High Frequency Gravity Waves - Gary Stephenson

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# High Frequency Gravity Waves - Gary Stephenson Malaysian 370 contact 120 decimal nera 37. Breaking news tonight. A Malaysia Airlines flight with 239 people on board, including four Americans, has gone missing. [Music] Oh, [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad Gita, Vishnu. is trying to persuade the prince that he should do his duty and to impress him. Takes on his multi-armed form and says, "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." Hello everybody, welcome to the live stream. Wow, you guys are already popping off in the chat. You guys are already popping off in the chat, guys. Okay, right off the bat, I want to say one thing, which is if you have a problem with my attitude on social media, too bad, guys. Go back to the previous live streams going back over almost two years ago now. I have repeatedly told people, look, I can be a nice guy if you're a nice guy to me, but if you are coming at me, you are attacking me, you are trying to, you know, set up plans that debunk me, then I am going to come back and destroy your life. That's not a joke. This isn't a game. The MH370 videos aren't some scam or some hoax. If you think they are, well, you're wrong. I'm sorry. I don't know what else to tell you on that front. So, just don't come at me. Don't get involved. Don't put yourself in the situation if you don't want to. That's your choice. That's your choice. But expecting me to be nice to people after what people have put me through and tried to do to me. No, that's sorry. I'm just not that good of a person, I'm afraid. So, if you were hoping for someone like that, that ain't me. That is not me. And it's not that I can't deal with the [ __ ] that they put me through, like sending psychotic letters to my mom. My mom won't even talk to me right now because she's blaming me for her getting socially engineered by a psychotic letter from Redditors online. And you're telling me I have to be nice to these people? You are out of your mind. I'm going to destroy their lives. I'm going to dox them publicly. I'm going to give their address away on live stream in front of thousands of people and have their lives be ruined. And if they want to come after me legally, good. I'm going to destroy your life even more if you do. That's what's going to happen. Professor Dave, I'm going to make that guy hang himself. Do you get it? Have we addressed the situation? Is it clear enough for people out there? Don't come at me if you don't want this smoke. I don't care if you're Joe Rogan, Sean Ryan. I don't care who you are. I don't care if you're the president of the goddamn United States. I'm not [ __ ] around. Now, that being said, let's get down to business. First off, guys, Ross Khart now is doing a 180. Ross Colard is now saying that Lockheed the tic tac is locked Martin technology and he knows and if you followed me you already know that too because we had uh Berles Congressman Berles say that um I think that Ron Pandalfi I think told Stephven Greer that is the story as well and that's why Steven Greer has been saying it and we know Loheed Martin has this kind of technology so it's not surprising that they would have made the tic tac the reason why I think this notable is that the UFO community, the woke disclosure side, they are now coming around to the idea that we've reverse engineered this alien technology that yes, maybe we've figured it out now. And before you say, okay, it's fine, guys. It's fine that they're coming around to this. I want to point out I was just at contact in the desert like several weeks ago and I literally asked Michael Strat who's like one of what I consider the best researched investigators in the UFO phenomenon and I'm going to forget his name something Ryan but they're like they literally did a talk about reverse engineering asked them specifically do they think that we have figured any of this out? No was their answer. That was three four weeks ago. So boy what has changed? What has changed in just a few weeks? I think I told them to look up air breathing and magneto hydrodnamics, but I don't remember exactly what I said. Now, that's not the only thing. I might have to pull this up. Ross is now also saying that China has figured this technology out. What? What? out of nowhere. Out of nowhere, not only have we figured this out, but now China has figured it out, too. You mean like the thing I've been saying on the podcast for like a year and a half, saying that we're in some kind of war research, like developing this technology, figuring out whoever gets this technology first wins the whole world. In fact, clearly we already won that and now we're just trying to prevent everybody else from getting there. So, out of nowhere, now Ross is saying that. I got to be honest, that triggered me today, guys. That triggered me. Where is it? Oh, I didn't even I didn't even want to give him credit. So, I didn't even retweet his uh saying it because I didn't want to give him credit. But just so that people understand, I'm just gonna This is just crazy that because of