MH370 Space 2/18/24

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# MH370 Space 2/18/24 there's some there's some remarkable facts to this story right and if you don't know we have uh we we have today Ashton Forbes who's probably the world's leading researcher on M Flight MH370 which you can go into all the details about um but the bottom line is you you just uncover this just amazing mystery Rel to this thing it's over the course of the last I think it's 10 eight to 10 years right it it happened I mean look it was a Malaysian flight that disappeared so many crazy circumstances surrounding it and uh you know it's clear that the US government was involved in covering it up it's clear the Chinese government has been involved to some degree you what are your you know just what are your thoughts on what like where all this is going and what you're going to do after after you kind of quit talking so much about just the history of what's come to you yeah um you know I don't know that I'm necessarily the leading researcher in general Rel to the plane but I've got to be pretty high up there at this point um you know I still think maybe Florence dangi has that Crown if I'm being honest um her book is really long and in-depth and I've spoken her uh at length several times uh just pinging ideas off her in general uh with respect to the videos though the MH370 videos uh I think it's safe to say that I'm you know I guess the world's leading uh researcher on the videos in general um I'm looking right now at my evidence list that I put together early on people said you know you should build an Evidence list um we did that uh it's all very well categorized you can find the link pinned to my profile if you want to check it out um I've got you know categories for every single aspect of the videos and the investigation in general enal um it's been you know 6 months of going hard uh there was I remember one podcaster I talked to was trying to admonish me saying how well other people investigate stuff for 10 years and they write a book or whatever well it doesn't really matter how long you look into something so much as the body of knowledge that you uh dig up from it so not only did we look into every aspect of the videos assuming that if they're real that we would be able to authenticate them and I think we've authenticated essentially every aspect of them in general um but but then also looked into the history of the plane going missing which I think that's you know both parts of it's almost two halves where you have this half of these videos where you go wow can this really be what happened to this missing plane and then you have this other half which is this giant weird story about what was going on in the days after the plane went missing why was there so much obfuscation um how come we never found any plane when we with the official search or even any pieces of the plane with the official search and you know what what does that all mean and I think that what we've come to conclude is that it means that these videos are probably real it's crazy as the sound but they kind of explain everything around what happened with the plane why it was avisc uh why there was apparently this cover up and why we didn't find anything um i' just say lastly is that with respect to the investigation to just the plane in general from the videos we were able to find out more about spy satellites than I think anybody in the world has figured out um and that was something I would have never ever expected in my whole life you know I would never have thought I'm sitting here revealing how spy satellite technology works just from deduction from looking at what is just labeled as a satellite video um and that was absolutely incredible because sorry I know I said the last thing but this is the real last thing is that everything that we've found uh me and the m370x team as well as everybody who's been contributing on social media it's all open source information it's all publicly available information we didn't have any uh secret back alley meetings where people were giving us envelopes or folders or information like that it was just all out there on the internet and that's what I think is so incredible because it goes and gives a template for how an opsource Grassroots investigation can operate especially in this world we live in now where there's so much fake news if you want to call it that or just misinformation and propaganda that gets pushed out where you can say okay if you collect the information and you build your case you can prove the lie and then potentially get to what the truth really is so thank you for having me appreciate it I'm glad I see diamonds up here as well I see money Penny join thank you guys for jumping on yeah and if you don't mind all right guys so jump into the little purple pill share the space please it's only has two reposts um if you want to come up and join in the discussion ask some questions you got something to say about it by all means uh I can't wait to at some point I there's so much I want to talk about I think the ion the lithium ion batteries in the plane are important to me I think it I think it is important and I I wanna I would love to have a conversation especially with diamond here just to kind of wrap my mind around what the science could be around around this you talked a little bit about it a couple times and you know you're big inness the theoretical physics aspect of it which is looking at it like it's a you know another dimension or portal to some degree right or or at the very least you know what what what do you suppose happened with those three orbs what what let's kind of get into that if you don't mind well so do you want to do the the battery situation or the orb situation well I I well I think they're related do you not um I don't necessarily think that they are I think that some people have thought that um there might be some kind of connection uh it's really hard to say in general I definitely think that the idea that there is 400 187 pounds of dangerous lithium ion batteries uh on this plane was that stuck out right away right you look at that and you go nearly 500 lbs of lithium ion batteries in the cargo bay of this plane they missed there's like three different pallets of it in three different cargo compartments uh they missed two security screenings and you just go this is just recipe for disaster you go look at the atsb report and how they're packaged it's very clear they were not packaged safely and they were just stacked on top of each other so that if any of these batteries ignite they're all going up um and and early on we knew that there was something wrong with those batteries like that and we were trying to figure out are they related to the orbs we to see in the videos or you know what's the situation is it just incidental the connection that I would make is that we see an endothermic event in the thermal video this that's an absorption of energy as opposed to a release of energy and exothermic event like an explosion and when we see that I was actually just looking back at my Dave Rossy hard TRS podcast number three um doing some editing on it and he talked about that the event that we see could absolutely be absorbing the energy from those batteries and why is that important because the thing about lithium ion batteries is they cause something called Runway lithium ion battery fire is that they have so much energy in them this is the reason why when you put them out they just come back up again it's not a situation and all this stuff about the lithium ion batteries we had no idea about until we started digging into them I think that a lot of people didn't even know how dangerous they were and myself included and then once you find out about it you see it everywhere you go to the Post Office and you find out they ask you if you have any in your in your envelope which obviously doesn't have any lithium batteries but they have to ask you anyway just because it's so dangerous you go on to an airplane and they ask you your check bags do you have any lithium ion batteries in them because they it's not like they just cause this fire that's like catastrophic it's that they start this huge fire billowing toxic smoke you try to put it out but then it just comes back up again right like less than a minute later 30 seconds later and it just keeps happening and we didn't even know in 2014 how dangerous they were I'd like everybody who's listening who has access to Google to just Google FAA lithium ion battery fires you'll find a chart the top hit on the faa's website and it basically starts in like 2013 or 2014 and you'll see there's only like a few incidents in 2013 2014 and it's not because there were only so many incidents because we weren't really reporting on them they get banned in the cargo bay of passenger planes in 2015 from the FAA and yet if you look at that chart in the FAA they just keep going up even after they get banned in the cargo bay of passenger planes and in the last two years I believe it's like I have to Google it myself but I believe it's 72 or 74 incidents in each year we're not talking about in the cargo bay we're talking about like people's Samsung phone just exp spontaneously igniting or their laptop battery spontaneously igniting and then they have this whole um protocol where they put it in this bag and then they just pour water and then they close the bag and that's just one tiny little battery and what I found out from talking to experts that ping me about this that have uh either worked and testified on the hill or they have uh like Engineers that know about the lithium batteries is that usually this most dangerous point is when they get first put together because if there's a defect in them that's usually what causes them to ignite as opposed to what you might think where if it just gets too hot which is another way it can happen but it's more likely that it's based on defects so finding out about all this like I don't know about there being a direct connection to the orbs but you could argue that that maybe that level of energy there is what's allowing the orbs to kind of lock into the plane maybe not really sure I don't know how we would prove that but definitely there's some element where you could imagine this event putting out the fire by sucking the energy from the batteries well let me let me and then I want to give uh D Diamond's back so Diamond if you want to chime in any any time please do I'll I'll throw you the um co-host invite again if you haven't shared the space please share the space and we'll go to money pennies here in a sec um what I was going to say is you know with when as it relates to the orbs and it relates to the lithium ion batteries I think you know there's some mechanisms that are happening there and I think all of those mechanisms include an aspect of electromagne batteries are you know they they produce a magnetic field I think that's important um if they're to consider if you're ever going to talk about what the orbs were doing or we want to get into some of that stuff that's just my idea you don't have to necessarily reply to that money Penny what do you got what do you how are you hey thanks I'm good thank you thank you for inviting me in um I just wanted to give a bit of big bigger picture here so I I met Ashton through MH370 initially many many many months ago I don't know how long it was but um from a journalistic perspective obviously I was a BBC journalist many many years ago um although I've still been reporting a a lot on other sort of current events here in the UK um what Ashton has Unleashed is not just a story about MH370 even though that is big enough on its own I just know that a lot of people that say this is a whole load of whats it and they don't believe it even if you don't believe it even if you want to put that completely on the side what has happened from this is it's also opened up a huge parameter of fascinating science looking at different types of propulsion mechanisms that effectively we would put in a free energy capacity that's number one number two it's opened up a huge underlying military strategy by the US military which has been repressed and suppressed and has also opened our eyes to a lot of technology that is used particularly by the US military but other military worldwide that is beyond the technology understanding or awareness of the general public stuff that we did not know about is now coming forward partly as a result of what Ashton has done and number three on a bigger level Financial because I worked in financial services 25 years there are big Financial scandals that we all know about there is the collapse of the whole mortgage Empire not so long ago the biggest world financial Scandal that has ever happened is Malaysia it is still actually ongoing it is that big it involves so much ridiculous complexity that all connects and subsumes and is around MH370 the government in Malaysia at the time the US Department of Justice Goldman Sachs and another of un unbelievably big partners that could still be Associated now with what's happening in our current geopolitical world so I'm just wanting to say not only has he opened up this but he has through his own investigative persistence actually potentially opened up something much bigger yeah real quick just to respond I would say that uh I know there's some people I'm streaming at the same time some people are just kind of probably wondering so what's your opinion Ashton on everything um my opinion is that the MH 37 Z videos are real that they are authentic that they they tell a story of the plane that is backed by more evidence than any other uh Theory out there by Miles not even it's not even close we use more evidence in this Theory than anyone else um we throw out the least amount of evidence all we throw out is uh some of the satellite pings and that's it which uh I haven't put it out yet but we have found that these satcoms are extremely easy to manipulate and to hack so it would be very easy to falsify that evidence uh and make people think the plane win in the South Indian Ocean um but even if you don't believe that that that's fine what I will say is that part of my belief doesn't come just from the videos it also comes from the investigation the Deep dive uh you know just having so much body of knowledge about now kind of how weird it was the way the government was acting um and everything that led up to the investigation the search not find anything but also the connections that I've made since then just in the investigation the people that have reached out to me I've got at least a half a dozen different stories of people that I I don't have on the record but have pinged me in DMS uh sent me emails that claim to be in pretty high positions like people that work for NASA people that are on VX VFX companies that all have stories that say Hey this is real like I can't go on the record but don't stop doing what you're doing uh things like that right which is wild but it's not just that the people that I've had on my hard TRS podcasts Salvador Pas Bob Greener Dave Rossi Roy de Herbert these are all people who are scientists by the pure definition like experimental scientists ones that actually go out there and do the work and they can explain what we see logically so what we see in those videos is accurate to theoretical physics and Engineering as well which I in my opinion speaks volumes as to their legitimacy how many times have you seen scientists engineers and physicists going to bat for random quote unquote UF videos doesn't happen very often Diamond you're back can you hear us can you can you talk can you hear me now got you perfectly what's going on nice to talk to you Diamond I think diamond and I have had how many two or three I don't know exactly how many podcasts we did together but they were both great or all three of them however many it was yeah it was three now awesome yeah and D the thing I love about talking with diamond is that I I've done so many podcasts but rarely do I talk to somebody where they know a huge amount of information regarding like what the government is covering up uh related to the technology and also they're not you know in my opinion like too into the woo right like diamond keeps it very grounded which is also what I try to do as much as you can when you're talking about teleporting airplanes right um but you know I try not to extend to other conspiracies and other elements that would uh open up the case and investigation into unwanted scrutiny oh awesome um hey if you have not shared the space there's over a hundred people in here there's only a few shares please share the space we'll have a great conversation if you want to come up and ask a question or you got something to add please throw your hand up um we went to money Penny we got a couple listeners you serm I'm sorry speakers you serm did you have something you wanted to jump in and say or uh follow the logos either of you two yet okay take that as a no for now d uh Diamond I got a question for you with regard to the orbs like I want to hear I didn't let me just say this Ashton you said I think you said anti-gravity in one of