MH370x - Jesse Michels/Eric Weinstein Space 2/2/24

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# MH370x - Jesse Michels/Eric Weinstein Space 2/2/24 Malayan 370 contact 129 breaking news tonight A Malaysia Airlines flight with 239 people on board including four Americans has gone missing [Music] I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita Vishnu is trying to persuade the prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says now I am become de the destroyer of worlds hey what's up chat how are we doing tonight appreciate everybody already being here getting in quick appreciate you yes Dorian you got in first welcome buddy welcome everyone cheers blue cheese ol of Martini KN I had to get some new uh new olives the other ones were not working they were not working um yeah that's fine cat a lot of people don't know anything about the case it is what it is uh uh uh I I was actually on with Alex Jones so he probably knows about the case if you tell him about the missing plane uh literally did a whole piece with Alex Jones so I'm pretty sure he knows about me I was on Infowars um he may just have forgotten so let's see what are we uh why is my sound so high today h weird oh that's why turn it down a little bit that should be better okay um yeah appreciate you the below hey everybody what's going on okay so what are we doing tonight um we're going to go over little the new cers information that's going on we're going to look at some Fleer footage that was posted and we're going to talk about Malcolm bendal uh a little bit we're going to write a letter to step Greer today we got a lot of stuff to do here and uh we're going to jump into this space in a minute as well and we're going to talk with Skyfire news and keemstar and red panda koala in a few minutes so that's the plan we should probably just get right into it because we got a lot to get through so let's get started okay why does this always become smaller okay um let's start with uh this Fleer footage I haven't posted yet pool request on Reddit I'm happy to see the people have actually done a little bit of Investigation now um he found uh he or she I don't know found a pallet that is similar to the Drone video that's in blue where people had said that they they don't they don't look like this well here you go there's the blue palette for you folks I'm not sure why this is actually controversial statement but they definitely have the pallet that we see in the Drone video I think some people some debunkers try to argue that's it's not like that I think there was even a Fleer supposed Twitter Fleer expert who didn't realize that this is what Drone footage looked like now of course when I asked that person I think their name was David Falk or something like that just complete loser like just pretended like they were an expert when they really weren't an expert at all just because they have a a commercial grade Fleer footage Fleer video at at their home as if that's going to be equivalent to military and I remember when I asked them if they had any experience with mq1 C drones they didn't say anything cuz these people on Twitter everybody wants to pretend like they're an expert when they're not it's it's really embarrassing so absolutely no question whatsoever they drones do have the capability to film in the blue uh palet rainbow palette that we see in this uh MH370 drone video you can't listen to random pretend experts on Twitter they have no idea what they're talking about same with the fake experts on Reddit as well you there had to be half a dozen people on Reddit pretending like they don't have uh color footage like this they're just all literal Liars right Gatekeepers and Liars who pretend like they have expertise when they don't um several of them especially are like some of the people that are like the biggest trolls on the debunker subreddit all literally just yeah I mean another loss for Reddit I mean it's they're just the most embarrassing honestly how much they lie about stuff like this and they the thing is they confidently lie about it too right they just confidently lie li like there that doesn't look like that they don't have any footage like that blah blah blah just literal just lies upon lies upon lies it's ridiculous so absolutely this exists um I think these are the sources yeah okay I mean look at this come on man what do you mean they don't have rainbow pallet ridiculous man ridiculous so pool request good job good investigation not not bad appreciate you bud okay um next thing cuz I want to get into this here as well um let's go to the cers stuff so man a lot of cber stuff today whoa so I posted well the scaler thing is really interesting as well that this seems to be the secret scalers so if you want to watch the video uh I posted some uh whatever captions over it so you can watch this video about scalers and what scalers are um but really this is like how you explain the toids and what the toids are doing pretty much to create a scalar wave which can create a gravitational wave I mean we're we're really close to figuring it out um I did a followup on this so I I'll give um some partial credit to tacky eni who I don't know we just this dude's off the deep end unfortunately but I still going to give him some partial credit this is somebody who put in some early on investigative work and they seem to have come back to life a little bit recently but for some reason like because I refused to like this is one of those people who DMD me early on and like insisted that it has to be aliens in the videos even though there's literally no evidence whatsoever for it and got super upset when I told them to stop and they wouldn't stop dming me and they ended up getting blocked and then they like had a total meltdown over it and like that's how you get permanently blocked forever you have little fits thinking that like you I owe you something to listen to you to listen to you in my DMs I do not owe that of anybody um and the worst part is like they're they're 100% sure it's aliens and their logic is just completely flawed it's like their logic is well doesn't it make more sense for it to be aliens because aliens could be more capable of something like this it's like dude that's not how any of this works like you don't know what the capabilities of aliens would be so you're just like it you have to follow actual science and logic and reason could it maybe be aliens maybe but it's not worth trying to fight people over in general right so despite all that oh yeah and then they posted on the other the three orbs subreddit and started calling me grifter and stuff like that and then they get surprised when they get banned which of course you're going to get banned if you start literally defaming the moderator in your replies like takeni like get the help that you need my man because then right after he gets banned the very first thing he does is go to the debunker subreddit and sit there and whine about it and of course not like point out the fact that he was sitting there defaming the moderator he makes it sound like he got banned for no reason it's just like these people are just so [ __ ] pathetic it's ridiculous man so of course then I permanently banned him after that like I banned him for only seven days at first to give him a chance and then he immediately goes to the other subreddit and cries about it it's like okay you're definitely getting permanently banned after that like it's just it's so sad and the worst part is how they Gaslight and seek validation from the other losers on Reddit like no Ashton unbanned me unfairly like dude you literally are called me a grifter for no reason at all like you didn't even have to include that in your in your comment but like you obviously have some weird thing for me and you can't get past it right just you know if you can't be a normal adult just don't post online man it's a private subreddit too what do you expect dude you know I'm a moderator just present the facts exactly like Robert Romero's saying so anyway I'm still giving you partial credit for having found um some of these links here anyway so we found this link or he found this link and in this link it mentions that the cber system is constantly scanning the Earth every 10 seconds the whole earth continuous view of all the Earth's surface which it images every 10 seconds the entire Earth now this is a giveaway because we're looking at something in six frames per second this is going to be important wait for the next post guys because now I can see the debunker saying oh well this says every 10 seconds but we see something in six frames per second right so how can that be that doesn't line up don't don't worry we'll we'll get to it the other part is that people a lot of these people just been lying about the cber systems not online this is the same as the fake Fleer experts who are like I don't know why so many people just make up [ __ ] and pretend like they're experts no the system system wasn't online there was no satellites in range blah blah blah like why do people make up all this [ __ ] why do they pretend to be experts and make up all this [ __ ] the cber system reached operational capacity in 2013 end of debate s CER system was online it was mapping the whole globe when MH370 went missing also as we're going to find from the next post it operationalized old DSP satellites in its constellation as well so it's not just made up of only the satellites that we know of it's made up of other satellites not necessarily launched directly related to cers we know that as a fact now and it enables them to detect and characteriz a wide range of infrared phenomenon why is this important because people argue why is it white in the in the satellite video and black in the thermal video because they're using different IR visual capabilities in the cber system than they use for a p rainbow pallet thermal drone uh layer okay in addition to that can detect any significant infrared event on the globe including explosions fires and plane crashes okay so how did it not detect MH370 guys how did it not detect MH370 literally the system detects plane crashes so where is it we literally have them on record saying cber system helped solve the mystery of MH370 how where where's the plane man how could you not see it you're scanning the globe every 10 seconds every 10 seconds a catalog of signatures electromagnetic and IR of aircraft literally proof that it can scan for aircraft right here 100% proof cber system absolutely 100% would have seen MH370 no question whatsoever this is absolute proof okay next one Wall Street Journal four days ago made this video does it look familiar chat does this look familiar hold on I'm going to put my headphon sound on look at this it's the cers video they actually added a couple Graphics to it there it is look at this Chad there it is the cers video they didn't even credit oh they did locky Martin right up there in the top left so they have a stare and a scanner so the question why is in six frames per second because it's using the stair now I think it might actually be staring from the GE stationary satellites so why the angle because it's going to be in the geostationary satellite angle from the earth it might actually be staring from the geostationary satellites it might not actually be using USA 229 even though we have a literal satellite pair staring flight right over it that's a naval ocean surveillance satellite pair staring right down at the spot at 1840 UTC so the answer is we got multiple satellites staring at it we might have geostationary ones staring directly at that spot using the stair or it could be our USA 229 which has a sister satellite that could even take 3D stereoscopic imagery that the whole purpose is literally Naval ocean surveillance and it's and this one goes around the world every 90 minutes so every day these two satellites are basically mapping the entire planet by themselves so absolutely no doubt whatsoever United States government knows exactly what happened to this plane it goes on to say not only do they have stairs that can search at specific locations and widespread locations to scan the whole planet every 10 seconds It also says that their quote unquote future plans which you know who knows when this actually happened include utilizing low earth orbit satellites and midar orbit satellites what are your low earth orbit satellites boom right here these are your low earth orbit satellites so how would the cber system use low earth orbit satellites guys if it's going 16,000 miles hour how I'm going to repeat that for the debunkers they are on record saying that cbers uses low earth orbit satellites on record that's what that Wall Street Journal piece says but everyone wants to know well the satellites are moving too fast how could they take images well it's pretty damn simple because they're scanning the Earth and they're sending the data to a computer system that creates a 3D or just not maybe not 3D but video Google Earth playback we deduced it it's real we have all the evidence we need to prove it so how could we have produced all this evidence if those videos are fake how would we have figured all this out just from two videos if the videos are fake so which hoaxer knew about all this stuff to make all these details line up 10 years ago nobody videos have to be real simple as that debunkers are going back on the suicide watch folks back on the suicide watch okay next thing can we foyer the satellite imagery no we cannot it's classified you can't foyer anything that's classified we can try but I've already foed USA 229 I foed USA 229 back in September along with MH370 to the nro I got a technical rejection saying it would take over 20 days that was four months ago and I've gotten nothing back so I mean we can but we get rejected for everything but yes I did Foya uh USA 229 so anyone who doesn't who now continues to make the false claims that satellites can't work like that or whatever it is we have absolute proof they're wrong now no more [ __ ] about satellites moving too fast no more nonsense about any of that it's all been disproven 100% debunkers balls in your court okay um Malcolm Bendle uh I got in touch tou with George Howard today who is knows Malcolm Bendle as well as Randall Carlson had an awesome talk with him situation uh this is just going to be a brief intro to this discussion I'm not going to dig too much into it but it's a small world is what I'll say and it's even smaller when it comes to this technology I'm now 110% sure that there's technology that can change the whole planet and it's just simply people don't realize that it's real and they people get dis credited for nonsense it's not true and that's how the stuff gets kept hidden it's not even a matter of proving the stuff's real it is real it's a matter of uh getting people to wake up that's really just the reality and uh I'm looking forward to potentially talking with people like Randall Carlson Malcolm bendal Etc in the future um you know I just don't even care at all about what the detractors say anymore it just doesn't matter if people want to go back to sleep and live in their world world of uh you know cable news and [ __ ] politics go nuts man uh just it's completely irrelevant to me at this point yeah a lot of people got to see it to believe it well reality is you're seeing it on two videos right if you expect that you are going to have a front row seat to watching a plane disappear uh bu some orbs uh you're going to die unfortunately without ever knowing the truth that's I don't mean to be rude but that's just the reality of the situation right not every single thing that's out there are you going to be able to see firsthand now when it comes to stuff about the thunderstorm generator which somebody just mentioned that kind of stuff you might be able to see yes because it's public information it's not uh it's not classified or whatever else it's actually public information I would say here's my advice I'm not going to go into depth on it you probably want to check out the thunderstorm generator guys probably want to go check it out I think it's legit that's what I'm going to say uh Yousef ask Ashton how do you discover this footage why did it only get discovered in the last few months genuinely curious actually it has been out there for 10 years I did not Discover it I'm not the person who discovered it I'm just the person who has been promoting it I'm just a person who's been promoting it um back in August I saw these videos and I had seen the the Drone one the thermal video I had seen this back in 2014 and back then I was I was a CNN brain back then I had looked at it one time and didn't know what I was looking at I just thought this was some weird fake corny video game right back then and I looked at it again in 2023 in August and I went oh wait wait a minute that's a drone I went this is a Fleer footage but it's got blue on it and then I saw the second video which was this one actually I saw the side by side one and I went wait a minute there's two videos in perfect synchronization and then somebody posted this one you can see them in both perfect synchronization I went holy crap these might be the best UFO videos in the history of the world and so I started following the investigation I started posting about it on Twitter and now we're at where we're at now I had you know in August I had 30 followers on Twitter most of them were fake um and now I've got almost I think 79,000 followers right now um and that's how I the reason why I became this person is simply because I chose to be somebody who put myself out there that I gave out my person my my my name my real identity I chose not to be anonymous because I realized that there's no way to disclose this with while being anonymous you have to be somebody who's willing to be attacked and of course that's exactly what has happened but it's fine I knew that's what would occur now I didn't know this would be I didn't know I would get attacked as hard as I've gotten by people and including like podcasters and stuff like that who've just come after me um but it's a learning process for me as well I'm just a normal person who's trying to figure this all out like you guys are yeah it's crazy how this has been in the public for for years never picked up but the reality is if you look at it of course you can see why right it's unbelievable it's unbelievable when I stared at it I went wait a minute like how can this be real it took me two weeks to come to terms with this potentially being real where we might actually be able to teleport an airplane two weeks for me to come to terms with it and I'm the guy telling people it's real so I don't blame anybody for thinking it's fake or whatever but it's too many small details man and all the physicist and engine that I've been talking to at least say that it confirms what they've seen what they what their theories are and that's the probably the most some of the most compelling Parts about it so um okay we can talk more about this stuff a little later I want to jump on this space and listen in to the Skyfire news stuff that's out there yeah the moment I saw two different angles like rotary says that's when I was in but the time where I was really convinced as when um people put together the fact that what you're seeing here with this mouse that comes on the screen right here in the top right this mouse this mouse is consistent with the citric session this means somebody's actually logged into a database while they're recording this and it's not the full screen this is a cropped screen recording which is why you don't see the Drone when I saw that detail I went holy crap this is a real person that leaked this and it's probably a US military personnel cuz I knew that probably like the US government just like big companies probably use Citrix and if they use Citrix then this is consistent with how you would pull satellite data from a computer in like Utah while you're on an airplane or in Iraq or anywhere else right is you log into a remote session a citric session and when I saw that detail I went okay nobody's faking that into their fake video nobody's faking that right so pretty wild miror has a metal metal met samples analyzed by senior IBM S I don't know what that means I don't know what that means man yeah Don Lemon the it is kind of a black hole but it's also not it's technically not a black hole but it's really weird that Don Lemon talks about the black hole thing very very weird th when I saw this flash accurately illuminate the clouds as well that's another indication that what we were looking at was real here I mean look at this some you think do someone do you think really think this is a graphic that accurately illuminates the clouds n man no CGI videos of this quality period not even the major Studios can make videos that are this high quality okay okay let's jump into the space we can do more questions and stuff like that in a little bit where's the Skyfire here it is totally agree I think it would totally be used as like a way and that's what Jessie know the book Chains of the see when Lou Alando was on his podcast tour he was asked what fiction book does he feel represents the phenomena well and he said this book called chains of the sea which not many people or talked about at that point and basically one thing that it has that other UFO books don't have is that there's a really big AI component and a quick thanks to to skyine news and all you guys that are associated with it um and thanks to Jesse and Kurt see for lot the excellent media work they've been doing for the last few years tackling UFOs and you know wider phenomena and science topics um yeah on the AI and Aliens AI in Alien techn signature research there a couple of things that touch some of you probably know Gabrielle dor and his team over in Spain and they they've they've been do some really cool work with like AI like applied technal research particularly the study they did with using an AI uh tool that was learning from astronomical images and that they you know they run through through the learning and then it was applied to images from series and the dwarf planet series and what it found was an anomaly in the oor crater which is this area where got this luminous area in the ocor crater which is very weird anyway but inside of one of these luminous spots in this crater there appeared to be geometry so they had this like it's a triangle with a square and a circle inside of it B basically like the alchemical symbol which is like super weird and so anyway he found this and then they had independently they had volunteers look at these images to see you know what does what the humans think compared to what the AI thinks right and so the humans also saw geometry now the interesting thing was the push back on that from s mream scientist was that well yeah you know but it's a kind of paradia that's being programmed in because humans have that failing that our AI tools will have that failing given to them by us so there's a kind of a like you know closed door there of accepting things the AI might bring out and one of one of the points he kind of makes as well that Gabrielle makes is that you know the AI may find that we aren't ready for and that we aren't ready to and you know he's gone on to do more work with siries as well what they found like a there a an anomalous kind of heal there which again may not be natural so it's found you found other things but I think it's a really interesting point that you know even if the eye does find things if we're not ready to see those things we have you know easy to jump to kind of explanations for why the AI is is hallucinating right because it's made by us and that we are flawed right so I think that's kind of interesting and even without the see the similar thing with you know the work I've done obviously with the you know my paper on Tech ties and stuff that saying that you know suggesting that we have fragments of a alien AI Craft on Earth you know the counter arguments haven't really come in to dispute that rather there's the inability