MH370x - Investigation & Jesse Michels/Martin Shkreli Space 12/10/23

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# MH370x - Investigation & Jesse Michels/Martin Shkreli Space 12/10/23 hey everybody what's up whoa whoa hey everybody how's it going hello to the uh Nut Job stalkers on Reddit who are watching because they are completely obsessed with me oh hey Bernie sorry man I'm 100 emails behind at the moment um I'll reply to you tonight man uh where's my oh this is it here I'll make sure I got that up as you can imagine it's been busy man but I will get you um a lot of people want to talk to me still pretty amazing uh Bernie where's the here it is here's the email yeah Bernie we'll talk um man I'm pretty full dude I'm pretty full lost frequency qu podcast nice dude yeah lost frequency you can send me an email if you want um reality is looking at my look at my calendar like I I'm booked like pretty much all the way to Christmas I'm not trying I'm trying to take a couple days off from podcast as well so it's going to be tough but you can send me an email uh if anyone wants to email me you can email me at MH370 xpron um most recent updates I was just sent two videos of interviews with uh Jonas Dior dioro whatever his name is and it turns out that he is actually a VFX expert who actually uh is very good with manipulating clouds it turns turns out which now I'm really questioning to what's going on now with this why are all the people who are involved in finding these cloud pictures VFX experts that are familiar with the corridor crew something is not right here at all guys something is not right should we watch the videos together I want to see what he says here so actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the photo manipulation expert he's a photo manipul ation expert who is expert at manipulating clouds beginning because I didn't know how to utilize digital painting or I didn't actually didn't even know digital painting really existed very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the okay guys I'm starting to get really suspicious of this guy now now I'm starting to get really suspicious of this guy one more time for yeah I'm going to have to clip this to digital was a little bit awkward for me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning okay hello clipping hello going to clip that one up folks going to clip that one so part of the reason why you don't do pranks and hoaxes on people is because then the world looks into your background and then they find out stuff like about you which completely discredits you in my opinion this clip alone completely discredits this guy he needs to delete his video immediately he needs to delete his video immediately he's Associated website owner knows the corridor crew can manipulate clouds has a background of manipulating photos and doesn't want to take the money because he doesn't want to have to sign an affidavit so Jonas if you're watching you've completely discredited yourself please do the right thing and delete your video video please do the right thing and delete your video the fact that you're dodging all questions right now as well is not a good look man people are asking you questions about these images that we can't find and you're dodging them on Twitter why am I getting posts that I'm about to show right now why are you making posts like this on Twitter sorry there's too much toxicity for me to keep engaging the topic I did what I could yeah you shared a video that you should never have created because from an anonymous email this is not how people who have nothing to hide act this is not how people have nothing to hide ACT people have nothing to hide act the way that I'm acting where you make yourself fully available to everyone all the time none of this is adding up we why can't we find these images on Torrance that have all of the images all from CG textures.com and we can't find your images out there anyway I'm going to clip this thing of you saying that you heavily manip you heavily relied on photo manipulation to digital was a little bit awkward for me um so actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I did heavily relied on photo manipulation wow just wow how is it that everybody is finding this stuff or all VFX experts that are experts at photo manipulation I mean I trusted this guy but I'm just getting the weirdest vibes from this guy and he had all his stuff ready to go for like why he was on this flight from 10 years ago and his passport like okay I I mean I don't want to like destroy this guy's credibility it was not my intention in this but he's now dodging questions he won't delete this video that he made where he has no reason no reason whatsoever to get involved in this just because you took the pictures doesn't mean you need to make a debunk video you should simply just send the pictures over to somebody else yeah those martinis definitely hit me a little hard yesterday so let's go ahead and clip this make sure we got a good clip of this I didn't want to come after this guy I really really didn't but something isn't adding up here guys there it goes okay let's see so actually very heavily relied on um photo we didn't get the right clip Jesus okay I guess we need a couple more seconds seconds well thank god kim.com thinks he's legit I want to be clear I have nothing against kim.com but uh I got to go with my own feelings on this one man me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I didn't I think I wanted a little bit better than that let's cut off one second from here there let's try this out I just can't believe there's a clip that says he heavily relied on photo manipulation and I have people telling me not to trust this guy and stuff like that people that are saying they know stuff like I don't know man I don't know who to believe what to trust anymore even kim.com telling me we should give it up like what explain to me why they're where the plane is man let's dra more time so actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning well that should be good enough I don't know if that's hopefully that'll post correctly on uh Twitter where it's going to go where it's going to go I'm going to save these just in case I need these later these links okay wow yeah people are fighting back man I didn't find this directly other people found it just a heads up oh I didn't even I wasn't even showing it I mean you you guys heard it though let me switch over to full screen view it' be funny if I just showed DMS right there know how to close that there apparently another one as well where he talks about how he's a cloud manipulation expert it's two and a half hours though so I don't know if we're going to be able to dig through it somewhere in this interview of 2 hours and 30 minutes he manipulates clouds as well let's see if we can find it just looking through so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning jeez man that is a that's a brutal clip folks so actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning guys the guy who who's making videos to debunk is relying on photo manipulation he's a photo manipulation expert I'm going to send this to kim.com I'm not even going to put it react I'm just going to send him the video I just want to see what he says if he responds I don't think kim.com is going to respond to me ever again but that's fine I just don't really care hopefully that will even add more credibility to the fact that I don't care what people think about me at all yeah let's see what we got going on here where does he do the clouds I guess sort of a vignetting so you are merging the layers uh pretty often when you have uh some complicated scene and uh there's something that you have to add and um 2D animation so not 3D and um I was doing the backgrounds for my animation film and um I was just like oh this is taking so long I wish there was a way to do stuff faster than just drawing it because in that time I had no idea but I did not know what concept art was I did not know what textures were W he's a talented nowadays guys that he's a talented expert at my age that I had back then know all this stuff I didn't know any of that stuff and I think through some blog by accident I found out about CG textures and so I went on the site and I was like you think that there's context that's going to make that sound good dude literally says that he relies on photo manipulation what what context could make that sound good Adam wow what's this you know all these I'll I'll literally post the whole the thing I don't give a crap of interesting stuff that I can use um and you know like I started playing around with it and trying oh the redditors are here and they're angry they're angry that they're hey if you guys think it's debunks go away I think that if somebody can be discredited this easy easily and that they have a literal background in the thing that we're thinking might have happened that is perfectly reasonable he can answer for himself the fact that he's running away from all questions right now does not look good the fact that he hasn't deleted his video yet looks extremely suspicious why is this Jonas random guy who just was notified about the case making 20 minute videos like this about the pictures why is he doing that right afterwards walk me through that if I'm the person somebody messages me and they're like hey there's this super controversial thing that we're trying to debunk here we found some of your pictures the last thing in the world I'm going to do is get directly involved that's the last thing I'm going to do I would literally go I need to know what's going on here I don't want to get tricked into this something I would say hey here's the pictures you guys go do it yourself right that's what I that's what what a normal person would do that's what a normal person would do a person who has expertise in manipulating photos and updating clouds sort of pretty weird blended into um my background so like wow this is going to be a massive time saer which it was and um back then there was still a forum on the on the website and so I went into the forum and and I said like oh wow it's really great and stuff to the things that you guys do here um but would you have any pictures of pipes I was looking for pictures of um of like industrial pipes and the guy who owns the website Marcel who's now a good friend of mine he went that's the guy he just mentioned the guy as his good friend as well that owns the website also yeah we need third party collaboration we can't trust the skyp period here he is here here's him adding the images of the clouds highlights there there's only highlights in you you know this angle from the Sun whatever you know like mhm I think it's also about you know just moving uh away from your comfort zone and trying to to be better in with your with your weaknesses and trying to fix them and trying to develop your skills in the way you feel that you are not that good yeah and after you folks oh folks this is huge holy we got videos of this guy literally manipulating clouds and P in images and him and being a photo of manipulation expert you will just yeah Jonas buddy you're in trouble Man Jonas if you're out there watching you need to make a statement and you need to delete your video ASAP otherwise I'm going to have to come out saying that it's very possible that you manipulate the photos yourself this is really weird man this is beyond weird why would this guy be getting directly involved in this and Jonas I'm just going to tell you straight up man if anyone finds out that you for some reason manipulated the pictures in any way at this point and put out a fraudulent video you're going to get sued for everything that you have in the rest of your life man this is wild man it's about this setting up everything ER everything needs to to to fit holy smokes man okay where could we I did not think so for the record I didn't find this other people have been sending this stuff to me because when you put yourself out like there like that people dig into your background they find all the dirt on you right and I've been nice to this guy and I've been messaging him about this weird sketchy stuff coming up and how the fact we can't find find any of the Stu any of the pictures and he hasn't been responding so if he wants to do the right thing and make this stuff go away he should have deleted his video yesterday should have deleted his video yesterday now I'm just trying to think like do I just expose him completely with your with your weaknesses so I think and trying to fix them and trying to uh develop your this is more evidence than I could have ever hoped for for potentially considering that this guy faked the pictures I wasn't even looking for this I wanted to think this guy's legit but the reality is the story doesn't add up for these pictures being faked we already proved that it's that the picture the clouds are moving naturally so I don't know what's going on here I don't want to ruin someone's life but this is sketchy one of the only questions I asked him cuz I was sitting there talking to him I just thought like okay this is just weird how this is all going on right and then I said do you know the corridor crew and he goes yeah I've known them for 15 years I don't think he necessarily knew like I don't know if he knows them personally but the fact that he was just immediately aware and then I'm like well did you watch the have you watched a recent the video of though no no no I haven't been I haven't been watching recently or something like pretty weird man yeah I mean if he's a liar he's a really really good one is what I'll say if he's a liar he's a really really good one I mean the thing here's the reality about a poker players guys and telling if somebody's a liar no one ever can know 100% that's the reality that's the reality you can never know 100% of somebody's lying if you could then people would be able to win poker all the time right some people are really good liars now I'm not saying that Jonas definitely is a liar but this evidence is very very questionable very very questionable why are we finding images of him manipulating clouds and claiming that he is a expert at manipulation of photos why is this the guy that is coming out why is he making videos debunking the the videos and when when I talk to him why is he talking about how he knows it's a hoax and how like he thinks it's hurting the families like that's stuff that's not somebody who doesn't know about the case would say that's stuff where like they're invested right this is weird man yeah I mean you Dr voodo you might be right man because I'm too trusy and I don't know maybe maybe man how come I can't T get this I can't put numbers in here to clip this I want to clip this scene right here what was this one hour materials are all there so you just 1 hour 15 your skills in in the way you you still feel that you are not that good yeah and after that's the one guys can I trust any woman in my DMs period for the rest of my life your skills and in the way you you still feel that you then not that good yeah and after you you will just it's about this setting up everything uh everything needs to to to fit uh to be to create a good picture because if if there is something that pop out and looks you know pretty not on the same level that the rest of the picture it's it just shows you that's not something's going wrong and you have to you have to fix it because the the picture you have to fix it because the the picture even if some parts are amazing and uh let's see what else he says here even if some parts are amazing and one fundamental stuff is I want see if he say anything more criminating here or or just uh not pointed accurately you you will see that the picture is is is not going to be that good as it has the potential so yeah yeah that's that's exactly right that's what I was saying before yeah yeah but also don't you know don't be obsessed about studying all the time I mean I'm that type of person wow I wonder what else is out there with this guy holy crap hey plun you're never going to post again have a great day so for