MH370x - Welcome to the UFO Community X Space

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# MH370x - Welcome to the UFO Community X Space just Sal or a a summary of it um and I guess I want to know what do you think it would take for the government to actually confirm some of this stuff and what are the negative consequences that could come out of this we've talked about all the cool possibilities of this but I'm just wondering you know are there any negatives that could come of this and uh is it something that we should you know keep in mind um when seeking out all this information about uaps and and orbs and and and the technology to I mean teleport essentially so yeah I just I just wanted to ask that that's it yeah uh thanks period sorry I don't know what your name is um no great question great first question right off the bat um you know first of all from the investigative standpoint um we've uncovered some pretty cool things recently um I think the biggest thing is probably uh this uh Maas Chang guy so for a lot of people who don't know uh Maas Chang was is a lawyer in Malaysia he might be in jail right now I don't think he is but um he was uh political adviser to uh prime minister maer who is I think probably the longest standing Malaysian prime minister in the history of that country um and he was prime minister multiple times so if there's anybody who would be in the no it's going to be a guy like him and when you listen to a lot of stuff he says I don't think he necessarily knows about orbs and teleportation but maybe he does because one thing that we found out we found this interview with him that was posted I believe on the 17th of April in 2014 and then one week later there was an article about how he's like sending these hints to Alternative media saying that the truth of what happened to the plane would you know cause like Global it have Global repercussions from in a broad sense um and that he was also saying that Malaysia had been given some evidence that they that they couldn't reveal as as a um in order to actually just receive the evidence they had to come to an agreement that they would not reveal anything um with respect to your question about what it all means I think that orb these orbs and whatever we've been seeing in ufology for a while right like I've probably been seeing them in ufology for I don't know three or four years at least um stuff like the mozzle orb um like the video that I posted the other day that was supposedly of Area 51 there's a couple others as well that I'd seen from various airplanes one was supposedly from a plane from Atlanta where you see these three orbs a lot of times it's three of them I used to think that it was like the black triangles but people have kind of corrected me that that's not necessarily the case like the tr3b and stuff like that is different um but to your point of the implications man the implications are huge right like this implications of this type of Technology are gigantic and that's part of what I want my role in ufology to be is to push that conversation forward is we have to be thinking outside the box of not just aliens um not just crash retrievals but what is the technology actually imply for our future um and our future as a civilization you know in my mind it can lead to our destruction I think I've been pretty clear about that and one thing that I've always struggled with is fmy Paradox and the great filter which is the idea of when why when we look into the sky do we not see civilizations everywhere right there should be if if civilizations just get more and more advanced there should be civilizations all over um but we look up we see nothing pretty much so to me The Logical conclusion which is a scary one is that any sufficiently advanced civilization finds out about this technology finds out about it's not just teleportation you you know we can have cloaking we can have basically force fields like you can have in Star Trek you can have uh doomsday weapons right free energy as well and maybe if you reach that level of advancement you know it's um all the negative aspects of humanity take over you know and uh the greed the violence the infighting uh maybe if those things went out then maybe we always just end up destroying ourselves or any civilization does so that's what I think we need to be talking about because we have to figure out how do we avoid that how do we prevent ourselves from becoming just another civilization and the great filter does that answer your question you have follow-ups that does um you know I think it's it is important to to think of both sides of the coin I mean let's say they do come out and say hey look we have this technology uh MH370 was transported teleported to a bunker under that uh what whatever island is out there um blah blah blah you're going to have people coming out of the woodwork saying hey whoever's you know parents or friends or whoever's died on an airplane crap I mean you're going to have people coming out saying you could have saved them you could have prevented 911 you could have prevent I mean it's going to be endless with that kind of stuff so hey chat I'm just I understand like the principle of maybe we should all just zero out and go you know uh truth telling from this point on and and kind of have like a tort reform where you can't sue the government because they didn't save so and so but I mean you're you know there's going to be a lot of upheaval that inevitably just comes with that information in my opinion not not not to say that I don't want it all to come out I mean I'm Pro disclosure for pretty much anything I think it's it's better to be in the no um in just about everything especially when it comes to our reality right um but again how we handle it and like you said you know if we if we leave it to the government to create a panel and disseminate information over the course of years and you it's just going to build up this frustration and and confusion and so I just don't know the best way to um to to let that information come out to where we don't all just eat each other but yeah I appreciate it again thanks for answering my question yeah and I want to say that this is exactly kind conversation I want so um you know this is this space is meant to be kind of a in uh I guess a welcome for me to be in the community I don't think everybody will be happy that I am now officially in the UFO Community I mean it's just a proclamation I made but uh this is that's the kind of conversation I think we want to have but I'm glad the fact that you're thinking about it at all is awesome um because yeah those are some of the implications and that's just you know this idea that we can move faster than the speed of light right and that's just the implications of that small aspect of it but the part that you nailed on which is what are going to be the ramifications for the people that have been hiding this and not just beyond that but or and beyond that it's what you know what are the ramifications of what this is doing to people lying about it right is that we've come this world and Society especially in ufology you see where like nobody can believe anything to be real and people have become so skeptical they just think that everything is possibly fake and the conversations that I want to be having are not trying to put people down for stuff they believe you know maybe Bigfoot is out there I don't care I'm never going to go yell at somebody because they think Bigfoot's out there maybe they are right um I want people to be feel comfortable to present their evidence and their ideas of what they think's happening um and maybe we do have to have some kind of amnesty right for the government that's been lying about this because I I don't think they're going to admit to it without it because I think a lot of people you know they're going to have a lot on the line um and yeah you know people will say like why don't you come and save my plane right why don't you save uh this or that or I mean the bigger part is like why are you not giving us free energy right why why do we have people homeless on the street when we have enough energy and power we could just you know give everybody somewhere to live and um you know I think that a lot of those geopolitical implications are just so large that you know part of it's probably the elites who are trying to keep that technology for themselves or what have you but the other part of it is like just think about how do you even begin to disclose some of that stuff right it's just so Paradigm shifting um and I want to go ahead and at this point say if people want to come up and speak uh just go ahead and request I want this to be a somewhat open form um this isn't necessarily just about MH370 in general um you know I'm going to probably end up hosting more spaces where people just talk about um aspects of UFOs conspiracies uh aliens I'm just going to call them like they are by the way as well I'm not going to I'm done with the UAP stuff we're just calling them UFOs not we don't need to call them non-human intelligence we can just call them aliens um anything else that people want to discuss uh around the topic and um what's out there so I want this to be kind of uh a space where people feel comfortable discussing those types of aspects and and implications of it um and I also don't want to be typ cast as a MH370 guy although I I I like to think that I'm at least somebody who's trying to push that conversation forward as well because like I said in my message today um that's what I want you know I want I want to get truth and justice for the families right and I don't think that can ever happen until we get the disclosure that we need from these other aspects as well I also want to say that I'm not necessarily going to be I'm not trying to replace anybody that's out there I know a lot of people think um David grush is their hero he's my hero too is the honest aspect like I think that what he says is true uh about UFOs uh also probably about alien bodies as well um and I think that just if you look and you see how he's been treated you'll realize that it's uh it's it's a tough road we've got here you know we have a lot of people that we've got to slowly convince that this type of stuff is real so uh what else do we have out there um who wants to jump up feel free to request I also need a co-host just in case my uh computer crashes that would be great um but while we're waiting for that dot did you have any other uh thoughts on on that front cuz I thought people were asking they thought you were pretty introspective there I'm also live streaming at the same time here H well um this is something that I I think about a lot uh arguably too much but I know that there is a facet of this stuff that is with the Department of energy um you know and the free energy stuff that that is I mean you're talking about disrupting you know trillions of dollars of an part of the economy and and in world trade and and uh but let's get back to to the the stigma I I want to address that real quick whenever I bring it up to people and and friends and family members and my dog and literally everybody else it everyone seems to say that you know look I I still got to pay my rent tomorrow uh I haven't seen any proof or um you know why why haven't they landed on the White House lawn and stuff like that and it you know there are certain people that you're not you're just not going to be able to get through you know and and those people are fine they're happy they're comfortable they're in a they're in a a a routine that they want to stay in and that's great and I think you know pushing this subject too hard um may have the opposite effect of what the community would like but at the same time I mean people have been researching and going over this stuff for decades I mean there are a lot of people older than me and older than yourself that are like finally you know at least we get some traction here and and they're ready for this all to come out and um I just want to make sure we do it in a way that is fast and quick and to the point and direct and not dancing around it but at the same time I don't want people's heads to explode I mean there is such a thing where I mean your mind can literally crack you know if if it's too Paradigm shifting and if you if it's too heavy if it's you know all this stuff about interdimensional and religions being made up to to prevent us from eating each other and this and stuff I mean that can really mess with you know the state uh with with somebody's mind and and and so I think it's it's just as important of of how we tell and how we get this information out as the information itself um but yeah that's no I think you're 100% right it definitely can break people's minds I want to um introduce and welcome tupacabra and red panda two of my favorite space hosts that are going they they're co-hosting me here now thank you guys do you guys have anything you want to jump in and say real quick yo how's it going uh I totally agree one thing I always try and like a mental game I play with myself is uh what would quote unquote the reality of the phenomenon have to be to make you the person listening like like you yourself not just like a collective VI cosign like murdering people to keep the secret because I do think that has happened especially since like the 40s and multiple people who have come into positions of power have like come to that like question in their own mind so maybe just for the room and just a just a thing to think about what would it have to be to make you cosign the cover up you know what I mean yeah Tupa what do you think about that what do you think it would have to how deep would it have to go in order to get you to drive you to murder oh it have to be bananas I think it would have to include um the danger the number one like the availability of the common person to get their hands on it and to create it and to utilize it and take advantage of it um if it was something like that where like it's like a dam if it breaks it breaks you know and the danger would be like it would have to amplify people's negative um potential you know what I mean as much as the positive where I think we we often think about like oh you know having this Tech would cure cancer would do all these things and you know maybe rightfully so but at the same time if it's something that could could have anyone who was angry blow up the city block that's not that great either so I can see the so yeah the potential for danger would have to be really high so like I always said oh are you saying that like uh the weight of the majority outweighs the the few is that tune villain you know what I mean like it's just all negative intentions you know it has to we have to get the truth out it it forces us to really question that I think that's really cool yeah and I'll say some people have told me behind the scenes that people have been killed over this stuff I've wondered myself you know um if that's true or not and I mean I believe it but you you do like have to think about the question like what would drive people to do that and I want to um welcome UAP Mike up here uh I know that we haven't seen eye to eye but you are somebody in this community who uh you know has a voice and has been out there for a long time so I want to hear your thoughts as well U Mike what what do you think would take what would it take you to justify the government silencing people let's let's put it nicely over this type of topic I'm curious with your thoughts oh first of thank you for having me ashon and I'm I'm I I like the topics here this open for yeah so uh coverup wise I would say um I I think the issue is we we see the uh cover up issue as the public being denied access to information but I think the real lay of the land is you know they're denying information to the public to the adversaries and to the alien intelligence so I we we have a tendency to not see ourselves in an active War this is an active War our airspace is being invaded people are being taken I mean um our nuclear warheads are being armed by these things very possibly so this is a this is a war scenario and if you think of any other time War type scenario you know betrayal of information is treason and they kill you for that [ __ ] yeah it's true yeah no that's definitely true I mean I think I like your approach and terms of this is a war right and it's some degrees it's an information War but in other ways like it's just an actual War like you know just think of pick your favorite adversary like North Korea right like if these uaps are visiting us or if they've always been here regardless this technology is out there then it's a it's a battle for who controls it because even a small country like North Korea right could dominate the world if they have Supremacy over this type of Technology that's out there um so good thought thoughts on that uip mic I'm also just curious is um what is your opinion on what the nature of the phenomenon is I'm just curious no judgment I you know it's really hard to tell um um I'm either in two schools depending on which way the wind is blowing either this is a simulation and we're running in you know all the levels of different kind of phenomena we're seeing is just the intelligence messing with us or like Co Cosmic Consciousness is a thing uh the teaming with life um and we're dealing with good bad and indifferent aliens uh and then probably something spiritual and far beyond ET hypothesis also it's a lot of stuff going on then cool thanks for the the feedback and uh feel free to jump in whatever you want uh oh John straighter is up here man uh hey John John you were the X Games guy right yeah awesome we got a we got a celebrity here guys with John ster stop it go ahead what's up buddy Infamous at worst um okay so I agree with what Mike just said 100% so you know I I believe that there is a war going on and that we're in the middle and so you know but I I think that that there's nothing that will make me kill for the secret what would make me personally kill would be the threat to me or those closest to me I'm not a military person I never I'm not an order taker I couldn't sit there and be ever in the military or anything even remotely close to that because as soon as you start telling me what to think how to go what to do I do the opposite so I could never do that but to me the easiest the simplest reason they kill the simplest reason is just straight up the money I mean this is trillions of [ __ ] dollars people get killed over nothing all the time so when I look at the people that the all the 19 three-letter agencies and all of the different uh multitudes of you know uh defense contractors and people who have their fingers in the pie and that's before we even that's just before we even leave America so I think there's lots of reasons to kill and that's that's the problem is that because we are trying to use this technology instead of to better the world we're trying to use it specifically for weapons and as long as you only have a weapons only focus on this reverse engineering that's all it's