The Legacy of Charlie Kirk and the Demise of the Woke Right

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# The Legacy of Charlie Kirk and the Demise of the Woke Right [Music] Investigate Earth podcast. I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're going to dive into one of the most explosive conversations that kind of emerge after this uh tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk. Um in the days since, Ian Carol and Candace Owens have both sparked outrage uh by suggesting Israel is the one that bears responsibility for the Charlie Kirk assassination. Now, obviously, these comments have ignited debate across media, politics, the conspiracy world, and there has been one person in particular that has been speaking out against Ian Carol and Kendis Owens, and that is Ashton Forbes. With us tonight is Ashton Forbes, who is here to kind of cut through the noise and respond to some of these claims um that Ian Carol has made alongside Candace Owens. And for those that do not know, um Ian Carol and uh especially Ian Carol has been a friend to our show. He has been a friend to Ashton as well. Um, so let's go ahead and welcome Ashton Forbes on to the stage. Ashton, welcome, man. How's it going? >> Oh, it's going. How are you guys? >> We are fantastic. It's so good to have you back on, man. We've uh obviously we've had you on so many episodes on our podcast on audio primarily. We we primarily do audio. We are doing video on tonight's episode. Uh what we do have to make an announcement for those that have not saw Ashton Forbes uh post over the past I don't know a couple of hours as Ian Carol did back out as of right now. Now I did actually send Ian Carroll the link to this. So if he does change his mind somewhere in between here and we see him pop up then he can come in. Um, but Ashton, just go ahead and first talk about kind of where this all started with Candace Owens, Ian Carol, and for those that do not know or don't have a backstory on this, what we do know is Ian Carol about a year ago, he came on our podcast. I know he's came on your stuff, he supported your work a lot. Um, he also supported our work quite a bit. One of my critiques of Ian was, you know, kind of once he hit the mainstream, right? And I think that was something you had actually said on your ex account. And he said it kind of seemed like it was, you know, him kind of hitting mainstream to where he kind of just, I don't know, ignored everybody in the past and especially things that were consequential to his beliefs or kind of his belief system. One of the things I criticize him of, and this is something that I had said, is like once you build your platform on everything is Israel, then it's kind of hard to decipher anything that isn't Israel. give us a little bit of the backstory on um on Ian Carol and Candace Owens. >> Well, if you could first just share uh the image that I posted that I shared in here. I just want everybody to look at this. This is Erica Kirk. Her husband was just assassinated. She has two children who she can't even tell what happened to her husband, to their father because of how horrific it is. People out there have no empathy whatsoever. They have completely lost the plot. We are through the looking glass at this point. People that are making up fake conspiracies for their own just mentally deranged sick political agendas need to be locked up in an insane asylum. >> Yeah. Think about look at her eyes and think about what you are doing to her and to her family. >> It literally does not matter what it what the truth is. What really matters is what's happening to Erica Kirk and her family. The people whose lives were destroyed when an assassin put a bullet through Charlie Kirk's neck. >> Yeah. That image will never get out of my head for as long as I live >> for sure. >> And the first thing I want to say is the people out there that are pushing these conspiracy theories about it, they are the worst scum sucking pieces of [ __ ] on the face of the earth. People wanted me to come on here and be nice. I am not Charlie Kirk. He was a better person than I am. this guy, the people that are doing this, they trying to claim the high ground that they're just asking questions, which I call jacking off. These people that are doing this, just asking questions, they're not doing this for the truth. They're claiming to be victims, cuz people are attacking us for just asking questions. They're not the victims. Charlie Kirk and Erica Kirk are the victims. How dare you even try to propose that? You are the worst human beings out there. Just tell the truth of what you're doing. What they're doing is they saw an opportunity to make this about their political agenda and they took it immediately. Ian Carol, Candace Owens, Ryan Mata, Jason Hinkle, John Cullen. These are the worst scumbags ever and they should be shunned from polite society. Yeah. >> Not only have they been making making up fake conspiracies since less than 24 hours after he was shot, >> they're still doing it right now. Ian Carol is literally replying to people just less than an hour ago after he dodged this debate. I've been calling out these liars for a week. I made a big post that went viral about how I disavow these people. I owe them nothing. People are trying to say, Ashton, they they platformed you. So, don't you have to don't you have to agree with whatever they say? No. Hell no. In fact, to have integrity means to say when somebody is lying, to call them out, to say, you know what, even though they're technically my friends, even though they did me a favor, platform me before, I'm going to still do the right thing instead of just the line. So the the what has been happening is that these people and it started actually with Sam Tripoli. Sam Tripoli was pushing this early on September 12th. That was over a week ago. >> And I started calling him out because I saw right away how this was going to fester and grow and their agenda is clear. Their agenda is they saw an opportunity to blame this on Israel and they went all in on it. They are. None of these people are trying to get the truth for what happened to Charlie Kirk. And the absolute way that you can prove that's the case is you just have to ask them one question. What who do you think shot Charlie Kirk? The moment you ask that of them, they have no answer whatsoever. And the reason is they're not trying to solve anything. They're not trying to put a story together. They're just trying to spin a narrative so that they can blame Israel because these people are 100% obsessed. They have a movement that they've created where they are trying to, you know, disassociate us from Israel. Whatever. I don't even care about that. I don't care about that. In fact, maybe it's a good idea to get foreign uh foreign lobbying out of our government. I agree with that. What I don't agree with is using Charlie Kirk's death to that end. dishonest >> and that is 100% what they've been doing. Do not let them gaslight. Do not let them get out of this. This is what they've been doing and it's aborant. >> Yeah. And you know there's a lot of people Ashton that have been saying since you have taken this pretty big stance u I guess a lot of people are saying pro- Israel stance. You are being pro- Israel now because you were calling out Ian Carol. You were calling out Candace Owens. you know, these people that have, as you say, platformed you, and I say more so Candace, I guess, than Ian, uh, you know, because we all used to kind of hang and and chat with Ian quite a bit. I wouldn't necessarily think that he has platformed you. I know you've been on Candace Owens once or twice, but what do you say to the people that say that you must have got paid now because you were so hardcore on this anti-Israel conspiracy about Charlie Kirk's assassination? Well, yeah. I want to address all those questions, too. And all the questions about people, you know, people have all these criticisms of me addressing this. And we're going to address all of them tonight. Before I do that, I want to just read a Bible passage, which is Matthew 24:28, which says, "Wherever there is a corpse, the vultures will gather." And that's what's going on here is these opportunists saw saw a chance to not only make it about Israel but to also get a bunch of clicks. They saw an opportunity to get a whole bunch of clicks and they took advantage. And again, another way to prove this 100%. Just ask them why didn't you just wait a week? Why did you immediately jump on this whole narrative in under 24 hours? None of this was going to go away. You could have waited a week. The reason why they didn't wait is because these are the worst kind of piece of [ __ ] grifters out there. What they do is every they need engagement. They whatever is the the hottest thing out there, they need to jump on it right away. Start making Tik Tok videos about it because it gets them huge amounts of views. That's why they're doing it. It's 100% why Candace Owen was doing it. She even she did three ad reads in one of her videos. She's bragging about how many people are watching her weirdo skitso videos >> that are just literally psychotic. Literally psychotic. And we're going to talk about some of those as well. I am not Jewish. I am not paid by anybody. I do and say whatever I want. And the reason why I decided to speak out about all of this is because I had seen this growing trend. I had never called these people out. even though there's several things that I significantly disagreed with where they were doing this same thing like with the Trump assassination attempt um and several other cases as well, but this was the this was the line for me because a man was politically assassinated politically assassinated and he was politically assassinated by a left-wing radical terrorist and this is our chance to actually stop some of this stuff. We've got trans shooters basically every few weeks happening, shooting up schools. And what I would tell the people out there that are the the people jacking off over this is, is it so incredible? Is it so impossible to believe that maybe it was just a radicalized leftist that did this? >> Is that so unreal for these people? >> Right? And so this is the reason that I have grown a large following. Now maybe not large but whatever you want to call it over the last couple years. And I can't think of any better thing to use that for >> than to tear down these disgusting grifters. They need to just be completely expelled from social. They can go into their own little corner of social media where they all do their little skitso stuff together and everybody else just ignore them. shun them, expose them for what they are, and remove them from polite society. So, that's why I'm doing this and no other reason. And for the people that a lot of people have said, stick to MH370, stick to politics, stick or stick to uh science or whatever. First of all, don't ever tell me what to do. I'm going to do whatever I want all the time. >> Yeah. >> Second thing is, I've learned a really good lesson from this. We can never give these people zero point energy. We can never give these people super weapons that can destroy our planet. A type of person that's willing to use a man's death to come up with a fake narrative to attack a whole group of people over it. That is exactly what the left does. Exactly. That's why the people that are doing this unambiguously are the woke right because they are identical to the woke left. They are gaslighting. They are making up narratives to vilify their adversaries so that people will attack them just like the left does when they say you're a Nazi. You're a fascist. You have to stop all the fascists. These people are doing the exact same thing, >> but they're doing it to the Jews, the Israelis. >> Yeah. >> And I won't stand for it on either side. >> It's not right when the left does it, and it's not right when the right does it either. >> Go ahead. Sorry, Ashton. Let me ask you this real quick because, you know, obviously Nick Fuentes, for example. Nick Fuentes I used to not necessarily agree with. I used to somewhat think that Nick Fuentes was similar to Ian Carol. Okay. So, and the more I watched Nick Fuentes, uh, over the past 2 years, I guess I guess I can say, and Nick Quentes has been around a lot longer than that. And for anybody, >> he's been going after Israel and Jews for 10 years. >> Yeah. >> He's not a grifter. That's what he his whole platform is on. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> He's not somebody that's came in and said, "Okay, let's go blame Israel for all this stuff." But um the difference in Nick Fuentes I guess in this kind of space is that Nick Fuentes like like you said he has backed up or at least um that has been his belief his core structure and he does believe that Apac is heavily infiltrated in US politics. He has called that out in some ways Nick Fentes has called that out very dramatically. He had said some wild [ __ ] out there. Right. And Ashton, I think you've said some wild [ __ ] too, but I think also at the same time that gets eyes to your video at the same time sending a message to where like it's heavily researched and I would almost say, and I could be wrong about this, I would say that Nick Fenz in some ways is kind of like you, but just not with MH370. I think with the Israel Apac situation. Now Nick Fuentes has commented on this whole thing. And one of the things I found interesting about one of his videos, I want to play this real quick. Um, it was Nick Fenta saying about the low IQ anti-semitism, which is kind of wild, but uh, let's go ahead and get to that real quick. I'm going to play this video for you guys. Check this out. This is Nick Fuentes and then we'll comment on it. Here you go. And the reason that I am digging in on this, I cannot [ __ ] wait for it to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that this was some left-wing douchebag because the low IQ anti-semitism is dragging us to hell. It really is. We have reached a critical mass. And let's be honest, since October 7th, it has been a grift for many to glom on and post the most base, and I don't I'm not saying based, I'm saying base as in low, simple, primitive. It has been a [ __ ] grift for various freaks and losers. They know that if they just shovel out the most low IQ anti-Jew content. That's the easiest way to blow up on Twitter right now. Just obviously. And as a consequence now, there isn't even a semblance of a movement. It's just an assortment of like Muslims that that are anti-white, many of them, and many of them aren't American. a number of weirdo leftists, other assorted people because it is so popular and just easy, frankly, to [ __ ] on Israel and get a following. Now, we have a ton of these people and they don't understand politics. They don't know anything about politics at all or how it works. All they know is how to press one button. And so everything that happens, now granted, because of the nature of the problem, that's a pretty reliable button to press. If you look at many of the of the events over the past two years, if you're pressing the Jew button every time, you're going to have like a 95% hit ratio. 