for scientists to expand their mind to even consider that as a serious hypothesis they prefer to stick with that we don't understand this material but one day we will but it can't be what he's suggesting because again aliens aren't here they haven't come here so again you have these kind of closed doors ready to see something doesn't matter if the AI finds it it doesn't matter if you know humans find it that there's there's always going to be that kind of cter the doori very quickly on separate talking ear about the disinfo I think it was very interesting that when ttsa got going there was a an interview with Tom dong I think it was with okay I'm gonna mute this for a sec trying to Major platform they were first kind of setting up and he was um explaining you know his insiders he'd be able to bring out load of Secrets and stuff but on the condition that he mixed I thought it's kind of funny not really s seeing that you're basically saying up front that yes I'm going to be sort of running a kind of misinformation campaign for these insiders you know what I mean it's it's kind of wild that that that wasn't really pushed back on and challenged a lot more at the beginning because you know that's really the problem that we have in the field hit the like button watch this so often people are given a kind of a mixture of what is lik true facts but just mixed in with just rubbish and then so in the end it s poisons the well so badly because you can't figure you know do I keep some of this do you throw it all away you know because you know some of it's bad and so that that's been part of what's been happening since 2017 and the whole kind of you know I guess Reawakening of the UFO topic think so right right from beginning there that was kind of upfront told to us that we were going to be getting this mixture of a story and some kind of Revelation so yeah you know so that's kind of yeah that's a great Point real quick J I wanted to say something brought up something that reminded me of something that was said today in Jesse and CT's uh episode and that was like uh the idea of hallucinations or we might not be able to see something reminds me of okay I'm to answer the question why am I allowed to talk about this so if you go back to what Amy uh in her stream was saying uh the one stream that we posted the reality is if they're letting you talk about it then they probably want it out so that's the most likely reason the other reason is most likely because what we're doing with this Grassroots movement like this has never been done before so they don't know how to react to this the what they're trying to do is they're trying to send the debunkers out there to make people stop paying attention that's what they're doing about it right now if you expect them to kill me or something how does that solve the problem that just makes it a 10,000 times worse if I were to disappear this thing is going to go mainstream right too many people would know so that's the answer to your question why why are they allowing me the answer is they're not but they're not also stopping me other as well and if you can figure out in some hypothetical future a way to uh manipulate them like right now you can use neurons to do super basic computational tasks like stabilized inverted pendulums or like play Pong and if in the future that progresses um I think you could end up with like these like biological drones and then maybe it is like the Mike Masters thing where you're like weo they're not going to be explain Lines by like sending I think they're letting us wake people up um question Tupa I think like I do think we have an interface through which we sense reality it's a a very limited scope whether that be like the you know 400 to 700 nanometers of the electromagnetic wave spectrum or you know auditory you know the analog to that or whatever the decel range you know there's there's all sorts of stuff fig outside of that don't DM a lot if the Penrose like microtubules thing is is is right I I think maybe what we're doing is we're constantly picking sort of igen States like we're we're we're collapsing like the wave function like like all the time and which is a maybe somewhat heretical thing to now say in quantum physics but like every initial Quantum physicist you know to Schrodinger himself entertain this stuff and then maybe when you're in a heightened State of Consciousness you are in this more literally like probabilistic world where like Zeno's Arrow of time does not apply or something and so like maybe maybe if you if you think about us as having a limited scope in terms of you know sight and hearing maybe we have a limited scope in terms of time too and I have no idea Hof if Hoffman at all talks about that but that would be my my strong Instinct well very interesting something else that happened this week we'll just kind of go through some more of these happenings of the week and I'm curious for and CT's take on this as you guys both do like science separative UFO type content as well there's been this kind of growing Schism I feel like with Gary Nolan publicly calling out Neil degrass Tyson so he did that like last week and he did another one this week that James Fox posted I'll just play it and then I'm curious what you guys think about how we address mainstream science and what people like Mass Tyson's role how do God these these got to go away man um uh keemstar keemstar is I look there it is this way we can put our hand up I don't think he should be respected I don't think he's acting in the best dude do we really have to listen to these clips man can we just talk about everybody either knows or they don't know about the situation of could you take away somebody's PhD anyone listen to him don't ask me there we go hands alien in here Logan he should be stripped of his PhD wow so there you go and everything tribunal I think he said at one point yeah that's the tribunal got me that one bro every time I hear that clip I just burst out laughing because it's so like brutal right like I I I get Gary uh Nolan's point right um you know Neil uh doesn't even come to the stage to have the argument whether or not you know what are we seeing in the sky he doesn't even have the conversation he immediately shuts it down like aliens are thousands of light years away there's no possibility he he won't even have the conversation so I understand the frustration but Gary went way too far way too far yeah right like why is he saying to like strip his PhD doesn't seem like Middle School level drama like it seems like a little too much for me I'm kind of curious to what people like Kurt think about that I unfortunately am going to not comment on this who knows if I'll be hosting a debate between them and so it's just best for me to stay out of this situation well played well played Kurt well played Kurt between them as consenting adults yes right and they should be able to have that debate too on neutral ground um I remember one time I collected a series of clips of science scientists uh kind of mocking the UFO field and it was it was ended up being a compilation of Neil degrass Tyson and Bill n the Science Guy and I will say that after watching it I was like you could kind of rally on that because they were there so dis but I think some of the times they're giving these talks they're almost like doing bits right they're they're performing a little bit on stage and they're they're getting laughter out of the crowd and they're really playing to it and I think that that you know that has to be considered as well um but yeah the idea of him bloviating like that's yeah really Jesse what are your thoughts maybe I'll be a little more controversial and just say like oh yeah here we go I I don't I mean Gary can be a little spicy kind of you know he can be the dramatic but like wish I make this full screen I agree with the sentiment like the guy shouldn't be necessarily stripped of his PhD but like he doesn't do any fundamental science he hasn't contributed to he's literally just a like an establishment spokesperson who does not push the field forward at all and I actually because grush challenged um him to a debate on my show and so I tried to make that happen through like an intermediary no chance and you know what Neil degrass Tyson's response was it was like uh I I cannot debate about I can't have a debate about anything where the data is classified and a that's so lazy because there's tons of Open Source data there's a lot of Open Source data that you can discuss like you're just closed off like you you just don't you're just not open to it like you're a priori just completely skeptical of this thing which is fine you can say that but like to say that there's nothing you can debate I think is absolutely ridiculous and it's also the purpose of science to speculate and to debate the speculative you're you're literally like serving no societal function if you're just going to wait like the average citizen waits for full government disclosure you're like you're just abdicating your position and then the final thing I'll say which is kind of a weird fact but I think Neil degrass Tyson is like a Freemason in some Lodge in like Albany New York and so like somebody who can be like that involved in like that you know kind of kooky and esoteric whatever I'm you know I'm interested in a lot of that stuff it's like I'm not criticizing it but it's like you're into that and then you're like in total denial of like the reality of UFOs I just I just don't understand that that feels like there's there's some cognitive going on so and there's a direct line back to uh you could go what Neil Tyson Bill NY Carl San heik Menzel like there's always been a prominent debunker on your TV and there's literally like a direct line that you could like they all the people like within the line knew each other and Mentor the next one kind of thing um we got deep pad up here he's been on Jesse Michael show I think he's been on Kurt too Ai and Science deep what is your take on the Gary Nolan Tribunal for yeah do you support that before you speak deep firstly like high deep I sorry that I got it I gotta get going Jesse and oh no and and Sam and I I appreciate everyone being here and I I think you all should check out Jesse's Channel and check out Deep's work and check out red panac koala's Channel and alien girl is here I see check out all these people and oh Jesse next time I'll sit on your couch proper you sat on it perfectly that was hilarious man I just kept laughing or reading the comments people are like you're sitting like Spider-Man at the edge of a building you know what you did you did better than Martin scy who was trying to hide his ankle monitor the entire time so I don't know why I was like that I think I needed I did need to use the washroom maybe I don't remember I I thought you crushed it man and I I was an honor to do it and yeah vampire it's the couch dude I was thinking about that actually I was watching today too because I was like I sat on the couch too it has really big cushions but like the back support is like far away you sink into the couch so you got to like lean forward to kind of start being so quiet but and also at the same time you have to think about how you're oriented toward the camera and simultaneously Orient yourself toward the guest and so balancing all three was was it was a great conversation man and next time we'll have an even better one I look for to it thank you oh no worries brother you good much love all right take care good night everyone bye bye awesome good night um yeah red I was just gonna say I haven't yet been on Kurt's show uh but certainly with Jesse and that was man plenty of fun um uh yeah you know regarding uh Neil's tribunal um I think Gary's on to something at a meta level so I love like this idea like humor me this for a second imagine if not just for Neil but for anyone who has a PHD there was a rule where if you stop practicing science for let's say five years right you get stripped of your PhD I feel like that would like keep people in check um if you go back even a hundred years during like the Richard Fineman era you know Fineman got his PhD in three years uh of course part of it was uh you know sort of Fast Track because of the war time times and so on but back then having a PhD was the ultimate sort of academic show of scholarship uh and uh you had to be so dedicated to get one and it meant you know your entire life what this guy doing is he outside somewhere you know by this book right and you absolutely fought uh with the sort of science well there's a lot of haters in second that you know after a while you become more of an Entertainer to Gary's point and let's say we're on the other end of this and these people are the ones who right I feel like there is going to be some kind of like lowkey tribunal people will want from someone right that's why they're doing the whole amnesty stuff uh yeah what about you Ashton what do you think are you gonna go to the tribunal sorry what tribunal you lost me what what how do you think uh the current scientific establishment should be treated oh that there is this kind of cover up in place as we go through disclosure yeah I mean you know and this is funny people are going to hate on me but I uh go back to the person who's become my friend a guy named Jake Chanley I think some of you guys know him as uh the Q Shaman but he surprised me in his interactions with me when I first talked to him which was that I I I said that this is an information war and we have to treat it like that and he came back and said no I don't want to have it be adversarial the way that we should treat it is like the new guard is simply obsoleting the old right and we can't make it an adversarial relationship like that I think it's just a matter of there's going to be a handoff from the old guard of ufology and physics to the people who are younger who look at the same physics the old physics through a new lens they look through the same ufology through a new lens as well I think those will be the ones to bring into the future I even look at people like Jesse who's in the chat right now and the people he's been talking to and just how much Jesse impresses me in general with his knowledge science and I kind of look up to that I'm trying to emulate that a little bit myself in terms of figuring out how the science works that's my opinion uh sounds like it sounds kind of like cancel culture to me I don't like it at all stripping people of their degrees and whatnot I think uh you you simply win by um you know Gary Nolan bringing more and more uh data to the to the public which he has vowed publicly to do and to get to the bottom of this that's how you win uh no one needs to be stripped uh and at the end of the day if Gary Nolan does that then Neil looks uh pretty bad in front of the entire public and uses loses a bit of his credibility credibility is on the line I would say I agree with kear here he's got some pretty good takes the best ideas and the best evidence win 100% right somewhat Keem I would just caveat that with like I doubt his credibility will get hit that much um because um look at if we look at like other you know gurus who have been wrong Robert uh kosaki right Rich Dad Poor Dad has famously called the last 80 recessions right in the last decade but people still look up to him um yeah I like what uh Ashton brought up with what American Shaman said and I agree I've expressed a sentiment of like there's this animosity people have and I get it because they've had experiences right and when people are like ridiculing it makes sense but uh I feel like there should be a sense of compassion for for these people like Neil even who like he's going to take I mean it's to the Skeptics we sound like we're coping right but he's going to take a a pretty big L it seems like coming up here soon um in similar ways that maybe some of this these covid scientists did and whatnot and uh try and have empathy for them and especially all the people who like look up to them and view them as a reliable source of information it's like disclosure has so many different uh mind like where it breaks your mind uh and one of them is just like that information is allowed to like be controlled to AE where believe AR what are the what are the chances that the answer post disclosure world the answer is Stranger Than even the Believers have ever thought especially for someone and like you know what are the chances that like uh we all have a kind of come to Jesus same you mean like kind of a moment where we're like oh uh we were all a little off there you know what I mean because if it's aliens an egg on you know Neil degrass Tyson's face right but if it's more akin to something like which is what he said is if these are aliens from the planet I'm going to be disappointed because I think the truth could be much more interesting and what is more interesting you know the idea that these like entities or things or or forms are are around engaging in interaction with us to to affect our culture that's very strange why what's their motivation how long have they been doing that uh you know what what is a goal like when will they be satisfied with their efforts like all these things kind of come out from it where if it's just aliens visiting for another planet uh kind of we all figured out resources or something uh but yeah I think that's a great question about like what what does this look like in a postdisclosure world what do all these Skeptics do what do all these entertainment scientists do um but yeah again we have to kind of prepare as Believers or people who think there's there's a there there we got to prepare that we don't have all the questions even to have asked to look for the right answers uh but real quick we got Bruce and then Logan and real quick too remind everyone follow Skyfire news for updates on news and all things UFO on every platform Bruce thanks um yeah I was gonna say in terms of the way scientists interact and debate you know because of having followed particularly anthropology and of course Tech science you know following a number of Sciences quite closely and number of debates closely what going to accept as though science moves forward with discoveries you know and interesting questions but but also it moves forward with aggressive internal debate and even attacks between different scientists with opposing positions and that sometimes may look kind vicious but at the same time in destroying their opponent's position you know even if aggressively they are furthering science and you know so we had said the part of this human nature of sometimes the one academic wanting just to prove the other guy's wrong because he doesn't like him you know that if he fails to prove it wrong he strengthens that opponent's position right if he does prove it wrong he shows that we need to move forward in the science right so although that can look kind of nasty and maybe we prefer to see just the friendlier interactions you know I don't think it's a part s we can just sort of say like let's get rid of that I mean because that that can be an important Drive in moving forward kind of animosities between great thinkers and if you look at the history of science that's actually kind of normal so I'm not saying I wouldn't say strip anyone's PhD but the provoking each other to debate you got to do science you know the sparring and jousting the gentan combat you know that kind of side of science is important it's part of us and you know we're not robots just doing kind of logical analysis type stuff all the time right we have emotions and that that those come into the you know the academic community and you see that if you follow in any particular areas of scientific you know kind of Cutting Edge science that that's how things move on and um so I don't I don't think that's a bad position I know as well somewhat show you know playing to the crowd of course what gets people's interest into a topic and again say Neil Tyson is a very public person so obviously provoking him somewhat to uh join in a kind of a you know bit sparring you know I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing you know obviously it's kind of encouraging that to happen and you know we'd all love to see great minds sparring on these topics so it's not just a case of scientists picking on outsid say these scientists are dismissive to the uh UFO Community or the Paranormal Community they're also dismissive to each other that's what I'm getting so they can also say you know what that guy might PhD but I think he's an idiot right that's part of it too yeah yeah I was going to say the conflict is important right I mean we conflict's important and even if you look at stuff like this is somewhat controversial about wars in general a lot of the wars is how we've had such huge amounts of advancement is when you have this like force of uh like kind of requirement to evolve or get better now I think that where you have to draw the line of conflict is that it's not just name calling right where you're actually producing evidence where you're having reason debate um and that's actually just thr a little uh kind of a praise to keemstar honestly I think keemstar a lot of people you know see him as this drama person but he's actually really good at moderating debates with people getting the ideas out there and letting them kind of float on their own with respect to Gary Nolan it feels like and I'll let you jump in keemstar in a sec but um like you said about playing to the crowd it feels like a little bit like that a little bit of pageantry involved in it as well which I think you know sure maybe get some views on you but it doesn't really Advance the discussion very much yeah like uh you know I see this happen every day in this space but just for an example today Matt Ford and uh green Street we like going back with Petty insults back and forth and I love that stuff don't get me wrong but let's get these two guys in a conversation and let's get real let's have these real ideas and real theories and real journalism battle each other to to find truth right like that's what this whole movement's about right finding the truth and it's really hard to get these guys to to come talk to each other you know it's a lot of blocking and it's a lot of like the access game I'm in this space right the the the bonkers the Believers they don't actually speak to each other it's so frustrating that's great I love that like I remember um I had like a uh a disagreement with somebody um I think it was O fell is his name and I invited him into my space and it turns out you know we really didn't disagree at all that's what makes space is so great like everyone should just be able to communicate that way yeah just very quickly if you're not familiar with Thomas Coon's um work on par paradigms and the way they interact it's actually normal that people in opposing paradigms talk past each other not with each other so what looks like them having some kind of debate to to many onlookers isn't really it's one essentially telling the other one he's wrong while screening out what they're saying back to them and the other one doing the same thing and that in the end paradigms rarely change because one of those people bests the other and he admits he's wrong and joins the other side that that's not really really you look at the history of science that's a super rare outcome and that's what if you look at really it's more that you know loses power as people die off and it's the younger people have already accepted the new ideas and those new ideas become more prevalent and the old God kind of basically die off or there's a vested interest for them to change sides you know it's very rare that someone who's held dear beliefs in their field and has built their whole career on a premise uh will then listen to a complete completely different paradigms View and take it seriously and look to see whether they're they're actually wrong um it does happen but you know look at the history of Science and again look at Thomas Coon's work on Paradigm shifts and how they occur and yet