the videos I saw you got you talking about you said anti-gravity what were your thoughts around the orbs in anti-gravity yes so the thing is anti gra gravity is a bit of a misnomer right we use this termity but it's not like we're like I don't know making gravity go away right it's if anything there's a couple things at play here I think there's actually two different elements at play one is that the orbs themselves are creating type of a bubble around themselves which can displace them from localized SpaceTime which then allows them to have a localized relative mass of zero and if you have no mass then that gravity is is not impacting you but at the same time you can see this geodesic forming so it's like they're creating their own path of curvature that they're following like and that's why it looks like there's these train tracks almost in front of them these black lines so in my opinion there's two aspects going on there and then when people generally talk about anti-gravity they're just talking about a force that is negating the force of gravity itself so a lot of um if you look out there and find these various electromagnetic effects that people can create it's just creating an opposite force that is now allowing something to kind of float I think one of the videos I showed is that you can even do do it with sound waves um so you know I can't say exactly my scientific knowledge hasn't reached quite that point but from a Layman's perspective that's kind of how I look at it you have these two different things going on and the one uh the way Salvatore Pi describes the one where you see these lines in front of the orbs is like a laser that's shooting a high frequency uh pulse which is able to uh vibrate or you know use vibration to break down break through the swinger l and essentially break through the fabric of reality to the underlying vacuum um and that's how you're seeing that that those cold lines now again that's speculative but that's the best I've got for right now in terms of explaining it all right I love it um follow the logos you wanted please go ahead jump in yeah hey guys thanks um Ashton I've interacted with you a lot good work um I hope to talk to you privately someday but yeah absolutely the the thing that's happening with these spheres as well as any um higher dimensional object is that they're tuning into so space and time have Associated frequencies so we think about like our three-dimensional spaces an XYZ um coordinate space um you can extend that to include time and so frequencies are basically tuning into not only places but also times and so my belief is that those spheres that were in Vel oping the MH370 were basically tuning themselves into a specific place but also a specific time um and essentially what's happening is that space is is moving around that like like that object is enveloped in a bubble that is essentially it's it's not moving past the space and the time the space and the time are moving past it um maybe that's sort of a circular way of explaining it but basically that that's my belief so I think Ashton is absolutely on the right track salvator Pas and the guys that Ashton's talked to are are heavy weights in this field and they are coming at it with a very scientific viewpoint but the truth is is that to bridge this gap between what we are seeing visually with the videos of MH370 which to be clear have never been disproven have never been debunked um what we are seeing with in visual space is the the exiting of a physical object from this particular uh coordinate uh meaning XYZ time uh four-dimensional coordinate system to another position in that coordinate position or in that coordinate system so I just Ashton has been on the money this whole way I've told him privately I've told him publicly you are on the right track the the real Curious part about this to me is that um so I never watched this show but how many of you have watched the show Lost like this show this think about this for just one second please I implore you how many of you have thought about the fact that the the the television show on a national broadcast within the US was telling this story okay what does that tell you about time what is the fact that a Hollywood production of MH370 years before it happened tell you about time and I'm not trying to make the conclusion for you but what I would propose is that there is information that can be sent backwards in time so many films such as uh Interstellar have created this idea of like oh you know who is telling us this information oh well it's us from the future that's not totally wrong in my opinion I think that is true to some extent there is information being conveyed to us backwards in time and what's quite beautiful about it is that it takes the form of art art is Incorruptible now if you have artwork that is corruptible it's not art it's propaganda and many people who seek the truth Shepherd you're the host I've I've looked at a lot of your content I know you do seek the truth you know that it it escapes the confines of propaganda but propaganda can only manipulate JRR token said evil cannot create anything new it can only I don't verbatim I don't know it but basically it can only retell existing stories so all I would say is that we are getting information from many different vectors telling us about what what reality is and it is absolutely crazy like Ashton from a a concrete physical perspective is unveiling how crazy this is yet it happens to be the truth there's a reason to saying reality is Stranger Than Fiction exists so keep your eye keep your minds open keep your you know keep your keep your uh intuition open to these signals and I think you will find that um you know not only is Ashton right but we live in a place that is very heavily controlled um that is trying to mislead us all the time sorry go ahead Ashton yeah and so what I would say there is um so one thing I'm not sold on and I don't mean to criticize your opinions because I think that one thing you start to learn is that there is kind of a blur between reality and fiction when you start to think of things like teleportation being real right but I'm not sold necessarily on being able to break causality which should be able to send information back in time um but there is this idea if you believe in string theory right where you might have alternate timelines alterate dimensions and I kind of joke about that in some of my posts and replies that I make um which I do think is interesting to to dig into absolutely though when it comes to like the XYZ axis this is something that even uh I was re listening to my podcast with Dave rosi earlier today and editing it and pulling out some clips and he mentions that as well with respect to the orbs is that you have three orbs and this is the minimum number that you need in order to create a two-dimensional uh shape in a threedimensional environment and this is where he proposed the fourth orb hypothesis which is that your fourth orb is what determines where the object's going to go so that those orbs are mapping the plane and if you were to scrunch time down like you were mentioning then you would see them basically SP making a sphere around the plane which in my opinion has to be some sort of mapping or tracking or however you want to think of it and then they switch this orientation to a ring formation which I don't think is random I think that that ring formation where they're going vertically around the plane is literally preparing for the event that's about to occur when they Converge on the plane that also seems to have purpose right like if you're jamming magnets together that have the same polarity you're going have those very strong repulsion effects and that's what I think is the trigger for them to slingshot he's actually mentioned that word slingshot like a rubber band from one location to the other where the straight to Diego carcia Aston Hold on diamond got to jump in here I can't stand to see you sit here and listen to all this I'm talking I just I want to bring it back to the orbs and the technology behind that because it was like 45 maybe 50 years ago Bob Lazar described the tiny reactor that was in this so-called extraterrestrial spaceship and he described uh how it could be used now if this actually comes from a you know a a distant star let's say a star system uh some of these craft well they would have to have the same technology that we looked at during that uh you know the three orbs creating a wormhole because you couldn't just use the ship the way it flies around the earth now with that tiny reactor you would have to go faster than the speed of light to go to and from um you know to get to your destination so to speak so I think that the technology has been around for decades and why are why are people just interested in in it now that's the interesting thing um because Bob Lazar talked about Element 115 he talked about this tiny reactor that's like 12 inches across which is probably clearly uh the technology that's inside those orbs yeah and on that front it was interesting because when I first started talking to the engineers and the scientists I thought okay this must be some kind of element 115 there's some exotic um element that's being used as like a fuel source but interesting it seems like that's not even necessarily required because we also have this capability when you start to dig in this technology of opening up a system to the vacuum energy of SpaceTime and Dave Rossy on that same podcast I was referring to even talks about there being enough energy in just the vacuum of space time or in a glass of water to like destroy the entire planet if it was harnessed correctly and that's where you start to realize like you might actually just be able to suck energy in real time with a system where you don't even need Element 115 now it's not to say that element 115 is not necessarily real it could actually be a real element that can produce these types of anti-gravitational effects but it just might not be necessary and I thought wow that even opens up the possibilities even more at that point and I actually do believe Bob Lazard is telling the truth I just think that he comes off as a very Earnest guy he like me comes across like a normal person that was in an extraordinary situation that wanted to do what was good for the world and that we ignored him for decades and he just kind of drifted back into his own thing and people used whatever they could against him whatever forms of any weakness he had right he I don't know invested in a brothel or I don't I forget what all the different things are oh he's his an education background we can't figure out all the stuff and and you know whatever they can find on them they're they're brutal about the way they attack I I heard you talking a little bit about that on one of your podcasts or trying to get you fired from your job I've experienced this twice now it's unbelievable how these people act D it makes me so angry it makes me so angry to see what people are doing to Ashton yeah and I think that just to be honest with you guys I expected uh at least a little bit of that maybe even all that before I I my profile picture used to be an anonymous face mask the guy fox face mask right and my my username used to be something different as well and it wasn't until I the confessionals podcast was about to drop that I that I changed it and revealed myself and I was thinking about all these people that have been attacked even people like Elon Musk that was out there when he got attacked for buying out Twitter um Bob Lazar and the people in the UFO community and how they got attacked and I said okay I got to get ready for this storm that's going to come because reality is when you start talking about this kind of stuff it's not just the government coming at you with this information but it's also the people that don't want it to be real that their whole world view is threatened if this stuff is real right and it's the mick wests it's the mick wests right yeah and I and definitely was aware of Mick West beforehand as well and there's a lot of people like him that they're just it's so ironic because they have this pretentious attitude that like they are the ones that are the Arbiters of Truth and they're The Gatekeepers of Truth and if anyone thinks outside of their tiny world view that they must be crazy or they they can't process logic when it's exactly the opposite you know it's that they're the ones who they don't know anything about science they don't dig into it they don't try to understand anything they just try to do this self- soothing uh where they try to find something that will poke a hole in something that seems incredible and then they kind of claim it's debunked and move on and I I saw it a lot before I dug into this case and that's why too I realize you have to be very careful about how you reveal this kind of information because it can upset a lot of people so if there's people out there that go oh these videos are debunked you know I saw some guy says there's a VFX that's that's a match well first of all it comes from this guy MC West um you know everything leads back to him I found out but also that's fine if you don't want to believe it's real that's I don't not here to push it on you right that's not my my view I just want to slowly awaken people up to this idea that even in the UFO sphere and realm the stuff that these uh celebrities UFO celebrities are telling us is just surface level like it's you know having aliens be real or they're being floating crafts that seems neat right but the stuff that really really will impact people is learning like what this technolog is capable of the idea of force fields cloaking devices medical healing uh fusion power your hand uh free energy then teleportation and then the big one is doomsday weapons so once you start to realize that those things can be real then you're like whoa the rest of this just seems kind of like a sideshow right yeah I wanted to that's actually I was gonna I was gonna jump in a second ago and you landed in the exact same area I think it's more exciting when you get to talk about stuff like this it's not necessarily about waking up the masses but more about finding people who who are you know of the level of investigation with you who can understand it who want to go deeper you know to find others that you can bounce bounce ideas against I think right now you know we're in this we're in this uh era where we're realizing so much of the science that we've been taught just isn't true gravity for example I've been I've been stuck on studying gravity for six months now it's wild you know to think about what it really is versus what they've told us that we've all just accepted and and Par it now like we're all we're all experts because we were taught something in a ninth grade classroom um there are a couple hands so let's go to money Penny and then we're going to go to Omar if you haven't retweeted the space I'd ask you to do that please go ahead you two great thank you um so timing um I having had many years investigating many different things all across the world that had nothing to do with this would say timing is not a coincidence and I just wanted to point out a couple of things that the speakers have said in the past 20 minutes or so um I'll just make you think so if you look at my profile you will find that I've posted in the last uh two weeks um about six different things that are very relevant to that that are happening now in today's world so start with something simple like Russia Ukraine okay bit of a war going on there at the moment um all very very controversial um and as part of all of that if we look at the history of what's happening with Russia and Ukraine we also have to take into account planes that were shot down in the southern part of Ukraine a Malaysian plan plane mh17 I think it was that was shot down in the southern part of Ukraine or was it Russia I don't know but do you know that over 300 passenger aircraft have been hacked taken over remotely controlled in the past year and that that is a 20% increase and that most of that has come apart because of something called fly by wire which is um a technology that very simply allows a plane when it goes onto autopilot to be run by a computer which which makes it bloody vulnerable and means that even back to 9/11 you can go online and find some very very convincing and I don't know one more the other conspiracy theories that tell you the two airplanes that went into the towers on 9/11 were not the airplanes you thought they were but they were actually grayed out unmanned drones that were flown in a fly by wire capacity we have the film Oppenheimer tonight on the stage winning Awards um that's that's somebody called Einstein isn't it who uh fleed from the Nazis um and German things like plasmoid technology the use of gravity magnetism those things that are around our Earth that we probably haven't even looked into the German scientists that were paid lots of money and brought over by the Soviets or by the United States who were put into Laboratories to start making bioweapons in 1951 and then we look at 1973 when we had Kennedy and