all the podcasts I've been on, I have a clip of Candice Owens saying that I said this on her podcast in September of 2024, which was a year ago. which was a year ago. This is Candace Owens talking about me in connection to China and the US having this anti-gravitic technology. And it did just seem like people were really just attacking Shawn Ryan for was what was actually a very interesting piece of journalism. And I'll tell you why I found this to be an interesting piece of journalism. You guys might recall that I had on Ashton Forbes and if you haven't watched an episode that you should, like what happened to MH370, that plane that disappeared and one of the things that he spoke about, and I was not educated about this whatsoever, was he was essentially saying that the government was hiding technology, the exact same thing that is in this email that he alleges was sent to him from Matt Libelsberger. And essentially what Ashton Forbes was saying is that there is this sort this there is zero point gravity that exists that they are able to manipulate gravity and specifically Ashen for that it was this war between China and the United States that they that our government has had this techn technology and has been hiding it from the public for a very long time. And so now you have an entirely unrelated situation that doesn't has nothing to do with MH370, nothing to do with Ashen Forbes. and this person is emailing to allege the same thing. I think that we should look further into that. I don't think this should just be routinely dismissed. I don't think there would be any reason for Shawn Ryan to engage in fraud on the public. He's at the top of his game, the top of his podcasting game. And from every angle that he and his producers looked into this, this email appeared to be legit. And so, I'm not going to trust a bunch of people in the intelligence community essentially coming out and saying this email is not legit or this isn't real. I would rather trust internet sleuths who are very good at determining what is and is not real and understands that our government has been invested in hiding these sorts of things for a very long time by calling everybody crazy. And I I would also like to trust decorated vets who put their lines uh put their lives on the line for this country above trusting the people that would let them die in a war tomorrow. I mean, holy [ __ ] Just give her the I mean, 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10 two minute speech. She didn't even have to rant like I do. She nailed it. I was one of the only people reporting on this Matt Liblsberger email situation. Even Shawn Ryan wasn't reporting on his own discovery. He like reported on it. It's like a bro, this email is like really really specific. It's got dates. It's got names of people. It's got operations. It's got the staging area where these drones are coming out of. And Shawn Ryan's not even investigating it himself. I waited and didn't go that hard on Shawn Ryan about this, but then I saw him talking to Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson asks him about it. Tucker Carlson asks Shawn Ryan about this. Says, "Wasn't what about that email with the anti-gravity drones or whatever?" And Sean Ryan's like, "Yo, we looked into that and there wasn't wasn't anything there." What, bro? You follow me? Joe Rogan follows me. Sean Ryan follows me. What the What the hell's going on, man? What do you mean there's nothing there? Are you watching the live stream right now called High Frequency Gravity Waves? I really hope you're watching it right now cuz here was you just like six months ago. The email. Yep. So, this email came in on December 31st at 10:42 a.m. That is Tuesday. He said, "In case I do not make it to my decision point or on to the Mexico border, I am sending this now. Please do not release this bro until 1 January and keep my identity private until then." That's a crazy ass way to start an email. In case I do not make it to my decision point or onto the Mexico border, I am sending this now. Please do not release this until 1 January and keep my identity private until then. This is the guy that supposedly boom in front of Trump Tower in a Cybert truck. I mean, if that was a message, that's a pretty clear message to like Elon and to Trump. Anyway, please go on. What are your claims, Matt Liveberger? First off, I'm not under duress or hostile influence or control. My first car was a 2006 black Ford Mustang V6 for verification. What we have been seeing with drones, he puts that in quotes. He says drones is the operational use of gravidic propulsion systems powered aircraft by most recently China in the East Coast, but throughout history the US only we and China had this capability. Holy [ __ ] I mean, after you've been researching what we've been going through, like, you know, there's no question this is legit. He didn't make this up. He may be working with partial information, but he didn't make this up. We had it primarily, and now China's got it. Now, China's got it. What we're calling drones are really plasma orbs flying around in the sky. Compact fusion reactors. Our opsen, that's operation