MH370 Videos Debunker Debate Friday

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Carl Sagan could not have predicted 2021, but he did see it coming. He wrote the following back in 1995 and we quote, "I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time when the United States is a service and information economy, when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries, when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few >> [music] >> and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues. When the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority, >> [music] >> when clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical [music] faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, >> [music] >> we slide almost without noticing back into superstition and darkness. The dumbing down of America is most evident [music] in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media. The 30-second sound bites now down to 10 seconds or less, >> [music] >> lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and [music] superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance. Roll that around for a while. Those were [music] among his final published words. He died 10 months later. Here we are 25 [music] years later realizing just what he was trying to tell us back then. Aston Forbes, you know that super jacked guy? Malaysian 370 contact Ho Chi Minh 120 decimal niner niner. Breaking news tonight, a Malaysia Airlines flight [music] with 239 people on board including four Americans >> [music] >> has gone missing. Even as these grainy satellite images released today by the Chinese [music] government >> Again, the the Malaysia flight 2 was a was one shot at China saying "Knock it off." Why shoot it down though if it's not hostile? Our technologies permit us to manipulate [music] time and space. What do Americans look like? Any distance [music] annihilated. This country is very powerful. Far more powerful than people understand. >> [music] >> We have weaponry that nobody has any idea what it is and it is the most powerful weapons in the world. Not even close. I remember the >> [music] >> line from the Hindu scriptures, the Bhagavad Gita. >> [music] >> Vishnu is trying to persuade the prince that he should do [music] his duty. And to impress him takes on his multi-armed form [music] and says "Now I am become death >> [music] >> the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that one way or another. >> [music] >> Happy Friday everybody. Welcome to the live stream guys. We got something special going on today. We are going to debate a debunker or redditor guys straight up no preparation just accepting the debate right off the bat. You may say "Ashton, why are you going to debate an anonymous redditor who you who's not even going to show their face?" A, because I'm bored. Because I there's been nobody to debate and there's nothing else to do and also I want to go through the evidence. I want to show people "Hey, look, this is why this case is so compelling." So we're going to see how this goes. I have no idea how it's going to play out. We're going to run through the evidence, run through some questions, do this in a cordial manner. At least we'll start. We'll see how it goes. So, without further ado, I'm going to bring on board Hopefully I'm saying it Chuck Feeney. Chuck Feeney, hold on. Let me get you up here. >> You got it right. You had it correct. There we go. >> Chuck Feeney. It's a play off of fact checkers, but I am no fan of fact checkers if um if that's something that you wanted to know. Okay, well, let's start with this then. I'm thinking let's start with an introduction in terms of like, you know, who you are, how you saw these videos, and what led you to this moment right here. You don't have to not exactly who you are, but, you know, what What's What's your situation? Why should we listen to you? So, I am It's kind of an interesting story because I'm a account with like 250 followers. I think I did cause some some a bit of a stir today on your your X page, but um you know, I I do have a few things I'd love to say about myself to kind of make you understand. So, like first of all, to to kind of quote Always Sunny, I'm not some science [ __ ] You know, I don't know if I can say that on here or not, but like I'm not going to believe anything that like like everything that scientists say. Like science can be a liar sometimes. That's what Max said, right? Like so, I I'm not here to like tell you that the government doesn't have secret technology or things like that. In fact, I believe in certain things like the the Calvin UFO photo, really good photo. I believe that black market, you know, US technology being tested in Scotland. Um I believe we probably have some things like the uh the anti-gravity technology, but um where I draw the line is definitely, you know, kind of at that video in particular. Okay, why Why do you draw the line at that video? I'll Yeah, let me get through I'll explain fully, right? So, what I'm trying to say about that video in particular is that we do have a wealth of evidence out there, including your videos, your couple of videos, but then we have these pictures, and then you've got the stuff that's on textures.com, which was formerly a different website, uh where those textures did exist. Um the the actual pictures from uh this guy in 2012 who who took photos from outside his uh his plane, and uh those are higher quality than your video, and that's higher quality than what you can get on textures.com. >> now. You don't have to do that all right now. I just want to introduce >> no, this is It's that you asked me for the reasons, so that's why I said the reasons, right? Um So, that's what I The argument I'm making The argument I'm making here is that you cannot take a cake after it's baked and very easily turn that back into uh flour. So, by logic, like obviously the the source videos or the source pictures are the ones that are the the most high quality, which are definitely those ones from 2012. So, um I'll be making that argument. I want to hear out your physics stuff. I like that. Um I've seen a few of the physics papers you've released. They're not related to your uh floating orbs teleportation theory at all. Um they're related to other things, like it's real plasma physics, real laser physics, you know, related to trying to get fuel efficiency with uh stuff, but it's not There There's that one guy on YouTube who does the Like you've had him on before, and he talks about physics. It's theoretical. It's not physics that like people are reproducing and uh getting like a a 0.5 confidence score on. You know what I mean? 0.05, like this is not that type of physics. It's theoretical. So, um that Those are kind of some of the reasons um that I would like have to to go against you, but um I Yeah. That's uh okay. I didn't really hear exactly why we should listen to you there, but what I heard was that you saw these debunks on the internet, and although you're interested in the UFO phenomenon and other potential, I don't know, out there phenomena esoteric phenomenon, you draw the line on these videos because you've seen that these videos have been debunked, and that means that you you feel like you have to let people know that these videos are debunked. And so this is you, you know, kind of making your stand here. If you're being on If I'm being honest, I discovered you through other politics that I probably wouldn't even want to discuss on here. You know, like who you support and who you don't support. Um I've had a couple Go ahead. Yeah, but that that doesn't really pertain to it um exactly, but I did discover you through like uh you know, Thomas Massie uh hate from your side. Um so basically that's all it was. Um I have a bunch of people that I follow on X that I'm just kind of like, you know, I'm doing my political thing. You know what I mean? All right, well let's just start with this thing. So what I wanted to begin with was just an introduction in terms of what your core argument, my core argument. I'll just begin since you just went there. For me, mine's pretty short, pretty simple. MH370 videos are real. That's a CIA operation. We're looking at CIA surveillance. That's why people don't recognize that footage because we've never seen anything like that. This kind of footage doesn't leak naturally. So this would have had to leak through some extraordinary means. In particular, the claim that I'm making specifically is that Lieutenant Commander Edward C. Lin of the VPU-2 Wizards went to prison for 6 years specifically is the guy that leaked this footage. Most likely he intercepted it incidentally, and that's how it got on the internet because people would say, "How are you going to leak a real operation? Nobody would ever leak an operation like this." And I would agree in general. So what we're seeing here is two real leaked videos of of what happened on that operation. I think it's extremely obvious when we go through the evidence and the facts of the videos. And what that means is that anybody that's trying to claim that those videos are fake or that they're cartoons or VFX or that some random person made them, there's absolutely no way that that's going to hold up uh against the weight of the evidence. That that's my overall claim in general, and I'm happy to go through each individual claim uh one at a time. So go ahead, you can do your your introduction now. That's pretty much what I had for my introduction is essentially that um I think it's very provable that the actual cloud images were in higher quality format online and there those pictures are provably taken. There's plenty of evidence to assume or or even know that those are completely genuine photographs and that there's no way that you would have you know all these similar same cloud structures just kind of you know done in a different way. So I do think like yeah you're right that there is some you know government ops but let me tell you I don't think that they teleport killed a Malaysian Airlines and actually I kind of want to know why you would even think that they would want to do that. That's the main thing I want to know is your what's the motive cuz one guy said oh they had Chinese semiconductor technology and we we had to do it and then you know I've heard from you I think before that they were doing it as a test on like a full plane. So good question. My answer to that question is I don't care. I don't care why they were trying to do it. I have absolutely no bias whatsoever towards these videos being real not real why are we doing it. >> said I had to prove who faked it so I'd like I think I'd like a good answer to what your assumption is even. You can preface it but tell me what you think the motive of the CIA was. >> we did that because there were people on that plane that couldn't wouldn't be allowed to go to China. It was asset denial would be the exact reason that the CIA will most likely use when they are forced to admit that we did that. They're going to say that it was asset denial that will be the exact legal reason that they will use and it will be broad enough that it will cover them doing that on a civilian airliner. Does that answer your question? Yes. Kind of. Now I have a question for you. have a question for you now my turn my turn. Okay. Who do you think hoaxed the videos? I don't know. Exactly. The reason why you will never know the answer to that question is because I don't have to you don't have to prove who hoaxed hoaxed the video. There's plenty of hoax videos out there that you don't know who filmed it. Have you ever Have you ever seen a video Ashton have you ever seen a video online that you have not known the origin of or you don't know who filmed it but you you think it's true? Yeah. Yeah, of course. So, that's not even an argument, man. So, let me tell you something real quick. So, Obi-Wan Kenobi in episode 3, he said you got to fight from the high ground, right? You got all the followers, I have 250, right? But, guess what? I'm Obi-Wan Kenobi in episode 1, dude. I'm fighting from the low ground, and I'm coming for you. You're Darth Maul. You know what I mean? >> the videos, then? My question for you Go ahead. Actually, what I If you don't >> Okay. Let's tell them about my bet. What was the What was What was the bet that I made to you on X earlier? Let's talk about the bet. >> Here's why it's a problem. $500 bet, people. You're claiming that someone used these photos to make these videos. That's your claim in your introduction, and the problem with that is that I'm going to be able to prove that those photos don't exist on the internet before the videos. That's a huge You're actually putting because now you've narrowed down the person who made the videos to two people. The person who took the photos or the owner of the website. Because they don't exist anywhere on the internet before the videos. So, I'm just skipping straight to the end of the arguments here. Just go to your DMs. I sent you I sent you textures.com. No, let me respond. Let me respond. So, textures.com sent out a message, and they actually showed a screenshot that those actual images were sent as a batch by this this artist. Um and it was sent in 2012. They have the batch, and what happened was the actual company changed names in 2014. So, it was a re-upload when they changed names, and they switched things up. But, those were there since 2012, and they said so. And I actually have the images, they're downloadable, and there's no way you can prove to me that those are higher quality than your video, which means that they snatched them from the video and turned it into the photos. It's only possible that the photos were turned into the video. So, like I don't I don't really know where you're coming from, dude. Great, thank you. Let me address those points. I don't know how you haven't seen my arguments on those, but let's start