we had an assassination and we had a problem that all the space exploration at the time was being hidden but we then have wikileak that brought out all the UAP cablegate that are also on my profile that will show you that the US Military and these are all in cables on Wikileaks you can see them for yourselves Kissinger signing off projects for us technology to go out in 1973 and measure the radiation coming from Celestial sources that they were looking at in the 1970s over parts of Argentina this is not a coincidence to me that all this is happening at this time and the UAP disclosure being on the board at exactly the same time none of that is coincidence and I think this is an opportunity to break out a whole lot more than just what happened to MH370 and I think it's bloody brilliant thank you for hey Omar go ahead welcome thank you Shephard and first time joining us like it's a pleasure that um just want to let you know never somebody message like this this just shows you're the loser everybody else and all the other word but right around of The Disappearance you automatically lost of mh3 never come back and I kind of went down a path where I tried to study it and learn more about it I have a fascination with Avi everything Aviation and a loser especially this one because it's such a mysterious case that disappeared she didn't do what I asked either for the um a lot of questions that I kind of brought to my own attention was the fact that there was some debris that was found across the coast of Madagascar and Africa bring it back to the topic um has there been any credibility to this debris and there was some speculation as to the person who even found it there was some questions there too and the debris also was missing a lot of um you know information that's kind of like a serial number for a plane it was a lot of it was missing or been maybe manipulated do we have any more information on what exactly was found and could it be a remnants of another plane if not of MH370 yeah good question on that so everybody asked about the debris right because there's two aspects that keep this Narrative of pilot suicide alive one is these iMat pings which you're going to hear a ton of fake experts and I'm just calling them fake because they are they don't have any real relative expertise related to satellite pings they came up with their own novel explanation for how to rationalize those pings and as I pointed out those satcoms are easily hackable and all it would take is flipping around one number and next thing you know they're thinking this planes in the South Indian Ocean right the other thing is that this debris that washed up in The Reunion Island which is in Africa right 3,000 nautical miles away from where they supposedly where the plane crashed no debris washes up in Australia despite the fact that it's much much closer so what they did here was they ran these uh models and models are not science um that's not how science works is making a model that's how you come up with some self- soothing explanation for what you want to be true and they threw some debris in the water and uh some boards and they immediately found out there was no way it could get 3,000 miles and so what they do they ignored that they said oh just kidding guys and then they had the Americans who are actually probably implicated based on the videos that we've got uh give them a 777 flapper on and they do a new model and very quickly they decide oh Yep this is this will work this will get the stuff over to The Reunion Island and it's it's actually highly scrutinized by several people the claim that no there's no way that could have got there and that the lepus the um Barnacles would not match what actually showed up with the this flapper on that did wash sure um so I think it's pretty absurd that this idea that there was a couple pieces that washed up in Africa somehow proves that the plane crashed in near Australia 3,000 miles away especially when we didn't find the debris field that is the number one thing no debris field for a 777 now lastly there the debris that was found there's a fla Ron is the biggest piece about 8 ft long out of a 100t long wing it was matched uh and connected and brushed away and just hidden where no one else can look at it uh by a nonunique serial number a part number was used the media does not report on this there's a if you Google MH370 flaperon uh cereal plate you'll find the cereal plate was actually missing the unique serial plate that should have been on the flaperon they claim it washed off even though it would have been bolted on towards this this this part and that would have conclusively said that that's from MH370 as opposed to a part which is going to potentially be related to another 777 now there was a couple other pieces as well that even tinier much tinier pieces that were also tied uh to the plane I think they Ed like paint and stuff like that to claim that it's part of the plane right um and then there's some other pieces as well that don't really get talked about but have like burn marks on them that actually have the honeycomb pattern of a Boeing airplane that they couldn't directly potentially tied to the plane but uh I've done uh a couple pieces about those because with the fire scenario uh as well as this idea of this kind of teleportation that debris there's no inconsistency right a couple pieces could have burnt off or come off the plane they could have uh had the plane parked at Diego Garcia took the plane apart thrown some in the water and actually if you look at the drift patterns the drift patterns from where they claim the plane crashed goes right past Diego Garcia before it gets to the reunion Islands you can actually argue it makes more sense that the debris would have been thrown in the water near Diego Garcia and then landed and washed up in reunion Islands rather than near Australia where we should have found at least a couple pieces that washed up on the shore of Australia but nothing does um so overall the debris is not inconsistent at all with the scenario that we've put forth here on the MH 370x investigation but the lack of debris is a huge um inconsistency with the idea that the plane crash in the South Indian Ocean because there should have been thousands of pieces of debris um you know bodies uh luggage pieces of plastic a lot of the plane is made of very light metals and plastic um as well as like all the flotation devices and chairs all this stuff like if you look at other plane crashes in the water you're going to find debris huge and especially when it's in the water it starts to spread out it would have been so large it would have been unmistakable we actually would have seen it the very next day on satellite not even just us but other countries as well like United States Russia Etc I was going to offer two points are you're right we would have seen because you've already proven they had the technology to track it right the SAT technology it was Advanced enough that they would be able to notice that then secondly I I'd offer this I don't think the pl if the plane would have ended up somewhere safe and sound and they could have pulled Parts off of it to dip into the ocean I think they would have done a better job of doing that may I may I say something really quick Shephard yeah go ahead um so what Ashton is talking about in in regards to the identifiers you uh referred to on the wreckage of the the plane so so-called um so I'm from a computer technology uh uh programming background and there's a there's this uh term called uuid universally unique identifier is a 20 128bit label used in information and computer systems it's basic basically like this um almost social security number looking series of numbers that makes a part universally unique right meaning like there's not supposed to be a single other instance of that now in theory yeah it's it's a series of numbers that could be replicated but in reality it's not plausible at all um the one the and Ashton correct me if I'm wrong but the only piece of identify information uh referenced in regards to the wreck the so and socalled wreckage found along the coast of Africa did not have a universally unique identifier in fact it had a an identifier that was at least uh referenced on at least one other plane if not more um so univ uuid is extremely important here because we need something from this wreckage that recognizes mh37 as universally unique and I don't think to this point anything has ever been found that universally uniquely identifies the wreckage as belonging to MH370 yeah that's the yeah the unique seral plate was missing and yeah in databases we have that um in my job we call it the code value it's a unique number as well and that's why I think that's so important to me the the issue with it isn't necessarily how many other planes could have had it because in terms of our Theory there's no issue with that being from MH370 but the fact that the media lies about it and deceives people that's the weird red flag for me is that they don't tell people that it was missing the unique serial plate right and that when I talk to people one of the things a lot of people keep bringing up is oh well they they found this piece and they and they confirmed it was connected to MH370 right but they they missed that part it's like if they're trying to be honest they should mention that the unique serial plate was missing because that's a big red flag in terms of the authenticity of the piece in general it almost seems like they're trying to build a Nar right yeah that's actually what I was referring to as well the serial plate yeah it's a vector for Mi for disinformation it's actually a vector in which you can dis you know to to to modify or manipulate the information uh it's it's almost like a it's almost like a VIN number for a vehicle right guysa corre but for a plane and so I think we've hit enough on that one other thing I want to mention as well is I haven't put this piece out yet but um there's also a lot of question around the engine data so the Wall Street Journal actually retracted a piece early on where they were told by somebody that Boeing and Rolls-Royce confirmed that the engines had shut down properly meaning that this plane would have landed somewhere and this was I believe right around the time where the South Indian Ocean narrative was developed and all of a sudden that got retracted and the question there is well somebody was told that information right like how would some why would somebody lie about that kind of information and the real big question is where's the Rolls-Royce engine data I had people in my repes saying that Rolls-Royce would have been getting pings every 15 seconds and the narrative out there is well Malaysian Airlines didn't pay for the service therefore they didn't have it but my guess is that that was still happening I don't think you you probably don't turn that off you probably just don't if you don't pay for it you just don't get that information like shipped to you but I find it extremely unlikely that the Rolls-Royce engine data was not still transmitting that Rolls-Royce doesn't know exactly what happened to the plane right and I think there's even stuff you guys can go find and Google and you'll find that early on there was a lot of question about whether or not the plane kept flying for another quote unquote 5 hours which if you do the math on the 5 hours you realize that that's right around the same time where we have the plane disappearing out of the sky in two videos If you say that the total flight was about 7 7 and a half hours and then you take away the 5 hours now you got like 2 and 1 half hours and if you start at 1630 UTC then you get to about 1,900 uh um UTC and we're saying the plane disappear at 18 40 UTC so it's like you do the math there and you go wait a minute did this plane really disappear like actually like the same time and location where we're saying in the south in the nicobar islands because there seems to be this narrative around it in fact the very next day the time that they said that they lost contact with the plane was 1840 UTC the exact time where we've been pointing out the plane disappears and then they change that time days later and they go oh no it was uh 1815 or 1822 and you're going but wait you guys can Google this right now I'm not making this up they literally said subang Air Traffic Control lost contact with MH370 1840 UTC nobody even goes and looks at that it's like the information that comes out the very same day the plane goes missing that's the stuff that I'm looking at hard right because that's before they can develop a cover story that's the real information coming out that's being unfiltered can I also bring up the fact that like an innocent woman off the coast of the nicobar islands literally witnessed this plane coming down as you've said many time Ashton like like it it cor corroborates everything you're saying and I I it really bothers me the fact that eyewitness testimony is so readily discarded in today's world because by the way just so everyone knows eyewitness testimony is an acceptable admissible form of evidence in in the court right in the United States I eyewitness testimony is absolutely admissible evidence and we have this innocent woman Ashton you can probably clarify I don't know if she was on her own or if she was someone else but like literally watching this plane to the moment of its disappearance off the nicobar islands I mean that has to count for something yeah it's well that seems weird to me that's weird she she corroborates The Disappearance at the exact moment that the satellite images same location as well so yeah let me clarify that and loog logic if you just put your hand up we got some people with hands up as well so I want to make sure we we're getting people in in the orderly fashion here as opposed to everybody just jumping in I'm just speaking like we're in a conversation dude no I got it I got it but we got to have a little bit of order on this um so with respect to Katherine T that's one of the huge Witnesses so and I 100% agree with what follow the logic is saying there is that all of the witnesses we've got 19 witnesses that corroborate a fire event um and they've all been discredited because they had to build a phony narrative that's out there and I think that humans should be uh believed way over we start to believe in Exel spreadsheets especially when you've got 19 of them corroborating the same event on the same timeline and Katherine T was in the nicobar islands going to puket Thailand from India sees a glowing orange plane flying low with black smoke coming out of the back of it and that it's descending and it's coming from the right direction according to the official data at the same time around 1840 actually spoke to her over the phone and that's the time she told me she told me that she felt pressured by the experts to change her time to fit their narratives and when you look at the videos you can see this plane flying low and descending and we can see this smoke coming out of the back of it and the glowing orange would be coming from the bromine in the hon 1301 fire Extinction gas causing a chemical reaction where this bromine hallogen gas which is a glowing orange gas is permeating throughout the plane right so you look at this you go she didn't make this story up right and every investigator I talked to they just dismiss her they just claim that she's making it up but she if she is then she's been in on this for 8 years right and she's hasn't changed her story she's really committed to that if it's that's the case same with people like Mike McKay who sees the plane on fire when it first goes dark and he loses his job over it like I think this idea these people are making these stories up where the plane actually was is absurd to me so let's do some hands though yeah awesome thank you okay i' uh yep you got it so we'll go um Siri and then Xander and then chai hello guys welcome how are you you're coming in a you're coming in a little fuzzy there sir he is your mic clear one second please just can't hear you brother can you make another adjustment on your mic if you don't mind yeah now it's yeah there you go you're better now yeah much better yeah okay and uh I heard that you talks about open homor and I heard my opinion about nuclear weapons so I want I want to speak with you about nuclear weapons so uh uh there was situation uh about Hitler I think that Hitler had some special weapons with Technologies which other country didn't have so uh he use them to attack and after war ends countries started thing how they can protect themselves against uh some you know uh what you uh some unexpected uh and they understood that it must be some big rocket what could destroy uh you know a big force or uh could be some dangerous so I think the nuclear power is uh protection from uh real uh weapons and that was what uh comeon you know what Ukraine Gaza and other uh it's some not so big worse what could be so it's uh open hmer it's like uh our saor because without this weapons you know uh war wars would World worse than we have now well let me are you are how are you relating this to the MH370 oh