talking past each other's normal I don't think you want to get Green Street and uh you know people that essentially are believers you know like pretty hardcore Believers that you know in the in the belief that there's this progress happening this process from the government they're going to release a sorcerer at some point you know if you're sort of in that Camp then Green Street is not going to be able to hear you any more than that person's going to hear him that's just just reality yeah I think we have made a mark in the community yeah this is a great segue about this uh NE grass Tyson stuff there was a Skyfire news exive this week where we asked him about what he has planned with the soul foundation and whatnot right and I feel like this is one of these concrete tangible things we see people trying to do and credit to them right trying to mainstream science ify this subject uh here's what Gary said in the Skyfire news exclusive he this is red for Skyfire news uh congratulations on making the soul Foundation my question is does the soul Foundation have any projects a nerd though I love them for 2024 I am and also what is it like working with grush David grush and Carl Nell and what are your guys's roles within the organization um well let's see I mean I think our goals in the near future um I Peter skafish is running let's say the academic arm of this which is to uh basically instigate a number of papers uh and uh basically policy papers uh that will be coming out and we hope to get them out I want get some more out of good drum beat um and they're you really these are aimed at again like I said before about littering the I didn't watch the Jesse Michaels thing yet so I don't have any good questions let dry chat if anyone watched the Jesse Michaels Kurt jangle thing what questions do we have what they talking about later and they also get you know served Congress is it Ashton on the stream um and so uh that's really the most immediate thing Dave and I are working um on uh basically hope bringing together volunteers and putting together a little volunteer army I got to get contacts because we can't do everything um and so uh we're we're still organizing that we want to organize the organizers uh so that's probably the most immediate future um you know Dave is fantastic to work with I mean there's I I just you just got you just got to know theity of the man I got to get my uh when you get thing um it's just like dle someone like this spend so basically his whole life PL in down there uh doing this uh because it has so much detriment to him if he were the curtain stream was good yeah Kimberly give us some Cliff Notes what should we ask about what were the topics um and Carl as well I mean Carl's just the two of them R spacular possibly my favorite person plan I I actually feel kind of strangely blessed to be associated with people and we're all learning from each other mostly what I'm learning are all these acronyms you know when Carl and Dave get talking about all these programs and policy things that just like just the acronyms fly like I've never seen before but I mean know their stuff love to see the three of them or them and Sean kirpatrick in a room uh and buttons I think it would be somebody would be left in a in a puddle of goo kind of intense there I want to shoot it to deep and Jesse because you guys both were at the soul Foundation conference and there wasn't any uh they still haven't put out those videos yet so they're kind of like there's all this mystery around it so what was it like actually going there before we get into talking about Soul as a bigger thing that's saw Jeremy just retweeted us honestly it felt like a bit of a family reunion uh and you know how you can have sometimes a strange family members Dave can't VP canadi two people here are definitely blocked or have blocked at some point um but uh no dude it was great to like uh see you know the homies uh you know Jac pH was out there um and uh of course Gary and uh it was nice to meet Peter as well um I I really learned I think one of the biggest takeaways was Carl Nell's uh talk right and um oh Ross re speaking this goes back to what Jesse was talking about earlier about how um it's one thing to wait on you know Uncle Sam and the government to sort of get their [ __ ] together two scre literally spoon feed us right um the most technologically and scientifically valuable breakthroughs on the planet that's never happened if we look at current trends and trajectories like what open AI has successfully done with artificial intelligence or spaceace I join space force Technologies and so on so forth It's really as for disclosure charge of um being able to develop science and a frontier you know engineering on top of that still Wally that's what's probably going to have to happen here too where um it's civilians that have to come up with a solution and literally hand it to the government on a silver platter that was my personal takeaway uh but uh I'm just glad I didn't get kicked out before accidentally you know slides so yeah yeah that's worth that was the rumor about you right what what actually happened there let's get the Skyfire news exclusive what happened said I would sell out got kicked out of SC sure I've been waiting for the government to call me what was the truth there yeah so first of all you know I will preempt this I did not get kicked out you maybe I shouldn't say that aloud yeah so I was actually at Star jemy like checking out the Starship uh you know rocket Factory and so on and um I just made a last minute decision to you go to Star I was actually going to go to Soul the whole time for the whole weekend um but you know I missed the day as a result uh took a Redeye flight um came back uh reached soul and I showed up late right by like at least like half an hour or so um and I totally missed the announcement the second day that you weren't allowed to take any pictures um so uh the funny part is like when I went to sit down I blatantly because I had again no [ __ ] idea right that you're not allowed to take pictures took pictures um and no one said anything that's the crazy part like there's random people claiming oh yeah sat behind yeah it wouldn't be selling out I was like [ __ ] like someone would have said something you know if you were actually that like interested trying to get the information out there it's not easy most people aren't going to believe it no matter what and then about an hour later uh Jay King right or Jay Christopher uh he comes up to me and he's like you know kind of like the vibe was kind of like you're in trouble right like you're a kid on the podcast are picking up again lot of requests that type of deal um you know so um like look there's a policy it's the only policy that we had that Soul had right which is not trying to only do like three a week I can avoid it media social media uh so oh you're Dan he said the organizer wants to talk to me uh spoke to organizer he was super chill about it explained the policy um and I started uh you know profusely apologizing um and Gary walks in right and uh right before Gary walked in by the way he had literally said to everyone in the crowd that he had just been told made aware that someone leaked the photos um right of some of these things and that uh stand for security is going to escort that person out so I was like yo mentally I was like dude this is what I took a flight for like I'm about to get kicked out of St for campus you know just like this is so not worth it you know like there's so many other things I could I could have been doing that are this bad uh in ter out but anyways uh was all good dude Gary walked out um I explained I would love to be an advocate for disclosure and I would go about it a different way than everybody else I was like yeah I did not know he like assuming that they allow you to don't worry about it and uh dude yeah he was so sweet about it it was chill consider myself an ambassador try to make a big deal of course and try probably proper the story dude deep got kicked out of Soul Foundation by Gary Nolan was what was going around but yeah drama I mean I guess when I start giving announcements for announcements you guys will know Jess how was it for you and I'm curious what you think of the whole kind of secrecy because it we're meaning about but it is kind thing right no pictures are allowed that's kind of uh another little spooky seems yeah for sure well I I think it was they could be plasma solar awesome to have all these Bob GRE thinks they plasma I think I mean there's definitely a field invalidating of the field and like this really I'm not one for credentialism I'm kind of anti that but it was cool to like Stanford University having like a UFO analism you have all sort of legendary uh figures uh I think it was yeah I don't understand why sort of think I think if you were like a fly on the wall giving your knowledge red like it might have been somewhat you would have been maybe maybe you know proud of how far the field is was gone you know as as I was but it might have been slightly anticlimactic or something as far as actually learning incrementally new glass but the way in which I think it might have been slightly spooky go back to the eye do I don't know some people might have slipped in there that uh were were from various you know uh deep deep organizations uh was was my sense and so that you know that's that's an interesting Dynamic always I think the you know the best parts of conferences like that are like hallway conversations where you can get really you know water cooler conversations or whatever you get really deep with like a specific person and you're not kind of drinking from a fire hose in the like main room and uh I don't know like I got to like know I got lunch with Ross colart and like o he has like a specific Style on on camera and uh so I I honestly didn't know it to make of him kind of from afar and I was like wildly impressed by by his historical knowledge um so yeah I don't know I thought that was pretty cool 99% sure Ross Kart is part of the slow disclosure process you know I think yeah I think 9% sure I guess we can we can discuss this because because because it came out that like the the You Know Carl Nell's sort of timeline and Deep's point is a really important one which is like even from like a defense standpoint like you have this like really unstable multi-polar world if the US government housing any technology where like not that much progress has been made yeah I think I'm 99% sure Ross you can't really have like it St in these like sort of super uh compartmental TV all the Departments influ various private corporations that aren't like the source of the last 20 15 to 20 years of like you know uh Frontier uh uh you know Defense AR D like they're just like new companies you know it's you're not talking about like SpaceX and andil like these new it's it's like these like really old stodgy primes and so yeah I mean I I sort of hinted at it in my uh documentary with grush but I personally think and I haven't gotten like confirmation on this but I I personally think that's part of the push for uh disclosure is like there's your Cloud mov right there progress on this like people have to be aware this is only seconds monological truth here right yeah Jesse you in the interview today you mentioned the uh Four Horsemen of like religion right with Richard da you know I mean and whatnot I'm curious do you person ask about Cloud movement you have the Four Horsemen of like skepticism like what scientists what resech are going to you know what I mean put an end to the debate yeah that's funny that's so interesting well see I think like the four horsemen like you know Dawkins Harris denn and Hitchens those guys were all actually kind of probably interesting healthy correctives in their time to like religious dogmatism and then now I would say like their sort of rationalism is like super insufficient in like in terms of providing meaning for your life but like I I would actually like rank Neil degrass Tyson and I'm not saying this as like an ad homm attack against him maybe sort of is ends up being this de facto but it's like the problem with this is like I'd love to say like get everybody in a room it' be awesome he won't get in the room he's the guy who won't get in the room with any of these people and it's he's snobby and like you need an agreement on the underlying fact pattern like where it's like fighter pilots are saying this in the dozens electrical engineer with no incentive Le sort of stigma for like coming out with this stuff um you know presidents have have admitted that you know know there Truths Behind this and have even seen you know UFOs in various cases and so I think yeah it's it's kind of to Bruce's point where like it's like having a conversation about God it's like you just never convince the person on either side when you when you have that when you have that debate what frustrates me is like I don't view myself as like a UFO believer I I just think there's some there's an anomaly here that's super worthy of investigation and you have to agree on that as a starting point for any conversation and a lot of these people I guess Neil de Tyson being like the the main one I think the others sort of fall into line and it's they're just a little more close-minded but they're not as like may maybe maybe what what red is sort of implying which I'm somewhat partial to is like maybe Neil degrass Tyson actually knows more than he lets on and like is cynically like closing off the thing because he's so reflexively angry when the topic even comes up but you have to agree on that initial like this is worthy of exploration and investigation and I think get you know kind of get your ego out of the way so I I don't I don't know in terms of the other the other horsemen or whatever but no that was man he's he sucks yeah no do you think he's like that because he's been attacked so bad like the alien things like the harder he gets attack the more he resists you know dude he he pushes back too much I think he's doing a bit to be honest I have I have another question for Jesse real quick and I want to get to the hands um in the episode you did with how put off uh and Eric Weinstein there was a a moment and I don't know when this was in real time but in the edit uh hell put off had mentioned like listen like we we we did make breakthroughs in physics and fundamental physics after the after World War II and we tuck those away and like you weren't supposed to look and if you know we have systems in place yeah then there's this brilliant cut to you and Eric in another room discussing that That and Eric says something like um if there were fundamental breakthroughs you know since World War II that would be crazy but in my when I'm watching it I'm thinking like Rolls-Royce something's clicking I've got a lot of like something clicking like might in dark here like did I see something there for real do you know if he's like yeah well okay yeah I think you did you did and so like the context here is like Eric has his own sort of quote unot Theory of Everything and it's really like he's attempting unified field Theory which is the marriage of electromagnetism and gravity which Einstein spent the whole latter half of his career trying to figure out uh mathematically and the actually really interesting part of like that interaction is he says Eric goes you know there is fundamental physics being housed in deep black Aerospace and then how says yes and then Eric shocked and then how qual ifies it and says at least topological physics and my understanding of that exchic physics is actually things were figured out mid-century and I have I mean we talk a while about this because I think they're like specific experiments that might involve the marriage of those two forces but like you don't actually end up with this sort of top of the pyramid Theory of Everything You just end up with something that's Al useful and then that can turn into like all sorts of Novel comms applications novel propulsion applications Electro gravitics that's yeah yes that's what I think and we can we can get we can talk about that for a while but yeah based yeah and we'll get to some hands let's keep it kind of brief and uh on topic and whatnot but uh who is it Melo then Bruce then Ashton uh thanks yes just a quick question it's great to be among such experts and friends um yeah you guys are talking about Soul Foundation interview Panda uh he he mentions Army of volunteers which you know makes me think that perhaps they don't have enough funding not surprisingly so I kind of now that we have like Jesse and deep and all kinds of knowledgeable folks here I was wondering if uh you could help educate me about um you know what are their funding sources and strategies uh generally speaking how do we get the public sector to fund and finance This research technology as well as activism ye yeah I can uh maybe take that uh real quick so you know I can't speak to the actual direct structure um I'm gonna make another drink I've got these questions you guys ask me in the chat written down so I'm going to get back to you guys uh Foundation uh I support their work and an actual tangible prac funnel between Capital right strategic intelligent capital and meaningful steps that can be taken to sort of accelerate and push the ball down the field when it comes to disclosure um and you just need to squeeze a nonprofits in a system uh that works uh yeah Jesse I don't know if you have any other thoughts on that or thoughts of about the funding yeah even separate of knowledge because you do come from like the VC world yeah I I think we need the right we need and this goes back to I mean the conversation we were just touching on where it's like like Electro gravitics like if there is anything there it was figured out by a guy named towns and brown in the 19 [ __ ] 20s and yes I think a lot of this stuff leads to like dangerous applications but most of they most the applications are just civil side good stuff that like makes the world a better place and that's just one example of like a framework that is UAP adjacent it it might not be like coming from the UAP stuff itself synergize with like you know you have you have these crash material or you have these observables in terms of the propulsion and like it probably works with some sort of SpaceTime metric engineering and that's how you get to it or something but like the the the the point is is like if um all of Academia is like being led like sheep to slaughter into like these just dumb Frameworks like like string theory uh which I know we bash all the time but it it really it's just like not usess it's like this massive brain drain sup Stefan I think uh we have we have a huge problem we have a huge problem as a world like in a more kind of idealistic sense and then even if you're like worried about like our national competitiveness it's like that that's a huge problem too like just in sort of like a game theory sense or whatever and my My Hope Is this stuff sort of breaks open you know this decade and and it's like what grush says where it's like the the 0.5% that is weaponize should of course be classified like I don't I I don't want like uh you know uh CL spuk style you know revelation of like of like some tech that could look make a you know a thermonuclear bomb look like a firecracker like that would I'm not down with that but to the extent this stuff can be used civil side and the the we the weaponization of it is more esoteric like people just have to understand the broader Frameworks and and I think that's a precursor okay we got questions for Jesse now you need that first and then I think you need you need Capital that's open to it Dorian is 100% correct chat Dorian well said uh Bruce you have a any thoughts real quick about this Soul Foundation stuff um was I was going to put something else to Jesse but on the soul Foundation I mean yeah I think that we're looking at a a time where we're going to see a number of the independent organizations kind of stepping in getting funding from you know the finance and Tech world and doing the kind of science that institutional kind of academic foundations won't do because again because the Paradigm issue and the the fear around that I mean I don't go into a long Vi about it but just take one example Dr Milton way who's a microb olist in the UK who became involved with pans spermia many years ago he he basically went worked with Wickam singer and I guess L people here will know Wickam singer pretty much the man in pania and right when he when he found out about that work he was like Well there must be people like knocking down Wickam singer's door to work in this exciting field looking alien life that's raining down from the upper atmosphere and that you know maybe in our solar system and of course what he found out was that no everyone was scared to do it nobody wanted to do it that it was considered a career killer and that you would almost certainly get no funding and that there was this this this whole problem you think that's just around something as fairly tame as pans spermia the idea you know that life could have begun out in the cosmos and come here so what's your chances of getting fun more esoteric controvers the idea that maybe aliens are here whatever way you want to go with that or with the UFO field you interdimensional you know a mainstream academic working in a un his chances of getting anything for that is basically zero and I you I've talked to some people that are doing the UFO kind of networking within the academic uhi certain the UK and they say that you know yeah even just talking about what's happening in the US and you know that is enough for most their colleagues to say well you know you got okay um couple quick qu answers I'm gonna answer some questions from the chat um I think that the orbs must have something inside them because we see these gravity engines in front of them I don't think that those orbs can be all plasma to answer some of the questions from earlier um why has this not been disclosed because I think the answer is it breaks too many people's minds I think that's the reality is that a lot of stuff breaks people's minds there's huge socio economic impact why is MH370 not disclosed the answer there is that it's too much on line too many too much money on the line too many people's careers on the line Etc oh who would I James O'Keefe as well um I would James O'Keefe somebody like locked Martin or one of the media people in general that's probably who I would James O'Keefe Heather or following the craft and and they think you know there's a number of types that are part of this UFO story now when you said ear about getting scientists at least say that there's something there there that you know what do you think in terms of how I'll talk about as a community you know should be better than kind of admitted anomalous plasma phenomena in our atmosphere that nobody's really serious investigation of and that has come up before in like the project conine documents which was the UK's UFO research which which was a freedom of information request revealed that the conclusions were basically that some of the UFOs were plasma phenomena and that there was military applications likely from studying this phenomena I mean what do you make yeah I'm tempted to say that I don't even really believe in Dark Matter like it's sort of super stupid scientific heuristic where the universe would fling apart if you have you know just normal cosmological gravity and you don't have dark matter love Jessie empty Place age with on everything what comprises 95% of the universe is a lot of this sort of plasma phenomena and then I also think if you think about plasma itself it's sort of the fourth energy state and it's maybe like a more fundamental um state of reality um that is more kind of probabilistic like if you look at like a plasma ball it's like this fundamentally erratic random event generator or something dark matter is not really a thing it's just a property if you think of like a discret solid object