going to be is killer killing more killing more killing and and so that I I just don't see how that stops because it's in the hands of the people who build weapons to kill that's all it's about they want to use the technology for murder yeah as Fallout uh quote goes war war never changes right it's always about uh weapons and I think even looking at uh the John uh God I just forgot the the dark journalist interview um you guys probably for some reason his names uh John Warner John Warner yeah even him like he said you know that that's the part that really caught me is he say you know the Deep State doesn't care about the bodies and the crafts right that that might just be peanuts for the masses I mean maybe we care about that kind of stuff right but what they care about is the military Supremacy their ability to turn it into weapons and I think that's the scary part where we have to kind of uh overcome that in general um real quick for my co-host if you guys want to bring people up that either request or people that you just want to come up and speak uh I want this to be an open form for anyone who wants to speak regardless if you agree disagree like or hate me I think that I just want there to be conversation out there um and I'm glad that we can have that here um someone from the stream asked which is uh somewhat similar a tangent to what we were just talking about why do we think the military is so incompetent the US military in this case if we have alien Technologies is it because it's rather uh it's they'd rather uh make weapons manufacturers Rich um and I think that's kind of an maybe you guys can tackle that from any perspective you want maybe as kind of a leading I would say maybe what they're getting at here is um you know why do we have all these wars out there if we have this kind of Technology that's out there and there is this impression that the US military is incompetent I don't know if that's maybe just an assumption that we make um because I don't know that we've been in any major Wars really um at least not so much in my lifetime but what what are your guys thoughts on that you know why why is the military the way that it is if we have alien techn te ology that can you know basically reshape the world yeah I think it kind of TAPS into what we're talking about too I think they haven't solved it I think they probably know where the N right but I think there's still a lot they don't know and they're and I can kind of understand what they're saying too with like you don't want your adversary to know what you know or don't know when you're trying to reverse engineer this Tech and if we think about it in the terms of like the Manhattan Project where grush and others have said like the framework for secrecy was based on that um they murdered people over that stuff right like the Rosen BS and whatnot that are executed so they take that seriously and to the earlier Point too I was just going to say something real quick I agree with Mike Mike's brought this point I wonder if we if we reach a critical mass of like knowledge on this stuff if like we're a farm right and then they just restart the farm or something kind of like a Tower of Babble situation like once you get too close they'll just flip switch and start it all over yeah the gur and Logan scenario for my anime um nerds like myself that are out there I think that one still creeps me out this idea that we get to a technological maybe Singularity or point where it's like oh you guys got a little too little too much technology gonna have to go start you back over from the Stone Age uh what do other people think John uh and you guys can either just jump in or put your hands up either way I try to put my hand up when I can't um you know for me it's like I feel like that what red just said you know that's a [ __ ] excuse when they're like well we can't tell the American people because then we'll be tell our adversaries well first of all nothing they will tell us is classified so they're not going to be leaking to anything that China or Russia don't already [ __ ] know those guys have spies in all those agencies so to use the excuse that they can't tell us anything because they don't want to tell Russia or China That's Just Stupid so I I don't buy that ever that's I will never buy that excuse but to me it's like look if you want to tell the American people you're using this you know advanced technology to make weapons well who are we using the weapons against are we making these weapons to just use against more humans or are you building technology to fight back against these races I mean that's one of the things that Lou did say is like hey you know what if by disclosing this predicates some sort of action on their part and I do think about stuff like that because you know they're here they're doing [ __ ] there's multiple things here they're doing [ __ ] and they don't want us to know and they're clandestinely doing it so you know that is sketchy whether it's the you know zookeeper hypothesis or whether it's the they're dominating us or we're food or they Zoo it doesn't [ __ ] matter the point is whatever they're doing they want to keep it secret and so does everyone who wants to be involved and there's reasons for that but I don't give a [ __ ] I I think the only way to move the world moves forward is to move forward and to push through this secrecy and to me like I had a 5-Hour conversation with my mom who's hyper religious and could never have this conversation in the past but it's just because I'm like look you know we can't keep burying our [ __ ] heads in the sand and just pretending it's not real and and to me it's like we got to get past this as a race and that means there'll be some meltdowns that means some people's stocks will go down or the oil who whatever I don't [ __ ] care because whatever that disruption is is better than the apocalypse and that's what they're pushing us to it's a [ __ ] self-fulfilling Christian dogmatic apocalypse narrative that the people in the Pentagon and the Air Force who believe this [ __ ] they're the ones with their fingers on the weapons so when you believe the apocalypse is coming because you want to go fly up to Jesus and you're the one with the [ __ ] the alens are saying it you though buttons then you know then you're gonna make it happen I I feel like we are pushing ourselves to the brink what what if it's not what if it's not up to us what if it's up to the nhi to disclose what if we have no control over disclosure and two what if the military has some sort of contract well hey you can do experiments with 1,500 Americans a year and you exchange you know give us some cool [ __ ] that we can protect ourselves with I mean those are two scenarios that you know um that's exactly hey hey Dot hey Dot can I can I interject for a second who is the military who do they represent who pays them can you answer me that I that couldn't agree more it's definitely us the American people but you know it is also their job to prevent panic and I think oh God damn you totally took the wrong course on that no I I disagree all right let's hear they do not represent us you and me as brothers in any kind of U any kind of uh uh humanistic uh sense no no no no they represent uh being paid to kill period think about that I I I'm gonna mute myself but I'm telling you think about what I just said the military the US whatever you want to uh they don't represent any of us okay this is a criminal conspiracy with Jack booted Thugs who are paid with false money to kill just like what's going on now in isn't real and Gaza yeah I mean that's kind of a blanket statement but you know there is an aspect that's true to that but I do enjoy being able to go to dinner and not have to worry about missiles flying over my head so whoever they're representing it you know it's been working out so far yeah let's go uh to some other uh thoughts um Hermes or I think I can't know I don't know if Hermes or James as well we'll go Hermes and then James go ahead also we have a lot of quest so we're Rec cycling three people so just why oh hey uh thanks yo uh hey Ashton I think this is the first time we've actually talked I don't know but uh it's good seeing a red pan in tup as well uh yeah I just wanted to comment on uh something that depes asked earlier about the military uh why the US military seems incompetent and why it doesn't seem like this technology is getting prated out now uh I'm a vet I served in the Canadian Forces for over a decade and I've had many many interactions with the US military as I'm a specialist when it comes to weapon systems and we used to help the there's something called this uh SEC subcommander course that happens like almost every year over near uh in San yeah San Diego and one of the tasks this is just for me to set the bar for the type of Technology I'm talking about the US military has some of has the most advanced nuclear submarines in the world and they're supposed to be completely invisible completely silent and undetectable now for them to pass their subcommander course they have to get away from me a Canadian with a a canz a Canadian tot R sonar sensor that is able to detect those frequencies that are supposed to be invisible to your military now this is where we get into an issue with technology and the loss of that technology most of the stuff is getting scrapped now most of these old analog systems are all being replaced by digital systems that no longer can actually operate within the ranges that they need to operate within and it's a very concerning situation because everything's gotten so specialized that you the mil for example the US military has vending machine technicians their only job is to fix vending machines like that's insane and there's plenty more of that but I just wanted to put that out there to let everyone know that it is not just the technicians that are working on your systems that are working on all of your weapons that are being sent out we've all been pushed out we've all been taken over by private corporations where they bring in Specialists to replace us and that's what's been happening so all these guys that I know that are old hands that are Masters at their trades are all just watching on the sidelines and we're all screwed over because we can't get help through uh veterans agencies and this is how they tie us up so we can't there's not much we can do because our own ndas just screw us over and we we want to help and I'm I'm talking to a bunch of people and we're trying to figure out what to do but that's the best I can get for that stuff I hope that straights stuff out for you guys yeah a couple points I want to bring up on that one is first of all this is part of the reason why I respect veterans so much and I work with them all the time actually it's part of my real job um is that you know it's it's a tough life I think that just as um kind of dichotomy from what was said earlier about the military is trying to kill people and The Business of killing people it's got to be tough because you got to remember there's individuals on the on the front lines who are the veterans right and this is why they have such uh and to some degree s such issues from a psychological perspective is that you know it's not just this this body the military it's made up of individuals who have to carry out these orders and do things that in some cases are going to be morally gray right right and uh so we got to remember that you know so yes well it's easy to just vilify all of the military it's we have to also remember that there's individuals in the front line and then the corporations too it almost becomes like this dystopian future where these corporations especially these ones that are like locki Martin and uh Boeing and um I mean I couldn't have realized how many there are north of Grumman um you guys can probably name a few others as well battel Institute these are all companies that are getting billions of dollars from the government this is why we can't pass any audits right because we can't tell people what we're investigate what we're investing in ETC um so her me's good thoughts on that uh does anyone have a response before we go to James if not James go ahead hey guys um oh I'm also just dumping down sorry cool thanks Hermes yeah I just wanted to throw my thoughts in there I've been listening to a lot of Tom Bearden talk about this and I don't know if anybody listens to American Academy the YouTube channel but they had a recent one where they were talking about the anomalies and the connection between spiritual experiences of uh different Christian I can't remember monks or something like that from the past but my understanding of this is that the way to bring everything out whether it's the free energy or whether it's the phenomena is um basically just to let the floodgates open I mean people have been experiencing and um inventing different ways to come across these things throughout history I think that if we just get a couple cracks in the dam everything will come out yeah no I agree I mean it's to the point too right where and this kind of leads into another question that I wanted to pose for people um which is like what would it actually take right like I feel like it's a situation where like you said once the floodgates are open this is a Pandora's Box it's not it's not going to close itself back off again but what do you guys actually think it would take for the Casual Observer to really believe in the phenomenon to believe that there are aliens that are either visiting us have been here the whole time like where do you guys think that bar even is at this point my thought is that it would probably like I don't think even if we had like literal aliens talking to President Joe Biden people would be like nah that's been CGI or something right like they say that's a deep fake I'm curious what you guys think or we can just yeah go for it I'll take a good question reminds me of a book I think it's called childhood End by Arthur C Clark where aliens show up they're in like these ships but they don't show themselves for a long time and by the time they do cancers have been cured dreams have come true people love the aliens and then they see them and they look like demons like red skin dragon wings like it it's really interesting and the changes that they enact are so great but so personal that people like have a hard time rejecting it or accepting it on its face so I don't know it's kind of the question reminds me of that like it seems like it would have to be a personal effect because like you said people are they're going to deny the videos they're going to deny the science it has to affect them personally you know be an observation yeah that's a good point going to need something like the movie arrival where 12 of them just come at all different parts of the world with these massive craft and land and maybe don't you know come in with fireworks but pretty damn obvious yeah 100% I agree with all that uh in the old days because I've been around this for a very very very long time before AI before all the fake news before all that it would have taken a presidential you know speech like a declaration but now no one would I mean PE some people would believe I think you get M people but really it will have to be some sort of unambiguous Mass sighting that that is just captured by so many people that that just can't be denied or Faked and that's I re I really feel that way that that's where we're at yeah that's sad though right is it like we're talking about need an arrival situation where a dozen ships have to come out simultaneous ly where everybody sees it like but I I think I agree with you guys I mean we've even had stuff even in the last week I think where it's like there's been tons of you know lights or anomalous stuff and you know it still all gets explained away you know so I'm not even sure like it really would have to be like a signs or a Ral scenario where it's like everybody's seeing it and then even then I I don't know and definitely I agree too I just don't think even a presidential decree would be good enough at this point I think that's sadly that's not going be enough anymore maybe 20 years ago but not anymore uh let's see uh Ralph uh or actually I don't know who's next we'll go to Ralph and then we'll go to midin feel free to bring up whatever you guys want and also hey welcome shy Keenan I see you there Roy I see you lurkin out here my man hey everybody I think right now we're in an interesting situation where the older generation the quote unquote boomers are for the lack of a better word dying off um so I I think that was the generation that would you know be giving the most push back andal can you hear him uh oh nope I can't hear Ralph all right let me drop down I'll come back up I guess m until then yeah M gen you go ahead we'll bring Ralph back up hey guys um so what I think is going on with like U the weaponization of the technology um it's kind of like a self- fulfilling fulfilling prophecy um if you uh take the tech and use it to build uh more powerful weapons that's only going to make you know adversaries more Cy and more wary of your actions um I think um as a planet we have to be able to NE negotiate better with ourselves instead of like building bigger weapons um to centralize um Power um I think the people that are working in these Technologies and developing the weapons um they are operate on fear on fear of not being able to negotiate with adversaries um so this is what creates the the global tension and this perpet perpetuates like the you know uh who has a bigger weapon has the power um and this has to really disappear um in order for us to come together and be able to um maybe use this technology for for the betterment of the planet um but that that's not going to come until we come to terms with our differences and I think that's a big part in you know solving all of this we have to really let go of things that aren't helping us like the wars like the the focusing on our our religious or our differences and that's really taking a toll on our you know our ability to advance and that's really how disclosure will will happen I think it will happen when we really realize that we don't have to go to war we don't have to fight against each other um and um I think once we do that once we're in that state of consciousness we're going to be able to um go up in like the ladder of you know being able to accept that there are beings out there and there are beings out there that may be evil and there are beings out there that may be good um yeah I just think that we we have really basic things to resolve like violence in order for us to advance do you think that's reasonable do you think that'll happen in anyone's lifetimes and because it's it's really go ahead yeah um how I see it right now I don't see it happening with the current state but I think that um the first step is to let know people that they have more power than they think um the second we decide not to go War um the the second we realize that we really have the control and the the biggest s up is that we think