lately he's kind of embraced more of the wo side of things okay but um like he is close with Lou alzando uh he you see him on the news all the time kind of talking about this stuff every now then whenever something breaks or something you know he's kind of one of the uh onand pundits for uh a lot of this stuff so that's who that is um so he's kind of like oh and also he was in the Navy right so he saw the Tic Tac event he was on search and rescue and he actually retired in 2015 so I asked him about this case from his perspective back then and then also about like the reemergence of his video these videos and the thoughts on that and uh it's pretty interesting so that's the background on him and let's get to the clip and the same with dreams and I'll end on change positive change so they do so by building it's not just me um using it itself there is end of time I'm questions um I think it was Panda next then Paul then Shane hello everyone Great Space Holly Stone doing a good job thank you Sean for being here uh appreciate what you guys have done say you know there's no denying like from 2017 to now things are very different might not agreed with everything along the way uh and thank you for your service and my question kind of leans into that because you were in the Navy from what uh 95 to 2015 is what it says online is that accurate it's G be really cool thank you for your service and then so yeah me and a bunch of other people on you Twitter are pretty into the are the resurfacing of the whole MH370 anomalous disappearance and I'm curious about your take on one The Disappearance of the plane back in 2014 when you were still active and then your take on the the emergence of these videos that were posted in uh 2014 thank you so um I've been involved with search and rescue before for folks that have fallen overboard and for aircraft they been lost to se or or ships that have have founded um it's it's a scary experience for all involved um we lost someone in the Persian Gulf over the side and one thing that was amazing was to see almost every Maritime force in in the a in the area of responsibility which was the Persian Gulf stop what they were doing and and go into search and rescue so we're talking Iranian Navy irgc which is their their hokey Coast Guard that messes with with a self time Karis Andes you name it anybody that had a boat was helping us and it was amazing so moving to um I I can never MH what was the the whole Des 37 right okay so that that supicious that whole thing is obviously it's a mystery okay and um the search and resue rescue efforts seen were incredibly disappointing I think all of a su that our technology and our our pardon our surveillance capability have been able to pinpoint that and give the some Solace and I think that we also know that it seems that the United States govern to share their technological abilities um beyond that getting to the what the meat of what you're talking about I have not been able and I'm and I'm open to hearing from anybody but in my own research I I took a detour off of that because I wasn't able to verify that the data we were looking at was from the systems or or from systems that are that are in the in the mix so I kind of got off the freeway on that but I looked at those videos and I analyzed them in in the manner that I'm able to with the technology I have and I did find some very interesting things going on with temperature um I thought that if it was edited in CGI someone was very knowledgeable and had read a lot of the dirds and other reports um or data from Bigalow or other people so I find it very confusing and I've kind of stayed out of the mix to be honest with you that's supicious answer really so yeah that was his response that was pretty interesting yeah that's uh huh that's an interesting response there so what's your take on it yeah I think the thing about he says about the temperature is pretty weird um because I think he's obviously referring to the thermal video right and he's talking about the zap being cold and that for sure and that's definitely what he's talking about there um and the reason why he's talking about that is cuz that's a black hole that we're seeing there um and I'm at this point like 100% sure that's what we're looking at there because I was listening to The Theory of Everything podcast earlier today with Salvatore pasus and he actually mentions that with high enough energies it would create a black hole and it would create a void in the uh empty vacuum state so I think his answer is a little bit koi there if he's somebody who's involved in search and rescue he's going to exactly know what these assets look like right and potentially he's going to know what these satellite assets look like keep in mind he's going to be under an NDA he can't speak about it at all especially not the satellite capabilities so that answer to me spoke to that I think too right in the beginning when he was like uh the US didn't really disclose all of its technological capabilities that could have helped find it or something like that that's kind of the vibe I got there yeah he said that they should have been able to see it right and I at the same time on my stream is playing the video it's like yeah not no duh they should have been able to see it we're staring at it on two videos right and one of them is literally a satellite video so I think that he knows more than he's letting on there for sure uh most likely that's as close as we can get from somebody who has an NDA to basically authenticate that those videos are real um and at this point I'm you know 100% sure that they are so I think that's a pretty interesting response and I think the fact that he said he was staying away from it is also a very interesting response right because we've seen that from a lot of people nobody wants to touch these and if they were fake everyone would be all over them I mean look at how much fake stuff people are pushing or stuff that let's not call it fake but let's call it questionably real and people have no issue pushing it or promoting it talking about it right all these UFO disclosure people are all avoiding these videos uh you know to me that's quite telling uh so that's a really interesting uh point that or kind of just clip that you brought up there Panda I appreciate that I actually got text messaged about this clip as well and now I know that's where it came from um so let me just while we can take another question I'm going to pull up that text message because now I'm curious if there's any additional context that I potentially missed yeah yeah it was cool to be there I was going to do a followup but like I said my my hands were a little soapy in the bath but yeah I'm so glad Panda asked that so effectively in the and and the uh response was so revelatory um and uh hey we got uh money Penny I don't know if this is my first time meeting you but I'm really glad to have you here um what's what are you thinking at this time uh wow this is great um I'm from the UK I'm a former BBC uh journalist so uh my investigative juices I've really uh really got going on this um and I am in no way technically Adept and able to question the intricacies of of the different videos and the uh uh the technical aspects of this um I I'm going to prioritize my question because I could be here for hours but at the macro level um the first question we all have to ask ourselves is why who is behind this why Malaysia why m370 was it something to do with the passengers I've watched so many now documentaries I don't know which one I'm referring to but there is one that talks about Russia and Ukraine and turkistan and there is another that refers quite interestingly to another plane disappearance uh this was F-15 uh fighter jets Japanese ones that disappeared into nowhere um I'm just trying to get the date up for you uh 11th of August 2020 was the uh report um I want to know a little bit more about the islands where the US military bases are are very close to this and I'd love to know Ashton's call not on the tech but on the big picture is this a military strategy where an exercise was created using uh military stealth not only the satellites to do the tracking but perhaps the drones or some sort of uh other flight capability we're talking about a lot of reverse engineering on alien crafter has come into um discussion of late um what do you think it is ashon why is this uh um something that might be connected to the American Military and do you believe that's what it is yeah great questions money peny thanks for being on here glad that you we have someone who has your level of prestige on here so first thing I would address is the points you said about the documentary you were actually speaking about Jeff wise's theory that the planing went to Russia uh there's no evidence of that whatsoever the problem with that theory mainly is that there would be so many radar systems that would have seen it if it flew to Russia pretty conclusively rules that out in general and we're not going to cover up for Russia either if Russia was the one to take it um what we see in our videos here are both American assets that are filming this we're seeing the cers system which is the space-based infrared system and that is essentially like a Google Earth video playback that nobody before seeing these videos knew was possible satellite technology from the United States is some of the most uh closely held guard Secrets the person that leaked these was facing life in prison over this um the second one is an mq1 C Great Eagle also another us asset with a very atlan Advanced Electro IR camera the Drone is made by General atomics the camera is mostly made most likely made by Ron it has a colorized thermal that's been added over the top of it indicating that the person that leaked this is most likely an operator they had to have the knowledge base to turn the Fleer footage into the thermal version uh based on the dates that we see in the videos it says received March 12th 2014 on the satellite video that's 4 days after the event this builds a psychological profile we can also tell that the HUD dat has been removed the satellite is cropped to only show the plane and we know that because we can see the mouse move off the top of the right and the bottom left of the screen we are able to show with the Mouse frames per second 24 frames per second versus the background of the satellite six frames per second that what we're looking at is a citric session that was logged into the actual Intel spy satellite database we can also tell that we're looking at a screen recording this is not somebody recording with a camera behind them or even their cell phone they most likely did this because they needed absolute proof for people to take it seriously and we still didn't take it seriously back in 2014 we're looking I'm right now on my stream looking at the archive footage right in front of me and it goes back to 2014 for sure a lot of people including myself saw one of these videos videos in 2014 before they had been deleted and they've been out there available to find if you if you were so inclined so to your point the reason why people like Jeff wise Florence dangi who I've talked to who's a very intelligent woman the reason why they knew something was a Miss is that a 777 can't crash into the ocean without leaving a debris field that's the biggest and strongest evidence for why the official narratives are simply a lie is that even on a controlled descent like I talked about in that flight path this plane is going to crash apart into tons of pieces there's going to be bodies there's going to be luggage there's going to be parts of the plane floating all over and it's going to spread out into a huge debris field especially in the water this would have been visible from space for days and we showed that the US has satellites everywhere we would have seen it the very next day so we can cast so much doubt on the official narrative even just today I reported that there was no black boxes found they searched all along the seventh Arc for these black boxes they should have been able to find the black boxes easily there was multiple systems that should have heard it crash into the ocean the Sosa system the same one that heard the Titan sub pop that same system existed back in 2014 it should have heard the plane crash into the ocean they should have pinpointed it exact location immediately didn't hear anything two hydrophone systems also didn't hear anything Western Australia has hydrophone system Diego Garcia also hydrophone system they also heard no plane crash into the ocean and at least down the southern Indian Ocean or anywhere as far as we know Indonesia has a radar system and Australia has the Jordan radar system both would have seen the plane go into the South Indian Ocean neither did 19 families of the victim signed statement saying they could call the cell phones for up to four days of the passengers 19 of them not just one or two 19 one person proved it on on television we showed the video on my on my Twitter several weeks ago the southern Indi ocean is an active shipping route from Africa to Australia they have this plane crashing in the early morning where the Sun is up at 8:00 in the morning local time no Witnesses at all saw this plane anywhere over there no Witnesses on this active shipping route saw any debris field anywhere the official narrative right away was that somehow this plane did a Swan Dive perfect Swan Dive Into the Water and that's how it somehow didn't break up which doesn't make any sense and ended up being changed later on while after the story had gone cold and they claim no it didn't go directly into the water it was at a 14° angle okay well it would have broken up then and there would have been debris everywhere one more thing I'll do just for you money Penny is I'll go into the debris because the next thing I everybody asked well what about the debris that was found no debris was found by the official search which was the most expensive and extensive in history the official search found nothing not one single piece the debris that was found was found by Third parties most of it was found by blae Gibson which was also from the Netflix documentary people actually tried to cast doubt on him claim he's some kind of agent Jeff wise tried to claim he was working for Russia or something like that I don't the impression I got from him is he's just a normal guy so the debris is actually fully consistent with the story that I've put forth that there was a lithium ion battery fire and this plane was quote unquote disintegrating falling apart there's only a tiny amount of debris if you add it all up together and there's a CNN picture that you can look at it's less than 1% of the whole plane it's essentially nothing in addition to that some of the debris had burn marks on it and that just got totally dismissed as well so we've got 10 15 witnesses that all have are adding up to a lithium ion battery scenario and we've got burn marks on some of the debris that washed up and a b77 fire suppression device washed up on the malds and then if you look at that b77 fire suppression device there's even serial number on it you can actually see it washed up like a few weeks later the mald was intentionally excluded from the search they just said nope you're not involved in the search never looked into that device even though it probably could have been directly linked to MH370 especially in a fire scenario you could see how if they had to pull these things down and manually deploy some of these fire extinguishing devices you could imagine how one of these might get into the water somehow the flaperon which is the piece that essentially quieted everybody it's missing its unique serial plate this is a plate that's bolted on to the flapper on and it's just missing they matched it to a non-unique serial number and the media doesn't even talk about that you can Google it and you can find out for yourself I just find a lot of this to be very suspicious the Barnacle growth on a lot of these pieces highly contested didn't have enough Barnacle growth for it to be in the water long enough and there's an equivalent plane there an exact match of MH370 a 9M MRK that was scrapped in 2013 decades too early purchased by GA Telesis in October of 2013 so there's plenty of evidence that either the debris is from MH370 cons consistent with this fire teleportation scenario that we see or that it's not MH370 at all but if it's teleportation that we see they could have just taken the plane apart and thrown some debris in the water no problem now with respect to what you're asking about the whose technology is it to me you have to go back to the people filming it right it's the US government it's not some third party that's doing this right the US government's not is definitely tracking a rogue 777 in a n post 911 World we've shown that they have the satellite light directly over the top of the flight path in nicobar islands and we use amateur uh trajectories which are very accurate to prove that as well with USA 229 sent up in 2011 there's too much intent around it the Drone can't catch up to a 777 it had to have intercepted it they're filming before the orbs even show up in the video so they either got super lucky and were just filming this like hey let's throw all our intelligence assets and stare at this plane oh look some orbs just showed up sweet or it's a US operation and they knew exactly what was going to happen even from filming it there's intent in the thermal the Drone video they're not automatically they're not using the automatic tracking of the plane they're actually manually tracking it someone's like actually moving the video around that's why it moves out of frame they zoom in on it to get a really good close look at it and then right before the black hole the zap they zoom out like they frame the video nobody panics when the plane disappears they just kind of zoom out and move the camera slightly I mean if it's me and I'm watching a plane disappear I'm moving that thing everywhere and I'm trying to figure out what just happened right so does that answer most of your questions is that personally I'm very confident that what we're looking at here is reverse engineered technology we can actually explain all the science too it's taken weeks but it's mostly all explained by room temperature superc conductivity and room temperature super conductivity will change everything about the whole world it can even enable the black hole that we see produce high levels of energy Dr or Sal T Pas who's come up with these patents I just listened to his podcast that he had with Theory of Everything and he essentially says that yes this superc conductivity can produce these extremely high levels of energy that are required to even produce the black hole that we see there and it's all explained by mass reduction