the um mentally unwell redditors who are in the Stream who I know you guys are out there take your own advice and move on with your life don't be obsessed with me your obsession with me is borderline clinically unwell and I'm just telling you this uh I don't know why you guys are so obsessed but you need to get over me I'm not going to ever date you I'm never going to go on a date with you and take you out on a nice dinner and have a long conversation right um so you know just get over it guys no matter how much you hate the fact that we're looking into this case you have no control over the situation and you never will no matter what the more that you try to rage about it and rage about me and make up fake stuff about me whatever the more it's going to keep going it's literal psychotic Nut Job sociopathic Behavior just please grow up please I'm begging you for all of you redditor brains out there grow up get out of your parents basement go outside you know do something like a normal human being anyway okay yeah we're not going to address them anymore but I just wanted to you know talk to them for just a second because there was definitely a lot of these like nut jobs who are in watching here like raging seething on keyboards you know so you got to people definitely need to uh unplug the internet every once in a while okay cool um let me see if we got that clip worked and trying to to be better in with your with your weaknesses and trying to fix them and trying to uh develop your skills in in the way you you still feel that you are not that good yeah and after you you will just it's about this setting up everything uh everything needs to to to fit uh to be to create a good picture because if if there is something that pop out and looks you know pretty not on the same level that the rest of the picture it's it just shows there not something going wrong and wow what a clip holy crap guys what a clip oh boy I'm not one to take people down but whoa whoa so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I didn't wow thanks a lot flat times for the uh donation appreciate it man wow hey nice good job on the job interview fbw th6 appreciate you appreciate you man the Mena guy was hilarious yeah dude the men guy yesterday I remember he was saying that me 1 1600 planes crash per year [Music] boy man I mean I'm just telling you man Jonas definitely should be deleting his video definitely should be deleting his video that's just friendly advice people like why would he delete the video like dude well that's why you want the attention to stop man like then you should disconnect yourself from the situation right reality is like I don't know what's going on man I don't I really don't know what's going on I feel like we're in the middle of something that's very very huge and people are desperate to make this go away absolutely desperate to make this go away that's that's what it feels like is that the people out there are desperate to make this go away they will do anything to make it go away because this is the largest conspiracy in the history of the world right and uh yeah I mean the reality is we can't really blindly trust anyone man we really just can't we can't even blindly trust kim.com um you know even though I he took a huge leap of faith by putting that $100,000 Bounty out there but then when he comes back and tries to get us to stop looking into the case I mean it it it takes away from his credibility the reality is I'm never going to waiver again on this we we're just not going to stop until we get get them to admit the truth the government needs to admit the truth I I don't care about being killed guys I don't care I don't care at all I got over that a long time ago that would be a very desperate play that would incriminate them in What's Happening Here the only way they could pull it off is if they try to make it seem like some psychopath like one of these redditor nut jobs like attacked me like that would be like the way for them to try to pull it off they'd have to get one of these people who's like mentally unwell on Reddit convince them that like taking me outs the right way and have them come and find me you know yeah like where's the plane where are the people why is all the science checkout you know that's the reality and if it's fake the government should be able to come out and make a claim right this is we've had hundreds of millions of views hundreds of millions I've had over 100 million views myself so where's the where's the where's the government coming out and saying it's fake shouldn't they be able to say that these videos are not pictures of their stuff right the next time I see a I'm just going to tell you guys right now what we're going to do with that clip I'm not going to just push that push that clip out right now because I don't really want to start the attack against um Jonah Jonas the next time I see a community note on any of my content that links to his video I'm going to post those those videos that's what we're going to do the next time so if you're a community notter you're a redditor out there who can't wait to community note my content with uh his video then you are going to be the one who's responsible for everybody coming after him cu the moment I post those videos people are going to be going after him big time and once again I don't want anything bad to happen to him but that's pretty damn wild man maybe different story if like there wasn't other weird stuff going on with this but there is guys I don't know how this works guys I don't know how social media Works how do I go to chats wait how do I go to chats oh my God that's a dog okay I don't think I'm getting honey potted but who knows man who knows guys how does this work does anyone know how Snapchat works you guys can't see this can you I hope not I hope not guys at some point I probably will talk about other cases right like the case is going to probably start going cold to some degree they're definitely I don't I don't know how Snapchat works man there it goes oh that that's that's a lot of videos people want to know I'm definitely going to get honey potted 100% there's no question I'm going to get honey potted guys no question I'm too weak friends I'm too your only chance is that love is to marry one of the Malaysian Witnesses so true so true um people ask why you can't do drugs when you have a security clearance what I mean should be self-explanatory but uh it's one of the questions I ask you on your clearance that they make you talk about is it okay to talk about this I think so when you do a security clearance there's like it's a huge process a huge process you have to fill out like a I don't even know how many pages like 60 page thing about everywhere you've ever lived uh you know you have to say this thing that you you never do drugs you have to do like any type of legal situations you've ever had you have to be on there um and I'm not going to talk too much more about the process other than just like that but it's it's really extensive I'm actually like what what would happen if okay I'll turn my phone off guys I'm sorry I'm being rude to you guys um and then let's let's do some stuff uh like I don't know if I if I don't get my clearance renewed whenever that happens um I'm not sure guys we're not linking MH370 to mh17 I'm happy to talk about mh17 but they're not the same plane uh nobody actually met the criteria for the Bounty um the Dan Islander I think a lot of redditors for some reason thought that the Bounty was for like debunking the videos it's it wasn't the Bounty for the 150,000 was to find the hoaxer and provide the source files meaning you have to provide their work so if you're one of these redditors out there who I know are listening who are like delusional or whatever your issues are like at least get the facts straight cuz I see you guys posting a lot lot of fake stuff on Reddit I I don't post on Reddit anymore but I check it every once in a while because people message me and try to Honeypot me and stuff like that um but at least just get your facts right it's just it's kind of embarrassing man it's kind of embarrassing cool is it physics time what do we want to do as well yeah if you guys want to know my opinion on mh17 real quick it's pretty simple I was actually online when the Russian general separatist bragged I think it was on Facebook if I remember correctly about shooting down a Ukrainian plane and then 15 minutes later they deleted it because uh they knew it was a civilian airliner so it doesn't make any sense for that to be MH370 in any reality or any world okay so what do you guys want to do let's do a little vote yeah when is the generation Zed podcast going to come out I think that I think that he said that he made it available on his patreon but he was waiting to make it available out there for for everybody I'm going to talk to Keith Keith on the mic tomorrow yeah it was a buck missile launcher took it down not everything even though there's a lot of conspiracies not everything's connected folks not everything is connected um yeah two more podcasts tomorrow man it's going to be a lot of work it's going to be a lot of work man okay um so should we do science or should we do let's do a poll science or drone location okay there's a poll out science of drone location we've got the Drone location stuff up or I'll take other recommendations too whatever you guys want I don't care I know people love their science I don't think this Mount Fuji I think we debunk this Mount Fuji thing I think that the clouds can still form there not really sure clouds might be natural in that location not everything always checks out we just follow in all the leads be honest I'm not really a uh 911 conspiracy guy but you know what I'll just keep my mind open to everything this point when you're dealing with a conspiracy like this you you pretty much have to have your mind open about everything I want to talk about Mena Mena is the people that are really really full of themselves you guys can't see the pole should be at the top of the screen looks like people want to do drone location is winning pretty heavily Mena guys geez man okay hold okay let's men here um yeah okay Bernie I've got my email up I'll send you an email resp later we'll we'll figure out some time to talk Bernie for sure I can't wait to talk to you man love to talk about really whatever you want to talk about too I don't even really care it would be nice to have a little change of pace every once in a while honestly talk about the same stuff so much I'm curious when Elizabeth Lan's things going to drop as well she was a pilot she was is it appropriate to say that she's attractive from a podcaster probably inappropriate but I liked her she's a pilot smart intelligent woman also she had an accent I fall for girls that have accents for sure yeah I hear that xace was good I mean there was 100,000 people on it what do they talk about on the xace yeah flat times thanks a lot man so-called hoax are just happened to make MH370 disappear using rare exotic physics that actually work in real life what are the chances person was a master physicist an engineer okay we're going to do drone location it looks like we got enough people voting I think on this it's sexist to call a woman attractive Ashton I don't think so I don't think so I want to know more about what happened on that space though okay I'm going to make a Twitter post with the stream information on it for some reason I think yeah I mean this picture's missing from the was not these pictures weren't crawled either like this is just weird man Jesse Michaels what's Jesse Michaels up to Martin scarelli we have almost more followers than Martin scarelli does yikes well that's that's that's tempting but I'm going to pass going to pass on that it's already 10 o' oh whatever 11 o'clock it's pretty late uh uh maybe I won't make a post for the uh stream tonight we're not going to be on long enough to make it worthwhile we'll do one for tomorrow let's do the Drone thing here oh people are donating well donating people ask me how much money I made from oh take it easy red pan I appreciate you bu uh people are asking me how much money I made from social media and stuff guys not very much money man I haven't even monetized I haven't even got any money from the uh from YouTube at all all these donations I haven't even collected any of it I don't even know how much it is and some of it may have expired I don't even know from Twitter I don't know maybe $500 total over the last four months months I we've had hundreds of million over 100 million views and I gave uh a bit of it away I'm probably going to give away more of it as well to my followers for Christmas or to my uh admins and significant contributors for Christmas I was just giving them like $50 Amazon gift cards do you recall a video that shows a whole being blown into a cloud after the event behind the plane yes yes we do know that no martinis tonight tomorrow's a work day guys tomorrow's a work day um but if you want to see the picture one sec guys I've got I'm getting spammed by a lot of stuff you want to see the hole in the cloud since you donated appreciate it for the $5 um I me you once again you don't have to donate to get questions asked but I guess it does increase the attention I can't really deny that okay is this the one that's only a minute long yeah okay so we go near the end here so right about here where my mouse is a little hole is going to open up see that hole opens up there right here definitely something happening right there this is the and the high quality one is pretty clear too so I mean you guys see the clouds like shaking back and forth here too right like what do they fake that too look at this Distortion here that you see yeah this is and then what they're F faking this mouse as well faking the perspective changes I just think a lot of people can't tell the difference between reality and fake stuff yeah it does debunk it Rob Gage in fact if you guys listen to the yeah and good night anybody who's leaving if you listen to the investigate Earth podcast today I I mentioned how it feels like if this was an operation they started before our analysis videos came out because the analysis videos debunk uh the fact that the clouds they claim that the clouds aren't moving mov that means it can have been a 2d effect right um where did I put that what's this one see here here you go okay whoever doesn't believe the clouds are moving you're about to be proven wrong just for the record when you're looking down from space clouds don't move left and right as fast as you would think especially when you're th kilometers away just so heads up can see the clouds literally changing oh this is the orb passing through you can see the clouds moving here right you can see that that they're not static can see this moving right here 100% moving you can see that right or what do you think that they slowly changed a bunch of the pixels around to make it look like they're moving like that like how long do you think this would have taken a make changing each pixel okay let's go back now we get over to this part oh that's the object wait where's the cloud moving thing is it over here somewhere hold here is okay so here's the cloud movements okay he draws lines so you can't possibly miss it you can see the clouds moving oh there it was I passed it like they're they're definitely moving 100% can see them shifting I asked Jonas have you looked at the video the clouds moving no I haven't looked at it I'm like well maybe you should cuz it's not like it's just shifting left and right like they're naturally moving why do any of stuff if it's fake no one can add any story no hoaxers is ever coming out guys no hoaxers is ever coming out let's just be real no hoaxers coming out clouds grow and Shrink as they move that's not a blur effect man that's not a blur effect like are you just like ignorant wake up man that's not a blur effect you guys are just like in your own head like the people that yell at me about confirmation bias are the ones literally just making up fake terms about how this stuff is done I