with the facts, right? Number one, there's actually no factual evidence whatsoever that supports any type of database migration. What you're looking at on your screen right now is the actual API from the website directly. What you see right here on the top, where you see this circle, this is Ariel 0028. This is the folder in which you linked to me the Reddit link where I found those photos in question. I also have ready to go the actual downloaded high-resolution photos, which I have authenticated, confirmed myself in terms of your map, which we'll pull up here in a minute. But, I want to point out the creation date of this folder is March 25th, 2012. That's the creation date. The way a database works is the creation date is the original date in which that data element was produced. The update date is the most recent date in which it was updated. Pretty simple stuff. Now, this is what debunkers have used to claim that this proves that the photos were on the internet. The problem is that's just for the folder. The actual photos in question here, which you can see the different images, image one right here, for example, uh I can figure out which one that corresponds to in terms of the images from the download. I did confirm that they do correspond. I did match that before that we decided to do the debate today. Shows that this was first uploaded October 25th, 2014. Now, what you're telling me here is you are saying that this is because there was a database migration and that the old photo was lost and we don't have a copy of that anymore and there's actually just there's so coincidentally there's an unfalsifiable condition here that we can't prove, but you say these existed somewhere on the internet, but you can't tell me where and there's no proof that they existed anywhere on the internet. >> Go ahead. >> That's actually That's completely like you're doing some stuff with I I know what you're doing with that, but what you have to understand is that the actual person the person who was on the owned the website actually stated that they received the photos. And like the thing is you have to show that the photos are false, too. They've been forensically proven to be true photos. So, you can't get around the fact that the photos exist and they're not faked from your video. So, the photos exist independently from your video. Now, you go to textures.com right now and you look at that 2014 video, here's how you prove that it exists existed beforehand because that you download it is a lower quality version than what I sent to you in a Google Drive that was from the actual guy who took them. So, this is what you have to understand. >> You think my claim is You think my claim is that someone used the videos to make those photos? You have to prove to me that these photos that include features like Mount Fuji are incorrect because it's clear that the photos and just to be real, like you were talking about that that explosion not being VFX because everybody's butthole is the same. And let me tell you, dude, not everybody's butthole is the same. They're not all the same refractory, you know, message or whatever you're talking about, man. I'm just kidding there, but you know what I mean? Like all I'm trying to tell you is that there is multiple reasons why that is a VFX. >> know my arguments. I have my arguments because you don't seem to know my arguments. I have never said that I actually it's not true. Once upon a time at the very beginning, I said they must have used the videos to make that. But just like you, >> Yeah, you did. >> that's no way that that could be possible because they're not all the same. >> And here's the other thing. That's not what they used. Why? Because what did I say at the beginning? What was my argument in the introduction? Edward Lynn somehow got access to this when he shouldn't have had access to this. He wasn't looking at the original source or if he was, that copy that we got was not the original source. What happened what I can attest happened is this footage leaked on the internet May 19th, 2014. That's the we can prove unlike you. I can prove that this was on the Wayback Machine on that date before that this upload date that I just showed you. Let me finish. >> Go find it. If you go find it, you will find that it is a lower quality version than what I sent you because it was not the source. It was the uploaded version. The photos we are looking at are from the >> Those photos were sold to them in 2012. They were sold to them in 2012 as a company and they told you that. They they tweeted you that, man. >> anything they want. The problem is people are liars and people can be deceived. That's why I stick to facts, not opinions. And the facts are those images were uploaded October 25th, 2014. That's a fact. Undeniable. >> assuming that this asset like this asset site is CIA? >> your Let's just stop arguing here. Let's just stop. Can we admit those photos were uploaded October 25th, 2014? Whether or not you think it was from a database, we can admit that. They were uploaded. So, they had the documents since 2012, but they uploaded it before you. >> had the documents, there's no evidence, and I want to take it a step further because you're pushing back on this. I want to take it a step >> Dude, every every document that goes Let me tell you this first. No. No. I'm going to tell you this first, Ashton. Okay, continue. Go ahead. You go. Since you don't want to let me talk, go ahead. Oh my god. I completely forgot what I was going to say. Just continue with me. >> Let me Can I go then? And you don't want to let me let me talk? Okay. So, I'm going to show you evidence. Here are your photo This photo right here is one that was from the downloaded images that you sent. This was actually image number Let me pull it up in the files so people can follow. >> Okay. Why is that higher quality? Why is that higher quality than what I can download from the website that uploaded it? Why is that higher quality? Because it's a source image compared to what was uploaded. Okay. Sorry, I have to remove you, but you're not letting me finish. So, I'm going to do it solo if you don't let me speak. Unfortunately, I'll have to either forcibly mute you or remove you when you do it. So, this image right here is an image from one of the downloaded images from Jonas Terral. We can't find any of the images that were supposedly used to create the MH370 videos. So, here now I'm going to share this. This is the Wayback Machine right here. This right here is the Wayback Machine. You can see this Wayback Machine archive is 2013. That right there this right here oh, it won't go bigger for some reason on this screen. This is the same exact image that I just showed you. So, we can find exact images from the set that you just shared with me. I'll pull you back up now. Exact images from the set on the Wayback Machine, but somehow the the photos in question related to the ones that were supposedly used to make the MH370 videos are not there. Now, I'll let you pull you back up. Go ahead and give me your counter to that. Um yeah, I I don't think that's necessarily like as important as you do because what like I said before, if you actually go to the website right now where people say you got the assets, which is not necessary he could have sold the assets to multiple places or they could have as well. So, it doesn't necessarily mean they got it from that website, but the owner did say that they received the set of images in 2012. So, it wouldn't be surprising that one of the images was out in 2013 because they were clearly sold to this person and they're a business person who just admitted they're not CIA Ashton. Um they are just people who wanted to debunk you by showing the fact that the images that display the clouds in the behind your your video are actually from this set from that this guy sold them in 2012, which is what they told you. You can choose to believe them or not and the rest of the audience can, too. But, to be honest, I think you're running around in circles a little bit because I bet you I did a $500 bet with you and you said we would have to get a military intelligence expert to come in and and tell us that the the video was fake and I told you we wouldn't have to do that. All we have to do is get somebody in as a pho- photographer, you know, a photography forensic expert who've already looked at the photos and said that they're real and they can tell us whether they are higher quality compared to your video which would mean that it clearly they snapped the assets from the higher quality image and used it to make a lower quality you can't snap the assets from a lower quality video and then put them out to fake everybody out afterwards. >> one's making that argument. You're beating a straw man that nobody's arguing here and this is the problem is that when you make assumptions it leads you to wrong conclusions. Like earlier for example, you said I blocked you in your replies. That's not even a thing you can do. You were making assumptions in your head and it led you to reach conclusions that were not true. I didn't block you or anything like that. You're doing the same thing here. You've made up a an argument in your head that this is impossible because there's no possible way to upscale an image. That's not possible. First of all, it is possible and AI can do it. >> They're not upscaled. They've been checked out. Second of all, I'm not even making that argument. I'm saying they used the original source which is super high quality, definitely higher quality than any commercial garbage. So there's no argument to be made that it's impossible because they didn't have higher quality footage. Well, you're trying to tell CIA used the original footage because what I'm arguing happened, they saw the footage leaked and they realized, "Oh, we need to have a plausible way to deny this in the future if this ever comes out." Nobody's paying attention right now in 2014, but somebody might realize in the future this footage is real and so we need to have a way to to make this go away. And what they used was that exact person who found that that exact link and that guy with that fake account they used that exact person to find the images. There's no [ __ ] way anybody saw that and found those images randomly. Impossible, literally impossible. They used that guy to pretend to find those images and say, "Hey, look. Here are these images that are out here. This shows that this stuff is fake." But, here's the problem. Since the videos are real, you're always going to be able to find something that shows it doesn't hold up. And yes, I'm going to be honest. They did a really good [ __ ] job. When this first came out, I was spooked as [ __ ] [ __ ] I saw that and I went, "I'm not playing around with little boys anymore." Like I saw that >> again? What about the little boys? They're going to call me I'm not playing around with the with the Can we clip that, boys? Can we clip that one? Everybody clip that one, all right? >> one, guys. Give me >> Supports Epstein, thinks he did nothing wrong. You know, Epstein did nothing wrong. He's not going to play with the little boys anymore. Think You tell me this. W- If those videos were real, what would the CIA do to cover them up, to hide them? Would they kill somebody? Would they you know, kill the leaker? Would they try to d- delete them from the internet? I think the extremely plausible thing to do would be to leak photos from the Gorgon Stare and put them into an existing set. I don't like to assume that people are all lying. To answer what you were saying before, I don't necessarily think the website owner is lying. I don't think necessarily Jonas De Roe is lying either. There's a story that makes sense where those people aren't lying either, where these photos were just inserted onto their hard drive, onto their database. Maybe they knew, maybe they didn't know. And that happened, and the only people that can pull that off are the same people that pulled off the thing with the plane. The CIA. That's my argument with respect to that. That's why I like your That's why I like your story, man. Like, here's the thing, you're not going to find find like a friend of the CIA in me. In fact, I would you know, if you can continue uh you know, exposing things with the CIA and you know, honestly, I think you should probably shift off of the MH6 the MH370 thing. >> Justin Hand, I don't need your uh ass input in terms of what you think I should do. Keep going. Do you have any other arguments you want to make related to the cloud debunk? Um yeah, I I do. I think that that's not really a I think there's a lot of assumptions baked baked into what you said there. And yes, earlier um my account I was not able to reply and then I thought you blocked me, which then it annoyed me because a bunch of people told me that you were going to back out of the debate, which I appreciate that you didn't. I respect you for that. So, I was wrong about that. And yeah, I can be wrong and you can be wrong, too, like you are about the MH370 video, uh which is compiled from these these videos, which include Mount Fuji uh in them. So, it's not it's not a Gorgon stare video. Like these these are these are not compiled. Like you're trying to tell us that like like when you get a picture of the Earth from from space, that they are taking a bunch of images from everywhere and then they're re-compiling them into a composite video, right? Which actually would probably show more artifacts and problems than what you're talking about cuz if you look on like Google Earth and like the pictures of all of these like um composite videos, the flat-Earthers, they use it. Like that's that's what they do. The same thing. This is the Mount Fuji picture from the set from both sets. There are >> no, there's multiple. There's There's four Mount Mount Fuji video. There's There's two of them that they believe were were