this is what's been held back from the public I've been told Congress has real scientific papers that unify Quant and macro and I've looked at salvator's p uh paper that I posted on my Twitter called the Super Force and in my opinion it also unifies Quant and macro but the missing link is that they're not showing is this Mass reduction is that if you can reduce your mass to zero using let's say this energy shell that we see around these orbs then you can defy gravity and then you can also use that super conductivity to create your own geodesics your own gravity that allows them to pull forward while ignoring gravity this is the missing link here you create a shell around the plane as well using the orbs which we think about they're doing is they're tracking the plane if you watch them they're creating this sphere around the plane my guess is you're doing Advanced AI to collect enough information to say okay how big does the sphere have to be around the plane you force this huge amount of energy create an electromagnetic double-sided barrier around the plane and then you reduce its mass to zero reduce the mass to zero now the plane can go infinite speed light speed maybe even Beyond light speed so we can explain everything even from a scientific perspective yes it's Advanced science that's not available to the public but it doesn't require non-human intelligence to happen now the last thing I'll say and I'll let you guys jump in because I was just kind of going on my little rant here is that I don't care what people want to believe right if people want to believe that that's non-human intelligence it's too hard I don't blame them at all took me weeks to come to terms with that this might not be non-human intelligence and I actually think it's potentially harder to believe that it's our technology and that we can be this secretly Advanced and that's why my argument is that it must be from reverse engineering um but there's a lot of implications that come with that is if that's the case how long have we been reverse engineering this stuff how much of the technology that we're using that I'm using right now computer Etc comes from reverse engineering you know we do know that we know that um thank you for that long explanation and I don't want to take up time but very briefly there's an investigative journalist called Ross cart uh he wrote a book in plain site um I'm not sure if you're familiar with him but his book extensively looks at reverse engineering he in and a lot of admissions that were made in 2020 by the US Department of Defense um I'm looking at his book and what he said and what you've shown and I think there's quite a lot of correlation there thank you for what you've done I don't want to hold up the time um but if you did have time I would love to ask more questions at some point thank you please keep asking questions we're glad to have you here yeah 100% And if I don't know I can't see if there's hands up but we can either cycle back to you I I definitely want to hear more questions from you yeah go ahead go with the others and uh if this time I am familiar with Ross Kart what I would say too though is that what we need to be careful of in general is if this is true then most likely the government is slow dripping the information to the public what people talk about is an acclamation process because this is too much information for people to just take in I mean even a lot of my family members simply cannot accept the information that's being presented right it's so contrary to what we're told on TV and by mainstream media in general uh even academics just can't accept because it says that they've been lied to about what's really possible in this earth and you know so I think that if there is an acclamation process then we really have to question okay are the people that are feeding us the information are they feeding us everything they know or are they just feeding us little by little right and so we have to be very careful if that is the case if this is true who we trust and look at their actions so when you see what I'm doing here and exposing it you can see there's a very methodical approach we're approaching from a scientific perspective I'm not uh you know trickling any information out I'm just giving it out as fast as I get it I'm giving you the whole information like if you're watching my stream right now I have my list of evidence up here that I've been working on for several days it's 17 pages long right and it's all there for the public and for people to read themselves so if you compare that to people who are out there and telling you okay wait next week until the big announcement right you can see that there's quite a bit of a difference in terms of intention in terms of disclosing information so all I would say is be cautious of what you believe and who it comes from but yeah good questions yeah a really great question and just a personal statement on on all that which is very relevant um you know I'm involved in in trying to to just help facilitate the uh the natural disclosure process and I and I respect people for you know all those working hard in government to to make this happen over the years um and you know is my just personal belief that the world is is a you know ready for for the whole thing uh I mean I don't know what the whole thing is but at least you know the whole truth in terms of uh what's been going on in terms of what humans have been able to figure out so far so my intentions are to to assist in this disclosure process in a constructive way uh but I'm just one little person and that's me Mr Panda I'm sorry Beno you haven't you haven't had a chance yet great to see you Beno what's what's your question sir yeah hi great space and uh first of all I just want to thank Ashton for all the hard work that he's done the time he's given talking he shows as a listener on my thing um yes I can can you hear me Panda I can I can hear him up and down yeah we're recycling you buddy apologies so yeah first of all thanks to Ashton and thank you very much for sharing with us your research um I think we're very lucky to be able to to be priview to that um I guess uh you know it's this is something I've grappled with since you bought this of uh this perspective to this community um I think from near and close to day one I've followed your account and you've impressed me all the way along um it is scary to put on the H that that this is real um but what's compelling is the evidence you presented to say that this video is real um just even alone just the dates um how when it was released uh how how quickly was released after the plane went missing um I kind of look at intent as well and I kind of feel like that um that perhaps if this is not a deep state fake and this is genuine uh what you see is what you get video which I'm compelled to believe it is um then it almost there's a notion there that the person who released it um because at the time when I remember like it was yesterday there's a lot of heightened emotion and I think it would have been done as a good thing like perhaps to you know give perhaps in a roundabout wave and perhaps some sort of closure but I I find it difficult to sort of come across to the side that that it's out Tech that's just my my personal sort of persuasion on it um I kind of feel like we're bystanders in this perhaps and I think there were multiple assets that were probably used um to track this plane when it did go off course um and I believe that I guess it would be in the interest of the person that released the footage um not to release 6 hours worth of them tracking it perhaps but the most poyant part which was I guess the the finale where you know it disappeared um recently 60 Minutes did a MH 370 anniversary special and in that they interviewed um some uh amateur radio enthusiasts and they essentially create a good argument also to say well they don't say that it crashed I mean let the logic tell them that's where it crashed because that's what you think planes do right so but essentially they they've given coordinates which were a little bit different off the arc from the original search area um does the satellite um coordinates that that that you've established do they match do they mirror that those coordinates or have you have you sort of listened to those interviews with with those other gentlemen that that claim that they've sort of triangulated the the the the last signal I guess you could say from the radio waves that they interpreted from their research and they line up if you don't mind me asking no good question so I think we're probably talking about Richard Godfrey and that's his whisper R data and uh that was actually the first data I looked at so this investigation is systematically only ruled out data after we've looked at it and found there's no credibility to it essentially and the Whisperer out data was highly contested even right away because the argument that I would give in my earlier SPAC is it's like trying to track uh somebody in a white shirt in a sea of white shirts so it's kind of like piecing together data but only if the rest of your data is accurate so if those iMat pings are accurate after 1840 UTC which I've looked at them and there's definitely a huge anomaly at 1840 UTC I think that very few people have actually looked at the ual iMat pings honestly a lot of people talk about them but they don't really actually go look at them uh if that is real though then what they're trying to do is they're trying to recreate a flight path using this like radar pings that hit these various airports and locations and the problem with that is that looking at I looked through all 300 pages of the whisper route uh and there's definitely sometimes where like they didn't have detections and they're just guessing right and they're trying to piece together this game of telephone now the problem is the moment you have one thing that's wrong now your whole routes just a guess right ultimately at the end of the day they've looked at throughout the whole seventh Arc they've searched everywhere the Black Box search indicates that as well um they're never going to find a plane down there I'm 100% confident um and they it's not like it's 2015 anymore you know it's 2023 it's nine years later we searched everywhere so all these experts and I've interacted with many of them if not all of them at this point uh half of them blocked me early on which I think is is a good indicator that they're not being very scrupulous in general um you know I think they're clinging to this hope or this idea that somehow 10 rows on an Excel data spreadsheet is more accurate than 15 eyewitnesses and the big problem is there's no eyewitnesses in the southern Indian Ocean like we pointed out there's an active shipping route so how did nobody see this right people would have seen this plane somebody would have seen it they would have seen this debris field so they have to use a lot of uh specious logic in order to come to this conclusion that this plane crashed down there um so ultimately we ended up throwing out the whisper route and it was actually a big point in the investigation because I before all this was somebody who wasn't even into conspiracies in general so I just thought this ping data had to be accurate had to be interpreted correctly that the whisper route had to be this amazing thing so I actually assume there was a minus sign in front of our coordinates in our satellite video even though it didn't really make sense in retrospect because this the minus sign actually put the plane going directly through the whisper route like exactly in the southern Indian Ocean that was the first Smoking Gun to me was oh okay so if people do believe in the whisper route they should 100% believe these videos are real because it has the plane going directly through the whisper out in southern Indian Ocean at like 6:00 in the morning now the problem was we looked at the satellite there we found USA 229 actually was there it was there about 30 minutes before 1840 UTC around 1810 1850 UTC so early on the MH 370x team was wondering can a plane teleport twice because we're trying to figure out how does it get there it can't get there like we have it there at 1840 UTC which is like you know 2:30 2:15 in the morning but the whisper out data has it there at 6:00 in the morning so I had our satellite expert be like hey can when's the the satellite going to be there again and it was just it's not there again for like 12 more hours uh these low earth orbit satellites rotate around the earth every 90 minutes but they don't rotate in the exact same SP spot they like kind of shift a little bit due to the rotation of the earth so it didn't make any sense but then when we realized that we were able to look at the coordinate shifts and map the coordinate shifts out and we were trying to figure out okay could it be inverted the coordinate shifts but the coordinate shifts are going to be there's no way to invert the coordinate shifts right whatever we see from the coordinate shifts don't depend on what we're visually seeing in the video so that was able to tell us that okay either this plane is going south into the east or it's going north into the East if it's invert if it's got inverted on it but if it's going north into the East the plane would need to turn right if it's going south into the East the plane is turning left in both of our videos the plane is turning left so what that means is it has to be going south into the East that means there can't be a minus sign that means what we're looking at here has to be the nicobar islands so we just use basic logic and reasoning we're able to figure out the nicobar islands and that's when the case exploded open that's when we found the witness there that's when we found out oh turns out the satellites right there at the exact same time now it just it goes up to the Northeast a little bit 1840 UTC satellit staring right down in the nicobar islands coordinates this is when everything opened up then we found out about the fire scenario found out about all the other Witnesses I could never make any of this stuff up but what I did realize early on is that if these videos are real which I was fairly certain early on they were that all the evidence would thetically support it right you would be able to find this I didn't think we'd be able to find this much evidence though this is far more than I ever thought in my wildest dreams we will come across and that's why I tell people we have more evidence here than any court case in the history of the world we could convict anyone of anything at this point based on these videos well not anything but you get my you get my drift right I mean I like to compare it to the Alex Murda trial that recently happened although I don't like saying his name because I don't think he's a great person um and that's just my opinion but they convicted this guy with no videos just on circumstantial evidence alone we have two videos 10 Witnesses we know the time the assets we have a satellite that's staring down like how much more do you need I even have the name of the leaker you know which I'm like 99.9% sure he's the guy so all we need is attention we have plenty of evidence stacked up and I know that's probably more than you wanted to hear but I see you you know given the the 100% so Beno thank you for that question I appreciate it if you have any followup I'd be happy to take it well I I certainly do and um you know agreeing with you 100% and again thank you for for all your hard work I'm very grateful for what you do um and I think you're sort of holding um bringing a bit of transparency to to whereas we didn't have it before um I I guess my other question would be um I remember uh the passengers families being able to call their phones um was there any data like there's a lot of things that we heard there were a lot of leads I guess if you think back that were coming through the media at the time and then they were never sort of followed up um I thought that's sort of one area where they could actually probably extract data as far as triangulating phone signals etc etc with all those different phones and all those different family members claiming the same thing um I thought there has to be some sort of substance to that and also I'd also like to know quickly why do you think it's outtech like do do you entertain that it possibly could be not out Tech and that we're perhaps just observing this and I somehow um that that would just not so much right place right time like as I said like it would make sense if this thing was taken early on in the piece I kind of think to myself like if it was taken over if the plane was taken over shortly after it took off um essentially the pilots lost control of the plane because I guess a lot of other UAP stores especially well most of them in airplanes helicopters even I've heard I've heard you know Witnesses recount their events where um where they they basically lost control of their their plane and the US take control of their plane and but obviously on this occasion something's gone a bit further you know that they haven't come back to tell us what happened so to speak whereas these other people did so I just yeah I just I'm curious about that as far as the phone calls from the families and is there any sort of have you done any sort of more investigative research as far as sort of like the Telco companies and the potential there with with data that could be sort of pulled from that um if if you wouldn't mind yeah there's not much we can do about private company stuff right right and interesting enough it seems like they didn't look into that at all which is a little bit suspicious right because I agree you should theoretically have been able to track that and you know at the time I guess everyone just assumed oh it had to crash into the ocean so we can just ignore that right but you know that doesn't really make a lot of sense now in retrospect it's like you should have at least done your diligence because if they're calling like how are you just dismissing that right um and it's kind of the same as the rollsroyce engine data it's like the rollsroyce engine data will expose the LIE for sure because this stuff is sending the data uh like the same way the Pacemakers do wirelessly right um so there's no way that they didn't have that data and so probably that got covered up to corroborate this South Indian Ocean narrative I don't think that data has ever been publicly released um and the radar data and the amap pings took weeks so if there's a situation where you're trying to be honest about what happened why are you waiting weeks to release it they should have been releasing that data the next day um I would argue that the sat pings have less chain of custody than our videos have um with respect to some of your other questions there's still mystery