that our leaders quote unquote or or our oppressors have the power it's just because we are failing ourselves to really use our power how we how we should use it um right now people are focusing too much on the [ __ ] and uh we have more power than we think and if we do use that we can shorten shorten the timeline for um claiming our place in the planet and in the universe yeah and I was going to say maybe the technology is one of the Avenues to that right because if you tell people hey here's this technology that can reshape the world that can change your circumstances like I think the what people were saying earlier is you know you make it personal you make it about them well here you go here's uh room temperature super conductivity now you can fly around on hoverboards and hover cars you know maybe if we you know get to that route then people will say okay well I guess sure aliens can be real too and we can find a common purpose and realize that all these wars that we're fighting in are just young people dying for no reason but I know just thought yeah uh I agree um I do think that um something like that could work um but also something that we should pay attention to is we have to release attention from our leaders and the from the people that think that oh um for example some people U you can't you can't negotiate with so that's the thing that happens when you think someone is so unnegotiable um that your thoughts radicalize and you think that the only way forward is to do something really radical like you know uh make a really uh powerful weapon so you can control the other people and um we have to let go of that thought and be able to want to at least negotiate with other people and adversaries and people that we deem as unnegotiable so we can come to to an agreement of just um at least nonviolence I think that's the first step yes sadly we don't go to war because we have to normally we go to war because we want to and until that changes I mean good Lord you know it it's going to be tough to get that out yeah we go to war for money too right because companies want us to even the days of bush and Iraq it was all halberton making you know millions of the the company's names change but the story stays the same you know at least after through my life hey welcome Keem star to the chat how's it going buddy nice to have you here good good uh I I just literally got here so unfortunately I can't add to any conversation because I didn't I didn't hear it but uh thank you guys yeah yeah no we're having a little welcome to the uh UFO community and the reason why I didn't really necessarily need you to opine just yet but uh you know you've been somebody who has used your influence to uh kind of get insights now into the UFO Community which is why I kind of feel like I have a little bit of a kindred spirit in that sense where I've I'm also kind of new to it um but I think that's what we need we need people who are large influencers out there getting involved listening to these conversations because it takes people like that in order for uh the masses to start to believe that oh there is maybe something to this so just wanted to thank you real quick and um let's jump over to Ralph I think you were talking before I got a quick point I want to make oh yeah go jump in just real quick the I I hear this often this idea that like humans must fight their nature in order to like overcome you know our violent uh Behavior or or evilness whatever and it it sounds like repackaged um original sin you know what I mean like this concept that like humans were made flawed and we have to like you know always try our best best to attain a higher position um and I wonder if are we like anthropomorphizing this this concept of what these aliens could want like our warlike Behavior might be the best thing about us we don't know right like it could be the thing that keeps us alive but yeah I wonder are we putting too much of our own ideas and our own judgments about ourselves onto aliens yeah maybe we're the Imperium in Warhammer 40,000 or whatever like the bloodthirsty monsters but maybe our aggression and our our VI and our anger is a virtue in the dangerous universe that's out there you know so I think that it is important to think of it from both all perspectives you know a lot of times we want to think oh peace is great right but what if that makes us vulnerable you know we should also be cautious of that as well and we should also think that oh maybe this is what the military is thinking in terms of why they're hiding it it's like maybe they're like oh let's just say hypothetically there is being out there and they are super Advanced like okay we better catch up we better figure out how this works right we better be ready um I don't know just good thoughts there Tupa Ashton hello yeah hey how's it going is that Mary Louise yes I I wanted to jump in there's just so many things that everybody's saying um first of all uh getting back to the military the military is divided into two two there's the military that's working for the good and I don't want to get political because I'm I don't want to do that but one that's was working and very closely with Trump then there's the other that is working with the um the ETS and it all goes back when isenhower uh met with them three times they wanted to meet with the president he was playing golf uh out in California and so he he goes and he meets uh with a group of the Grays and then that they didn't sign because he wanted the tech they want wanted to abduct because their species is dying so they they want to you know have more of themselves because they're coming from a planet that I guess uh is dying and they want Earth because that's that's they want to conquer and divide and conquer that's what their agenda they have a big agenda but anyway on the third uh time that he met with them it was at Hollman Air Force Base I think it's an Air Force Base that's where grea treat treaty was signed and he they didn't um really they didn't do what was he wanted them to do he said I want a list of the people that you're how many people people that you're abducting and they didn't want to do that they said yes and see they lie and they didn't want to do that so they never gave him a list or all they wanted was they also mutilate the cows and the because they're using the um the different organs and everything because that's what they do the reptilians by the way are working with the military the the group that's and they're all in the Dums they're underground Dolce is where the DNA all you have to do they're doing things on um our you know DNA to create hybrids so all you have to do if you if you U listen to or pull up Phil Schneider he'll tell you all about it because he was shot by one of the reptilians and D say it's down so far deep at eight levels and there's the eighth level is where the reptilians are and that's the the worst part of DOL and that's where uh he was um I think shot but um and they do they they live off humans the uh adrenal glands and the organs and uh I know just real quick can I just uh can I ask a quick question related to that CU you got a lot to unpack here but what I want to ask is what do you think we should do about all of what you're telling us about right now like what do you think our approach should be Ashton I have been following this for 20 or third well more than 20 years 30 years and I followed different people and and um I wish I could say what right now the reptilians that's what they want they want Earth and and really we're martians because that's that's why Mars was there was a big battle up there so they the they lost Mars so the anunaki so they come down here and and they and so what we are we're the slaves and they're the ones telling us what to do and they have the they will couple of your um speakers there were right when they said that these uh that they murder they kill if you don't follow what they want you to do they'll just get rid of you a lot of our military have been killed because of them and um they're not we have good there's good ETS like the plans but then when you talk about the Draco the Draco the Draco are the serpents they're the ones they're the reptilians that actually look like you know they have the scales some of them shape shift not all of them but some of them do and they have the scales they you know and they do they have an odor uh they say that that level that eighth level of dul is is terrible and um they and they how they even eat the humans it's the some of the organs but they'll be Vats I followed one person who actually was in some of these Dums and he said there's Vats huge Vats of blood and this is the blood they take when they do the killing of the children or adults or whatever this is when some ades are you they they erase their memory because they don't want them to come back when they bring them back to wherever they abducted them they don't want them to reveal but a lot of them they if they don't do a very good job I guess because there's I've SE seen a lot of documentaries with abductees and believe me they said well it's the Barney Hill remember New Hampshire husband and wife that were uh taken up and both of them were assaulted and uh we're very familiar with the Betty and Barney Hill case now uh before we before we crack into an entirely new case though is it cool if we get to some other hands I think you might have SP I want to know what um keemstar thinks about the Draco and the reptilians um and okay the sorry Mary I appreciate it but we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna go to some other hands real quick and then we can come back to you ke go ahead I was gonna say I mean extraordinary claims uh require like extraordinary proof and all that um and I don't want to shut anyone down I want to hear everyone and you know hear what they think or whatever but uh I'd really like to hear some more proof on it because I I've seen similar stuff I've seen how um they allegedly did a deal with Eisenhower to go into the state parks and they can take only people from the state parks and that's why there's the Missing 411 I've seen all this stuff but proof like how do I how do I even begin to believe this like Mary why do you believe yeah Mary what what uh what what makes you believe on that I think the part that I was curious about is that uh you know the the non-humans being uh visiting with like Trump and other leaders um you know are there just some documentaries that you know you've seen related to that or you know what uh what convinces you in general Ancient Aliens Ancient Aliens yeah so I mean the alien guy imagine if all this stuff is real we owe that guy a big apology right the guy with the the hair and what have you on that show dud for real we we owe massive apology yeah and ashon to your point um if you want something for that thing specifically about like interacting with politicians there is the leaked quote unquote a tip slide nine you might hear referenced a lot and Chris melon leaked that he's been kind of like a main grer of this whole post 2017 disclosure push and it did say there that the nhi could influence world leaders which was a pretty uh interesting thing that he leaked yeah no and I mean think that you I'm not even against that idea right I just think that that's one of those things that just seems so incredible that um but you know if there are these non-human intelligent beings out there sorry aliens that have this advanced technology then sure the sky is the limit frankly but you know I think that uh for normies out there we got to take it one step at a time um and I don't mean to shut you down Mary but I'm just I'm trying to keep the conversation flowing here um can I talk about the proof part yes please so I okay so uh what's your name ke Keem star sorry I don't know who you are um you know I I I've been around this my whole life and and and I'm older than you guys so for a long time at the UFO conferences I used to be the UFO kid so now I'm happy that I'm the old man and that there's so much Youth and passion of people getting into this but this is like where I mean I never have talked to you Ashen about the MH370 videos but I put them in the same category as any videos on the internet just unprovable you can't prove it I can't I've had all these experience is happening to me there is nobody that can tell me you know what I've seen is wrong or not but can I prove even my own experiences no so the people who sit there and are waiting for proof you're never getting it so if if proof is your you know your bell weather then guess what you're in for a long life of very bad disappointments unless the nhi comes down and does some kind of reveal to the world you know or they roll out the [ __ ] saucers or whatever which you know who knows what's gonna happen you know you can't a video is no proof I don't care unless you were even if you're the one videoing it you know it's still like you know you can't prove it there's no proof and so I've that's always been my problem with this is like you know I I can't even prove my own things so you know how do we get proof I I just don't know no that's a very good point and James we'll let you jump in a second but yeah um you know especially for these out these claims are outlandish right it's like it does kind of just become to the point where it's like you either believe or you don't believe because like we're talking about I mean the standard of what people out there will believe is so high that um yeah I mean my thought on that though is that we have to prove it with the science you have to prove that you can teleport an object right you have to prove that maybe we can um you know engineer another being and then people would believe in hybrids and stuff like that but that's just some thoughts um James did you want to say something yeah I just wanted to chip in basically reiterating what you were saying that proof is going to come from experience as far as I can tell that like when it comes to the free energy stuff proof is going to come from somebody creating it themselves and then that becoming disseminated in one way or another proof for nhi is going to come through experience whether that's C5 or whatever you think the method is that's my piece yeah yeah it's proven to me but I can't prove it to anybody else yeah no I'm with you um let's get some other hands we got quite a few hands up um I don't remember who was up first mitogen go for it hey um so I wanted to talk about um the debate of if we are ready to go into the cosmos as a species um so my belief is that there are anyi that believe in our ability to do so and there are others that believe that we should stay in Earth or on Earth um because we're so dangerous um so what Tupa said about um being a warrior or like the ability to being um violent and maybe that's a good thing um it can be a good thing if you're using it for for a purpose you know and to me I don't think fighting or infighting between us um in this planet is going to help us um go out into the cosmos and you know um maybe um colonized or other planets or something like that um I imagine it to be um sort of like a house um imagine a family um fighting every day you know and then one day they have to take a road trip um that road trip is going to be very shaky you know um if they're um fighting all the time so I think if we see ourselves as a house or as a family um we have to at least cooperate and work with each other so we can go out there and you know know the universe and know what's out there because I think we're at a point in time where we have to to decide if we're going to go out there and you know go interplanetary um because that is one subject um where some people believe that there's too many people on the planet and they want to reduce the population and others believe that um we can go Interstellar and we can accelerate our our technology ology to be more advanced and that's uh in my in my view the like the the Star Trek future is is better where we are more advanced and we are we are like out there in the cosmos and for that we do have to have like a warrior mindset or or at least like the dis the like the the discipline like we have to have some sort of martial arts um built into our um strengths um to be able to use it in in a favorable way yeah good call I like your P I like your optimism out there um not sure I I necessarily think that that's what our our direction is but I hope it is you know I hope it is um Ralph do you have thoughts on we'll go to period yeah um I think uh just in the in in the over overall atmosphere right now I think I was trying to make that point earlier that um the boomer generation the ones that would probably be the most skeptical you know they're dying off for the lack of a better word um and most people have grown up with imagry and the concept of alien life so any 9-year-old kid any 19yearold kid any 29y old any 39y old any 49y old right now will be comfortable will be very comfortable with um with with the imagery or the idea of alien life I mean it's it's not so outlandish now as it once was um but then that puts us in the interesting situation where we we have you know some physicists that support it like uh like Drake and he proposed a Drake equation and then you have you know equally good arguments not necessarily against but good questions like the fmes Paradox um but you did mention it earlier where you know if if we're developing that technology now why wouldn't it make sense that you know a species in intelligent life that was here before us because keep in mind the the universe you know the updated dat now is 27 uh billion years old instead of the 14 so added those extra 10 billion years of possible life it stands the reason you know that life probably got kicked off a little bit earlier and there are some that are already a little farther along the block than we are so if we are able to Quantum quantumly entangled particles now teleport them it stands the reason that someone that's a little farther along is probably doing that at a larger scale so if we're doing it on the subatomic and the atomic scale it stands the reason they're doing it on the macro scale yeah um but I think the the little bit more finesse to it and the one that the when I say finesse a little bit more of a refine refined Theory uh that kind of makes both sides happy is um instead of their instead of it being extraterrestrial what if they're ultraterrestrials in the sense that they're not coming from another point in SpaceTime meaning you know another location in in this universe they're just coming from a different dimension within that SpaceTime so if there are slices of uh of Dimensions who's to say we haven't been experiencing you know beings from our our same uh geographic location or our same SpaceTime location but just different dimensions within that so what we've experienced as angels and demons and aliens and what have you it's just really you know interdimensional beings you know uh the fact that the only um quote unquote demon alien I mean demon aliser Crowley was able to summon