used to make your clouds. >> in the MH370 videos. I checked. None of them are there. Neither of them do. That's a fact. So, it's a little bit dishonest when you get I never said that Mount Fuji's in the in the actual picture there. I'm showing you clouds that are in the right now, okay? Let me pull it up. >> Those are clouds. No, those are clouds that are in your photo. This is you. And we're going to go through your whole argument. I want to make sure we get through it. >> You get through that and then I'll jump back in. So, where Here it is, right here. Now, you have This is you zooming in on Mount Fuji on the Mount Fuji photo, right here. That's you. Yeah, I'm showing you that Mount Fuji is in the photo that they used some of the clouds in. So is not in any anywhere in MH370 videos. No, it's not. No, the clouds in this photo are in any of the MH370 videos, either. Yes, they are. No, they aren't. They are not. They are factually not. You are factually wrong on that, sir. Here it is. >> Wait, go to that video. Go to the montage video. Go to the actual video. Go to that Reddit. >> one, and I'm going to show you specifically why you're wrong on this exact point. And I'm going to show you, and I'm going to tell you what your argument is since since you don't seem to know what it is. So, here you go. First point. There are absolutely zero clouds in this photo that are in the MH370 videos. The The debunkers have straight-up lied and deceived from the very beginning. It was orchestrated and planned from the very beginning to deceive us into thinking that this is in Japan. So, the crazy part about this These are not Japan. >> we can't No one can pay make any sense of what these guys have been trying to argue. So, I went ahead and did today. I said, "Okay, I'm going to dig through this. I'm going to try to understand what the hell these guys' arguments are trying to make." And it basically boils down to this photo right here. Basically, it boils down to this photo. This is the five photos from the textures.com website. This is all five photos. No additional photos. Just those five photos. On the top, the very top one is the Fuji photo. Now, first thing I want to ask you is you just told me a computer couldn't stitch together the photos and do that [ __ ] that I'm claiming. You're telling me a human did. No, I I think we can stitch those the photos together. I don't think you can unstitch the video into high-quality photos, which is obvious. You can't take a cake and make it back into the the um >> Wami works, dude. That's literally how Gorgon Stare works. It's not taking the video and >> real, and they're not Gorgon Stare. They're out of a They're out of a foreign window. are Gorgon Stare. These photos are fake. These photos are from the Gorgon Stare footage and they're inserted >> the Gorgon Stare footage. Fuji onto one of them, but the point being this. The Fuji is fake. >> look in the middle. I want you to look in the middle of this. The middle of this is the unwrapped Gorgon Stare video. You can see the plane right in the middle wrapping down and around. That's That's the real video. That's the original video. Everything else on the screen is photos from the the from the archive from taxiers.com. Yes. The top photo at no point crosses into the videos. Even at the the lowest bar right about where my finger is here where the red line is, it at no point crosses into the videos. I'm hearing a lot of silence. Any I'm hearing a lot of crickets here. What this means factually is that this photo has no relevance to the videos whatsoever. No part of it was used in the videos assuming that somebody made these videos which nobody did cuz they're real. Can you go into the Reddit uh thread on this and uh click on the video that overlays a part of one of those with the actual thing and then I actually shared one um that was related to the video that that ended in 44. >> I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm >> So, can we now agree that the top photo Mount Fuji, there is no clouds from this photo that are in the MH370 video? Based on this graphic which is your source graphic that you are telling me is your source. And this is why it's deceptive. Because if you don't actually look and think for yourself ever, you can be deceived by these people very easily. But if you start to think for yourself and you look at it and go, "Wait a minute. This isn't You're telling me that's not even in the video at all? But you did it in a way that deceives me and makes it look like they used all this [ __ ] in the video when they didn't?" And here's the main point I'm going to show you right now. This is my most important point. Now you'd say, "Ashton, okay, but look at that big box. The giant one, the one that's got purple writing on the right here. That basically the whole plane goes through that entire photo. Right? What would Let me pull it up and see which one it is. I just It's kind of small on my screen. IMG_1842. IMG_1842 is got to be the big one, right? Because if you look at that, the plane's flying through basically that whole photo. It's not necessarily using the whole photo. Uh some of the assets are flipped and some of them are are just taken like a single cloud. >> I've got it right now. I'm going to pull it up. 1842, here it is. I'm going to flip it. One second. Let me share it. I'm not necessarily saying that one in particular. Like I'd have to look it up, but um Don't worry about it. I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to get you. This isn't a discussion. Like they're not all They're not They're not all put in the same format. Even if you look at uh some of the ones online, like even some of the assets that they would sell, they were flipped um on the original like textures.com and stuff, too. Like you can buy a flipped version. You can change colors. >> Now, this [snorts] is the photo that I was just sharing. Now I looked at this and I compared it. So you can see my mouse on the screen right here, right? I think this will work. So the plane basically comes and flies and follows my mouse path. And it curves over here and it comes through comes over these clouds, gets to this point. This is about where the plane the orbs go vertical right here. And then it disappears right about where my my cursor is right now. And then the person moves the screen to the right. You know what the problem is? I'm asking you. Do you have any idea what the problem is? Uh one of the problems is the fact that I I believe it's the one that ends in 44 uh was overlaid. You can actually see the cloud and uh funny enough, it actually kind of looks like it has balls on it, but they used like the other end of it that's like, you know, the pointy end. So, I actually circled that one in there, too. So, like some of these like yeah, they used some of the base videos and some of those clouds, but like some of the other clouds will be put on them, too. So, like it is a good video, like no doubt, but some of the of the clouds are in these videos and like I'd like to I'm going to listen and hear you out for sure. >> Somebody Oh, you think somebody stitched together just stitched these together and then they they drew the plane going through it. That's pretty much your main argument here, right? I mean, that was I just showed you the stitched together thing, right? It all It actually I'll admit this, guys. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I'm not trying to be dishonest. I'm really actually trying to be honest about this. People think I'm not, but I looked through all those images and they do come together. The clouds match in multiple I mean, there's they overlap. And you can see clouds do overlap in multiple images. So, what your main argument I think you're trying to make is this is you're saying all of these clouds mesh up. So, they mesh up in a way that makes them one unified picture and that unified picture includes Jonas Japan or includes Mount Fuji on the top. And in other parts of that unified picture, there are clouds in it that match and I have never disagreed. I've looked at those clouds and I said, "Yeah, those clouds match." Even if you have to invert them, stretch them, or whatever. I'm not trying to be nitpicky here. I'm saying they do match. This means they had to have come from the source. And I'm saying they took literally photos that they had used making that video, which is Gorgon Sare Wamy, and either just released them directly as is or slightly edited them. And they had ones without the plane in them. Why? Because the thing's taken photos all the time. There's only certain frames that have the plane in it. A lot of the frames don't have plane in it. So, it was very easy to make them. And that's not even invoking using AI. They could have also used AI to upscale them, upbrush them, make the whole collage. They could have even had the AI take existing Jonas photos and mesh them together. We know all of this is trivial functionality now. In 2014, it would have seemed like magic. Yeah, but the whole the whole point is that they were on and I I believe that they were on the the other website when it was a different website and a different name. Um I don't even know if they they had them up and then took them down at some point and then actually just put them up again. But I'm just telling you like from that business leader, like I really don't think I would go all these CIA directions because I really do believe that there is secret technology that they have. Um but this one in particular, I think it's just an absolute dud to be completely honest. Like yes, I believe Whatever you want to say. I'm not trying to take you to I'm just doing Hey, let Hear me out. Hear me out. I I do believe that this was a collage of those types of of photos where they took them from an asset site um where they used it and and that's why we were able to find that. And I I believe that the actual these Well, well, hang on. Hang on. And the explosion itself the explosion itself also relates to an explosion that looks exactly the same. And I know you say everybody's butt hole's the same, but you know, I've seen few butt holes, man, and and there's some different butt holes out there, man. We'll clip that later, too. But no, we'll look at the we'll look at the Corridor Crew thing after this, but I want to There's one last major point I want to make on this here. Because when I look through it, everything is stitched together extremely well. Except for when you look at that collage, the actual video mainly goes through just this photo. The rest of them kind of just connect to this photo for the most part. This is the main one. And there's no other photos. I looked through your set, the core set of photos. There's no more. That this is the There's no more photos that matches other than maybe that other Fuji one which I saw in there. There is another Mount Fuji one. But there's no photos that have more like clouds from the MH370 videos in them, let's say. You know they they probably actually used other assets too. Like I mean these are just, you know, ones that we found that definitely relate to the video. But I You know I'm just saying, man. Just one second. I want you to look in the bottom right. I want you to look in the bottom right of this. >> [snorts] >> Because I'm going to play the MH370 video for you. In fact, yeah, here we go. And you can watch. Now get I hope memorize this image in your head. Remember, I told you the plane is going to come fly down like this. It's going to curve to the right here and it's going to go through right like this. So you can imagine it now, right? Now we can see it in our head. We were looking at that giant collage. We can imagine that somebody for some reason has zoomed in on a part of a giant collage that they created. And somehow for some reason they're they're scrolling the screen around. They they made it so that the coordinates only change for some reason. There's a a real satellite designation down there. Don't ask why that's there. Don't ask why there's coordinates. Oh, those coordinates are the Nicobar Islands, not Japan, by the way. Why did they put coordinates of the Nicobar Islands in their Japan collage? It's not a Japan collage. They were trying to probably fake the MH370 like thing when >> me earlier there's no reason to believe this is MH370. Yeah, I don't really think there's any I mean even if you had Let's say you had like you could have a CIA test video of an empty plane. Wouldn't Wouldn't a CIA Well, hang on. Wouldn't Wouldn't a CIA test of an empty plane make a lot more sense? Or like was there somebody on the plane that they wanted to kill? Or did they think it was going to be a successful teleportation? Or like So you don't really have the answers on these things. It's all just this thing. Wait, hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. I'm just What I'm saying is What I'm saying is Ashton, that everybody has been speculating off of a lack of information and this video definitely fills the void. I think it it definitely hits a lot of people. I see you guys have your little emotional appeal right at the beginning about the families and how you're like, "Hey, you know, you know, it's a good sentiment." You know, even if they just crashed into the ocean, it's a great sentiment. But, uh from a personal standpoint, I do stand by what I'm saying about this one. Um yeah, I I believe that this video >> it. Let me just ask you one question. So, you see this plane on the screen right now. You see these clouds over here on the right, right? Yeah. Where are the clouds in the photo? Should be right down here. Should be right here. Should be clouds right here. You got to find the one that looks kind of like it has some balls growing out of it. >> back on it again. Let's go Let's even Let's let it keep going. Turns out that's not even the end. There's actually >> right over the middle of like another one. There's more beyond