center. Our opsend location for this activity in the in it. is in the box below. China has been launching them from the Atlantic from submarines for years, but this activity recently has picked up. As of now, it is just a show of force and they are using it similar to how they used a balloon for SIG and ISR, which are Bro, the submarine thing too makes sense because these are transmedium craft. These these orbs can definitely go underwater. We see the second one in the MH370 videos come out of the water. We see it come out of the water. also part of the integrated comm system. There are dozens of those balloons in the air at any given time. The so what is because of the speed and stealth of these unmanned aircraft. They are the most dangerous threat to national security that has ever existed. They basically have an unlimited payload capacity and can park it over the White House if they wanted. It's checkmate. US damn that US government needs to give the history of this. How we are employing it and weaponizing it. how China is employing them and what they and what the way forward is. China is poised to attack anywhere in the East Coast. Wow. I mean, that's the bulk and the the the bulk of it. But so he's saying there that we need to reveal the history of it. We need to reveal the history of how we weaponized this, why we suppressed it, and get it out to public. And what is he talking about? He may Matt Liveberger may not even know what he was talking about there. He's talking about fusion reactions. He may just think like, oh, it's this weapon drone thing that they created out of plasma. Actually understanding it's a it's a fusion reactor is like a whole another level of physics that's required to understand that. So, he may not even understand the full implications of it. The reason why they're hiding this is because it's literally an energy source that's an infinite energy source. Much like having your own son, if you have your own son, you can understand the concept you have infinite energy. But they figured out something even better than that. They figured out direct energy conversion. Direct energy conversion, the ability to produce electricity directly. They don't even have to turn into heat. They don't have to steam, spin anything, what have you. Boom. They can they can just basically create a dipole, a positive or minus charge, get electricity out of it. There you go. Okay, one more thing before we get into the interview tonight. Um, we're gonna be looking at an interview between Tim Ventura and Gary Stevenson, who I've spoken about several times on live streams in the past. He worked with Bob Baker on high frequency gravity waves. And so, I was extremely curious to hear his take on all of this science. Um, before we do that, I am going to be posting later tonight promotional material for my appearance on Gaia, which is uh gone live as of today. It's about MH370. It was a few months ago. I have nothing bad to say about the experience. It was actually the nicest anybody has treated me on any show ever. They've got a bunch of stuff, so I'm going to post it on my social medias and yeah, take a look. Okay, here is the interviewing question. Hopefully we don't get YouTubed for this. Okay, follow Tim Ventura, guys. I put a link in the chat. Uh, excuse me. There are a bunch of great interviews that he's done and actually put a bunch of sources in here as well. So, if you want to read the sources for all the stuff they talk about here, the part that really got me interested was this. Even the DIA and CIA got involved. Ron Pandalfi launched a Jason review of high frequency gravity waves due to weapons concerns. Wow, this one's going to be a banger, chat. Especially because the beauty of this is that we know this stuff is real. We know this stuff is real. So now we're basically just getting to look behind the curtain. We're getting to see, okay, it's real. How are they hiding this? How is all this working behind the scenes and we can figure that out. It's actually pretty easy if you know what you're looking for. The problem is most people don't know what they're looking for. So, it's just a needle in a hay sack. Once you know you're looking for some plasma orbs that are compact fusion reactors, oh, it's easy. We even know now that it's boron 11 that they're using. They could be using helium 3, but they're basically just using third generation fuel that is autonic. There's like no heat being released. It's all just direct energy conversion to electricity. And you go, "Wow, that's crazy." Yeah, it's [ __ ] crazy. They're like 50 years ahead minimum. So, Friday we're gonna talk about Fusion. And this is the only thing I'm going to say about Fusion tonight before we jump into that interview I was just showing is that there's no point trying to do any of this free energy stuff yourself because they're on the verge of releasing these fusion reactors, at least ones that are controlled by the CIA, government, what have you. Um, probably pretty quickly. I was partially right about cold fusion. Hot fusion was a scam. They were doing cold fusion but not cold in the way that we were thinking. It was cold