99% hit rate. And on some level, you might be right. Bombing Iran, yep. Trump getting elected, yep. But some things it doesn't really work and it's showing the limitations of the new coalition. We have a real low versus elite human capital problem. And um this might be the biggest demonstration of that and the reason it's becoming a problem. I'll just reiterate very quickly and then we'll move on into the news. I don't want to spend all my time talking about this again on the show tonight. But look, this is a battle. This this is not a battle that I chose to have, but I'm being forced into it. I didn't want to step on everybody's toes. If people are blaming Israel, I said this to Dave Smith over the weekend. I said, if people are blaming Israel, I'm not really upset about that. But I started to get pissed off when people said, "Oh, you don't believe it automatically. You got the memo. You got the call. You're afraid. [ __ ] you. I'm still at my house. I'm afraid. I'm still at my [ __ ] house where someone tried to kill me. I'm not afraid of [ __ ] nothing. And I've been on this for 10 years. No, I'm not going to take [ __ ] from some health conspiracy theorist, from some cryptogrifter pointing the finger at me saying, "I'm not a true believer. [ __ ] you." >> So, there you go. So, there Oh, my bad. I I literally just took this off the screen. So, that was Nick Fuentes. And listen, I I got to say, you know, I I believe a lot of the stuff about Israel. I'm not going to lie. I mean, there there are a lot of things Apac, the influence on our politics, uh, you know, Nick Fentes even says that maybe Trump was actually elected because of Israel. You think about the funding, everything. You think about even just Democrats and Republicans. It's not on one side. We have politicians uh on both sides of the party on both sides, Democrat and Republican, that are heavily funded by Apac. There is also that accusation, which we don't know for sure about Charlie Kirk, that maybe he was offered $150 million uh to be more pro-Israel this week. But yeah, keep going. >> Okay, it's been dispelled. So, >> no, not yet. It's going to get dispelled probably once Erica Kirk goes on his her podcast. That was probably the reason why Ian backed out was that earlier this morning >> or maybe yesterday night, whatever it was, Erica Kirk apparently is going to go on a podcast and and address all these rumors and it's not going to be to confirm these rumors and there's no way it's going to be to confirm these rumors. So, the walls are closing in on these people and I've been railing on them for over a week >> and this should give me a lot of credibility way before all this stuff has come out, right? And they should have been waiting too. These people, they deserve everything coming to them because they could have just waited. They could have just waited and let's see how things play out, but they couldn't wait. And now the evidence is coming out and it's hammering them. All their fake narratives are going to be destroyed. Candace Owens pretended like she had some secret letter or something. Nick Nick Fuentes called her out, told her she needs to release that immediately. You can't just pretend like you have is this secret information that you know about. Candace Owens is one of the biggest liars I've ever seen. She's been lying nonstop about this situation. But before we get to her, I want to address Nick Fuentes. First, I'm sorry, Nick Fuentes. I believe the [ __ ] I owe you an apology form. I believe that you are some one of these people that just automatically blame the Jews for whatever it was. >> And you're not. >> Yeah. I actually watched one of his streams the first time >> and he actually went through the evidence and it would have been easy for him easy for him to just go you know what I'm gonna go all in on this Israel did it as well because for these people for the for these grifters out there the low IQ anti-semmites as he called them which is a very appropriate term for them >> it's a team sport it's a team sport for them it's not about what's true it's not about what's accurate for them it's about Whatever can blame Israel, whatever they can do to blame the Jews, that's correct. >> Literally, I've got Jake uh was it uh Jake Shields? Is that who it is? In my replies, literally saying that you're correct to always blame Israel. I'm just going, if that's your viewpoint, >> I've got to be honest. You are never allowed to have zero point energy technology. Never. Never in this world are you allowed to get that technology because you are not responsible or intelligent enough to handle the responsibility of that type of weaponry. >> Now, now that I've apologized to Nick, I I also want to let people know this. I haven't posted this and I haven't posted the proof, although I have it. Nick Fuentes has been liking my posts. He has been liking my posts calling out Ian Carol, including the one saying that I'm going to cook the [ __ ] out of Ian Carol, which was supposed to happen today, >> right? >> So, for the people out there that are holding out hope that Nick is going to change his mind, let me tell you, he also liked the post where I said that Candace Owens is a left-winger pretending to be a right-winger, and she is her and Ian Carol. These people are literally just pretending to be right-wingers, pretending to cozy up to right-wingers, and they're fracturing the party using this Israel [ __ ] That's what they're doing is they're pulling away. >> How do you think? How do you think they're left-wingers? >> They're the woke I mean, the woke right is the same as the woke left, right? And so, for example, if I Let me pull this up. I've got some clips ready to go right here for you guys. Let's get into Let's take a look at what Candace Owens was saying just yesterday. Here's Candace Owens if you want to pull this up literally defending Jimmy Kimmel. Jimmy Kimmel of all people >> of the Federal Communications Commission. Brendan Carr jumped up and he criticized uh Jimmy Kimmel's remarks. He threatened federal action against ABC affiliates who carried the show. What? Federal action? If you carry the Jimmy Kimmel show, does that seem right to you? Okay. Again, if you're on the right and you cheered this on, do you understand? We never, ever, ever should be applauding federal action when it comes to speech. Okay, we're all losing. We are all losing. You have to wake up. That's what happened. Brendan Carr of the FCC uh was joining Benny Johnson and that's that's what he said that he absolutely wants to make sure that people are not carrying this show. >> Yeah, that's I think enough of the clip. So, uh, first of all, nobody, the feds did not fire Jimmy Kimmel. They are allowed to criticize. They are allowed to go on shows and say, "Hey, you are literally violating FCC regulations." They are allowed to do that. And this is the this is the craziest. This is exactly what the left says. The left goes, "We didn't fire you from your job. We didn't force that. We didn't because you didn't get a vaccination. Because you didn't get this COVID shot. We didn't fire your your company did that. Uh but you said told the companies that anybody who doesn't get the shot has to be fired, right? This is the same [ __ ] So they first of all, the amount of hypocrisy right here is insane. Second of all, the FCC didn't take no action at all. Jimmy Kimmel literally went on television and lied intentionally. He said that this shooter, he says MAGA's trying to make this shooter into anybody but one of them. >> What this? And by the way, this is after the officials came out and said that this is a homosexual man uh living with a trans furry. Okay? After they said no question that that uh he he actually like went away from his family who is actually right-wing uh wrote anti-fascist stuff on the bullets. >> So for Jimmy Kimmel to go up there and lie like that, he should never be allowed to be on TV ever again, right? There shouldn't even this shouldn't even be controversial. >> It's actually disgusting that and the hypocrisy is that Jimmy Kimmel >> was literally out there bragging about how President Trump got deleted from Twitter. >> I mean, >> yeah, >> it's just so insane. I can't believe Candace Owens, we're so far through the looking glass when Candace Owens is defending Jimmy Kimmel. >> Well, so here's the thing, Ashton. And here here's what I'll say about the Jimmy Kimmel thing from from my perspective, right? So, and I don't understand like Candace Owens sounds like she's defending Jimmy Kimmel. And actually on our podcast where we talked about Jimmy Kimmel being cancelled. The thing I'm worried about, right, is if if we look back in the past four years, Camala Harris, Joe Biden era to where everyone on the right was being censored, silenced. Uh, literally the sitting president of the United States was banned on social media. And what did the left do? They celebrated. They cheered it. And one thing I said on >> Yeah. And and I said on those podcasts, I said the left, like whoever's listening to our show, just understand like eventually this [ __ ] will happen to you. So like whereas you might be cheering it on now, it's going to happen to you. This is not just a one-sided uh issue or deal. And so my thinking is I understand the FCC regulations. I understand all that. But why did no one do anything about all the crazy [ __ ] that Jimmy Kimmel has said in the past four years? And now all of a sudden Trump's in and now you have the FCC guy go on Benny Johnson to where he's saying hey yeah we got to do something about this and you know it wasn't hours later Jimmy Kimmel was canceled. I I think I think from my standpoint is and I think this I I hope that you would feel the same way with me is that even with your MH370 stuff, right? If you had what you do, you have a platform, you have YouTube, you have all these other platforms, but say that Trump or the government or whoever came and said, "We don't like what Ashton's saying." Uh because >> let me just cut you off. Let me cut you off. I get where you're going with this. Let me just cut you off. They already did it. They already did it. I'm not going to listen to any [ __ ] about, oh, it's a slippery slope if we do it. They literally already censored us, guys. People are going, "Hey, careful because it'll come back to you." They already did it. >> I lost my job because I wrote a lawsuit against the mask mandate in California. I lost my job over that. Okay? I don't want to hear any [ __ ] from anyone about slippery slopes. I'm somebody that suffered. many people did. Tim P is actually leading the charge on this on social media. We have to stop with this suicidal empathy and this virtue signaling. I see Seth Dylan of the Babylon be doing it going, "Guys, we need more speech. The answer to this is more speech." How delusional are these people? They're not living in reality. In reality, we have to shut down the media institutions that are radicalizing the left-wing domestic terrorist. That is the answer. And I will even tell you which ones. Reddit is the first one to go. Reddit needs to be seized by the feds and shut down. >> Reddit is the worst hive of scum and villain on the face of the earth. Literally. >> And you think about all these Yes. And you think about all these mass shootings, they all are on Reddit. This is where they go. >> Exactly. This shooter, I'm sure he was on Reddit. I'm sure he had a Reddit account. No question, no doubt. If you go to Reddit, they are cheering for Charlie Kirk's death everywhere. And if you speak out against it, you are instantly banned. >> So don't talking to me about censorship. You literally can't say anything that's even vaguely rightwing anywhere on Reddit or you're banned. >> Yeah. >> It's absolutely ridiculous. So the people that like Candace that are pushing this like we should be against this guys. >> It's over. That ship sailed. You know when that ship sailed? When you killed the guy that was trying to talk to you on college campuses. >> That was the guy that wanted to talk. >> So Ashton, what you're saying is, and by the way, this is kind of similar to um you know, we did the podcast on Jimmy Kimmel and I just kind of gave some of my thoughts. Freedom of speech, like absolute freedom of speech. >> But then as I watched Steven Crowder, for example, I watched Steven Crowder. I watched kind of what he said about off. >> Yeah. He was like, "Look, you know what? We're done with like being uh, you know, just pushed over. We're done with all this [ __ ] You know, if you come to our events, you do this [ __ ] we're going to meet you with violence if you are coming to, you know, put violence on us, right?" >> And and and I think that's kind of what you're saying is and and this and to this degree is like, well, you know what? You [ __ ] us and silenced us for years and now all of a sudden we're not supposed to silence you when you say the most horrific [ __ ] especially about someone that was assassinated in front of the world, >> right? >> Um on social media right away. >> It's not It's not that we're silencing their Chris. They can say the grossest stuff they want and people are losing their jobs for it. I'm not even that big of an advocate. It's when you're literally calling for violence like literally radicalizing in terrorism. when and there is a lot of that on Reddit that is going unpunished even though it literally violates sitewide rules. >> One more thing I want to say is that my subreddit did get banned. >> When people say, "Oh, then maybe they're going to ban you in MA Street." They did. I My subreddit didn't last two weeks. Didn't last two weeks. And you want to know what? When they banned my subreddit, you know what reason they gave me? None. Literally no reason. There wasn't even a rule violation. just said you're banned and I put in an appeal, no reason given. First they didn't respond, then I put another appeal in and they didn't respond again. So, and the only reason why it's not happening right now on Twitter or X is because Elon Musk bought it. That's the only reason. So, this is what I'm going to tell the people that want to talk about free speech. Either you shut them down or the next time they come back, they're going to shut down everything again. There is no talking