I'm so sorry I muted you I apologize how are you relating this to the MH370 uh conversation and you'll have to unmute yourself I apologize I hit the mute button sir you're still on mute you're GNA have to unmute again okay well uh yeah yeah so go ahead just try to land it and ask your question sir I appreciate you man oh yeah uh about this team I don't know anything and one more thing I want to say about uh time uh people think that we can you know travel in time but you know time is like see was uh what keep going uh we can't you know it's like a thir uh rule of thermodynamic that we can't you know count zero of heating or you know of temperature so time is safe and this is like gravity and you can only go you know through the time uh like like go faster in time but you know in when you when you will come from that special place I will not speak about is this technology but you will be like older than others and yeah so I think I get what you're getting at here um is the idea of time dilation right so first of all I think there's two points I hope I'm I'm addressing them accurately here um is first of all one of them is the idea of what what are the weapons that go beyond nuclear weapons right and what we're talking about related to this kind of technology which requires a unification theory of quantum field mechanics and general relativity is something that goes well beyond nukes in fact even Bob greener on my hard TRS podcast mentioned that this type of thing could be used as an annihilation of a nuke like you could just R absolutely right and then the other aspect is time dilation the faster you move time dilation is basically the universe correcting itself when someone moves faster or fast as the speed of light and the idea this comes from like the movie Interstellar where uh The more mass you're next to the slower your time's going to flow and the faster you go I believe the more mass you you kind of gain as you as you move increase your speed so the idea is that your time's going to slow down so from an observer's perspective relative Observer perspective if you are near more mass and you're looking at someone who's near less Mass they're going to look like they're moving super fast if you're you're somebody who is out near less Mass looking at someone near more more mass it's going to look like they're slowing down and moving in slow motion but really what's happening is time is this fluid symmetry that does not flow equally throughout the Universe and that's really important to understand and um I hope that everybody kind of looks into that if you don't believe me because it has been proven to be true let's do some other questions and if we could just try to keep to the point and at and what your question is and try to keep it relevant to MH370 would be great yeah perfect Xander then chai and then we'll go to told after hey everyone hey Shephard thanks for the mic uh Ashton big fan uh loved your conversation with Dave Rossy you guys are both Legends to me so uh I really appreciate that I hope you guys do some more um yeah just a comment and a question a comment about the orbs I've been like I'm not very familiar with the UFO community that much I'm starting to get more and more into it but I'm more interested in the advanced technology government coverup side of things um you also focused on like advanced technology CERN that kind of thing so when it comes to orbs I uh I was listening to One physicist I'm sure someone else has heard this talk about the metaphysical properties of the circle and the idea that we can only comprehend a circle because it's within our kind of dimensional properties and basically a lot could be contained with in that and you know you have like time as in the west people believe it's a straight line in the East people believe it's a circle so um I don't know there's just something about these orbs that you know there's definitely more than meets the eye but I like thinking they're just orbs at face value I don't know there's there's a lot to unpack there for sure um as well as I loved what logos had to say about Quantum propaganda I do think that's a real thing but that's kind of besides the point um my question is now that you've got this snowball rolling and that you're retiring what are the biggest I guess threads to poll still or unanswered questions you might have so yeah that's my question thanks again for the Mike hey Xander appreciate you man appreciate you following both myself and Dave uh he's one of my favorite people on this planet super glad to have met him in general super super smart guy and he's really young I imagine and becoming very influential in the future um with respect to threads to still pull there's really just not a lot right I mean part of the reason why I am stepping away from the investigation is there's not much more to uncover um the pieces that I still have left are looking at the Rolls-Royce engine data and going into that um talking about the iMat satcom and how that can be hacked and then the debris uh drift pattern model analysis they did those are really in my mind the three aspects that are kind of left with respect to the investigation and I've started putting together links and evidence related to them and I'll probably be pushing that out this next week um but otherwise there's not much more to me then the next level is understanding the science and and helping to try to prove that the science is there and getting a visual or um getting like the papers and stuff more uh eyeballs on them by just using my influence or I don't like to say influence but let's say um number of followers I have right to to see to show people those papers and try to get them in front of like some of these science influencers and stuff that are out there um because they have been getting published right and one of them was uh Bob greener's paper that showed like cop is greater than one which is coefficient of uh coefficient of performance and that is essentially overunity that there's more energy coming out than what is going into that system um and and that type of stuff so that's kind of going to be my focus after retiring from the MH370 investigation is you you know doing anything I can to show the science to be real Ashton let me ask you a follow up on the science part have you looked into have you ever heard of the Thunderbolts project in uh the electric Universe um the electric Universe stuff I have been digging into and that was actually a theory it's interesting how there's all these connections to things that I was just theorizing before and one of them was that I don't think we needed uh extra mass to explain dark matter that magnetism and electromagnetism could potentially explain it and I do like the idea that you know that is a better explanation in my my opinion for what's going on there's also this idea that I really like as well related to time dilation Theory from Roy de Herbert that if you think of information as constantly getting more and more complex like a line constantly getting longer and longer as more information kind of uh just gets created into the world even on the quantum scales that eventually that gets to a point where it starts to create its own gravity and so therefore you can come to this idea that the more complexity that exists in the universe the more gravity there should be so therefore the more complex like a Galaxy gets um the more gravity you're going to have therefore the more that can explain the excess uh kind of stickiness that we see that we describe as dark matter which we don't actually see visually um but yeah I like the idea of magnetism electromagnetism that's why I tell everybody now that I early on I figured out that electrical engineering is really the the the mystery science the one that gets you to the secrets of the universe exactly electrical I just watched Thunderbolts project video I watch all this their stuff they just talked about how uh they would rather have an an electrical engineer working with them than a mathematician just because they they mathematicians lose the philosophy and the understanding the mechanics aspect of things they they have trouble with the cause and effect yeah and um the other one what was I goingon to say um crap I lost my train of thought there oh um yeah the thunderstorm generator as well as another thing which isn't the Thunder bolt but thunderstorm generator by Malcolm bendal um I think he's legit I think that he also has been attacked by disinformation because he's legit it's basically an engine that produces zero emissions or next to zero like reduces emissions by 99.9% and that it uh creates these uh plasmoids um using electromagnetism essentially and the uh two different counteracting or opposite spinning uh circular pidal yeah the dioles pidal yeah and the thing about that then is that uh this and I there's very very rich people and Powerful entities that are looking into that technology and that could be just one rudimentary form of the type of technology that can lead to a lot of the other stuff that we were talking about so I would definitely take a strong look at Malcolm bendal work the vortex tube and the thunderstorm generator for sure I I've been saying that that a long time I'm going to be quiet but Shephard will you please come back to me on this topic yes I I know more than Ashton does about this and no dis disrespect Ashton but please okay well let's go to Chai and then Professor Carol and uh anybody else get your hands up if you guys want to speak I just let a couple more on stage okay thank you Shephard and H sry logus I'm not sure if logus is just unable to raise his hand um so just keep that anyways um ason thank you so much for sharing your time with us um I just have a question like how first of all how do you know that this flight was a real flight and um secondly it's like how do you know that this wasn't just set up so that you go down these like rabbit holes well the first one I mean I think to some point you know that for me you work backwards you don't assume that everything fake is that you assume everything's real and you systematically remove information that simply is not supported by facts and evidence or logic and reason and that's the only way I think you can go through the world otherwise you go through the world thinking that everything's fake right um and so to me that's the way you have to work look at it now with respect to how I know that this is in some kind of setup um it's because there's no story that makes sense for that to be the case to me the only thing that would make sense with regards to these videos being fake is if were faked by an intelligence Community um either a foreign adversary or the United States but those don't make any sense either from the information I don't think that Russia would have been sophisticated enough to pull this off China I think would have been but there's evidence that China hacked the Malaysian government the next day and then they also released some weird satellite pictures five days later those are not things that you do if you pull this off those you would be very quiet if you pulled that off that's what you do if you know there's something wrong and you're trying to get to the truth with respect to the US government doing it doesn't make any sense they're implicating themselves if they fake these videos they wouldn't fake them with their own asset filming the plane in two different perfectly ins sync videos they would implicate Russia or somebody else to do it right um and then they would also promote the videos nobody to date has promoted these videos I'm pretty much the biggest advocate in the world how how did the videos come to you I I I never understood that point they didn't come to me in any way that's the other thing as well so and that's where people and I think it's good to lay the foundation for this for people that aren't super familiar with the case is that they had reemerged on social media on uh Reddit back in the summer this last summer and early August and they blew up on this subreddit called UFOs there was only thing anyone was talking about for over a week uh and people were digging into all the aspects of it and I just started documenting what people were doing early on until it got suppressed from that subreddit the mick West debunk of this Pyromania VFX which again as a statement of fact does not actually match it's a weird contention point where like I think that some people just reject the evidence of their eyes and ears on that one um but they got that supressed from all of Reddit so if the government is trying to promote something they don't suppress it and they usually try to promote it one of the earliest things we found out was that the videos on the way back machine go back to a deleted YouTube account called Regis sideon non and we can see from the way back machine that they say in the description which is not conclusive but still evidence says received March 12th 2014 which is 4 days after the plane went missing in the publish date it says published May 19th 2014 which is roughly seven or eight weeks later uh actually nine weeks later 70 days after the plane went missing um furthermore there's many people probably thousands of people that actually saw these videos back then I saw the Drone video Back Then personally I would testify to that fact and this was well before I would have ever thought thought these videos are real I truly think it's only from like 2020 maybe even 2023 that we could even begin to think about these videos potentially being real and that's the same for myself as well and that's why when I saw the Drone video reemerge on Reddit I went wait a minute what I saw this video I remember seeing this 10 years ago and just ignored it are you say are you saying that we those the same videos had been shown 10 years ago and it was so wild that everybody just wrote them off yep 100% And we have proof that they've been out there there's there actually other Reddit posts we saw they were posted by other accounts back then so we have a ton of crating evidence that proves conclusively those videos come from 2014 and that that predates commercial AI predates commercial deep fake technology and that's really where you then start to realize it's very unlikely these were created by any random hoaxer it would take most likely a team of people and even the people that are there's so many people that say oh that's so easy that's so easy the truth is that's it's not easy um any real VFX artist will be have the honesty to admit it's not easy easy and that you need a frame of reference for when you do VFX you don't just build it out of nothing even when you make these like CGI movies that look perfectly real they have people with suits on so that they can manipulate what a person would really look like right and then they kind of paint over it you need a reference right and that's the big thing about VFX there's no reference for these videos most of what we see in these videos especially the small details are completely unique elements and what that means is you have to also create a whole storyboard like even when I create little videos where I speak over them I create this story board and I say here's what I'm going to say I put my different uh video clips that I'm going to throw in there right and that takes hours just to do just to do that part of it right let alone all the editing required and the big thing too is there's no discrepancies on any of these videos it's not like somebody messed up in a frame and all of a sudden there's this big like white spot or that it's not stitched together right you know like they're just perfectly fluid so that's what makes them so compelling is that we have the we we know they went back we don't have the what do they call the Providence like we don't know the actually we do think we know the person that leaked them but we don't have somebody admitting that they did right and that's the difference between a lot of what you see in ufology someone say I took these pictures here they are right we don't have that but we were able to deduce these you know these come from this specific YouTube account and weirdly enough we were able to figure out like we found somebody that went to prison at the right time yeah I was going to ask you about him what's his name Lieutenant Colonel L Lieutenant Commander Edward C Lynn right so I'll just tell briefly the story this is another if you guys look at my evidence all evidence pinned to my profile he's got his own paragraph uh category because of how much evidence there was for this I put in foyer requests to the FBI and NCIS uh regarding him the FBI rejected it for uh identity purposes NCIS rejected it in total for to be kept interest uh to be kept secret in the interest of National Defense or foreign policy they would not give me anything about his case we still to this date don't know exactly why he was being charged and potentially uh with Espionage where they wanted to put him in life in prison but he was a US military personnel these are US military assets we believe the person would have to been an operator or in his position where he was actually the liaison from these spy