could still be Espionage somehow that started this fire as opposed to just random event uh it could still be non-human intelligence like I was talking with somebody on a podcast recently they they were sure it had to be non- intelligence they kind of like you said you know they lean towards that and I said doesn't matter to me like either way we're disclosing the same thing here right I'm arguing is reverse engineered our Tech their arguing is nonhuman intelligence one leads to the other the other leads to the other one right so you know I've been pretty clear it doesn't matter to me what people believe in general I'm just getting the evidence out there to me it's a matter of it's just too coincidental why are they filming the drones there in the right places clearly is these are the signant systems that there are connected here signals intelligence um when you could argue okay they're doing that to track this Rogue plane but to me you're not sending out the signals intelligence team and all these uh satellite assets like you're doing that because you want to film the event and get Intelligence on the technology that you are deploying so that you can you know use it later for intelligence purposes and to maybe refine it to me the bigger argument is it a weapons test is it a test or is it proven technology I think that one person made a good argument that well if the plane's doomed anyway and everybody's going to die if it crashes then maybe there's an initiative that says okay it's doomed anyway we can fire off our test right because even if it goes poorly you know it's collateral damage right at that point it's going to have they were going to they weren't going to make it anyway which is pretty morbid I personally like to think in the good in people and think that maybe there's a thing that says okay if this plane is doomed and 230 people are going to die we have a thing that says we can go ahead and you know use the classified technology to save them right but I don't know kind of depends now the other big thing why it's not necessarily nonhuman intelligence in my opinion is that I am very skeptical of aligning human motivations to non-human intelligence what we can see here is that this whatever technolog is being deployed seems to be to save the passengers to some degree because otherwise they're already doomed anyway uh and I don't think that a non-human intelligence is going to give a crap about us if they're so Advanced it's like telling us like are you going to go out and try to save every ant that you see no you're just stepping on it because it's in your way right uh so that's part of the problem that I have with that but if you do believe in like benevolent non-human intelligence sure that can come back into play so that's again why it all kind of depends on what you believe even personally um and this actually goes back to what money peny was asking about the motivation I don't think this is about money it can't really be about Goods either just way too high of a risk I mean we see what happened here they these videos got leaked potentially all this technology will now be leaked to Russia China and I think they would have already figured it out if I can figure this out from a Twitter account uh nine years later they probably figured it out years and years ago right um but to the point there what is worth it is the intellectual property there were 20 free scale semiconductor engineers and scientists on board This Plane that's way too many people for one plane most companies have a rule you can only have three or four people from the same plane on board um and these people were going to improve the factories or something in China nine or eight of them were Chinese Nationals 12 were Malaysian Nationals even though they work for an American company we found a 2005 National Security Agency report call I I actually wrote it up calling free scale superconductors because the National Security report was about commercial emergence of super conductivity not just superc conductivity room temperature superc conductivity which is the exact technology that I just explained we're seeing in the videos from the orbs and potentially how they're inducing the black hole so to me we found a direct link between the scientists and te and Engineers on board and the government that report even says the technology might be available by 2010 to 2012 but only if the government intervenes with funding so to me this says now we have our direct connection either they are preventing these people from getting to China or they because they're going to give this technology to China or they's they're taking them they're they're saving them because they need them because they're essential there was also a microchip that apparently free scale semiconductors just sent to me today by a person I did podcast on that was a very Advanced microchip and he was actually telling me on the podcast that he had heard they were developing room temperature superconductor microchips that would be used in quantum computers again connected connection from superc conductivity once again and I think that was actually probably part of that report honestly uh so to me that's your motivation right there it's not about some patents that are going to revert that that was a red herring like that's not how the patents work they're owned by the company already anyway so even though that might have been a side motivation to me it's about saving these Engineers yes and uh great description and you know if we're going to look at the nhi um motivation which is obviously hard to do as just you know human beings but if we were to attempt it anyway yeah the part to me that seems to be the most uh non-intuitive in uh as far you know in terms of why the cameras were all there in the Drone uh you know the two satellites and the Drone right at the right place at the right time when a non-human group of entities perhaps you know swarm this thing um that would imply some kind of very strange collusion on part of our government and the non-human beings the orbs so yeah I I have trouble piecing that together in my mind in terms of any sort of motivation yeah there's a couple questions too I I guess I should monitor the chat as much as possible so they didn't roll it out in 30 minutes they have one hour and 20 minutes to roll it out that drone has to be station somewhat nearby it's not coming from Diego Garcia military base it's too far away but we found that there is these little bases that are joint owned between India and the United States along those nicobar islands where the Drone could have been deployed from now I haven't written this up but there was a Reddit a Reddit piece that someone dug deep into where these were all located and there's plenty of spaces nearby where this drone could have come from the the satellite is only going to be in the right location there for several minutes which would also indicate that this was a way point that they told the plane to go to where they could get this type of intelligence so again either they're super lucky or you know this was a planned operation and to me it's not going to be any other country or the other Theory sometimes people who is I call it the wakanda theory that there's some hyper Advanced third party you know nation state out there that we don't know about uh there's just not really any evidence for that right and it makes it's hard to understand why the US government would hide any scenario that involves a third party country or um you know any type of thing like that do do you think it could be the national research the naval research laboratory themselves because I mean I look them up and apparently like they have like a plasma division essentially not only they you know in charge of the satellites but they have their own um plasma physics division that conducts a broad theoretical and experimental program of basic and applied research in plasma Physics laboratory dis discharge and space plasmas so the fact that they sort of work with that technology I would kind of Lear credits exactly to what you're saying that that this is perhaps um they're doing I think if anyone it has to be connected to the United States government in my opinion uh whoever is doing it it so you know if it's a you know uh kind of someone who's connected to them sure theoretically uh but you know when I look at how advanced this equipment is whoever owns this technology controls the world so you kind of have to feed that in together so either it's the US government themselves that makes sense they're theoretically the most powerful Advanced country in the world or it's somebody that's directly affiliated with them right or you know there's a lot of other kind of what I call hybrid scenarios right so if you want to believe in the non-human intelligence scenario is this a you know they're working together kind of situation you know I try to stick to the more simple kind of solutions uh in general but again it really just depends on what whatever you want to believe in your own personal uh understanding good questions though Beno should we get up some some other people as well and uh r i don't goe Melo I'm not sure um I can't like pull people up or anything so I don't know you may have to handle that part uh yeah yeah no problem we'll uh we'll keep the conversation going well just while you're getting other people up can I just also last question so I'm sorry to bombard you um but the Fred valentic case I found that to be very similar like that's more there's an audio clip although the Australian authorities actually never released the uh the audio but they released a transcript um and that transcript essentially he says when he's radio radioing back to Melbourne he describes what you could essentially say we see in this video and that was over like you know um back in the 70s right so I think it was back in 1974 maybe maybe it was later I'm not too sure on the DAT but again the Fred valentic case is just very similar um and also think that the fact that with disclosure they're kind of sort of spooking spheres that's sort of like of all the sort of objects or shapes that they've sort of officially come out with so far one has been the Spheres um yeah so I'm just I'm just curious on your thoughts there like you know is this is this do you see any similarities there like any sort of connection there perhaps um and have you looked into the Fred valentic case because I always found that to be that that was sort of really formally the the most sort of I guess if you're looking for sort of Hardcore evidence historically about UFOs and abductions or or people going missings in airplanes I guess that's probably like the most was the most up until now um evidentiary type sort of case that we had on record because you literally had the guy rad rading back saying hey I have got this sphere it's orbiting my plane were his words um which again describes what what we see in the video with mh37 I just thought there's a lot of similarities there and I think if you look into his case as well you what I found curious about his case was that week before he went missing he he made a comment to his girlfriend and told her and I've listened to her this is It's he say again but I've listened to her actually State this on video um where he said uh if if UFO landed tomorrow I would go with you and he was read in on from a military perspective he was reading on he was showing some papers down in Victoria at a barracks right two weeks before he missing he was previe to some information regarding this technology whatever it may be but he never he told mentioned it to his girlfriend and mentioned it to his uh father as well um and then a week later makes that strange comment to her and then a week later his plan goes missing I just I just think that there's a connection there is I think there's a little connections there little little breadcrumbs that I guess sort of may help tie together or you know that identify who's behind this potentially yeah sorry I was muted um yeah honestly I get a lot of different things that could be connected probably more than half a dozen or a dozen go anything from The Philadelphia Experiment uh to several other videos that also show orbs spinning around them and you know I can't say one way or another what I will say is that from an investigation standpoint I can't really connect it to anything else or any other consp iraes either uh we have to keep the investigation pure and make sure that all the evidence is really strong so that we can't be discredited from linking it to anything else um but absolutely I think the goal here is that if we can show that these videos are real it opens the door to all these other cases right that are very similar and can lend credibility to those cases as well whereas right now they potentially just get ignored or people don't give them any credit or people see you know a lot of people some people talk to me that some of the most emotional moments I've had with people is that you know they tell me like I see these lights outside my sky outside and I just want to know what they are is what people tell me and I want to tell those people like you know your your sightings are should not be dismissed people you know people should look into what you're what you're seeing and give you the closure that you want but I don't have those answers um you know I don't have another situation where we have two high quality military videos like we do right now so absolutely absolutely there could be connections um and that's what I hope that with getting the truth to these videos that we can you know get people looking at other stuff that is uh you know out there mysterious unusual that could be similar and just other uh esoteric things in general good question yeah well said I mean yeah disclosure you know to many of us it's yeah it's about just keep uh you know pushing open the door further and further to more um possible understanding about all these things um Chris Hunter uh wonderful to have you with us what's your question Hy thanks um I two points I wanted to bring up uh such a high value plane with people on board um I almost wonder if it's a tampering sorry Chris is a colleague of mine well isn't that nice well pleasure to have both of you here welcome Chris hi can anybody hear me yeah we can hear you keep going we can hear you okay wondering if it maybe it's a tampering with the timeline to stifle The Innovation and science they were going to bring about and and order to stop that um the other thing was is I was thought I read um some information about um when crimeia happened well um Obama we can't hear you or at least I can't uh yeah we can hear um let's cycle Penny up down and up if you can melow keep going yeah yeah um we'll fix this just hang in there Penny do turn around three times counterclockwise no yeah you're good uh real quick Chris on your thing and then I'll let you do the second part of your question um the Espionage scenario definitely is still in play so with respect to uh you know is it are they trying to slow the timeline down like if this if these scientists were going to China then really what we're dealing with here is a shadow War for control of technology and this was used to be the theory I was on early on if you watch my confessionals podcast which was the first one I did in person uh I was trying to figure out if this is a ufology explanation or if this is an Espionage explanation and my argument there was that whoever controls this technology controls the world so you could argue that even pushing them back 10 years would be worth it right because as we've seen here as we've talked about even just warp nukes is enough to be a huge deterrent and I could see why that would be enough of a reason to prevent these people from getting to China with that intellectual property that would put them on par with whoever else may have it like the United States so that's a great right go ahead I wonder if there's something on board that had to disappear also like some kind of technology or uh you know documentation that they had to make sure nobody else got a hold of because the whole thing just you know disappearing is it would that would answer that question the other thing was is uh when cremia happened uh where they had some missiles uh surface to air missiles go off back when a bomb was in and the plane hit the ground and people were killed and and uh I remember seeing footage of the bodies and stuff and they were saying that they thought they were from the same flight that we're talking about now but none of the bodies have blood in them they were drained of blood and I'm that was weird because you could see that they they weren't they weren't they didn't have any blood in them there was no anything anywhere so just saying that I I don't know yeah my a lot I think that people have to be careful about okay we've got a huge conspiracy here but that doesn't mean that everything linked together I think that in general conspiracy theories have this tendency to try to be all be linked together because everyone wants to see patterns everywhere the reality is mh17 was shot down by a buck missile launcher uh by a Russian separatist General I was actually online the day that it happened when they posted the picture bragging about it on Facebook which they deleted 15 minutes later when they found out that they killed a passenger plane full of people there was a different number of people on board that plane compared to MH370 most of those passengers were Dutch so if if you saw some videos I would probably be highly skeptical of whether or not those were actually the bodies from the plane that actually crashed because I don't think that those people would have been filming the bodies that they had just shot down right so if you saw those videos and I don't know if inspectors like the third party were even allowed to come and take a look at it because it was such a politically Hot Topic so I would just say be skeptical of trying to connect everything together this investigation will not be connecting anything to mh7 or any other conspiracies at all but you're you're allowed to believe whatever you want and I say I believed it I just said I heard about this and it didn't seem connected but I I was just making sure that I brought forward everything that I had heard yeah that's totally fair so yeah and and that's just my official stance on that so I just have to be consistent about it and it does come up quite a a bit so I felt like it's important to to mention it and I'm not trying to put you down or you know nail you down to that no I I I agree with you there's no actual factual connection to to to it whatsoever so it shouldn't be looked at so I agree good questions though do you have any other followup Penny can you hear us again now yes for some reason I couldn't get back into