looks a lot like what we would classify as a great alien today so maybe there's a lot of overlap and a lot of misinterpretations but I'm thinking the the most reasonable explanation is each one of us has a little part of it just some of them you know is is quantifying it as you know alien and mechanical technology or maybe it's just actual interdimensional technology that you know we're we're still not trying I mean we still haven't um been able to you know to fully grasp yeah so a few things I want to comment on there um first thing I agree is that the Old Guard is dying off right I think that they and I don't mean this in an offensive way to anybody who's older I I consider myself to have be partial Boomer actually but um you know there's an old guard of the UFO um let's say I celebrities what have you um um influencers if you want to say and also in science physicists as well where you know they're getting older now it's time for the younger generation to step in the ones that look at the same science but with a new lens the ones that look at the Phenomenon with a new set of eyes with A New Perspective um and I think that that's another thing that I want to help Herold in is that we need some fresh eyes looking it doesn't mean people have to become obsolete but I mean I think that if people want to still have influence in the sphere they need to be able to adapt to new ideas and and new beliefs around the phenomenon and the science um I think that we haven't discovered all there is in science to your point of like how long our civilization has been out there it's basically a blink of an eye compared to what we believe to be the the um age of the Universe um and so from that perspective I think it's very uh uh egotistical to consider that oh you the humans have we've discovered everything right like it's much more likely we're still cavemen and we just haven't realized that we're still cavemen than it is that we've figured it all out and then with respect to Dimensions there's something that I see royy herberts in the chat he's a little too shy to come up right now but maybe we'll convince him um check out uh hard TRS number five on my YouTube channel with Roy D Herbert one of the really awesome ideas and this doesn't necessarily go to the idea of beings being interdimensional but to try to understand more Dimensions than four which is three dimensions of space that we experience X Y and Z axis and then time is a fourth dimension maybe the other dimensions are contextual maybe it's a matter of understanding kind of how those four dimensions can be manipulated and warped in a context perspective um especially when we think about this idea of time as the fourth dimension it's like time once you realize that time doesn't flow the same like if I'm out on some other planet that has more gravity I'm going to experience time at a different rate than over here you start to realize that huh things are a lot Stranger than I thought they were and like to the maybe so would you say go ahead so so would you say that once uh an intelligence is able to achieve the bending of SpaceTime which is you know mathematically uh shown to be possible then they've removed themselves from the fourth dimension like you're saying so then by default they become fifth dimensional beings yeah and it's really just a matter of what do you define the Fifth Dimension to be right but that's kind of what I'm getting at too because the idea especially of you can control time is like we why would another race that didn't evolve on this planet evolved on a completely different plan with its own set of circumstances they might not even experience time the same way we experience time like think of like the an and Lord of the Rings where they're like these trees that experience time in a super slow rate right like how would we even interact with beings like that I think we personify aliens far too much especially if they come from another planet that's completely foreign and and I hate to say the word again alien to us you know they might be gaseous based and not even solid like we are go ahead keemstar what do you want to say no I just laughed because you said alien to us go ahead I'm sorry um let's see uh period do you want to jump in feel free to jump anytime guys yeah yeah I think uh all what has been said recently has been great um I think anyone who's been looking at this stuff for a while uh has a inkling that it is interdimensional rather than coming from a different planet exoplanet whatever I think most of space sucks for a long ways uh so I I do believe in the interdimensional theory now what that looks like I have no idea but to y'all were commenting on uh scientists looking at this with a different set of eyes A New Perspective I think that's key some of the smartest people I know I've wanted uh like my friends I've talked to about this stuff intentionally because they're so smart and yet it's like the people who I I don't know I don't want to say dump but my my friends who aren't at that intelligence level are more likely to open their minds and and and listen and and kind of throw ideas about what they could be the smartest people I know it's almost like they're they're just shut off to the entire concept and these people have been working hard since they were in kindergarten just trying to be the best the smartest reading the most and going to the best schools and this and you know and and for them this information means that they're just like us they're on an equal playing field all that they've been studying and all that they know is just irrelevant and so it's hard for them to just all of a sudden hop on board with that and I think it it does play into their ego and lastly I want to Circle back to um ways that disclosure could come out what would what could convince people especially um elderly people but the masses I mean I'm just I'm really confused as to why Elon Musk hasn't mentioned David grush not even once um in fact Elon has said you know if there are aliens I would tell you and there's not and so he's almost and there's no way that he's not aware of all of this stuff um I don't I mean if he has a Handler you know I'm just if he were to come out and say and have an interview with David grush or hey I spoke to David for 4 hours here's what I got from it and you know I think you'd have a lot more um modern ears listening and and opening their minds but hey so think about this what is his Technology based on Ancient Nazi rocket technology if UAP is real and we have the technology and we're doing it then his entire business model is worthless so even if he knows if he can't can't ever be pro- disclosure because he's not one of the Legacy you know aerospace companies that was given an advantage so well I I couldn't agree more but at the same time listen we're talking about the richest man in the world you think he gives a [ __ ] about a 20 billion do rocket company he yes I'm sorry guys you are you are all missing the point right you're coming up with different uh reason reasons why Elon Musk would like come out and you know say that there's no proof of aliens or there's no aliens and all that you're saying oh it might help his companies it might help this you guys are missing the major red flag here elon's an alien well that could be very true that could be very very true but no look he's the richest man in the world his whole mission is to go to Mars a place that just absolutely sucks uh but his home his hometown to save not in his financial interest to divulge that type of Technology think about okay Elon musk's um love of David grush or acknowledgement of David grush does have nothing to do with Elon mus view on aliens or not I think it speaks volumes I think more about how this community like puts people up on a pedestal like David grush is now the guy that you you know what I mean he might not be the guy this this topic especially as of late as it pertains to disclosure has been you know kind of hijacked and there's evidence that it's been hijacked um and it's being hijacked by by special interest groups right who might not always have our best interests in mind they have their own Pockets to line so they might be able to prop up someone like David grush and he might be a great guy but just because that's the guy we're being fed doesn't shouldn't be the bar that that is set for everyone especially someone like Elon who's in the n know for a lot of things like it it might be caused to doubt uh gush's stance in or standing in this community you know what I mean yeah I think we should hold on sec I'm gonna mute you guys for just a sec because I just want to point and then I'll let you guys jump in um I think that we should be careful about um holding anyone on a pedal stool like tupacabra said and you know even when we talk about like Elon Musk it's not that Elon Musk is our savior he's also not necessarily the enemy um I don't think that we should consider David grush to be the be all end all either right like we kind of have to take control of it ourselves and spread it out there if we put too much stock in any one individual then it becomes very easy for us to get discredited to get shot down to get misdirected to get distracted any of those things that you want to use so we just let's just be careful about trying to hold people to a higher standard I don't want people to do that to me either right like the old saying goes I think it's like first they fight you then they laugh at you whatever then they like make Idol they build Idols to you right it's that last one we got to be careful of right let's not hold people up to something more than they are anyway go ahead guys Jump On In I just want I just wanted to say um it's not always about like um you know people not believing right because like were we were just talking about Elon and oh he doesn't believe that we have it's not always about people not believing you guys don't understand because you're like deep in this community how many people just don't [ __ ] care they don't care you know you go and tell them like oh a UFO the government just just confirmed 100% there's I don't [ __ ] care like what's let me turn the football game on I don't [ __ ] care I got this going on like there's so many people that just honest to God don't care you know we talk about this and we believe it that you know when disclosure happens right it's going to change everything the meaning of Life religion everything it we will live in a new world but you go and explain that to someone who doesn't care they're still going to be like I don't [ __ ] care the football game's on a lot of people just don't care yeah I agree with that but I I I I say Elon Musk and I say David grush not to put him on a pedestal I I totally agree that we should all kind of take it into our own hands to an extent however it's nice having a a temporary leader if you want to call it that I mean Ashton you were a temporary leader when I was trying to figure out what was going with uh MH370 you know I also obviously did my own research but you kind of helped me stay on a dotted line track um so I do think humans like someone who can just kind of make a simple summary you know version of of what's going on so that we can all understand it at the Layman level I was using grush because he was obviously he's under penalty of perjury right how long do we have until we say okay we're calling [ __ ] now you're going to jail because you purg you lied to Congress would would he be forced to show us what he knew with the programs he could he could walk into a hanger right now and show us a craft of exotic origin I guarantee it I say Elon Musk not to put him on a pedestal but because he is known as a very intelligent man he is known as uh uh the the world's richest man and he's all things space now if he just said it it not that he's on a pedestal but he has a 100 million Twitter followers so that's more people just to get into the pool so that we can all take it into our own hands all offer our ideas and our thoughts and opinions and go from there I it's not putting people on a pedestal it's utilizing someone's platform to to bring in those people who just want to watch the football game and don't care I think we're kind of on the high dive looking down at the pool and as soon as whatever I know some people say we're in disclosure but as soon as the the the big bang disclosure moment happens falling into the pool then you got more people caring I really do believe that yeah and let me respond to that too because I think that I totally agree with keemstar's point and I know it because I've experienced it you know I've brought it up and my parents and family all look at me like I'm a crazy person right and this isn't just recently I'm talking like 2018 when I'm like yeah those the DoD said those those videos are real and like we know UFOs are real and they just look at you like whatever right there's this stigma out there and that might hold people back like Elon from you know saying anything about it because I think it's more than just using your platform to some degree is as well so like we have to have our conscious rise to a level we're ready to talk about it we're ready for it to matter and like keemstar said for a lot of people it's just not that important to them like my dad tells me even when I bring it up now is like how do that change my life what is that going to do for me personally right so yes I agree we do need to be able to have ways where we can bring it to the masses and that's part of what I want these kind of conversations to be able to do and what I try to do but at the same time we can't force it on people just look at how people have reacted to the investigation that I put forth and the hostility that has come from that right if that's the outcome is this hostility if we try to force it onto people then we have to be very careful about it and maybe the government's thinking the same thing maybe that's why they are going for this slow acclamation process is that they need to get people comfortable with the idea maybe this is why if these movies and stuff that come out really are predictive programming maybe this is why they like push that information out there they want people to get com more and more comfortable with this idea um just a thought for people let's go to Ralph CU you had your hand or I want to go to Ralph real quick and then we can get some more jump people jump in because Ralph's had his stand up for a while yeah just to add to that to that point uh that Keem start that he made about most people not caring yeah he's absolutely true for for the most part I'm I'll say maybe 75% 80% of the population are just Spectators absolutely history is made written by a very small percentage so let's use the [ __ ] you know things that that that we can you know all agree upon during the American Revolution it wasn't everyone going to war it was a very small percentage that was willing to do something um [ __ ] world wars it wasn't everyone going to war no it was a very small percentage of of people that went and you know actually did something to change something and everybody else you know was there to either reap the rewards or suffer the consequences right if you were in Europe you were suffering the consequences if you're in a different part of Europe that was being heavily oppressed and now it's less oppressed well now you're able to reap the rewards but that's you know up to [ __ ] you know the the the fates to decide right the [ __ ] the chaos of uh of events happening real time so yes absolutely most people don't care but let's assume for the sake of conversation that disclosure does happen and it's not going to be World shattering news because everyone's more or less aware of it but the the little intricate details of it the Z Point Energy the able to have a a vision at room temperature the little technologies that allow for that big thing to be true is what we're going to be able to capitalize on so yeah the masses are not going to care they're not they're going to be right at home watching TV you know doing what they're doing but the infrastructure now is fundamentally going to change so the people that are HIIT to it and are staying you know uh uh in tune with what's happening they're going to know what companies are going to capitalize on that information and who's going to be supplying you your electricity so while you're still watching at home watching TV not giving a [ __ ] and no one's making you to there's going to be an entire small sector that is going to be HP to so it's the it's it's not so much alien disclosure it's alien technology that is really going to be important is it going to shatter some people's point of view if they think they're living on a flat Earth with with a firmament over it yeah of course is it going to shatter some you know extreme religious views that you know they were placed here by God yes it is but for the most part no no one's really going to Care other than a small group of people who are going to be able to capitalize on it that's my main takeaway from it and maybe it's me being greedy but it's being able to capitalize on new information and on new information is where you're able to make the most amount of money yeah and I think that that to that degree I think that everybody in this space and everybody listening on the live stream what have you are part of that uh mini Elite we'll call it right where it's like you know that this stuff may be real this technology may be real you can capitalize on this information you know you can invest in the various companies that are going to be taking advantage of it those are just small scale opportunities you know then you have this whole other side of it again to what keemstar said that the people that all they care about is what's new on Netflix what does Disney have coming out you know why is Travis C dating Taylor Swift and making the Chiefs lose football games right right like the whole Taylor Swift thing just is like the perfect example of like how there's a whole half of the world that just thinks that like this is what matters in in the world compared to people that are like oh I just want to know like when I'm going to get room temperature super conductivity you know this couldn't be any more polar or opposites uh so yeah I think that that's a big aspect to you just life in general and who knows like I said we can't force those people to get on board um but you know if you're one of the few people that does know about what's going on with this type of technology is then you can take advantage of it yourself and we can be those people that are out there trying to reshape the world while everybody else is waiting for the next uh Mandalorian season to come out or whatever it is we got like people like Jeremy alien scientist too to help us like along that path and also like Dave Rossy uh but guys and you to ashon but I gotta roll out um I might be able to pop back on in a little while I just got to handle some business Ashton thanks for co-hosting me guys this is awesome good to see you Keem John bye peace thanks till