like we would have found dark matter if we knew it's obviously more predictable liquid gas plasma just an explanation and so I I do think if you just look at the observable phenomena deep talks a lot about you know Quantum macroscopic stuff within the context of UAP and then if you think about all this [ __ ] Greer says which I don't know if that's true but like talk about Quantum microscopic stuff you know stuff you know uh as far as like retrievals um you know like all that all of that somewhat comports that like we're just in this like uh you know more more dense State uh and so throw is it's just plasma that's sort of undetected and there's there's something about being able to um no it's not a matter of creating Dark Matter frequencies that actually different a different aperture into that world and I think a lot of that stuff was figured out H fation yeah midcentury along with kind of the atomic programs you do have a lot of consider the possibility of plasma based life as well good question solar yeah yes yes plas not sure why I do I do my own podcast I just haven't done it in a couple weeks um you referenced the idea of the plasma ball being kind of like a probabilistic state almost like the uh what we now refer to as or what science refers to as the electron cloud as opposed to this like model of I didn't use social media this uh uh nucleus they're actually they're in a cloud state they're they're not anywhere but they're all over where they could be um is that kind of the idea that the plasma might represent a probabilistic state where it hasn't been solidified yet right cont social or what have you or it represents something in every place yeah it's it's it's fundamentally erratic and have a woman with me like a secondhand person right like you got to have a guy and a girl that's how you I think get the real num people watching you know is that got be able to reach out the both sexes for scale civilization or whatever is is is that actually just you know manipulable like you that's not a word but you know what I mean I I don't know you know deep might be a better person for talking about this stuff well real quick remind everyone to follow Skyfire news for all the latest updates we'll get Deep's response on that and over to Ashton yeah sure um you know I think Jesse killed it uh it's not improbable maybe we're dealing with like a wak here where you really did recover right some secret branches around the world recovered Advanced Technologies let's say minimum conservatively thousands of years Advanced my fourth generation like life forms um and if that's the case whatever it may be uh then there might have been uh significant breakthroughs um just observation of like wak localized principles Like Jesse was think so they may be my dog that would be good would imply that understanding of a unified field Theory but in fact it's really observation and replication and then maybe right there's some sort of wall that you hit where there's only certain amount of information you can gain in reverse engineering this stuff but yeah those are just like theoretical right speculative comments uh who knows what the truth is um but when it comes to like uh you know plasma and so on um it's a really interesting uh point it certainly is uh one of the phases of matter um and there are other phases of matter however right that are also intriguing so for example you have the entire class of phases of matter which topological insulators and topological conductors and you know how mentioned that that's one of the sort of uh insights in the private Aerospace industry uh that ex right regarding this topic and you know topological materials are really really interesting because it comes down to that very essence of being able to control electrons to create these really beautiful immersion patterns that allow you to you know replicate phases of matter and really interesting uh States really interesting materials that aren't actually you know tied to their specific chemical composition per se or any one crystal structure so yeah really interesting stuff Chad she's been sleeping on my lap hell yeah Ashton hey hey I hope you guys are ready I took some notes here first of all deep totally just stole my wakanda theory I'm just kidding but I love that people use the wakanda theory because I think that it really does describe like a breakaway civilization level technology that might be out there um one quick other thought and then I have some questions uh unified field Theory I personally think that it's probably already been discovered multiple times if we have had craft since the 1920s and the Nazi stuff in general uh in terms of unification of quantum and macro I think it probably had to have been discovered potentially it's classified under saps those special access programs to me that would explain why nobody has it out there um and then a few quick questions for Jesse or I guess whoever else as well but I'm curious Jesse who what you think about halut in general um you know I think there's a lot of disinformation around I'm curious if you find him credible um and then kind of follow questions related to that is you know what does disclosure mean to you and I guess that's an open question to other people as well and what do you think we would have to do to achieve disclosure given whatever however you want to kind of um Define it what do you think the main roadblock would be and then the last part is you know I think we both agree that there's potentially the ability to make weapons of essentially mass destruction with the T type type of technology that would allow for objects to float or to move faster than the speed of light but how do we disclose all of this without disclosing that like that's I think that might be the roadblock right I don't see a way to do that so I'm curious as to what Jesse your thoughts and everybody else's are as well yeah for sure so I guess the first one put off yeah I uh I love Hal and uh he's usually very very open with me and and uh even when I think I'm hitting on like possible third ra she was just choing down you guys heard that right he's you know pretty pretty uh helpful in uh you know exploring various kind of very very heterodox Avenues of science so I'm a big fan of of his I'm curious to hear what you've what you've heard there and then um what was number two and number three I guess yeah I guess weapons Mass yeah weapons mass destruction was three what was two yeah well so first of all I'll say that I personally think the how putut off is legit I didn't want to spoil your opinion by letting you know what I thought ahead of time but I was just curious um but then I guess it's a matter of what do you think disclosure is to you and then what would achieving disclosure look like to you what do you think the made roadblocks would be for for getting disclosure and is I guess is the idea of weapons of mass destruction coming from them one of those roadblocks um yeah go ahead yeah yeah I mean this is all based on a bunch of hypotheticals but I think you know we have the same underlying assumption that like the US is in possession of these sort of craft which I you know that's my base case I think man I mean and actually R and I spoke about this on the show it's like we live in such a visual society and at this point a large majority of the population actually believes in UFOs themselves so it's like in some sense may love is here the the the intended effect of a lot of you know maybe even the some of the false narrative stuff is like it's like taken taken play and like people people actually believe but but I think for for it to be like a big sort of wake call of like you know definitively we are not alone 80% plus people understand that AC Academia accepts it you know how many follow for that to happen we'd need to like see a craft full scale flying or like high reses you know imagery of like a you know an alien being I mean I know I know this stuff you're doing with like uh you know MH370 and the reason I've talked to you about this you know offline is like I won't touch it is because of what we started the conversation off with which just like I you know you seem like a nice guy I don't [ __ ] know you know I'm not I'm just not a VFX person and I just have no I have no idea and I think you end up in this Lial space with a lot of the video stuff and it's the reason I don't even talk about some of the videos like like I I barely touch on like the nits and I get stuff but I I actually don't think I could like debate you know I'm I'm like like the nimit stuff I I'm pretty sure I could debate Mick West on it pretty well given all the you know the other the other uh sensors and and like the you know the the uh the the Visual Evidence like the firsthand eyewitnesses like there's just so much there but like the other stuff it's like I don't know that's that's really tough like you're getting into kind of more esoteric uh territory so I think you're going to need like a t like the bar for disclosure is like way higher than I think people realize and then on the weapons of mass destruction front yeah I uh I mean I I have no idea you know from like broader framework that's like could be super productive on like the Civil the Civil front to you know like 100x the Zar bomb or whatever I have no idea like what work is required there and I and I pray to God that just opening up the initial Frameworks doesn't inevitably lead to the the ladder uh you know knowing human nature and like where it is now I might be concerned about you know reasonably concerned about that and um yeah it's why I I I hope the world is also just waking up I mean we already we live in an apocal apocalyptic time with thermonuclear weapons and could destroy the world many times over with the just the Earth's Arsenal and so uh I yeah I don't I I I don't know to answer we I think we're almost facing multiple apocalypses like Academia you know the idea of what AI is about to do for you know what we used to think was possible versus what is about to be possible um I have a quick question for you Jesse regarding how up real quick on that uh then oh please sorry actually go ahead so because one last thing I say is that my my opinion is that it's kind of a Pandora's Box where like you just kind of get it all or you get nothing right is you know once you've unified Quantum and macro it's like oh well you know I'll take the medical healing and the force fields and maybe teleportation and all this other stuff but like oh I just I don't want the the you know the Doomsday weapons well it's not really that simple right and I think that might be one of the things holding it back and then last little thought as well and then I'll let you just jump into but is that um I personally think that in order to get past that it may be a matter of not proving the technology is even real but it's almost goes to the esoteric aspect like Dr Steven Greer mentioned which is like raising our Collective conscious to a point where we're we feel comfortable that we're not going to destroy ourselves just some thoughts go ahead T well said um and I was actually wanted to go off a point you made earlier right which was this idea of of how put off as a topic and uh I kept coming across how put off in a lot of different research fields that I would look into and his name would come up and one of the more recent ones which is kind of we're here talking about plasma possibly plasma cosmology down um I had a couple interesting lunches with a man named David talbet who started something called the Thunderbolts project and it's a very interesting idea about you know theide of berkin currents and these filaments of plasma and electromagnetics kind of governing uh the formation of everything and how Jesse like you said dark matter is kind of a farce and it's there to uh make up for the missing forces of gravity which if you include electromagnetics into that you're kind of like you solve a lot of stuff well in after that he introduced me to um something called the sapphire project and they were trying to create something called like a star in a jar which was again confirmed by a man named um Eric Dollard electrical engineer very interesting guy but yeah this idea of a star and a jar and I came across the sapphire project and on the board I saw a photo on the board of the sappire project was Hal put off like how full circle is that right and I'm curious have you ever talked to Hal about this idea what this plasma is and has that fed into your idea of what what this kind of thing could be of uh electromagnetics and whatnot that's fascinating uh no I've heard Eric dollard's name come up before and uh a star in a jar is basically you know creating Fusion we were going to look at star of the jar later would obviously be massively transformational we were actually later knows a lot on my list guys I mean I think he uh he's still like super highly you know he's very very very highly cleared I just added it again my list it again you know kind of uh uh formulating his words accordingly and so yeah I I I agree with I guess the assessment I think he has his hands in a lot of different thoughts and uh you know I don't know where he sits on the proverbial you know pyramid but uh I do think now at this point in his life he feels pretty pretty broadly Pro disclosure um and obviously he's working on this kind Quantum sensing company but um yeah he's a he's an interesting I I know if I could download the contents of his brain that would be awesome looking for dramatic Skyfire we covered a story this week about the moon shrinking does anyone have more details on that because we just did like a flash report yeah so uh yeah no there it's a it is shrinking and they they did the study through the geology of the moon right so they're looking at it and they had to actually because it's causing landslides moonquakes and it's also like they had to uh readjust or calibrate their Landing site for their next moon mission um and I think it's unmanned I think it's going to be be a robotic Mission I forget what it's called but they've had to replan it there's something going on now obviously is it shrinking like honey I shrink the kids no I don't I don't think so something's going on with the with the you know the geology of the Moon and it's having an effect and another big story that kind of happened this week that we could listen to this clip for it's kind of a good little topic changer but still within obviously the realm of UFOs let see where's this at we had Trump thinking well first we had Robert Bigalow uh who was a DeSantis backer right he was big Ron DeSantis guy for the room Robert Bigalow is the the person who's probably the single individual who spent the most of their own money researching this stuff he was very active in the 90s kind of when he got activated and he's made all these different organizations nids Moon which got some of that government money and like oap was somehow intertwined but um he was backing to sandis and now he's backing Trump and he's helping him with his legal fees and Trump thaned him at a rally this week very special guy one of the best developers you'll ever see he's big he's rich but he's a high quality man builds some of the most beautiful things you'll ever look at Robert Bigalow Robert please good looking stelf thank you he's Rich he's Rich I'm curious what Jesse and deep think about that and also in terms of um I feel like a lot of the disclosure people uh like melan right and whatnot they're kind of like Democrats and Biden I'm not trying to make this like a politically divided thing but to me it seems like Bigalow has kind of been separate of that group and I feel like this would be another he's not just R in disclosure and whatnot I know T pretty well um yeah I mean uh I think Trump has look i' i' I've none of us in Skyfire are important enough his personality but like TR out kind of death by Thousand Cuts style and uh maybe maybe we'll you know I think uh resort to more drastic measures if his popularity and fame continues I I I I think the establishment will do anything to see him not elected and then on the flip side I think they've almost created a monster where getting political in here he's felt so kind of getting political in here uh kind of uh you know categorize or miscategorized is like this fascist dictator type that I actually think if he does win this time he will turn into a def like he's gonna try to like reorganize the CIA and like you know maybe try to take it out or something and like I some you know maybe maybe the his when he brings up John Trump it's like his Uncle you know from MIT that that you've talked about done great episode on the uh red is like uh you know maybe it's like a dog whistle or something it's like a little a little threat um and we a little in disclosure could we got to get it this stream or this space the Trump Administration and if if you get if if you get like the typical you know uh you know if you get if you get the DNC I think you'll just end up with this like scopy soft disclosure thing that like has already been tried at best yeah that's it goes kind hand in hand here because you know obviously you know who's the enemy of trump the Deep state who's the enemy of disclosure the Deep State like all this stuff kind of goes hand inand and um Trum uh if you're gonna bet on who's gonna be the next president sorry choking right as I'm talking I'm choking on something but um if you're gonna bet on who's gonna be the next president according to the polls it looks like Trump's got it so you know I think uh Bigalow made the The Right Move um to back Trump uh thinking that he's gonna try to clean up the swamp the next time he gets in there and this might be the path to disclosure through Trump do you guys think that really though because I mean he had four years and he didn't do it and I think there was even he said some weird stuff like when he did that interview with his I think his son where he said as well yeah or yeah oh yeah like look into it or there was some interesting stuff there right like he had a lot of opport so I'm just curious what you guys yeah he tried to get he tried to get the JFK files out and Pompeo stopped him and I just I don't know you know I have an insight into his psychology but I think at this point he's just like [ __ ] it and he's pretty close with Tucker and Tucker's like all in on you know uh I don't know what the gradient is between soft disclosure and catastrophic disclosure but I think he's more on the like full full let's disclose as much as we can side and uh I'm vo for whoever get gets this stuff out I think if if if that's the issue you care about I think I think Trump's like the rest of stuff doesn't matter to me bet and then obviously he has he has other issues I I'm I'm net Pro Trump for other reasons but uh you know like like more praic reasons but umic Reas kind of tertiarily in the episode Jesse right you you mentioned that John Trump his Donald Trump's uncle was the one who got the files from Tesla right after Tesla died that that's like that interesting connection I got I got that from red so I can't take any credit for it um so yeah no 100% it's a fascinating I'm a simple man I see and Ashton to speak to your point I think Trump's first four years post like our own government has been trying to like you know Russian collusion like they've been hitting him with everything the entire time he was in office right um and there were a lot of people that betrayed him or what whatever that weren't really that loyal um so I think the next time he gets in there like what Jesse said and what many people are saying what Trump himself is saying is he's gonna clean house last four years he's G come back so he's got nothing to lose didn't he help with the MH370 uh didn't he accidentally like uh there was a satellite system or something he accidentally showed off oh the one satellite picture he did show that satellite picture honestly I mean I'll just be real to because I'm going to vote forever I think it's going to give us disclosure as the best ch chance I'm one issue voter at this point but I'm just curious to hear you guys' opinions on it all I think it's all very enlightening I vote for whoever is GNA help the economy and keep us out of War that's the only two things I care about deep what were what were your thoughts you started sorry oh yeah uh thanks red I was just gonna say that I um I I guess I'm the contrarian in the room um I think that disclosure the idea of a precedent Le disclosure is a misnomer um it's the same idea of a president leading the next breakthroughs in transform architectures and AI right like it requires so much uh knowledge inside trust inside trust and so so forth um yeah I think it has to be some we have to go back to the 50s right like we have to pull off essentially uh what general uh Bernard scriver did um who's kind of technically the father of the space force more Trump supporters in here than I would have thought um we have create a really powerful I think collaboration between uh in the middle not giv the industrial IND Academia and the government um and I think that's the only way so a pres probably Trump in a role like that but I I think deep like to just push back a little bit yeah I agree that the the actual like Frontier science progress is from the president but like in admission of uh an entire counternarrative of the last 70 years possession of exotic material you know white collar crime that's happened like all of that coming from the symbolic leader of the Free World Is A massively power powerful thing and it opens up the for conventionally high IQ and smart scientists to be open to this stuff in the first place so I do think we some B up here it's not zero good point yeah no I I completely agree it would um be massive would they convert millions of uh engineers and scientists overnight who could actually move the ball forward I imagine yeah one that's kind of I'll go for a dash so one last thing I want to say is that but there's a lot of influential people up here on the speaker panel you know I'm not going to call you guys out by name but you know who you are and I would say that we definitely need to be pressing uh you know in the interviews that we have have you know even bringing these topics up to force the candidates to address these issues right because I think that these are things that are really important and try to figure out who are the ones who are going to you know give us that disclosure that's out there and the more we talk about it as people who are doing podcasts Etc the more pressure it puts on them that's all thanks yeah go ahead Ren we should get yeah well that's kind of it for the news I had a question for D it's kind of a sidebar it's um it kind of ties in the mummies but uh I don't know if you want to rec you talked about your publicly you feel like what you saw was similar to The Mummies trag GH that's hilarious but thirsty no that it's a good question TR ghost is thirsty for attention I would say there was practically no overlap outside of the fact that some form of hieroglyphic language was involved Commander cor comment welcome to the chat as well no um yeah I would but probably uh and I can always go deeper uh later you know an offline call keemstar like when there's more time I don't want to take up the oxygen in the room uh with this experience but I think red panda is like referring to a really sort of strange uh anomalous experience I had uh way back February 1st 2019 and um yeah I think uh you know was one of what one would call Canon event if you guys are familiar with that right something that really changes uh the trajectory yeah I don't want to get into it too much at the moment let's keep it let's keep again I one of those like uh you know like experiencers who go on and on about their stories but well it is interesting though and there is a similarity to keem's experience because I went back and watched interesting yeah yeah well there's I'll dumb mine I I I tell my story relatively fast first it feel more comfortable but sure um I was a child I was