the space I don't know what happened but I'm very sad I missed Chris's question I'll have to listen to the replay yeah it was mostly on like could there be an Espionage angle and you know he also asked about the cargo so we've looked into the cargo a lot I've talked to some of the official investigators that started early on or not necessar the official ones but the people that investigated early on and the car cargo is very mysterious um we do know about the lithium ion batteries we're on board and these lithium ion batteries we're not sure if they're regular lithium ion batteries military lithium ion batteries might be something going on with respect to those as well but it's really hard to get any definitive data because all we have is this manifest related to the cargo and then we have the official atsb report I noticed there was only one American passenger who was um uh an IBM Employee um I presume you know about him yeah yeah Philip wood Philip wood is linked to quite a different few different things on Bo related to this case there's a bizarre story isn't there about him hiding uh something taking a photograph that turned out black very strange yeah yeah that one was opposed to the 4chan picture that had xif data that pointed to Diego Garcia where he claimed that he was being held prisoner and he was drugged and that he hid the phone up his butt you know prison style um interestingly enough that that picture got debunked by the same people that supposed debunked our videos that we rebunk and proved that that debunk was incorrect and we also proved that the Philip wood debunk was incorrect as well I found a very detailed analysis that shows that it was not inconsistent with how a picture would look interestingly enough um and also the interesting thing is I think it was about the same people British intelligence approached Mark Dugan um Mark Dugan the French guy in the Netflix who was formerly Proteus Airlines um CEO I think he was um so I wonder do you know who that British intelligence person do you know anything about them I wish I knew all that like I've only got involved in this case 10 weeks ago so my knowledge is you know looking back on internet articles and things like that that have a lot of stuff from the archives has been deleted stuff like that I am familiar with Mark Dugan who is the uh French author who wrote about it said the plane went to Diego Garcia uh that seems to be where everybody thought the plane went and supposedly was told to stop looking into it um the big thing about everybody thinking they went to Diego Garcia is they thought it was like remote control there I think Jim Stone also mentioned it um there's a lot of other there was even some remote viewers that pointed it to there our witness Katherine T in 2008 thought that it went there um a number of other conspiracies also thought it went there like everything pointed at the base and it makes sense this bases in the middle of the Indian Ocean commercial airliners can't Land There we showed that we found an article from Facebook that dates all the way back to the time of the plane that there were no departures 72 hours after that from Diego Garcia and it's British territory um isn't it it's a US military base on British territory um I'm worried about the British connection here and the the reason I'm mentioning it as well is the Malaysian um government the Malaysian police the Malaysian Airline staff remarkably tight lipped on all of this yeah and the base as well I'm always I'm a little skeptical to talk about because I've even myself uh you know people told me this base is more secretive than area area 51 by magnitudes what I also heard is is not necessarily about aliens not about non-human intelligence but just all kinds of stuff that they're doing I would imagine if this is our technology that we're seeing in these videos that that's where you test it right it's in the middle of nowhere I believe that is the most likely scenario from uh everything at this stage but yeah thank you just for all the hard work you've done on it it's amazing and I'm going to keep on it awesome I'm glad to have you there and paying attention especially people who are you know prestigious we' been working with the BBC in the past and stuff like that um you know it's a tough world with live in these days and what comes with these videos is a very real disinformation campaign to keep them quiet you know they've kept these videos quiet for 9 years and it's possibly only now that we have the basis to understand them those 2007 DOD Navy uh Declassified videos that show uaps those showed us what Fleer footage looked like what Drone footage even looked like before that I would have no idea so when I saw the Fleer footage r thermalized mq1 c Grey Eagle in 2014 I didn't even know what I was looking at a lot of people when they first look at the satellite picture the video they think they're looking uh up instead of down That's how little of a basis we have to understand what the satellite video might I come from an RAF family my father was in the Royal Air Force and uh then worked at gchq which is a few minutes from where I'm currently sitting the head of cia6 and all the rest of it and I can tell you the military activity round here at the moment I would not put anything past the uh the technology that they currently have yeah and I think another argument circumstantial of course is that you know a lot of these Western countries never get attacked we have all these wars happening but no one's really messing with uh the big boys right the the big Allied uh West and I would argue that the technology might be part of the reason because anyone who has this technology can end the war in in a second you can take out the other people's world leaders and whenever you want and some people come and counter back and say well if we have this technology why haven't we just taken over the world but I think that's very my opic view is that there comes like you go Kim Jong y has got a bigger button and his hacking infrastructure is a little larger I would suspect and even if you take him out then what right now you have to deal with the entire North Korean population it's not like they're just going to fall in line right and you have to replace them with someone else they might do if we feed them yeah May it's a good point honestly and so you know some of it yeah sure you might but also like you pointed out could be that they also have technology what if they can warp ncas right back right now we're in the same situation where we began with where everybody's got nukes and first person to fir it off is going to end the world right so you know there's a lot of arguments why you might say that we don't we wouldn't utilize this type of Technology not deploy it but what it also means is a lot of these wars that are happening are you know Small Potatoes they're just happening for money purposes or small land grabs things like that they're just proxy wars that are going on where nobody's really deploying their real technology that could end these in any any minute and to me that's sad because there's real loss of life that's happening you know in the Ukraine in Israel uh Palestine situation you know I personally feel like we should be able to come together over this technology find Common Ground new purpose as Humanity to try to change our world for the better and that's what I see when I watch these videos I see hope and I hope other people do too well I certainly hope for the same thing hey Ashton hey hey how's it going hey it's Noah the one who yeah I'm the one that posted your oh yeah good good oh I was just saying yeah I'm the one that posted your stuff on Reddit that got you kicked off for seven days I'm sorry I wish that hadn't happened I kept saying last time no I want to be clear about that too so I don't care about getting banned from Reddit at all and uh I think you should post my content there I think you shouldn't be afraid or get bullied into taking it down it's very important as well right is don't let them bully you like what what can they do to you about posting someone else's content that's the whole point of Reddit right I don't understand why you got banned and I didn't though and that's what just because I guess they were hiding like what they claimed is that I think in the UFO subreddit that's the most controlled subreddit possibly of all Reddit honestly but in that subreddit um you know I think I called out the moderators or something and said how could they corrupt or something like that or how said that the subreddits corrupt and they tried to claim that I was calling out subreddits it's like how how how was a personal attack or how is it a harassment to call out a enti is the rufos with the S at the end yeah and that's where these videos emerg and the reason why we know it's corrupted is that's the place where they silenc them too right and uh you know that's the place where the icy slide account is the one that posted the VFX debunk someone actually recently figured out that icy slide just stands for I slide which stands for intelligence Community Forum slide and that's actually a disinformation uh Forum sliding is actually a disinformation um mechanism is that it's that's exactly what they did ironically enough is that you bought up vote the content you want to be seen you don't defend it the account was a one- day old account they didn't defend the argument at all they didn't put make any post in the comments at all they got manual approval by the moderators to allow that to be posted they had to approve it I asked the moderators myself if they knew who the person was and they wouldn't respond um which I think is pretty telling in general because you can see how much they' came down on me but they're not going to come down on a one day old account that has no Karma that shouldn't be allowed to make any posts and Forum sliding is you push it to the top and now everybody just believes whatever's at the top of Reddit right whatever the most upvoted comments are that's what people believe all the upvoted comments were thank God this is over thank God this is proven to be a hoax it's like that's so disingenuous right and the wor part is the VFX didn't even match as as a matter of fact it didn't match it's not an opinion it literally did not match um and that's the scariest part is the only factual argument they were making was false um and so that just shows that like how powerful disinformation is in fact that might be one of my upcoming pieces is called disinformation just going over uh manufactured consensus and social contagion because I personally believe that Reddit is the number one source of misinformation on the entire planet and it might even be the number one radical of terrorists on the planet at the moment well a lot of the things that get pushed the top do become the main story of that sub for weeks and weeks you're right about that but you're not going to find any corruption I I hope I hope in ufob because that's why your subred even has to exist though right like why that sub even have to exist it has to exist because of what I'm talking about is that people realize that these larger subreddits they get controlled and once they get controlled now you can't have real discourse anymore and so then people have to make alternate versions right ufob and so I think that the niche subreddits uh like that are still pretty good but the bigger they get then they get targeted for control right and it doesn't take much to get control of them and once they have control then they can control the narrative and as long as they have the UFO subreddit they don't really care about the ufob subreddit until things like you have happen right where you posted my content it got thous over 1500 up votes now they car and then I was forced to basically remove it yeah and then you get forced to remove it right I'm still talking with the mods about adding your stuff back I want to find a reason to Val validify or validate I mean uh what you uh you said about those the research I've been telling them yeah you seem all right you seem legitimate the other mods on the sub I'm me talking to them in the Discord and they seem to not to have any problem with you just that the sub was being rampaged on by people from you debunking subreddits honestly when I posted that stuff like after a few hours people started to hop in again you got to just be strong man you got to ignore it right and again that's why the the social contagion works is that humans are a very social species we want to appease other people right but the truth doesn't care about who you're appeasing you know it doesn't care about what consensus believes and we shouldn't the truth is not based on consensus and that's part of the problem is that we've got into a post- truth world where the truth is whatever the majority believes and that's how we've gotten to this point where we can't believe these videos yeah I I was told a few times I have very thin skin but it's getting a little thicker and I'm just trying to do the right thing and hopefully that involves being able to get your content back on there without any problems and hopefully you won't get like banned or whatever again I really don't want that you do seem very genuine with your findings and your research and you seem to know what you're talking about actually even though people may not agree and yeah it doesn't matter me I think that if you want to do that you should find a piece that you think is very compelling something that's honest and compelling to you and then post it there I mean there's several people that are posting my content and I just tell them you know feel free I don't feel like they're stealing my content I don't really care if they post it on Reddit yeah um my problem is that you're the one that got banned because it was my fault and I just no it's not your fault I want to be clear about that so I didn't get banned because of you in any way shape or form that's not why was your comments you said right yeah and my comments in the UFO subreddit is the reason why I got banned it wasn't even related to ufob in general so you should not feel like that's on you at all so what happened was for people who are just listening who don't know um when we figured out the fire scenario and we saw the Heat Signature underneath the plane that's right at where the the exhaust vents are we were able to realize wow we can actually prove the fire scenario and I made a PO ask you a question about that yeah one sec once I finish yeah let me finish first so yes so we realized that and then my my post about it got posted on three or four different subreddits got posted on conspiracy subreddit UFO subreddit ufob subreddit and it took off on all of them except for actually the UFO subreddit is the one where it got the least amount of uploads it became number one on conspiracy number one on ufob subreddit and I felt like I needed to go in there answer questions because a real person goes and answers questions for people the icy slide account didn't answer one question right and so I started answering questions and of course there is it's Reddit so there's so many toxic people right people being just the worst people you could possibly imagine and so I pushed back a little bit and and that's what they want you to do right because they're looking for an excuse to ban me because it comes down to narrative control you can't brainwash people if someone's out there telling the truth so that's just kind of the long and short of it go ahead Noah yeah I know I was just thinking about the the fact that uh you said something about macroscopic decoherence and nobody really that I know knows what that is and I was hoping to if you want to delve into it uh talk about what that means and how it could have something could happened to the plane but we don't know where it went or when it went or whatever it went even yeah I was thinking about that before so I'm talking about the science I think that's a good thing to dig into is that first of all superconductivity is the secret to everything it's the secret sauce it's the key to that allows everything else to happen and if you've reached a superconductive state then you are theoretically achieving the quantum properties but at the macroscopic level now from a Quantum experiment we can look at the double slit experiment okay and the double slit experiment is the most mysterious experiment all physics if we shoot a photon think of it like shooting an atom through one of two slits we look at the pattern that it forms to figure out which slit it went through so what happens when we shoot the photon through the two slits surprisingly we get a wave pattern an interference pattern we don't get a two slits on the on our detector so how can that be it has to go through one of the slits right how can it go through both at the same time we call this wave particle duality so what's our logical Next Step let's take a look let's try to figure out which one did it go through let's look set up a detector to look what happens the wave function breaks down now there's just two slits on our detector how is that possible is the universe aware of itself does it know that we're looking this is the why it's the biggest Myster mystery in all physics doesn't that like give Credence to Consciousness Across the Universe or some kind of do you know and I think everybody can look at it differently to me it says the universe is conscious of itself it's aware of what's going on but when we break it down this is what gives rise to quantum entanglement non-locality and quantum teleportation because non-locality is essentially being able to tell information faster than the speed of light if I change something over here I inst L know what happened on somewhere that's very very far away and this is what China has proved several times and so that's quantum entanglement right and somehow we're able to transfer information faster than the speed of light now what Quant a macroscopic decoherence is is reverting that so if you think about what that would mean is being taking something that is at a probabilistic point our wave pattern converting it to a deterministic point when we look at it one of two points reverse that and now you're going from a deterministic point to a wave pattern a probabilistic point now you can break it down even more and I think that what we're really looking at is solid state Bose Einstein condensate so Bose Einstein condensate is if we super cool certain elements like lithium 6 it changes its properties and it becomes it achieves the properties of Quant and what that allows it to do is Achieve that wave function status that we see it can do things that it would not be able to do so fion can turn into bons a fion is anything that has solid structure to it and the reason for that is firion have to be in