our way through the problem. There's no unifying with these people. You either shut down their radical domestic terrorism or you don't. And this is or or we're going to all pay the price. And they want to kill us. >> They want to kill us for our speech or telling the truth. That's the real >> where where is the fine line though between hate speech, violence, and free speech? Like where is the fine line? Because when you think about whoever's in administration at that time, they have different definitions. You know, just like we had different definitions of gang of function, for example, like where is the fine line where we cut it down and we don't. >> That's what we should be debating. That's what people should be talking about. Where is the line? Can we agree to where the line is somewhere out there? Cuz right now, we don't have it at all. And I just got to be honest, from what I'm seeing, from the way that the left is reacting to this, the way they're cheering or what have you, they're not seeing the line in the same spot we're seeing the line. For them, the line is, "If you're against us, you're banned." Right? So, if you're that radical, >> I mean, there's nothing we can do to unify on that front. I don't know what to tell people. We're not in this Disney World movie reality where we're just going to talk this out. This was like this view that we had like in the 90s that I'll defend your your I I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend you it to the death. You know, that's not how we live anymore. >> These people literally just want to shut us down and that's it. So harsh actions have to be taken if we want to solve the problem or if we want to go ahead and have our suicidal empathy then more people are going to die. That's what's going to happen. Those are the choices. So just like with zero point energy sometimes there's not good choices. >> This is the reason why they hide zero point energy from us is because there's not a good answer because if we do give this technology out, we're going to blow ourselves. We're going to destroy ourselves. Can we really trust any of these people that are this radical with this type of weaponry? No, we can't. So, there's no good answer on that front. There's no good answer on this front either because we have let it fester too long. The systematic brainwashing on places like Reddit. They've been banning people like this since I'm going to say the Donald is when we had the turning point. >> Yeah. >> Uh, no pun intended was when the Donald got banned. That was the turning point when Reddit went full left-wing nut chop basically. So from the free speech issue, that's my view. That's what has to happen. I wholly agree with Tim P. And for a lot of people, it won't impact them until it happens to somebody in their family. >> Right? >> When somebody in their family is a victim, then they'll realize that radical action simply has to be taken. And we have to be careful and that if we are good and honest people then we will take appropriate action that stops the behaviors that are causing this without overreaching overstepping. >> Yeah. >> People that don't need it. >> But the last thing I'm going say is that like I said before people with account social media accounts YouTube accounts that had hundreds of thousands of pe followers what have you. They all got banned for going against COVID lockdowns, for speaking out against COVID shots, uh for saying that the election was stolen, which is a harmless thing to say. There was FBI going to people's houses because of things that they were saying on social media related to this. So, don't come at me with free speech [ __ ] We don't have free speech. We never have. It's a pipe dream. >> Yeah. I want I want to play this clip real quick. And this was uh Ian Carol on a podcast, which we'll talk about this um as soon as we play this, but this was Ian Carol on uh I can't even remember the guy's name to be honest with you and I don't really give a [ __ ] who this guy is. Uh but he is on the big streamer. I can't remember. You'll know who he is probably once we play it. But here is something that he said about the assassination. Listen, >> ever since it happened and I just saw found it on Instagram, I knew someone would take a mouser and disassemble it and give us the time of how long it takes to disassemble this rifle. And this dude who like clearly he is very experienced with this rifle. It takes him like multiple minutes to disassemble this rifle with multiple tools and then it doesn't fit in the backpack. Obviously, it's like not going down your pants. It's like, where the [ __ ] was this rifle? And why are you disassembling it on the roof? Allegedly, jumping down, running into the woods, reassembling it, changing your clothes, leaving the rifle, which apparently you could sneak around with in your pants anyways, and then you just leave it there and then you've left it there and you have to [ __ ] sit in your car for a day and a half to try to like wait to retrieve it. When it was like, what are you [ __ ] doing, bro? That is not a thing that people do. That's not real. Um, so I have some serious [ __ ] questions about this rifle. Um, >> yeah. And >> and I just don't know if we're ever going to get the answers. >> Probably not. Or it's going to take you I mean, look, we still haven't got the answer about Epste, so why would we get the answers >> or Butler? But but that's the thing is the Epstein files are right in the [ __ ] heart of this. Like, you're telling me that there just happens to be this old Ashkanazi Jewish guy saying that he did it. Shoot me. Shoot me. I did it. Shoot me. Shoot me. I did it. And he also was a [ __ ] he was on like on the scene for 9/11 and he called in a bomb threat to not the Boston but one of the other marathons. He's like clearly an agent. Like that's a spy. That's a spy. The reason why a dude that the reason why a dude of any nationality would show up at a whole bunch of major world events like that is because they're a part of organizations that orchestrate world events called intelligence agencies. Like that's a [ __ ] spy. I brought that up to to Owen and I said, you know, Utah is 99 something% white. There's barely any Jews there. He didn't seem to be too happy. I mean, he doesn't like the the anti-semitic, you know, implications that have. But it's like, let's just look at the facts. How many Ashkanazi It's just facts. How many Ashkanazi Jews are in Utah also saying, "Kill me, arrest me." Distracting all the law enforcement from there. He was also at 911. Is this guy just like, why would he? >> And now he has child porn on his on his phone, too. not beating any stereotypes and and he um he Yes. There you go. That was Ian Carol on Sneo. By the way, I want to point out who Sneo is first of all because I think this is important. Ian Carol goes on Sneo's podcast or live stream. Sneo is a Muslim. Sneo is definitely going for Mandami or whatever that dude's name is in New York City. Right. So I think that the problem with this whole scenario is is that we have completely forgotten about America first. I think that's why I am so hardcore on people listening more to Nick Fuentes, especially when it comes to this situation with Israel because I mean literally there are people in Nick Fuentes's own live stream now that are calling him a Jew plant. Like someone that is planted by Israel is Nick Fuentes. like of all people because he doesn't just all of a sudden go with this Israeli narrative of the assassination. Now, the thing you have to understand is like I think we're losing sight though of America first, which is huge. And I think there has to be some type of discourse or backlash on this because if you looked today, if any of you watched the Charlie Kirk memorial, the celebration of his life, >> I've never seen a bigger movement and a turning point literally for Christianity in America than I've seen since Charlie Kirk's assassination. And so Ian Carroll goes on Sneo, which is Muslim. You look at the UK, you look at what's going on over in the UK where Tommy Robinson is leading that protest and kind of the the the uprising of the people in the UK against the UK government, which is arresting people on an every freaking day basis. They're arresting 30 people a day in the UK for saying anything about the immigration and the people they they are infiltrating into the UK. If you fly a UK flag in the UK, you can be arrested. And it's because they are mass immigrating, especially Muslims, into the United Kingdom. And if you speak out against that, then you are you have hate speech. >> Well, you're a racist. >> Well, but it's hate speech. And Pam Bondi herself just the other day said, well, you know, we really got to start creating some laws about hate speech. This is the exact same [ __ ] that the UK did. And because of that, now there are 30 people a day being arrested. So Ashton, the only way I would disagree with some of what you say is like free freedom of speech as much as we can possibly get it, we have to have it. We can't have hate speech laws. >> And even for people like Carol and he stood for he he stood for freedom of speech. He wanted people that didn't agree with him to come out and talk to him so they could have discourse and you know sometimes they would come on his side, sometimes they wouldn't. But that's the only way you're going to gain people. >> Yeah. And and and by the way, the last thing I'll say is this memorial today, there were multiple people, including uh RFK, you had Erica Kirk herself, you had multiple people talking about freedom of speech is a core value of what Charlie Kirk believed in. And so, um, when you see stuff like this, although we absolutely I I don't agree with Ian Carol, I don't agree with Candace Owens on this particular issue. >> I think they deserve freedom of speech. >> So, let me let me jump in here. So, we don't need new laws. A lot of this is just gaslighting [ __ ] right? We We don't need new laws to fix the problem. We have laws on the books. Violent speech is already not protected. That's really all there is to it. So, I'm not even listening to this stuff because it's just another way for people to try to again, virtue signal. What what I think some of these people are afraid of is that they've been lying a lot and so they're afraid of that. But you know what? Lies are also protected speech. And I'm sitting here saying, I'm not asking for these people to be arrested. I'm just asking that polite society should shun them. Again, this is not a legal thing whatsoever. I want to address some of the fake arguments that Ian has been pushing. There's a lot that these skitso woke right people have been pushing and they are systematically getting destroyed one at a time. So, starting with the old man, they were claiming that the old man is a part of he's part of the cover up. He's he's the guy that they paid to distract to get the gun, the professional hitman to get away. Right. Right. >> Turns out we find out no, he's just a psychopath. He's done this before and he's also a pedophile and he's got, you know, child porn on his phone, >> right? So, boom, there goes that theory. So, that one's shot down. Do these people ever apologize when their theories get destroyed? No. Let me do another one. The gun. They go, there's no way you could have broken down the gun and got We can literally see in the video the dude's got the gun in his hand when he's jumping off the roof. Now, some people go, "I don't see a gun." Well, it's kind of pixelated, so it's kind of up to interpretation. But even Nick Fun says, "I think I can see a gun in his hand." We found the gun in the woods. So again, guys, put two and two together. It's not really that complicated. Maybe your assumptions are just wrong. Maybe the reason why you're going reaching false conclusions is because the assumptions are wrong. You might be right. The government may not be releasing all accurate information, but that doesn't mean that, oh, Israel did it. This is the thing. This is the brain rot is that they've started with a conclusion and they're working backwards. This is not the scientific method. This is not science at all. And that's why this is nothing like MH37. Nothing like what I'm doing. I think people don't know who I am. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm not a UFO guy or an alien guy. I'm a skeptic. I'm a guy that's based in quantum mechanics and electrical engineering. When you come at me and you go, "Wait, Ashton, I thought you believed in a conspiracy. That means you must believe in every conspiracy." No. And this is what what you guys are doing is nothing. Not even in the same ballpark as what I did with MH370. I came up with a story that made sense using all the evidence, all the official evidence. Heck, my story is the only story that can explain some of the evidence. You are doing the exact opposite of that. The exact opposite. Dismissing all the evidence that proves you wrong and then making up fake evidence so that you can come up with a story so you can say this doesn't make sense, therefore the Jews did it. That is 100% literally what they're doing. And until these people can admit that's what they're doing, there can be no productive discussions with them. >> There can be no productive discussions. And I won't be debating Ian Carol later. He backed out like a [ __ ] He is a [ __ ] coward and he knew he was going to get annihilated and he ran away. Everybody out there that follows Ian Carol and his garbage, you need to wake the hell up. You're being taken for a ride by this guy. And I'd say that as somebody who liked him, who considered him a friend, >> and he needs to own up to it. The reason why he These people also can never admit when they're wrong. They never do. Ian Carol said we're going to have boots on the ground in Iran like four months ago. Said, "Watch for it. It's coming in two months." This guy doesn't know [ __ ] about geopolitics. He's an Uber driver. He's an Uber driver that became a Tik Tocker. So these guys, their track record is absolutely terrible. They also said, "Oh, there's no bullet. They didn't. The FBI doesn't have a bullet. That means there's a that means Israel did it." And now we find out today Charlie Kirk's executive producer comes out and says, "I've gotten permission from the family. The surgeons pulled the bullet out of his neck, destroyed his neck." Erica Kirk in the speech today said that they told her she shouldn't even look at her husband because the bullet how badly the bullet >> destroyed him. Literally said that was I was crying listening to that. >> Yeah, I was too. >> And these people are immediately immed. Go look at the reply. It's actually psychotic, the replies. Oh, this