planes to Upper command where he would have potentially had access to both of these videos and both of the recordings the person that leak these we think would have had an emotional reaction because you see this and you see this plane disappear and you realize they never going to figure out the truth without these videos right and when we look at the videos they're crop the satellite videos cro they crop out the Drone the Drone has the HUD data removed it seems like they were trying to minimize the amount of information they had to give to the public right it's not a spy because you would just give it to China you're not going to post it on the internet right um so it seems like it would been someone who's actually a patriot who wanted the world to know the truth and we find Edward C Linn every single article talks about signals intelligence we had been talking about this is how the assets and the satellites communicate using signals intelligence he has he hits all the right boxes he gets assigned to this vpu2 which is super secret uh spy plane Squadron that he gets ass signed there February 2014 plane goes missing early March 2014 the case against him according to his lawyer which we have a direct quote says the case against them began investigation began April 2nd 2014 Just weeks after the plane goes missing right he gets caught with flight manifests that include search and rescue code names the defense attorney argued that the classified information in question is available on the internet we looked at the appeals the penal codes related to the appeals are consistent with the the uh evidence potentially being videos it's just everything lines up for this guy to be the guy um they they tried to throw the book at him the defense actually argued that the government was being like obfuscating the charges around him and adding a bunch of like prostitution in order to confuse the media and confuse the public um he basically gets bullied while he's in prison um they threw him in pre-trial conf uh uh pre-trial detainment for 646 days they didn't want anyone to talk to this guy and the judge's evidence for that saying that he's this huge risk was just like mundane emails and then the government later on had to admit it wasn't even really a spy case that they actually didn't have any evidence that he exchanged any information with any foreign adversary and you look at all this you go okay this is super weird right and you go and compar to other situations even Espionage situations the government admits exactly what a lot of people did but with this guy they won't say anything about what he did right to me there's basically no chance this isn't the guy that leaked them or he's directly how long is he in how long is how long is he in prison for um he so what happened was he ended up doing a plea deal so the NCIS and FBI basically convinced him that he made this huge Grievous error like he didn't think he did anything wrong and this also is consistent with the videos right because we look at those videos what if he just thought they're UFOs right what if he didn't even know that this is like our technology and then you think about it from that perspective you go oh that's why the video is called satellite video airliner and UFOs because when he leaks it out he thinks he's just leaking out some UFOs zapping the plane but then later on he's getting charged with life in prison and espan he's going dude I didn't do any any of that I wasn't selling stuff to China and they go well that was our locki Martin orbs you don't you just revealed to the whole world right this is our secret weapon and then he goes oh I didn't mean to do that and that's why he signs the plea deal the plea deal means he can never talk again and even with the plead deal so he only I think the only two charges that stuck were the two charges of dissemination of classified information that's and his lawyer says he uh admits to the charges he was actually guilty of all the rest of the stuff was all just right and he admits those two charges for two charges like that if you look at other people they get slaps on the wrist like a year maybe even less in prison he got 9 years and they shaved off 3 years for him working with NCS and FBI and his appeal he even argues that it's completely disproportionate to what other people got does that answer your questions yeah where's well last one last thing where is he now is he out have you yeah he got out probably like a year or year and a half ago um we did reach out to him only one time um you know we we able to I mean it's really easy to find people like where they've lived and and stuff like that called a few phone numbers uh found one that was consistent with where he had been living and um the phone rang and somebody picked up and they hung up right away like click click and I went whoa that's weird because a like somebody if that's the guy has to know that I'm sitting here talking about him everywhere right I had been already talking about him before that for weeks um you wouldn't want to go to voicemail because you don't want me to know that that's his real phone number uh you also don't want to talk to me right because if you say anything you have a plea deal you you might be getting monitored Etc and and I think if you have a plea deal you're going back to prison if you talk about it plus we ignored the videos as well so this is a guy that went into prison for six years right and we ignored the evidence he threw out there he probably never wants to talk about this stuff ever again I don't blame him but so I sent him a couple text messages on that phone number afterwards saying hey I think you're Edward cin my name's Ashen Forbes you can look at my evidence uh you're my hero I would do anything for you I would bring my followers to your Aid I would support you financially anything that you want I just wanted him to know that you know I didn't want to pressure him to come out or anything like that but there's only a few ways these videos can be authenticated him coming out as a whistleblower is one of those ways uh the other ways is that if AO or another government entity looks into the videos and finds out that that's actually a real mq1 C Great Eagle video by comparing to other ones with aerial surveillance package or looking at the sentient siers system and finding out that we do have video playback capability exactly as we've deduced from the video those would be the only ways we can authenticate the videos in my opinion and Shai did you have a followup I saw you trying to talk yeah sorry um okay thank you for all that information that is really fascinating you should um hold more spaces um okay so what I wanted to ask you and sorry I feel like I maybe represent other people who haven't followed this super closely because um I do remember the flight going missing and seeing it on the news and just chatting with people like what do you think happen and that was that right it just disappeared we went to the next story um so what I wanted to ask you in your research who was on the flight or is there anybody that was like significant important and why would they go out of their way to make this flight go missing yep and oh boy was there so and you can again so there's a this is great there's a couple of questions asking about who's on the flight um everybody's super interested about that part so they love this okay yeah great and um and then after we'll go to professor and I think follow the the logo I had your name wrong sorry follow the logo um so the people on the plane interestingly enough there were several conspiracy theories that were out there that actually coincide with what we kind of independently found out as well the idea of it going to Diego Garcia or ending up at Diego Garcia and the other one is the people on the plane there's 20 freescale semiconductor scientists and Engineers on board This Plane they've got this at least cover story or whatever maybe it's a real story there's two different stories out there one of them they were going to upgrade the plants in China and this other one where they were going to a training One weekl Long training program in China but it starts to get really bizarre because 20 people they were all very important people according to the news articles that are out there too many people from one company on board the plane uh Arwin from the investigative team she's done amazing work and she found out all their seating locations most of them are all sitting next to each other except for the ones that for some reason have their families coming with them and they're sitting next to their families but basically all the freescale semiconductor people are sitting next to each other eight of them are Chinese Nationals 12 12 of them are Malaysian Nationals but they work for the American company free scale semiconductors I like to call them fre scale super conductors because when we look at this technology we've been talking about superconductivity being essentially an essential element in order for the orbs to be able to have this gravity field defining field around them this plasma field in addition to potentially even just creating the geodesic like every aspect of this we think requires super conductivity and we found a 2005 National Security Agency report I unb believe we found this that talks about the commercial emergence of superconductive microchips not just superconductive ones but room temperature superconductive ones freescale semiconductors listed nine times throughout this it's basically talking about their microchips non-stop in fact they had just put out a microchip that was so small that it was smaller than a dimple in a golf ball that was like we week before this and the weird part is there's this other conspiracy like this kind of competing conspiracy theory that says like four people from this company were on board the plane and then this patent reverts to the Carlile group or something like that but it turns out none of those people were actually on the plane so it's almost like they threw this fake conspiracy theory out there that was actually correctly tied to the company just to get people to dismiss it out out of hand as opposed to this idea that these people there's way too many people on board This Plane they're all sitting next to each other so they either book those trips together which should have flagged the company uh the whole thing just kind of stinks and if this is an Espionage scenario which is where I'm starting to think that it really is you could imagine these people trying to go to China defect to China bring the IP intellectual property to China and that this is a scenario where the United States is preventing that from happening because whoever controls this technology is definitely going to control the world and you can see that to do a major cover up like this it's got to be more than about just money some people there's another conspiracy theory about it being gold on the plane this is not about money this is about something much bigger than that in my opinion but it might be about money because also the chief executive of one of petron's biggest then acquired oil companies was also meant to be on the plane but didn't actually get on the plane there are two people who are Iranian who actually took passports of Europeans on the plane and there is the biggest world financial scandal with billions at risk at the time that this plane is in the air so Ashton's right there's probably loads decoys the full passenger list is available anybody can look at it but there are some really big hitters meant to have been on that plane yeah Is there videos of people boarding the plane like at the airport I've not seen there was people going through security the Netflix video Netflix is pretty good that shows you loads of passengers with their cell phones getting phone calls and trying they get weird uh phone problems afterwards but I won't go into that cuz that's a rabbit hole yeah there was uh images that came out of the Iranian passengers this is very bizarre there was two Iranians that were on this plane that were using fake stolen passports that they changed their looks they were traveling together Chang their appearance to look like the fake passports there's one of the guys even the real guy was on one of the press conferences holding his real passport going I wasn't on the plane at one of the early press conferences and this was just dismissed within a few days and it's even hard to find some of the articles about it but they've got pictures of them going through security where you can see they look very similar to The People's passwords they stole and that seems very sophisticated to me uh this cover story makes no sense whatsoever for those two guys um supposedly they were going to Beijing but they were trying to flee to Amsterdam and that makes no sense because hey if you're on a stolen passport you want to go through the fewest number of countries possible to get to your final destination and there's a direct flight from Malay from qual lur to Amsterdam you're not flying to Beijing to get to Amsterdam you're not paying tens of thousands of dollars for stolen passports and and international flights like the whole thing just makes no no sense but if this is some kind of Espionage SC related to those free scale semiconductor scientists those people could be some type of Intel operatives or something like that right in terms of making sure this plan goes off without a hitch just a thought um Professor I know you've had your hand up for a while I want to get to you if you're ready wow sir thank you I'm I'm Blown Away first of all um I have to say your analysis skills are absolutely impeccable if I met you 40 years ago you sir would have delivered world peace and I am hoping right now I can fill two parts of your whiteboard and get you to the next Quantum station quite easily my role in life has been delivering information information technology and business change to the energy industry started in the UK and moved to the US part of that was splitting apart transmission and distribution when I came to the US I moved through that over here into retail and then stepped into Aerospace and defense and what do we have there we have a conflict of in interest but we have shared enterprise resource planning Solutions where we have common parts which are in both commercial aircraft and also International traffic at Arms aircraft so there is no way you are going to find pieces with any part numbers on because they're scared that the Chinese might find out or whoever yeah in terms of quantum sir where did we start as a race we started at point B and we got to point C what did we base point B on it was on an alphabet that we created from a bunch of stones and if you look at that alphabet sir you will get it very easily it's illogical and when you understand that we are an electrical frequency atoms that moved from electrical frequency to have form with function and spin up a carbon unit with H2O but unfortunately water doesn't go well with electronics as we see with Samsung appliances so what um our fellow Einstein Hawkings Etc missed was we came from a void v d there's no o there's no I it's zero and one when you get Consciousness C which is what it's knowledge from experience of evolution you can start to move from one carbon you know into a carbon H2O move forward but your objective does not change because we only need hydrogen but what use is that if you cannot use it yeah can you is there yeah I appreciate your insights um is there a specific question related to the plane regard regarding that I mean I I heard the first part definitely the plane is a the plane did crash and you there's no point questioning it what what are you trying to solve wait how do you know it crashed because there were Parts found people saw it if people saw it 19 people they all liars is hold on why do we persist with character okay we're going to just put a pause on that for now so one thing I do want to address here I appreciate the insight for sure um is that they're never going to find the plane or the black boxes because if there's a conspiracy at play here then finding the black boxes would reveal that conspiracy right this is my opinion of course um and yeah regarding the pieces that were found there was the invest the official search that was the largest most expensive in history uh that searched all along the seventh Ark where these satellite pings supposedly say the plane crashed um above and below water didn't find a single piece of the plane plane the the pieces that they found that they tied to the plane were found 3,000 Mi away not by the official investigation or official search but actually by a random person named Blain Gibson he found most of them not all of them uh washed up on the reunion Island and South Africa and Africa region so um I do appreciate that though I I do think that the universe is really um you have to think of it in terms of waves in my opinion um and I don't necessarily believe like all of the electric un at least let's say I'm not decided but I do think that electricity is definitely a key element in terms of understanding the universe in