different places at the at the same time in at the same time in space time so if I have a cup in front of me it's made of a fermion the reason why it doesn't collapse when I pick it up is because all those fion have to be in different points bans don't have that limitation like isn't this just the same thing as matter manipulation creation kind of it's similar perhaps I don't know much about that in general but here's the thing so bons allow you to collapse them all down bans do not have the limitation of being at a different point they can all collapse onto the same point that's what happens when you have a Bose Einstein condensate is now it can convert to bons where now they can collapse onto one another so if we can do that to lithium and convert it from fermion to bosons and then potentially back again in now you're kind of talking about teleporting something or converting to a wave function and turning it back so the same idea can theoretically apply to our plane at least in theory now another way of looking at it is that if we can convert the plane to a uh Quantum state from a solid not from a not from a a liquid or gas sorry from a gas or a plasma but from a solid state and we can take its mass and reduce it to zero so turn it from b b uh fans into bons and put it down to a single point where now it has no mass now you can accelerate the speed of light or you can move at the speed of light the less Mass the faster that you can go the new analogy that I'm going to start using is a fly or an ant when you watch a fly or an ant they move extremely fast for how tiny they are relative to our size they're moving much quicker than we are the answer there is the same the less Mass the faster you go and not just the faster you go the faster time goes and we can apply this both to small things and to large things the reason why we have curvature is that the less Mass the faster time's going The more mass the slower time's going so if you have an object that's up in the air the part that's further away from the Earth is moving faster than the part that's Clos closer to the Earth what that does creates curvature so what that does over time is now that object is going to move closer and closer and closer to the Earth it's going to converge on it another analogy for that would be if both of us are in different partes of the Earth right now we could be on opposite sides of the earth we're both going to walk in a straight line and even though we're in different points you would think that those straight lines would never intersect but if we both walk towards the North Pole we're going to intersect at the North Pole the reason why we're going to there is the curvature of the earth so does that answer your question in terms of the science behind what we're talking about and I might not be exact it definitely gets me thinking yeah someone mentioned to me just now in a DM something about the orbs being an emulation of Quant when you were talking about it with us I think they're listening in and yeah his name is uh yeah can we get Roy up here Roy is the one who said that to me yes Roy please join us he's very qualified person to speak on this oh I don't even know him yet no pressure Roy but I hope I'm not saying it wrong cuz Roy is really the expert out there and uh I'm just uh you know a little amateur here who's trying to do my best to understand these very advanced concepts but I think that what Roy would say is that time is a fluid symmetry so we don't need gravity to explain everything time and curvature of mass uh that's kind of bending SpaceTime can explain everything that we see out there that can also help us simplify our equations and theoretically then allow Quant and macro to uh coexist and have the same properties and I think that the secret is we can look up at the stars and we can see these same interactions um and you know what Roy might say as well is that if we look at neutron stars and the ligo experiments in terms of gravitational waves you know we're not seeing there is no graviton there's not a a particle that's creating gravity it's simply a property of mass interacting with with space and to kind of bring back the concept of how time flows if we look at a black hole which has a ton of mass the closer you get to that black hole the more time will slow down and a lot of people say if you're if someone's moving towards the black hole it's going to look like their time is slowing down as they get closer to it this also confirms the same theory that we're mentioning and therefore the less Mass the faster you're going to go as well the further away you are now this is time dilation so if we think of the movie Interstellar this is exactly what happens in the movie Matthew MCC he goes onto a planet that's circling around a black hole away from a space station that's much further away they only go there for about an hour their time is moving very slow they come back to the space station it's been 20 years for the people that are on the space station the time for the person on the space station is moving much faster so this this is essentially to in my mind a very beautiful understanding of how time Flows In general is that time is not a constant it's fluid it depends on where you are in your own frame of reference which is consistent with Einstein makes me think this is how uh teleportation can be done also I remember you said that was one of the things that they were hiding from was besides super conductivity and free energy in your letter yeah I think that oh Jump On In yeah I get some yeah hold on a second um yeah thanks it's been great to to hear you speak Noah and um you know attempting to Chronicle this whole thing including uh the Reddit days and the drama there and you know all the Discord stuff and everything that's been happening since of course um so yeah it's great to get that perspective from you who is involved in this uh before I was um but uh Jiggy thank you for your patience you've had your hand up for a while uh what's on your mind yeah no problem hey good to be here everybody uh good stuff it's a very interesting case and I've got just three quick thoughts that uh I would love to hear comments on and and hopefully maybe uh new avenues for the investigation but the first one is something that I guess uh money Penny and others already alluded to and that is uh looking at other cases similar uh what really caught my eye was I don't know I don't remember who posted it it might have been the W but it was uh the December 1988 case in to Rico where there was supposedly allegedly 100 Witnesses seeing a large UFO being chased by three fighter jets and they also observed three rotating red orbs that apparently disappeared one or more of these fighter jets so you have three you know rotating orbs disappearing a plane I was like wow you know so that's interesting I don't know if there uh other I'm kind of a data guy so I kind of was doing a little data mining on that but I'm sure there's even other cases out there that would be similar so that's might be an interesting um Avenue uh the second thing I have for you is Sean Kirk Patrick currently of Arrow hopefully for not not long right um so back in May I think it was the NASA uh briefing or hearing um where it was mostly you know UFOs or don't exist blah blah blah uh the one thing he did say was you know hey yeah they don't exist but we see these metallic orbs globally all over the world uh with these you know Maneuvers that while we're waiting on we can't expl as well and so I thought that was very curious that if you know out of all let me know and I can the UAP UFO literature out there that they brought that up metallic orbs um and so I was trying to figure that out and I guess maybe metallic orbs are less intimidate intimidating or scary for the public than spaceships with little green men so that that could be the angle but then I thought of you know what if this technology uh they have um could this be like when disclosure happens then it's like hey yeah we we saved the passengers on that plane here they are you know in in an effort to buy some Goodwill after having you know covered this thing up for 80 plus years uh on a a darker interpretation of that could be kind of the my laabs angle where it's like uh there's some sort of uh cooperation with non-human in Ence that uh has something to do with their interest in collecting people uh let's hope that's not the case but that would be like oh hey these This Plane they're already gonna these people are going to be dead anyway we're going to take them so I don't know interesting uh thought the last thing I have for you you mentioned the uh burn marks on the debris would it be possible to request you know testing on those on that debris to see if it's specifically you know lithium ion on burns I don't know if that's possible but yeah thanks for the time good space yeah good questions on that um the way they described the burn marks was they said it was resin doesn't make any sense to me at all I'm not even sure how that logically makes sense um and with respect to the other incidents that are similar I probably say the same thing I said earlier which is that you know I'm sure that there's other stuff that's similar like this has happened I feel like it'd be unlikely this would be the first time ever I think ultimately what it kind of comes down to is is it the same is it what we're dealing with the US government or another government or is it non-human intelligence uh my opinion is that this technology has to be reverse engineered that we couldn't have come about it you know automatically but when I look at the videos it looks like we're emulating what we see from ufology like we it's our version of it it's a little bit different not quite the same but employs the same technological advancements like you see floating or orbs you see these orbs um in terms of ufology kind of Zap in and out um we also sometimes see them vibrate as well and it seems like we saw that and over 80 100 years we've slowly gotten to the point where we could create our own version of it and it does make me wonder how much of what we see out there is ours or other other nations as well because keep in mind the videos are from 2014 so that's plenty of time for other nations to figured this out looked at the videos they figured out that they were real their intelligence figured out they were real theyve reverse engineered the same Concepts that we've been able to reverse engineer um because if we can do it again with just a Twitter account and no PhD or anything then foreign countries definitely can I even think back to like the Alaska shootdowns and I wonder okay were those even really non-human intelligence or were those reverse engineered probes that China has put together maybe the reason why they don't want to show us is cu it would you know reveal that we also have those types of capabilities because if China has it we definitely have it too right um so with respect to the other cases you know I would like if we can authenticate these videos to be able to lend credit to all the other similar cases that have been dismissed for whatever reason that kind of show similar phenomenon and I again I've seen like a dozen been people send me stuff all the time they're similar going back to the Philadelphia Experiment to the Madrid airplane that had orbs around it um lots of stuff similar to it and some of those two things could have been tests and what have you as well um so did I miss any of your points but those are my general kind of points but yeah the the only other the other one was Sean Kirk Patrick referring to metallic orbs yeah yeah and I think I've seen some of the ones like the Iraq metallic orb and I think that we're not looking at metallic orbs here we are looking at an energy field that is um as I think that somebody mentioned earlier is uh emulating the Quant so what we're seeing there is it's able to have full Mass reduction to the point where they can ignore gravity and then because the way we see these things they're coming at Mach 3 speeds they're completely ignoring gravity and all um friction as well so to me that's what we're seeing there's an energy field and I've always felt like we're looking at an energy field there not a metallic orb I think it would look quite a bit different if what we were looking at was metal although we do see a lot of these metal orbs in the Zeitgeist right now which again is part of the reason why I think that what we're looking at here is reverse engineered that look that is emulating what we would see what pretty much what David grush has testified to Congress right testified under oath with respect to Sean kpatrick um I'll just speak off the cuff I don't trust AO I don't trust NASA either I mean these are organizations that have to know the truth they absolutely must know the truth right and if we're able to see these videos in the public sphere just imagine what they have in the private in the classified sphere NASA would be seeing these things all the time with their satellites they have to be hiding them uh Gary McKinnon was just on the alien scientist podcast right before me just two days beforehand he's the one that hacked in and basically said yeah we found all this stuff that basically proves that they've been hiding it um I believe that honestly whatever else you might believe about that man I believe that because it just logically makes sense to me um I even believe that they're hiding Life on Mars not necessarily Little Green Men but bacterial life and that's supported by the fact that there's seasonal methane on Mars there's not a lot of ways to get seasonal methane on a dead Planet you know one of the ways is that you've got bacteria that's right underneath the surface potentially just a foot underneath the surface maybe even on the surface itself and that is PR they said there's water on the Moon I mean yeah there's water everywhere that's the thing too right yeah yeah I'm only laughing because um yeah seasonal methane can potentially be a problem on Mars under the surface sometimes yeah sorry you're fine and then so they try to argue that okay well the seasonal methane's from some desalinization or some I forget what they say some kind of geological thing but the problem with it being a geological process you use it all up so over time over billions of years it would have been used up so if you have it repeating over time you know uh then it's got to be from some biological process you know farts so to speak it's a byproduct process of hate to feel like I need to pull this out rabbit out of my hat but does anyone remember that old Jerusalem Post article from the end of 2021 do you know which one I'm talking about cont here oh it it it said uh something about there's a there's a Galactic Federation I know that sounds crazy but it's it's what it said on the J post oh the Galactic Federation thing yeah that thing yeah the Galactic Federation thing um from I believe it was the Israel Defense guy um you know that's that's an interesting well like so if you you know if you believe that we've been reverse engineering these things for hundred years then I think that there's a lot of credit to those kinds of stories for me it's like you know just my personal opinion like I need a little bit more before I'm ready to believe in non-human intelligence like beings being here you know because to me it's more it's easier to understand and believe in like maybe some type of advanced AI that can be here like you send probes you know uh I think they're what Von nuran probes right or maybe saying that incorrectly but I would imagine more either I'm more on line of like the ultraterrestrial theory or that there is some type of AI mechanical AI that has reached us but I my mind's open you know whatever comes comes yeah those are just my opinions it it does sound crazy but only because we've never seen anything like it I think I think the more we see of these kinds of things the more we'll be open-minded to to think about them in a positive way maybe this is possible you know 100% um I'd like to get some more questions if we have people with their hands up just so we can you know share the wealth a little bit if people have them yeah we have some hands up Compadre um Mars what what's your question um well I first of all the more you describe the like um everything just sort of shrinking into one point you know that scene in the beginning of um Honey I Shrunk the Kids where the the beam of the the inventor's machine like hits the apple and then like it explodes and then somehow it's re-calibrated and it gets it just right and it shrinks the kids you know the purpose of the movie um yeah it's it's cool like the possibility that that could be technology we have now like I've watched Star Trek from when I was a kid and it's just like to have Transporters and you know the things that make the food like that's possible with with the yeah the replicators are all gray hot that's possible if you can take something that's stored in a tiny tiny one point and then like expand it and reconfigure it like that's all possible and which just really cool and um I uh I wonder if uh the it's just triggering thoughts about the whole nature of reality and like um how sorry I'm a little bit feverish so um if I'm ranting too much please stop me Oh no you're fine um can we money P can you mute your mic I think we got some background sound here or Melo can you I don't have I can't uh yeah know I took care of it it's all good yeah I know I know it's hard on the computer to see what's going on points real quick and then you can keep going if you have other follow-ups because I think the Star Trek analogy is very interesting right is that I think Star Trek gets some of it right maybe some of it wrong based on what we're learning here so when it comes to teleportation we're not dematerializing something and rematerializing it we're just able to move at the speed of light which is actually similar to warp drive right so that's the part where I'd say it's pretty close to um but really when we're talking about being able to achieve Quantum States I mean now we're opening the door to straight up magic as we would think of it right and that's what I think is really cool about Star Trek and I've also watched every episode of The Next Generation probably 15 times each um back when I was younger because I just I was very interested in outer space in general um and so I think there too is that you know it opens the door to all sorts of neat things and that's why our whole world will change and I actually think about Star Trek a lot with the Federation and the way that you know there's no uh demand essentially you know they they sort of achieve a a u Utopia so to speak and that would be really the Ultimate Dream right where we get this technology we can have green energy we can change the face of the