tell you what go ahead and just apply your blur effect to the clouds and see if it accurately makes them move Jesus man redditors are just literally the dumbest people on the face of the Earth there's really no other I there's just no nice way to put it there's just no nice way to put it just redditors are just so stupid okay let's take a look at this I told Jonas to look at the stuff man yeah it's definitely not a blur effect these people man just place a just do a blur effect you just make up crap dude that have no idea what they're talking about thanks going go ahead and take that go ahead and step that I don't have a thing where the zoomed in copy of the uh cloud thing though so this is Port Blair here somewhere yeah I mean that's definitely within range they should have been able to see the plane from Port Blair 100% if panang can see it all the way out to here then their radar should be able to see it here as well unless it just somehow barely doesn't see it yeah thanks a lot simatics okay simatics I'll put that in my science stuff for later we've got a lot of stuff for science guys I don't know we're not going to get a lot done tonight on the science front I'm going to try to get some more sleep and it's not stay up till like 3:00 a.m. or however late it was last night pretty late yo also if Martin's out there if you're out there watching Martin just keep my name out of your mouth man just keep my name out of your mouth I don't want to badmouth you man you know what you've said to me in DMS just don't say my name don't bring me up you didn't want to be part of MH370 don't be part of it go back to your own stuff go back to your own life do not bring me up it's like how much these people are obsessed with me is just getting freaking weird man okay for go wait I mean the way to rebunk this debunk is to discredit um Jonas because since he's the only one who put his name out there I'd prefer not to do that I really prefer not to do that but I I feel like he just doesn't understand either if he's an honest person he doesn't understand what he's putting himself into and if he's a dishonest person then it all kind of just adds up together okay let's see else we got here oops that's not what I wanted okay I have too many windows open [Music] okay for the people who want to know Punjabi Batman is trolling you when he says the videos are fake so just a heads up people thought that he was being serious he's not I just he was messaging me earlier I figured I'd check and ask him I better I better reply and also like if you're on Reddit and you send me like the the like you need help thing or whatever like you're going to get your whole account banned like I just I report that every time and they it's a 100% permanent ban every time so don't do that I mean I know that redditors are just that low but yeah uh no I'm not going to ask Jonas about any more other stuff than what I've already asked him he can if he wants to speak publicly I think he should speak publicly now at this point is the theory that Jones's computer was hacked and the fake images were planted I see a tweet from two hours said he said he had a backup on an external WS backup and the picks are the same I mean that's pretty weird to have all that but sure you know what I don't know maybe he was directly involved he is an expert at manipulating photos at this point the fact that we can't find the images anywhere else and he's the only source means that it's all in him now if he's not willing to delete his debunk then all unfortunately he deserves all the uh attention he gets the same way that I get all the attention that I get right the way that I make myself credible is I put myself in front of everybody all the time and let people watch what I do so that's really that simple man I gave him my friendly advice my honest advice straightforward I told you guys what my advice was it's up to him man if he's watching these videos he knows if he's watching these streams he knows the videos that I have that damages credibility pretty severely uh VFX expert that manipulates photos and clouds happens to be the person that is the person that's putting out debunks about this pretty weird man that also happens to know the corridor crew pretty weird man nobody can find these pictures on the internet you know post dat pre-dating the uh the videos and it still doesn't explain why all the evidence and what happened to the plane refused to sign an affidavit saying he's not lying pretty bizarre man why not sign a true statement and take $10,000 I'd take it I'd take it in heartbeat somebody where have me sign an affidavit right now uh no I'm not blackmailing here it is right here I'll let you guys watch I'll let you guys watch somebody sent me these these videos so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning did you get it should we watch it again so I actually very heavily relied on um you want me to post put right now so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning so actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning here's manipulating clouds in another video to be better with your with your weaknesses he's very accomplished he's good at it trying to fix them and trying to he's really good at manipulating clouds develop your skills in in the way you you still feel that you are not that good yeah and after you you will just it's about this setting up everything uh everything needs to to to fit uh to be to create a good picture because if if there is something that pop out and looks you know pretty not on the same level that the rest of the picture it's it just you mean they out of context what context you think missing and you have I'll post the whole CLI I'll post the whole interview I don't care I got the whole interviews what contacts do you think's missing yeah the fact that he says the expert at photo manipulation is game over man that's game over the guy who found the pictures that supposedly have our clouds in them is an expert at photo manipulation and makes a video about it within like an hour of getting a random email this destroys his credibility entirely completely destroys his credibility you guys realize that right I mean I might just make a Twitter post about it on X right now should I just drop him on X right now guys like what are the chances of that exactly just so that nobody thinks I'm blackmailing him should I just post him right now okay I'll let you guys vote we'll let you guys vote vot we're going to let the Democracy take over folks should we post them now or should we wait and post them tomorrow or some other time you guys decide you guys decide you guys vote some people say wait till tomorrow I mean people are voting yes here so if you want if you want it to be tomorrow you better vote no I don't want it to seem like blackmail either so I don't want it to seem like blackmail so maybe it's just better to post it now 70 votes I would rather do other stuff but I'm going to leave it for you guys to determine no point waiting okay maximum effort looks like everybody's voting yes here we go yeah I need to post in now it might seem like blackmail you're right I I do have to post it now I think because otherwise it'll seem like blackmail I agree let's make sure it's like the whole clip here I want to make sure it's everything heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning so actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning so actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning so I actually very heavily relied on um photo I'll just add the whole link here I'll give you guys the whole link I believe it's this one I mean I don't know what contacts you guys think it might be missing so I'll make sure I add it in the bottom I mean he's talking about his his experience man what what context do you guys think there should be what context could there possibly be man what just explain to me chat what what context do you think there could be missing I'm an expert at photo manipulation but I never did photo manipulation like what context could there possibly be there's no context that changes it I'll post the whole interview let's just listen let's listen listen to more of the interview so that together real quick I didn't like it I wanted to use my Mouse um I was studying animation at the time like I was really into to the animation so I love drawing you know um but the transition to digital was a little bit awkward for me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I didn't know how to utilize digital painting or I didn't actually didn't even know digital painting really existed and then um I think I discovered devian art and start what what other what else should I be there what else what else do you think there is other than that what else should I clip should I clip it longer clip it at 210 um I was studying animation at the time like I was really I'm just going to post a clip of the whole video and I'll just say the time where it happens I love drawing you know um but the transition to dig to 2D animation oh yeah I've already clipped the part about the manipulation of the clouds should I you know what let's use our thing and let's make let's see if we can use our video software here we can maybe tie them together the longer clip doesn't take anything though yeah it's it's 221 as the time stamp you can just see it right down here at the bottom of the screen so I love drawing you know um but the transition to digital was a little bit awkward for me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I I can clip it better if you want I mean I just okay I I'll you know what we'll do a better clip just cuz everyone's freaking out thinking that it's not fair or something I don't know I'm going to clip it at 210 whatever why not right 210 use my Mouse um I was studying animation at the time like okay I can't use my Mouse um I was studying animation at the time like I was really into Tod animation so I love drawing you know um but the transition to digital was a little bit awkward for me um so I actually very heavily utilize digital painting or I didn't actually didn't even know digital painting really existed and then um I think I discovered devian art and started putting my up there and um yeah slowly the the ball began to roll and I got comments and likes and shares and all this stuff and um yeah then commissions started coming in and I think by 2011 I was working on my first film what film was that studying animation at the time like I was really into 2D animation so I love drawing you know um but the transition to digital was a little bit awkward for me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I didn't know how to utilize digital painting or I didn't actually didn't even know digital painting really existed and then um I think I discovered devian art and started putting my my crap up there and um yeah slowly what's going on chat uh who donated thank you very much for Boomer fat firm handshake thanks a lot man appreciate that okay I think we're clipping it right now we haven't made the Twitter post yet from 210 to 226 is fine yeah that's about what I did I I've made it a little bit longer no he didn't just take a picture he tried to debunk the videos with a YouTube video that has a million views on Twitter and then claimed he didn't want to be part of anything it's not really it's kind of contradictory man it's completely contradictory for being honest you had I didn't like it I wanted to use my Mouse um I was studying animation at the time like I was really into 2D animation so I love drawing you know um but the transition to digital was a little bit awkward for me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I didn't know how to utilize digital painting or I didn't actually didn't even know digital that clip doesn't feel right what is wrong with this clip like that clip's not right let's try again yeah I mean he build a 20-minute debunk video guys if he want to be involved he shouldn't have done that I've told him several times he should delete his video if he doesn't want to be involved he doesn't seem to care so it's up to him then I'm posting it because I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to Blackmail anybody I just found these imit videos like probably right before I got online here tonight yeah this rate it's going to be a while till we post something huh I don't know what digital painting is I don't I don't know any how to do any digital stuff I've told you guys I can barely even put a video together I'm like I was really into Tod animation so I love drawing you know um but the transition to digital was a little bit awkward for me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I didn't know how to utilize digital painting or I didn't actually didn't even know digital painting really existed that's the clip go I love drawing you know um but the transition to digital was a little bit awkward for me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I didn't know how to utilize digital painting or I didn't actually didn't even know digital painting really existed I think that's pretty solid that's pretty much perfect clip right there yeah probably he doesn't say he's an expert you're right let's make sure we're not I was really into Tod animation I love drawing you know um but the transition to digital was a little bit awkward for me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I didn't know how to utilize digital painting or I didn't actually didn't even know digital painting really existed time like I was really into Tod animation I did this is this is pretty much a quote it doesn't have to be an exact quote should we just should we fully quote him should we just fully quote him is that the better way to do it should we just quote him someone says should we just quote him I'm like I was really into to the animation I love drawing no um but the transition to digital was a little bit awkward for me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I didn't know how to utilize digital painting or I didn't actually didn't even know digital painting really existed time like I was really into 2D animation so I love drawing you know um but the transition to digital was a little bit awkward for me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I didn't know how to utilize digital painting or I didn't actually didn't even know digital painting really existed time like I was really into Tod animation so I love you know um but the transition to digital was a little bit awkward for me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I didn't know how to utilize digital painting or I didn't actually didn't even know digital painting really existed time like I was really into 2D animation digital painting or I didn't actually didn't even know digital painting really exist Ed time like I was really into to the animation so I love drawing you know um digital painting or I didn't actually didn't even know digital painting really existed time like I was really into 2D animation I love okay direct quote is better right that way it can't seem like we're saying anything incorrect I don't want to be taking anyone out of context here yeah sorry about that I had to I had to quote it think we just posted just straight up like this right manipulating his quote by directly quoting him in context how am I manipulating this quote I think we're just going to post it like this right I want to make sure that everything is directly what do you mean manipulating the quote what what are you talking about it's literally verbatim you're manipulating this quote by posting this quote literally verbatim in context full full context what do you mean there's more than one quote it's literally his whole the whole thing that he just said he never brought it up which is pretty weird doesn't say oh yeah I'm an expert at photo manipulation he talked about okay I'm posting it chat you guys are being weird man there you go you're being weird chat that uh the truth can't be defamation my man you guys should probably check out what defamation means think that the Reddit are angry right now huh hey guys nobody made