on my way to school I was about 10 years old um I was looking out the window of the school bus there was a field and then there was a patch of trees and then another field and right before when I was in the first field right before I got to the trees I could feel myself like kind of like focusing or meditating or whatever you want to call it by the time I got to the tree something was speaking to me saying you're going to see you know a UFO you're going to see this thing in the sky and don't freak out and don't tell anyone right and it's gonna be you're lucky that you get to see this right by the time I get to the open field and it's you know a clear sunny day not even a cloud in the sky it's a silver dot right in the sky I'm looking directly at it the sun's reflecting off of it didn't move or anything and it was like a really calming like I'm lucky and blessed that I get this experience and I didn't tell anybody on the bus and it wasn't until I'm like 5 minutes from school that I start freaking out but at that point I can't tell their kids look out the window like that was like 15 minutes ago you know um so yeah that's my experience that is amazing wow well first of all thank you for sharing that and I see your point red there's definitely some overlap uh there damn no doubt um yeah you know in my case I was a bit older than you I was um uh 2019 I was uh 23 years old um and uh you know it was uh in my room in Toronto so if you want to imagine the setting this is on the 30th floor of a condo uh right by the harbor so and on top of that you know the crazy part is this happened in the daytime my blinds are open there's sunlight streaming down the room into the room and so on so forth and I had spent the you know first part of my morning just like reading papers and sending emails and I uh remember putting my laptop down and I had the exact same feeling you had uh which is what I think part of what read uh what inspired his comment um because I had a distinct sort of what I now call a download right but I had this distinct knowing of um what's about to happen but it wasn't it was yes yes it's hard to explain right like there's no words it's just mental like data exactly yeah I think that's the best way to put it and I bet uh first people who have like a neural link to neuralink communication will probably experience something similar to that where you're like right experiencing thought or thought transfer um so so you know I felt this experience kind before I could even properly process it and react to it I was uh completely paralyzed and uh you know in my case um within short order I ended up seeing about three different humanoids materialized right there was one and then two more that came right next to it um in these sort of humanoid uh objects things whatever life forms apparitions whatever you want to call them um they were kind of like the classic phenotype of Grays however the crazy part is that in you know this case um two things these white Su that literally looks like she's super nice to me I join a space like beautiful golden symbols in the center that kept changing um and uh one of the odd things about experience right is that um they somehow communicated with this like notion of like VR or ar combined with like telepathy plus hieroglyphs is best way I can say it so like imagine seeing these massive subtitles floating above these things heads and uh they're in like these sort of blood red dark red uh hieroglyphs combined with like Japanese like it was this weird strange writing um it uh totally changed my life though uh in in many many ways um but uh yeah you know the whole experience it doesn't make sense um the crazy part right is that when people draw these things it doesn't do the actual experience these weird anomalous experiences that D level 30 in power world I'm like level 22 or something wait 26 I saw it it I don't see anything close to it you don't see whether it's communion or some other book right um there's no art that truly captures the essence um so yeah just a random comment yeah you know what else you guys have in commment not to derail too much you guys have that weird like pre experience thing and you guys both also had a certain group trying and say you guys faked your experience it's pretty interesting uh correlations the the people that came in and said that I'm like bro I've been a YouTuber for 15 years like I've said that on podcasts like you know exclusive deals on Spotify like I've shared my story a lot throughout the years I'm not making it up dude yeah and in my case it's like bro I literally put my entire [ __ ] future and current scientific reputation on the line like morally spiritually you know like there's zero incentive in fact there's negative incentive uh but yeah it's just uh I've actually learned to ignore like the trolls in fact I'm grateful for you for Twitter for like thickening my skin it's actually kind of hilarious because when you go to other communities the amount of like trolling is far less so you're like bro this is chill bro when I came over here I was in shock I was like what is going on like there's squatting and doxing and like there's disinformation and like even the grownups like most of these people are grown-ups and they're acting like kids on Call of Duty what is happen I'm like I love this like that made me like it even more because obviously you know I'm pretty toxic myself but that that's hilarious yeah it is like a duty not like this guy fuing hilarious who who's the group who tried to tell you guys that you faked your experience uh we refer to them as the UFO hate group they're like uh they all have one thing in common they like wor up Lou Alando they're like big Lou fans like one of these guys which is like one of the leaders I'm not even joking like makes AR art with like Lou with like paintings like it looks like it was painted by Michelangelo and it's Lou naked and he's like I love you Daddy like it's some weird stuff bro oh my God thank you for the visual it is bizarre okay let's get over to hands dude I can't thank you guys enough for being here too we got be then Arthur then we're gonna get up to Maize thanks for being here Mae uh ma host some pretty cool spaces so if you don't follow her you guys should go ahead B good evening guys thank you so much space it's just it's amazing uh refining the power of these spes that we can have for the community as and I want to thank every single one of you for what you you're putting into this it's it's legendary um I do want to kind of bring it back a little bit to the beginning of the conversation when we were speaking about the news this week U between the interview of Project Unity with repres with bersett and I think it would be Folly on us as the community to try to narrow down who he's speaking to to just one person anyway because I have to bring it back to Pula um and a quote from her is what kind of world is it that I live in when it's orchestrated by people that I never even knew existed hard and if I I will be labeled a conspiracy theorist end quot she doesn't want recently stated on somewhere Skies when she came out and the talk that if you have a platform if you are a content creator or if you start making a voice in any way you will be approached by disinformation agents and also the the epistemological shock that she had from the phenomena wasn't realizing that piing up but realizing the depth and gravity management aspect the phenomena stating that there has been agreements made between church and state and that this goes back forever right on this perception management of the phenomena um so I just I wanted to bring some some highlights to that that we should never think that it's it's only going to be one person and I would like to to ask uh Jesse you if you've had any experience with what she could be talking about because I I find you amazing content creator oh thank you I appreciate that um I have had one experience actually with her oh that I can't talk about with just purely out of respect for her um but get spicy yeah I don't know I don't know how much more I can say but um yeah they're [ __ ] weird people in this uh in this world that uh they I mean there's the there's the group love you guys are referring to um red and Keem and stuff but uh I think there's there's other there's other stuff too and I think she I feel bad for her because she's an amazing person and I think she hit some hit some third rails and uh experienced some bizarre bizarre blowback and people inserting themselves into her life and stuff she talked about it on Rogan and uh I have one kind of corroborating EXP experience that uh again I I'll say [ __ ] anything but just out of respect for her I wouldn't want to volunteer it so you haven't been approached by anybody ever and asked Jesse what's that I think the world wants to know have you ever have anyone from the government tried to talk to you and convince you or said that they'll pay you some money if you uh come out with a certain opinion there are people who've approached me and I I've gotten lunch with or emailed me and I I think I have a decent BS detector where I'm like you're just trying to sell me on some some like fake idea or whatever uh and at this point I feel like I have enough good people around me even people who were forly on the inside like grush where like uh I I can kind of triangulate the truth before like and like my stuff is so like you know like I I Tred to make it like as deep as possible and like just strike strike once but strike really hard in terms of like putting out the stuff and not doing like this like high Cadence output thing I mean a lot of the issue is like the microeconomics of like UFO journalism where like it's like I need a I need a story I need a story or whatever and like I'm really lucky in that like I kind of transitioned from like another day job where like I I don't really have to like engage in that rat race and so I I do my best I'm sure I've [ __ ] spouted some [ __ ] without knowing it but like I really do my best to like go really deep on I I I just don't take I I I treat everything with like a priori skepticism and I really really don't try to not take anything at face value because you can't it's like in I think there's a line in visible College um by jacqu ble where he's like trust absolutely no one and he tells I think Diana Pula that too and I think makes it its way into American Cosmic and I think that has to be your unfortunately your uh your your uh kind of mental model here thank you thank you so much Jesse hey um just I just wanted to end that by saying thank you and I would love to see you and Keem and all of you guys on the UFO intro One Day by the way just saying thank you right wait I'm down great yeah for sure and good questions I'm curious you know it raises more questions of when will this end you know when will has become less of a Minefield just straight research I think that's one of the the things that we one of the reasons why we absolutely need disclosure it's not just that we don't have the right answers is that there's this we probably only have so many viewers because the bunkers aren't here this is not de bunker right now let's get over to Arthur and then we'll get up to Maize go ahead Arthur yeah thank you I just wanted to bring this back to the whole Bigalow in Trump uh topic I that was interesting Trump put out this um 10 point plan to dismantle the the Deep State there's a couple interesting Parts on it one was establishment of a truth and Rec Reconciliation Commission to um like expose Corruption of the deep St State another one was uh make every Inspector General independent of the the office that they oversee so I think those those two points could have direct implications for the UFO cover up and and this whole non-adversarial approach that we've been seeing from like ttsa and that whole group where they they're kind of trying to work within the system I don't know if that's going to work I I I have very low hopes of this soft disclosure let's let's be nice to these people that have been lying and manipulating and breaking the law for 70 years I think we really have to catastrophic disclosure fight back and fight hard so that that's just my my point that I wanted to make catastrophic disclosure yep uh I'm not going to fight back and I'm not trying to make a joke but it bombed I'm with you Arthur all right let's get over to maze we'll get up the Keem uh we got melow and Bruce back in here too so I'm glad you guys are here go ahead ma hi guys um love the topic I love you know anything uh UFO and I see all my buddies in here so just shout out to you guys um so I you know Trump has all kinds of mystery just wrapped up in him right we have somebody already hit on his great uncle we got some amazing working with Tesla one of the things that was really interesting about that is if up here in the speaker let's just say some potential I don't know time travel technology um that would have enabled like the the whole writing do you guys know about the 1890 trilogy there was like three books that were written about him 1819 Trilogy um like literally named Baron Trump well his son's name is Baron but the books were about Trump oh so you've heard of those okay so then on top of that you have um you guys brought up the Bigalow thing and then you have the Q drops which is really weird it's like some sort of mystery there and then Simpsons um they actually made a prediction about the 2024 um elections do you guys know that so they basically say that he's going to win that and then um his daughter is going to be running in 2028 so I thought those are some fun facts to um let you guys know about and then also another political thing real quick and I have a question um when Hillary Clinton went against him she ended up having like this huge research group that went out and did all these polls and tried to kind of find out what it would take for the Trump supporters to not come out and vote and there was all kinds of things on this list okay and they were going to come out a majority of them um and all they're called the L then comes the question uh you UFO alien invasion and 38% said that they would not go out to to vote but the rest of them did I thought that was funny and then that also I don't know we've been kind of talking about what that might look like with Project Blue beam so I guess my question is all these disclosures I've been on this roller coaster I'm curious to know what you guys do you have an expectation for what it looks like it just feels like she that's the same question I asked has come has just kind of fallen so short but what would make it real to you like what would you believe and how would it how would it be a real disclos ask the same question I asked chat we're meant to be together great question no absolutely I think what disclosure looks like is always going to be you know what I mean in our imagination and now and we get little steps and incrementally we get closer to to it looks like at the same time we're getting further from you know these main Concepts I I did not expect to have uh the conversation you know UFOs Al but but it's these worlds are are mixing sometimes and so I think you know Terence McKenna said it best when he was talking about the escaton or the uh the end of all things when he said like that's disclosure back in the day it was easy to imagine what the next 50 100 years would be um the changes were so incremental were so spread apart but now disclosure you know even then this was like in the '90s I think he said this uh changes are happening so imagine what it's going to be in 50 let alone 100 I mean there's no way like it especially with it with what we're seeing with AI now too so that's a great question what does disclosure look like um I'm I'm curious to hear your guys's thoughts on that we got uh Bruce then Melo and then uh oh we actually keem's next sorry about that go ahead Keem uh I have something else that I want to bring up but um I don't think uh I I think it's like impossible to answer that you know the only way I think we get real disclosure is from the aliens not humans I don't trust any humans like what like it it okay let's imagine right uh the president of the United States you know leaders of all CIA the FBI everyone right the whole cabinet's there and they say okay look aliens are real this is the species Ste instantly people are going to be like what are they hiding what else is going on what are they doing like no one's going to believe like I exactly Keem is stealing my thing for the record that's my analogy just kidding I just want to s real quick for you Maz just because I appreciate you every time I go to your spaces you always call me out so I just want everybody's in the Stream should uh follow ma she does a lot of Hosting she's awesome person so thank you uh can I can I bring up this thing real quick um we had uh you know David Crush came out he said like you know uh the US government has you know um uh UFOs uh you know he alluded to the fact that we have you know aliens and all that in our possession um and it made major news but John leer like said this alline years ago so we Adit the S can you guys go back and watch the John le interview and then watch everything he's saying and it's like these things link up but they're like 37 years apart yep I told Bruce that you remember Bruce I brought that up that they were they were so similar yep now maze was been like super nice to us like I would join SP we probably get through the rest of the hands and then I think what we'll do is we'll have Tupa do a space after even before know we do we used to do a lot of spes we've been so busy lately and we can't bring everyone up you know what I mean um we're trying to keep little more streamin sounds dope uh Jesse did you have a response to that I I did I I I I don't want to defend my buddy too much but it's like I do think there's a stepwise difference between like bringing 40 people directly to the intelligence Community Inspector General who who like worked on the stuff 300 people and John le who was had the widest filter of all I was just saying all sorts of you know there's like a soul Square on the moon that like you know harvested souls and was talking about 36 different races and um yeah I mean I I have a whole theory on Lear and his bizarre alterior that's all that's all I want to interject we get a quick summary of that theory because like this is something I've been looking at recently and you know I'm not an expert by any means but I would like to know your theory on that yeah and I've talked to Red about this but it's like so uh at the same time as like the Lazar store stuff was coming out uh Paul benowitz had seen was around the same time like mid 80 mid to late 80s saw like bizarre craft activity going on at Kirtland Air Force Base and Linda Molton how was taken to Kurt Kirtland Air Force Base and was shown a lot of the same weird like origins of humanity you know humans are containers of souls like bizarre kind of disinfo that I think Lazar was shown it's this weird thing with the whole Lazar story is right like do we think Lazar am prop guy do we think Lazar this super compartment but then he also shown alls of crazy [ __ ] about like the origin of humanity and those two things are like completely contradictory right like you have this like really stove piped program but then you're also showing this guy like vot the secrets of everything like matters pyramid so to speak really like make sense I think there are a lot of like Aviation a lot of people are ask a lot questions about those Aviation breakthroughs at specific bases so I think a guy like John Lear who held all sorts of Aviation records whose father invented the Lear Jet and you know was involved in I think some interesting breakthroughs was kind of playing uh flood the zone defense and uh spreading some disinfo through people like Lazar and through Linda Molton how and I think Dodie was involved in all this stuff as well this vote matters CH make sure you get your votes in yeah that's that's kind of the theory and red and I have talked about this as well but like if you think about it like just take miss it like if you if you just take like the instead like the the really like high like 3,000 level foot View and like it's like okay look at the forest and not the trees like just think about like this if you had like a super secret UFO program and you were like hiring a guy like Lazar and it's like you have a guy his best friend is do has like an active UFO news letter at the time that I'm text Jessie after this do not find that out in a in a background check and then simult anous to that Lear leaked the lozar story put the files on George nap's desk and he nap even admits and has admitted in later interviews that Lear was flying you know cargo jets for the CIA into the late 80s and so like you have these two things it's like if you have amazing super secret program like are they not doing background checks on the people they're hiring like [ __ ] obviously they are and then the second thing is like um you you have a guy you're actively the CIA is actively Contracting with a guy that's spilling all your core Secrets like that just doesn't make any sense so I think Lear to me is like clear disinfo agent witting or unwitting that's where I'd be open like I don't know you know he might have been like useful idiot I'm not quite sure there but like that's my theory on Le very interesting and real quick your friend Eric Weinstein is in the room to come up maybe Jesse could help prod him we'd love to hear your's getting ER about um kind of some of the science going into this UFO topic and kind of how Erin come if not no worries stay listening but um we'll get to some hands I don't know who was next to but I think Melo was next Melo sorry it might have been Bruce first actually oh okay thanks buddy though appreciate that ask I was I get mellow in there if you want me to go yeah I mean on the disclosure topic um a twoo kind of response uh in terms of the military disclos or the government disclosing yeah we got 350 people in here no matter what they know we can't know what they know right we don't have the access to then assess D Friday night they to reveal something we couldn't assess if that's all they knew right so you can never get to a point where you're certain that the you know the the inside world has revealed itself to you you so whether they give you nothing whe they give you a lot you basically can't assess that and say that's a full disclosure they've given us everything they've got we can't know that so we have a huge problem baked in to the way that system works okay also I don't really believe that we can do a lot to pressure them I know that people say you know call your Senators you know that's fine do what you want I don't see you're going to be able to put significant pressure and I think as people touched on ear the JFK papers we still haven't managed to get that there was more popularity around getting those out and more support in the inside getting those out than on the UFO topic and we still haven't got all of that so I'm not very focused on government disclosure I mean great if it happens it's great if uh you know gush and other whistleblowers bring out stuff great totally support that but for me and then speaking as again taking a different hat and as the kind of the director of you know the alien technices research group you know the first funded UK nonprofit doing research into uh alien techic signatures and seti uh that you know the focus that we have is on objective scientifically supported evidence of an interaction with a non-human intelligence in the past that can be publicly looked at the evidence can be publicly looked at by anyone um and it takes the stance in fact that Tom Delong gave which is he stated up front that everything had to be rediscovered in public that we were not he also said we're not really going to get all this stuff come out it has to be discovered in public and that's the position I take and that's what we're doing is that we have we can support