is all fake. He doesn't know that HIPPO. These people don't know what HIPPA means. They can't even spell it. Health Information and Portability Accountability Act. They don't even know what it means. This has nothing to do with a third party releasing information. Has to do with a doctor releasing your information without your request. These people are so stupid. It reminds me of the Redditors that were trying to debunk MH370. What they do is they try to come up, they pretend like they're experts when they're not. And they try to come up with some reason for why something's fake. That's what they do. This exact same thing that the Redditors did. And that's what these griing people are doing with respect to the Charlie Kirk situation. So the bullet, we now know where the bullet is. So all these holes that they were using to justify their tribal hatred, all is falling apart. Do you see them apologizing? No. They just move on to the next. The conspiracy just gets deeper and deeper. Now Charlie Kirk's producer is in on the conspiracy. Now the surgeon is in on the conspiracy. And what was Let me see. I got some more here. >> They also said one more. Let me do one more. They also said Ben Shapiro was going to take over TP USA. That this was a whole Israel plot. Ben Shapiro is going to take over TPUSA and boom, now it's Erica Kirk. >> And you know what they did after that came out? >> I can't believe this. Let me pull this up. >> Oh, here it is. Let me pull this. So, here you go. This is Joshua Reed. I think I've blocked Joshua Reed now. I'm blocking everybody pushing this garbage. Ian Carol pushing this idea that Erica Kirk is potentially being silenced related to this. Erica Kirk received a call in the aftermath of the shooting from a very important person. Okay, that's fake. But there's more. Here you go. This is This is probably the absolute worst post I've seen by Ian Carol. If you are a human >> Yeah. Sorry. >> I'm gonna read it. Ever consider that Erica can't speak? If anything happened to her, what would happen to her children? What Erica isn't saying is just as important as what she is saying? Who is she not condemning? What theories is she not condemning? Holy crap, dude. You should be cancelled just for this tweet. This is the sickest [ __ ] ever. I don't know. Maybe Erica Kirk uh maybe Erica Kirk is a little too busy trying to bury her husband to care about what some grifter piece of [ __ ] on the internet is saying. And this is just absolutely crazy. So this is why Ian this is why Ian backed out of the debate tonight because I was going to show all these texts and just completely annihilate him tonight. That was what the plan was. And now it turns out, >> by the way, by the way, Ashton, it does seem like Ian and Candace have both been backtracking since their original post and all the backlash they've got. Right. I mean, I know you've been >> they've been trying to Let me show some more. Let's show some more Ian Carol stuff. So, this is the worst part. these people, the people that are claiming that Israel did this, that that Char there's main story is that Charlie Kirk his his uh stance on Israel is evolving. That might be true. That might be true that his is his his position on Israel. That's not proof that they killed him or even really a motive that they killed him. In fact, it's frankly ridiculous. >> He was an Israel supporter until the day he died. And I'm going to show you how disgusting and hypocritical these people are. I've got even more posts. This is Ian Carol just a few days before Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Char, he says, "Jesus defeated death so you can live." Ian Carol reply says, "And you've dedicated your life to serving the people who killed him." >> So, okay. So, if they have these clips where they're now claiming that, oh, his his stance was changing. How come you didn't bring that up before he died? How come you were still attacking him literally just days before his now you've decided that his stance has changed? >> Well, >> yeah. Okay, I see right through you, bro. >> Yeah, I know. But the whole thing is coming from supposedly uh the Aman guy took him to his house >> and said, "Listen, we're going to give you all this money for Turning Point USA for you to keep on Israel's side, and we even want you to come visit. maybe even called him and said, "Come visit and you know just take a picture at our you know where all of our people died and >> Yeah. Yeah. to go to Israel. >> He turned it down. Like this is what they're standing on. So where is that coming from? >> We have to we have to make something clear. >> I was looking for receipts. I don't I don't see receipts on either side. I don't know what going on with that. >> We have to make something clear though. Well, we have to make something clear because, you know, let's just talk about the logic of Israel potentially assassinating Charlie >> Kirk. The stupidest [ __ ] I've ever heard in my life. >> Hold on. Let's talk about this for a second. So, if if the logic is that Israel killed Charlie Kirk, right? You see this mass movement in America of pro-Christianity, which is you saw this today in the memorial for Charlie Kirk. You've seen this throughout. >> You've saw this over the past two weeks. Uh, churches have been filled up like they've never been filled up before. People are buying Bibles like they've never bought Bibles before. So, if Israel wanted to do this, let's just say, for example, that Israel decided that they wanted to take Charlie Kirk out because he was going a little bit too um maybe pro-Christian, anti-Israel, maybe he was starting to rebuke some of the things that they wanted him to say or do or be a part of in Turning Point USA, which I keep in mind, I'm not necessarily even debating that. I think that is possible. But Israel knows that if it came back that Israel did this ever in history that they're done. And Israel heavily depends on the United States. And this mass movement of Jesus Christ, by the way, is is this is a Jesus Christ movement after Charlie Kirk. Everything Charlie Kirk did was for Jesus Christ. And literally Israel or the Jews, the Jewish people do not believe that Jesus Christ is a savior. Yet Charlie Kirk in his entire livelihood, everything that he did and was based on and Erica and the entire movement of Turning Point USA was Jesus Christ. So it would be pretty dumb for Israel to do this. Absolutely. But it also goes back to the the the standpoint for me and it's something I've always said. It's like why does the United States and Christianity support Israel so much, support Jews so much? Because they are completely opposite >> the Bible. Well, no, but they are completely opposite. >> It's in the Bible >> because you have on one side Christianity that says Jesus Christ is the savior. Jews say Jesus Christ is not the savior and we don't believe that. But yet, we're supposed to be the ones out there defending Israel at all cost. But I just want to make that point. But I don't think that it's Israel that killed him in this particular case. Now, could we be wrong, Ashton? Here's the thing. So, Cash Patel, I wanna I want to show you this this tweet today. Um, and Cash Patel said today, he says, uh, which which was pretty interesting. He says, "As the director of the FBI, I am committed to ensuring the investigation into Charlie Kirk's assassination is thorough and exhaustive, pursuing every lead to its conclusion. The full weight of America's law enforcement agencies are actively following the evidence that has emerged. Uh, but our efforts extend beyond initial findings. We are examining every facet of the assassination. We are meticulously investigating theories and questions, including the location from where the shot was taken, the possibility of accompllices, the text messages, confessions, and related conversations, Discord chats, and the angle of the shot and bullet impact, how the weapon was transported, hand gestures observed as a potential signals near Charlie at the time of his assassination, and visitors to the alleged shooters residence in the hours and days leading up to September 10th, 2025. Now, some details are known today while others are being pursued to ensure every possibility is considered. Our primary focus is to uh complete the investigation and deliver justice. To protect the integrity of the investigation and subsequent prosecution, we cannot release every piece of information we have to the public right now, but we will ensure every question is addressed in the appropriate moment. Regarding the specific details, such as questions about the plane that allegedly turned off his transponder after departing from an airport near the assassination site, we can share updates when we have answers and uh and where they are confirmed. After interviews with the pilot and consultation with FAA, we determined that the transponder was not turned off. Incomplete flight data in rural areas caused the apparent gap. uh says the entire mourns uh sorry the entire FBI mourns the loss of Charlie Kirk. We will not rest until justice is served and the investigation into assassination will continue until every question is answered. Now in specific to this paragraph I I just I want to talk about this for a second um without getting too crazy and conspiracy where it talks about um the question of the plane that allegedly turned off his transponder. So, it sounds like the FBI is at the very least confirming that there was a a jet, a private jet that left Provo, likely Provo, Utah, and at some point in time had turned off their ADSB. That was the accusation. They have since said that the pilot and consulting with the FAA said that we determined the transponder was not turned off, but it was incomplete flight data. This is a problematic for me uh just being in aviation for as long as I have been for I don't know 20 plus years. Um the only time that you get a ADSB which is uh which is where and how they track aircraft. Anytime that you get this from an aircraft to where all of the sudden the ADSB seems to not respond anymore or it goes offline, you're talking about over far oceans or in extreme parts of Alaska. That is typically the only places you're going to see ADSB not be able to respond or contact. Um, uh, so there's a problem with this for me, especially with the actual circumstance of what they're saying as far as the FAA said, well, it was just it was in a rural area. That just doesn't happen in the United States in the lower 48. And so there are things like that don't make sense. There's weird stuff, right? Let me let me jump in. There's weird stuff going on, of course. Right. And here's the thing. So first of all, they are addressing the claims that are happening, right? So another one of these claims was somehow this plane is kind. First of all, there's nothing to connect the plane to anything that was going on. This is the first problem, right? How what does the plane have to do with any of this? Maybe if we didn't have a suspect, then maybe that could have made sense, right? >> But we caught the suspect in under what 33 hours I think it was. >> And how we caught the suspect, >> the dad recognized his son in the video. Okay. So, and they caught him what, 250 miles away. So, when we're doing this kooky stuff about, oh, there's a plane that went off. This is like with MH370 when people are like, what about this weird FAA thing where this plane like tell there's like a little thing on the um the tracker where this plane like moves super fast. Does this this must be the orbs there's no there's not doesn't necessarily all come together. People are trying to connect dots that don't connect together. So, this is why you have to take all the evidence and come up with a story that makes sense. I was going to press Ian Carol today and say, "You give me the timeline who you think shot him, where they went, what they went, and it's got to be consistent with the fact that we've got the shooter in custody. His dad recognized him and his dad turned him in, or at least they caused him to turn in. He was he confessed to his father about it when when confronted. He we also have two more documented confessions. Okay. One text messages with his uh furry lover and another one in the Discord. Okay. So now in order for him to not be the guy, you need all of these things to be fake. This is the problem. People have painted themselves into a corner because now you need so many people to be in on the conspiracy. You need the shooter to be in on it. You need his dad to be sentencing his own son to death. You need Discord to be in on it. You also now need that the the furry lover is also in on it. And you also have to come up with a way where the FBI created these text messages and then released them. I'll tell you what, guys, that's not what they do when they're doing a cover up. They don't go, "Hey guys, here's some text messages and we're going to release them to you." You know why they don't do that? Because now either party, the shooter or the transfer, if they were to come out and say those text messages are fake, it's going to blow up the whole case. the whole case is going to blow up. >> Okay, guys, you have to use your mind. What they do, one sec. What they do is they don't release anything. If they were doing a cover up, they wouldn't release anything at all. That's what they did with MH370. Let me land my plane here. Is that people have been trying to compare this to MH370. Do you know what the government's official position is on MH370? Nothing. They never US US government never said anything except for the fact that they looked at the pilot simulator and they said that there's nothing suspicious about it. So when people are trying to compare this and say you why do you trust the government all of a sudden what do you mean the mil they never said anything about MH37 that's the point and I want to say this as well MH370 I didn't get into the case of MH370 till 9 years after it disappeared a completely cold case where we had searched now if it would have been aborant of me if I was pushing that MH370 conspiracy like days after the plane disappeared people would have been like you're crazy we haven't even searched yet. But that's not the case. When I got involved in MSU Zero, they had already searched for years and found nothing. Found nothing in the official search. So there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever to be made between the MH370 situation and what the skitso conspiracy theory people are doing right now on this. >> All right. Well, so the only thing I would respond to that, Ashton, is um you know, trying to play devil's advocate here because we don't have Ian to actually debate because >> well, the time stamps