fusion in the autronic sense. A neutronic fusion. That's the cold fusion. So actually it is technically still cold fusion but also ironically they use boron which is the highest temperature to ignite. So kind of right and wrong at the same time. Pretty weird, huh? So, I'm going to point out on Friday, we're going to go through there's several presentations, one by Eric Lerner where he shows all the different uh fusion companies that are doing like IEC fusion and how far advanced they are and who's better at each one. And what's crazy is like there's several that have to be like either already have it figured out or they're like on the cusp. So, it's going to happen. It's happening one way or another. Doesn't really really matter what we do. So, what I want to do is I want to expose the whole fusion scam that's about to come down because they're about to just give us this, you know, controlled Fusion and it's probably going to be like Peter Theel's company that they're going to pick because he's already CIA, I imagine, but we'll we'll figure that out later. It's not important for right now. Okay, a couple donos I want to hit up real quick. Truth Teller, thank you very much. Cloudchasers be wing. Yeah, they do. War Ranch LLC, booyah. Thank you, War Ranch. And thank you, uh, Truth Teller. Appreciate you guys. Matt says, "Gifted a cookie. Do you think they triple 7deed Epstein through a wormhole to get him out of that cell?" This is actually funny. People are actually asking me unironically if they teleported Epstein out of the cell. And the crazy answer is, I have to say, they could. They probably could. They actually probably could have. Um, and they probably could have replaced his body, too. I absolutely believe they have cloning. I have no evidence for it, but I believe they have cloning. I mean, I'm watching a plane get teleported out of the sky, so cloning doesn't even really seem like a stretch compared to that. At least not to me. Um, but no, I think truthfully, you know what? I'm going to give you the most blue pill take ever here. I think that he just killed himself. I just think that like they let it happen and they could have stopped it. Like, that's my take. Like, of course they want him dead. He knows all the [ __ ] about them. They're not going to leave him alive. No way. No way. You kidding me? How much dirt do you think Epstein knew about these people? Stephven Hawking was going to Epstein Island. I mean, he had physicists and scientists and [ __ ] out there. I mean, we're talking about 0 point energy and free energy and stuff like that. Yeah, you definitely want to compromise those people. Epstein had to go. I just think he just knew he had to go. And he was like, yeah, like they probably had an agreement like you go to jail and you know what you got to do, right? Take the cyanide pill or whatever the hell you got to do. like, you know, your life is over at that point. That's what I think happened. And I think they just turned off the cameras when it happened so that like, you know, no one's going to go save him or whatever. Stupid. Anyway, that's just my blue pill take, but believe whatever you guys want. Okay, Gary Stevenson, man. Holy [ __ ] man. There's more I want to say about this, but I can't at the moment. Just know if you're in the future watching this live stream. Holy [ __ ] man. Holy [ __ ] Okay, here we go. Uh, we're gonna start it off with just Ning Lee. Ning Lee right off the bat. This is the history of gravity wave research. I didn't really know what this interview was about. Like, why is Tim Mur just randomly interviewing Gary Stevenson right now? It's like, oh, it's the history of gravity wave research. Okay. So, if you didn't think those gravity propulsion drones were real, then this must not be real either. So, let's listen and then we can come to our own opinions about if we think what do we think about gravity wave research trying to put those all you know together. Um, so the story I guess what brought this back into the headlines was Dr. Ning Lee was covered by a fellow named Noah Logan writing for the Huntsville Business Journal. He did an article on her and he was talking about some of the the mystery surrounding her later years as well as some of the events surrounding you know her her rise to fame I guess in a sense. So I I guess I should start out by saying do you remember much about Ning Lee? I only met her once at the first high frequency gravitational wave conference at MITER in McLean Virginia and that would have been 2003. So I did see her present at that time. 2003 so we got this is important to know these dates. 