next time guys and yeah and can I comment on El one last one last comment about Elon for is that you guys have to remember Elon has signed ndas he launches secret satellites for the military into space he also works with NASA so he can't say [ __ ] people even whatever he knows Elon can't say [ __ ] so I mean he's beholden he you know he's under contract so it's very clear you know he can't do it this is bigger than NASA this is bigger than SpaceX elon's whole mission is to help further Humanity if this if he knew about this I I have a feeling he would say screw the ndas I'm telling everybody and and I'm there it might be that he's under threat from the nhi itself it might you know and he's got a bunch of kids and all this so it's easy to probably threaten him or keep him quiet but I again I was using Elon as just a way to get it out to the masses because he's he what whatever he says people listen whether they like it or not is up to them you know it's not a big deal but that yeah that's the only reason I brought up elong yeah and if we want to if other people want to jump in and get on the on the panel uh feel free to request it we may cycle people around red panda's pretty good at doing that um let's go to Nathan Nathan hasn't spoken yet he's got his hand up hey how's it going everyone um first time long time uh I know that every body's time is really important so I'll try and be brief and make something helpful um I just would wonder if there is any way that we could be more collaborative or helpful or coordinate better as a group um we were talking about uh how many people and when will everybody get to know this and I wonder if someone else was saying we might just need enough uh not not most but enough and maybe there might be a way that we could organize ourselves I find a major point of tension tends to be like uh red light yellow light green light on whether aliens are evil neutral or positive um I tend to follow what Steven Greer says and believe um his architecture of everything um but you know I could be wrong about everything so I just think that might help cut down on some uh how would you say um disagreements early on as people kind of fight out their ontologies and theologies about this thing um what might beneficial for research uh having followed a lot of people's story just getting into this over the past seven years or so with the New York Times um I was looking for okay well if this is true and it's historical then it must have been documented as so and so how how old can you go in ancient text to find it and the oldest I got was to The Emerald Tablets of th um it's something that was brought up by Graham Hancock and it clicked in and I recommended his uh I I recognized his recommendation and I think that there's a lot in it I wonder if anybody has read it there's two hour versions on YouTube you can listen to on two times speed in an hour um I think that it has a lot of interesting architecture and um maybe that's a right angle you guys want to go down and discuss if anyone's heard or read it um but thank you and I'm going to back away here and just hope that uh everybody's having a good time and thank you for the conversation this is great yeah thanks Nathan yes the Emerald Tablet thing brought up a lot um I I don't actually know all the details of it in general but it has been brought up several times um and I think that the I think the story is that it's the idea that there's like advanced technology that's hidden onto the emerald tablets and we just have to decipher it and decipher the the mathematics behind it which if true then that's you know pretty interesting did you have a follow up Nathan uh yeah I would just say uh yeah that What's um compelling to me about it is um just like if you have convergence of ideas uh in physics or if something is being mentioned like would you know if people talked about germs in the Bible then you would recognize oh they were on to something true because now we know it's true and we can uh backdate it there's seems to be many other things that that it gets right ahead of when it should get anything right namely the importance of vibration and frequency and it also talks about a structure for uh beings of uh benevolence and also of malevolence brotherhoods of lightness and brotherhoods of darkness and um what's going on and giving a kind of again architecture to this it also if it is 30 or 50,000 years old um then it's interesting that that's the first beginnings of serpent headed uh Liars on on Earth um and so you get David ik coming out of that and it's not something that he made up then um there's uh many things that I I think that are uh interesting to look into and you might be able to correlate it to something that we now know is true and so what does that say about the validity or U yeah uh not authenticness but the truthfulness of it yeah good thoughts uh thanks a lotel I appreciate those thoughts um James did you have something you want to say you think you were up next um yeah I just wanted to pitch in I had a question for Nathaniel when you referring to the Emerald Tablets of thought I was just curious if you're referring to um Doral is that doral's work that you're talking about I um have done a little digging into it myself and I'm not sure whether I believe it or not my personal um perception into like the oldest um text that have talked about this sort of thing has been viic generally whether that's Hindu or Buddhist but um I was just curious if you're referring to the work of amorel because I'm pretty sure that's like channeled work from uh a mason in in America but anyway um I I'll be quick um I believe not um I believe that it has influen the Egyptian Book of the Dead the Tibetan Book of the Dead and the viic scriptures as well as like uh what people would call Gnostic Christians it's earlier it's almost ER as a uh Theory um if if it is so but then there's no um I mean the Egyptians beli that it was true so the conspiracy started you know 5,000 years ago or whatever yeah cool cool I'll I might hit you up after this for a link sorry to distract everybody does also tie into kind of like the the Samaran tablets and the way zachar sit was interpreting them you know as uh you know uh EXO um you know well basic extraterrestrials you know genetically modifying um sapiens or hominids to create homo saans I'm not sure I would want to yeah go ahead sorry I wouldn't want to butcher anything I would just um have you go and read it but it does um again predate predate I was looking for the earliest Sumerians got it got read the Tho uh Egyptians read tho um it's it's the earliest as far as I can tell so thanks for that uh feedback if people want to learn more you can check out the uh Emerald Tablets and maybe we can do a follow-up space where we discuss it a little bit more in the history I definitely would like to do a crossover space about anthropology and uh ancient history talk about stuff like the pyramids I think all that stuff's really interesting um M you've hand your hand up for a little bit you want to speak uh yeah um on the organization part um like what what we can do um I think we're already doing it right now um in this space um I think uh the Cure really is free flow of information um and I think Free Speech uh is a really big part of it and I think um people on on the internet when they hear each other's voices they tend to troll less and you know humanize people um you know humanize each other way more and you know um free flow of information is all we need and as long as we have that we're we're good to go no I definitely agree that's why I pay uh Elon Musk for the privilege of having free speech on on Twitter because I think that's very important and I think that you can tell too there's so much less trolling and uh you know condescension negativity when we speak in person compared to when we're just hiding behind a keyboard and I've been guilty of this as well you know I think especially um growing up in the email age you know it's easy to get aggressive in an email but if you call somebody up all of a sudden you know it's a completely different attitude so um I think that's part of the reason why I want to host more spaces like this where let like you said we can kind of talk it out in general um quick shift of the topic and then we we'll go to John here as well is um there's two things I want want to bring up one is that Danny shean was did an interview recently where he said that there would be an interview with an uh extraterrestrial uh being that would you know I kind of apparently like be real disclosure that might be coming out do you guys think that's true or and also do you think that would even matter like if that comes out are people just going to immediately say it's fake or you know would that type of thing actually shift the Paradigm a little bit I'm curious what your guys thoughts are John do you have any thoughts on that or anything else or anyone else wants to jump in go ahead I always um my thought on shean is um you know I don't I didn't I I heard the interview and I didn't I didn't hear him say that that that was coming out but that he well that he was that he was there or that he knows the guy a guy that was there when the alien was being interviewed so I don't I you know but like the alien interview video that's out there once again like any video I just feel like that you just you can't prove any videos so I I I don't think that's that's going to happen but I was uh very interested that in that same interview for the first time shean actually named the races that are visiting the planet they're all Races they're all names we know but people in that world the Chris melons that you know they'll say there's multiple races or whatever but they'll NE they never named them and so the fact that shean physically named the aliens to me was was really a big deal that he that he just said [ __ ] it I'm going to catastrophically disclose and I'm going to just start saying [ __ ] so that he also said reptilians are attractive yeah I I thought that was hilarious but but uh the reason I popped in and put my hand up is because I do have to go and I just wanted to thank you Ashton for uh the follow and just for uh host in the space and of course red you know I love you man and uh all of you people uh I don't care uh what you believe you're you know you're here for disclosure you're here for the truth so you're all on the same side as me so that's the way I look at it that's the way it's always going to keep being for me I try to really stay out of people's fights on Twitter because you know like and I and I'm happy to fight like I'm happy to scrap if people come at me but like for me it's like look we need I just want us to be together because we're all scratching around the edges of the biggest [ __ ] story ever in the history of the world and so like I'm done with the is it real [ __ ] and now I'm like let's get at it so that where I'm at so thank you guys all very much yeah thanks for being here John appreciate you appreciate your thoughts man um and yeah just as a quick reminder if you are interested and like what you're hearing from people go ahead and give them a follow I mean this is how we build our communities on social media um you know follow one another listen to their thoughts you know follow somebody you don't even agree with sometimes right I'll tell you guys the people that I follow are not of any one political persuasion or any group of ideas it's U people have all different ideas so you can be exposed to ideas that you know maybe differ a little bit from what you have and it'll increase and broaden your horizons that are out there um so jump on about you one more thing before I bail out yeah go is that and I told you how I felt about videos but like what I loved about you was that you stood your ground you did the [ __ ] work you know and and you were trying to get at the truth and it's the truth of the video or whatever and that brought you into the UFO community and I'm glad you're here brother so thanks for coming in thanks man I appreciate that means a lot to me and yeah I think I decided just time to just embrace it right time to not run away from it that much because uh because what and like I said it's and I'm not trying to be negative but I see so much negativity out there in the community it's like I I want to at least be another person like red panda like tupacabra and others I've seen out there that are trying to push it forward in a positive way they're aren't trying to take advantage of people I'm not trying to tell people what they got to think um but you know just trying to help bring in lighten to a lot of people that are out there and I think that those messages resonate so uh on that front I want to thank everybody who's in here and everybody who's been following because I could never have imagined that I would have all these people who are following me in the case and wanting to listen to what I have to say um and it's definitely not about me so um let's go to uh David kefir I saw you jump up did you want to uh do you have any thoughts on anything we've discussed or anything you want to opine on up here in the speakership okay go ahead no now everything's good I'm just listening um what I wanted to speak about I've already forgot about no problem man so and I'll bring up another little topic here then so um the other thing I think is interesting if we go back to the science aspect of it is a lot of people at least what I've seen in ufology is that if there are UFOs here that they might be mining materials and one of those metals they might be mining is like gold and other precious materials the the reason why I think this is interesting is twofold one is that from science we learned that um we think that a lot of these heavy metals only form when stars go supernova and they explode that might be the only time that they form stuff like gold Platinum these other heavy metals that are out there so in theory if we are living in a solar system that's like third generation or maybe even Beyond right we might be in a rare situation where we have access to a lot of these heavy metals that are not like deep in the core of the earth and maybe near the surface that are out there the other aspect of it is that when we look at stuff like lk99 which has been making a somewhat of a Resurgence out there whether or not you believe it's debunked or not kind of aside the point is that the way it's actually been cooked right now is copper and Lead but there a lot of people have argued that you could replace copper with gold and the reason why they don't is it's just a lot more expensive um but what if gold and these other heavy elements are just really precious that these UFO or these aliens need in order to you know produce the advanced uh Scientific Technology that they need to fly around curious as to what your guys thoughts are on that or if you guys have heard that or if you have other different opinions anyone who wants to jump in go ahead star Captain we haven't heard from you either oh go ahead whoever that was yo yo sorry that was me um yeah I just wanted to pitch in that like I've heard a couple different people talk about them like NH in different forms mining gold off of Earth and um but I've also heard a couple different people talk about uh plasma being able to create whatever metal you would want out of I don't want to say thin air but um and I'm not 100% on either one of those but my sense is that once you go down the rabbit hole of science advancing exponentially going to different planets for specific heavy metals seems to me to be uh I don't know pedestrian so you think you they could just like basically make them oh go ahead hey can I can I say something so um I don't know if many of y'all follow a project called the sapphire project um well in the sapphire project they're transmutative elements and they've shown a a process in a way to do it and one of the main things they're going for right now they've this is their third uh iteration of it the first two were a little different um but they're taking material that is uh Radioactive and remediating it to a non-radioactive substance just water basically and uh as a as a way of of uh handling you know radioactive materials yeah that's interesting the idea that if you achieve a certain level of technological superiority can you just produce your own elements uh I was watching an alien scientist the other day with Michael Peron and they were actually talking about Element 115 and other heavy elements and I think that he was hypothesizing that you could use gamma rays to stabilize those heavy elements because the other the problem with a lot of those really heavy elements like 115 is that their uh halflife is so short that they break down very very quickly uh so you need to get them into a very stable uh situation uh and then theoretically you know the heavy elements can be used as a power source I mean I don't know if it's real or not but that's at least if you believe Bob Lazar I think that's what he has stated that's out there so I think it would be interesting to dig into that level of Material Science to figure out yeah can we produce these heavier elements or do we really have to find them um um not sure hey Dot do you have your hand up go ahead yeah um that this is all great stuff I've heard about the mining stuff too I tend to subscribe with what James was talking about as far as if they're so far Advanced there's no way that they they need Earth to to to get their gold or whatever metals they need first of all there's billions and trillions of other planets and empty planets that they could probably go get it from asteroids and stuff like that but to um to me this UFO stuff and nhi it's it's more I got interested in it because it's more of a spiritual uh curiosity for me in that I mean I don't know who that lady was that was talking about you know the lizard people and stuff but if any of that is true um if they can influence thought if they are four-dimensional and we're three-dimensional and they can interfere without us even noticing much like you know us to ants or I mean um if they can disguise themselves as political leaders uh if they can influence Wars I mean we were talking about wars I mean that kind of stuff I think on an existential level freaks people out a little bit more but I think it's kind of the heart of all this stuff um I just I don't want to necessarily go on a religion tangent discussion but I just I I wanted to hear your thoughts on on what you think you know about that stuff yeah I mean if you believe that the uh aliens are able to communicate with world leaders and I I've heard that a lot I think it's it's kind of hard for me to believe that level of it just because for me the reason why I think it's hard to believe is that like do they speak English or do they have translators or how's that stuff work but you know if stuff like teleportation is possible and we certainly can uh have some type of uh Google translate uh real time or whatever they have in Star Trek where they can understand one another