that, too. It even scrolls to the right and shows there's even more clouds. Yeah, you can see those boys. You know what I'm talking about. Everybody sees it. Yeah, they should be right here, actually, in this image. There's no clouds there at all. So, there's no clouds anywhere over there. Now, I want to go back to your collage to kind of close out my point on this cuz the collage is >> hear anything. You can't hear? Okay, I'm sorry, you can't I didn't I didn't disconnect you, by the way. You're still there. We're still talking here. Um Uh I'll I'll pull you back up just in case. Okay. On your collage over here, if you look in the bottom right corner, you'll actually see there's no more photos to explain the rest of the clouds. This is actually complete. This is it. This is all the photos. Now, what I've seen cuz I want to be 100% honest is I've seen people claim that one of these clouds somewhere else one of these clouds somewhere else I'm going to mute you for a second cuz I think you're a disconnected. One of these clouds somewhere else can be morphed and then moved down there into the bottom right. And I would just ask you, what? So, the vast majority, if you look where that plane is flying through, the almost all of it's flying through that one image right there. That one image is missing the basically the vast majority of its entire scene is missing from the cloud? That seems pretty weird. What I would really like to know from that perspective is how would someone go through all this effort? They would use these clouds, make this this huge collage, 90% of it they're not using, they're not even using the photo on the left, they're not using the photo on the top. There's only three photos are actually even part of this collage. And then they're missing huge portions of the the clouds right where the plane is actually getting zapped. They're not even there. I got a good explanation for that, I think. Actually, um you know, from a personal standpoint, I I probably think this is somebody's project, and it could be a project for like even a show. We might find out one day that this was actually produced for like a show or a movie and and unused or or something similar to that. I think that's far more I think that's far more likely. Far far more likely. It's a great piece. It's a great >> to mute you here. So, that was something that somebody lied about. His name was uh Joe Lancaster. Joe Lancaster, for over a year, almost a year and a half, pretended to have made the videos, said that he did it for a TV show, for a pilot project. You aren't That's not your original thought, by the way. You just co-opted that from something you read on Reddit and pretended like you had thought about it. No, I didn't. I thought of that on my own. So, it turned out that guy was a liar, and he was exposed actually by the textures.com, the same textures.com. They released the DMs that showed that he was begging them to fabricate evidence to make it look like he had made the videos because he was a psychopath, and he wanted to do so. Now, I present to we had a $150,000 bounty. When those files were found, we had a $150,000 bounty. Do you think that a $150,000 bounty could have incentivized people to fabricate evidence? Yeah, because you won't take me up on my 500 Sorry. >> You won't take me up You won't take me up on the I basically said, "Hey, let's take this to a forensic expert and ask them Yeah, like what Take him to a forensic expert. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. Uh Here we go. Could you elaborate on what's Oh, the the Gorgon Gorgon stare that Ashton Forbes has spoken about both on social media and here on the show. I haven't had Ashton on here in a while, but the last time I did have him on, he spoke about that program Gorgon stare and basically wanting to know, can you tell us a little bit more about what that is and why would be so secret? So, this is Steven Greer. He's a podcaster, he does UFO stuff. He's talked to a lot of prestigious people, congressmen, etc. This is a guy named Anthony Williams who he vetted, he's using a pseudonym that is in the intelligence community and he did a two-part podcast where he talks about UFOs and what's really going on the inside. Nobody knows who this guy really is. I spoke to Steven Greer. I said, "Is this guy legit? Did you vet him?" He says, "Yes, I vetted him behind the scenes. He can't reveal his information, but he vetted him behind the scenes." So, just to set that up. So, if anyone wants to claim that this is [ __ ] or whatever, well, go ahead and you know, attack Steven Greer. Yeah, I think >> Bring Steven in. Let's see what he has to say. You know, if Steven wants to face me and my 250 followers I think we're really in your wheelhouse. I figure you would know about it, but I figured you probably can't talk too much about Gorgon stare, but I mean, can you say anything? No. >> [laughter] >> Let's see the explosion. Fair enough. But, it is real. It does exist. Yeah, I would I would say that Ashton's very good at his research. Okay. All right. I guess we will leave it at that for the Gordon Steer question. So, do you think What do you think that guy Do you think that guy was just what? Winding him up? Bullshitting? Cuz the impression the implication there is that I'm right about it and he can't say anything because it's classified footage and no one's allowed to talk about. And the reason why that would be important to me is that I have been blasting people on social media, including people like Ryan Graves who's in the Air Force. And Gordon Steer's Air Force surveillance. And none of these people will even comment on the videos. They're not allowed to. >> comment. They're not allowed to comment on any any Air Force. So, like, you know, and I can understand >> it, though, right? They are allowed to comment on it, though, right? Though, right? >> It gives you the air of possibility that they're like giving They're giving you a GLOMAR response. You know what You know what a GLOMAR response is, right? I'm under no obligation to give me a GLOMAR response. Ryan Graves is not the CIA. Jeremy Corbell is not the CIA. They do I believe they do. Somebody could fact-check me on that. I could be wrong, but I'm I'm pretty sure related aerospace A lot of the Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, 1 second. Let me finish the thought so I don't forget it. Um what I'm what I'm saying is that a lot of the footage that we can't get of these real UFOs comes from actual, you know, aviation vehicles from the United States military. And they I've heard them talk even about this recent like, you know, Trump release and stuff like that. It is really really hard to get that stuff unclassified and released and shown to the public. Like, people just don't want to do it, right? And it's because of this, you know, arbitrary really horrible, you know, really bad process that we have for withholding information from the public, which is where I agree with you and I think you should keep going and keep drilling down. But this video in particular I I of just hold the same position on. Okay, I'm not trying to convince you here. So, let's just keep sticking to the facts here. Uh so, I've given you that's my expert. That's my expert that says that I want you you go ahead and find whichever one you want. You want to do the $500 bet? I'm down. But I did send you some some analysis. If you can find somebody that can prove those videos are fake from a forensic standpoint, I would love it. I don't know why do you think that hasn't happened? It's been like 3 years. If we can prove the pictures are real, it's even better because if you can prove are real. Because those are not pictures from like those pictures are not from your your device. Like you're trying to say like I've heard you talk about it before. You say that this is a conglomeration of you know pictures taken from this device and that it was taken at night, right? In these pictures. So, like if if they actually match, then somebody would have had to like you know re-release them and like turn them into daytime videos and it's daytime pictures, you know. So, it's kind of a a bit of a a wild scenario where it's like you know half of the stuff that the people believe ends up kind of I'm saying like those pictures were clearly taken during daytime. The photos? Yeah, the ones of the clouds. Yeah, like >> People thought the video was daytime. What do you mean? People were literally telling me for the longest time they thought the video was daytime. So, I don't know why you're saying that that's somehow makes it No, and by the way, the most >> are real, the video is fake. There's no doubt about that. There are only two ways to debunk the videos from a logical factual argument. Anybody can plant photos anywhere. Anybody can say that they got photos from somebody from some guy. That's why we don't believe people. That's why we go to actual facts and evidence. Anybody can say anything. I can say anything. And that's why you shouldn't believe me at all, either. Um Cuz I I definitely don't and people should you know take what I say with a grain of salt, too, cuz like I'm a guy with a degree. I'm in my 30s. I'm like a you know Midwestern dude. I'm just a bro, you know, like I said, um I'm not some science [ __ ] or or whatever. You know, I've taken a lot of science classes. I probably got as many physics classes under my belt as Ashan Forbes does, but you know, it's just like one of those things where it's like, you know, I like where you're going with it. Um theoretical physics is cool. I do believe they have secret stuff. I just uh don't believe they teleport killed a Malaysian flight with uh orbs that reminisce of a uh Einstein-Rosen Bridge that's man-made. I just don't believe that. Yeah, I know, it's impossible to believe. I totally get it. I mean, that's the biggest challenge I have is trying to convince people of something that's just completely impossible in their minds. I mean, that's what holds people back, but that's why it's so beautiful and that's why I think it's the truth. That's why I am almost certain that it's the real truth of the UFO phenomenon. Everybody wants it to be some Disney Marvel [ __ ] but it's not. It's going to be some dark ass [ __ ] It's going to be that Mystery So Unsolved videos. Dude, it's cool it could be really cool. Like It could be all us. You think it's cool that they're lying to you and they've got free energy and teleportation technology? Let me ask you this. While I'm thinking of my next Let's go. is I mean, how are you going to act and respond if those videos are real? If that technology is real and that's been hidden, that means free energy and teleportation. That means your entire life has been a lie. That means everything's been managed since the day you were born. So, what's your response if that's true? In a way, I do feel like that's kind of what the American empire has done and I kind of agree with you in that sense that we probably do have things like you really look at the average gas mileage. That hasn't really changed much over time and that seems like a a thing to protect the companies, right? So, if you think about how the United States works, we kind of control the world through our money system and then we control it through the oil system, right? Um so, this is a whole thing of control that could be totally disrupted by a technology that you're talking about or even mass EVs or or mass, you know, solar panels and things like that. All of that cuts through our sanctions and our control of the world and the control of the US citizens. I'm 100% on board with you with that. And and that's why I would say from that standpoint, like you definitely have a point. Just I don't think the Malaysian flight was teleport killed by us with a Ryan Einstein Rosen Bridge, right? That's all. It was, but the point being this. Let me ask you this. There are I want and I want this to be clear to the the debunkers that are watching this because like I said earlier, anybody can say that these photos existed that with no evidence whatsoever that corroborates them even though we live in the internet age and there's no deleting anything on the internet and everything's archived on the Wayback Machine. And these photos cuz the way you could prove it beyond any doubt that I could never deny would be that if you've got those photos with the clouds in them. One of those three photos with the clouds in them on the internet before 2014. It would be undeniable. How could you deny that? I mean, I know how time works. I looked at the cloud photos and like there's no denying the clouds match. You found one from 2013, right? >> exist anywhere. So that means the only people who could have made those videos is Jonas De Roe or the website owner. There's nowhere else to look. Have you ever gone Have you ever gone to the previous website they had on Wayback Machine like when they had the previous website? >> showed you earlier was the previous website Wayback Machine. They did archive the first photo in the set. The downloaded set that you sent me. In 2013, right? In 2013, these photos aren't there. How are they missing? Kind of supports my point. Somehow magically the evidence that should exist, that should be there, that would absolutely prove me wrong and you right isn't there. I I do think that it could be I do think that it could be just as as simple as the fact that they had the like when you have images and you buy them, you don't upload them immediately. Like so a lot of times what people would probably do is hold those assets and and re-up and upload them when they're ready to. So, they can't just be on some guy's hard drive somewhere. They have to be on the internet where some random person you said you don't >> Yeah, for you, yeah, but I I think I just think I'm what I'm weren't on the internet, there's only two possible people in the entire world that could have