Jonas make a video guys nobody made him do that no one made him make a debunk video man it's not that he thinks he did he 100% did more than just respond he made a debunk video so he's going to lose all his credibility for the rest of his life it's not my fault we got more should we post the next one or should we save the next one I don't want to I don't want anyone to think that I'm trying to Blackmail anyone I'm just trying to put the information out there as soon as possible I'm just posting the facts man yeah literally put quoting people in contact is not what defamation is think that redditors are about to start seething pretty hard right now going to start seething pretty hard how could I ruin someone's career he's the one who's making debunk videos no I think I'm just going to I don't defamation would be if I add my own editorialization I'm just going to post the stuff with him uh in making his own um I mean it's just him just it's him being quoted man I think it's pretty clear why it's important I don't think I have to add any context on this one uh Nathaniel I don't think I have to add any post the next one too yeah coping and seething will commence now yeah I kind of want to let this one Maul a little bit though you know oh he talks about manipulating clouds yeah I think we let the other one marinate a little bit I don't want to go too hard just yet everybody knows I have the other one I'm going to post it I'm not asking him to do anything just for the record as well I did not know these videos existed of Joon until after I had already asked him to take down his video the only reason why I asked him to take down his video is because he didn't want the attention and he was complaining about the attention and I told him that you shouldn't make a debunk video that puts you in the center of attention if you don't want the attention I've been very clear with Jonas from the very moment I talked to him what he was getting himself into Cena bite you're gone from the chat buddy you won't be posting here ever again go back to Reddit go cry about it somewhere else go cry about it somewhere else somebody's asking about MH370 and Jesse Michael space we should go take a look at that yeah now all of a sudden the coping and seething begins zero followers goodbye if I go and take a look at you posting my thing and you've got zero followers you're probably going to get the boot let's listen uh that video itself it's tough man I'm not a VFX expert um a lot of people like have him on have him on and like it's tough because I'm I spend a lot of resources per each video and it would be back if it like turned out to not be true and I like you know we like we put out like this big son of kind of production around around the thing um I don't know I mean Salvatore P kind of jumped on it and was like you know this is this is definitely like terrestrial Tech within dude like spicy sort of thisk is is somewhat damning and it seems like Ashton's even kind of said you know this this has been sort of falsified like something that I've heard in regards to AI that nobody's really been talking about um I can't remember if it was in her newest book or in like one of the recent podcasts but Diana Pula talks about how one of the ways she thinks AI is like going to affect disclosure is the fact that like there's going to be technology to unreact all these documents that have already been put out there I was kind of wondering like what you think the timeline is on that and also like it's weird like I kind of agree in the fact that you said like disclosure is not on their timeline and the like the bill and everything seems sort of like bread in circuses because we got everything from Jac ble and his embolden speech or whatever you guys can see that I'm in the xace right and then we also have I don't know if you saw but uh Bob Bigalow was just on Jeffrey misho for a few interviews and when one of them like they brought up the imminent domain thing that was in the bill and he actually laughed and he said like matter who comes after it Congress or whoever I'm going to probably take off the Bounty I'm going to take the Bounty away you're never going to find it I just kind of wondering what your thoughts are on those things thanks yeah I've heard similar the reason I'm going take the Bounty away is I think that it might be um causing people to make fake stuff you can't do that if it's a private Corporation and I don't want to be I don't think there's coming forward again whose names get tossed around constantly it seems like some mes they were literally talking about me a second ago um this is real Martin scarelli right here I don't know I don't know what exactly to to make of uh their abilities to actually kind of take over how do you say his last name correctly how do you pronounce his last namei Ross kard I was watching a Kad interview the other day and he brought up a really interesting point that I think is actually more impact on this than the others because if they've got a contract with the government then if the contract is written with any sort of formal structure the government able to call stuff that was handed over but Ross actually mentioned private companies private aerospace companies that have done recoveries of their own Val of apparently nonhuman craft and so if a private company did the retrieval and if the private company didn't declare it at the time that they retrieved it then that would be a real eminent domain problem yeah i' I've heard him say that too and there's like meteorite law and stuff I I think that's the exception to the rule I think this stuff was collected around Atomic stuff generally and was collected via that secrecy protocol and then doled out via the Pentagon to these companies to work on and so on the flip side of like you know I think in some ways like these these companies were like asked and like they you know and were kind of put in a tough spot or whatever and then now they just they gota they got to give up the goods and and yeah I I don't I don't have a sense on like the government's agency or ability to sort of I need 150k nobody's goingon to collect the bounties so it doesn't seem seem necessary honestly Turner can can just uh you know work through McConnell and just do this you know it's it's it's it's it's so ridiculous but uh I don't I don't I don't know the question like operationally like if the thing had passed um would would the craft have actually been been seized it's like it's really how martinell linked to this exactly kind of confused this is like uaps right does he is he into this stuff um you know atomic energy act CIA dled out but yeah that account mess me by mention though quickly on that point when um we worked on government contracts in in that area before um and I've had it clarified by other people that audited the did as well that yeah I AG have to meet a certain set of requirements such as ISO accreditation and stuff like that to do work for the government so ask if they have questions for me won't talk too long one thing I've said for a while is that's the Avenue where the Congress should be able to have proper oversight because the contractual misadventure you know area I don't have a way to put my people should have oversight for and I've always suggested that put my that's the area they should Target to try and you know define whether these special access programs have proper protocols to Define National Security you know protection of equipment uh protection of secrets to other governments so I you know just to mention these companies have to comply to these things they might not pass the audits but they have to have the systems in place and that should be fully traceable provided the government is giving the you know the right which they should have as the contract owner to be able to inspect the contracts and validate their you know the proper processes have been followed SC yeah I wish this were an actionable conversation in the bill was was going to pass and that was going to that was or the bill was going to pass in original form rather it was going to happen but uh yeah um um interesting traceability I don't know I don't know maybe Big's right maybe you're right I'm not sure um I think I know we were just talking about MH370 so I don't what what's your your take I know we were texting oh yo yeah what's up man yeah nice to hear you talk to you Jesse also I see Martin skelli in the chat it's just kind of blowing my mind because you know I know what the heck anyway welcome nice to see you man nice to see you dude um yeah I was just going to see the people have questions I mean reality is So This Cloud debunk came out a couple days ago I made a statement on it saying that these clouds do look to be like you know similar if not exactly the same as the ones in our videos and a lot of stuff has come out since then um people haven't been able to find these pictures on like Torrance that were like full rips of the entire website from the old uh old website that uh predate the videos so it's just a little bit odd in that respect and so now I've kind of backed away from it a little bit in terms of my previous state St Ms and I think the just be reality of this now is especially because of like the nature of how big this conspiracy could be in terms of people don't know like the US government being implicated in The Disappearance of MH370 um that I think the US government needs to make a statement like if the videos are have been faked to some degree somebody hoax them for whatever reason the list of requirements is like pretty long and it would basically have to be a state actor in order to pull it off so the if they're fake and somehow these clouds are in our videos here then I think the government should come out and say yeah these are fake they we definitely didn't see the plane despite having spy satellites staring right down at it um and otherwise they should just come clean with it now I don't know if they'll do that but that's my opinion on the current situation and for the record for everybody listening like I will not stop investigating the case until that happens um you know I think that there's people have so much to lose for this type of situation I think that Jesse can kind of understand this too related to the David grush stuff as well where like if this stuff comes out like people have been lying people have been ruining people's lives people have been probably violating the Constitution we've probably been misappropriating money why we can't pass any audits so there's like a lot of reason to for people to lie about these videos any questions on that no it's interesting man I mean I know he spoken I just I I don't know what to make of of the whole thing I mean it's uh the videoos as possible what's that go go for it hi hi Ashton I haven't spoken to you since um all the drama um but I wondered you'd mind if I just ask a couple of questions um firstly for those who don't know but they probably do know kim.com kim.com was so convinced by all of this he actually put money up for somebody to debunk it um so I just want to show the strength of how resilient and how excellent particularly Ashton was in probing and going deep into the whole scientific makeup of this to make sure that it wasn't debunk if somebody like kim.com can put money behind it that's pretty solid um but I don't think and I don't believe it has debunked everything to me it debunks The Disappearance of the plane at the end part of the investigation but it does not debunk the fact that I believe the US they were involved with it and probably behind it that doesn't absolve all the weird things happening with amazian government the Malaysian Minister himself on tape it doesn't debunk leg fact that the American Military have that type of Technology because a lot of other people came forward and demonstrated it being used or had evidence of it being used in other places and I don't think it debunks the fact that there were a lot ofor pieces of evidence that came forward from other physicist scientists whatever of a lot of the technology that ashon talked about that I personally still believe has a lot of legitimacy and for me was a bit of a scientific discovery it certainly made me go off and look at certain parts of physics that I've not even known of before so I just want to say thank you and thank you for the honesty behind it yeah I appreciate it I think just to respond to that too I would say that and I'm just I'm an investigator that's just been following the case right I people think that I'm emotionally invested or something but the reality is that I'm not I just want to know what the answers are and so let's just say hypothetically these clouds uh debunk the satellite video or if people think this zap from a 9s video game debunks the technology for some reason like that still leaves like 10 pages 12 pages of evidence that we have of proving that satellites are staring at the plane proving there's no way this plane could have crashed into the ocean without leaving a debris field with no acoustic detections no black boxes is in the most expensive and extensive search in history not finding one piece of the plane right so there's there's something wrong here even before I saw the videos I knew the United States government probably had to know more I would honestly be relieved if the technology part was fake I would be relieved if the orbs and the zap were not in this video because I think that if they weren't then nobody would question whether or not the videos are real they'd be like yeah Ashton have you ever have you ever entertained The Meta conspiracy that say it was a state actor that produced the videos because they were trying to distract from the fact that some very more prosaic funny business was going on around the you know whatever Precious Cargo was on that player like that you know the thing was sort of taken out like you create UFO videos at the height of UFO Mania and you know send people off the trip this is me totally speculating I have no idea no no that's totally a reasonable uh question people actually ask that a lot like well what if a state actor did it right and I think that there's only there's a few problems with it first is like first of all where's the plane right like we didn't find a plane anywhere um but the other issue is like with respect to the thermal video we see this forward- facing gravity engine and we see this non-radiating barrier around the orbs and it's like nowhere in any UFO video that I've seen the last six years have I seen anything like that you know people talk about like okay these orbs are you know somehow manipulating gravity but like to actually see it in the video makes me wonder like who came up with this if like did they fake this because that's what they how they really work or is they you know you know I just can't understand like how they could be creative to come up with it and then the other part's like okay well which government did it did the US government do it to implicate themselves in in the dispence of the plane because you put this video on CNN and CNN viewers with their CNN brains are not going to go oh it was the aliens that did it right they're going to be like no the US government's covering something up and you might say okay well maybe China did it the weird thing about China is that they hacked Malaysia the next day on March 9th because they knew something was wrong and they stole crisis Medi minute notes and classified information about the plane the next day so to me it doesn't really make sense for them to do it um and then Russia I just don't really think is capable enough like maybe I'm not giving them enough to credit but I definitely would entertain those ideas and that's another part where too if that's true then the US government definitely should be coming out and be like oh nope these were hoaxed by Russia to make us look bad or something I don't know what's your um base case like description of what you think happened and then your percentage confidence on that yeah I think it definitely is a fire event from the lithium ion batteries the 221 kilograms 500 