maybe they use I don't know uh telepathic communication not sure um but absolutely it seems possible that they could influence uh the world for sure I mean the reason why we know that is because we see our politicians and other people influencing the world and just like we've kind of discovered about human behavior on this particular space is that a lot of people are just looking for someone to believe in right looking for someone to tell them what they should do um and that's part of the reason why I think that we have to break away from that mindset because if we do try to look for other people to tell us what to think and what to do then that makes us vulnerable to disinformation misinformation and narratives that may not be true out there um uh who was up next Ro uh I think David you had your hand up unless not then we'll go to uh Ron jiv Roy if not yeah Ron almost nailed it Ron G was close okay go ahead yeah no I just I've just been kind of thinking about um how this whole thing kind of fits in in terms of just like like actual like computation um so I don't know if anyone's heard of like Moore's law but it's like a fairly well-known rule that technology and really information sharing follows where the amount of information that's been able to be shared has progressed with techn technology and it happens at like a relative like a really fast rate like it doubles every 18 months um so like computers double in processing power every 18 months and so on and so forth till you catch like the doubling aspect of it gives it this like exponential kind of curve to it to where like you know computers really started getting super powerful in like the past 12 years with smartphones in general but then it's kind of like a step function I've heard where you know it's leveled off our our our processors now are literally we're we're at the atomic level with our transistors and and bits and and how we process information so we're kind of leveling off of that curve and I feel like when we look at the video what I think we're seeing is the future of what the next step function is in the curve which would be the next like wave of computing which is quantum computing um just in my opinion so like like they've already discovered in I don't know if it's physical reality or simulated reality that they've created a wormhole using Google's quantum computer in California um but to me if that's the beginning step of the next step function we're not very many steps off using quantum computers and understanding how cubits work as opposed to act like one on and zero bits and then that if once we start realizing the knee of that curve then all of a sudden you can really it's not much extrapolation from there to be able to say okay yeah the next form of computing it won't be informational Computing it'll be like physical Computing so we like it'll it'll almost transcend AI which seems un transcend if that makes sense so I feel like we're like getting there like what we're seeing seem so outrageous but I think we're only I don't know 5 10 years how long did it take smartphones to get where they are today proliferated ubiquitous across the world um I don't know I'm going on and on but hopefully that makes some sense like our computational methods are changing yeah um one quick thing on that and we'll go to keemstar is that look at EP equals epr uh and what this essentially means is that it could be that Quantum uh entanglement is equivalent equalent to a wormhole on the general relativity scale and that you know the Einstein Rosen bridge is the same as the Einstein pki Rosen uh quantum entanglement and the only difference is the scale at that point right and yes and then to your point it it may be that we just simply don't understand how to scale up this idea of quantum entanglement which we've already proven quantum teleportation is real that's out there and I think just a week ago they were literally teleporting a picture without sending the information so you know why can't we do that to something larger and perhaps we do need quantum computers to pull it off with respect to the MH370 videos I definitely think that there's some type of advanced Computing going on there either from a data capture perspective with the orbs and circling the plane and mapping it or just with moving the orbs around themselves you know it almost feels like we might need quantum computers just to pull any of that stuff off um yeah I remember the first time I saw the video of the orbs that like the orbs were really got me at first it reminded me of electrons around an atom the way that they were just orbiting you know it it was just perfect almost like they were perfectly spaced out and but beyond that like a black hole they're saying at least from what I've seen is a quantum computer it's it's just a really highly entangled Quantum system between whatever fell in and wherever the other end of that black hole manifest manifests itself on the other side of the Wormhole it's just a giant entangled system in physical nature at the macro level so then I look at the end of that video and it's like if that's not a black hole with black you know Hawking radiation and everything I don't know what is you know it's a momentary one that does collapse but like I mean it just all lines up to what the extrapolation of like what Quantum computation and understanding would come out to be you know given enough time to understand it yeah I think your main point there is it's like maybe only now in 2023 can we look at those videos and go huh wait this does kind of make sense like we didn't have the scientific understanding back in 2014 to even begin to think that that stuff could be real now we look at and go wait does this prove all these physics theories does this prove Quantum uh teleportation that a macro scale is possible Etc um good thoughts keemstar buddy what do you what's your uh what do you want to say what are your what are your thoughts on um are you familiar with the Chris blo story I would watched like a very short clip of um him on I think he was on Danny Jones and I think his son is also into some esoteric aspects um people were making some pretty funny videos about it but what uh what specifically I'm not very familiar tell to me like I'm five it's like really it's it's really like one of the most compelling uh cases like I I really really love it uh I wish that there was someone to investigate it like you that would just like put your heart and soul and just just watch every single documentary every time Chris goes on I'll put it in a timeline like this story is so good but it needs like extreme investigation I'm pretty well read on it Keim if you have any like questions about it it's on my to-do list of documentaries but it's kind of like down the road but I've been I have a I've had a file of him since like 2018 that whenever stuff happens I add to what are some of the best claims what do you think so so if I could brief go for it let me try to summarize the story okay so long story short Chris blo um is has Crohn's disease and he's praying to the heavens for help um actually you know I should not summarize this I should let Panda summarize the story just because you have the timeline locked down better than me go ahead yeah I'll try I'll try and do it pretty shortly um and just quick broad thing um he's an experiencer but what I personally find interesting about him a lot of people do is a lot of the like Intel agents and this could be a good or bad thing have been more or less kind of obsessed with him more so than other experiencers so we have elzando and Tom dong went out to visit him um Jim semivan speaks really highly of him and these are people who are part of the ttsa roll out and I think they're obsessed with him so because he saw the lady and we'll get back into that but this is this is his claims this is his stories he has posted videos that are definitely like starlink at times and people use that to discredit him I think some happened I think definitely the Intel communities are they want to manage his uh story and actually Ryan bledo even said this back in 2018 in a Discord um that he was told that his family was among of a few families that were going to be like the disclosure families and I always thought that was interesting he was pretty shilled hardcore in the UFO Community but this year I started seeing him on like Fox News and like mainstream news stuff and I just was like okay this makes like what Ryan said is kind of true it's looking like like they want a family like an All-American family to to be like an experience or family for disclosure that being said his experiences first thing first is he had a near-death experience when he was six that he and the people who study him attribute to some of his later experiences I think he had like two actually when he was really young so people people tend to tie near-death experiences to UFO phenomenon and whatnot trauma and um and then it really started in Earnest for him was it I think 2012 or 2008 one of those uh he was on a fishing trip with his son and two of his friends um just out at the lake they're they live in uh North Carolina they're like pretty like Southern Baptist uh upbringing and then they see orbs was was the initial sighting they see UFOs they all start freaking out while this is happening the sun gets separated from them from a bit and he claims he sees beings like little they don't look look like Grays but they're like the size of Grays and they look like they have suits on and like red eyes is how he described it they finally reconnect with the sun they're all freaking out about the sighting apparently they said they thought the world was ending and that like the sighting that they were experiencing was happening everywhere and he claims that they like got into a fight on who was going to get dropped off first um that being said muon comes out and investigates it this is another point of contention where the bledo family will say that they feel like it was kind of a setup and they kind of they went in with good intentions and when muon finally put out an episode about it on like the Discovery Channel they kind of made their whole family look like crazy and it kind of ostracized them from their Community then a few years later he starts having these encounters that he claims with this entity called the lady and this is what I was saying earlier that there seems to be a lot of the Intel Community people who are obsessed with the lady and this is kind of like that they call it the divine feminine you'll hear Ryan blo talk about it uh fun fact ttsa they did their launch party if you will on the hundredy year anniversary of Our Lady of Fatima which kind of ties into this greater divine feminine narrative if you want to believe it and basically since then he's had some pretty intense experiences with this claimed entity and like other just UFO orbs you'll hear a lot of people say like when they went to go visit him they also saw orbs or when uh the the person came on his podcast or whatever then like shortly after they would start seeing orbs and like that hitchhiker effect I guess you could say people attribute to him and yeah and like I was saying too like his claims right it's it's hard to verify a lot of those but what is undeniable is that there are Intel people who are these pushers of the Korean disclosure narrative who are very interested in him and even he said like multiple different groups have been interested in him and they have like they all kind of want to control his own narrative for their own means all these different groups and yeah it's kind of like a broad overview got it man so I wonder if my family get selected government you out there go ahead select me just Kidd I I think the most compelling thing about Chris is when he speaks it's like there's no way this guy's lying he's like the most believable person ever like you don't there's no body language there's no um there's no hint of [ __ ] from the [ __ ] guy H and was his background in government go ahead no he had like a construction business and stuff like that he's a very like salt of the earth American Family Man oh we got Darcy rear requesting I know he's also dug into blood so I'm sure he have some good thoughts um but yeah they're definitely I Shilling him I guess might not be the best word but Ryan bledo said in 2018 that his family was like one of the ones and when I saw him on Fox News like I said that's when I was like oh wow they really are doing this and it makes sense right that they the powers that would want like a disclosure experience your family and they would want it to be like a wholesome American family not some like broken home drug addicted you know what I mean it makes sense but yeah Darcy what are your thoughts yeah um I'm fascinated by the guy too you know and it the weird thing with my research in the past like three years regarding NASA is that they they seem to know a lot more about the UFO phenomenon then they let on you know they pretend uh woefully to the public that they're you know completely uninterested in it until recently um but then there's just so many scientists that worked for NASA and then eventually have this Epiphany or have this like experience that's let's say UFO related um you know I've talked to Dr Jack Casher this is also like a deeply religious guy he's uh part of the Jesuits and he's a professor of Meritus of physics at University of Nebraska um and then you've got like Chris bled so you've got um guys like Science Bob who are basically involved in launching micro satellites um but yo Panda what what makes you think that I mean like a lot of the claims that bledo made are un [ __ ] did my thing just crash was that just me guys can you guys still hear me crap I think my thing just my thing just crashed crap them with the light on certain distance at night you know that looks like an orb to a camera um what what makes you think that that's not a possibility like somebody can be very compelling and sound like they're telling the truth keemstar but you know even in my experience as a documentarian I made a documentary about Phil Schneider this guy sounded like he was the real deal like he'd never tell a lie in the world but obviously a bunch of things he said were untrue it's the ideas that he presented about like deep underground military bases and a government cover up and a new world order that rang true to the community and made his story so powerful right um so I just so to your point Darcy um and I'm kind of with you I don't the RCA thing I think is an interesting data point I think for sure he's photographed starlink CL UFOs but I don't necessarily think that was Mal intent uh a lot of his experiences are hard to prove and I don't necessarily buy into them fully I would say but I just think it's good to be aware of him in that story because of what I had said earlier was that all these like disclosure pushers are like whatever you want to say about him are interested in him and whether that's a good or bad thing is to be determined but like they are right yeah and what when I say he comes across being you know really truthful um that's just based on like I don't know Street smarts right you know you you communicate with enough people in real life face to face and have enough conversations you have an intuition whether or not someone is full of [ __ ] or not and so when I'm watching his interviews and I'm watching him speak I'm not getting that I'm not I I it to me it seems like someone that's being truthful am I saying he's telling the truth I feel that he truly believes what he's saying but what what is reality that's why we need someone like Ashton to investigate this like go hard like there's I want to know the stuff that I don't know about this story right and you can only do that by having someone like dedicate crazy time and effort like Ashton is or Ashton's doing with uh MH uh 37 D so I want to agree with what keemstar's saying about uh you know just like if you interact with enough people you kind of learn whether or not it's like you said it's not necessarily they may be like they're telling the truth or lying but at least they believe what they're saying right you get a good sense for that in general and I would I would never get fall for anything or get scammed ever of course just kidding um but uh no I think that and I would love to investigate other stuff I mean just the reality is I just don't have the time for it or I would but maybe in the future I will we we'll see um more to come on that kind of thing but I think that maybe if anything if this investigation can do anything I want it to inspire other people to do exactly what keemstar's talking about which is dig into these other and claims that are out there maybe even things that have been quote unquote debunked you know in the past I'd like somebody to really dig into um that let's say that alien interview that we've seen that's out there right like I want someone to really dig into it and find out was this really like a puppet or was this really something because you hear stories out there but are those stories really true or is that just disinformation that's been pushed Ashton can I ask a quick question oh yeah what would it take okay let's say two guy two suburbans pull up to your house two guys dress and Suits come in and say hey look Ashton you're MH370 video is real the whole thing is real we will turn your life upside down in 30 minutes if you don't come out publicly and say you know what I made this up here I got the source file from this and you know I'm sorry I misled everybody blah blah blah blah blah what would it take for you to do that I mean do you think it would be easy for you to flip what if they said hey we'll give you $25 million tomorrow in your checking account if you come out blah blah blah blah blah I mean what would it take for you if this was proven to you by them to to quit heck I'd do it for $10 million I've been saying that I I wish they had come to me originally but I would how to start this because now if I do it people are going to be like wait a minute this is weird why is he coming out if I come out tomorrow I'm like guys uh the V the Pyromania VFX is a perfect match folks I don't know how I didn't see it before uh I think people would be pretty suspicious but I just in truth though I think that anybody who says they're uncorruptible is either naive or a liar right everybody can be corrupted um everybody will break I think that also from looking at the magnitude of uh what this stuff can mean as well like I'm actually of the mindset where I don't know that if we are actually ready for this and that's why I want to have the conversations trying to push our Collective conscious forward on it the last thing I'd say too is that the world is not black and white it's not good and evil it's Shades of Gray right I would do things probably too that um like we had one of our first questions we asked like what would what do you think it would take to justify the government murdering people to keep stuff quiet right now maybe that's an extreme example but um