it right s and we did have Eric sorry to the hands we did have Eric hop up here great points Bruce uh I want to remind everyone follow Skyfire news for all your latest updates in UFO news Eric how's it going how you feeling about UFO disclosure these days can you talk about interdimensional beings and uh the the term at least grush how's it going uh it's going well I'm in a car so I can't um get my mic on and off I'm really here is since it's a Jesse room as Jesse's hype man uh since he's the uh the guy who got I blame Jesse for quite a lot and my interest in UFOs uh Chief among my complaints the the the issue about the science and the history and how come we're only coming to this now and 30 no I think people don't understand that um even if the data existed don't you think the JFK disclosure probably Kimberly I think was related yeah uh fake data personally um you can't expect scientists to sort through issues in which you have an active player trying to make the data fake right so effectively the whole thing becomes an exercise and spotting faker and I don't think any of us are good enough given the amount of nonsense around this topic to feel that we have the right as scientists to say oh yes these 17 incidents are real um because there is no incontrovertible evidence uh to to my way of thinking um we if for no other reason then hey chat make sure you like this manufactures High strange for some reason around this topic and if you just think about how much we're talking about disinfo and scops and controlled opposition and useful idiots this was previously 20 years ago the language of a tiny number of people uh some conspiracy theorists who gained access to this lexicon and people who did this for a living inside of the intelligence community and Military Contracting and defense and so as a result of this everything that the CIA does or that the military does in a clandestine way sounds spooky and weird so what you're trying to do is you're trying to disaggregate the high strangeness of black projects saps Skiffs uh things that are way bigoted Etc from any residual Str actual phenomenon and um you can't ask scientists to do that the other thing I was to say just briefly is that if you imagine that that aliens uh and non-human technology and advanced civilizations that we know nothing about are on the table then you have to realize that there is no precedent for that and so all of your intuition prompts would be broken if the thing that you were considering were to be true so I've talked about this in terms of the doubly scientific method where normally we study things that are either non-sentient or less intelligent than we are we have absolutely no scientific protocol so far as I'm aware for studying things that are more intelligent that we are that may not wish to be known to us and as a result you need uh a doubly scientific method which has never been set out something that looks both down the intelligence Spectrum like is if you're looking at a duck from a Duck Blind and looks up the intelligence Spectrum um as if something is looking at you from a Duck Blind viewing you as the duck and as a result uh the public in particularly the UFO Community gets very pissy about uh scientists not accepting what everyone in the community knows to be true and and the reason is that it's very easy to get rid of scientists you just flood your data with nonsense and [ __ ] and make it impossible to clean and then everybody who's dependent upon doing good science for a paycheck is going to run in the opposite direction thank you for that uh Jesse Keem any thoughts on that it made perfect sense to me yeah Eric what do you I know we've talked about this a bit but like do I have to call him doctor I think increasingly like the de the deeper you get into the UFO stuff you have this weird interweaving between possible physics breakthroughs and then like stuff that's dropped out of the sky like whole pieces of EXO things the use of which we don't know and then you know possibly those two things there's like a Confluence of them where they like come together or one is a cover for the other I guess how how how do you sort of think of those two things kind of probabilistically uh you know the problem just it's like you and me talking as usual except with 500 of our friends um Don't Call Him mystery you know I think that the way I would look at it is you have to blow out the variances in what you believe to such an extent that you're not really saying much at all so in other words I'll give a very good example um people told me fantastic tales about a secret army with black helicopters no transponders no Insignia men with speaking uh North American accented English uh threatening them destroying equipment confiscating equipment uh it sounded like dest um you know Jason Bourne movie you'd ever heard uh but one maybe more of a James Bond where there was like a state within a state that doesn't exist and I didn't know what to make of it because there was no way of fudging it then we find out that the CIA has something called the office of global access and that it's tasked with you know using jck to go after um um oh I don't know satellites planes ours theirs nukes whatever that might be loose and you think oh I get it it's not even about UFOs it's about recovery and one of the things that it may recover might be UFOs if there are any UFOs to recover what should we ask so suddenly you take something completely the stuff of Science Fiction and you realize that it's on the org chart of the CIA that anybody can see but nobody knows what the office of global access is because it's like saying you know the office of speci situations or the uh the office of non-standard capabilities it doesn't mean anything and it's hiding in plain sight I would say that the problem is if you ask me to disaggregate this stuff I I was assigning previous probabilities based on the idea that either somebody I knew who's not crazy about anything else a mathematician invented a ghost story uh maybe I was being pranked who knows or that you know there was a secret army inside of uh the country that went undetected by the fa good question nothing so interesting was going on it was just the CIA doing CIA things so as a result of that until we get better guesses um the scientific Community will look like monkeys uh because we're being gasolin and I think that it's just important to recognize that constantly asking people well what do you think is basically saying oh please will you destroy your entire credibility this afternoon uh in order to they're they're so much worried about what people think of them information and we've got to stop torching our scientists I'll just say this to the community if you want better people in the space if you want scientists to take it seriously stop threatening their ability to put their children through college by asking them these these questions well that's a great segue into a topic that's been kind of hot in this community and I want to remind everyone to follow Skyfire news for those latest updates but uman has kind of uh come out semi heart against Neil degrass Tyson and some of these other public scientific debunkers and I do know you debated mcwest Eric and what are what are your thoughts on this kind of schism between this kind of like group of Academia and scientists that are willing to look at this subject and those that are kind of flat out uh debunking it well I really do want to be the hype man so I'm going to give that to Jesse first and then I'll uh I'll Grunt and say some stuff afterwards I I would so to walk my earlier criticism of Neil deg Tyson back I rather to to criticize him but not to say that there's no place for skepticism I would wholly separate somebody like a mick West from a Neil degrass Tyson and actually give a rare compliment to Mick West and that at least he speaks on the layer of first principles considers these videos like may come in with some you know a priori biases and like you know issues in terms of priors or whatever but like analyzes the videos and then he shakes out that they're sort of debunked or whatever and it's you know in the case of uh you know nits it's just like a it's a it's like a small plane or whatever and then in the in in the case of the gimbal it's like you know rotational effect you know whatever like that's fine like that's like you're doing like real analysis I think the issue that I have is with people like Neil degrass Tyson which you know I won't belabor the point because we already spoke about this but it's like you won't even acknowledge that there's something worthy of Investigation here and to Eric's Point there's you know there are real reputational risks in admitting that um what do you think about Gary's point of removing his PhD uh do you think people should get their phds removed who are kind of uh putting out bad info or maybe I don't know preventing this top from getting forward Gary did say remove his PhD I mean I think that's a little hyperbolic but i' let I'll let Eric speak speak to this I I love Gary that's an outrageous suggestion uh I have a lot of problems with Neil but I also love him when he's doing standard science um the problem is this is sort of the uh the Shermer Sam Harris Neil degrass Tyson mck West I'm make another drink while we listen chat I got my headphones on I can hear about the fact that people like tell ghost stories and create interest value in their lives when nothing much is going on I know that we all look for meaning and that one way we look for meaning is making stuff up uh I saw a really powerful UFO uh waiting for a Thai restaurant uh in Malibu and we all saw it and then I went across the road and it was a milear balloon at night glistening we thought it was some sort of weird light thing going on gone offshore and since everyone in line saw it uh I definitely know that if no one had gone across the road we could all have told that story so you imagine that any honest UFO person has to recognize that a tremendous amount of this stuff is myar balloons uh somebody seeing uh Aerospace stuff being tested that they weren't supposed to see Etc and the problem that you're having is that the energy comes from like the amazing Randy where you're going to say I know that a prior I don't need to worry about um fnko artists and there's a lot to suggest that this is all likely to be bunk now that bunk may be CIA it may be multi-billion dollar bunk uh I Operation Fortitude uh with and putting um false radio chatter out so that the Germans were were thinking that we were going to invade Norway rather than the beaches of Normandy um what's distasteful to me about this is It's perfectly fine to say I bet this is all nonsense but there is this kind of identity that goes around um just claiming oh we don't need to worry about that people are always seeing apparitions lock nest monsters and Sasquatch and by the way that was somewhat of my energy but even and Jesse can keep me honest Jesse feel free to say whatever is true uh even when I was shutting Jesse down constantly saying shut up about the UFO stuff I don't want to hear it anymore I wasn't saying I know this to be bunk I was saying I assume that this is not true but I didn't have this energy of like confidence and certainty and the smug condescension uh I've given the analogy we we were prettyy sure up until the mid 1950s or late 1950s that electromagnetism worked through the electric and magnetic fields and it it doesn't it works through something called the electromagnetic four potential it was like a giant error in the heart of a very wellestablished subject um the fact that Neil is not exhibiting what I would call epistemic humility in the face of something that's obviously weird as hell uh has to do with Prof professional incentives and the political economy of um of institutional membership and you'll notice that Neil's having a lot of trouble at the moment remembering that sex is determined by gam size and motility uh because the institutional world is going crazy it's dragging a lot of our um favorite commentators along with it and I think you have to look at it as an Institutional effect that if your bread is buttered by the Hayden planetarium uh you're probably under a lot of pressure it would be great if he would resign his post and say I don't I don't want to um come under that pressure and then they'd be forced to rehire him but just consider that uh you just had the president of Harvard resign as an obviously incapable person to hold that office um institutions have gone quite mad and I do not want mad institutions getting the idea that they can remove phds I guarantee that they'll come for mine and they can pry it for my cold dead fingers if they want to try that so uh I think I think Gary was speaking hyperbolically I love Gary uh that was not his favorite moment I understand his my favorite moment of his I understand his frustration Eric how do we get how do we get institutions that are mad in a good way or accept good Madness you've talked about Jim Watson I think about Claude Shannon riding a unicycle and juggling and I think there's even a letter well that's MIT everybody MIT gets around C that way well but but seriously how do we um I don't know there's a there's a part of me that and we've had this discussion a lot but like I I think in some ways Academia is just too far gone and like there it's they're just they have the prestige and but that's like the only thing they have left and then there's sort of very little Vitality left they're stuck in these really wrong Frameworks and they're so far down these culde saacs and um they don't generally don't have kind of you know a topof the pyramid interdisciplinary View and uh yeah I mean I I I I don't want to throw them out entirely but like is there is there any going back or do you need an entirely new structure wholesale it's a beautiful question uh I just asked chat GPT to describe the exemptions from the 1964 Civil Rights Act um my guess is is that a lot of What's attenuating um our institutional Vitality is the unintended consequences of trying to get rid of American bigotry uh and backwardness with federal law that ham-fistedly um created this sort of democratic environment uh where Merit is quite honestly anything but a democratic environment it's completely unfair uh and if you really believe in a meritocracy uh the the thick right tale that juicy curtosis in human ability um is going to be fought tooth and nail by every mediocre person who can get access to an administrator position in the University one of the things that you can do is you can create a religious institution so it would be great to see the Catholic Church the Jews the Muslims the Hindus create religious um universities to study stuff that was too hot to handle for everybody else and discriminate uh so that we don't get attenuated another version of this is if you have a company with fewer than 15 employees uh you get to to do things that don't require um full compliance there are National interest exemptions but the biggest problem is that nobody has any money so if you've never heard my take on this there are no rich people because if there were any rich people uh all the interesting people would be swimming in money and I don't mean that they would be driving Lamborghinis like idiots I mean that they would be free and they wouldn't worry about whether they could feed their family in two years uh if you don't have the money for tenure and academic freedom at a meaningful level and you don't have the money to make the people who made you wealthy and safe like physicists and mathematicians rich enough because Fu money is the only Freedom left in our society then of course you're going to get exactly this so I guarantee that if I go on Rogan and I say exactly that which I did it'll reach millions of people many of whom are multi- multi-millionaires and billionaires and I guarantee you nobody thinks to create such an institution so you have to ask yourself the question why are our modern day oh I was muted that whole time medich families completely liberating scientists so that we don't end up with disaster we don't end up with terrible economics that leave us vulnerable to a Fed in investment Banks and we don't wind up in a situation where we're forever guessing whether Epstein killed himself or whether UFOs are real or fake Eric could I ask what kind of you know you mentioned in terms of being a scientist about the evidence and need to see it what kind of evidence would be compelling for you as a scientist in order to take the the phenomenon seriously from is Ashton rugging for anyone else from the techn technologically standpoint um I hear I hear him okay he's clear oh my bad sorry Jesse do you want to take that for I really guys I really believe that I got a chance to speak to a lot of people and I'm I'm interested in boosting Jesse's voice so Jesse what what's your take on that I think I think uh they're more interested in your take than mine because you're more down qualified uh but I mean I'm just gonna words like get some and uhhuh no that's a real hype man right there that's awesome love it um I I'm really curious to get your TAP I think there's a different answer from a civilian perspective which is really all I can speak to which is I kind of already answered before you entered the room Eric uh as far as like Smoking Gun Joey you what what shifts the consensus and then got a question mat useful to a scientist or like what changes their sort of world viiew and so I I am curious to hear to hear your not to deflect so what I would say is uh get a bunch of fly a bunch of us out to a secret location um get us all uh whatever under whatever security that you would have needed to in order to execute the Manhattan Project by the way look at the number of people on the Manhattan Project how successful that was we need a lesle Groves analog to basically take the scientific talent and then show us things like do you have C for an object that came screaming in from behind our satellites and followed a non-ballistic trajectory um do you have high quality video why don't I have TI Tac video even Center of mass coordinates for the Tic Tac uh if if it's not our object and it may very well be our object right it could be that what we did is we pranked our own Pilots with a new technology meant as a decoy and we wanted to see if it would work and as a result we've got a ghost story that won't go away because fraver actually saw something um the key thing is you're not I'll take anything that we can get our hands on where the government says we can assure you that the Providence of this we have an unbroken chain of custody the data is unadulterated ask whatever questions we have experts in the room and you know as the as the cool kids say today let's [ __ ] go but um I I I promise you that Jesse's probably had me in this thing for four years and I've met one theoretical physicist in the entire time that everyone's talking about interdimensional beings and whether these things defy physical law and this is not somebody I've ever heard of in physics I'm not saying he's a bad guy I've just I've never really had a jam session with Eric Davis you've got to stop talking about how put off and jock valet uh and Eric W Davis and you have to start talking you know to Frank wilch and it's not that those guys are those other guys are bad but there's no way in the world uh we called in John Von noyman Richard fin Edward Teller um 700 People Robert Oppenheimer all of these people Rico fairy Neils boore all those people were part of the of the Manhattan Project this thing would the manhatt project and we all sitting around waiting for whether or not Jack fet has something to say I don't even know who kick green is he's got the same personalities and I'm telling you I would I would like to hear from Frank wilch uh Nema Aran hemed David Tong there all sorts of people who should be Ed uh Ed Wht is a very curious question because his father was in this and I don't know what to make of that Eric I have a I have a crazy physics question for you um in our interview with hell put off the bow AR effect came up oh yes which is I guess and correct me if I'm wrong the idea that vector and scaler potentials can possibly be present without a magnetic field present which you know sort of this bizarre anomaly this isic electrodynamics is it possible that some of these potentials exist in uh kind of an extended framework maybe if you were more faithful to Maxwell's original equations and kind of disintermediated um all over heavy side I understand what he kind condensed his equation equation doesn't have to equal zero and you actually have like new new possible uh uh wave wave types that that allow for exotic technology um look as you know I've spent my my whole life working on an all alternate Theory and let me just tell you uh I keep getting bombarded what what do you think of Jack sar's uh Theory or variable speed of light and all this stuff I believe that the next jumps in physics are so much more potent than these tweaks um that it's it's really the weird thing that happened to physics is that physicists don't listen to each other's ideas anymore and unless uh you're part of a a program so if you if a string theorist for example hears that his colleague has a new development listend chat and yet what a Friday night a nonring theorist comes theorist will set up a series of questions that sound as if they're interested but it's basically how do I get you to go away as quickly as possible set of question this is for example uh is practiced at that he says look I'm completely open-minded all you need to do is uh do this crazy thing that uh you know shows that you've got everything completely wrapped up and then I'll listen and my feeling about this is anytime anybody wants to hit the gas the right thing to do is not to just talk about some alteration of Poe potentials or make some con something that was constant variable and promoted to field content like there's a lot to do and nobody is listening to the crowd of people with different ideas and I don't just mean myself uh I don't think that much of Steven wolfram's ideas I feel better about Peter Whit's uh Garrett Le's ideas don't work but they have interesting sub points within them um there are plenty of people Julian Barbour uh what we're what we're not doing doing is we are specifically sidelining everyone who refused to pile into the string theory death car and I'm just not that interested I'll be honest I think that a lot of the physics discussed in the UFO Community is really low quality and that's not an insult because a lot of the physics discussed in the most prestigious institutions we have is of the same type of low quality it's just slightly better than the UFO communities I but isn't it possible though Eric that and I and then I'll I'll leave it to somebody else after this that we figured out something kind of on the applied side and you know initially and then tried to figure out the theoretical side through a lot of the stuff we've uncovered around you know Chapel Hill conference and you know weird anti grab stuff going on at right patters or you know whatever um but uh but the applied sides came first and that sort of ran away into these different you know possible sequestered applications and we don't have a great theory for some of it but we have ways to like make it work just from an kind of an engineering perspective and obviously not having a broader theoretical framework limits the potential uses but maybe you've found like ways to make like local incremental progress based on uh limited framework works and application side breakthroughs you know the you rais an interesting point Jesse assume that you recovered technology uh just stipulate for the moment that you recovered technology from an unknown civilization far in advance of your own so basically like the anti theor mechanism but from uh not an ancient Human Society but something uh far more impressive uh whatever that would be it would be unprecedented because we've never made progress that