faked the videos. Jonah Rowe and the website owner of of TechCrunch. >> think anybody faked the videos. What I think happened, Ashton, is that you have a higher quality version of those photos that is not upload uploaded to that site. So, if you go to that site right now and you download that photo, it's not going to be as high quality as the one that you got from that Google Drive that I sent you, which actually came from the guy who said that he took it. So, they could be faked, but it would be a little weird if they were faked if if the actual, you know, videos on the drive are higher quality than the one that you you sell on your asset site, which is what happened here. So, I what I believe is that clearly the asset that was lower quality was used to create the video, and then that's why we have a source picture, multiple pictures, that are actually real pictures, high quality, and more high quality than any of your videos or your pictures, but show the same clouds. Okay. Well, I understand your argument is something about not being able to upscale things for the most part. And again, that's not my point. Never made that argument. My point >> think they're upscaled. I think you can prove from a forensic angle that they were not upscaled. which does not have to be upscaled to be uploaded onto the internet. It's much higher quality than anything that's commercially available. They used that footage to put that on the internet. They did not use the videos. So, I don't Nobody's arguing that. So, the only way I think everybody will understand what I said there. So, I'll leave it at that. I trust that they don't. And the comments are saying we shouldn't waste any more time with you, but I'm going to keep going. They're saying there's only two ways to I want to be honest, there's only two ways to prove the videos are fake. Number one, find the hoaxer. Saying you don't know is not good enough. I just told you you can narrow it down to two people with one assumption. If you assume that those were not found from that website, then you can narrow it down to two people. You aren't even trying to question those two people. That's your problem. That's for you to figure out. I don't care what you want to believe about those videos. I'm telling you how to prove me wrong. I'm telling you right now how you can prove me wrong today, right now. Or if we find Malaysia Airlines at the bottom of the ocean, right? That's the other one, right? >> You can Of course. Of course What is that Why is that funny? Uh because I I think it's probably going to happen one day. I think they found a lot of pieces. I think they they found several pieces of it that were proved to be from it. But obviously, from your perspective, they could have been ripped off during the teleportation. Because like that's a violent teleportation, so you know, maybe ripped off a few devices could have ripped off a few pieces, so that's why we haven't found the plane, but we found multiple pieces of the plane. Where Who do you think found that? Do you think the the one of the searches found that? Where do you think they found >> They found They found metal. They did find metal. They didn't find a black box. They didn't find any bodies. They didn't find the core of the plane. You're right. But they found stuff that that they did find stuff that had a serial numbers that were from that plane. I remember reading that. >> thing at the time here. It's easy to get distracted. The search zone where they used Inmarsat satellite pings is down here in this yellow bar on the on the side where it says 120,000 square kilometers. It's actually much more than that cuz they searched like two more times. The The search down there all the searches combined every single search never found anything. Not one piece. Not one piece, not one body, not one piece of luggage, not one flotation device, nothing. Boeing 777 is the size of a city block. It's one of the biggest planes in the fleet. It has 3 million parts and over 1,000 lb of floatable inflation devices on it. There was never a debris field found. I don't know how you can even rationalize that, but look at where this debris was found. Look at where all the debris was you got. Now, who found this? It wasn't the search. Most of it was a guy named Blaine Gibson. Random guy that was searching in Africa. Do you know why it was a a random guy and not the official search? Cuz no one was [ __ ] looking in Africa, dude. No one was looking in Africa. No one was thinking that any debris was going to show up in Africa. I suggest you guys might not be looking at the place where the plane is. I think that's why they haven't found it, too, is where they haven't looked where the where the plane is. Yeah, it's usually a problem. If you don't look where the plane is, you're not going to find it. Yeah, I'm getting a little bit a little bit annoying with that, but like in a way like, you know, it's true. But look, in the bottom right, you see where the currents flow? They flow to the east. Everyone was expecting the debris to show up in Australia. Yet zero did. Not even a one piece. They found none. They were looking there. People are scouring the coast waiting for MH370's debris to show up. Not one ever showed up. So, here you go. You want to know? I think the plane is in the water. Everyone asked me where I think it is. They teleported it west. They didn't teleport it to Andromeda or alternate galaxy or dimension. >> That's what I was going to ask. Where did they teleport it? See that final radar contact? You can actually use electrical engineering, just torque from the orbs spinning around the plane, and realize this must be going backwards and that plane's flying to the east. Because you're so busy thinking about VFX and cloud photos, you're not looking at the evidence. You're not looking at what we're looking at. We're looking at CIA footage of a wide area motion imagery capability connecting to a satellite. It's got coordinates in there. We can map that out and figure out how that plane is moving in real 3D space. So, we know it's flying to the east in those videos right before that zap. And if the orbs are spinning counterclockwise, if we're looking at it from behind, that means it's going backwards if we assume there's some magical hyperdimension. Well, that means it's going west. And look at that, all that debris shows up in Africa. So, if this plane is being teleported to the west, it would show up somewhere near India or past India near Africa or maybe the Maldives. Oh, turns out, did you know a bunch of islanders saw the plane in the Maldives? And it was a few hours after that teleportation. And they were all just dismissed cuz everyone said, "No, no, it was in the South Indian Ocean. They can't possibly have seen it." But wait, if it was teleported over that way, then they could have seen it. In fact, I asked AI to try to map out the air speed of the plane and direction of travel. And if it was flying low, flying slow to avoid radar, then actually it would make sense that it teleported over the west over the ocean somewhere and then looped around, flies south over the Maldives and goes maybe near Diego Garcia or maybe they just crash in the ocean somewhere there. I mean, people are right, the ocean is big. It could be in a lot of different places. Maybe we should, you know, look at the evidence like the map of where the debris showed up and be like, "Oh, that doesn't make any sense for our search area." But a better search area is Diego Garcia. In fact, if that debris floated from Diego Garcia, it's like a very, very good match in my opinion. So, my question to you, point to me on this map where you think the plane went down. Everyone says, "Well, I don't The plane could It's a big ocean." Okay, where do you think it went down then? I will I'll be completely honest with you, Ashton, and you know, I'll probably just say that like this is probably outside my expertise, the the teleportation or like even where the plane might have landed. Like that's definitely not something that's in my wheelhouse to even be able to like do. And I I think that last part, that's fun, dude. I love it. >> You know why I'm asking though? I I understand and and I'll I'll leave it at this. I'll leave it at this, Ashton, cuz I think this has been this has been a good conversation and I have a I got a woman and some dogs that I got to pay some attention to, to be completely honest. Um but um and I think it's been a good hour, but uh in a in a way uh what I would say is that if we are withholding this sort of like, you know, zero-point energy or cold fusion or um you know, gravitational, you know, stuff or or even, you know, hypersonic weapons that are that are different than what we have now, like these are all things that could radically change society. Like from the elite's perspective, which I don't like, they're probably like, "Wow, if we tell them this, this is going to disrupt all of society." But really they want control. They really do. You know what I mean? So it really is to maintain control in in the end and uh that's where I would say, you know, keep fighting the good fight um and, you know, otherwise, you know, th- thanks for the conversation. No, yeah, it's good. And I thank you for having as well. And I I don't want anyone to you know, rip on you or what have you. I think you represent the majority opinion of people that it's out there. But I think you also represent, not to be too rude, what's wrong with people. Is that you're saying that >> you one question before I go. things. I believe the CIA can do these conspiracies, but I'm not going to believe two perfectly in sync videos. We didn't even get time for me to go in to explain, how do you turn a two-dimensional cloud photo into two in sync videos from completely different perspectives, where I can show the clouds match? Where you can see the drone, you can see the clouds in the background, and see the whammy footage above, and see the clouds match. This is actually the biggest problem with the entire theory that someone just made a 2D collage. It doesn't work. You can't do that to make If there was only one video, that would be a plausible explanation. But there's two videos and they're in perfect sync with orbs spinning around them. That completely destroys the 2D cloud photo argument on its face. Let me suggest one thing >> either. Go ahead. Let me suggest one thing before I go. And and this is that, you know, I'm very interested in your four orbs theory that like obviously represents your last name. And I told you that my name is check five orbs factoring, and I'm going to explain that real quick, right? So, your four orbs theory is that the spinning orbs are like a toroidal thing that then rips towards the fourth orb, which you would assume is like west of that that original one, right? I suggest there is a fifth orb, and that is the orb of confusion, Ashton. And the uh the orb of confusion is in uh a great effect in this one. And uh sometimes you have to unravel the mystery of the orb of confusion before you can figure out the next step. And that's the fifth orb. The last point I wanted to make on why I was asking you about the search location is an important one cuz I want other people that I might debate in the future to understand this is that I'm asking if you think the plane went down in that search area because the only reason why we're searching down there are the Inmarsat satellite pings. And if you say that those that search area is wrong, and that plane is anywhere else, anywhere else in the ocean in the entire world, it means those Inmarsat pings were fake or misinterpreted, just wrong for sure. And if you take those pings away, and you leave everything else there, MH370's in the Nicobar Islands being recorded by two videos 15 minutes after its last radar plot if it just flies directly straight. To me, that's undeniable more than some guy found some cloud photos on the internet and claims that a missing plane is that's all fake and debunked. And so, what I would ask people is think critically. The cloud of confusion is one that you put over yourself. >> No, it's an orb. >> use your mind to think. >> So, that's my last point. Anyway, thank you a lot for your time, man. I appreciate Um and I want to thank >> You have a good one, man. you in general. Have a great night, buddy. Appreciate you. Good luck with the fifth orb. >> [snorts] >> Okay, guys. So, that was interesting. I'm glad I think I got through all the key points that I wanted to discuss related to cloud photos. Truth is, I think the cloud photo debunk is clearly the most prominent and powerful debunk. Because the reality is those cloud photo those clouds match in like three of those photos. And that main one I showed you, the clouds all the way along definitely match. There's no doubt about it. So, you have to ask yourself, how did those get on the internet? And if they are if somebody faked the videos if the videos are fake in any way or shape or form, that's the most important evidence right there. They basically had to have used those photos to make the videos. Now, the question is why do people not then begin to ask any more questions beyond that? They just go, "Okay." They go, "No, I'm good." "That's all I needed. I just needed to see some cloud photos." I'm like, "Do you need to know when they were uploaded on the internet or like who bought them or like how it's possible to make two three a two a full 3D scene using cloud photos 2D cloud photos?" Nope, don't need to explain any of that. Do you have to explain who made the videos even though like we have the guy that supposedly took the photos, we have the only place on the internet the photos ever existed? Nope. Don't have to ask any of those questions. Mine just completely get shut off. But, the reality is it's still good debunk. I have to be honest. Now, we didn't get to talk about the other debunk, but I want to bring it up