lbs of lithium ion batteries in the cargo bay you know these things are super super dangerous a lot of planes were taken out before between like 2010 and 2012 related to these batteries I've got somebody who wants to go testify about it that has experience testifying on the hill that they run away lithium ion battery fires were hugely dangerous that they were like trying to get the safety regulations increased back in like 2012 and that makes the most logical sense based on the flight path of this emergency flight path where the plane's going dark turning around going to panang which is the correct airport you would go to in such a situation and then the question is like why Malaysian government says we've got the minister of defense like money Penny was just talking about admitting that they say that the plane was unidentified but that they knew it was a civilian airliner and they knew it's not hostile which makes no sense because if it's a hijacking scenario or even a pilot suicide scenario that's a hostile situation so how could they know that the only thing I can think of is they know the situation of the plane they know it's a fire they know it's an emergency event and they probably have communication and they probably didn't release the communications um and they only released the good night Malaysian Airlines flight 370 part and maybe that's the classified information that China stole um and then the part is well okay if the rest of the video is somehow fake it's like well why does it corroborate this event because the only reason why you're going to cover up something like a fire on board an airplane is because you did something else that needs to be covered up like the technology we see in the videos and then the other part that kind of corroborates it is that this plane is not going to last eight hours if it's on fire it's actually pretty miraculous it lasts for an hour and 20 minutes which is what we needed to do to get to the point in the videos where it gets to the nicobar islands at the exact location where the plane supposedly turns into the South Indian Ocean at exactly 1840 UTC at the exact time where they say they lost contact with it the very next day like there's just too much corroborating it so what's thing sorry quickly is the letter that Ashton received on a foyer request which was not only evasive um it chose some wording Ashton you'll have to read it along the lines of the national security reasons we cannot tell you anymore which to me was a bit of a giveaway that's pretty fascinating yeah what was that again Ashton the yeah so and then the other part is like well and I think Jesse we didn't talked like probably months ago but we were talking about like well why would you do this right and so we've kind of evolved our understanding a little bit too is that the 20 freescale semiconductor Engineers seem like the most likely reason why you would maybe deploy some technology to save the plane or do whatever for a cover up because they're directly tied to uh United States Aerospace and defense we found an NSA secur 2005 security report that talks about commercial emergence of room temperature superc conductive microchips that references free scale semiconductors nine different times in it talking about their microchips talk about how within s years they will be ready for production but only if the US government gets involved so you could say okay we're either preventing these people from getting to China maybe this is some kind of Espionage event some elaborate started the fire got made them go here you could say they're trying to save them because they have some intellectual property that's very important um you could also say it's like a test because if this plane can't land at panang and trying to try to land in the ocean it's going to be doomed like this thing's going to rip apart everybody's GNA die so you could say that they're just testing it but the new scenario or theory that came up is well maybe they there's like one person on board This Plane that's like really important that has really connected right and they just call in their rescue me button and they're like hey you guys need to save me here like my plane is effed and we're all going to die and it could be one of those Engineers maybe it's Philip wood the IBM executive I don't really know but um that's the thing about this mystery is that like we don't know everything I can just present the facts in the best likely scenario in my opinion but but we leave it to everyone now I I think we should get Martin's take yeah I want to hear it Martin are you with us all I I have nothing uh intelligent to add otherwise I'd be happy to join okay fair so you want to next part yeah so the part about the leaker right so we're sitting there and or I'm sitting there one night and I'm going like I feel like I have a good idea just from watching the videos like what the mindset of somebody who leaked this video would have been they're probably US military personnel because the military assets that were seeing in both videos mq1 C Great Eagle cers system which is space based infrared system uh likely an operator because someone has to have the capability to remove the HUD data to use the rathon camera to add in using the onboard software this thermal layer that we see they probably had an emotional reaction meaning they were probably there that night because the first video that we can find says received March 12th 2014 which is just 4 days after the plane disappeared they cropped the Drone out of the satellite video and the satellite video was the first one that was released indicating that they probably weren't trying to damage intelligence there might be other assets that were cropped out as well they might have thought they were looking at UFOs themselves because the video says air satellite video airliner in UFOs and it took like eight weeks for the person to actually publish the video after they supposedly received it based on the up the publish date so they might have had to be convinced that this video is even authentic just like when we look at it even 2023 we don't even really believe it's real because we don't have the basis for it so I'm sitting there and I'm looking up people that have been charged with Espionage um you know will for attention of classified data will for attention of National Defense information and I it took me like two weeks I wasn't finding anyone I looked up all the famous people you know the Chelsea Mannings the Edward Snowden all these people nobody had a profile that fit and then all of a sudden I started doing date range searches and I find this guy Lieutenant Commander Edward C Linn and I would say I'm 99 to 100% sure that this is the guy I first thing I started seeing is signals intelligence all over every single news article about him and we had been talking about how these assets are all linked through signals intelligence you can actually even Google right now Sig int payload and the very top hit will reference the mq1 C greaty Eagle which is the Drone he gets a code name for his arrest it's called Rogue Archer which is like this feels like something that would have to be related to intelligence or defense his deployment is super narrow he gets the assigned to this Squadron the vpu2 uh the Wizards which is like a they fly spy planes including the Lockheed Martin ep3 Aries 2 which if you Google that you'll find out it has realtime tactical Sig in and full motion video intelligence his job was actually to take the data from the onboard system and the battlefield situational awareness from all the videos that they have on there and relay it up to leadership the deployment started February uh February 2014 the month before the Malaysian Airlines he gets reassigned to March 25th 2014 2 weeks after the plane goes missing the investigation into him began April 2nd 2014 a week after he gets reassigned his next assignment was the brg so whatever they had him doing after that was like basically go sit on the bench and they're basically just investigating him and in May of 2014 he gets caught with two flight manifests in his flight suit from a deployment that included search and rescue code names so what other search and rescue could there have been in that narrow of a window of time the defense argues during the trial that the classified information in questions available on the internet and then the state or the government comes back and says well just because it's available on the internet does not declassify it um I'll kind of skip the rest of this but his charges were that would have resulted in life in prison from the Espionage charges was the first major incident of Espionage by an active duty member since the end of the Cold War they redacted his charge sheet he had a bunch of knowledge that they claim was useful to adversaries they tried to like OB fisc all the stuff related to him and turns out it's not really a spy case there was no evidence whatsoever that he exchanged any information from anyone from China um then he end up taking a plea deal uh after he they wouldn't let him out of uh like the pre-trial confinement and they wouldn't really show any of the reason why he was like a huge risk or anything like that and even after he took a plead deal he got 9year sentence and we actually found his appeal and in his appeal he even argued that the sentence was uh overtly harsh compared to other people they denied his appeal um he even argued that the people they had people testify as to how much damage he could have done to uh National Defense um which like I'd love to see what whatever this thing is it's available on the internet if it's not these videos you know um he ended up taking uh responsibility for the two offenses of classified information that he was actually guilty of and I think that's all he ended up getting from the uh the plead deal so I Foya the FBI and NCIS and I'll just read part of the NCIS response which they responded back to me in under a week I got a response from the head of government information sharing unit senior associate Council K Richmond and said you know in response to your freedom information request to NCIS Edward C Linn we found one investigation 2014 I'm just abbreviating right now we've carefully reviewed the documents and have withheld them in total under Foya exemption one exemption one protects from disclosure of information about matters specifically authorized under the criteria established by the executive order to be kept secret in the interest of National Defense or foreign policy uh so when you look that up you find out that yeah it's related to either National Defense or foreign policy the it's an Obama era exemption where he had opened up foyer request to make them more available and easier to get and yet this is one of the rare exemptions that can be applied where they can still deny it so if it's not a spy case like what did this guy disseminate if it's not the videos and why were they trying to throw him in jail for nine years after a plea deal interesting I don't know I mean if I were you I would look at the amount of search and rescue that went on in that period between end of March early April um 2014 like when you're like it has to be that you might be right I don't know I don't know how many cases like that occur in like a week or two period or whatever and so I'm guess there was a flight from Spain to France that disappeared many years ago it actually turned out to be through turbulence they knew almost exactly where the plane lost contact it never lost communication at any point and they still didn't find it for two and a half years just to give you some context yeah so are is that a that's like a counter that's you're just saying like A's raiser as a result well what what I'm saying is that there for me I haven't seen a plausible Theory as to why any actor would engage a type of you know Tech to disappear a public commercial aircraft an act of war against Malaysia or any of the other things that have been implicated which would have been acts of War I I was living in Malaysia in qual Alpa at the time when this happened so and and I was working in the aviation industry so I'm just saying um from a reality point of VI yeah and I I guess the other the other only small point I'd push back on ash or not push back on I just say it's like where you should look what you should look into is like how many cases of Espionage if if you Foya other cases of ESP like how many times do you get the exact same letter back uh and so you know if they a bunch of cases where you don't but it it's it's almost like inherent to that sort of uh transgression where like if the guy is in trouble for like disclosing classified stuff or whatever be a monster you know like it would seem that you'd probably not be able to get to the bottom of that is a civilian trying to Avy it like in general and this is not this is not uh you know uh a reputation it's gonna fo stuff go deeper or whatever where like you know I think you should tomorrow we're gonna Foy us some more stuff I don't know like like is is is that not a generic response in that in that case I guess would be media reports that the American government who were trying to send a particular poison over to Kim Jong Yan this is all reported um were using Malaysia as the airport and the base through which to Transit the bio um uh whatever is the stuff that they were going to poison him with because they couldn't get it through international air transit and it was in fact found in Malaysia in a Malaysian Laboratory um and the Malaysian government were under the assistance that they should support the US in trying to get this through the air Authority so they could get it directly to that's a press report I can't confirm or deny whether or not it was accurate but it was at the same time so I'll let others jump in but I guess is the question is the what how would that be connected so you have like room temperature uh super conductors on the plan and then you also have man I want do more science I don't know if we're gonna get poison I don't know like it just feels like there like a ton of take it easy to P Mash like if you were trying to construct like a coherent narrative what is that yeah I think that's the part where I can't answer right like we need the government to answer and that's why I want them to make a statement on the videos cuz you know like Kent said and other people say and people ask me all the time why would they do this where do they go like I I'm not a suici or I'm not psychic right like all I can say is that it makes no sense for this plane to have crashed in the South Indian Ocean this pilot suicide narrative makes no sense there's not any evidence like finding a couple pieces of debris from some random people 18 months later isn't really proof that a plane crashed into the ocean somewhere so you know I'm with you there like I I I I guess I'm I don't know about the I'm with the the pl there's so much weird and by the way I think a lot of these Netflix docs are like Look Away type documentary like it's like you make a dock on you want other people to like not you know the the Epstein equivalent or whatever so I'm I'm with you and then I guess I I I I don't know like what my you know I don't know what your percentage confidence is but I'd be curious on like the video itself because that that's where I feel very lost and open-minded but I just don't know what to what to sort of make of it and if anybody else wants to jump in yeah could I just mention there's a lawsuit that's just been taking place a week ago where the families of MH370 have added another lawsuit and this is one of the reasons for for one of the better word to cover up there were serious deficiencies in the Manifest it showed 2,000 kilos of mangotin that weren't in season didn't exist at the time and the 221 kilos of batteries could have actually been 2,000 kilos uh there is evidence to suggest there was 2,000 kilos of batteries on board the ship I just wanted to mention one thing as well I've been part of trying to recover an underwater vehicle that um fell off one of our Platforms in the