way before so it's entirely possible that if these things exist and are here that you would be first confronted with somebody else who'd figured this out and then you'd be reverse engineering it uh which effectively doesn't happen the reason we have CERN in the LHC is that together because we we can't study anyone else we can't crib off anyone other than God scratch work um as a result of that uh yes that's that's a logically uh where little green men were and that that why is everything quiet I can't hear anybody oh I just want to remind the room to follow Skyfire news for the latest UFL updates in cool spaces like this sorry about that uh Eric yeah so the to just physicist by the way I think it's a human problem we uh we like to tell our secret well it's not just physicists but what I am trying to say is is that uh we the physicists are not behaving normally at the moment like even without the UFOs uh physics is an unbelievable mess and it's 50 years or 40 Years of it have been psychotic were understandable effort um there were basically two good guesses during the 70s one called super symmetry one called Grand unified theory and if you don't mind a metaphor for those were the right freeways but we took the wrong offramp when that didn't pan out we then uh you know started sniffing glue and uh doing heroic doses of of uh Sonoran Desert toad Venom and so we've been 40 years in Madness as a result of that it's very hard to say was that intended uh is that a way of derailing a a field that had created a Doomsday Machine and the hydrogen bomb was that intended to keep something secret Jesse and I are both um Jesse do you want to talk about the 1971 Australian document and and its significance yeah sure it's the most hidden and plain sight thing that grush has referenced in multiple interviews and that it everybody in this room should just research because it's insane it's basically um Australian intelligence their you know joint intelligence uh uh staff trying to get up to speed on American anti-gravity and UFO retrieval programs since the late 40s and it is a timeline uh from the you know estimates of the situation Twining memo uh in in in 47 after obviously you know um Roswell and and Kenneth Arnold um to up until you know 50s anti-gravity research and it talks about where a lot of This research was anti-gravity research was housed different six University centers um one of which is University of uh North Carolina Chapel Hill which was kind of agne banson one of which was MIT which was Roger Babson um and so it's this to me absurdly I mean if you ever wanted kind of like an interesting Smoking Gun like you do all this open source research you you piece all this stuff together and it's like super patchwor quilt you find this document that like is this like very very uh smooth timeline of like everything and it's it's done by a you know five eyes Ally and uh it's pretty it's pretty bizarre and um Eric you uh had that you know C this sort of crazy thing that you pointed out is that like Pascal Jordan who was a Nazi and probably came over in some paper paperclip like program was part of the anti-gravity research but you had guys like arit Oppenheimer is listed as part of the anti-gravity research which to my knowledge in no other like credible public forum is that is that written about do you mean Oppenheimer I know teller was I think maybe maybe I'm making that up but I I thought Oppenheimer too and definitely teller Freeman Dyson um wheeler wheeler for sure right well wheeler wheeler is actually the weird Godfather of North Carolina Chapel Hill Institute for field physics right because in part dwit was going to blow it and Wheeler had to say don't worry about ping around with pseudo scientists let's get this thing done um so what Jesse Jesse also knows that one way that he was able to seduce me into this was that I had a different puzzle my puzzle was why did the physics community in the 1950s and 60s suddenly create the Golden Age of general relativity when there was no indication that that was the right way to go at the time no I'm not why were these pseudo scientists ping top people and it's poor taste this document if it's forged uh you know there were maybe three people on planet who were really focused on the idea that there was a mystery around um the Golden Age of general relativity so why would somebody create an elaborate 1971 forgery to tell this entire tale to clear up the mystery and the claim inside of the document is there's no reason to start studying uh this stuff but for the fact that we have recovered craft so um you you just have to look at this and is a thing of wonder that as of 1971 there were people who were trying to piece this together now understanding from um where does ER austan journal with a C Ross it's like 10 p.m. there so his point was I think that this was a physicist who was tasked with uh helping to operate the British um you know the Brits used Australia as if it were Nevada so Australia is uh the UK Nevada testing site from the earlier era and so apparently this was a physicist um who was trying to figure out what the hell was going on because supposedly these uh flying objects attended uh above ground nuclear detonations so the whole thing um the way I approach this is I begin from the perspective of let's talk who we know knew their stuff let's look at their mysterious and anomalous behavior joher and then let's try to figure out why they would be doing any weird stuff based on unseen forces and you know my my killer question for this world is where are the physicists if this is a physics phenomenon stop talking material scientists stop talking about metam materials and smart materials start talking about um the most interesting thing is the absence of physicists if you want to know how the Soviet Union figured out something was going on with the atomic bomb it was because we pulled all the fion documents from our libraries and around 1943 and we stopped publishing on fion and so the Soviets said huh that's really interesting the fishion dog isn't barking what's going on how about super productivity the analog right now is where where are the physicists in a thing that is all about physics if it is real and not at all about physics if it's a head fake Eric what do you think about room temperature superc conductivity you know in terms of lk99 I know you're very interested in in the physics aspect of it not interested um I got a question for Eric um last February we had a of shoot Downs uh we had the Chinese spy balloon and then three other objects that got shot down and I can't hear anything now and you did some reporting on on Twitter I'm just wondering what your thoughts are now after it's been about a year the the lack of interest and the lack of answers we've gotten from the government about that that was kind of awkward chat uh Jesse you want to take it I'll I'll take it after you sure um yeah I mean I I I think uh that was like that was the whole time was weird for me like I felt like there were like uh intentional conflations going on uh between prosaic objects the first one being the Chinese spy balloon which to me was just trying to detect the rits the limits of American radar systems flying over ICBM detectors over you know in the uan islands in Alaska um with probably with you know deflection Tech trying to figure out you know um whether whe you know C certain capabilities or whatever and then and then NORAD widens its sensors and then you're picking up a bunch of junk and then I don't know may maybe one out of those things is like a real UFO but like I'm even sort of skeptical of that and then you had a bunch of people kind of mouthing off about how that was sort of super UFO related and then it all seemed to go away and I I I was a little cynical about the whole the whole thing it it it kind of smelled bad to me I would say that the whole thing is about what is anti-in uh the idea that we can't recover debris from these things lets you know that something weird is going on but the problem is yeah I mean if he's not interested in super conductivity then he doesn't even understand the basics CT operations another thing is uh he doesn't even understand the basics you know SciFi uh UFO fantasy stuff and yeah Ryan it was kind of a weird answer um let's just say not interested a pigeon flying through the air and it suddenly runs into not interested super conductivity and it can't make any progress it doesn't have words for I ran into a plate glass weird answer huh um whatever it was found this anti-in it would be interesting to know what happened there's a whole explanation about we opened an aperture to shoot stuff down and we by recalibrating the aperture uh we started picking up the fact that we're being spy on regularly but none of us really um not interested in room temperature super realiz the government is going to waste your time and that certain people in the UFO Community is it sad that I think understand physics about stuff inum um pretty cring I'm just going to say I know that that didn't make any sense whatsoever and I'm not going to sit around trying to figure out uh how do think [Music] candra in the broom clet but what do you think about the lack of answers the denial Foya there seems to be some sort of concerted effort to both bury the story and hello I think I lost you guys oh you lost I just want remind everyone to follow skyp R news for the latest UF updates but uh yeah um I think we'll go also because I think Chris wanted to ask about Patrick's article yes absolutely and uh don't forget to retweet the space I mean it's rare that we get all these great minds in here and so I think a lot of people need to hear what's being talked about tonight but yeah let's go over to Chris hey Eric hey uh Jesse this question's uh for Eric but it uh also I would like Jesse's take as well so going back to where you guys were talked about you know having the right people in the room and I completely agree with that I think that actually goes back to uh couple TW that you had put out a couple weeks ago talking about interdimensional beings and you know you know the Congress Congressman came out talking about that and you know you had a couple tweets that went into that uh I'd like to you know if you want to talk about that a little bit more and then the second question is you to having the right people in the room you know Dr Kirk Patrick uh that was with Aro the director you know he has he has a PhD in physics do you think he was the right guy for the job and did you happen to to read his U his oped in scient space right now uh Jesse you don't mind I'll take this ahead of you I I do want to say I just don't think that we're being fair enough to Jesse Jesse is a much more informed person in the space he's willing to graze much more broadly and I wouldn't be here except for him let me just take that quickly because I'm gonna I'm gonna go meet some people for a musical jam session uh musical J I did read that I thought it was very disappointing let me just say this physics is a big place and there aren't many people who speak the exact language needed to make progress beyond the standard model and general relativity I don't think that Dr Kirkpatrick is somebody who for example uh I don't know his background but I would guess that like bundle theoretic and geometric physics uh both the quantum field Theory and general relativity side is probably necessary I don't think that uh he's necess necessarily the right person I don't know whether he's supposed to put the toothpaste back in the tube I do think that there's a very strange cabal of people who seem to generate an enormous amount of the weirdness around UFOs uh I don't understand it why does everything go through uh how put off in jock valet doesn't make any sense to me um but people get very used to it and they sit around and they talk about Diana Pula and kit green and Eric w Davis till the cows come home and that just doesn't sound like reality to me um with respect to you know we also don't want to hurt each other's feelings uh Eric W Davis has been a prince to me very very nice guy H how put off has been nothing but good to me I don't want to run these people down um but we're in a situation here in which if you're telling me we've lost control of our airspace and you're talking about interdimensional beings I I can promise you that David gush has been told that he knows he has a ba in physics and not a PhD he's not at the relevant level of expertise um and then he tried to do a good job by illustrating it and like look at the pain that he gets into you know he says like holography is an example of a you know Dimension shifting and then suddenly everybody's making F oh so you know is this basically ads CFT um it's really important to be more decent as humans to the people who are in this grush seems entirely sincere to me I've had tons of interaction with him if he's fooling me he's job uh I don't think I think that the problem is that what he's saying is so crazy that we just don't have any basic framework for it somebody said interdimensional and I can promise you I haven't met anyone with enough physics knowledge to fill that out that could be Kusa Klein it could be large extra Dimensions it could be um you know String Theory with cab Yao manifold I hate to be egotistical I got the answer anyone's guess it sounds like somebody read flatland and took too many drags on a doie straight up with interdimensional aliens and you just can't mix this sort of stupid [ __ ] and National Security like that it just it it it makes us look like the Keystone Cops everybody shabbat shalom have a fantastic night really great to be with you uh enjoyed it and you're in good hands with Jesse talk to you guys soon later thanks sir later thank you amazing Jessie thank you Jessie for uh for getting him in here that's great of course yeah yeah it's always it's always fun to uh get get Eric's view on on this stuff um yeah absolutely I hope I hope you enjoy the jam session Eric he plays like eight instruments by the way for anybody curious Jess I want to get your take on that question too that was for you and and Eric by the way and what's the exact you want repeat the question real quick yeah that was just talking about you know the right people in the room and then you know his tweets about that the interdimensional beings Patrick and his his article right if he was the right guy for the job when he was at Arrow stuff like that I think uh kind of I hate using the word epistemically but I keep wanting to use it so sorry but like like Eric and I are coming at it from two two entirely different places like when I show Eric the videos I'm like oh not extraterrestrial in some undiscovered physics framework I think Eric is so much deeper on the physics like like actual physics where he's is like trying to Port that into like specific theoretical models so like when I hear interdimensional I'm like okay like totally possible in some like again yet to be discovered framework um like you know interstitial reality or whatever um I mean I do think uh it is interesting right you have like diens space a fourth dimension which is time in that fourth dimension you have Zeno's Arrow of time which is like this sort of constant linear progression obviously in general relativity you have like dilation um I think in Quantum stuff you you you know a lot of the weird phenomena might have to do with time spookiness and so I think an interesting you know kind of crazy uh mental model which uh you know Eric might want to leave the room to not be Associated when I when I say this or whatever but it's like if you have a Fifth Dimension where Zeno's Arrow of time doesn't sort of apply and you have the ability to kind of time line edit I think that's that's you know an interesting kind of inroad to to to progress here and then on the Kirk Patrick's stuff but again I would follow more like the applied stuff the applied I think what's really interesting if if you can from a research perspective find different possible applied breakthroughs uh in disperate locations that went you know kind of dark or something after after after somebody made a claim I think that's like an interesting kind of heuristic um but uh yeah on the on the Kirk Patrick front I mean I think he's just going to be like looked at you know really badly by history and like you have one guy saying like you know I reached out to arrow and I'm I'm bringing 40 people directly to the Inspector General and like he's saying it's urgent incredible and then you have another guy saying the guy never reached out to me like that's so it's just so easily falsifiable it's such a bold lie it's so like so it's like we're going to we're going to know one way or another very shortly um I'm super skeptical of KCK Patrick and you know a lot of people use the kind of Ed Condon analogy again something red is really uh responsible for kind of digging up and like you know maybe there's maybe there's something there because again it's like I think it's really interesting when people are not again Mick West is probably like the best form of a skeptic where at least he's arguing based on first principles when people are like completely like uh uh reflexively against any sort of first principles analysis and just completely like smug and skeptical which Kirk Patrick seems to be uh you know even more so than NASA at this point um you know I think there's just something off there and you have to you have to ask you know some reasonable questions about motives Ashton and then we're probably going to wrap up soon I feel like uh and we'll head over to the Tupa after space and we could have like more of the community talking and what not but it was awesome space everyone go follow Skyfire news for all the latest updates Jesse dude you killed it uh you brought Eric in that was awesome that was epic deep was here we had kurk J [ __ ] it was pretty stacked today Bruce is here everyone was here Ashton yeah epic space in general make sure everybody you guys are following skyfighter news uh red panda and tuba have just been killing it in terms of content putting it out there I've been super impressed by their stuff also huge thanks to Jesse for being here super impressive guy in terms of all his knowledge and picking up like the physics stuff and that's kind of what I wanted to ask Jesse similar question what I ask Eric Weinstein is you know first of all what are your thoughts on room temperature superc conductivity and general and then what's your thoughts in terms of uh like the academic side like the Eric Weinstein in terms of their view of physics versus like I feel like you have a more Progressive view in terms of what's possible in general I'm just curious not to you know don't want you to badmouth them or anything like that but you know what are your thoughts in terms of like how you distinguish the people who are very strong advocates for their the UFO phenomenon versus you know what Eric Weinstein was saying about you know being skeptical needing to see more data Etc personally and I'm uh again probably unqualified to have this position I I literally have a ba in history but like I I think you have to follow applied breakthroughs I don't I actually don't think I think the theoretical models come after looking at observable anomalies and so like one interesting kind of like three liner breadcrumb is uh like it's like why did you have this like Resurgence and anti-gravity research in the 50s at places like R Patterson Air Force Base or like that makes a lot of sense the Chapel Hill conference which estblished quantum gravity of which Str theory is kind of the the the the the stepdaughter if you will in 1957 so it's like why do you have this interest in anti-gravity that like spikes in the 50s and I think there's actually very interesting try not to make political guys German programs um there are these Legends of like if you read ni Cook's book called The Hunt for zero point scoto Works which is you could think of as kind of the German Skunk Works and C Slovakia and Poland they're doing some pretty out there stuff you have the durlock Bell rumors and then you have like Victor shurger you know flying discs and saucers it's my understanding that at least some of that team there's a guy named Richard Maita makes it to a project in Canada that is a joint British aircraft and Canadian kind of outfit called Avo car which eventually gets taken over by the US and housed at right Patterson and so it's like you have you figured out like this like crazy applied stuff it's probably done in this like era of Border science in um uh you know Germany which actually didn't take uh relativity seriously because uh to them it was seen as Jewish science and associated with Einstein and they were obviously you know hyper Arian racists or whatever and so um it's it's think this stuff's taking place in an entirely different framework if you look at Victor shurger he's like this Bizarro naturalist who's talking about you know implosion vortexes and [ __ ] and so like I again like I'm I'm maybe way more uh Renegade than than Eric is uh in that like I I think I think Theory follows uh these wacky experiments that often tend to Peak in times of in stability and War and uh you know I think I think it's I think it's sort of interesting to track that first and uh I think if you track the Personnel just from like a pure like IQ credentials physics level and you're like why aren't these people like interacting with the you know UFO world I think they're like I think you're just G to get really frustrated yeah it makes sense and I didn't know you were a history major I think that makes a lot of sense about how you have some deep knowledge about a lot of the and everything related to all this but um yeah very impressive thanks a lot man you I just want to um we're probably going to end it here I want to thank everyone for showing up uh every Friday we try to do like a major show get um awesome high level guest um and then we go through the news right um if you're following this topic um you know that there's news happening every single day before I was like really really paying attention I didn't know that you know I only got the the Normie stuff like when David grush came out or 2017 when we got all those videos or the Pentagon confirming in 2020 you know I didn't I didn't realize until I really started paying attention that there is news every single day so every Friday we go through the news of the week we try to have really good guest and I hope everyone enjoyed the space this was uh this was amazing I mean the guest list was nuts I can't believe the conversation and uh directions we were able to go um positively the conversation never broke down guys this is what it's about so please remember the space retweet the space we recorded it um so don't be afraid to share it again um a great Jesse thanks for coming bro thanks bringing Eric do you have anything coming up uh and yeah like T said everyone follow Skyfire news anything you want to promote or anything before we close out here uh thank you guys for the opportunity I I I hate to hit you with the Shameless plug I'm coming out with the crazy craziest kind of two-hour documentary almost as good as one of your videos red panda but not not quite there uh in in like I want to say like a week or two um so check check that out thank you guys awesome and I'm glad you know keemstar you lending your massive uh voice to this space is super cool and yeah tup but thank you for moderating and uh yeah app appreciate all you guys oh it was a pleasure man it was pleas defitely have to do it again when that video Drops make sure you uh like remind us I mean we'll see it anyways but yeah we'll definitely cover it appreciate you thank you def definitely will awesome man well I want to thank all the speakers again uh you guys were great uh sorry if you guys didn't get a chance to ask a question we're gonna have host after space come to that um and let's talk about it guys all right good show bye everyone damn that space was fire chat that space was fire wow okay let me uh