real quick. I was going to pull up the whole Cordell Crew video. I think I might pull it up. Because it it would would not be complete if we go over all the debunks. All right. Here we go. So this is the MH370 video of course and that is overlaid over the Pyromania shockwave effect that people have been claiming shows that that that you know they can't debunk this video cuz this this video is obviously real. So instead what they do is they attacked the zap. Because the zap's just a black mass so it's pretty easy to you know claim that this black mass is fake. They tried to claim first there was a supernova then they claimed it was an ink blot and then they found a video game effect and they said nope it's this video game effect. So here's the video game effect. So this is the video game. This is the one this is the only frame that's even close. Now when you actually go look at the debunks out there the redditors uh really basically anybody you will never see this image I'm showing you right here. Never. Why? Because it shows you they don't match. Right in the front right in the middle right front and center you can see the middle doesn't match. It's not even close. I mean they're both like blobs but they don't match the edges don't match and nothing of the middle even is even close to matching. And when you start to look on the edges with the color with the color comparison you can see the edges actually don't match either. You can see they just took two round shapes that were similar and they just said this is good enough. So somebody basically reverse image searched the entire internet and found an image that was kind of close close enough and just said it matches. And you say well Ashton it's pretty close right? So casa cow and I say okay well I'm going to hit play on the on the this is a gift this isn't a single image. That's just one frame. I'm going to play the rest of it out. I don't think it matches, guys. It's crazy how you literally only have to play like one more frame and the whole illusion falls apart. Like look at the next frame. You can even see the zap in the background in the next frame. And you can see it's like not even remotely the same. Like there's there's absolutely no way you can edit this and make it the same. It's completely different. Like [clears throat] completely different. So, that's why I always thought that the VFX debunk was always just so stupid. You can even find me going back to the day it came out. I couldn't believe people were even falling for it. I looked at them like, "It's not the same. What are you talking about?" And people are like, "It's good enough." Even that guy who's just talking who goes, "The butt hole analogy." The butt hole analogy is actually a good analogy. Just because two things are similar doesn't mean they're the same. A lot of things look alike, especially graphics that are very common like effects that are very common in nature. Effects that are common in nature are going to be seen all the time. So, you know what? I want to show uh Corridor Crew debunk. What was their thing called? I think it's this one. Here it is. I think this is it. Yeah. And of course they call it What do they call it? "VFX artist debunk Flight MH370 alien abduction footage." When these guys posted this, I wasn't even saying aliens abducted the plane. When they posted this, I wasn't even saying aliens abducted the plane. Even then, I wasn't saying that. There's one quick part I want to go to when they do this stock effect thing. Here it is, right here. Yeah, rather we didn't. Some people on Reddit did. This is a stock footage clip from the 90s. Oh, hell yeah. There's a clip from the Wii. >> Okay, so they just showed you the exact same stock effect I just showed you. Now, look at what they're showing you right after that. video, and here is the stock That's the same comparison I just showed you where I showed you it's not even close. It's kind of similar on the edge, but that's it. stock footage. It's perfect. IT'S NOT PERFECT. IT'S not even close to a match. If you were just looking at the middle, you can just tell it's not a match. That's it right there. That's the middle I just showed you. It wasn't even remotely close. They literally just showed you something that didn't match and just said, "It's a perfect match." That's how stupid those losers are and anybody who listens to them. How [ __ ] do you have to be and brainless? I literally showed you the comparison. I'll show it to you again right now in real time. That's how crazy this is. There it is. That's the same exact comparison they just made. And you can clearly see it doesn't even match on the single frame that they're celebrating about. They didn't even show any more frames. What about this frame, bro? Is it still a perfect match, homie? The best part is this stock asset has seven frames in it. The actual videos app only has four. It doesn't even match. Here's the actual video, the actual zap. Compare it for yourself if you don't believe me. Take a look. One frame, two frames, three frames, four frames. That's it, and then nothing. There's only four frames. You're telling me they use a stock asset with seven frames for an effect with four frames, and not a single frame matches either other frame? That's your debunk? Well, what if I told you I can prove to you that the clouds match in both videos? What if I told you I can prove the clouds match in both videos for the people that think that they use cloud photos to make these videos? Oh, whoops, that's not the right one. Oh, well, that's a good one. That's not the one I want, though. The one I want is this one. Here. This shows the clouds are in sync. We had to mirror the bottom video because they're you're looking at it from two different sides of the plane. But if you look at this, you can see the first cloud coming into view right there. Look at that cloud right there. You can clearly see that cloud. And the reason why you're seeing that cloud is look at where the plane is. The drone is like right up here somewhere off the screen. It's looking diagonally at the plane. That's why you're seeing this giant cloud right here. So, you look at that and you go, "Wait, you're telling me that you think someone used cloud" which by the way, that cloud's the one that's missing in the photo. That big huge cloud in the top right, this is the one I pointed out earlier, the giant photo they say was used at Both these clouds, the cloud in the bottom right's missing, one on the top right's missing. There is Those clouds aren't in there. If they are, they transposed them from another photo. They didn't stitch them together like they were claiming. So, let's go back to this cuz I think they do something one more thing I want to show. So, here we go. Let's listen to a a seconds. IT'S PERFECT. CINDERELLA, BABY. CINDERELLA. That's it. That's my favorite right here. What the [ __ ] is this? What is What is this supposed to be? Is it What Exactly what am I looking at here? This is my favorite part of their comparison. Oh, it's perfect. Cinderella, baby. Cinderella. What What in the hell is that? That's not in the videos. That's not in the asset they used. What in the [ __ ] is this [ __ ] They literally just blackened both of them while they're over the top of each other so that you couldn't tell where the differences were anymore. That's literally what they did. Literally what they did was they took the two on top of each other and then they just blackened it so that you can't tell the blurred edges anymore that how they're different on the edges. And then they go, "Now it's a We blobbed them together into one thing. Well, great. That's not in the videos. What do you What is the [ __ ] is this? And you're getting mad at me for comparing you this to a butt hole? This is what that dude's butt hole looks like when he gets blown out by his co-host. >> [laughter] >> This is This is that's what your butt hole looks like, chat, right there. Wow. An unidentified stock asset. An unidentified stock asset. Some people have said, "You know, That's what it looks like. >> perfectly." And you know what? And then look at this. Look at this comparison they do here. This is my favorite. Don't look at the middle, chat. Just ignore the middle and look at the edges. Some people say it doesn't match cuz it doesn't. You know, the pixels don't match perfectly. And you know what? Of course they don't match perfectly. I don't have the exact settings that the artists used, but if you look at it, it's the exact same. [music] I can't Yeah, like I literally can't wear these glasses anymore. There's like nothing >> have the settings? There's no [ __ ] settings to change the middle, bro. It's not the same. It's not even remotely close. You I don't have the settings they used. You're telling me they used the stock asset. The whole point of a stock asset is they use a stock asset. And you don't have to change it. So, anyway, I was going to post there's an Anchorman clip out there where Anchorman's eyes explode. Uh Will Ferrell's eyes explode. And in it, it's the Pyromania VFX. That's a major motion picture, Anchorman. Did they blend it together or change the change the settings on it? No. They just took the stock effect and they put it in there and you can see the stock effect blow up in Will Smith's eye or in Will Ferrell's eyes. This argument that, "Oh, they shadowed it and and did some weird stuff to it, but we can't tell you what they did." That's not forensics. That's not even logic. That's just straight-up coping. That's just these guys literally just read on something on Reddit they didn't understand. And then they just made something up and made a stupid video get a million views. That's how the world works these guys these days, guys. Okay. One more thing I was going to bring up. I wasn't sure how strong an argument this was. I had a few other quick arguments prepared. Cuz I thought this I hadn't actually looked deep into this collage situation before, which I'm glad I was able to look into and find out you know, there's like huge clouds missing. And even if they come up with an explanation for them being I think there is an explanation that they were like in one of these other photos. Now, this whole process gets way more complicated. Like why are there clouds missing? Why wouldn't those clouds shouldn't that like why would you add a cloud there if there's no cloud in the original source photo? Wouldn't you just leave it there? There's no reason to add or not add a random cloud. Um one of the arguments I going to ask is what altitude do they think these photos were taken at? Because you can see MH370 and the altitude of the drone is probably roughly like 40 30,000 ft something like that 40,000 ft. But we know MH370 is at like only a few thousand feet. Which means these clouds and these are cumulus clouds. These are low altitude clouds. So the question is there's a big disparity between this airplane according to Jonas Terrell. We looked up his flight. He should have been landing. That's that's uh Mount Fuji. If that's Mount Fuji, he should be landing soon. This plane he's on should be relatively low. Especially if those clouds are only a few thousand feet above the ground. Now here's the problem I have. One problem I have. It's not a deal breaker, but it's a decent argument. When you're landing in your airplane in 2012 when these photos were taken supposedly allegedly you aren't allowed to use a digital camera. When you're landing, you have to have all your computer equipment all digital equipment must be put away. That includes digital cameras. I actually went back and checked the regulations. They only changed around 2017. 2017 or so everybody was had phones on their cameras and they changed the rules so they're much less strict about it. So you're telling me someone took five photos within some of these within seconds of one another. Other ones have 20 seconds apart. 