Black Sea we spent over a month with rovs over €1 150,000 at the time and we knew exactly where it fell from it was on a platform in the Black Sea and yet we could not find that thing uh within 4 weeks we spent too much money never recovered it tuck avation industry there's been 23 parts that have been linked to a 77700 so far that could have been part of that craft and you know she that's some evidence but it's not enough evidence all I'm saying we for me the most important thing is not the answer it's how we're getting there and trying to support each other and be clear about the way that we you know how we get there how we talk to each other and how we think about it while we're well I agree I agree that's important sorry to cut you off Kent that's important just I can say one thing I think that's important but I think the answer is probably more important sorry no I I just I I the finding still out to this day that they don't know like the the conclusion is they don't know and that's 10 you know more than 10 years can I ask you one question who there thean government the fa every investig ation so far has not come to a conclusion documentaries have but no official investigation has put a conclusion as to what happened to m370 it's still that's fair that's fair yeah just to kind of change topic a little bit I kind want to ask Jesse something and because I think that even more so than just the videos is a discussion about disclosure in general what it means and my personal opinion on the UAP disclosure you know act and what's been happening in Congress is that I don't think it's going to be very uh effectual like I don't think that A lot's going to come from it just because the stigma I think that's out there about aliens let's just be real about it and about UFOs in general like I talked to my parents about it who are older right and they're like what does this mean to me what do I care about with this right like one thing that I would advise on humbly is that maybe we approach it from the perspective of the conspiracy angle of you know where's this money going it's going to these third party contracts let's figure out like what they're developing these Lockheed Martins northr grummond Bigalow airspace Boeing even uh battel Institute all these people that are just getting billions of dollars from the government right like can we open up their books figure out the stuff they're doing because to me if they are reverse engineering uaps whatever then the public has a right to know but to be honest the only reference to aliens was the possibility that somebody would think the domes the three domes that was shown might be from a non-human origin now we know from last week from China who did a press release with a video about their unmanned drones that they're using and firing throughout the South China Sea that to be honest look exactly the same as what we saw on that video it's more about quantum mechanics and physics and electronics and progression in technology and AI that it is about aliens yeah and they're masters of Ip uh stealing and IP manipulation and all sorts of intellectual property theft so I wouldn't be surprised in if they have already started deploying similar technology hey guys I hope you don't mind if I uh jump in here real quick but I just wanted to follow up on what Ashton just said um which I think was just a fantastic point in terms of perhaps a more systematic approach um that doesn't necessarily zoom in too much on any one specific sort of event although I do understand the benefit of investigating single events especially if there's a lot of evidence to to look into but I'm just curious where everyone here stands on you know a more systematic approach for example something along the lines of a select committee in the House of Representatives um you know like the UAP disclosure act the original legislation language was obviously very strong and a great step forward but in my opinion it was still very much a passive approach that kind of expects a lot of agencies to be forthcoming with the information that they have um and without you know subpoena powers and enforcement kind of powers uh that that would bring I find it hard to believe that you know these agencies would really collaborate without something a little bit more active um and in my opinion something like a select committee which historically has been able to uncover some pretty gnarly stuff um whether it's you know MK Ultra or project Mockingbird and those kind of things um I think there is something to be said for a select committee so I'm just curious if if people here are are also supportive of those kind of initiatives I'd say yes because lock which is not far from where I'm sitting and my father who actually came from a town near Lo this an interesting conversation we're in 400 people in the UK what happened at Lo everything we add everywhere we go we add like 100 people found out had it not been for some very brave people doing it on their own expense pushing the US government again and again and again because things didn't make sense and I don't want Ashton and other people to give up on MH370 because I still believe that my be something similar behind it Martin yeah so I can time in here I mean I think that like Jesse you know we've seen a lot of mainstream and of course the great T along uh we've seen a lot of mainstreaming of this idea and this this these sort of questions and I'm sort of pivoting to to UFO for a second but like you know um you've seen a lot of people like V ramaswami who is my biggest investor back in the hedge fund uh days he he's a pretty straight shooter and I think that if if there's somebody if Government changes to a point where you have people like vake uh maybe people like Jesse I don't know people like that in government and they're given unfettered access people like myself or who knows Tucker Carlson is rumored to maybe be become a vice president in Trump's Administration could there be a group of people that is trusted within this community sort of just has cart lach you know one way or another tells the truth my fear is that and and again I I hope nobody takes offense to this is that there's a community of people that's subset of this community that will basically not take a denial for an answer and if if for argument sake of Jesse were given by personally by the president full gamut and it doesn't have to be Jesse I'm just picking on him for a second but it could be somebody else that this community trusts and is given full sort of ability to go through government files they come out and they say look there's nothing here um what I fear is that's not enough for a lot of people that want to believe of course if they come out and say there is something here then we have the maybe the most momentous moment in civilization's history and it's it's really a big deal but the question is what happens if that isn't the case and who could who could be trustworthy enough to take that job on and V I think personally has said that that he's willing to appoint somebody to do that yeah no to totally man well I just don't care that much either way there's so much open source stuff that like I it wouldn't marelli might make me like him I don't know I wasn't the biggest fan of this guy but I'm trying to get past all my UFOs anduk with Witnesses ICBM security personnel and you know missileman radar operators who've seen stuff like what you know what about that what about you know all these historical cases and the John ma stuff like there's just so much bies that like for me my like belief in the existence of the phenomena is not at all predicated on anything the government says or or or or doesn't say um and then if they were to come out and say like what's that I was gonna say that helps a lot I mean it's obvious the government doesn't have a monopoly on Truth yeah ex exactly um and then there are like variations of things that could be going on inside the government um I believe Dave grush and his testimony and I think it it cor it corroborates so much obscure reading that I've done so many other sources that like you know he's definitely not coordinating with where like I think that stuff's real as well uh if somebody were to come out and and say it I want to say something Patrick I'd be like you know go go yourself because you're probably sort of compromised in some way and so i' I'd look at it like you know gradations of you know how how how tied to special interests the person is and then if you know they're they're fully independent and they say that so they're you know they're not Edward Condon they're not Sean Kirkpatrick and uh these for you martinelly are people who historically I think are yeah let's just say like in condon's case I think he was he was he was definitely kind of an atomic Insider oh now he wants to be involves with atomic secrecy um and so you know I think he was sort of incentivized to do something there and then you know I don't know what Kirk Patrick's story is but just clearly like to me being obstruction intentionally obstructionist so if somebody seems like a good a good faith actor um you know i' I'd hear them out but uh I I I do think that uh the government is in possession of of of material at the very least and then I believe in the kind of ontological truth of of of the matter but yeah I don't know if anybody else wants to try yeah can I I'm gonna kind of add to that like steal a quote or paraphrase something I think Eric resp not even a denial we need like why aren't the best Minds on this where are the we need a select committee of like the best physicists we drop the next one should we drop the next and also examine that idea to drop the next video like fundamental physics like truths that have been kept secret since World War II era which is a whole another thing right and like you said talking about like uh Thomas Townsen Brown and you know even more obscure people like Emanuel velikovsky and you know it's like okay there's something here here there is something like has it been suppressed and you know we need the best scientists and as much as I love you know the top down kind of aspect of disseminating of information and truths you know if the best scientists all had got together and started a YouTube channel we're like Hey listen this is what we found this is what we're finding and this is for the people I think I'd be just fine too you know people it's a different world we're in right now than it was 50 years ago so well I'd like I'd like to say that that has kind of been done on Ashton's hard truth he's gotten multiple scientists together that say that these videos appear to be real in relative to their theories and I don't think that any of the debunks that have come out have gone far enough to actually disapprove the videos and even if the videos were somewhat in question there is so much evidence that that something happened to that plane in that location that any of the debunks that have come forward have not described the alternative which is their proposed reality what happened to the plane in that location and I think that this what we really need to do is like ash you said focus on pressuring the government to make a statement and also finding a way to get the Edward C ly if not him personally to make a statement some sort of way to coroporate the story I mean there's just too much about too much evidence about this story that I don't think a debunk of the video can really make it go away there needs to be an official explanation of what happened to that plane because it's obvious at this point that someone knows what happened to that plane yeah I think to me it's like the plane itself is interesting and then the the video is like I don't know that that feels really hard to dude F yeah it feels like this recursive like endless thing where yeah I mean the physics the physics inside the video of the the geodesics and the gravitational pole of the orbs and then you have you know the scientists that Ashton have talked to on hard truths that come out and say that exactly what they're seeing is what their theories are saying what type of quote unquote teleport telep uh you know teleportation would look like with the with the orbs passing through the clouds like this is not just some sort of hoaxer that went and it did it so like any of these types of come you sent me an email about why you got blocked and I think that you know why the video is fake it's like I'm not buying that because there's don't speculate on stuff you don't know Budd that puts the plane in that location if you're trying to do damage control for people looking weird can I say one thing uh to add on to what you're saying I think um I've only been following this for two weeks and I really appreciate space and the opportunity to talk but one thing I want to say is I don't know Ashton never met him never actually talked to him but he strikes me as somebody that if evidence came out that it was he would just say okay it's let's move on so I don't I don't know take that for what it's worth but um yeah I appreciate the opportunity to speak it's not worth much I mean he already put the statement out that said that not worth much it's not he said he was going to pull it all back I feel like his stat a little uh short-sided and early who because there's Ashton's statement he put St you're getting nitty-gritty man no he already put a statement out saying that he thought the video based on the evidence was fake oh it's fake so if you read my exact words I think you'll you kind of add in a little bit I'm literally here so you can just ask me my opinion right speak I mean it's fine but you know I think people Tri they will I think I was pretty clear about the saying the investigation wouldn't stop until we got answers and what I said was that I can no longer say the videos are authentic given the light of that evidence um and in the last 48 hours I think there's been a lot of Doubt as to whether or not those cloud images were really authentic that were out there so um I actually I think I regret making that decision I think I was a little bit pressured into it by kim.com who was basically our biggest supporter kind of telling me in private that I should come out and and make statement like that because otherwise it would damage my credibility the reality is I don't give a crap about my credibility I don't give a crap about what people think of me or anything related to that I got so many messages from people that I know are connected telling me that why are you giving up on this like you are so close to proving this and getting forcing them to make a statement people that were disappointed that I just realized it's not about me it never was about me you know and that no matter what until we get a statement from the government we can't stop you know now if there if the government comes out and says yeah we faked this here's the video files like okay that's one thing but somebody saying like oh I've got some pictures that magically just showed up after four months and I found them when some Six-Day old Reddit account was you know looking at some website and somehow was able to Rainman and figure out these clouds if you invert them or clouds that match like doesn't make any sense right the story makes no sense at all and so you know the way given so yeah go ahead go for it sorry I was just gonna say so that's the thing like the more I thought about it the more I'm just like okay like I just I can't get behind this you know like something it doesn't really add up here um and terms of that that case there but yes if like you know some some hoaxer were to come out print all the source files whatever right explain the situation I i' for sure would like you know move on from it it's not that kind of situation cool man one um buddy of mine that knows decent amount about satellite imaging uh said that the thermal overlay something he is not used to seeing at all and is highly anomalous and uh so that is that something You' thought of at all yes so the thermal is actually just on the drone on the mq1 C Great Eagle there was somebody else that made a post