on the actual he didn't show up >> text messages. >> Yeah. Well, yeah, >> we're not there. >> Well, we'll get into text messages a minute because that's that's very interesting as well. But the same the same way that you believe the government is hiding the MS370 disappearance, right? and and or or their cover up. Do you also maybe see why other people um automatically maybe jump to conclusions whether it's Israel or government CIA whatever to where no one really trusts the government anymore. You know, you look at Cash Mattel and the Trump administration with the Epstein thing to where just the other day Cash Mattel says, "Well, we we know that Epstein, at least as far as the evidence that we have, did not traffic any children to anyone." And he said this in front of Congress. And the interesting thing about it was Thomas Massie came on and said, "Oh, really? Is that really what happened?" Because we have all these witnesses that say this these kids were traffic to these people. And he was literally reading off names. But yet we know the government's lying to us. We know the FBI director is lying to us. We know that for sure. Um and and one thing I will say, we had Jason Hansen on CIA officer, former CIA. He used to go on um >> Yeah. But he said it was open and shut case just like Ashton is saying. >> Yeah. But pretty much. >> Yeah. But listen, here's this is like one of the most open and shut cases possible. You don't have to believe the government to understand that this was a leftist lunatic that did this. Literally, his dad is doing his dad's not the government. Discord is not the government. Guys, this is the problem. People are just conflating everything and saying that everything is equal when it's not. It's not how it works. This is the problem with you guys. And I have to be honest to my my fans and followers. This is why I had to purge you guys is that you are telling me I'm losing cred. I'm losing credibility with people that have no credibility themselves. This is only going to increase my credibility because I'm actually using logic and reason and you all are not. And this is why I had to purge you all out because I realized from this that the people that are following me, the people that claim to support me that don't even really retweet any of my content or engage with my content ever. They are just completely off the deep end. Full on everything's a conspiracy. There's always another layer. And I even have a term for it. I call it hitting on 19. Guys, you never hit on 19. And you brought this upon yourselves. This is your fault and you need to own it. And I'm talking to the people out there that have been pushing this stuff because you pushed all these inconsistencies without waiting. You should have waited for the full evidence to come out. Then you can start figuring out if there's inconsistencies in the official story. But since you didn't do that, you lost all credibility, permanently damaging your cause. So for the people out there that are the, you know, uh, the low IQ anti-semites or whatever, I want you to understand that you permanently damaged your cause from this. Permanently did. There's nothing you can do about that now. And the only, the best thing that you can do is that you can admit that you were wrong and you shouldn't have done it. Apologize to Erica Kirk, who now her children are going to have to deal with this psychotic conspiracy for the rest of their lives. And you can admit that you're wrong. This is the thing that I was going to press Ian on. These people can never ever ever admit that they're wrong because if they do that, the the people that are the allin people that are following them will turn against them and they know it. But that's what must happen. Otherwise, we cannot this just gets worse and worse this situation. People just constantly are hitting on 19. In fact, this is so bad. This is like hitting on 21. We've got the shooter in custody. We've got all the evidence that we ever need. The guy is 100% going to be found guilty. He's going to be put to death >> unless Erica Kirk whatever steps in. and she said she didn't she forgive him and she's not seeking the death penalty. >> So you guys did this yourself shelf by painting yourself into a corner by going all in on this and let's please share a couple more text messages here. If you pull up my thing I'll try to go through these pretty quick. So if you can pull this up. So right here this is again Ian this is today. This is today Ian Carol hasn't stopped yet. He's now sharing Harrison Smith. This is also a fake story and he's these guys are all just sharing fake stories that each of them are posting and they're presenting it as facts. They're presenting it as definitive, right? And it's not. I mean, Ian Carol has not backed down from this. Look at this, right? He's even underlines it right there. He thinks Israel killed them. Blah blah blah. Let's go to some more. Here's Candace Owens. Candace Owens was backtracking saying, "I never said that Israel did it. Sorry guys, you murdered my friend." Who is she talking about? Who does she think murdered her friend? By the way, he's not really her friend. She lied about that, too. She didn't even show up to the memorial. And I almost guarantee they told her not to because she's been pushing this skitso stuff. And so, if you see here and you read the context, she's talking about Israel, Netanyahu. It's pretty clear what she's insinuating. She's insinuating Israel did it, but then she wants to backtrack and say, "No, I never said Israel did it. Shut the [ __ ] up, Candace." Here's Ian Carol again. Ian Carol goes, "This was uh like the 13th or September 11." Uh September 13th. There it is. Right. So, I've been pushing this guy for over a week. Did a whole stream. My current stance is not that Israel did it. Okay. Well, what does this tweet say? Yesterday was a turning point for This is less than 24 hours after Charlie Kirk was assassinated. >> Yesterday was a turning point for Israel US relations. Less than 24 hours. And the internet already figured out who the most likely culprit was. He was their friend. He basically dedicated his life to them and they murdered him in front of their family. Israel just shot themselves. This is one of the most aborant tweets I've ever seen. This tweet alone should cancel Ian Carol for life. Joe Rogan should issue a public apology for why he ever platformed this disgusting piece of [ __ ] grifter. And before you get mad at me, there's more. Here's him questioning the magic bullet after it turned out the bullet does exist. Here's him questioning the executive producer of TPUSA of Charlie Kirk who literally wrote a speech today, literally spoke today just a few hours ago. >> Trying to keep the conspiracy alive. Absolutely. W can't just admit he's wrong. And then uh okay, that one that's so that's about it. So let me un this. So this is the thing. These guys have no way that they should be able to backtrack. Now, actually, there's one more video that I want to share here because this was Ian Carol just on Friday. Just on Friday that he shared this video and I think we should watch this together. I think you'll enjoy at least a little bit of it. Okay, so I'll pull this up. So this is Ian Carol is getting all this backlash and he deserves it from his stupid tweets and posts where he clearly clearly has already decided that Israel did it before any evidence had come out. Let's see what he says. >> One of the largest political people in America assassinated on live TV. Your first thought should be was this a professional assassination? What? My first thought should be it's a professional assassination. No, my first thought was it must be another trans person and it's not necessarily. There are definitely crazy cooks that take shots at people. >> Usually the crazy cooks seem to get an arsenal of guns and go into a school and go on a suicide mission essentially and you know murder a bunch of people and then take their own life. That's what usually seems to happen. Not usually are they planning out a carefully orchestrated hit that involves them getting away clean and then giving a whole text message admission of guilt on regular old texts like right and so and he doesn't even address the text. The text exists he just wants to dismiss that. Keep going. Keep going Ian. We have more than enough evidence to be asking the question. Was there intelligence agencies involved in this? There's literally no evidence that points to intelligence agencies being involved in this. Literally none. Way more than enough evidence to ask that question legit. >> You kidding me? >> And when you start asking that question legitimately, that's how you get to the Israel conversation. Now, this is exactly how Ian's gone completely off the rails, right? And the Israel conversation is not one no one is claiming at this point that anyone knows for sure that it was Israel. Literally Ian Carol said right away I showed you guys the text just now less than 24 hours later he was saying that it was Israel. And now I mean this is just straight up gaslighting. This is what the the left does, right? They gaslight you. They lie. They do inversion of reality. We've seen the text messages buddy. You're cancelled. Let's keep going. Not done. Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Dave Smith, all the right-wing commentators that are involved in this conversation that were involved in Charlie's life and the scandal around the Israel stuff. None of them have at all made the claim that Israel was involved in this in any way. I have made that claim because I'm not involved. This is not my case to solve. Okay, there he goes. It's not his case to solve. Exactly. Ian, shut the [ __ ] up. Holy [ __ ] How is he gonna do this trash? This is actually worse than what Jimmy Kimmel did if I have to be honest. Because he's right. He should have nothing to do with this and he shouldn't even be bringing it up. But he's perpetuating this conspiracy. He's pretending like he's not when he is. I was not involved. I didn't know Charlie. I was not involved in Turning Point. I'm staying out of it. I am a dude on the He's not staying out of it. There's no not only is he not staying out of it, he's still literally retweeting this [ __ ] right now today. While he should be here in a debate facing me, destroying him. I cannot tell you, you cannot have a lower opinion of this guy. And for all the psychos in the chat right now who are freaking out because their hero is a complete fraud, take a good look. This is the guy destroying your movement. Sidelines looking in. I've purposefully not asked Candace for any inside information. I've not tried to dig in to like get [ __ ] a bunch of sources and stuff because I don't want to get in. I don't want to get in there. This is not my thing. And what do you mean you don't want to get in there? Okay, that's enough. I've had enough of Ian Carol's disgusting mustache and face. He goes, I'm not trying to get in there, dude. You're not literally I looked at his his his posts and his tweet his Twitter. It's wallto-wall skitso Israel stuff. Literally wall to- wall. That's it. Except for the one tweet that I showed you where he's weirdly supporting LGB. Bro, how about we send you to Gaza and we'll see how much LGB support there is in Gaza, bro. And so this is just totally crazy the amount of gas. And by the way, for the next 6 minutes in that video, he literally plays all the clips that everybody's been sharing claiming that Charlie Kirk has had this change of heart on Israel to again support the theor the insinuation. >> So, not only he goes and says, "I don't want to be involved. I don't." And then he just goes and then does the same thing again. The guy either has no self-awareness or I I don't know what's going on with him. >> But let's talk about these claims for a minute. What are these claims and how like valid are they? >> Well, let let me let me play a clip. And so, a lot of this has come from this clip on Megan Kelly. We'll play this right now cuz you had mentioned it just a minute ago, Ashton. Uh, we'll play this clip of what Charlie Kirk actually said with Megan Kelly. Listen, let me start this over. >> The behavior. There we go. Here we go. by a lot both privately and publicly are pushing people like you and me away. Not like we're going to be pro- Hamas. Not like we're going to but we're like honestly the way you are treating me is so repulsive. I have text messages Megan calling me an anti-semite. I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat. I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath. I visit Israel and fight for it. And there's another article out in the Times of Israel today. I could read it on air. I was just reading before I got on, Charlie, what are you doing? Like, why are you What am I doing? I'm sorry. Like, let's just take a step back here. Like, I'm an American citizen. Yes, I want Israel to win. Yes, I'm a Christian, but like the some of the me and you saw you've seen how I've been treated, Megan, by some, not all, by some. >> No, it's very irritating. >> It's been so unfair. They were coming after you after a turning point for among other things, and you had Dave Smith there. Dave Smith isn't allowed to criticize Israel. >> You have both sides. The Israeli side was >> not allowed to though. No, you're not allowed to. It's even worse than that. Again, I just want to repeat for the fifth time. I love Israel. I want Israel to win. But my moral character is now being put into question, Megan. Not my decisions, not like, hey, are you doing this? Is it smart or is it dumb? But no, I am a bad person if I do this. >> And it's I could go I mean, you saw it, Megan. It was trending on Twitter, thousands of tweets and text messages. And if I were to be charitable and generous, I will say the people that are attacking me are in a hyper paranoid state because they're at war and war tends to make things black and white and you're a hammer looking for a nail. So, I'm trying to be charitable, Megan. Literally, I'm trying to cut as much slack as I can, right? They go, "Okay, what would it be like if all of a sudden I'm starting to see a pattern of behavior similar to what my grandparents saw in 1930s Germany online? How would I behave?" So that's like my charitable kind of over compensation spirit. At the same time, I'm like, "But you're it's it's not defensible to be dumb, right?" So, >> and it's offensive. is offensive to those of us who have been out there defending them in in many instances against critics on our own side and now you have a couple of comments like well what about this well has it gone on too long like is it time to wrap it up and the thing about Epstein is just so bizarre