general well Ashen I would Challen I love that you have come to that exact point and so um here's what I would say to you I'm in the exact same position and I'm trying to reconcile you know what the big bang universe versus the electric Universe model and you there are clearly differences right the mechanisms in the big bang universe are nothing more than explosions and gravity right so there's a lot to to pull apart there when when you start to look at what are the mechanisms it creates and and drives all this stuff and which one of these models in we part I'm with you I mean everything in the electric Universe model or Theory can't you know doesn't necessarily have to be true but I do I think it it it's should be included when we when we look at what we think the science is behind all this stuff right because we have to change the way we look at we look at it and this is why I like you too is that I just like to jump in real quick Y no problem hang on second Carter let actually finish what he saying we got hands up um CU here's the thing go I I don't like when people say that they know all the answers right because reality is we should be open-minded and like you said you said this idea of reconciling it right that's what I'm trying to do here as well so a lot of people have different theories right and I think the truth is somewhere in the middle and I don't know exactly how much of each theory is necessarily correct but that's how we get to the truth right we have this a free exchange of ideas where we can try to figure out what makes logical sense right so I appreciate you Shephard okay so and I know we promised logo would be able to talk again so I don't know Shephard I'll let you choose who you want to go here um Carter did you want to add something to that uh specific point quickly or did you want to uh take us in a different direction if you're going to go in a different direction we'll go to the other hands first yep I'll take a uh I'll take a break let someone else go first because this is kind of a spin-off of something that said earlier no worries I saw a couple of you waving your hands wave your hands again if you're ready to speak and you don't have a hand to put up you're at a computer we'll go to blank and then chai go ahead hey guys uh memory whole 370 here I don't have much time to talk but uh I just wanted to say thanks for hosting the space this is actually my first time talking in a space and uh I don't have a question but I wanted to say uh I'm 26 years old Ashton I just learned you were 40 yesterday or maybe even over 40 when I was listening to that alien addict podcast and uh basically uh just wanted to say you know I'd be considered way off the deep end in comparison to you as far as what I believe I don't know if it's because the predictive programming that I've grown up with um but yeah essentially about 10 years ago I had a Dia agent the defense intelligence agency uh not many people know about the DIA it's usually focused on the CIA and the FBI um I had a Dia agent basically break uh or I guess you could say whistleblow to me um as my teacher um he basically told us that he participated in a lot of experiments that were um involving remote viewing and he yeah I just wanted to say that he basically whistle BW all that to me I could go in deeper in a different space but um yeah uh thanks for the space no questions here on to the next one thanks guys y appreciate it memory hole 370 I've seen you out there uh appreciate your insights defense intelligence a agency absolutely that's a real agency I think I Foy them as one of my many many foyers that I put in as well um and I'm not sure who's the one who's has all the cards and who's uh kind of in control but I think that if you go to the Vladimir Putin Tucker Carlson interview that was the other week I think there was a couple key aspects that he are important to this case that I I I felt like Putin was being very forthcoming with information one of them is that the Americans are just as good if not better than propaganda at everybody else and the other one is this idea that it's not the president that has the most power it's these various three-letter agencies behind the scenes and the Shadows that have the most power those are the two major takeways I took away that when you look at this investigation you go yep that lines up exactly what we've been saying and I have a Dia document that Ashton has witnessed and Ashton has used in his YouTube videos I have a Dia a DOD and a CIA document that cover a lot of the technology that we've been talking about in this space the DIA one is particularly relevant to what that last gentleman just talked about okay try and then we'll go to follow the logo yeah for sure um so it's kind of funny hey they love their little three letters us Aid mercenaries of death um anyways um I'll let follow go first but I'm just thinking about this all right sorry can you guys hear me it shows mut got you go for it you're good okay um so I apologize because this is going back a bit the the conversation has meandered a bit but the thing that I wanted to speak about was the fact that the the Spheres that were rotating around the plane in the videos that Ashton's been looking into for some time are actually Ashton you describe them as Sino cdal but in in my visual interpretation of them they're moving in a pidal pattern do you feel like that's a cons consistent description of the way that those are moving because I I have a further comment to make but yeah I think both it can be accurate um they got grafted out early on and they show from a two-dimensional graphical perspective they show a perfect sinyal pattern and the conclusion that I make there is just that we're not looking at be aliens or even humans inside little orbs right that's too perfect it has some kind of remote control or pre-program control right with respect to theal then you'd be looking at threedimensional space which absolutely could be I think it could be interpreted that way the reason I bring that up is because the gentleman you spoke to Bob Greener is uh in my mind an expert or way on the bleeding edge of this topic and um for anyone in this space who happens to have heard of uh Malcolm Bendle Ashton's referred to him multiple times but I it's as soon as I came across across what Malcolm is doing uh for those of you that don't know Malcolm Bendle is a gentleman who has been working on a technology that is essentially you know it's in simplistic terms it's it's making it a more efficient uh internal combustion engine but the reality is is that it's a it's a form of Zero Point Energy so many of you in here have probably heard of Zero Point Energy before um everything that you will discover or uncover from from your own uh your own interest in Zero Point Energy will will unveil to you that uh the toroid is is fundamental the toid is actually a A four-dimensional or a multi-dimensional geometry and this is the geometry in which the orbs were rotating around the plane um it's the key to Zero Point Energy in and of itself and it's the key to reality which is uh reality is if you were to think about it from a geometric perspective it is a uh two counter rotating hemispheres which form a toroid and a toroid is the natural form that a plasma a plasma will take when uh restrained or con uh conducted within an electromagnetic field um it may sound so obscure to to some of you but really the toroid is sacred geometry and sorry sacred geometry Pythagoras yeah well right um it's that's related to trigonometry and of course there were three orbs rotating around the plane not four not two um the the pidal element of this should not be overlooked I I won't try to go into this right now unless asked upon but basically I would encourage everyone here to try to research uh the properties of the toroid what a toid is it's not a three-dimensional geometry it's a multi-dimensional uh geometry and this is very closely related to time and my my if there was one thing I could say to everyone is like I really think we need to start thinking about time differently we need to stop thinking about time as a half linear Dimension which is like an arrow moving forward and only forward um it's not that it is very much uh cyclical and and it's so weird because it's not obvious why that relates to the technology that quote unquote teleported MH370 Diego Garcia but I'm telling you right now it is is um it's it's the way that every uh extraterrestrial spaceship moves between point A to point B it is about tuning into a a specific frequency a frequency which will not only dictate its its place in three-dimensional XYZ coordinates but also in time um time can be thought of you lost I'm sorry you lost me so are you trying to say like what are you trying to say like I'm trying to say that these people were pulled into a different time lapse or something um possibly yeah I think that it's possible that MH370 amongst many other missing flights okay if you look into um groups of flights by the the Navy that have disappeared and then have been recovered in my in like the Everglades of Florida even though the timelines don't match up the idea is that time is an important or a crucial element of the technology being used here okay so we need to start thinking about time almost in a way of like three-dimensionality and the reason I say that is because we live in the three the three dimensions we understand it intuitively so if you start thinking about time that way you can start thinking about the fact that oh like maybe a flight can exist can exist in one time place one time and place and move to another time while still being in the same place and the reason I bring that up is because as I said there are yes there are reports of um military uh Navy flights multiple planes being lost um within the Bermuda Triangle that have been later recovered in uh the Florida Everglades years years and years later there are accounts of flights being lost in the World War II time period that have appeared in modern times it sounds so crazy I understand but we have to broaden our Horizon we have to broaden our Horizons here because time is not a half okay so I think we've got dimens I just I need to we need to be like Landing the plane here guys I I want to make sure this isn't just a soap box for everybody let's let's minimize the stories let's minimize the soapbox uh narrative I appreciate it I appreciate the insights uh the topic here is MH370 and the investigation related to I'm talking about mh37 dropping you I'm I'm talking about that right now okay let's not bring it back up guys sorry um so hop fibration is definitely an element of the uh that is important when we deal with these shapes that we're dealing with and the toroid and if you look up The Hop fibration uh you will see that it is like a four-dimensional kind of toid that collapses in on of itself um and that is potentially important to the technology one thing I want to say as well just to address some of the stuff as well is that um we can't tie everything in the universe together right I think that a lot of people are seeking a level of Enlightenment that gives them answers to everything that there is and the reality is you have to take it piece by piece well the analogy that I give people is you start at the foundation and you work your way up and the foundation needs to be something that's completely based on science and reason right and then you start to build your way PHS exactly and you start to build your way up to the more esoteric aspects and my criticism and I don't not don't disagree with the idea of sacred geometry I think that the S like toroids are absolutely the correct shape as well but when you're talking about uh you know logically explaining these things uh and getting your way up there it's not a matter that okay sure tor's the right shape but we don't have to and try to tie we just have to explain what we see and we say here's what's happing here's the behavior we and then we work backwards in terms of trying to understand it well in in you know my with all of my recent investigations in science you know one of the aspects one of the angles that I've taken away is getting away from the scientism uh that that's out there right trying to explain everything and getting back to the basics of what science is supposed to be and that's explaining what You observe right explain what You observe like be you know break it down like Carter said you know he brought up first principles for sure just simply look at what you you know what what the observations are around the orbs and we got a long way to go we're we're looking for some we're looking for some explanations that make sense all right couple hands up still here so let's go to a new speaker Siri and we'll go to you chai and I think Carter wanted to speak as well he may not have be able to have yeah Carter if you don't have a hand up we I can throw you in there as well sorry I actually gave up my turn all I'm sorry lady uh I will I will wait L are you sure okay thank you um sorry so I oh sorry okay somebody left um I genuinely just wanted to go back to this because I feel like every there's a few people in this space or who've come up and um I think the fact that it like this flight disappeared uh brings up all these like oh what could have happened was it like aliens was it spiritual like and it's like okay great like but can we just hear about what really happened that that you found out that's all I wanted to really so let's let's ground it again real quick and the way I'll do that is I'll talk about what's the evidence This Plane didn't crash into the South Indian noce okay that's the big narrative out there and I agree there's a lot of people that they want to have this explain everything in the universe right and I just want to explain why the plane didn't crash in the South indan Ocean why it wasn't pilot suicide and and how these videos can potentially be authentic um as as opposed to everything else in terms of trying to find all those answers like Shephard said science is just observing reality and then measuring what that observation is um and that's I think how we keep ourselves grounded and uh not kind of like fall into these rabbit holes as people would Des Des cribe them it also opens you up to scrutiny as well when you start to tie everything together because then people will use any of these other individual aspects to discredit you and discredit everything you're saying so plane didn't crash into the South indan Ocean Why number one no debris field found right it's just impossible not find a debris field for a 777 crashing into the ocean it's going to break up into thousands of pieces all the investigators agree that that's how it would have happened and yet no giant debris field found this is why all of the people developed all these alter Splinter theories why Jeff wise thinks the plane went to Russia why Florence aangi thinks the plane was potentially over in Vietnam why Cindy Hendry from the Netflix documentary thinks the plane was shot down it's because they realize you can't just not have a debris field there um but that's also part of the reason why the plane probably wasn't shot down is that if the plane is shot down in the sky the debris field is going to be wider than if it were to crash into the ocean the experts say the plane crashed at 15,000 feet per minute and would have exploded into thousands of pieces um I've already mentioned that the most expensive search in history didn't find a single piece of the plane they didn't find any black boxes even though these black boxes have are rated for depths of up to 20,000 ft the ocean was not too deep to find them uh the black boxes again would prove the conspiracy there's four redundant elt emergency transponders that only activate on Crash and yet none of them did the sosus system which would have heard the Titan sub pop or which did hear the Titan sub Pop um where they lied about it for like 5 days Navy said five days later oh yeah we heard that Titan sub pop and we're going to go pick up the pieces this is is a tiny sub this would have heard the plane crashing into the ocean didn't hear anything Western Australia Diego Garcia they have hydrophones as well that also would have had heard the acoustic detections no acoustic detections consistent with the plane crashing into the ocean they would have pinpointed if it was the case there's multiple Radars uh Thailand Indonesia India uh and Australia's Jordan system all should have seen this plane on radar and none of that data was made publicly available uh Diego Garcia Coco islands and pine Gap are also Advanced military bases that should have had very strong Radars that should be able to track it probably from takeoff to land to quote unquote crashing find nothing supposedly crashes on an active shipping route um but nobody Witnesses it there's nobody who sees the plane out in the South Indian Ocean then some people say well the ocean's really big but these people don't think logically because the pings if these satellite pings are correct which is the only thing putting in the South Indian Ocean we should know exactly where it crashed it should be