that dm' me as well that said their Buddy's an expert at those drones and they work for General atomics and that that drone video is accurate to what it would look like and that we know that the Ron cameras do have the capability to add a thermal layer um those are very highly Advanced Electro IR cameras so from that perspective we don't see any issue and the thing too is that like uh we've just right before these cloud pictures appeared we actually posted two highly detailed analysis videos that show that the clouds in the satellite video are actually accurately moving and that they're being distorted when one of the orbs passes through it in fact right before the orb passes through it because this orb has this forward- facing gravity engine that we see that we've never seen anywhere in ufology so it's just very suspicious because that implicates the fact that we have the clouds moving accurately from a high altitude you know where it's not like they're moving like left and right they're like moving moving like up and down a little bit um you know indicates that you wouldn't be able to use a 2d visual effect in the background um and so a lot of the stuff it's really just a matter of the weight of the evidence of it now I don't want to make this all about myself but go ahead sorry ashon I was hoping to jump in with a question for you um and then I hope you really don't take this the wrong way because again I just want to make clear I think it's completely valid and I totally encourage the investigation of literally any case that that has the evidence to to dive into and I think the MH370 obviously there's something uh worth investigating there my only concern is that at least to me it seems like more of a a downstream if you will for Life a better way of putting a downstream issue related to perhaps the more kind of fundamental truth that's being explored um if we consider you know again the testimony of David grush an extremely credible witness who's come forward and basically said forgot what I was ear all time is true uh essentially we are not alone we have the UAP retrieval reverse engineering programs he's given a whole set of let's say very falsifiable very ver claims he alleges that he has a list of Cooperative non-cooperative Witnesses locations where these craft are held uh where these programs are where do you see in you know it's it's I I hate to put it in these kind of terms but in terms of prioritization um let's say if we had the choice of confirming d gush's claims versus confirming uh what happened to MH370 um which one would you kind of rank in terms of priority and again I I'm not saying we shouldn't do both um but my my perspective would be that if we if we get a a binary answer especially if it's it's confirming David gush's claims it seems to me that it would lead organically also to shedding some light on on some of the programs related to to what may have happened with MH370 yeah no I totally support David gush I think that everything he's saying is 100% accurate to be honest with you now it's hard for me to believe that there's aliens or whatever here but you know I'm I think that somebody going in front of Congress under penalty of purgy is a really big thing so um I totally believe in his stuff and I I take this situation too where like one leads to the other right if he were to get that confirm sure I I 100% be clear I don't want to be distracting from anything else is out there but also my opinion is that that will never happen they're never going to disclose this information in our lifetimes is my opinion and I want to ask Martin something as well based on his statement that he was just making like or have him think about this as well because I think he's around my same age as well and I think Jesse probably as well but um you know if we look back at the presidents that have all like going back to Clinton possibly that have all like said that they would disclose this information I think Obama said that he would as well I think even Trump on campaign Trail even mentioned something about it you notice it's like they got the call right after they get in office and all of a sudden they go quiet about it Clinton leaves even on record saying that he will go and figure it out and then like says I got blocked on every way which way right from what my sources have told me that I can't believe the random people that I've met related to this people that are connected on the inside as well that like there's a Waring faction out there that they have ways where they can protect it even if you try to disclose it that they can literally like put the stuff in a person's name and have them flee the country during an investigation so that no one will be able to figure it out it's like how do you battle that I'm curious to your guys thoughts and maybe Martin's thoughts as well yeah I mean I know Jesse I mean he can speak for himself but you know for me the world of like High Finance and politics mixes pretty pretty closely and so you know the the people that these are people that all need to raise money and they raise money from the same people every year and you know I think that again because of Jesse's efforts and others the mainstreaming of this topic is getting in the ears to a degree that is unprecedented of of the right people and people are interested in this uh you know and I think that this is something that people really care about and there are some honest people left out there that um will actually do what they promise to even though that's not what politicians are known for and I think if we ever are going to get some more disclosure from at least from the US government it's it's going going to be you know in the next several administrations probably not the last several because it just hasn't been that interesting to everyone and we've seen a fever pitch of of you know kind of the maximal interest in this and maybe it just keeps growing and growing but ultimately there'll be some interest in that and v in particular not just because of because I've known him for a long time but because he's very much an outsider where he said that he's going to fire half the government you on day one based on their social security number and this is the kind of person that I think is the Deep State kind of antidote and if there's any way to any sort of technology for a guy so it almost it's almost like I think you would need your own statecraft to to go within the the animals of government which is just an enormous amount of data it's enormous number of people you basically need a commission that had you know unbelievable power um you know I'm reminded of a friend that worked in the White House in the Obama Administration and I I said's making like I said to him you know because you know White House pass he was able to get the year of the president he was an early backer of his and I asked him I said you know tell me about the conspiracy theories are they aliens etc etc and one thing that he said to me delete people's post just because we don't agree you know uh a leak happening for what we ate for lunch today we can't you know there's no way we could suppress something really Saucy like UFOs or or things like that you know we just don't have anything that interesting um relative to what the public imagination is and again maybe that's true maybe it isn't but the reason I'm interested in this um kind of thought experiment is that I do think you could create a group of people that are trustworthy enough to this community to sort of put it to bed one way or another and maybe that putting to bed so to speak is not a fully fif yes answer maybe it's sort of like and here's some data and again I think you have people like Trump and V that just don't care you know enough to to not do it and I think that they'd almost like enjoy and relish the opportunity to sort of thumb deep states in the eyes now again you know you sort of talk about this metaphorical call that certainly Rings true it does seem like somebody gets a call and then a president or something says oh okay now I see why we can't say anything you know and that's the sort of you know imaginary call that that may or may not happen I I certainly don't know uh but I do think there's a group of people that could get to the bottom of it that that would be trusted enough um and I do think that because you know these you know it would never happen I I think for Democrats but I certainly think for somebody who's so anti-de state so anti sort of government you know people like that are you know very few of them and generally when they say that and they actually become part of government they forget their rhetoric immediately and they enjoy you know being part of the the government and being part of the deep state so I again you know the other option here is the impossibility of actually being able to go through government archives you mentioned some ideas and some thoughts as to how they could be suppressed I think you know just the voluminous nature of government documents and things like that may make some of these materials Hard To Source at the same time you know uh a full commission that that would do this I think would be really interesting and again talks on on the campaign Trail you know to the extent that you know this is paired with donations from somebody very wealthy um you know it easily could be done uh those quck Pro cloes happen all the time people pay you know one guy I saw on the funding Trail for decades was the owner of the Jets Mr Johnson you know really good guy smart guy nice guy and a billionaire and would give money to Ramy would give money to just anybody running on the Republican side and lo and behold he he gives money to Trump he comes ambass um to the UK and you can buy an ambassadorship it's it's that easy but would wouldn't you rather buy a seat pretty interesting discussion you know and I think if you donated 100 million bucks to a campaign you would get a seat on this commission and you know these politicians don't care about any of this stuff so descrip I think that you're right that there's this kind of like metaphorical like possibility of a quote unquote call whether that's from the head of the FBI head of the CIA who knows I don't know but like I do think that there is you know this option to actually push this through from a campaign legislative perspective Martin I totally agree toe proba show up in person but yeah you're right this this case needs to be brought to the Forefront not about is the video real is teleportation real is it UAP or is it government made basically the evidence that we have shows that the outcome of this plane someone knows about it it's most likely the US government if we can get a presidential candidate to say that I will declassify MH370 we can get the disclosure of this the UAP Community the UFO Community all the people interested in disclosure can then rally around it and if Ashton's wrong he'll totally admit that it's wrong I mean he's shown that he's capable of doing that but we can rally everyone together this around this and at least get this Cas disclosed because something fantastic happened to this plane or at least something deeply hidden I is a great candidate for it Trump's probably a great candidate for it as well I agree no one on the Democrat side is but if we can rally around this case and at least commit to finding the truth about this case I think it will make a huge difference and that's what we should do yeah real quick I just want to jump in and agree with Martin and say that um just let me I'll just say that you guys can jump in CU I was want to say that if you do have anybody that needs help in terms of ripping the information from the government uh on the political front let me know because I think that as you mentioned what it would take is going to definitely be a group of people that are coordinated that know what they're looking for that can jump in there and dig through the case and really bring the bring the heat honestly against some of these people because they're going to try to hide it really well and so anyway I just humbly nominate myself if you if anyone's interested Ashton um the video from the Drone was that was was that fear was that Fleer or was that that was the thermal video that was the thermal video or yeah so it's an electro IR with the overlay added on it the thermal overlay yeah okay and then do we have Fleer data on so it it most likely is a Fleer camera like these Ron cameras are like super Advanced Electro IR M mq1 or whatever so it is technically like forward facing or forward looking infrared I think yeah and then isn't isn't most forward looking infrared all like the nits videos just black white based on signatures yeah so that's where it's like the person would have had to know how the camera works and then remove that HUD data and then add that thermal layer over the top which these thermal layers I'd have to find my source for it but somebody looked into the cameras and showed that there's like a rainbow pet from those cameras they can add in there just for this but you have to put custom settings and they do it for situations like we see in the this video with the orbs and stuff so you get more intelligence about what you're looking at there to let certain stuff stand out like how we see the heat signal that's um in the monopole of the orb where you see this like partial heat signature on one side of the sphere um so just stuff like that in general is the purpose so you'd need some sort of postprocessing with the color pet or whatever so somebody would need to be intimately knowledgeable of the system itself yeah and if I was putting a team together like I would look for videos like that my guess is there's other ones out there that are classified right that are not probably in the public sphere but that you would need people who are experts that have ndas that can go through that stuff and you know I think the big question like I think Jesse you and I have talked about is like how do you get this out to the public in a safe way like given the implications of this technology and this is the last thing I'll say I don't want to uh monopolize this but you know what I tell people too is like is that a particular where people say you know the aliens come from is 40 light years away which means it would take 40 years at the speed of light to get here that's like a Generation ship right we've got if if there are be somehow visiting us they've got to be able to get here faster than that in my opinion and then if you take that technology and just think of the other implications for it like the biggest one that scares me the most is like a doomsday weapon like thinking of like the movies where the super villain comes up with a way to like destroy the planet or whatever right like that's the part that scares me about this yeah I don't know I mean as we as we spoke about uh privately like and as I said I think somebody earlier asked me if I'm Pro disclosure I was like most ly unless you can build like a you know 100,000x you know hydrogen bomb or something with like everyday materials like I don't I have no interest in uh you know if if if CLA fukes could have like not existed and like we could not be like living in this like unstable multi-polar world that we're in right now be and so um uh yeah I think if if there are implications there I'm I'm not I'm not pro that coming out but um yeah this is Tech that's unlocking of um ending the sort of scarcity Paradigm we've been in that would be awesome but yeah I don't know that that that was my main question around the the the the Fleer thing is uh uh just been doing some Reddit searching and uh people are talking about kind of you know you they're not used to seeing they're used to seeing the black and white and and oh no uh just been doing some Reddit searching and uh people are talking about kind of you know you they're not used to seeing they're used to seeing the black and white and and um it would take sort of some sort you know press the refesh processing for for that to occur but it sounds like I guess you're saying that somebody would need