I don't know who he was an agent for it might have been Israel or an asset or it might have been nobody but we're allowed to speculate about that it's like you can't go there when it comes to Israel >> well you and I believe that we're Americans and Americans first Period. End of story. We are citizens of this nation. Okay? >> And Israel, we have funded, we have supported, and they're up against a sea of Islamic totalitarianism, and we should be cheering for them, right? Because they're up against barbarians and and monsters, and we want them to win. However, here is Megan Kelly and Charlie Kirk combined >> probably 30 million social media followers. Like, pretty, right? And you and I have been holding this down. you you probably get the negative, oh, you're just shilling for Israel, whatever. I'm like, okay, I'm going to do what's right regardless of the feedback, right? >> But then all of a sudden, >> like I host a person that I de I moderate the debate of, mind you, right? And I give equal time to Josh Hammer, equal time to a pro-Israel advocate, and my moral character is being put into question. And so I I just I think it's a hyper paranoid like we're just gonna try to we're gonna just stamp out everything type type of practice. But it goes to the point where if for example if I I have less >> nothing's being said here >> ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government. >> Guys, I'm willing to listen to clips. I don't want to listen to a 4-minute clip that literally has nothing in there. What this is the this is the insane [ __ ] that people are doing. What am I supposed to take from that? He's mildly critical of Israel because Jews are sensitive. Yeah, I know Jews, too. They are sensitive. In fact, I think it's appropriate to be critical of that. It certainly does not mean they killed him. In fact, it's insane to take that clip and use that as evidence that Israel killed him. Literally insane, which by the way, the chat that are like, "Listen to this. You need psychological help." >> That is really mundane. Let me play a clip for you. This was only a few weeks ago. This is this is Charlie Kirk directly speaking to you, the obsessed Jew people. Get ready for it. This is this is this is >> the corner of the internet of people that want to point and blame the Jews for all their problems. Everybody, this is demonic and it's from the pit of hell and it should not be period. When you go to the problem of an entire generation that has economic resentment, they don't own anything. They're not getting married. They're not having children. They're depressed. They're anxious. They're staring at their screens all day long. And if all of a sudden your extrapolation of all that is, well, it's the Jews fault. That is sloppy and shallow thinking. And not only that, they say, "Oh, it's the Jews fault." Okay, let's kind of play this out. Well, tuberculosis that used to kill about a billion people. You know, it's a group of Jewish scientists that came up with an antibiotic that cured tuberculosis. >> That's all we need. You can go back. So, straight off the bat, he says, "You people that are making everything about the Jews," which is 100% what these people are doing. You are demonic. Demonic. Listen carefully. That other clip you were playing that was just some weird mundane clip. I can't That's the actual evidence. That is just ridiculous how these people are twisting it to try to These are the same people saying that they're not blaming Israel. You're you're trying to twist Charlie Kirk's pretty mundane words. Or the other thing they'll say is, "Oh, well Netanyahu came out and he blamed is Islam." No, he didn't. I listened to the clip. >> No, he didn't. >> Netanyahu was equating the left who did kill Charlie Kirk, the trans, you know, homosexual furry whatever lover guy. He was equating them to the Islamists who are violent, who literally strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up. Now, I'm not saying there's a right or wrong in the holy war. Truthfully, I don't if you guys want to destroy yourselves, fine. I think if you are so uh low IQ that some weird holy war fight over land is, you know, your major concern in this world, then honestly, you're just not you're not intelligent enough to have like advanced technology that you know the government. >> And I just want to ask you guys, what does Israel have to gain from an assassination to Charlie Kirk? >> Well, they don't. There is no for Israel in this whole thing. >> If they were going to if they were trying to silence political people, they're not going to go after Charlie Kirk first. They're going to go after Ian Carol or Nick Fuentes or Candace Owens or the other people who are actually not just being critical, but making documentaries, putting all this propaganda out there. I mean, one mundane post about it. And here, by the way, and for the people that went all in on those, and they went all in on the $150 million bribe and the secret messages that Candace Owens doesn't actually have, she's a complete liar. Well, Charlie Kirk's wife is about to address those on a podcast this week. So, you're gonna go ahead and say there's a really good chance that those narratives are about to be annihilated. And these people are trying to say, Candace Owens is trying to say that he's my best friend. He was my best friend, which he's not. He was not his best friend. So, I know his state of mind. That's what they're they're trying to say. Nobody knows Charlie Kirk's state of mind better than his wife, right? >> So, I don't want to hear anything. Ian Carol, these other people are already trying to set up that his wife is already in on this. Don't you even try it. >> Don't you even try it. I'm going to come down on you so hard if you >> I I I want I want to talk about something real quick because I mean we we have to at least make this a known statement on this show on this podcast is that although I do not think that Israel killed Charlie Kirk the criticisms of Israel are valid in my opinion. >> Let me address that too if you don't mind that >> yes >> is I believe that there is probably a genocide happening in Palestine. Absolutely. I don't believe that the MSAD is good. Just like I don't believe the CIA is good. I believe that the CIA and the MSAD are like this. I'm the one who actually one of the only people that reported on the fact that the MSAD assassinated nine nuclear scientists a few months back. You can find my Twitter post about it. I mean, it's pretty scary because I Why am I talking about that? Because Zero Point Energy is connected to nuclear physics 100%. So why are they taking those people out? because they know that these type of people that are deranged that will literally use a weapon like that and possibly eradicate all of us, including themselves, can never be allowed to have this technology. And they're right. They're right that I don't it's hard for you guys to hear that, but it is. Now, I'm not saying that we're going to have to let Israel win or Palestine win. I don't really care. I just care that we can't wipe ourselves off the face of the earth. >> Yeah. So, so Ashton too, I mean, you know, with people like Ian Carol and Candace Owens, which are immediately Israel, everything's Israel, no matter what. Like, if you get an ingrown toenail, Israel probably did it, right? And they're going to make sure they know that. >> But I promise you, >> that way a while. >> But I promise you, there are people on the other side that are 100% Israel does nothing wrong. And and I've seen these people on social media. By the way, one of these people actually retweeted one of your posts earlier. uh misfit Patriot and and I saw he had retweeted. >> Yeah. I I I saw that he had posted this and I've actually a couple times went back and forth because no matter what misfit Patriot if you want if if you want to see and by the way for anyone doesn't know there are paid assets on both sides. You know, when leading up to the election of Camala Harris versus Trump and you would have these posts that Camala Harris would post and you would look at these, you would look at the tweets, just scroll through them. They were all pretty much identical. You could see probably a hundred posts that were almost damn near identical. These are bot farms. These these are bot farms that are propping up these posts, making the narrative, creating a narrative. And then on on top of that, you also had people like the Crescentine brothers. You had people like Harry Sison. You had all these [ __ ] on that side saying, "Oh, Camala Harris is the best thing ever. Oh, Biden is not scenile whatsoever. He is the greatest president we've ever had in our entire life." And these are the people that would prop this [ __ ] up. And so then you pe you you also see people with the Israel narrative. They'll do the exact same thing. And these are not just bots. These are actually assets to whatever that faction of the narrative is. But here's the question, Ashen. I know for sure there are people that are pro- Israel out there that are being funded probably either by Apac or some type of faction to where they want to make sure that the conversation stays alive about Israel. And then think about this. Charlie Kirk being dead now. He he was assassinated by a >> left would have funded this. >> No, but No, I'm not saying funding. I'm I'm saying did this? >> No. I'm not even saying Israel had anything to do with this. All I'm saying is is that you have these people that are funded on the left that supports and props up Israel. And then you look at when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, this pro-Christian, pro- Jesus movement has just I mean it's the biggest thing I've ever seen in America. >> Um but you you know you have it on both sides. The question is like if Ian and Candace are pushing this [ __ ] so hard, who would be funding them? If we know that >> exactly who is funding them? >> Guys, like a lot of people think that and they might be it might be getting indirectly funded but unlikely honestly. I think that this just we're in the middle of a holy war. It's a holy war guys. There's a huge amount of propaganda on both sides. I don't I don't like think one side is better than the other, frankly. Like that's just the reality of the situation. And yes, and I talked to people on both sides. I'm following Nick Fuentes. I just followed the Misfit Patriot guy. It's not because I agree with his stuff. I've seen his, you know, kind of like pretty far out there and obviously propaganda takes. They're in the middle of a propaganda war. That doesn't give you permission to use Charlie Kirk's death for it. >> That's why I'm doing this. Because if you want, The first question I was gonna ask you is why do you think I'm doing this? >> It's not because I'm a Zionist shill or I, you know, am not because I'm Jewish. It's because you're literally pulling Charlie Kirk's death into the middle of your propaganda holy war. That's the reason why I'm coming down on these people. And if the other side did it, I would be going just as hard on them as well. It just turns out in this case they didn't. >> So what is the holy war ration? What is >> that's not my wheelhouse. I'm not going to get into that whatsoever. But what I do want to get into is last thing I'll say is this. In terms of the evidence, in terms of the conspiracy, here's the thing. You need to be able to ask yourself, and this is what I would have asked you. What is it going to take for you to admit that you're wrong? That is the question. If you can't answer that question, then you are you have the blinders on. You are too biased in that case. People ask me that question. What would it take, Ashton, for you to admit that the MH370 videos are fake? And I do have an answer. >> Find the plane or find the hoaxer of the videos. These are things that would absolutely prove the videos are fake. If you find the plane in the South Indian Ocean, then obviously it did get zapped to Diego Garcia or whatever. >> Did anyone claim >> if you find the hoster of the videos, >> then obviously they're fake videos, but there isn't a hoaxer. There isn't a plane. >> This also if you don't have some boundary to say this is where the boundary is of of proof, then your ste story doesn't make any sense. And I was going to ask you what is your story? And I know his answer is I don't know. This is what they say every time. I say, "Okay, if you think all this stuff's fake, if you think that Israel did, what is the story? Give me the timeline. Give me the evidence. Throw it out there." You notice in that video that he showed, he said, "There's plenty of evidence to blame Israel." But he doesn't list any of it. >> And then he just shows that video clips that are just like, "What what is that video clip of Charlie Kirk talking to Megan Kelly? It's like, oh, he was he was just slightly critical of how Jewish people are super defensive of their of the, you know, people that attack them and anti-semit. I do think they're overly sensitive." Absolutely. But I'm happy to talk to somebody like Nick Fuentes. >> Yeah. >> And I've been thinking about like what would be the pros of Israel assassinating Charlie Crook? What are the pros? Is there any pros for them doing that? >> No, I don't think so. >> Listen, but let's talk about this for a second. So for for Ian and Candace's stance on this is that, you know, he was getting a little more pro anti-Israel or than pro-Israel. I don't I don't believe necessarily as a case like you said Ashton and I do agree you know if you want one of the most staunch supporters or supporters of Israel you have Charlie Kirk but also at the same time you have Charlie Kirk which was the biggest movement turning point USA and it probably is going to be even bigger now I mean after Charlie Kirk's death you're not going to have Charlie Kirk again >> oh but Erica is going to be the CEIO or C sorry CIO was like >> CIO CEO >> CEO Yeah. >> Yeah. But that doesn't matter. Charlie Kirk is gone. You're not going to have another Charlie Kirk. It doesn't matter what it is. And this is not going to help Israel. This is not going to help their stance >> in any way, shape, or form. But the reality of this is is that, you know, you have all of these things and whatever Erica Kirk says Wednesday on her on on on the show, um, will she will she actually kind of talk about the Israel and the conspiracies and people like Candace and Ian? We have not talked a lot about, by the way, yet Candace. Um, we've talked a lot about Ian, but let's briefly talk about Candace because Ashton, you've went on Candace Owens podcast. Candace uh brought you on. She wanted to talk about MA370 because what I will say, and I think this is why a lot of