2003 was the first MITER conference on gravity waves and Gary Stevenson maybe met her met Ningly but as you're going to find out he didn't have any personal relationship. Now why I think this is interesting is something he's going to say later on. I want you guys to imagine in your heads right now. How do you think the intelligence communities manage the scientists? The scientists aren't like working in the CIA. Most of them aren't. Several of them might be, but most of them are just like normal people that are doing like teaching jobs. So, how is the CIA managing those people? How is the intelligence community? How is the military managing them? How are they making sure that they don't go talk to China or Russia or what have you? Think about that. I just want you to think about that. think about what kind of methods they would use to control them. Okay, we'll come back to that later at the end of the live stream. That's going to be really important here. I didn't stay in touch with her. I've never collaborated with her. Well, this story, as you well know, this story is much much larger and more extensive than just Ning Lee. I mean, there are dozens of PhD physicists as well as experimenters, NASA folks. So many people have been involved in this at a deep level, including yourself. But I did want to start with her because I think that is kind of where this story begins. Uh Dr. Ning Lee and I believe Douglas Tor co-authored the effects of gravido magnetic field on pure superconductors back in 1991. This was we're about to get our first yatsi and we're only 3 minutes in. Co-authored in physics review D volume 43. So there was research by Dr. Robert forward and others before this but that's where superconductors come into the picture. Did you say Robert forward? There was research by Robert Forward. The Robert Forward that I've been talking about about the Casmir effect using it to charge a battery. That Robert forward. Yeah, that Robert Forward. Okay, that wasn't even the Yatsi moment. Keep going. Right. Yeah, that's right. Doug Doug to Tor was I believe that Ding Lee was was his adviser and he was getting his PhD and so he wrote on coherent zero point motion. How the coherent zero point motion inside of superconductors might be leveraged to create gravity magnetic effects. coherent zero point motion inside of superconductors. Holy [ __ ] How have nobody ever said this to me before? Coherent zero point motion inside of a superconductor. Was that like connecting to Bose Einstein condensate? What does that even mean to me? That sounds like Bose Einstein condensate like making shapes in a superconductor. Huh. Okay. This idea had been around for a while. You know, physics is this continuous stream of ideas. Yeah. And so Andre Sakurov had had first conceived that gravity might be coming from some interaction with zero point motion. And that was in the 60s and then Halpov did a lot to build on that. Uh, and so this this the stream of of uh what? I love you, Gary Stevenson. Did we just become best friends? Gary Stevenson Sakurov in 1967 proposed that gravity was uh based on the zero point fluctuations and then Hal Pudof 1989 gravity is 0 point fluctuation force. Anybody out there Andre Sakarov and Hal Pudof guys? Yeah, we kind of talk about them like all the time. Again, watch Candace Owens. Candace Owens September of 2024, over one million views. What does Ashton Forbes say in there when we get to the science part? He says it was Sakurov who first discovered 0 point energy, or at least he's getting the credit. Who was he? He was a fusion bomb developer for Russia. He helped develop the hydrogen bomb for Russia discovered that gravity was a zero point fluctuation force and then Hal Pudof shows up 1989 writes his paper. I think his paper was published in Physical Review as well. Okay. potentially leveraging coherent zero point motion which happens in superconductors really originated with sacroof and pof and then I think tour picked it up from there working with and so that's what led to their u their paper in physics review that described a potential method of creating grav magnetic effect with with this coherence zero point motion ah okay okay and so somebody in the chat just said this as well yeah that's like a triple yatsi score nukes equal time travel I'm starting to believe chat I'm starting starting to believe why? What happened? They figured out fusion from the Hbomb. They figured fusion out and zero point energy out from the Hbomb that there was one problem. It was neutronic. It was killing It would kill you if you went near it. If you went near the thermonuclear explosion, it's going to evaporate you. Why? Because of the heat. Because of the neutrons. So, what's the solution? A neutronic reaction. A neutronic fusion reaction. It's an implosive effect. And where are you imploding to? Where exactly are you imploding to? Guess you're imploding to a different location. And if you're manipulating spaceime, then you're manipulating time. This is what Jason Georgiani said on the Danny Jones podcast and with me. that these gravity crafts are time machines. Not the time machine type that we would think of, but close. Close. Wow. The yachts are already racking up, chat. This is the This is just absolutely crazy. I literally changed the subject the last minute from Fusion to talk about this because a I know Gary Stevenson's as legit as can possibly be. And actually after watching this, I'm now actually just wondering if he's intelligence himself. He's too smart. He's he's just way too smart. And he's very very well organized. Throughout this whole interview, you're going to see like he's reviewing his notes and he's got all the