to be intimately knowledgeable of the camera and know how to put this sort of rainbow pallet in afterwards hello hey hey Jesse I got I got a work early in the morning so I just want to ask you a question and then bounce because I got to go to sleep if I may for sure so something that really kind of bother press you know obviously the the government is being very uh secretive they're not it's honestly a very complicated situation dude I don't even know do I mean when you add the history to this toping and everything that's happened like how the how do you you know tell the truth right and not even worrying about technology just everything lives that have been ruined you know people made to be look crazy there's a lot of baggage and uh damn it screwed up where's the thing mixer just going to pretend that like these claims are are not there like what's going on there like where is everybody like there should be an effort to try to debunk that you know and then you got like people like Chris blo um which I guess he has been getting a lot of attention but it's all like secret stuff and MH370 I don't know man but I do know there's a video out there too the turkey video of 2009 that has uh been a challenge to the bunk but yeah what's what do you think if do you think those things are important and we should keep an eye on and that's what that's do D I'm a huge fan by the way um yeah I'm going to shut up but what do you think yeah man no I I appreciate the question um and I probably got a bounce after after this one but I appreciate everyone for showing up this is awesome super spontaneous on my part and and if uh Tupa and and um uh Dr I'm gonna drop how to pronounce your name but uh uh uh if you guys want to um you know stay and and and keep doing this like go go for it but um uh yeah I uh there's so much open source stuff and I think all the things you mentioned are worthy Jesse uh I sent you a a message and I would appreciate if you read my DM thank you in the landscape of right let him answer me damn it let him just let him answer me all right um that's probably my you right so yeah that was it for that I'm sorry i m s a message SEC honestly I'm not excited about going after what's his face uh Jonas here see if he responds 12,000 no response oh should we hit him with the next video what do you guys think [Music] yeah hit him with the next video okay I don't want to hold it back I don't want to hold back gu um do it level up what was it called I don't want to make it seem like I'm holding anything back oh how come I can't hear anything after you you will just it's about this setting up everything uh everything needs to to to fit uh to be to create a good picture because if if there is something that pop out and looks you know pretty not on the same level that the rest of the picture it's it just shows there not something's going wrong and you have to and trying to to be better with your with your weaknesses and trying to fix them and trying to uh develop your skills in in the way you you still feel that you're are not that good yeah and after you you will just it's about this setting up everything uh everything needs to to to fit uh to be to create a good picture because if if there is something that pop out and looks you know pretty not on the same level that the rest of the picture it's it just shows that's not something's going wrong and you have to and trying to to be better in with your with your weaknesses and trying to fix them and trying to develop your skills in in the way you you still feel that you're are not that good yeah after you you will just it's about this setting up everything uh everything needs to to to fit uh to be to create a good picture because if if there is something that pop out and looks you know pretty not on the same level that the rest of we ch is going wrong and you have to and trying to to be better with your with your weaknesses and trying to fix them and trying to uh develop your skills in in the way you you still feel that you are not that good yeah and after you you will just it's about this setting up everything uh everything needs to to to fit uh to be to what do you think this perfect just go with this just as it is everyone says it looks good okay here's video CL back extremely Talent good boom okay we're going to destroy this guy's credibility doesn't make me feel great I mean you know gave him give him advice this is what happens when you have stuff that's damaging that comes out against you guys that you have out there on the internet you know yeah I mean I think we just yeah it is what it is what's the significance of him modifying the clouds in the background of a picture what do you think man what you think the M shows that he 100 % has the capability to AFF fake those pictures and we haven't been able to find any of these pictures on any of the torran that are out there so we're destroying his credibility it's just that's the reality of it we're just destroying his credibility people sent me these videos and I took a look at it and I said holy H crap holy crap I mean did I think there was be videos of Jonas just admitting that he can manipulate photos and that he's got pictures of him manipulating clouds and backgrounds no I don't think there would be anything out there like that but if you have this kind of skill and you happen to be the person that comes out and gets told about some pictures and then you make a debunk video what do you want me to say man he did he he didn't even reply to my message to him before he didn't reply to my message where's let's see where at here did you reply yet NPC 3431 bye look at all these people making like one like one follower accounts where where's his response man where's his response at was here looking for that response like the more he doesn't respond here the more sketchy this is actually getting this is just getting sketchier and sketchier remember uh like 30 minutes ago when Jonas wasn't responding to anyone and didn't want to make any posts and didn't want to be part of this now all of a sudden he's replying to messages within like five minutes of me making the posts he's not sleeping man Michael F you're going to get blocked buddy stop running defense for people Sony you're gone the moment you cry about being blocked you get permanently blocked like I don't have to deal with anyone I don't want in my replies act like an adult or you don't ever get to post in my replies if you can't figure it out you need to grow up The redditors Who who are furious at me are just terrible people that need to grow up man that's I'm speaking to you right now random redditors grow up stop acting like children Michael don't do damage control for people you don't have any reason to be doing damage control for he lives in Japan it's morning time Jesus man my email is MH370 xpron feel free to send me emails if you want people already posted this to Reddit in my video I thought it was people were oh somebody St they stripped the video okay that's smart that's smart wait did Jo Jay Brown post this he did I don't know if that was the best move J Brown posting it but anyway okay um yeah I can't stand Reddit red is the biggest source of disinformation on the entire planet biggest source of disinformation entire planet how have I been handling the backlash I just don't think about anybody who I don't care about pretty simple pretty simple uh it's it's late I got to go to sleep guys but it's been good sorry we didn't get to do any science tonight um I wish we could have done some science tonight guys but we ran out of time there'll be more time for science in the future uh so I appreciate you guys being out here tonight I do have a lot of stuff to go through we we doing a lot yesterday man figuring out that thing about the how uh electricity flows through space was really interesting really really interesting that was really cool so we're definitely going to do more science um tomorrow oh we didn't finish the Drone post we got sidetracked you guys made me do other stuff o this is I guess I can save this as a draft or something well I hope that works okay yeah that might work I'll save that for tomorrow we'll do the Drone deployment tomorrow guys we'll do the Drone deployment tomorrow a rewind for the debunking the debunker um let me close this what's what's Ken sign here this was from a few hours ago right yeah this was hours ago so we have not been able to find these images on any torrent the way back machine doesn't have the pictures in question uh prior to 2014 or 2016 whatever it is and then a lot of people have been telling me that Jonas is sketchy and so I got sent a video where I said take a look at this they said take a look at this clip me um so I actually very heavily relied on um photo manipulation in the beginning because I didn't so he's experiencing photo manipulation and here's a video of to here's a video of him actually manipulating a photo with clouds cloud images where the where narrator or the interviewer is actually talking about how you can't make any mistakes otherwise people will be able to identify them and he's extremely talented you can watch him look at him go just it's about this Talent setting up everything everything so the person that made this debunk video be to create picture because if if there is something that look at this how fast he is looks you know pretty he's extremely talented so the fact that this is the guy that was debunking our video after getting Anonymous post and this does not add up at all like how did somebody find this right and the weird part two is this came out after we already proved the clouds were moving and when I asked him about the clouds moving and he goes oh well that could have been easily done that's not a kind of response that somebody who doesn't know would say if I say hey there's a picture of the video the clouds moving you would go oh wow that's interesting I should check that out but he goes no that could I could easily do that like what you could easily do this you could easily do this look at the the way these clouds move this isn't just simple like shaking back and forth they're actually like becoming smaller and bigger right like this see this this isn't a blur effect or anything like that that's being overlaid over it look at this Distortion we see on the right here as well like all this minor Distortion that we see here is not is we're not looking at some still background and I actually posted this video to him he won't respond so what's going on man stop playing with wild animals L definitely wearing Sketchers and this is the part where we actually literally see the clouds moving here yeah is this one I could do that in 20 minutes like that's these VFX people like the fact that he's talking exactly like the redditors who are trying to debunk the videos is not a good sign for him not a good sign the fact that he knows the corridor crew not a good sign the fact that I'm like I'm getting weird when I was talking to him I'm getting weird Vibes and then I'm just like hey do you know the corridor crew oh yeah I've known them for 15 years I've been following their stuff like but no but no I didn't see the recent video what you didn't see the recent video okay you don't know who I am even though like you know exactly what's going on and you're making debunk videos clouds are literally moving can literally see the clouds shaking moving here oh I could do that and whip that up in five minutes you could whip that up from scratch without anything to copy from it's funny how everybody talks about how they could do it nobody does oh it's not worth my time with that this accurate at this accurate Distortion atmospheric inter or not or this accurate interference in the background first movie he worked on was Cloud Atlas yeah I mean it doesn't look good for him it's called discrediting someone it's called just discrediting someone last night the final nail was driven into the coffin for these airplane disappearance videos a user on Reddit found the original amazing a user on Reddit amazing the the corridor crew has made a a short about it already what a coincidence guys what if they should I think Nico this douchebag this guy's like one of the biggest idiots on the face of Earth I made him look like a jackass like literally got every single thing wrong that he claimed in the in a gotcha piece about me and then sat on a couch like an trying to make fun of me like Nico I hope you're okay I'm not g to say anything mean I'm not I could say mean stuff to you but background images on textures.com amazing how Co how coincident is it props to Ashton for finally conceding but Ren knew all along when he said it's a still frame it's a it's a still frame guys it's a still frame is it a still frame guys what do you think guys is it is it a Ste frame what do you think Nico you out there is it a Ste frame Nico is there a Ste frame what does this say on the screen here what do you think chat is Ren correct in the background with his uh Jordi Le Forge glasses wannabe on this is why you don't listen to idiots on YouTube folks this is why you don't listen to idiots like Ren and Nico and whatever Jordy lege is talking about guys so just a heads up this is why you don't listen to them this is why you come to your own opinions right let's play them off let's play them off before we go to sleep tonight guys let's play them off let's show Corridor crew attempted Recreation and our official response to their Recreation I'll end it with this tonight guys actually I'm going to play this no I'm I'm going to do it directly from here's our official response to quter Crews best possible Recreation of the videos folks this is their skills let's watch oh look at that wow that looks just just like our videos oh wait no it doesn't look anything like our videos just a doesn't look anything like them I'm gonna have to have a talk with my nephew wait whoa whoa you know what I want to see it the video is not show it to me it's not it's not working don't what an interesting thing that Nico Nico and the cter crew know the the guy that we were just talking about Jonas knows them that's the whole thing did your nephew make that Nico did your nephew make that o cringe that's a that's their best Recreation possible best this is the corridor crew's best create recreation in the videos guys what do you think exact match is this what the jury just saw I'm gonna that's the whole thing unfortunately yes that is not what the whole thing was supposed to be Not only was the animation so poor but it glitched and just froze up that's the face of someone you can trust folks that's the face of someone you can trust so again we only saw like five or six seconds worth of video but it it was crazy it was absolutely crazy it's like the the defendant smoke Trail wasn't even similar they had 5 Seconds of whatever garbage that was I'll just say that video it's these guys are called the McDonald's of VFX artists right and there's a reason for that because it's trash anyway uh so I'm going to play us off with the MH 370 [Music] track breaking news tonight A Malaysia Airlines flight with two 239 people on board including four Americans has gone missing I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita Vishnu is trying to persuade the prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on multi-armed form and says now I am become death the destroyer of worlds there we go folks hope you had a good night uh I know I had a good night it was fun we're back to being spicy you like it um thanks a lot everybody for hanging out tonight yeah that that one's sick man that's alien addict guys I hung out with them for a little bit today U make sure you check out the uh investigate Earth podcast for my latest thoughts on the situation right here make sure you check this out it's a good interview with them they're my favorite people honestly out there we are not going to give up until we get an answer from the government uh I don't care how many uh Millennial uh YouTubers uh don't like it but if they're convinced the videos are fake then there's no reason why the government cannot come out and uh say so so