you know ruining people's lives you know spreading disinformation about them uh you know that that's stuff that I think they're doing actively and you know I think that their mindsets they're doing it for good reasons right they're doing it to protect people right um You Think Of A Few Good Men uh Tom Cruz talking to Jack Nicholson Jack Nicholson saying you can't handle the truth you know you can't handle what it takes to keep these people safe and keep this country safe on a daily basis um but yeah really great question on that do you have any follow up before we go to some other people no man that was so perfect thank you MH um Nomad X you've had your hand up for a while man real quick by the way I believe I believe everything that you're doing by the way I I wasn't saying that I you know I was just proposing doesn't bother me at all man and the reality too just in case people wonder is I do think those videos are 100% real um and I I think that you know I haven't had government agents come to me and tell me that kind of stuff but I had a lot of people from people who claim to be NASA scientists to physicists to Engineers people like Salvador Pas people that in my mind they're in the no right and they're coming and they're like this this proves our Concepts and and the way that they have to be cautious about it too and they're like well if the data is real then this proves my concept too that that even gives them more credibility in my mind and so that's the reason why I think strongly that you know time will vindicate uh the case and it will vindicate even more importantly the Science Now how long that's going to be you know 6 months probably not 6 years probably not still but you know 10 years 20 years down the road um as the science catches up and I think you guys have seen that over the course of Investigation um where we've seen this you know quantum teleportation is being more and more advanced super conductivity feels like we're right on the verge of it in terms of room temperature superc conductivity um yeah I think that stuff definitely will prove this the case to be real in the end and my perspective is you know I'm I'm not that tied to it so who I'm just tied to the idea of making the world a better place so uh noade X let's go let's go to you buddy you're not too you're not that tied to it are you sure well maybe from the perspect perspect uh perception of other people yes but um you know the only reason why I'm adamant about it is I just want to get like I said in my post today I just want to get the truth for the families and the pilots rified I think that that's just unconscious unconscionable to me like if those if that wasn't MH370 of those videos I'd have let it go a long time ago honestly um and I would just have dug into the science without you know trying to get the truth of that plane um but because it is and because if you look into the evidence and the conspiracy behind it we've actually reached a point where I don't think we need the videos anymore it's just you can prove I never thought this but sorry to go on this big tangent but never would have thought we'd uncover as much as we did about um the satellites like guys looking at the satellite stuff it's incredible looking at the sentient program that is this the AI That's out there just you know operationalizing these satellites scanning the whole world the cbers uh which is space based infrared system scanning the whole world world all the time it's like of course they have to know what happened to the plane they've got scanning everywhere and then we find out they had these cope tiger exercises and the planes flying directly where the exercises are at like uh Maas Chang says that's like flying into the eye of the storm if you're a suicidal pilot the only reason why you'd be trying to do that is because you're trying to maybe crash the plane into a battleship but you're never going to get close so yeah you make an incredibly Fair Point um because I was watching one of your videos and you were going through through and showing how like all this information a lot of this information about the satellites and whatnot is public information but nobody knows it like it's available for the public but nobody knows that this exists right so without you working this story uh you know that type of information wouldn't be all tied together yeah now they won't be able to get away with it the next time right because we know they like yeah you've got satellites everywhere you've got all this visibility everywhere we know about the radar stuff and like I said I never would have anticip we'd find out any of that stuff early on Investigation that's why it's even blown me away and why like I I think my letter to Congress which I probably going to write a new version that's like updated um in a few weeks but like I read that my own letter like 20 times CU even I'm reading I'm like Jesus how was this real anyway um but yeah let's go on to some other uh people who had their hands up for a little while no noade actually know you had your hand up and we skipped over you a couple times so go ahead sir or ma'am hello hey hi definitely sir okay go for it oh um right okay so I I I'll do the MH370 first I don't I don't think the videos are real um but if we could just like what you say like okay so if you take put the the videos to one side forget about the videos and take the rest of the evidence um that's some interesting people on that plane just that alone that just that alone um so if we if we but I think people have just got so caught up with the videos you know it's it's just a shame but um yeah anyway that's that's all I got to say about that uh uh Chris bledo thing right you need to talk to Tupac Cabra about Chris bledo because I think he's the only one in the room that's had a vision that was like 15 years previously he had a vision of Chris bledo and um on bledo said so with his son interviewing him so there's a good data point and also Grant Cameron was at his house and I don't know much about Grant Cameron but I think he's like credible but Grant Cameron um well he was there witnessing the orbs so I I I think Chris is 100% I I can't believe that he'd be blagging it that I just can't he he he had his life destroyed you know it's just there's too much like backstory to it for him to have made that all up and ask uh ask ask Sam about about his vision that that is crazy yeah no good points on that what I would say too about the videos is part of what turns me off on them is first of all just generally being typ cast around them when in reality I'm really just trying to be an investigator digging into them but also all the competing priorities like it's impossible for me to make everybody happy you've got people that are out there saying they wanted to be non-human intelligence sorry aliens I should say you got people out there saying the plane was remote controlled you got people saying it's been shot down uh people saying the plane crashed you got people saying they want the CCP was involved or United States and you know the reality is like it's you can't make everybody happy all the time out there and then of course the people that say it's you know it's all VFX and what have you and everything's fake and playe crash in right okay um also sorry yeah that right so I don't know which video it is but the one where the plane comes swooping down and like it leaves a a trail and it comes swooping down and then the the the orbs are coming in one at a time so on I think on the second or third orb if uh you go frame by frame there's a frame where the plane uh jumped the the the planes jumping frame by frame but the orb on one of the frames moves twice and that there was my kind of like red flag that one of the frames that orb is moving twice to the frame of the plane and that can't happen so yeah so people want to check that out so I have gone through it frame by frame and kind which frame is it so we can all verify it h [ __ ] news we probably not figure that out directly on this particular space but that's something we can look into uh later for sure I know and then a lot of people have had a lot of stuff that's out there um but yeah if you guys have solid evidence and you put it together you can reply to my posts and I potentially will look into it um I do try to review as much info out there as I can uh related to the case and uh of course I've pulled in a lot of stuff from the community because the investigation definitely began as a community Le inv investigation as well so I want to thank everybody who's who's been part of it um let's oh one other thing I want to bring up real quick and then we'll go to some more questions um going back to the issue uh or the point I don't know which of you guys brought it up about complexity and the idea of information and Technology growth um this is something where I put in the what is this the nest I don't know what these words are the pill whatever anyway put it in the top of the screen here this interview I did with uh royy Herbert who's a theoretical physicist oh he's in the chat right now he's been shy um but one thing that I think is really interesting is this idea going back to the science side which is that if you think of information as a string and information getting more and more longer and growing and growing you can think of the string is getting longer and longer and potentially kind of becoming more and more complex um from the quantum scale and if you scale that up to the general relativity scale you can think of it as like our solar system or our galaxy going from a gaseous Cloud to solid planets um the idea that this could explain dark matter I think is a really cool concept um and then the reason why this is important is that dark matter is what the stickiness the stuff that's the extra mass that's uh allowing galaxies to spin around their uh black hole faster than what we would expect when we look at them and if complexity explains that that can explain potentially why we don't see more matter why we can't see dark matter in general is that it's just an emergent property of complexity and how how systems generally end up getting more complex and the more the longer those strings get they start to form gravity and to the point someone was making about entanglement in quantum computers is that once you get to a certain amount of cubits of information then perhaps that can form begin to form some amounts of gravity and that's how potentially you can have um all this excess mass and stickiness that we see that we can't visually see out there um just a thought I wanted to share uh let's go to I think we'll go to Darcy again because he hasn't spoken too much and then uh ronj and then uh Mike uip Mike go ahead uh Darcy yo what's up uh so you know when when looking at um recent documents that have come out in terms of uh awareness in space you can look this up anybody who's on this you know space can check out the sdp 3-100 space domain awareness dock uh this was produced by the space force believe it or not and you know they show some early figures of what what kind of like satellite exposure was directly around the planet um back in like let's say the 1960s the 1990s and even now um and it's just like it's in stain how much is out there probably more than 50% of it is trash at this point because you know you can have solar panels powering this stuff but it all has to usually go back to some kind of fuel cell like uh batteries or something like that um so you know I would just say that like it's really hard and I think it's going to get even harder when it comes to like d own technology um to identify credible U UFOs or uaps in space or you know in our atmosphere um as technology just com completely uh gets overhauled and we have just new tech hitting the scene all the time especially when you think about you know the space force is doing this uh awareness study and they're like supposed to be the most Supreme uh let's say Defense Agency the American government has to employ right now they're supposed to be like the the very top and they're going to connect to all the other uh defense intelligence and um administrations but um they're looking at space in such an analytical way now and I wonder if like disclosure kind of comes from the space force to some degree and NASA in the in the coming years just because they're supposed to be at the top of this sort of like defense power pyramid um and what else did I want to speak to oh you were mentioning Danny shien talking about how there's like this um very real video out there where a actual non-human intelligence he didn't really say whether it was like alien like extraterrestrial which would have been the old nhi uh explanation but now we're getting into like transdimensional whatever all kinds of ideas of non-human intelligence maybe even AI non non-human AI um if you think about that dni video I I actually did like a quick expose on it on my YouTube channel and that original video the way that it was presented was through a made for TV documentary and everything about it my opinion sort of seems to point to being fake like basically a puppet uh like some guys hand up a puppet's ass like moving around a mo and maybe moving the the forehead of this uh doll basically like we've had sophisticated and animated uh puppets for a long time now you look at like Rick Baker's um practical effects uh workshop and so many others that have like emulated that guy's practical effects since the 60s 7s uh up until now um I think that was just like a really good practical effect uh sort of recreation because I leave it open for the idea that maybe they couldn't actually put a real dni video out there to the public um if the producers of that made for TV show were presented with something that was real um maybe they recreated that and that's why you have this like super sus made for TV kind of like animatronic style puppeted uh alien interview right and and it came the show the name of the show that it came from is uh an alien interview at Area 51 right and then the the guy who's supposed to be The Whistleblower that like sits in the dark and has a voice modification his name is supposed to be Victor they re re-release that in 2004 and his Victor's interview wearing like a a ma face mask which I think was Ronald Reagan or something like that in a car was like laughable it was pretty act poorly acted so it just kind of like leaves so much room to be debunked but I think there's still got to be possibilities of us interviewing a non-human intelligence but it would just be like buried in some kind of Vault um you know owned by the dod in some capacity like some intelligence agency yeah I think that uh you made a lot of good points there one is that if there are crafts that are flying around whether or not they're from here from somewhere else NASA and space force are definitely seeing them right they got satellites everywhere they're definitely seeing them they're not going to be able to hide that much and the the satellite capabilities have been hidden I think I think the keemstar was even bringing it up earlier where it's like um one of the earliest articles I found back in September was there was a contractor that stole satellite info for like Africa or something like that they faced death penalty like the penalties for releasing this stuff are super super serious and that's the reason why we don't see a lot of that stuff all the time and then to your point about I think it's the dni that's the I believe the alien interview that's out there um one thing just to play Devil's Advocate I would say is that almost everything that's out there has been debunked there's very little out there that somebody hasn't thrown some debunk at it right but if this phenomenon is real if uh aliens are real and visiting us then some of this stuff's got to be real and then the question is okay well what if it is real and what of it isn't real right um and I think that's just what I would challenge people to kind of think of of course everything can can be faked I think we all can agree to that anything can really be fake but if the phenomenon is real that some of it out there probably is and it's it's like how do we tell the difference you know I think that's a challenge that we all kind of have to think about I'm not seeking anyone to look the answer up but um just think about it um Roni let's go to you and let's go to UAP Mike and then I'm probably going to close down in about 15 minutes um and uh yeah so let's do a couple more questions here hey uh I have one comment one question um so first one I comment I just want to make is is I feel like it's just a really fundamental like thing of just being alive which is that just truth has no downside like there's you know other than you know maybe the exception I don't even know if it's an exception of like you know your spouse having extramarital Affairs but even in that case like you got to that point because there's lack of honesty and trust and truth you know to begin with so like to me I guess I'm 41 in my lifetime I've never seen where like truth is the wrong way to go and I feel like that to me when you were talking about you know you're not in it for you're in it basically for the truth for the F for the families of the the victims or who knows if they're you know they might not even be victims you don't even know but they they certainly feel bad right now I'm sure but um yeah that to me is just one fundamental point and then the second one I was I'm GNA definitely watch that uh that video or podcast you had with uh with Roy I just had a question about it potentially um regarding the complexity thing so and I don't know if Roy wants to chime in on this since he might know more um but like so were you guys at all going down the train of thought of potentially like the holographic principle and how it can describe the the weird phenomenon that you can take any three-dimensional piece of space and the maximum amount of I might have the vocabulary wrong here but the maximum amount of complexity which is entropy I don't know if entropy is the right word there but the maximum amount of entropy within that three-dimensional space is proportional to its surface area as opposed to what you would naturally think would be its volume which leads which ties itself or came was derived from like what they came from how a black hole works the maximum amount you know it's it's maximally entropic and the amount of stuff it's consumed is proportional to its surface area rather than it's the volume of it which then they say okay if you extrapolate that out to like if that was the universe so like we are basically just a three-dimensional representation of a two-dimensional boundary at the edge of the universe where like there's a almost like a Quantum Code at the edge of the unifor universe that is like essentially holographically projecting Us in the bulk like inside it um even though reality is still real like it doesn't question reality it's just how what's the method to the madness so to speak um yeah that's pretty much it um just and I'll let you do