world but what do they have as well they have stuff like the prime directive you have an authority structure that tries to ensure that we don't have complete destruction of our own planet um and I think that's again the part we have to be very careful of at least in my mind yeah brilliant cancer out of people and stuff like that like that would make treatment so much just instant you know pretty much I don't know it's very cool yeah definitely I think the applications let other people is like huge as well right um being able to fight things like cancer yeah absolutely seems like it could be possible now right so yeah it opens the door to everything you know it's uh to me that's why these videos are the most important videos in the history of the world which is the first sentence in my letter to Congress is that yes Malaysian Airlines and figuring out the answer is potentially you know from a human perspective the most important part to vindicate the families of the victims the pilot who is vilified the witnesses who were discredited the leaker who potentially went to prison but it becomes a lot more than just about that very quickly it becomes about changing the world to a place where we don't even recognize it in you know 20 years from now so good comments Mars who else has some questions yeah uh yeah thanks Mars uh Chris what's your question thank you hi I'm sorry about background noise I'm at the grocery store I've posted some videos about um aircraft I've seen flying in the skies above uh bber space force phase and during space uh X launches of the satellites they have um they move very similar to what you're talking about uh and nobody can give me an answer on them just this just like yep uh-huh so uh I would recommend taking a look at them uh money Penny knows where to find them I'm sorry I'm gonna get off because this loud here oh no you're fine yeah and again good quite interesting yeah people send me a lot of videos and you know what I'll say is I don't have all the answers there's a lot of people out there there that deem themselves susers right where you want to ask them questions they feel like they'll give you an answer you know to whatever you want uh it's not the kind of person I am you know I'm up front I don't have all the answers I'd say that I would say that I've become an expert at MH370 in these videos I'm trying to just back you up on saying those planes are real yeah yeah and I think that that could be the case it's the same formation as your videos Ashton um so what we're saying is it looks as though it may be a military exercise type thing using these in the same formation it looks very similar yeah absolutely you know and again they they could be right um but you know I think that linking the videos to any other stuff even it's very similar opens the door to being discredited because then they can just discredit those videos and then they can discredit these and that's the reason why from an investigation standpoint I don't do that at all not no matter how similar they look I like I've mentioned I've gotten dozens at least a dozen videos that are very similar to what we're seeing triangle lighted orbs uh circling around planes even and I never link them to these videos because of that reason so you have to realize that there is a disinformation camp p is trying to keep these secret and if you followed the way they've been trying to discredit me they're looking for any opening to try to discredit the videos anything and from your guys perspective it may seem illogical but from their perspective it's not uh because generally people are easy to trick very easy to trick so if I link anything to anything else that's like that and they can discredit that they will use that to discredit the videos despite the fact that I'm looking at 17 pages of evidence in front of me right now that prove that these videos are real um so absolutely I think it's interesting you can share the videos with me 100% I'll take a look at them but you know don't expect me to go on and say hey this is what we're seeing in our videos because it's just not going to happen no I understand but from a journalist point of view you need three independent sources from different areas which is why when there was a UFO sighting in the UK with 450 individuals all reporting independently that's the one that was investigated yeah no definitely you know and I think that the way that I plan to authenticate these videos is I'm going to find the person who leaked them um and that's going to be absolute proof right as that person comes out and says yep I'm the one who did it uh and then we've got it right so to me you know no matter how many independent collaborations we have and other things that are similar that it's not going to get taken seriously by the mainstream uh we have to have something that's straight up undeniable um and I mean look at there I've already ignored these videos even despite the huge amount of evidence that we've already presented uh more evidence than I would argue in any court case in the history of the world definitely more evidence than any mysterious plane or any incident ever um and they don't care they won't even look at it they won't even touch it um it's just too much for a lot of people to take right and some of them may be controlled by the government so that persp like and 911 they're not going to look at either of those enough conspiracy theories to fill books on them that's very true exact I mean I would say that's very similar right is that you need to not just have a very strong case but you can't leave yourself open to any criticism whatsoever because you know what they'll do is they focus on whatever aspect they can to discredit the case right now I've given them none and that's part reason why they have to stay silent and the longer we apply that pressure the more awkward it gets right the takedowns are all very superficial they're all oh this just looks fake this is dumb you're an idiot for doing this you're a weirdo you're crazy whatever right uh but none of those hold any water so they're looking for something else that they can they can stick to and uh you know I don't plan to give them that so that's my game plan I'm I throw all the cards on the table in terms of what my strategy is and I let them try to adjust uh I think that their game plan is also very transparent as well that's just my opinion uh yeah this is a good moment to potentially if someone wants to put the the petition that for the um related to the letter to Congress um yeah it'd be really cool to to get people to sort of uh distribute that and you know one one thing I put in the uh in the hashtags above is uh you know activism um so we can also explore that in terms of ways of um getting Congress to take this on or or to the very least to broaden um the awareness uh of This research yeah one thing I wanted to say too is check out the post I made yesterday welcome to the Future because I think that that corroborates the science that I've been talking about today and I has been staring in front of me there's been several times where I've been staring at the evidence for weeks and I just didn't click like I've been staring I actually have my background as a thermal picture where you can see the Heat Signature by where the exhaust vents are and I had been staring at for weeks I didn't realize I'm staring at proof of the fire and then uh and you can even see the smoke coming out of the back of the plane in almost every single image um and then in this one I didn't realize that in the frame right before the black hole forms the the shell of the plane gets blurry and I kept saying well it's getting cold which it is getting colder but more importantly the blur because we can explain the blur right like if you try to take a picture of something that's moving very fast but what's important is that this plane is already moving very fast and the camera has no issue with it until the very last frame what does that tell us is this plane is accelerating its speed is increasing to the point where the blur is happening and we can see that the orbs are getting potentially gravitational lensing is happening to them they're flattening something's happening to them the also perhaps most importantly is you can tell just visually looking at the side by side that the plane's actually smaller slightly smaller in the second image than the first one than the frame right beforehand which seems to indicate there is a mass reduction effect happening here either just visually or you know something in general I mean I wish we had like another 10 frames right if this was like 4,000 frames per second because then we could actually see exactly what's going on here but I think that this proves the idea that maybe these orbs are creating some type of electromagnetic shell that's allowing this mass of this plane to reduce down to the point where it can its time can speed up its speed can speed up um and to me that's the missing link on all of this that's what's being hidden from us and you can tell why right warp nukes that's the simple explanation is that that creates an Unstoppable weapon um and that's just one application of it a very basic application of it let's see let's see I think we do a few more questions I'm probably going to only go for another 15 minutes or less uh just because I'm very tired and I've got to prepare for Salvatore Pas interview tomorrow so let me throw this out there so I've never interviewed anybody before right and uh a couple weeks ago or less someone mentioned hey you should message salvator Pas this kind of looks or is similar to his patents that he put out there so I find his email address send him an email say hey is this your technology we're looking at that's pretty much how I what my email was like and I didn't expect them to respond I've emailed a lot of people and basically no one's responded like all the types of UFO people Etc um even some scientists I've emailed as well I won't name them but I email him he gets back to me the next morning says you know know any weekend you want any Sunday you want we'll set up an interview and that kind of blew me away right cuz he didn't even look to see if I even have a following or anything like that so just think about what what does that mean right I show them the I sent them the videos so he looks at the videos and instantly okay and he sends me the papers and says post these papers on your Twitter I thinking he's not going to want me to post the papers he's going to want to keep them hidden or whatever no he's tell me give them away to as many people as possible Right so to me that's pretty indicative that at least he believes in His science and I already thought found him to be very credible from when I first heard about him so tomorrow I'm going to be asking a lot of questions not necessarily directly about the videos but I'm definitely going to be asking questions about the science that we've been discussing here now that is explained in the videos um and I think that that should be very telling so that's part of the reason why I'm have to end a little bit because I got to wake up early and make sure I'm fully prepared make sure that I've watched the entire Theory of Everything podcast because there's already been several points in that podcast where I've been like wow we are talking about exactly what we're seeing in these videos and another thing that I was interesting from listening to that which is somewhat related to this is that academics won't look at his stuff only one major one of his papers the plasma I'm going to say it wrong the plasma paper is the only one that these uh prestigious journals would even accept to peer review to even look at it so you know what he's seeking is um mainstream approval which I got to give him a warning it's going to be tough man uh from what I've seen from academics is there're some of the most closed-minded people in the face of the earth is that academics believe whatever they've been taught is what is real and everything that they haven't been taught is not real the way that science works and I'm actually going to say this tomorrow on the interview with him is that it works in jumps and leaps is that consensus is formed that's all that you have and then somebody breaks the mold they shatter the mold and they jum Leap Frog everybody else and then the consensus kind of gravitates towards that I think if you look at science in history that's how it always works you know the Earth was the center of the the universe until Galileo comes and says no it's not and then we realize it's not you know Newton discovers how gravity Works um and so you know all of these people are pioneers and they push science forward and that's the type of people that we need in this world people that are pushing forward yeah it's been so uh exciting to get to connect with some experts like this um and to see the response and to see the validation um yeah but it's um it's an uphill battle but I think it's it's exciting because the people who are truly um the ones you know creating the next chapter of Discovery um are are going to also be wants to have the courage to step up at this at this you know historic time where we are getting some degree of disclosure and perhaps we can um you know and then we'll we'll be hopefully getting the rest as well soon after um yeah but I mean this topic could not have you know more um fascinating elements um in terms of the hive mind approach you and your um team took uh to uh figure this out and and sort of battle it out on the internet publicly which is a unique sort of modern way of making discoveries collaboratively cha and yeah everything else about this obviously is um if it all lines up as it appears and all the you know the jigsaw pieces fall into place as they seem to be doing every single one of them um yeah you know there's just so much to learn from this Mars um what do you think uh I I very much appreciate the um careful open eyed okay that's a a loaded term around here but um the the care um cleare eyed kind of uh moving forward instead of just you know taking a stick and whacking at the bushes and closing your eyes and seeing what you poke um that that makes it feel a lot more comprehensible a lot more um I don't know real something like that I think what people say a lot is people do talk about the approach that I've taken which like I like to think that I'm following the scientific method which is form a hypothesis test the hypothesis if it works out you move forward if not go back to the drawing board right and if you follow the case from the beginning I haven't deleted any post except for just one uh that was related to Aint military personnel um and I won't go into too much depth on that you can actually follow how the investigations progressed and how my thought processes progressed and my opinions but underlying evidence is essentially state nearly unchanged right and as we found more evidence and developed those hypotheses we've that's where we've had these Eureka breakthroughs like with the fire scenario with the nicobar islands location um and to me that's the fun stuff because it it shows that it's real right we would not be able to come up with all of this if this stuff was fake right this we would have that's another key thing sorry is um you said basically unchanged but not completely unchanged like as you get new evidence you do um revise so like that's important too yep and I mean even I've been going through the all evidence list no you're fine I've been going through the all evidence list and we've deleted a few things that are like no longer really in play anymore you know one thing that we keep going back and forth on is the Iranian passengers you know who were these refugees that were supposedly they were actually not supposedly they were factually using stolen passports they were traveling together they changed their appearance to look like the past stolen passport Sports you know in a hijacking scenario these are your Prime suspects they were traveling to Beijing but the the idea is they were trying to get to Amsterdam well there's direct flights from qual lumur to Amsterdam the idea that these people were just like ruled out within like three days while we were going through this South Indian Ocean narrative that has no evidence for it it's pretty mind-blowing to me so those people potentially come back in or out depending on which narratives you believe right and that's what I like about this case the most is there's still so much mystery despite the fact we have this huge 17-page document of evidence is that we still don't know everything we've got a pretty clear picture now uh but there's still a lot of room for ambiguity um and I think that ultimately that we're not going to know the full truth until the government comes out and says something what I'll say is I'm not letting anyone set any narratives um I won't name any people but like there was people today that were claiming that oh this this is the classic CIA Playbook or something like that right and they were trying to post some evidence but you know the evidence was false that they were posting the and their conclusions they were making is based on false evidence and I'm not going to let people like that set the narrative um and if the government tries to do that that's the reason why we stack the evidence so high it gives them no wiggle room at all they basically have to come out and say this is non-human intelligence or yes these are our orbs like nothing else makes sense from a story perspective um and that's what I'm doing here is that when they do come out and they try try to claim whatever I'm going to be the first person to check and see does their story line up with the evidence because if it doesn't then we can rule that out um and that's why you know we have a bunch of narratives but none of those narratives are very beneficial to the US government at this point my personal opinion on their attack strategy is that they're attacking the black hole because they need a way to be able to admit the videos are real without admitting to the technology that's what they need so their attack Vector is okay will claim that the the orbs and the the black hole are fake somehow we're not going to let them do that either we've we've been able to explain the science we've shown that from a visual effects perspective there is no discrepancies we have this huge list of requirements which essentially rules that out and if they try to claim that they're the ones who made it because they want to you know hoax an alien invasion or whatever okay well nobody's going to believe that right at least we might believe that but the general Public's not going to um so really there's no explanation other than the truth that's going to make sense that's again the reason why I love these videos and even early on I