somewhere along the seventh Arc they searched everywhere there's nowhere else for this plane to go the narrative has it running out of fuel the plane didn't go to Antarctica it didn't even get to Australia there's not even enough fuel for it to get there there's nowhere else for this plane to go so if people come at you and say oh well the plane crashed and we just didn't find it you say well where exactly is it right because if it's not along the seventh Arc that casts doubt as to the satellite pings in general and if the satellite pings are incorrect and this plane literally could be anywhere including Diego Garcia the official search what was the Diego Garcia yeah what's the Diego Garcia connection action okay so I get that just one second um so also 19 families signed a joint statement saying they could call the victim's cell phones and they were ringing for up to 4 days after the plane went missing They begged the government to look into the fact that that was happening to like triangulate they didn't one person even proved that on national television and some social media sites still had some of the passengers being logged in as online on line which you could explain that as way they had logged in on some other computer somewhere right or it could be on their phone now Diego Garcia there's actually some evidence that somehow this plane ended up in Diego Garcia it's pretty weak it's circumstantial but um it's real there is 20 people on a small island I believe it's called kuo Hado I'm probably butchering that in the malds that in the early morning hours like 6 6:15 a.m. in the morning they see a large jumbo jet with a red and white stripe of Malaysian airlines flying low and flying from the West to the South and this is just North of Diego Garcia they were dismissed there's multiple competing theories as to what they quote unquote really saw but we're talking 20 Islanders who do not see jumbo jets flying low that all see this plane um I believe there's a whisper this Richard Godfrey guy claims that this it's some other flight that does this completely illogical route to supposedly they saw um there's another theory that a smaller plane that doesn't have any blue on it at all neither of these theories really make a lot of sense sense the reason why these people were thrown out is because the plane was coming from the wrong direction if the plane was M MH370 it should have been coming from the East but if we have a plane that can teleport somewhere it could be coming from the west and then going south there was also a Philip wood is the only adult American passenger on board This Plane IBM executive on 4chan less I think about a week later or nine days later all of a sudden a post appears on forchan which is one of these Anonymous internet boards that claims to be from Philip wood saying that he's been drugged and held prisoner somewhere he doesn't know where and there's a black picture just all black that gets posted people look at the exf data in the picture and it points to Diego Garcia military base there's also been a Foya that proves that uh Diego Garcia was a CIA black site where they would at least transfer like um some of these terrorist prisoners they would capture from like Iraq or Syria and potentially has a whole holding cell underneath there which could be consistent with that now people say well why would he post on Fortune why would call people we don't know the exact answer you can come up with your own theories as to why but that's the evidence that would point to it being at Diego Garcia including all of the other uh people and investigators and conspiracy theories that pointed at Diego Garcia including Mark Dugan who is a famous French author who supposedly was told to shut up and stop looking into it after he had also concluded that would be the logical place that's also where I conclude is the only logical place because if this plane goes to Russia or something there's going to be tons of Radars that are going to catch it and all of them are not allied with the United States right or whoever hid this plane but if you take it somewhere in the middle of the South Indian Ocean or the middle of the Indian Ocean not South Indian Ocean where there's no Radars around secretive military base I've been told this military base is more secret than Area 51 um that they might be testing the orbs there might even be underground hangers we looked at this place on Google uh video uh Google Earth Pro where you can go back in time on the pictures and at 2014 uh all the planes on the runway just disappear and we found a bunch of dredging contracts for Advanced Construction where you see nothing on the surface change at all my opinion is there's something underground there and that they can potentially even have underground hanger um and this is the perfect place to hide a plane break a plane apart whatever you're going to do we even found that there was no departures 72 hours after March 8th when the plane went missing um and there's a few other weird connections as well including all the flight logs apparently had water damage in June of 2014 just a couple months later and they were all destroyed so a lot of weird stuff in that base yeah you know the weirdest thing that you said right there that really sent signals from me excuse me was the 19 families who said they were calling the cell phones and they were ringing that's wild yeah one of them we've got the video of them proven it on on television as well that's really bizarre and it just it's the whole body of knowledge when you look at all this and you go okay maybe one or two little elements of it you you can dismiss right but when you look at all of it like this you go this just points to it not crashing in the ocean right like something else happened here and that's why it's like you look at the videos and you go this is so hard to believe but you go why do the videos tell a story that makes more sense when you take the whole body of knowledge of all the evidence and put it together yeah that's wild okay we got a couple hands Siri and then Carter and then Xander and Ashton I want to be respectful of time we're coming up on a couple hours you let me know yeah probably maybe 20 30 more minutes or so I'm still good for now 20 let's just stick with that I know there's a lot of people here too that are new to the case and I I appreciate you guys who are new to the case as well and like I said you can uh go to my pin tweet and find the evidence that I'm actually reading off on my stream right now if you want to know more about it um I've also done a bunch of interviews like so you can watch any of those podcast interviews there's so much evidence though that on one particular podcast you usually can't get through all all of it so checking out the evidence list is is your best bet okay Siri go ahead bud um so I wouldn't talk about know the there are one princip what we all should uh remember it's a comma blade it's like you know when you're sitting somewhere and when you're hearing that in another room breaking some plate it's not FAL Gaz it's one person but it's wind yeah it's uh almost you know impossible but uh it's WIS so with aliens we must remember that they are uh can live only in six light years so they can uh can't pass this uh path like uh by be uh by biological life only like you know minerals can come to us from from another space system so answer about why that plan is lost is uh simple is uh uh flight you know poters which can collect information from different countries but every country is important to uh have speculations about U because I'm not following modern countries uh have uh such a modern you know F copters helicopters which can do like we see even they uh can see some uh some helicop some civil helicopters so uh in this point we uh can understand that uh El is uh exist and you will see a proof of this of this uh if you will watch on not photos of aliens um sir I'm having a hard time understanding what you're saying can can you just kind of get to the question that you're going to ask because I I don't want to I'm apologize guys but it's not the time for a bunch of Stories We just want to get some questions and get to the next hand we got a lot of hands up yeah so uh what kind of aliens do you think could exist if you think they could yeah so he said what kind of other St honestly I I'm not sure when it comes to that kind of thing uh if you got want to know my true opinion um you know I'm not sure if we're dealing with aliens in general I think that my opinion if there is a visitation or non Intelligence on this planet that um the ultraterrestrial hypothesis is one I like just because of this idea idea that we have not searched much of the ocean in general but what I will say is that if these videos are true and accurate and you can make a plane go at Super luminal speeds through macroscopic phase conjugation then this opens the door up to what you were saying about you know being visiting us from other stars they're light years away because now that travel time goes from hundreds of years down to potentially very very short periods of time right so that's the nice thing about this if you're somebody that believes that we've got other races visiting us Etc is that this opens the door to that and one last thing I want to say about it is that um actually Dave Rossy who is again one of my friends who's an engineer he he broached the idea of if we were to turn up ligo which is out there looking for gravitational waves where neutron stars are colliding and seeing these huge gravitational waves if we were to turn that sensitivity up and if these craft are flying using some type of gravitational manipulation like creating a bubble around them it's possible we might detect all these crafts flying around all over the place in outer space they just potentially needs to be more sensitive and I like that idea because you've got this seti program that's been looking for radio signals and Communications out there right but it hasn't really be borne any fruit and what if the reason for that isn't that they're NE covering it up but that we're just not looking for the right signatures maybe what we really need to be looking for is small gravitational waves that are being produced by crafts that can do similar to what we see in the MH370 videos I hope that answers your question awesome Carter you're up thank you guys for the platform I'll be very brief um thank you for everyone sharing the what the where and the why but I'd like to take a take a quick second to investigate the why um when we see an event like a MH370 or a world trade sour 7 where hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars are lost and lives are taken at the at the wi of a hat we can automatically rule out was this for money was this for profit because that immediately voids itself then you'd have to think okay why did this happened is it some sort of manipulation or control if you look at the world government structure how how the intelligence agency intelligence agencies and the world banks are handin hand and the the powers that be that make these events happen you'd have to immediately rule out the oh I think we lost him so I I'll just kind of since he looks like he disconnected I'll kind of address some of that as the why you know and I think that this is the part where I'll bring up a very weird letter to me that appeared on YouTube it's called you can Google it right now if you want I believe it's called Diego Garcia whistleblower a letter to Ashton Forbes it's uh voiced in an AI voice but we don't think that it was produced by AI it seems like it's a pretty original and creative uh writing uh that goes into it and it presents this idea of Espionage and claiming that most of the problems in the world are because of for political reasons for conflicts between nations and things like that in general and that's what I truly I'm starting to think that that's actually the most powerful narrative here at play is this idea that you've got these freescale semiconductor scientists defecting they're going to China they're bringing intellectual property with them because if this technology is real this is you know who Whoever has this is It's game over you win right and then at that point if you're the who has it you want to prevent everybody else from getting access to it for as long as possible eventually the people other people are going to figure it out right but you want to have that access as long as possible it's like having you know the only one who has nuclear weapons right but this is magnitudes magnitudes more impactful than that and there's more uh capabilities as well you know you have this teleportation you have uh total Destruction of a planet potentially being possible as well as free energy all these things are have huge socioeconomic and geopolitical impacts right so that's why when I look at all of this and you take that body of evidence and you say okay this seems crazy but these these videos seem to make the most sense compared to other stories as crazy as that sounds then the Y is got to be for some major geopolitical uh type reason right and the reason also then why they wouldn't be revealing this technology is for that same reason it's potentially classified higher than top secret higher than nuclear weapons are classified and the total impact right if you're somebody like who thinks there's like kind of a ruling Elite group of people that make most of the decisions in the world these are people who know about this stuff that are profiting off of it they're making sure they're the ones who are invested in the companies that have it um Etc and if you want like just as a basic company if you think well this could impact the markets right you know this is what I thought early on I went well if we have room temperature superconductivity and microchips like that then I want to be looking at semiconductor stocks right companies are quotequote semiconductors because if they've actually got super conductivity these companies are the future in my opinion this is not investment advice but I did personally invest in some of these companies because I figured that makes sense and I looked at the Historical uh markets for them and they've gone up a lot in in many of the pre recent years which you know last thing I would say is that again in my opinion and this isn't this is not investment advice is that I like to have my money where these Elite people put their money right because that's where I feel like it's the safest if all of this kind of stuff is true yeah I think uh any technologies that our billionaires building bunkers are investing in right now is probably a good idea they probably have a leg up yeah they got they know something we don't right what's yeah they they know something we don't that's for damn sure go ahead Xander nice yeah so Ashton you've spent some time I think you've dealt with the like quote unquote debunkers and Skeptics pretty well I'm curious what you think of some of of these uh um Pro narrative um figures going around like there's one whist quote unquote whistleblower that did an interview with Michael Salah about Diego Garcia and he said some wild things about it as well as there was one person I think it was on LinkedIn or was it Twitter who claimed he got phone calls about coordinates about the blackbox and then got harassed by the Malaysian government so I'm just curious are there any like pro- narrative people that might be poisoning the well or are they on to something I'm just curious if you've heard these stories and what you think about him yeah I've heard a couple so I think that there's some stuff out there where the further away from when the plane went missing the less credibility I give anything so there's the 2018 Twitter cryptic message somebody got um I don't think there's any connection there at all to the case I don't think people are sewing intentional disinformation some people probably just doing for attention or whatever the case may be but there's doesn't seem to be any ties to the evidence and the facts related to the investigation regarding that um there's also some stuff people look at some stuff stuff that's like remote viewing stuff and there is some stuff that is somewhat similar related to that but you have to be very careful when it comes to anything when you're broaching on esoteric aspects like psychic readings and things like that um because you can interpret those things in a lot of different ways um but so far you know I haven't seen anything that is very compelling or comp comping enough from either of those elements to uh tie them to the case and I've gone on record many times to say that I wouldn't be tying anything regarding psychic uh powers or remote viewing to the case no matter what um just because of the nature of it in general and there are people I'm not saying that there people that are in this case are doing it but there are people that do lie and and cheat and steal people and and use them use their uh good faith in those types of things to enrich themselves and I I don't want to be any part of that awesome any more questions yeah go ahead blank go ahead just jumping back in to say