20 seconds apart on a moving airplane moving hundreds of miles an hour and they still stitch together perfectly with no parallax? No parallax at all perfect stitching together? And potentially taken from an altitude where the person shouldn't even allowed to take photos. There's not a single smudge or dirt on this, but they were supposedly taken out of the window of an airplane, of a commercial airplane. Guys, have you ever seen a window of a commercial airplane that wasn't scratched up with dirt all over it that you could take 4K pictures out of? No, because this wasn't taken. The real photo the real videos were not taken from photos out of an airplane. They were taken from a real drone that's got super advanced sensors on it that don't have any smudges on them. So, point being there's no way somebody used this to make the videos. And I'm pretty sure I'd say 95% sure that the way these got on the internet was the CIA found some existing photos, found a scenario. These people are [ __ ] We know how devious these people are. Remember, the CIA can they can make a weapon as accurate as the hair on a gnat's eyelash. These people are devious as hell, man. They would have gone out there, found a plausible set of photos that they could merge this in with. They take these four five photos, however many they need. They merge them together, but they didn't even really merge them together. They put them in a completely separate directory. Aerial 0029 8. And then the other Japan Jonas photos are somewhere else entirely. But they set this whole thing up and they had it ready to go. And the scary part, what really scared me is not them being able to do this. This is actually easy. Making little collage or whatever this [ __ ] was and chopping it up, that's trivial, man. That's trivial. The part that scared me was that they did this in 2014. They did They didn't do this in 2023 when I exposed the videos. That's when they sprung the trap. The thing that shook me the most was that when the videos leaked, they set this up. They had this ready to go in case this situation were to happen. That's what spooked me. Cuz I got scared cuz then I said, "Oh, [ __ ] Are they going to kill me? They're going to kill me over this?" Cuz this made me realize this is a very sophisticated group that we're dealing with here. And it's definitely the CIA. They've got backdoors and all this. Doing this, planting these photos is easy work for them. Easy work. They probably do [ __ ] tougher than this on a daily basis, chat. Daily basis. And at the end of the day, this is what I'm telling you. For the other guy, for the debunkers, for everyone, you don't have to believe me. I don't care if you believe me or not. Makes no difference. I'm not even trying to convince you. I wasn't doing this debate to to convince that guy. That was not the objective. The objective was to show you this is how the evidence stacks up. This is how it stacks up against somebody that has come in fresh off the street, that's read Reddit, that's talked to Grok, and Grok told it, "No, these photos were definitely at the photographer said so." Well, where's the photographer? Where's Jonas De Roe? Cuz he's not speaking up. He's not saying he took those. Here's another plausible explanation. Jonas De Roe, when he was doing his debunk video, in the middle of that video, which is now deleted, he's staring at these photos, and he goes, "This looks weird. This doesn't look like the other ones." Go check. He did. He ended up deleting that that video later on, and he went dark, disappeared into the wilderness. I think Jonas De Roe remembered that he never took any photos when he was landing in Japan. I think he remembers maybe taking one photo of Mount Fuji. And that's it. And then he's sitting there going, "Oh, [ __ ] Maybe I didn't take these photos." And he panics. So, point being, where is Jonas De Roe? It Where is the website owner? How come he didn't tell us who bought the photos? So, we could He's the one telling us the photos existed on his website. Who bought them then? Who bought them between 2013 or 2012, whenever he uploaded them in 2014? The list can't be that long. Nobody wants to find who the The answer isn't they don't care who made the videos. They care somebody made the videos. The answer is they know nobody made the videos and they know they can't find them. So, they have to lie and say, "We don't It doesn't matter who made the videos." There are leads that they could be following to try to find the person who made the videos and they're not following them. So, that tells you what no matter what they tell you, they are not trying to find the guy that made the videos. Very important stuff. Um let's see. Before we go to the super chats, I see those super chats coming in, guys. Thank you very much. Um what was the last thing I was to say? Mhm. I guess the last point is that I want people to think in logically. How do you actually prove the videos are fake? How do you actually prove the videos are real? We're at an impasse. There's not much I can say. I mean, I've got the leaker of the videos. I've got the assets listed. At this point, we're at an impasse. So, what I would just say is be careful which side you choose. I'm telling you unequivocally those videos will be proven real. The most likely scenario is going to be when they release videos that are consistent with that. This is something that I wanted to ask that guy. I wanted to ask him and say, "What will it take you to admit that you're wrong?" When they release color fleer footage consistent with that with a rainbow palette, will you admit you're wrong? When they reveal wide area motion imagery footage consistent with that, will you admit you're wrong? You better get ready to admit you're wrong cuz you're going to. Cuz you can't say that somebody made these fake hoax videos, not say who they are, and then when it turns out that's real footage, that's actually consistent with real footage after you were saying it's cartoons and 90s video game effects. You can't come back then and say, "Oh, well yeah, yeah, it might be consistent. Somebody just somehow knew about footage no one knew about until past 2026." No, I'm the guy. If there's somebody out there that knows how this footage works and and they've known, they should have been speaking up years ago. And if there was a hoaxer, they would have already come out. They would have come out and collected the $150,000 bounty we had. We had a $150,000 bounty for the hoaxer to come out. 150 Gs, real. They say, "Oh, they didn't want to get They didn't want to have get like, you know, in trouble." Why would they hoax a video if they don't want to get in trouble? The whole point of hoaxing a video is so that you can come out and take the claim, you can take the fame afterwards. Instead, I'm taking the fame. Instead, I'm taking the fame. And why would they hoax it? And how did they know we never find the plane? How did they know to make a wormhole video of an airplane and then know we're never going to find the plane for 12 years? Cuz now that hoax looks incredible. Now, if that is a hoax, I want to meet the person because they might be psychic. They might have psychic powers from aliens. Somehow they hoaxed videos of a plane that's still missing. That's better than most psychic Most psychics would kill for a story like that that they could push. So, there you guys go. Okay, guys, to wrap it up before we go to the super chats. First of all, I want to thank everybody for listening, following along. Thank for Thank you for my Redditors for enjoying and following along the conversation. I appreciate it. Next week, I'm going to have to take a little bit of a break. I have to practice for Magic the Gathering. Here's another crazy ass thing that I've been thinking about. Guys, when did I When did I put that on my wall? When did I change my setup and have this thing on my wall? Was it before the cloud photo debunk came out? I do have to wonder. Why? Because one of these magic cards back here is called Bolas's Citadel. And do you know who the artist of that card is? Jonas De Ro. The supposed photographer of those photos. So, I've been standing in front of a magic card whose art and literal signature is the guy that supposedly took the photos of that mural thing that we were staring at. This is one of those things where you try not to fall down the rabbit hole a little bit too far. But, what I'm going to say, guys, is I got to practice for Magic the Gathering. I will be playing in the historic Magic the Gathering Arena Championships. The debunkers tried to say that I was making it up. [ __ ] is not fake, chat. And I'm not going to lie to you. I'm probably going to get messed up. I'm probably going to get wrecked. I'm probably going to absolutely wrecked. I'm This is like we're living in a simulation. I'm playing in the Arena Championships. People, why? Why is Ashton Forbes in Chat, I don't know. Divine hand of God, chat. So, I got to figure out I don't even know how to play. I played the game a few times. I got to figure out what deck I'm going to play, how I'm going to do this, and I got to practice next week. It's for like $20,000, chat. $20,000, and you can get on like the pro tour, I think, if you win, or even if you get in like the top 10. There's like 120 people, so I got to try, so I'm going to have to take a little bit of break. I'm going to have to focus on that. If you want to hang out, I'll probably be playing magic cards next week, doing super dorky [ __ ] But anyway, I love you guys. Okay, let's go to the super chats. Woo. Misadventure says, "This guy's nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is." I think he was pretty cute, guys. He came in, and think about it like this. Like I put myself in his shoes. I used to be like him. Not quite that lame, but yeah, I'm pretty lame. Still am. And here's the thing about it. You get a little bit of fame. Like I I'm somebody who's got decent amount of followers. That's the most followers that guy's going to be on a show for a while, you know? He might say, "Hey, I went there." And hey, if I was wrong, then he gets to be the guy that says, "I'm the one that debunked that Ashton Forbes in those fake wormhole videos." I get it. I would do it, too. Respect to him. So, maybe I messed up on this. And you know what? He wasn't that rude. I mean, he kind of talked over me a lot, whatever, but wasn't as rude as I thought. I thought this could have gone way worse than I was anticipating. So, it went pretty well. Patriot Scout, keep in mind these cloud photos are their best shot, and it still gets defeated, but they don't even touch on the hundreds of other points. And this is the This is the probably the strongest thing. Because the reality is that I was stirred when that debunk came out. When that debunk came out, I was shook. I was thinking about, "Holy [ __ ] they had this thing planned." And I'm thinking like, "Am I wrong? Are the video Maybe the videos are fake." I was asking all the people that I talked to. I'm like, "Is this science actually fake?" I'm like, "Wait, did I find fake science?" And they're like, "No, this the science is definitely fake." And they're like, "I talked to my people, those videos are definitely real." And I'm like, "What's going on?" And so, I thought about it some more. And that's when I realized like maybe we're being deceived on this cloud photo thing. That's when I deleted my post after that. Which yes, I mean I regret posting, but I don't care. I deleted it. That's why you delete posts if you start if you're wrong about something. And the reality is I soon found out after that that there's beyond a shadow of a doubt those videos are real. Beyond a shadow of a doubt those videos are real and anybody trying to debunk them using any arguments, you're going to be able to find out why their arguments fall apart. And you're going to be able to find the loophole in it. And like someone just said in the chat, like you uh sorry, Dobby with the Throbby or sorry, that was not Dobby with the Throbby. Welcome back to Dobby with the Throbby, my boy. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. All the other hundreds of points. The other thing I didn't even get to ask is do you think the United States government knows what happened to the plane? I mean, I don't need the videos to know the United States government knows what happened to the plane. And I I would talk to What What is Australia? Prime Minister? President? I don't know. Crappy country, don't like them. Whatever, ban me. Dare you. Ban me. They say that their critical satellite network JORN or critical radar network JORN that can see to China, it can see to China, chat. Their JORN system that can see to China, oh, it was offline that night. That night when MH370 was flying for 8 hours in range of their JORN super over the horizon radar network, it was off. [ __ ] that, bro. Put me in Put me in front of their their prime minister or whatever. They are absolutely full of [ __ ] How all the radar systems that would have seen the plane were just off that night? Whoops. Wow. This is why I'm saying, guys, like you're right, not everything is a conspiracy. Not everything is. And some of this UFO stuff is fake. And truthfully, I wish those videos were fake, too. But sadly, they're not. They're not, and we're going to be vindicated. Also, some additional news while we're pulling this out. I just saw Anna Paulina Luna said that the 40 videos, 4 0, have are getting approved to be released. Chat, some [ __ ] is about to drop next next week. I've got a couple major podcasts dropping next week. So, even though I'm going on vacation, it's kind of kind of not. I've got um What is it? The Crossroads podcast with the Dougs in-person podcast. That's going to be dropping. And then also, The Blaze with Pat, chat, next week Friday pre-recorded interview next Friday with Pat and Keith and the boys of The Blaze is going to pop off. Especially if these new videos drop. I spoke about the new videos potentially dropping, too. Mhm. Going to be good, chat. Going to be real good. Steven Fleischer says, "This debate is Drugs ashes unbeatable because he's right. Thank you both for doing this. I appreciate you guys." Oh, and more news. Andrew Wilson replied back. We're not We're We're still in this, chat. We're still in this for this religion UFO debate. And I am excited. I got my I got a little warm-up today. I dipped my toe in the water in the debate field. I want And Andrew Wilson, like, that's like going up to the biggest dude in the prison and shanking him. He is the number one debater right now. And I've watched him, and he's scary good. And I want an actual debate. I'm happy to have discussion on certain points. But I want to have debate. I want there to be like actual ideas back and forth challenging one another. So Yeah, I'm just getting kind of hard just thinking about it, Chad. It's going to be good, I think. But that's probably not going to be for a couple weeks cuz of all this Magic the Gathering stuff going on. Anyway, Stephen Fleischauer, thank you. Appreciate that one. XLX Squee, bro needs to study his UHTEPRUE on and fix his theory. I didn't really want to go into the science stuff. When he DM'd me earlier, he's like, I don't you know, if you're going to go in all the plasma stuff, it's not really fair, right? Like, I'll talk about the science stuff and have a science debate with like Eric Weinstein, Sabine, Brian Keating, etc. I'll talk about the videos and, you know, what we know about, you know, uh military surveillance, things like that when we're going to have a debate about the videos. We can give those things separate. I'm not trying to highroad somebody and be like, well, I know more about physics than you, so therefore I'm right about these videos. Like, that's not cool or fair to anyone, right? But I will do that to the other physicists. >> [laughter] >> Timothy Foster. Oh, and we're not I'm not going to make