follow-ups because yes we definitely were talking about holographic principle um you know simulated reality Matrix is what I was calling it during the interview I think you should definitely check it out um and again the important part is it's doesn't diminish the value of our life and our lived experiences at all right even if the inside the black hole we crack it open there's nothing in there that doesn't mean that if we are living inside one that our lives are fake I mean to some sense they're imaginary but in a very real sense it's it's real we still know that what we're experiencing is actually happening right and we all interacting with the other we're all in this space right now talking to one another this actually happened no matter what um but yes there is this idea that there's some underlying rules like if you were to think of it as like a code of a program a hierarchy of okay yes here's the underlying rules that are beyond what we can visually see and experience because we are in a biological body that uh has limitations to that to what we can sense and what we can feel right so yes in that sense I think you'll enjoy that interview a lot uh Roy is a really smart guy and I think he is well said that the universe is like a projection Upon A gage lattice uh even in his in our interview yeah yeah no sorry just that's so interesting to me it's weird because you know I bring that sometimes out you know weird people out and I'll bring this up in random discussions with friends or whatever and just the look on their face like you know it it's like it's so surreal you know like how can you even think about this stuff it like you know makes it makes it seem like we're some type of computer program or you know some type of false reality and it's like it's hard to wrap your mind around but it's fun to think about I just think of it as kind of a cool like thought experiment mind place to go to but yeah sorry for taking enough time I appreciate it oh you're fine no and I think that yeah for a lot of people it's a little bit too much for me the first time I started to experience it and believe that was when I saw the double slit experiment and that's when I'm like wait a minute I've never seen an experiment where just by changing and and trying to observe what's happening you change the outcome of the experiment right and that's when I realized wait maybe there is more to this reality than we see U Mike you've had your hand up for a while go ahead buddy yeah thanks and um so a lot to the graphic principle here and this is like a a three senten in summary from um Bernardo castrop who's uh really you know he's a computer science PhD and he's got a philosophy PhD so double PhD guy and uh he has this uh Theory of Everything right about Cosmic Consciousness where all organisms are but disassociated altars of cosmic Consciousness surrounded by its thoughts the inanimate world we see around us is the extrinsic appearance of these thoughts and the living organ organisms we share the world with are the uh extrinsic appearance of other disassociated altars so I think that's a and it's a good unifying Theory um and you know thoughts on that and the other thing I'd like to ask you Ashton is uh you know do you think there are bases on the moon good one um I don't know I don't know if there's Bas I don't think so right now but um yeah I'm open to anything the thing that's weird to me about the Moon is why haven't we gone back right especially technolog is Advanced and we're sending Ro Rovers to Mars but we've just never gone back to the moon since the 60s like that was 60 years ago we're going back this year and for sure there's Bas on the moon aremis baby AR misss okay well uh what I say is that my mind has been opened up a lot in the last few months especially so I try not to judge or rule anything out um without really digging into it and even things that seem esoteric um you know I try not to put them down just for my own biases and preconceptions so and I would challenge everybody else to try to do the same you know not just about beliefs but about people in general um so yeah uh good thoughts on I love seeing mic here it's awesome D blocking the spirit of it he brought up good points too about the Consciousness right is that perhaps I think a lot of people would argue and this isn't even that esoteric but from an actual science perspective that our reality is simply our Collective conscious and it's almost like every person's conscious is competing for what that reality how that reality be shaped and I think I was mentioning this earlier AG that yeah I was mentioning earlier about this idea of like maybe if we all put Positive Vibes out there we can collectively shape our reality and maybe we can force disclosure to happen if we all really think about what it would look like in that future that we imagine right it's kind of interesting imagine Susan GW naked and then she'll have to tell us the truth I'm I'm imagining my Scarlett Johansson clone go ahead I believe emotions like it's the Spectrum and what I try to do is I try to use love as my like you think of that right like I associate it to a memory and then I disassociate the mation to to feel my reactionary emotion and I feel that that that's the best way if you're trying to engage with that Collective conscious suest everybody just try that close your eyes just say the word love in a meditative State and get yourself to that that Peak thing and I also suggest neuro feedback I do it every week thanks awesome thanks for that feedback uh William I know you were in uh the live stream and you wanted to I think teach us a little bit of science go ahead sir hi Ashton nice to finally talk to you um okay so what I want to do is um I want to try and explain a different way that the orbs could move that would explain how they move in the video okay so first this is going to sound weird okay but I swing nunchuck okay and nunchucks hold a kind of key to this all right so first let's go over spherical magnets spherical magnets when they attach to things there's a high gal spot on the North and the South Pole okay and that high gal spot will pull the spherical magnet around so that that's the spot that gets stuck to the to the metal okay now that's going to be important now let's assume that these devices are devices okay and they're devices that can control the size of their magnetic field big and small and on and off okay so you have this magnet that that's a device and the way it works is the magnetic field can be totally off it can be on a little bit or it could be blazing really really big now you wouldn't see the magnetic field around the device but it would be there nonetheless okay so let's say you have this device that can control its magnetic field you fire the orb at the plane and you let it sail right past as it sails past you blow the magnetic field up and that high gal spot will find the plane and attract to it now you now you have momentum flying toward the plane when it gets close you cut it and it will start dropping with gravity when it drops below the plane you can turn it back on and it find that spot and it'll attach like a rope and then the the orb would swing around the plane okay now once you have two of them they would move almost identical to nunchucks and that's exactly what you see in the video then you get three and when there's three they when you have three of them they can get in this pattern where they'll kind of lock in you got to play with magnets to see what I'm talking about I bought a bunch of magnets that's how I learned all this stuff so so they're moving in this triangular pattern and right before they flip and then there's a zap they they do a spin and that twist is an important part of it because what they're doing is they're aligning the poles to that spot that they're going to zap to and what's going on what's going on I think is there's a bubble of magnetism created by the three orbs turned on all the way okay so each one has a bubble and then there's a bubble that overlaps in the middle which would have been over the plane when you collapse that bubble it's like it's just like a bubble okay you got a bubble the two poles compress until they snap together like a magnet then you have a donut this dut has electricity running through it and what happens is as it collapses it twists on itself like a rubber band and then the two opposing electric uh currents hit and cancel out and then you just get nothing it's just gone so that's my theory on it and my theory about how these orbs could move without the need for super forces or anything like that just simple magnetism yeah appreciate that William in fact you just reminded me of something that's on my evidence list is that the other day we were looking at the videos and that's there's always so many more details we keep uncovering even months later and I think you just mentioned one of them is that right before that zap happens if you watch in slow-mo can actually see the orbs change their orientation um and it almost looks like the blurring but you you can tell if you look at it closely it's not blurring it's actually their orbs are just spinning on different axis right before they like you pointed out they do seem to orient so I may actually do a follow-up uh piece on that now that we've kind of discovered that detail because that's a really odd detail and I think that I love the passion that you bring William I know I've seen a lot of your drawings you guys should check out William's uh Twitter if you want to see them for yourself where so many different people and I don't know who's right about them or maybe May nobody's right maybe the videos are fake but a lot of different people have looked at them and have their own kind of views on oh this proves my theory of this either uh from the engineering perspective or from the physics perspective um and I just think that's awesome because I think that you know it expands our understanding of Science and it it gets those ideas out there into the open where if we didn't have these videos like you wouldn't have that kind of evidence to put forth so um however it plays out I think that's pretty amazing um let's do one more question and then we'll do a quick uh close out Jesse go ahead thank you sir appreciate it and sorry I just want to apologize for earlier I didn't figure out where the hand was until now but uh I just want to say yeah thank you guys for having this um so I've done a lot of uh uh communicating on Twitter and Stu that and I've talked to like Corbell and had replies from Corbell and um from colart and all those kind of guys but the one question I always ask um I'm from Canada by the way Vancouver and I've watched season 4 of of um skin or mystery of Skinwalker Ranch and like there it's all datab based evidence that they're showing of not just orbs but all of these things that we're talking about yet I see nothing in any type of media about it um I don't know if that's because of it's you know it's on the History Channel or or whatever but you know like they've got an EKG on the guy's head while Chris bledo is is pulling or calling out or uh a bunch of was it 20 or 30 orbs and and uaps with Andy bamon who's former CIA I'm just curious why this hasn't got more traction that's all thank you yeah I think that everybody has their own interpretation of that you know you could argue like what David grush had said that if this stuff is real there's definitely going to be a sophisticated disinformation campaign that's meant to keep it secret my personal opinion is especially if you look at social media in general I don't just mean Twitter but all social media you'll find there's a lot of people that are weirdly dedicated to proving things to be fake out there or and nowadays especially about throwing out CGI putting CGI stuff out there that really muddies the waters it makes it hard for people to believe anything to be real right and I think yeah go ahead sorry I was gonna say but the thing about Skinwalker Ranch like they're using like Chris bledo he lives in New England like I've seen him on all sorts of podcasts and they're using an EKG and it shows his brain waves are just instantly going into a meditative State while he's sitting there watching calling out with his hand and there there's orbs and everything flying around like have you guys seen the season 4 like I I just figure that's one where you can actually go talk to Chris bled so like that's data that's proof yeah yeah it's definitely data and I think that it's to the point where like a lot of stuff that we've mentioned before today so just to summarize some of it is that know a lot of people unless it impacts them directly they just don't care um we also live in a world where everything can be faked where like I've had three experiences sorry that's the only reason why it's so frustrating for me like in Royal Canada like I've seen it in the air just random things that stop and then go and become a shooting star like sorry no you're fine and I think that yeah it can be frustrating for people that have had personal experiences right and people that um like I think what John was here earlier he says that you know I know it's real but it gets to a point where you can't believe anything not even videos it's that it just comes down to really what you believe and what you've experienced and what you've seen personally and I think that we just live in a world now where you know because everything can be faked everything out there everything that's out there has basically been debunked one way or another does that mean those debunks are valid and credible not necessarily and that's where we have to try to figure out okay how do we then go ahead and prove the stuff to be real the other thing we talked about today is we talked about this idea that what would it take for your standard CNN brain person to really believe in the phenomenon to believe that aliens were actually here on our planet you know the the bar is so high now where we were even talking about even if the president came out out if Joe Biden came out and said yep aliens are real I think half the country would be like okay they're definitely fake then right like the bar is so I know I know how blockchaining free energy because if Tesla proved it Greer's got a campaign like he shows all these people that have died or whatever that had that technology for that Zero Point Energy Quantum vacuum blah blah blah if somebody could put that free like Greer says on a blockchain then right there you've got that energy source yeah maybe I'm just going to go ahead and mute cuz I want to close out a little bit here just uh keep it um high and tight and I appreciate everybody who's jumped in but yeah the the level of proof is going to be tough I happen to agree that the way that it's going to be done is through science itself where we get to a point where we can prove the science to be real and when we can prove that science to be real then we can raise everyone's Collective conscious to a point where we can understand and believe that these uh uaps UFOs flying around that technology can be real where we can believe that yes there can be other beings that are you know outside the bounds of what we think is human that can exist out there and that they might even be able to visit us heck maybe they can interact with our governments and shape our uh our civilization as well um and so that you know again that's the point of what this uh space is where I want to put myself in the UAP UFO Community is one where we can advance those discussions so just to close out I want to thank everybody who's been here everybody who's been participating here today um I especially I'm just going to do one specific shout out to Sandy Foster who I think was the very first person who joined this space and she's been listening intently the whole time and hasn't left uh thank you very much Sandy for being a follower but thank you everybody else who's been following along with this as well and if you're somebody else who's out there who's either just being introduced to me my community or this space or these discussions you know follow the people that are up here that are speaking the people that are trying to push this information forward um especially people like red panda I know that tupacabra is here earlier you got people like keemstar who's gotten involved in this stuff and everybody else who have been the regulars who've been coming on um these are the types of discussions where this is how we're going to go ahead and raise that level of Consciousness you know like was just pointed out by Jesse the mainstream media doesn't cover these topics very often maybe some of them start to but this is how we push it forward as we just start talking about it this is how we get the people who don't care about the information who don't doesn't personally impact them this is how we get it into their Zeitgeist into their worldview so thank thank you guys very much for following along with everything related to m370x uh the UFOs aliens orbs the science related to it all um I appreciate you guys all um and I appreciate you guys for elevating the conversation here tonight so everyone have a great night I'm going to go and I'm going to go watch uh the Barbie movie because I'm going to go turn off my turn my CNN brain on and uh become one of those normies who you know doesn't uh for for a few minutes doesn't really think about all the greater implications of advanced hyper advanced technology that changes our world so thank you guys guys have a good evening okay chat so that was our uh introductory space into the UFO Community I hope everybody on uh YouTube on the stream enjoyed it I hope you guys had uh gained some good insights I think that was a pretty fun space that we had here tonight we were able to chat with people like keemstar tupacabra um we were able to chat with with uh red panda we even had UAP Mike come on who's been one of our distractors but you know I think it's really important that we get everybody's perspectives out there and so I hope that this conversation can begin to be a bridge to you know getting just kind of healing some of the community that's out there getting R of some of the toxicity that's out there it's going to take all of us right we can't be picking and choosing who we talk to if we want to have uh this disclosure movement move forward in a positive way where we start to reach more more people so my focus of course is always going to be on the science and the technology but I'm happy to have conversations with other people as well um guys make sure that you check out the Tim pool culture Awards podcast on Friday Dave Rossy deod engineer uh is going to and contractor is going to be on with me and we're going to talk about MH370 we're going to talk about the advanced science that's out there it's going to be pretty sweet looking forward to that um I'm not going to do more stream tonight I'm going to close this out for tonight I'm going to go relax and rest um but keep following along with the investigation and keep folling along with the case guys