people like Candace or you know, she she's not scared to talk about the things that is kind of taboo. And so with the M370 thing, she brought you on. She said, "Hey, let's bring Ashen on. Very smart guy. She wanted you to present your case for MH370." And I literally saw a tweet or post or X or whatever the hell you want to call it the other day and they said, um, for Ashton to go so hardcore against Candace knowing that Candace supported him with the Mustere70 thing, it he must be he must have got contacted >> or bought or something. >> Yeah. So, that's been a big narrative. But what exactly like what was the big thing that Candace said? Was she 100% kind of blaming Israel? What was some of the uh arguments that she had with Israel and Charlie Kirk's assassination? >> Well, I mean, I showed you the tweets, so you know, I saw those tweets a second ago where she was claiming they killed him, they killed my friend, all this stuff. And then she was saying that she has some messages and stuff, but she can't show them or she won't show them. And initially was going to put them behind the payw wall, never showed them at all. Nick called her out on that, said that she needs to release those messages 100%. They just don't exist, right? Like in my opinion, she's just a pathological liar. And I Let me play this clip here because when she's claiming to be Charlie's friend, she released a message from like May. >> That was probably the last message she had from from Charlie. Somebody's your friend. Do you haven't talked to them in what, five months or something like that? >> That that's just an acquaintance. That's not your best friend. Not even close to your best friend. So, and I didn't seem that, you know, incredible that the conversation was like three messages back and forth. Like my buddy Dave Rossi just did an interview with Eric W. Davis, who's one of these UFO whistleblowers. I talk to him like almost every other day. So, that was somebody like I should be able to show messages, you know? So, she claimed to have these receipts, doesn't have them. People are calling her out. I'm calling her out in her reply. She's not addressing it. She's not addressing any of these major questions that are being asked about her supposed evidence that she has. She convinced Dave Smith and Tucker Carlson the day after or two days after to come on and and try to help build up this narrative that Israel was turning on Charlie Kirk. Dave Smith released some text messages and they were totally mundane as well. And Dave Smith, I could tell, was super uncomfortable. He did a podcast the day before where he was like talk, he says, I think he mentions Ian Carol and he's like, "Dude, what's the evidence for why Israel's involved in this?" And he was super awkward because he didn't want to be attacking his friends. And this is shows zero integrity. Dave Smith should get dragged over the coals for this because then the next day he goes on Candace Owens and starts promoting her skitso conspiracy theory, right? It's like, dude, you have no integrity if that's what you do. So just because Candace Owens had me on, that doesn't mean I owe her anything. She's the one making money off me in the story. Uh, so you know, you may say, "Oh, well, she gave you exposure. Great. I don't want that kind of exposure. If this is where she's going to take it, if if she had done this now, I wouldn't go on her show anymore." But back then, if she was just like you guys said, I thought she was exposing stuff. We had great conversation. >> Expect when I went in there, there was nothing no nothing had been set. There was no ground rules for how the conversation was going to go. I went into the lion's den thinking that I'm going to be able to, you know, whatever. She might attack me. She might try to debunk it. I didn't know and she was respectful. Now, I'll give you my true opinion on it. I don't think she could really stay on the same level of the discussion that was having. She had some good insights for sure related to playing, but the science and stuff was, you know, overhead, which is fine. I'm not judging her for that. So, ultimately though, I don't owe these people anything for me. You know, just because someone platform me, great. That doesn't mean I owe you for the rest of my life doesn't mean I I can't speak out against you when you're just lying on the internet. Let me listen. Let's listen to this together because >> people were calling her out saying, "Are you going to even show up to the memorial? You're claiming to be friends >> with Charlie Kirk." >> Yeah, I saw that. >> Right. So clearly you're going to go to the Everybody's at the So who's who of every single, you know, podcaster is there. Elon Musk is sitting next to Trump today. >> You got Benny Johnson speaking, Jack Poso, you've got Tucker Carlson even speaking, which it was kind of questionable whether or not he would be he would be there because I was surprised. on with Candace Owens and started spreading these rumors, right, >> which we all think are probably going to be getting dispelled. So, here's her response and this is how you can tell that she's trying to set this narrative. >> Uh, she's trying to get ahead of the narrative because people are questioning it. They're questioning the receipts. The receipts never materialized. Now, she's claiming to be best friends with Charlie Kirk. Now, let's listen to Candace Owens. >> I said, there is no way we are going to this event now. There's a 0% chance. First and foremost, why are you saying, but anybody can go to it? You just buy a ticket to the event and you're all working to try to get me to confirm that I'm going. And you're doing this as if you're trying to like push my buttons and be like, "We got to make her get into her ego so she like shows up and like post it on social media." Nope. Actually, you know, while I'm attacking the feds, maybe not going to a public event, uh, which the feds are organizing is probably a very good idea. I'm good. You know what I'm doing? I'm going to listen to power on my headphones and go see yay. How's that for a memorial for Charlie Kirk? feels like the right thing for me to do right now. I'm >> I said there is no way we are going to this event now. >> So, wait, why is that? >> So, there she is setting up the narrative because she knows she's about to get destroyed because I'm going to go ahead and say I think they told her not to come. I think they told her, "You're not welcome. Don't show up." And everybody is asking her, "Are you going to show up? You're saying that you're his be her best friend? Your best friend." And so now she's setting up this [ __ ] narrative where oh I'm scared the feds are going to be there. What are you talking what the hell are you talking about Candace? So the it's the most secure event on the face of the earth. They got military protector in place the feds going to arrest you. What have you done that the feds would arrest you for? It's obviously [ __ ] She's going to go listen to Kanye West. >> I mean that's just a weird response. So let's be honest out for this. >> People need to have integrity. Call her out just because you like her. you're her friend, whatever. That does not make it okay to be silent about this. She's lying >> and she's dragging Charlie Corpse's body around >> to make money off of it, to grift off of it, to do ad reads off of it, to tell people, "I'm going to release the receipts." And then she never does. >> And then she brags about how many people are watching, including going, "Oh, there's 250,000 people watching. This is amazing." You can tell that she sees dollar signs in her eyes, right? And so this is where I say like honestly at this point with Candace I hope the Macrons just wipe her out. She the lawsuit the trans thing I read that lawsuit not all of it but significant. It's like 200 pages and they they have tons of receipts. >> They've got photos of Bridget Mcone. They've got newspaper clippings of when she was born, when she got married, her children, all this stuff. Candace is going to get annihilated by them unless she can find out on a technicality. And to be honest, it might be what needs to happen because obviously she's delusional. I mean, look at that clip. >> Well, I do think that. But, you know, she did do a podcast and she used BB for example. And when he came on Fox News and said, you know, we really supported Charlie Kirk. We loved him. Blah blah blah. He was a great friend. >> He was a great friend of Israel. And and she read a portion of the or showed a portion of where he was reading the letter. She said she wanted receipts of the whole letter. Why do you think that is? >> Yeah, because apparently this letter from Charlie Kirk said a lot more than what BB >> she said she had it, right? Isn't that the receipts that she said she had? And where is it? She's like, oh, she said something about if they keep attacking me, I'm going to release it. And that was when Nick was like, yo, release the letter. You can't just hide this, hold this over heads if you've got some secret evidence. And she doesn't, right? She doesn't. So the reality is if she had it, she would have released it cuz she's been getting annihilated on social media. I mean, in the last two days, there was a huge campaign of people just straight up blocking her, including myself, because I'm done with her. When I saw that clip, that's when I'm done with her gaslighting. Like, you got to be kidding me. You're trying to pretend like you're not going because you're scared. That's not why you're not going. You're not going because you're not wanted there. Yeah. >> And so, I expect that Charlie Kirk's wife is going to come out pretty hard over these accusations. And if you watch the clip from the uh the podcast, there's like a the podcaster released a kind of intro about the interview that's going to be coming out. They say they are going to address all these claims, including the $150 million bribe. So presumably the letter. So hopefully we'll find out the truth. And anybody that tries to cast doubt or attack them and say that they're owned or whatever, >> let me give you some advice. Don't do that. Don't do that. You've already done enough damage to your own movement at this point. Just call this. Just take the L. Just take the L, boys. Take the L on this one. You lost badly. >> You tried to turn this into an Israel thing. It backfired like the watermelon girl. Boom. Blow it up on your face. And it's only going to get worse if you keep pushing it. >> Yeah. >> I'm not saying that you can't uh hate Israel. I'm not saying that you can't believe in conspiracy theories. Conspiracies clearly do happen. I'm just saying it was a miss on this one. It was a miss on this one. you shouldn't have gone after Charlie Kirk. And what they did was they underestimated how much people love Charlie Kirk. They underestimated how much of an impact Charlie Kirk was gonna have on the right. >> The last thing I want to say about this is this. To expose both Ian Carol and Candace Owens, anybody who disagrees with anything I've said, >> go ahead and look at their Twitter feeds. Show me where you see either of them giving condolences or memorializing or talking about Charlie Kirk at all. Show me anywhere where they're saying, "Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk." Or, "Wow, Charlie Kirk is going to help change everything." They're not. They have no sympathy whatsoever for the fact that Charlie Kirk died. >> You go look at my feed everywhere, you're going to see me talking about, you know, we're going to fight back because of this. We're going to take out the woke left because of this. uh quoting things from Charlie Kirk, retweeting some of his old content, including a cool video that he had where he supposedly saw some UFOs while he was flying around in a plane. >> They're not doing anything to remember Charlie Kirk. All they're doing is they're hurting his legacy. This exposes them for exactly what they are. Everywhere else across Twitter, you see people memorializing him eternal, you know, and so this is where this is the biggest reveal of all. If you want to uh speculate on what's going on, here's speculation for you. Here's a conspiracy theory for you. If you want, if my the people out there thinks everything's a conspira, here's a real conspiracy. These people are out here to divide the right. They want to take some of the people on the right and try to convince them that it was Israel. So, we stop blaming the left, the people that are actually responsible for Charlie Curt's death. >> Interesting. >> And or here's the other side of that, Ashton. What if >> Oh god, >> what if someone implanted information into these people? >> I knew you were going to go that way. This is the reverse of the reverse of the reverse psychology. >> Listen, what if what if though some quote unquote credible sources implanted information into them to where it made them look crazy for even saying this [ __ ] so soon to where it kind of excused Israel's other discretions. Yeah. Um, I mean maybe you know I think that there could be a distraction. I mean basically you're saying could it be a distraction? Sure. I mean to me that makes more sense than Israel being involved in, you know, his assassination. It's distracting us from other. It's distracting us from Epstein. Sure. I'd believe that before I'll believe that Israel assassinated uh paid a 22year-old uh you know homosexual dating a transfer, right? Like it's just it's sorry it's just beyond what I'm willing to, you know, believe in and I'm pretty open-minded guy. So yes, to me it's more of like are we being distracted by this stuff? Why are they pushing it so hard? Why do they keep pushing it even though their whole story is falling apart? Why can't they let that go? And and here's another thing I'll say for the people out there that are really upset with me and there's a lot that are really really upset. >> Why do you care so much >> about making this a conspiracy? >> Think about this is what I was telling people. I've been blocking a lot of people. If you are somebody that is obsessed with this, why why are you so obsessed with making this about an Israel con? Why are you obsessed with making this into a conspiracy at all? Right. They're obsessed with I said people that go against government and don't trust government. Those are the people that are looking for the conspiracies because they don't believe in our own government. >> No. >> Period. >> But just be so what? What does that have to do with Charlie Kirk? Mhm. >> Just because you don't believe in the government, you have to make up a conspiracy about Charlie Kirk. He's beloved. We're trying to literally put him his body in the ground. So, this is the