uh yeah that's you know the reason I'm here is because we're really focusing on the science and making that uh that connection the science and the technology and without that I wouldn't really be paying attention to this case at all um I know Ashton has said before that he sometimes wishes he did even he wasn't even the one leading this investigation but we're definitely all happy he is because that's what he focuses on so yeah I appreciate you man yeah and you know I think that anybody could do this doesn't require any uh superpowers in general and I hope that there are more open crowdsource investigations like this going forward into anything else that's mysterious or we feel like we're being lied to that's out there and I do many times I've also said that I wish in these videos we didn't see orbs circling around the plane and disappearing it because I think that if those aspects weren't in these videos no one would even question the legitimacy of them that's how that's how much I think there's a cognitive block for people that look at the videos and you see it all the time not just mostly from Skeptics right but even people that aren't necessarily Skeptics that they look at they go no that's just impossible right and therefore they base their entire opinion on the idea that it must be impossible and then they're looking for an excuse some sort of confirmation bias in order to rule it out and a lot of times they don't even have logical arguments they just they won't even entertain the argument because it seems so impossible and that's why I think the science aspect is so important and there's many of you like blank out there that and myself that I think to me that's the most interesting aspect is there's this huge scientific aspect that checks out from a theoretical physics perspective it's not a matter of breaking the laws of physics or needing new physics it's a matter of Simply either rediscovering the physics that's already been out there stuff like scalar potential scalar waves um evanescent waves um or bending the laws of physics and there we're talking about stuff like not the plane moving moving faster than the speed of light but actually they're being moving the space around the plane right and making a bubble around the plane um and there's a significant difference there and the same idea of we're not breaking the laws of thermodynamics we're simply opening the system up like opening Pac-Man's mouth to now allow us to borrow the energy from the latent energy of SpaceTime itself in order to then get more energy out than we are locally putting in and when you think about those types of elements and think about that and at the end of the day what does that require for that to be real it really requires that there's an underlining framework to our universe that we are not perceiving from our local reality you can call that an extra Dimension if you want I like to call it the underlying Matrix because the Matrix movie in my opinion hits the nail and the head with a lot of aspects around this including the NPCs and people that aren't awake right um but you can call it whatever you want some people also call it the ather um you know a lot of different terms for it the last thing I'll say on that is that the terminology we use matters it shouldn't have to matter because at the end end of the day like Shephard was saying science is a matter of just observing what's happening and then trying to understand it and explain it but a lot of people check out when you use certain terms if you start talking about The Ether right people go oh this person's in the woo right or if I start talking about uh um portals you know a lot of people check out on that but if you start talking about macroscopic phase conjugation and using specific scientific terms or phase Transitions and things like that now you start to open yourself up to where these people who might be Skeptics that are knowledgeable about physics go wait a minute that that's a real physics term that's let me look into that a little bit right um so that's just a little bit of advice I have for the people that are out there and once again I just want to say too that I I do not uh ever make fun of anyone else for anything they ever believe right um and I don't know all the answers to the universe that are out there but I do think that we should take things chunk by chunk and not try to connect everything else that's out there and try to understand it all at once we can get to over overall understanding by taking it piece by piece and building our house from the bottom up so Shephard do you have any other thoughts or anybody else yeah yeah let me just we can probably wrap up here we don't have any hands it's probably a good point let me just add uh like when I see the video I see the video of the orbs around the plane and then I hear about the lithium ion batteries it and I look at the video of the orbs and each of the orbs you can see they're bipolar right they're two poles to the orb there's a there's a dark spot and there's a bright spot right that's a difference obviously it's temperature based or something right there's real physics going on there right that's the universe that we live in right every planet has a bipole the the sun is connected to all of our planets uh via these these types of currents and um I'm I'm just excited to find out what you're going to learn along the way with this I want to definitely check back in with you um I'm more of a subscriber to the electric Universe not that I completely understand it but that I want to use it to kind of claw back at you know what I understand about gravity and and uh you know some of the the laws of of physics it don't aren't necessarily probably complete Concepts at this point I think that uh we live we live in special times we're on X we're we're in this element of global Consciousness where we're all learning from each other and across the planet and things are becoming more and more true so uh hey man I'm excited for you wherever you take this it was really interesting to find out that you know you're going to move on on to the science aspect of it and quit dealing so much with all of the you know the uh the naysayers and the debunkers and all that crap I'm sure it's exhausting so uh what do you want to leave us with to to kind of wrap up yeah so um yeah maybe I'll Dr a little bit of the stuff that's been out there um you know I did talk to uh several major podcasters there's a lot of disinformation out there you gotta be careful it doesn't come directly from me you shouldn't probably take it at at Word of Mouth um but I I did have Joe reached out to me that was this big drama that was going on this last week and he ended up backing out because of some of the debunkers and some of the stuff that they had put out there and that's you know totally his imperative he can do whatever he wants um but I I do think that over time this evidence uh and this science specifically uh will start to get to proven to be true as more and more leaks out to the public sphere as our scientific uh understanding in the public realm um starts to get more closely aligned with the science that's being suppressed from us and I think that at the end of day this kind of stuff will um you know will be Vindicated in terms of what we've been talking about here today and that's why I'm moving into the scientific side of it is that I find that exciting like um Shephard was saying you know like I don't know if it's more of the electric Universe side or more of really trying to just better understand the Newtonian and Einstein physics um but that's what I want to learn and that's what I think is exciting if you guys want to know what would be like the next thing scientifically that's coming out in my opinion it's probably going to be uh room temperature superc conduct AC ity potentially both from metam materials like lk99 or other substances as well as the idea that we can induce superc conductivity room temperature super conductivity um just through electrical means and magnetic uh forces and when that stuff comes out just that alone will change everything about the way we live our lives on a daily basis and that will start to unlock some of this other stuff the very last thing I'll say is that this is not a situation where you can have one thing or the other when it comes to the science is that this is a Pandora's Box that when this science starts to get authenticated the whole Pandora's Box is going to open up and all it's going to come flooding out at once and in my opinion that's what explains why it's been suppressed is that you would think well I'll just give us the medical healing just give us the free energy right but no what comes along with that is that individuals might be able to develop weapons that are well beyond nuclear weapons that are very destructive very scary and we have to have uh framework for how we prevent that type of thing from happening uh chai did you have a last thought for us or question I did have a last question sorry um Ashton I don't know if I missed this but did you um go over your uh basic analysis of uh what you think happened because you had mentioned that there was these like superconductor company on the flight um so my question is basically like why didn't they just crash the plane or like why would they have to make it go missing like do you think that that was like them just experimenting some new technology or something like like what is your uh basically like what is your conclusion After All This research I mean so once you find out about the fire scenario that's when you immediately start to think oh well they're rescuing the plane right because this plane's doomed if it's on fire if it tries to land in the ocean it's going to break apart everybody's going to drown or die from the impact um so very briefly what I'll say and I guess this is a good thing to close it is that so this plane takes off at 1630 UTC it's going to Beijing it goes dark about 40 minutes later over the South China Sea which is east of Malaysia and Thailand this is where you have Mike McKay see the plane on fire this is where you have nine Witnesses along the coast hear loud noises this is where we believe the the lithium ion battery is exploded this is where the plane goes dark the plane turns back around 10 minutes later when it's turning going towards panang the closest airport it can go to to land uh that has a long enough Runway um there's a communication with another 777 pilot that didn't want to be named that said that they heard the pilot and the co-pilot with a bunch of static there's also then eight fishermen on a boat who see the plane flying low this is also going to be consistent with them battling the fire depressurizing the plane in order to allow enough oxygen for the passengers to breathe because the fire extinguishing devices are sucking the oxygen out of the plane and then the plane gets to panang doesn't land for whatever reason the co-pilot cell phone pings a cell tower meaning it had to be flying really low potentially under 7,000 ft in order for it to Ping um then it goes out to the uh nicobar islands and so now this is a situation again where this plane is doomed whatever it is if it couldn't land on the uh on the land then there's it's pretty much a doomed situation at that point from talking to pilots and it would have been a judgment call so there are cop tiger and Cobra gold exercises that were going on between the United States and Thailand uh actually the theme of the cop tiger exercises were search and rescue they would have had some of their most advanced equipment there they potentially even had communication and rued uh or were potentially rending we don't know but if so those Communications would have been classified and that's why we would not know about them and we would we would think that the last communication was the good night MH370 one um but they potentially from looking at the videos and Katherine T's citing they were potentially planning a landing in the ocean right there near potentially these military uh assets so the pilots may not even have known they were about to get orbed but definitely my opinion since the plane was doomed you don't need to destroy the plane right you can just let it crash at that point so this is where the motive is probably either Espionage where you're preventing these people from going to China and you're taking them or you're trying to save your own people or another theory of there being like a VIP on board This Plane that's so important and very connected because as we've come to realize here there's this Elite group of people that potentially control the world maybe one of these people is very connected on board this plane and they called in the rescue me button hard to say we we can't say for sure there's also this element which I think is unlikely that they're just testing this out on the plane you don't need to test it out on 239 people though right you would just test it out on a plane that doesn't have anybody on it or what have you so uh I leave it to you guys to come up with your own opinions on what you think happened my goal from the beginning was simply to find and dig through all the evidence and uh present that evidence to the world not behind any pay walls um not with any uh you know announcements for announcements or koi things about wait till next week and I reveal the next piece of information right just as it comes on in and I think that we've accomplished that goal so uh I never would have thought we would find this much evidence uh never in a million years would I have thought that never in a million years would I have thought that all the science in those videos would be checking out and that people would be coming to me talking to me saying that oh your speculations of harmonic superconductive orbs are are spot on the money right and that's just more of the reason why I think it's all legitimate just from my own personal frame of reference regarding this and I see some a lot of familiar faces in the chat including people like Shai Keenan who's a visual effects expert herself one of the first people that I was talking to where she helped me understand part of the reasons why this would be very difficult not impossible but very difficult to fake from a visual effects perspective as well and I think that if you listen to people anyone who says they know all the answers doesn't any of the people that says stuff would be easy to do usually it's not you should be skeptical of people that come out with bold claims that don't have the evidentiary support behind them and come to your own conclusions that's what I would leave everybody here with tonight ashon it was awesome thank you so very much really look forward to everything you're doing you are GNA end up in Joe Rogan it's gonna happen I got you first one of the very lucky few so I appreciate that and uh we'll check in with you some more so thank you so much for joining us everybody Ashton thank you good luck to everything you're doing we'll be paying attention thank you sir have a good night okay chat that was fun that was a pretty awesome space Shepherd Of Truth is smart guy man really smart guy he knows Diamond so you got to assume he's going to be smart we were in another different space with him earlier this week uh about the Palestine Israel conflict and they were very knowledgeable about the situation I was surprised I mean I've lived overseas so I have a pretty good detector when it comes to people that are knowledgeable about geopolitics and stuff like that because generally people that haven't lived overseas and seen how other people live don't really understand how different it is from the United States um and he definitely does so I think this was a good one guys do you have any last questions before we close it out I think we hit most of the points on my list I don't think we missed very much there's only a couple detractors um and people that were kind of going onto their own stuff I think we got all of it though pretty much yeah I think it's interesting there's some people that say why is this MH 370 which is like the least controversial aspect of those videos like they were tagged MH370 it's a perfect silhouette it's clearly a 77700 the time frame makes it so that it has to be MH370 um it it's pretty bizarre how some people come up some of that stuff but um I got to take a break guys uh I'm going to close out this stream for now and uh we'll see if if I do log in again it's probably not going to be till a little bit later tonight and then we can look at some science uh but I got to take a little break do some other stuff uh edit some more podcasts but thank you guys for being here today and I'll hit you up later if you're not in the Discord um we can get a Discord invite out to you in fact I'll post a Discord invite in the chat for anybody else who wants to join I'm just going to make it like the first let's say 10 people um so if you're not in Discord you want to join go ahead that's the easiest way to find out if I'm online otherwise go ahead and subscribe and set your notifications and then you'll find it out appreciate you guys I'll talk to you guys l