let's do a quick breakdown and then we're going to end it for the night it's been a long stream that was really good space wow well we have some data for data here for Eric Weinstein if he's interested I may try to reach out to um Jesse and see if you can look at this Jesse kind of played it like I'm good at reading people um probably because I used to play poker a lot so I'm good at reading people and telling people what like figuring out what people's like um what their feelings are about stuff I think that my honest opinion of Jesse is he's not convinced the videos are real and so he's afraid to put himself out there with respect to the videos but I think that if we present ourselves in such a way where people know we're being honest about our own opinion then slowly people will start to come to accept them and look at them with an open eye right cuz people like Eric Weinstein want evidence well we've got evidence man we got videos we got exactly what he wants to see now it's kind of crazy how like people will say they want evidence but then they look at the actual evidence and then they say that oh well that's not you know that's fake or whatever right and that's the reason why we ask people like what do you want to see from the evidence right because we've got it we're staring at it right here right we're staring at it right here you know it's like you what else can you ask for other than like seeing crafts seeing the orbs firsthand right and that's kind of what Eric Weinstein said in his response is he's like oh well take us into the room well you have to sign an NDA if they do that if they take you into the room they're going to make you sign an NDA and then you can't say anything about it right that's the reality of the situation so if Eric and Weinstein wants that then the problem is he'll never be able to talk about it right that's the issue that's the thing I find is kind of uh hypocritical about a lot of these people is like they want the evidence but then when they see the evidence they go oh that's fake or you know they don't realize they'll have to sign an NDA in order to be able to like even see the evidence um I want to address a few questions that were in the chat is how put off Counter Intelligence here's the reality of my opinion for everybody who's out there um I'm like two degrees of freedom away from halut okay so like me other people halut I think that on the inside a lot of these guys and I I can't believe all the connections that I've been able to make the people that know these people on the inside like I've been hang I've know I haven't been hanging out with Jesse but like we were in spaces with him I've talked to him on the phone he knows David grush firsthand right he's friends with him I know people who know how POF like so I'm not directly connected to these people I'm one degree of Freedom away from them or two degrees however you want to count that there's people on the inside that want the information to come out and there's people on the inside that don't want the information to come out I think that they both have justifiable reasons you heard it tonight on the space the reality of the situation chat is that some people think that this can be doomsday technology and they want America to have this technology and nobody else which is very Noble and patriotic and you know know a na a kind of nationalist approach to the situation um and I can't I can't fault them for that I think that Lou Alando is one of those people I think that Lou alzando is one of the people that is country first and he's not going to release any information that could hurt the nation right because he has his NDA and because he's probably very patriotic and that's why I think the situation for him is that he's slow dripping the information and profiting off of it while not really telling anything thing that moves the needle forward because like I said on the space it's a Pandora's Box the moment you say that we have a unification theory of quantum and macro that's been proven everything comes out at once it's not a matter of saying oh well we are going to get the medical healing and the teleportation Tech and the force field and the free energy but we're going to leave the the Doomsday technology hidden that's not an option it's not Burger King it's not have it your way it's the moment you reveal any of this everything comes out at once it's a Pandora's Box um the Eric Weinstein part about superc conductivity that was a weird answer so I think that confirms our opinion about Eric Weinstein which is that he's a very smart person but that when it comes to the ufology space he's got a childlike mentality to it he's he's a very new approach to it right he's still stuck in the CNN brain approach of well I haven't seen a paper about it that's been been peer reviewed by my favorite scientist and I haven't seen it on TV right like that's the issue is that and he thought we heard him say it right there he said he thought well why aren't the physicists coming out he was in a literal interview with Jesse Michaels and Hal POF Hal Poff is one of the people who knows about the information he says he knows Eric Davis Eric Davis is one of the people as well I have it on pretty good authority that Eric DAV Davis is one of the people who's hiding the information he's one of the people thinks that it shouldn't be released that he's happy to go out there and say that oh it's all fake don't look at it even though he knows it's real imagine just theoretically if how if Eric Davis has gone through a literal Stargate a portal and then he's going out there and telling other people that it's not real just think about that for a second the same way where we have him on record talking to Admiral Davis or uh Admiral what's the the Davis Admiral uh paper or whatever we have him on record talking about this stuff and then he denies it like he he downplays it right so just think about that just keep in mind Chad this is what I want you guys who are listening to think about is that there are people on both sides some people that want the information out some people that don't so to Eric Weinstein's Point why are the physicists not bringing out they are they're trying the reality is there's not that many of them what we found out is a small Niche group of people that know about this and all you have to do is say that they are disinformation or that they're crazy or all this stuff that they say and then nobody takes them seriously it's a lot easier than Eric Weinstein thinks and he even said it he even said well the moment that ER oh uh yeah uh W Wilson the Wilson Davis memo right that's the name of it but it's a lot easier than Eric Weinstein says he says well I don't want to go put my name out there I don't people don't want to tie themselves to it because they get attacked and blah blah blah well there you go man that's the reason why the disinformation is so easy because all it takes is people to discredit you and now you don't even want to speak up anymore because the people that know have basically no incentive to release the information let's just say that I know that orbs are real that I get told that the orbs in this video that we're looking at right here are real and I can profit off of it why the hell would I want to let everybody else know about it why would I put my family's uh like why would I put my family on the line just to reveal this to other people that don't want to believe in it anyway I wouldn't if the government were to pay me $10 million to stop talking about this why would I not accept that right as opposed to all the abuse that I've gotten from people and all the stuff like that and I consider myself more able to take all the troll abuse than a random people like random people that are scientists or whatever like this stuff breaks them down for me I don't give a crap right so that's how it's so easy to keep a secret so those are the first two questions the other one was uh what are thoughts on meta materials are they alive I don't think that meta materials are necessarily alive but are plasmoids alive now that's an interesting question I think the question comes down to is the universe itself alive imagine our bodies right now if you were to look inside of our bodies at the like the smallest possible scales would we find living organisms in our bodies yeah absolutely we would would they be able to understand that they're living inside of a body of another organism that's alive probably not could that be the same as our universe theoretically so I don't have any I I don't struggle with this idea that plasmoids themselves could be alive I think that that's something that seems perfectly reasonable um now I don't have any evidence or proof of that but when you look at the double slit experiment one of the things that I get from the double slit experiment is that the universe is aware of itself that it's somehow able to retroactively react faster than the speed of light to the knowledge that it's being observed and that's a pretty weird phenomenon it goes beyond our understanding of Consciousness and linear time flows and that's what I think Eric Weinstein and the old school physicists that don't believe in a lot of this stuff really need to go back to how do they explain the double slit experiment the answer is they can't right and that's really where all this boils back down to you need whatever Theory you come up with you need to have that be able to incorporate the double slit experiment and the results related to the double slit experiment and once you do that you start to realize that even stuff like this which seems impossible can actually make scientific sense that we can break through what we understand to be possible and rational through this level of reality that we're seeing right here to to another dimension and now when we talk about multi-dimensional species we're not talking about ghosts and whatever although you might be what we're really talking about is what you see in these videos is the ability to break through these Dimensions to another dimension which is the dimension that you see when the Black comes up the cold endothermic zap which can provide potentially even uh negative energy which is what's needed to keep the wormhole open here that's the extra Dimension and that's why the plane literally disappears right here is there's another dimension but you can also just think of it as faster than light travel right the way that Roy de Herbert looks at it this is where we have to break down this concept of extradimensional beings but what was said today when Amanda brought up and and retweeted that or uh posted that that uh video which I think it made it on Reddit by the way Amanda the for the contractor who knows about the information it's said about trans dimensional travel this is what they're talking about this is transdimensional travel you're staring at it it's just like keep this in mind chat the last thought science is explaining observable reality we just use words to explain what we see so if you want to call this super luminal travel if you want to call this transdimensional travel whatever you want to call it we're talking about an airplane disappearing in one moment and then appearing somewhere else in the same moment or in a moment later okay um I don't think that Eric knows about the MH370 stuff my guess is he has no idea whatsoever so and to tertiles point Wormhole multi-dimensional they're all the same thing that's not what's important what we call it is not important what is actually what we're actually seeing is what's important that's my whole point there you want to call it multi-dimensional you want to call it a wormhole at the end of the day they're all the same thing we're just putting semantical terms onto something that we're visually observing in our actual reality right here you want to call a wormhole a portal you want to call it a phase transition whatever you want to call it it's all the same stuff that's the important part and yes to Eve's point would would you say it disappears at the moments of planks constant that's also another way to interpret it yes is that the Super Force is equivalent to the plank Force and and potentially the plank constant I think I'm getting that correct from a scientific perspective is that the plank concept the reason why you get the plank scales is because this is where the universe is expanding theoretically f faster than the speed of light this is where you have a breakdown of the forces where we can't comprehend it I think that that is accurate Izzy big donation thank you very much they won't because they don't want to lose funding or credibility this is exactly right this is the why the scientists don't speak up to Eric Weinstein's question why do they not want to speak up about this stuff a because they're getting funding and the funding they're getting is huge these people are living high life right and the second is they don't want to lose credibility look how many people are calling this grifters even though we've never asked for money ever never we've never gone out there and said anything esoteric all the stuff that we've been saying is supported by physics and electrical engineering imagine if we were out here saying that like cons we can control the orbs with our Consciousness or that we can conjure the orbs with our Consciousness people would be calling us totally nuts right to the point that somebody just brought up in the chat the Chris bledo Theory right and this is why I don't approach that is that I take it from a very rational logical approach as as logical as teleporting a plane really can be right because you have to keep it somewhat grounded and it's not a matter of I really think it's aliens and I'm lying about it to make it more palatable I literally think this is locky Martin technology I literally do the reality is if I was trying to make this more palatable I I would not be saying we're teleporting a plane here I would be saying that they are cloaking This Plane somehow cuz that's to me the most palatable option but it's not cloaking because the plane just literally freaking disappears and there's no smoke Trail anymore so just keep that in mind yeah Charles actually that's the one I was just talking about the Nico one guys I was literally just mentioning the Nico one we have like at least four different people now I think basically saying that teleportation is real you've got Steven Greer mentioning it um I think even Richard doy was mentioning it you've got this Nico guy mentioning it and uh Salvador Pas also says that it's legit I mean we've got tons of people saying that teleportation is real and people just aren't listening it's that simple they say oh give me the proof well what do you want me to do you want me to get locki Martin to break the orbs out this doesn't it's not something you can just do in your home you got to have like multi-billion dollar technology in order to pull it off so that's the problem right so chat I love what you guys are doing right now I think this was a great stream and a great space that we had we've been going three and a half hours uh let me see if there's any other last question s yeah I would say that the real grifters are the ones who are profiting off disclosure profiting off the science while not disclosing what they really know to me that's what a grifter is somebody who knows more information but they're slow dripping you that information so far I've never done that so far to date I've given you guys all the information I can give you without compromising the people that I trust and my sources um um and in some cases I've even done that I've shown my DMs and I get this I get people attacking me for that I don't say stuff and I get people attacking me for that the one thing I don't do is I don't give you guys false promises if it's my opinion I tell you it's my opinion if it's a people that I've talked to I tell you as my people I've talked to and if it's part of the investigation I just put it out there right away um only a handful of times have I even said that I'm going to give an announcement for announcement only like once or twice I think I said tomorrow morning check out the post I'm going to make rarely do I even do that kind of stuff I just put it out there and I don't care how many people watch or how many views I get or how much money I make that's not a factor at all in anything that I've been doing okay any other last questions before we end tonight cheers everybody I definitely want to find out who that Nico guy is because I'd be happy to talk to him apparently he's putting out a book pretty soon now that does make me question stuff a little bit but the reality is maybe we'll put out a book one day I don't know right I might put out a book one day and because the answer is I want to get answers for these freaking videos I want to I don't want to necessarily profit off it but the reality is I think that the book that we would write could be a New York Times bestseller I mean even if it was fake I think it could be a New York Times bestseller cuz man we have gone through some crap chat like you guys who have been following in from a since August you know what we've been going through we used to be a 30 follower account and we would join spaces and basically beg people to look at the stuff we're looking at now we're at 79,000 follower account and we're in spaces with Eric Weinstein keemstar Jesse Michaels and we're asking like real adult scientific questions to people like just look at how far we've come incredible story just incredible I sit there and find myself looking at some of my own tweets and just rereading them like five times because I find it interesting and I'm just sitting there going [ __ ] I wrote this it's crazy man it's really crazy so the reality is I don't know what comes next for us guys I'm on this roller coaster ride just like you guys are if you guys think that this is wild and you can't believe it well imagine how I feel being in the driver's seat right I can't even believe it half the time I'm sitting here looking at a plane disappear out of SpaceTime I would have never thought this is possible without seeing two perfectly in sync videos with far more detail than anybody could ever fake it's just freaking nuts so yeah we'll see um last thing I'll say is that there are people who are interested in documentary I turned one person down already who wanted to do some kind of like human interest story style documentary about me I just I said I wasn't interested I didn't really want to do that um Melo demon who you guys saw in the space tonight is somebody who's my friend who wants to do a documentary about it the reality is I don't think the government will let a documentary get done in the same where way we have people talking about us and talking crap about us like that's going to happen to people who are serious producers as well they're going to say don't don't do this because they'll they'll make up something or they'll say it's a national security issue or whatever because the reality is if this information is real if the V video that we're looking at right now is Real This represents billions of dollars in lawsuits and potential jail time for the people who have been hiding this information that's the scary part of about it part of me actually hopes it's fake CU if it's not I'm at real risk so that's the reality of it a little bit guys um but yeah documentary a documentary would be sick about this guys the only sad part is like I don't know if we have enough like at people aren't following me around recording me but that's also part of the reason why I'm streaming everything because one day if somebody wants to do documentary about this I want them to have everything recorded right I want them to have everything which is all our streams all the podcasts we've been doing I want everything documented and then also if I were to just somehow disappear one day well there you guys go you've got like me saying I wouldn't I wouldn't suicide myself like a dozen times like how much more do you need than that right um so appreciate you guys just to close out the stream tonight let's go back to full screen uh Izzy thank you very much for the second donation I appreciate you cheers to the ugly and beautiful truth that's the last that's one of the last things I want to say is that um the truth is ugly the truth is not something that's easy to accept for people that's the reality of the truth I learned that even before the videos came out is that the truth is something that people do not want to accept right and I knew that ahead of time and that's fine I don't care I'm fine with accepting all of that uh the other thing I saw some other messages in the chat honestly this stream if we made a documentary I think that it would be similar to Tiger King with based on the just amount of drama behind the whole phenomenon like keemstar was talking about today in the space like it's crazy how much drama there is about there keemstar is like I never expected this much drama I didn't expect it either when I got involved in it I had no idea what UFO Twitter was going to be like it was way more drama than I even thought political sides you've got people like they've got their own pet beliefs about the phenomenon's about and other people had their own pet beliefs like it is wild it deserves like a tiger King style documentary it really does I mean there's literal criminals like keemstar saying in this community literal criminals it's just nuts okay any last questions guys yeah there's probably an active disinformation campaign hiding the stuff but here's the thing too guys I don't want you guys to go on a redit and everywhere else and claim that everybody's different disinformation agent the reality is there are probably a few but most people aren't most people are just blinded in their own world view just like the movie The Matrix most people are not necessarily disinformation agents they just unknowingly fight for the status quo what they think and they know to be true they're willing to fight for it because the reality is if they are wrong then everything they know is a lie and here's a sad thing that I've realized as well is that I've polarized so many people with this where now if they were to admit they were wrong it would damage their credibility permanently like just look at it through the lens of just Mick West alone if these videos were to end up being true Mick West's whole career is over permanently over he can never debunk anything ever again because everybody would say look at how wrong you were about the mh37 videos and every single reply to everything he debunks for the rest of his entire life that's just the reality right and that's just Mick West let alone all the other people who've been railing saying how fake it is Imagine The Psychology that they would have to go through to accept that they were wrong about the videos they will never accept that they were wrong even if the dod were to come out and say that these videos about MH370 are real the majority of the debunkers would not admit that they were wrong most of them would say no the dod is lying whatever because cognitive dissonance would take over and they would have to commit to themselves that they world is not a lie so I want you guys to understand the reality of the situation we're in we have to awake people up it's not a matter of proving the technology to be real technology is already 100% real based on my own investigation and everything that we found out there it's a matter of waking people up like in The Matrix waking people up to the reality that they live in a matrix and that's all I want to say to you guys I appreciate you guys very much um Everybody in the chat tday everybody who followed along we had an awesome stream awesome space um thank you guys for being here thank you guys for being part of m370x and I can't look forward to talk I look forward to talking to you guys again I think the next stream will be tomorrow night guys so tomorrow night uh next stream thank you for being here let's do it again peace every