thing. Like, can you realize that people are sensitive about this and just let it go? And the answer is no, they can't. >> And the reason why they can't let it go is because they're obsessed with making it about Israel. It's not about Charlie Kirk. It's not about the truth. the people that if they were actually after the truth, they would have the grace to not talk about it and let people grieve until after he's in the ground. Right. Yeah. >> That's what they would have if it was about the truth. >> So that's the reality of the situation. So what I would tell people out there and if people continue attacking, I'm going to continue to block people. I don't care how many followers I lose. I've lost like 5,000 followers over this and I don't give a one [ __ ] I could lose all my 300,000 followers on Twitter over this. You need to do some soularching for the people that are still trying to push this right now. You need to decide how much is this narrative worth it to you. Is it worth it for you to lose all your credibility? Is it worth it for you to get completely shunned because you just can't let this go? You need to decide that for yourself. Look internally and really ask yourself, why do you care so much about making a fake conspiracy related to Charlie Kirk that has no evidence to support it? None at all. that is contraindicated by all the evidence that's out there. >> Yeah, >> that's what you have to ask yourself. And it a lot of people are not going to be able to handle this because their minds have been broken. It's called brain rot, >> been broken by this. And I feel bad for those people, but you need to get slapped. You need to get put in your place. And that's what I'm >> way before before this next quick segment before we end. Um what is your religion and background like just spiritualitywise? Yeah, I addressed this the other day because people always try to, you know, make me part of the conspiracy, make anyone part of the conspiracy. I'm fully transparent. Always been fully transparent and I've always been honest. >> Anyone that scientist doesn't believe in God, right? >> What? What did you say? Sorry. >> I said anyone that's a scientist doesn't believe in God. >> There's no incompatibility between science and faith. I'm not an atheist. I believe in God. I was baptized Roman Catholic. I'm not practicing, but I am spiritual. Baptized Roman Catholic. I did go to Jewish preschool for like one year when I was like four years old. >> Oh, there it is. We got him. We got him. >> But I then I went to public school up until high school. And in high school, my parents forced me to go to Catholic high school where I went to mass and Bible study, all that stuff, right? >> And then I moved to Singapore when I was in high school. So I literally lived with international people from all over the world, every possible religion and ethnicity. And then I came back to America. I was actually, let's say, agnostic, atheist in college for a little bit. Had a phase like that and became more and more spiritual as I've grown older. And now I do absolutely believe in God. I believe that this universe is a construct and all constructs have a creator. So there you go. That's my background. By the way, none of my parents, none of my family is Jewish. My mom's side of the family is Italian and German like three or four generations back. My dad's side is Scottish. That's where Forbes comes from. Forbes is a long-standing Scottish name. There's a house, Castle, Forbes, all this stuff. There you go. Now you know my background. >> All right. So, I I do want to point this out because I I can't I can't let this show go without saying this. And we're talking about Charlie Kirk here. I know there's a big debate between Israel, Christianity, did Israel do it, did they not? Obviously, I think we've summed up that we do not at this time believe Israel's done it. We also believe that there are grifters out there that think or are trying to say that Israel has done it. But I do want to say about Charlie Kirk and his legacy. >> Uh 2 Timothy 4:7 says, "I have fought the good fight. I have finished a race. I have kept the faith." Uh Charlie's life really reflected this. He wasn't perfect, but he lived with conviction. I mean, he stood boldly for what he believed even when it cost him his life in this case. >> And so, what will our legacy be? Um, will we be remembered uh just as people that didn't stand for truth or will we be remembered as people that did stand for truth or the people that stood silent? Charlie Kirk was not silent. He stood for truth no matter what it cost him and eventually it did cost him his life. Joshua 1:9 says, "Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened and do not be dismayed for that the Lord your God is with you wherever you go. Fear is the tool of the enemy. When voices like Charlie's are attacked, um it is meant to intimidate us, but we must not be in fear. Instead, we trust that God goes before us. And so, no matter what, you have to speak on truth. And especially God, he says, do not be fearful of what you are supposed to say. This has been a big thing with us on on this podcast spiritualitywise is like, what do we say? And so the church must never shrink back. Like our calling as truth seekers, Ashton, you people out there should be talking about we can't recede after this. Um our calling is to be courageous and we cannot compromise >> to be Charlie Kirk. And even though I am not a Christian, I am still a follower of Charlie Kirk. Yeah. And I believe in what he stood for. >> And that's number one, you know. And I think that there's this big elephant in the room right now, you know, about Israel and about Jews and where they stand and where Christians stand. And I think we have to have this conversation. >> Well, and and I want to go on. So love is our greatest weapon. John 13 34 through35 says, "A new commandment I give you is that you love one another, not just as I have loved you, but you also have to love one another by this of all people that you know you are my disciples. if you have love for one another. Uh Charlie challenged us to think critically and stand firm um in this entire thing. That's why when he would bring people to the microphone, he would say, you know, hey, what is your situation? And some of these people were trans, some of these people were whatever whatever walks of life. And then when the crowd would start kind of booing them or whatever, Charlie would say, no, no, let let them talk, dude. Like this this is the point of this conversation, >> right? >> And so when hatred rises, love harder. Um, when division deepens, build bridges. And that's what you got to do. Romans 1:16 says, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God and the salvation for everyone who believes." Charlie wasn't ashamed to speak boldly. And neither should we. And the gospel is something not to hide. Yeah. >> Um, it is the very power that changes hearts, families, and nations. And I think if you guys look at Charlie Kirk's assassination, >> we have to have hard conversations, too, though, where it doesn't go like with exactly what Charlie Kirk believed in. But his belief went far beyond the Christian belief. >> Yeah. >> He believed in everyone and he believed that everyone was a child of God. No matter what their religion is, if they didn't believe in God or if they did believe in God, he was trying to be a truth seeker to bring those people to God. And no matter where they are or what their stance was, I think that's the difference with Charlie Kirk and a lot of other people. >> I just let it >> let me just say that it's it's very difficult to unbrainwash people. I saw that comment in the chat. Um, absolutely. It may even be impossible. And that's what I said about, you know, we may have to make hard decisions about how we stop this. But Charlie Kirk was one of a kind watching his clips what he did. Nobody can do what he did. This guy went to college campuses and he had the right kind of attitude to be able to interact with these people who were screeching lunatics that hated him, right? And he did it with grace every time. Now, I saw I'm not even going to say the guy's name. He's uh you'll know he's a cuck. He was trying to recreate be Charlie Kirk. He's trying to go out there and do what Charlie Kirk did. He's just getting completely annihilated. People are screaming him down. He can't even handle a crowd. This goes to show that what Charlie Kirk did was a skill. And I really hope that we can find that we can learn from what he did and and take the lessons from it and try to do what Charlie Kirk wanted to do, which was change the hearts and minds of people. I do hope that that's possible. I don't know that it is, but I do hope so. No, I I 100% agree with that, Ashton, for sure. Um, it's it's been an interesting conversation tonight. Absolutely. And, you know, I wish Ian would have come on the show. He didn't I literally right before that we started this podcast I I said hey I I sent the link to Ian I said hey if you want to come on come on because you know I don't know how many people you have as seeing 10,000 something here uh live but and that's across um I don't know whatever platforms but I think that clips from this or the actual show going forward will get a lot more notoriety >> well and I think we have to have conversations like this and it's not just like calling somebody out and saying you're a piece of [ __ ] cuz you believe in this, but where does your thought process come from? Is it from making money or is it from believing in like the truth of God? >> Yeah. >> You know, and and this is where Chad and I struggle so much with religion and you know, I'm totally spiritual, but I'm not all into religion. And I think conversations like this have to be told and people have to like hear them and we got to figure out where we are in order to come together because I think >> let me tell you. Oh god. >> I think there's so much divide in our world and especially in America. And I think we're divided on more than just black and white and this and that and you know but we are divided spiritually. And let me say in terms of how to reconcile. First of all, Ian Carol, he should have already apologized to Erica Kirk. It's gross that he hasn't yet. He That's the first thing he needs to do. He needs to apologize. He needs to admit that he was wrong for pushing this conspiracy theory. I mean, this is just base stuff is it? And he needs to say that he's a [ __ ] That I'm just adding that in there. He should also then apologize to me and the other people that he's been kind of going after for the last week straight. He needs to do that. He's going to lose a lot of followers. is going to lose a lot of credibility, but that has to be the base point that he has to do. After that, here's the situation. I I'm the kind of person that I will still listen to you. I will still listen to you even if you push something like this as long as the next time you learn from it. The next time you actually push something with facts and evidence. The reason why I liked Ian Carol initially is that he had good videos and stuff where he actually pushed like his financial stuff. Uh, I didn't really watch his GameStop stuff, but he I don't know what's happened to him recently, but now he's gone all in on this whole Israel thing where everything is about Israel. Everything has to be blamed on Israel. And that's I guess that's where he lost his way. So ultimately, he can do whatever he wants. It's up to him. It's his life. He can choose what he wants to do. I He has the right to freedom of speech just like the rest of you do to say and believe what you want and I have the right to criticize it. >> That's the case and that's what I'm going to do. >> I agree. Well, guys, I think that's going to be it. Um, you know, Ian did say, Ashen, that he would be willing to come on in a couple weeks, but I I don't even want to entertain that because I don't think he will show up in two weeks. Even if Hold on, hold on, Cherry. Let let me finish. >> In two weeks, he said he would come on and everybody's like, "Bring Ian back on." And yet, of course, he's not going to come on. And I honestly kind of knew that he was not going to come on on this particular >> I kind of felt it, too. But he also said it was because of uh Ashton's re rhetoric on X or Twitter. >> Tit and that's not the reason why he didn't come on because he was going to get annihilated. You guys listen to the whole thing. So let's not make excuses for these people, right? He needs to just be honest, right? He needs to be honest. He should have also been honest about his opinions of MH370. And I don't think he was being honest about that either. Like the thing I hate the most is when these people are kind of deceptive. are afraid to tell their true opinions. I value honesty. That's why I like Nick Quentes. I don't agree with him. I'm not a racist. I'm not even anti-semite or what have you. But he's honest about his opinions. He'll say what he means and what he feels. Ian Carol's afraid to say what he feels because he's afraid of how the backlash. Those are the people that I can't stand. >> So, step one, >> tell the truth. >> Tell your true opinion. That's my last thought. And yeah, and I should I don't like I said I I don't necessarily agree with everything that you said tonight for sure, but you know, I I think that we have uh I mean I I 100% agree with the Israel, you know, notion of Charlie Kirk's assassination. But, you know, we talk about this all the time on our podcast if people want to follow our podcast is Investigator Earth podcast on Spotify. We mostly do audio. We'll start doing uh more video stuff and obviously Ashton, you're on uh YouTube and X and all of that. Just X Ashton or Ashton Forbes on YouTube. Uh, let us know what you guys think. Let us know. Is there a bigger conspiracy behind this? I think in the next few weeks, we're going to find out a lot more. We have uh Erica Kirk gonna be talking Wednesday about this. And so, uh, Asho will say if she says some crazy stuff on that on that episode, I thought, yeah, we got to get to eat a lot of crow. We'll see. >> I hope so. >> I doubt she will, but um, but we'll see. But guys, that's going to be it for us. Thank you, Ashton, for coming on. We appreciate everybody for listening. Maybe next time we'll get Ian Carol on the show. And there is Ashton. We would have Ashen dance if we had music at the end of this because Ashton does do dancing every once in a while. >> Yeah, because we have to dance in Charlie Kirk's >> memory. >> Memory. Yeah, for sure. >> Yeah, for sure. >> I couldn't think of the word. Sorry. >> All right, guys. Till next time. We love you. Peace out. Heat. Heat. [Music]