looked at them went huh government's not going be able to say anything about these as long as we stack the evidence high high enough up uh they're just getting stuck and that's what's happening right now that's why the media won't touch it because anyone who big who touches this it just brings more attention to it that's why people are afraid to say my name because if they do it just brings more people to it more people to the evidence more people are going to know the truth and that's why I think that if we do reach some of these huge hug huge platforms then it's just going to be all over for the official narrative like even Harden Skeptics go huh okay this is this is a lot of evidence for for a conspiracy here um yeah good comments guys and also I just at this point since we're getting close I want to thank everybody um who's in here right now listening of course and and taking the evidence like my strategy again all cards on the table is I want everybody to know I'm not trying to hold back evidence I'm not trying to keep it from anyone else because the more people that know know the more protected I am in general too right so if I disappear for whatever reason you guys are going to rise up and take my place I'm not anybody special not doing anything special the evidence is going to be out there you can take the same evidence and you can tell the world about it right um and that's what I care about is the truth uh so you know that's what I've been doing here is pushing the evidence out there and what I like to say too is I want to thank the communities not just the Twitter communities even the other social media communities that we've discussed today a lot of them have contributed from the early days and I think I've sourced all of them along the way I've not stolen anyone's information you know when you post information on social media that's public information I'm not stealing anybody's story I've developed my own story for what I think has happened and that's my story but I open anyone else up to create their own stories based on the same evidence so you know even though we've had falling outs with people I've had a lot of people and it's actually it's stopped recently but early on especially a lot of people trying to tell me what I should believe what I should follow and you know that's why we had to set rules around that so if we've had falling outs with people I want to go ahead and say there's nothing personal related to that I just have to protect myself and protect the Fidelity of the investigation and that's what I had to do from the beginning so if people feel like they were blocked banned whatever and it they feel like they it was not justified they are free to reach out to me either through a proxy or whatever else I will take a look at the situation and determine whether or not I did so unjustifiably and potentially unblock them so far that's only happened like one time and I went ahead and did unblock those people I it's happened a couple times and I've unblocked them um and if I did so in false case I I apologize for that but I will look into and see whether or not it really was a false case so you know don't uh just come to me and ask and then have me go find out that you're sitting there talking crap about me because if that's the case then you know it's not going to happen so anyway I just wanted to say that and again thank you guys so any other last questions we have may do yeah we we yeah we got a couple hands up so we'll we'll we'll milk you you for all of your knowledge um so uh imos am I saying your name right I know there's lots of little dots and things over the letters yeah sorry if that's confusing for you Melo um you have it right though I was just curious because I know I've seen um Pi's interview on I think he did one with Project Unity um I'm not sure Ashton if that's the one that you had referenced but I was trying to remind myself and like refresh myself on the deal with Pas and I know that um in Ross cold heart's book he dedicated an entire chapter to the puzzling patents of um Dr salvator P and that's bizarre I was just going to read it in Ross I've got it in front of me I've just taken photographs of the pages on the same thing yeah yeah you know if you want to read the pertinent um what you deem pertinent that's probably more appropriate I just had a couple of things but yeah please go ahead God I feel really bad now here's me taking photographs of it um the pertinent thing is obviously the patent bit which is summarized um in a really good bit here Dr pay's incredible patent begs a more intriguing question if the US Navy has cracked this technology then where could he plausibly have got his ideas from if what Nat kobit told me is correct that a UAP reverse engineering program was already underway is it totally outside the realm of probability that the US has been replicating an alien craft and is now about to make a light speed leap in technological break breakthroughs P's application for a spacecraft patent included a reference to a scientific paper written in 2015 which suggested there was a theoretical possibility for Super luminal Craft propulsion in a special relatively relativity framework and finally a reference to Star Trek superluminal is a cool word for faster than light Star Trek warp speed stuffff that's pretty cool piece yeah I 100% agree with the conclusions made I mean um I'm not sure how direct I'm going to be with uh salvator pas on that but my personal opinion is that uh he must have been looking at some craft and was able to reverse engineer the science around it right when you look at those patents they're very very specific in terms of what they're doing and they when I remember first seeing them I think in 2018 or whenever they appeared I just went you just combine these three patents and you got a UFO bam there it is right um yeah because there's a couple of them just so anybody that like doesn't know um the first patent is um quoted uh room temperature superconductor the second patent is electromagnetic force field generator the third highfrequency gravitational wave generator and then the fourth patent which is you know cart categorizes it as the zest um the craft using an inertial Mass reduction device and what we been talking about here guys we've been talking about all those things right so that's why when people said hey you should reach out to salber or Pi I went holy are we looking at his his stuff right here right and that's another reason why I think it's our Tech I mean this guy patented it so you look and the patent that backstory is really well um summarized in uh this chapter of this book it it kind of talks about how we don't know anything about um the the Breakthrough or like the um you know the research and stuff that went on and that they were approved it says here um as far as we know nothing that Dr Pas said in his patent application had any basis in known and proven scientific techn or technological breakthroughs and neither had it been subject to Independent peer review or scrutiny oddly he still got his patent largely because the Navy vouched for his Discovery and then it just goes on from there I just thought that was interesting thank you yeah if you listen to The Theory of Everything podcast he actually talks about that so in mine uh just from time purposes I'm probably only going to talk with him about like okay I don't want to dig too much into the you know how it got approved like the disinformation out there which is just patently false is and no pun intended is that oh you can patent anything that's not true at all um the reason why they push back so hard is that the people who were the investigators or whatever you know or the not the the patent office like didn't think it could be real and so that's why the Navy had to come and step in and say oh yeah no it is you got to approve this right and so that alone disproves this idea where you can just patent anything um and that to me is what LEDs a lot of credit uh to his his story about it but in addition to that I mean the technology that we're talking about there is exactly what we're seeing here um and so what he was actually asked in that podcast too um what did they ask him they asked him a couple koi questions you guys should check it out yourself for sure um but he actually had to dance around a couple of the questions I think one of them was around the nural mass reduction oh no one of them was the solid state Boose Einstein he actually got asked about that and he said that oh I'm he said I'm a patriot and so you know I have to be careful what I say is pretty much on that which really led me to believe that that's what's being hidden right is the inertial mass reduction for a solid object not just for a plasma but for a solid object that you can create a solid object and be and get the state of Quant um and that's where the inertial mass reduction theoretically comes into play but again for a lot of this stuff I can't imagine that we just came about this naturally the way it's presented just seems like okay this the same concept that I give of the caveman and giving them the iPhone it's like okay they didn't figure out how to make an iPhone by themselves as a caveman they they looked at it it took them hundreds of years and then they the material science caught up to the point where they were able to reverse engineer it and then the caveman goes and patents the iPhone and all the other cavemen go no that's impossible that's stupid right and blah blah blah can't it can't be real and then you find out oh no but really iPhone is real and they did actually you know they but they didn't figure it out on their own they were looking at it and that's how they were able to determine that um so yeah I find his stuff to be very credible I think that it is we are staring at it in these videos and that's another reason why I am so convinced that these videos are really authentic fully fully authentic you say you know the name of the person that leaked it why have you not spoken with them well I mean if you think about it if you look at the evidence around it he took a plea deal and he went to prison for seven to nine years and we ignored these videos while he was in prison the entire time so can you imagine the psychological state of this guy first of all he was convinced and told yeah but you said that's the one thing you want yeah no definitely and I think the answer there is that you have to be very careful right could put this guy in danger is one thing thing um and what I'll say is I'm keeping a lot of this close to the vest I say prism was the safest place personally yeah it's hard to say right um but the reality too is if he took a plea deal then they most likely want to keep this guy quiet so they want to keep him happy as well so what I would imagine is that they would give him a job potentially related to like a contractor or something like that in the military uh to a degree where like he and and he actually admitted they basically convinced him that what he did was wrong so I'd imagine his psychological state is a state where he's not going to want to talk he's going to run if we try to talk to him now what I would say is that if this comes out there's he can't hide right the media eventually would come for him and find out where he's at get him to talk uh the fact that I've been saying his name so much and he hasn't come out and said hey man stop talking about me I'm not the guy is uh a little bit telling to me right if he wasn't the guy I feel like he would have let me know early on but I I'm I'm convinced I mean I've looked at the stuff we're not going to find somebody else who fits the bill better than this guy and you can take a look at my piece on it um you know the evidence on why Agent 370 is Edward Lieutenant Commander Edward cin I like to use his military rank because I believe that he they the government did a disservice to him by uh you know making him take that plea deal and I believe he was abused as well and pretty much psychologically tortured to the point where he took the plea deal um but the reality is like if we can get the protections for him then absolutely right um but I don't want people harassing him as well because again think about what this guy went through we ignored these videos for seven and nine years who knows if he's even on the side of disclosure at this point you know he might have he's done he needs his work Vindicated then so he needs you just as much as you need him yeah and I plan to vindicate him regardless one way or the other uh if it's the last thing I do I plan to vindicate that man um because to me this this technology is again has the capability of changing the circumstances of millions if not billions of people on this planet every day I go by 10 homeless people when I go outside and come back people that have nothing on this Earth and it's just a crime to me that people are sitting out there Rich Elite people determining what the time frames going to be for disclosing this who's going to own this super advanced technology who's going to get even richer off of it while people out there have nothing at all while their mental states are deteriorating because they're living out with uh in the in the inclement weather right with no shelter even you know I I just can't live with it is the reality of it I couldn't live with keeping this secret um and that's part of the reason why I'm so driven and what keeps me going is all you guys and all my supporters as well that believe the same thing um and that's what kind of gives me the drive and the passion to keep going with it so what I would say though if you're like a reporter you know and you find that information compelling then you know we we should push forward all avenues where we can theoretically prove these videos to be real but keep in mind again the mental state of someone who's like that with the leaker right and maybe there's other avenues like we could try to find Regis sideon non the problem with that is that reges sideon non in my opinion is probably from uh South America just based on the fact that a lot of the people that uploaded the videos were in Spanish um and if that's the case they don't have the same protections as an American has um and I do worry about their potential uh situ ation um they're less tracked I tell you it's it's benefited me not being American on a lot of the co stuff I was investigating yeah you in some cases sure in the case of like Advanced military equipment that you know information that they're trying to keep quiet um I think you want to you want to be have those American protections um and not necessarily South American but the other thing too is that I feel like that person would have come out right if they were somewhere in a situation where they could speak they would have reached out to me or they would have reached out to somebody you know recently so I definitely worry about that account um because I think they did have direct contact with the leaker based on the fact that in the description it says protected and based on the fact it took several weeks for them to post it tells me they probably had to be convinced themselves and then they argued with other people that the videos were authentic based on the description of people who uploaded them later on so yeah there's a lot of evidence there I think what we need is we need that bill that's going through Congress right now that will allow for more advanced whistleblower protections because if we can get that then perhaps that's enough incentive for people like uh Lieutenant Commander Edward C Lyn to come out and risk his plea deal because if he does come out and speak he's probably going back to prison but if he comes out as a whistleblower maybe it's enough I don't know um hey Ashton I was trying to find it um the link to your uh um petition for for congress because it'd be great to put that up in the nest so folks can uh help sign and distribute it yeah I'm trying to find it myself people I see it normally when I just like every day I kind of do a search on MH370 and see what people are saying out there um and a lot of times I'll see the petition put out there which is pretty awesome um where people are reposting it I'm trying to find a link to it um while that's going on your last questions go ahead there it is uh if anyone has a question they can go before me but I was going to say something too yeah yeah please man it's definitely your turn oh okay yeah know um I sent uh to Ashton and Roy uh I sent him them both a link to a UFO patent of the Triangular craft that's ours I believe and I also sent Roy I sent you a comment on Reddit that I made that he told me about some stuff and I made a comment out of it and I sent that to you too awesome yeah I'll take a look at that um I just went ahead and shared I think I shared the the um let's see is it up there yeah there it is so just now I just put the change.org uh thing in there which basically is just a list uh a link actually somebody else made this on my behalf um to the letter to Congress so if you want to sign that if you're I think you might have to be American I don't know but if you're willing to sign it sign it um because I'm not kidding about going to Congress I'll fake it I can fake being American Trump can do it I can do itan it's just a petition so anyone can do it ignore it anyway but we're just trying to what we're doing right now just full cards on the table is we're trying to increase the pressure right we've got the evidence lined up we're trying to draw attention to it we're trying to also make it so that nobody can deny that they didn't see it like these news organizations like anyone who reaches out to me at this point even these UFO disclosure people who been quiet the moment they start reaching out to me first question I'm going to ask is why you been quiet for so long right that's the very first question I'm asking anybody I I wouldn't do that you pretty much piss them off because I can tell you're working for the BBC if if I got that attitude I'd probably put the phone down on you just say fine that's fine by me just quickly can I just ask why why is it contractors that uh are always on the UFOs or you know that side of it um I I I heard you know that that's what they they do the military they would always use contractors as such in fact my father was a contractor when he left the raft at gchq but um he certainly wasn't in a in a NASA UAP thing why do you think that is why do they not do it with in-house in employees yeah that's a good question I mean the answer there is because you can protect it from Freedom of Information Act requests right private companies they can Shield that information part of the other argument that I've heard is that it's easier to reverse engineer in the private sector whereas in the government sector it's too easy for it to leak out and