him I wasn't Guys, the whole like, you know, bet thing, whatever, that's that's just yeah. I wasn't trying to make him pay up on that, whatever. I know the videos are real. I actually challenged people go get a forensic analysis. You have somebody forensic analysis Don't just don't make up some fake [ __ ] about my PRNU analysis of the photos and proves that these must be fake. Like, come on, man. Just let's be serious, okay? Find somebody who can forensically analysis the analyze the videos. They're not going to find anything wrong with them. They're legit. Thank you, Timothy Foster. Appreciate you. Zapper Ruin Zappariah. Hope you guys enjoyed the debate. Hope you guys got a little bit information. I also wanted to clear up some of my opinions because people have been saying because I did originally think that they took the the the videos and and pulled the somehow made the photos from them. I was actually able to show that you can upscale photos using AI tools like under a minute. But I actually don't think that's what happened. I actually think they literally used the original high source footage that the CIA has. And I think what happened was Edward Snowden likely intercepted a version of the footage. And you would say, "Well, how did he play the Whammy then? How did he play the Gorgon Stare?" Cuz he had Gorgon Stare software. He has the software. He has the He gets the file. He just has to plug it in. It's like, "Oh, how did he play the Super Nintendo game?" Well, he had a [ __ ] Super Nintendo. He plugged the Super Nintendo game into his Super Nintendo and he just played it, right? And then he recorded it. And that's how that's how I actually I think the most I can't prove it, obviously. That's the most likely scenario in my mind. They intercepted it. They were following the plane. They intercepted the CIA surveillance. He happened to have the software that allowed him to play that footage. And then he recorded it and that's how it got out. Cuz there's no way How else is a CIA secret operation going to leak out? There's no way that [ __ ] leaked out from an internal building. You get killed for that [ __ ] For sure. Dobby with a throbbing. Huge donation. Off-topic, but uh but I'm a Wi-Files hater now. I watched his video of the cure for cancer that he presented prove at the end is there is no cures that Steve Jobs died for cancer. Oh boy. Oh boy, chat. Wi-Files. There was some random person taking a shot at me about the Wi-Files, which I'm just going, "Is that you, you know? Is that you, you know, on an alt account? Is he on a burner?" Kind of reminds me of the kind of guy that might go on a burner account and just randomly talk [ __ ] "Wi-Files owns you, man. They're so much cooler than you." Like, dude, why Why you care so much? The thing that's so weird is like why do they care so much? I'm just if I'm a guy that you don't care about having on your podcast, why do you care if I say I'm not interested in going on your show? Why does it bother you so much? It's almost like you're uh you're showing your true intentions. Like you do want to invite me, but you want me to like kiss the ring first. To be like, "Ooh, I'm so sorry. Please have me on your show. I love it. Please." Like look, I'll just put it like this, guys. I will talk to anybody. I'll talk to Tucker Carlson. I don't really like Tucker Carlson. Think he's might be a Qatari shill. But I'll still talk to him. But I want to have an honest conversation. If you think the videos are fake and it's VFX, then just say that. So that we can talk through those points. Because truthfully, that's the big disconnect. Big disconnect is this is some weird psychological thing. You just heard that guy going, "I believe the CIA hides all this stuff and then we can have advanced tech I just those videos are fake though." It's like okay, man. Well, the evidence isn't going to get better than those videos. It's pretty crazy how people can just make up stories and they'll get no pushback. You say, "Oh well, my cousin saw three three flying saucer UFOs spin around and teleport." They'll be like, "Wow, that's cool as [ __ ] Wow." Because there's no evidence for it. There's no way to prove it or disprove it. But you say, "Hey, man. Here's two super advanced perfectly in sync military videos of a real plane in a real operation. Here's all the "Nope, that's fake." Jesus. We might be cooked, guys. So, yeah. Point being, I'll still talk to anybody. I don't care about it, but we can't we can't just, you know, I'm not going to Look at the situation. Free energy's on the line. Warp drives. I'm not even sure this [ __ ] should be coming out. I'm actually pretty sure it shouldn't be coming out. You're telling me I should go kiss the ring and suck up to people for clout? I don't even want more clout. I don't even want more clout. I don't want this to accelerate a little too fast. I want this to go at a kind of slow speed. So, no, I'm cool with how things are playing out right now. If I want to If anybody I want to talk to, dream team right now, nobody asked question nobody asked, who would I want to talk to right now? Number one, I kind of want to talk to Glenn Beck again for some reason. Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck was one of the people I thought kind of was open-minded to this. And I want to really dig into the political aspects and the religious angles to it. The other person is Bill Maher. Bill Maher has been waking up slowly to this, but he is fully indoctrinated in the woke disclosure people, and I want to rip him free from that [ __ ] I feel like he's a person that sees the government corruption and [ __ ] and and it When I lay out how the science goes from the Air Force and then to the defense contractors and how the CIA uses it, I think he would be compelled. And I also think he's the kind of guy that if you tell him they're lying to you about aliens to cover up what they're doing, he will become skeptical and then he'll say, "You got to show me the alien bodies." And that's what I want people to do. Okay. And then you say Fred Durst, I I love Fred Durst, bro. Fred Durst, if you're out there, I love you, bro. I [ __ ] love you, bro. I've been listening to your music I'm a I'm a I'm going to fanboy out for a second. I've been listening to your music since I was in high school. I would sit on the bus in Singapore and just listen to some Linkin Park, uh, Chocolate Starfish, whatever it it it was called, can't remember the top of my head, and I would just I would jam on it. I was that disaffected youth chat with the baggy jeans, the Tommy Hilfiger jeans, playing StarCraft, and listening to Linkin Park, and then I found out that Fred Durst believed in zero-point energy. Damn, Chad. That's like That's some [ __ ] Here you go. take on like zero-point energy or the the UFOs and UAPs and things happening. >> What's zero-point energy? Zero-point When Bill Maher said that it killed me. I died. A little piece of Ashton died, Chad. One of Ashton's four orbs, it died a little bit on the inside. I don't know if we can teleport anymore. point energy is a technology that's been around for a long time that's been kind of dark shelved and buried that you could take energy from the vacuum in space to power everything we need. Your home, power this your whole >> The vacuum in space? >> Yes. So, what happens is we don't need to plug into the power grid. We don't need to have this primitive kind of energy situation that we're being forced Basically, you're born on Earth to be to either pay for energy and survive or not be able to pay for energy and not make it. How can Bill Maher not understand this? How can he not understand this? Fred Durst is laying out the facts right here. And he's laying out in a way where like anybody can get it. Get the energy in space, bro. You haven't heard of the virtual [clears throat] photons? Bro, you don't watch your Neil deGrasse Tyson? Bro, the virtual photons are in space. Uh yeah, space is filled with something called space juice. You haven't heard of it? We can harness the space juice to power things. Simple. And what does it mean? It means we're living a slave life. Means all this [ __ ] is fake. All this world, this reality is fake. This is why I asked I asked him what are you going to do when you realize this is all fake as hell? Because this ultimately means free energy. Well, okay, so what is the vacuum in space and why is it filled with energy and how do we get it out of it? Well, that's that's the idea. The idea is there there's I seem to I can understand why we use >> No, I'm sorry, but there's already people who've proven it. There's already people who've done the tech the same like the guy who created the car that runs off hydrogen and water. Not quite the same as that, but zero-point energy has been proven and zero-point energy extraction has been proven and the question we're at now is how do you perpetually extract zero-point energy so we can have free energy and get the hell off this planet? And for that, I got to get back to my scientific paper and work on it. Because that's what I want my scientific paper to lay the foundation for. High beta plasmas exuding zero-point energy modes, which creates a Casimir effect, which is the exact effect we need of the plates moving back and forth to suck energy out of the vacuum. Boom. There you go, Bill Maher. I just laid it out. You want to know the best part? They figured it out during the the high-altitude nuclear weapons tests. That's when they were seeing these high beta plasmas. In fact, in fact, chat, you're getting an extra work we're doing overtime. Chat, overtime with Ashton Forbes. Bill Maher, don't you sue me. Overtime with Ashton Forbes physics lesson. Why is beta equals one so important? Because the equation for power for pure power Thanos style is beta squared times radius cubed times magnetic field strength to the power of four. So, if we compare two reactors, we can assume they're going to both use the same magnetic fields. Let's just assume they both have the same powered magnets. So, we can cross off the B to the fourth. Because no matter how much the magnetic the magnet scale, they're both going to scale the same. So now we're left with two terms, beta beta squared and radius cubed. Radius cubed means that the bigger you make your fusion reactor the more powerful it's going to get. Because the power increases by the radius cubed. So you can have a bigger reactor and if you make it big enough, fusion will work no matter what. That's what that means. Beta is the key one though, because we square our beta. But the beta of a tokamak is point one. So beta of a tokamak being point one, point one times point one is point zero one. So what does that mean? That means that a beta equals one, which is one times one equals one is going to be 100 times more powerful than a tokamak reactor with a beta of point one. So an FRC fusion plasma reactor will be 100 times more efficient than a tokamak using the exact same magnetic fields. And what does that mean? That means that a radius cubed where we have to make that giant reactor, which is why they're making the ITER so big because it needs to be very big. Now suddenly that doesn't need to be as big anymore. That radius cubed now, because we're getting a reactor that's 100 times more powerful now the radius can start to shrink. This is how you turn your fusion reactor into something that fits, let's say, on the bed of a semi. Shout out Charles Chase. Also random shout outs Salvatore Pais. Okay, so if any of you ever say you don't know how fusion works butter on the face chat I just taught you. I just taught you don't you lie. I just taught you. So anybody also that says they're going to invest in tokamak reactors you say um have you looked at the equation for fusion power? You should probably take another look at it. You should probably go take a look at how much beta those tokamak reactors have. Cuz the math ain't mathing chat. The math ain't mathing. Okay, thank you again David Throbby. Appreciate you brother. Justin Burnett Justin Burnett says what set is the foil sheet from? War of the spark. Bolas's Citadel War of the spark. This was the last set they did that was like all planeswalkers. Everybody hated planeswalkers cuz they were way too powerful. I loved it. David Throbby betting my life savings on you to win Don't do that chat. Chat hey never listen to my financial advice. Never bet on me on anything. I am the most unlucky cursed person there is in the whole world chat. In fact this may be like an offset the MH370 thing might be an offset where like my luck is so bad that some miraculous thing that even I didn't think was possible just got willed into existence to offset my luck. Mhm, interesting. Okay. You cannot debunk reality absolutely true. Thank you Moosigoo. I appreciate you. PJ Mike thank you for investigating MH370. Thank you PJ Mike for being here and saying hi on every stream. I see it every time. Thank you. And thank you Steven Fleischer for make me a mod before you go please. Okay, you know what? We will make you a mod. I have to find you though. Steven please post in the chat so I can make you a mod. I need you to post it in cuz I can't find that old chat. It's too far. It's too far up there somewhere. And I don't know how to make you a mod otherwise. Okay, I'll do that though. We need some more mods by the way guys. Okay guys, I think that's it. Let me look and see here. Oh, thank you guys also in the Rumble chat just for hanging out. Rumble chat has been getting much bigger. Laughing Cad, Double M, some of the common people I see in there. Thank you guys. Okay. Um, let me close this. Okay, um, lastly, my boy Steven Fleischer, post in the chat and I'll mod you up. Guys, have a great night. We'll be back on Monday. I'll be streaming Magic the Gathering. Have a great night. Talk to you later. Peace out everybody. 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