you when you compartmentalize the the knowledge like if you think of Bob Lazar he only had access to one part of the UAP right and you have to keep it very compartmentalized because otherwise if you someone sees the the whole picture now you have to it's harder to keep them quiet right so from the private sector perspective it's a lot easier is that those people stay there you can see all the information you can keep them all quiet and happy and it's all shielded from Freedom of Information Act requests I personally believe that if there are uaps out there that they've given them to locked Martin north of grummond all these huge multi-billion dollar companies that they don't have any like commercial products right that they sell out there they have some but really they're just intimate with the government all most huge percentage of their fundings come from the government so that's my opin andu in Russia the giu being the equivalent of the SAS in the UK and no doubt a load of independent intelligence services in the US yeah so that's my op isn't it interesting though that the uh for P's patent anyways that it was the naval intelligence like missile people that nudged along the patent process and got it approved like all and that that's where Pas Works um yep so I I don't know thinky but yeah think heavy involvement yeah no the Navy is the ones who are 100% involved in the UAP program right oh yeah everything links back to the Navy on this stuff they own Area 51 yeah and so like exactly everything's linked to these to the Navy I mean they're the ones if anything I mean maybe the Air Force as well I've heard because they have space force right but the Navy is the one who I heard back from that all these sightings and stuff and because it's either they're either over water or not really sure exactly what the connection is um it's the Genesis of the UAP phenomenon in my book like that's just my speculation I think that like when first happened like in the 40s before or like right around 47 um like you said they're they're on um a lot of these things crashed into the ocean or whatever um I think it was like those are the OG people who handed down you know past the p on to other people but that's just speculative but you know just reading that you know about the pi patents I hadn't even noticed that until like 10 minutes ago I'm like oh yeah more Navy people um but definitely the Air Force and didn't the Air Force like wasn't the Air Force born of the Navy maybe I maybe I'm incorrect anyway not sure but totally agree with you on the Navy side and I recognize that about those patents right away and I was like huh that's pretty weird especially because like they want to patent it so that other people can't Pat especially if you imagine like this information is out there and starting to leak out there and other people are going to start reverse engineering it they want to be the ones to patent it before somebody else does before somebody else does exactly what Salvador Pas does right um because otherwise it gets really awkward because now it's like oh you've have these things but a private person patented them and their name and it's not related to the government like how do you fight that now now the only way to fight that is you have to expose you have the technology so it's definitely an awkward situation from the legal perspective and I think that's how you get the government that's how you catch them and that's why too like with my Freedom of Information Act requests like I don't really have a lot of faith in Freedom of Information Act requests but doesn't mean I'm not going to try because no matter how they respond it's going to give us information they've rejected basically every Freedom of Information Freedom of Information request that I've put in uh except for the one about the general and their emails who they claimed that they didn't have any emails so that also tells me information too it tells me they're not they're not communicating uh their military movements and their operations by email so you can still glean some information from that was the specific did you say the general which one yeah so that was the General that I had heard from my sources that their nephew had shown them the videos General retired General Joseph F Dunford supposedly he has a nephew actually didn't even verify he has a nephew but if we verify that he does then it'll add even more credibility I already believe that he does have a nephew um and that he didn't uh laugh at the videos at all turns out he was in charge of the International Security forces in 2014 and despite the fact that the search was a complete failure and nobody found any parts of the plane he got a promotion to the highest ranked military officer uh in the United States government advisor to the president to the Joint chief of staff department of or Secretary of Defense and so he was the highest ranked military officer 2019 despite the fact that you know they didn't find anything from part of this plane during his tenure and then what did he do after he retired in 2019 became board of directors at locked Martin that's quite the career if you ask me yeah hey Logan you got your hand up yeah I was going to say that's it just seems so typical doesn't it it always seems to be like uh where they tend to uh ride up into the sunset is that those uh those handful of companies right doesn't seem to be a and like we were just talking about right that's in my mind where you go to hide the information if what we're looking at is their technology then wouldn't surprise me if locked Martin's the one uh building the orbs either honestly or whatever we're seeing that's being able to create those orb that orb effect um yeah yeah don't they own like all the land around like um is it I think it's Whit Sand's missile base think lucky bought up uh kind of weird but um anyway uh oh I totally forgot I was gonna add uh oh well how you doing doing good how are you doing that was Logan right sorry it's hard for me to tell yeah man how's it going man nice to hear damn yeah down here but yeah go ahead keep going um you were like uh I think it was a space that Melo and I was doing that um I think you're your first couple spaces on your on this account right but I think you used to come to spaces before like on a different account right I mean when did you start like um doing this whole activis thing for this whole thing yeah this is the only account I've had I did end up changing my account name just because I had this account account from uh like way back in 2014 when I was a lot younger and played more video games and you know uh was going to use this account to try to promote that but I never really did or anything like that uh I was never into Twitter Duty uh no for me it was League of Legends was the game that I was big into at the time um I liked strategy stuff in general um but yeah and then when this started to come about you know I I tried to pick which social media platform as you can tell I'm not a huge fan kind of Reddit in general um and so I figured the Twitter just given the fact that what I read about the Twitter files and Elon must taking over that that would be the least likely for me to be censored um and so I basically repurposed my existing account to you know do this and that's why you know you'll see pretty much just this on my account um going back and uh yeah I haven't deleted anything you know even I didn't even delete old old tweets or anything like that either I left everything up because reality is I want people to see that I'm a normal person um who has my own uh political uh you know opinions in general although I would say that I'm very apolitical especially after seeing these videos the reality is that both sides of the political Spectrum are hiding this it's uh not limited to one or the other um and yeah yeah definitely yeah thanks Lan I definitely Vibe with that whole aspect of this area of research is that it it does uh unite everyone and it helps us get you know past our petty terrestrial differences with politics and things like that because um you know that just distracts us from finding the truth and the truth is you know much bigger than just um anything just uh terms of our human present tense it's it it it's you know about learning about much more than that the thing the things that could potentially like I think Ash and others were discussing earlier could potentially help us get through these horrific circumstances we're in right now think we'll ever learn the truth the real truth I think we will it's a matter of time right like eventually they'll be able to admit it the question is hopefully it's not 50 years from now right the time that they'll be able to admit this is when they uh tell the truth of the technology that's probably the time frame we're dealing with here I don't think they're afraid of telling the truth that they were looking at MH370 I think they're afraid of uh the technology and the corroboration there is that what really happened here is a lithium ion battery fire and that's a very mundane event relative to hyper advanced technology so it explains like why would you have to cover that up why build this whole fake Narrative of South Indian Ocean well the answer is pretty apparent is that this technology can't be revealed and part of the reasons probably they didn't want to reveal to China and Russia but the reality of because the videoos leaked it kind of obsoletes that excuse right and now it's more of an issue of you know you have to admit to the world that you have this super advanced technology that could change the world and you've been hiding it can you imagine the consequences people lose their minds I mean look at how angry or whatever we are about them lying about it if they tell this to the the whole world it's going to break people's minds and I'm not even joking about that a lot of people that think that whatever they hear on the TV is true if you were to tell them this and this type of this level of conspiracy is real it will shatter all trust forever not just the US government probably almost all governments because it's not just them lying about this you say that but the Mexican Government had two small aliens in a glass case that they presented at a big news conference and nobody battered nid and I don't think anybody's even spoken about it since there were three of them actually and they had names I forgot them though mummies and interestingly enough Jamie maon who uh actually did a piece about us and I spoke to him personally and uh looked at this case and I don't think that's over yet either but if you look at it they use the same disinformation tactics right is attack the source nobody spoke about it and it wasn't covered in any papers in the UK I can tell you that we were talking about it here and we're still researching it actively just so you know um and I I could not agree with you more that it um what you're saying in terms of this I think Ashton uh you're always honest and everything and you're telling your truth but I think the world is ready for this and I think if anything we'll have to just try to get the world's attention so they don't just forget about it after a couple news Cycles don't forget about me yeah no I agree and I think that that's um again it's that you know if they were to reveal that too it's Paradigm shifting a lot like the technology here is Paradigm shifting so uh my mind is not necessarily made up on that though I am leaning towards th them being authentic um but you know I it's hard to say I just haven't even had time to dig into it honestly but I would say that if you care about that type of thing then you know become an activist for it you know dig into the evidence share the evidence the same way that I'm sharing in the evidence right now right if you're watching my stream right now you're watching 17 pages of evidence that I've been kind of formatting here trying to make a lot cleaner I think you can do the same thing with the nasam mummy evidence I I am doing that by the way sorry this you're the star of the space but but but uh money peny which is a lovely name I invite you to join and collaborate on this because um it's something I'm actively uh working on well I'd love to if you send me a DM with the details that be great you guys are streaming right now on YouTube yeah I was watch I was watching um Ashton on YouTube earlier I've only got two devices and one of them needs charging so I was a bit stretched yeah I'm gonna close on the stream in a minute too but I will be streaming tomorrow uh before the pi interview um working on the P interview working on the evidence list and getting prepared for some podcasts I have coming up as well because not only do I want the evidence list ready but I want the talking points because not only is this about having the evidence lined up you have to present it in a very specific way too and so for me the way I like to start is breaking down the official narrative because that's the part where people have ingrained into their mind right then you start getting into okay guys let's start dealing with the hyper advanced technology that's being help kept hidden right um and so I think how you present it is just as important as the weight of the evidence itself I will just say when I when you say how do you present it I am not uh you know an expert in this I did find some of your longer very Tech techical videos really hard work um so maybe I would say present it by doing an abstract and a summary at the beginning for maybe 10 minutes or so and then say to people right if you want to go into the depths now I'm going into it because I think for anyone who you're trying to sell the story to or grab them before you go into the detail I did find it heavy goinging that's just feedback which I hope will be useful no it is actually I think my own mother told me that early on is that you have to digest it and break it down I mean the reality is there's it's so much in this is so involved in terms of evidence perspective that it's really hard to boil down and that's kind of what I think that looking at the Congressional letter is kind of my best approach to it where you know I I gosh that was a long letter I couldn't believe that Ashton it was brilliant but it was incredibly long yeah I mean it's yeah I tried my best to just Ste it down so what's coming up as well is going to be Veritas which is truth and that's you know my truth of what I think happened and I'm hoping to be able to that down into two pages I think the Congressional letter is like five or six or maybe even close to eight um yeah be careful they don't get confused on that with project Veritas because journalists will react very differently if they think it's a project ver more right I think project Veritas is gone now I think yeah the big guy left but I think they're still you know doing some stuff good call I do need to be careful about that so thank you guys all for the info or the questions there is there any more that we need to get before we close out because otherwise I'm going to have to go to sleep here pretty soon I am tired yeah we got to let you prepare and not that you know you'll be great but just get your your beauty sleep not that you need that either but you know okay we're going to let you go uh but any last questions before that you're a machine man you're a machine just a big thank you yeah and thank you guys back uh thank you for all the support thank you for getting the word out I've seen people out there spreading the evidence which is honestly brings joy to my heart because again I want to empower everybody with the evidence help make sure they get it out there feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions about it uh I'm an open book um I I answer pretty much all my DMs as well although it does get harder and harder now that we've grown to such a significant um size so again thank you all very much uh for being here can I say one thing one more time or one little n message good night darling it was lovely listening to all you thank you good night okay cool yeah thank you thank you to our special guest yes please continue good night oh good night to you as well good night to everyone okay this is the sad part where I have to like good night it was very interesting okay anyone else want to say good night as well God love Ashton God love that man and then and everyone else too yes you know this is when I get mushy to you know I do love you people this is a wonderful Community I'm grateful to be here doing the UFO Twitter week with you guys and it's you know I think part of the essence of it in terms of an Asal kind of initiated this wonderful collaborative Community thing is that you know bring in um people who are experts and or at the Forefront of of you know this topic this world this field of inquiry into the nature of reality and Ashton like definitely is like a fantastic example of that and the idea is to you know open it up to the community as much as possible so that we can all kind of access this wisdom and uh Vibe together so I'm just really grateful for everyone here let's continue this collaborative approach to uh finding the truth and I'm going to have to hit the kill switch but it's not cuz uh you know I'd keep this going but we we got to let Ashton go so I love you all good night okay close down that so yeah we're going to finish this up tomorrow probably get this kind of at least in a rough draft format we've got most of the bullet points set up here um probably going to remove some of the narrative stuff probably won't keep a lot of that we'll see we got a little bit of extra stuff down here as well we going to go through but I think a lot of this is already addressed up above but yeah so come check it out tomorrow guys um tomorrow interview with Salvatore Pi will be at 2 pm. eastern time I'll make a post about it tomorrow morning probably just as a reminder for people and then I'll jump in and start streaming and get the questions ready I actually have already been working on them they're not super detailed right now this is really all I have at the moment um and I may revise some of these as well and then I have uh actually a list of notes with new stuff I'm going to add I also need to finish getting through The Theory of Everything uh podcast so I'm going to try to speed through some of that maybe even tonight uh thank you guys for all being here if you missed it you can check out the replay um the moment I close it down you should be able to watch the replay um it'll be out there I probably won't upload it you can just check my live Tab and you can check out everything so have a good night everybody or morning for Jim and the other people in there yeah 2 p.m. Eastern tomorrow is going to be the Salvatore Pas so thank you guys for being here tonight and uh we'll be in touch tomorrow take it easy guys