dates and the people he wants to talk about listed out. It reminds me of me actually. Um, but he is extremely well organized, which tells me that this guy, he could easily be he could be intelligence for sure. He's he's too smart to give anything away as well. And he's so natural about it. Kind of like Hal Pudof where like you just can't even tell that they're just not telling you everything because the way that they tell the stories, the way they explain everything. It's just But the thing that gives them away is their lack of enthusiasm, their lack of passion. They've they've lost their passion because they've been forced to lie. They've been forced to hide the information and that's what gives them away. Anybody that's talking about warp drives, gravity manipulation, they should be excited as hell. They should be excited. They want to go talk to people about it. Instead, it's just like, you know, another day at the office. Oh well, never going to come out anyway. You know, that's kind of how the reaction is. And that's what makes me skeptical of their motivations right away. You see Chance Glenn. Chance Glenn, Gary Stevenson was there in Chance Glenn's lab. He's a guy trying to do gravity waves. Chance Glenn's excited as can be. He's one and he's all of a sudden he's wondering like who are all you guys? He goes, "Who are who are you guys exactly?" Yeah. He probably dawned on him for a second. He's like, "Wait a minute. Why did all these people come visit my lab? This is pretty weird." Anyway, this is going to be relevant here in a minute. Ningly's paper. It did get some attention. They did get some traction but the media frenzy started in 1996 and this is kind of more to the historical backstory of things. In 96 Dr. Eugene Plooff attempted to publish a paper on superconductors and gravity control. So his paper was about an experiment back in 1992. And if I remember correctly he had a 12-in rotating superconductor. So a very large disc at several thousand RPM. He was doing materials analysis structural integrity testing on this thing. And um from what I recall, pipe tobacco from a colleague of his started rising in a column above this and they felt that that was a reduced gravity effect after some investigation. Uh actually, let's see. I'm going to and gravitational shielding, right? Yeah. I I wasn't familiar with that story. Um I did read some of his papers over the years, but I always wondered what prompted him to think that there was reduced gravity. Certainly, if you're seeing if you're seeing uh effects in other rooms, uh then that that tends to indicate it's not just a thermal effect. Yeah. I think there could very well be a gravitational effect if it's propagating across floors. So that that was okay. I'm going to skip a couple minutes here, but basically it sounds like Stephvenson is very familiar with Ning Le's work, Pauloff, etc. But there's something going on here, right? Like he's not really excited about that either. Well, we're about to find out that Gary Stevenson was working on this stuff before before these guys were. I think uh wait when does he talk about here maybe uh Pakoff and Ningly were ITT on weather satellites uh and then I okay here we go here it is so we learned about work for him at that time I worked I worked for him uh at ITT on weather satellites uh and then I happened to run that was in the mid 80s and I happened to run into a colleague at a conference and he says you're not going to believe what our old boss was working on he's working on anti-gravity I'm like what because any other time in any other context at that certainly in the 80s if somebody said they're working on antiggravity it was it was like wahawah wa you know it was it was going to be some nut job it wasn't someone you really trusted and knew a really authentic researcher like Ron Koser. So when I heard that Ron Ker was interested in Yeah, ITT I don't know what ITT is but all of a sudden he's saying that his boss is working on anti-gravity in the 80s in the 80s you know that made it real for me and so I I became interested at that time. Okay I was going to ask that. So that's kind of what got you into it. So Ron Koser was working with Glenn Tony Robertson over at NASA, right? He also oversaw and funded Ningley's effort, although it was a separate effort. He was he was working with somebody or someone was working with someone that was overseeing Ningley's effort. What we're seeing right now is that this community of the gravity wave researchers or whatever, very small community, very small community. They all kind of knew of each other, of course. Well, that for NASA. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it does. It's not quite scripted, but it's it's like, why did they do this interview? This interview just seems so weird. It's going to make more sense at the end, guys. I promise. Okay, so yeah, that's I called him when I heard what he was doing. I was like, Ryan, you got to talk to me. What's going on here? And then they expanded the program when had his results, and I don't know how much funding they had for that. I think Tony probably was closer to that better to hear. Yeah. Well, so with Ponov with his results, it did make, you know, scientific circles in terms of news. Um, but the the breakout for him was being featured in Charles Plat's breaking the law of gravity that was published in So Pllenov got some some attention. Um, NASA never replicated. NASA never rep they talk back and forth a little bit but according to Tim Ventura he spoke to Tony Robbins or Roberts Roberts whatever his name is NASA guy and they say that they never were able to replicate the spinning superconductor experiment fine whatever one of the other things they say as well is that these superconductors were very brittle they're very brittle and they were hard to mold into the shape that you wanted so there were challenges associated with these superconductors Let's go here. Yeah. And the other thing that he said was um there are a few different experiments that that were proposed. Every replication attempt did not follow the instructions. And so you have negative results. For instance, Dr. Martin had negative results. Yes, I remember that very clearly. A few others did as well. They all cut corners on the experiment in one way or another. Um what do you make of the claims of uh Amy Esridge that they did? There has been an experiment that has seen something. Have you seen pause chat what what do you think Gary Stevenson just asked him to what do you think of the claims by Amy Escridge rest in peace that there has been something any of that video so Amy uh talked with me about it and I ended up talking with Claude Per and he is in France he's a scientist in France um he was somewhat tight lipped he was looking for funding I believe at the time he said that he had replicated I believe it was Tom's impulse generator experiment which is slightly different than his main disc yeah Yeah. And and saw results. Um you replicated the impulse generator. The impulse generator was the beam that they created later on. They talk about that in a few minutes here. Okay. Keep going. I think that was the only one that I took away from Amy. Do you remember what she told you about experiments? I I didn't speak to her directly. I I didn't know her. Uh I only watched videos after the fact and I think I believe she's passed away. Yeah. You know, she's no longer with us. Yeah. I believe she's passed away. What are you talking about, bro? What do you mean you believe she's passed away? Okay. So not possible to speak to her at this point, but there were videos. It's not possible to speak to her at this point. That's an understatement of the century, Gary, of some talks that she gave. She was very organized in this area and pulled together a lot of material and presented it. Uh so I enjoyed watching her her work. It's just that there was so little of it, unfortunately. Yeah. So my my takeaway after talking with her was Claude Poer, and I believe he is still with us. I think he's still around. Um I just haven't talked to him in several years. Let me jump back to the history for a moment. had a big story. Ningly did have one big story that happened in the very late 90s. I think it's 20202 in that time frame. It was called Taming Gravity. It was published in Popular Science, I believe. And again, I will put a link into that. It might have been Popular Mechanics. Taming Gravity was kind of Ning Lee's equivalent of the Charles Platt article. It wasn't as long, but it was certainly big. And I think that it helped to reinforce what it started with Poganov because he made these giant media headlines, you know, Wired magazine and all that. Now, now we've got, you know, popular science mechanics covering the Ning Lee doing the same thing. She was talking about AC gravity there. And so the next step after that was when she left the University of Alabama to found a startup called AC Gravity. That was the name of her effect and the startup. Um, from what I understand, she took a grant of $448,970. Okay. So, she got money and then she went dark, right? So, you know, for for folks who kind of wondered what that relationship was or where it went, um, again, Tor goes back to the beginning back to 1991. They did about a decade's worth of work together and then after that it just kind of you know she went her own direction I guess. Yeah. So I've got that and then let me see GL. Okay. So just to recap here first takeaway is that 90s are when the anti-gravity research whatever kind of seems to have taken off from the public perspective. But we're already getting underpinnings of they might have been working on this behind the scenes. Gary Stevenson, him or his boss were working on in the 80s. So, seems like publicly this stuff started to come out. Ningly goes dark. Pot question mark. We're going to find out what happens to pot. So, maybe they got sucked in. And what I've been saying is this is that these superconductors are what they're using inside of these orbs. Why? Because these are super powerful electromagnets. And this now allows them to achieve magnetic Tesla of like 17 or 20 or more, which is what they need for the plasma confinement. That's what they need for the confinement. And the thing about them is because they're ceramic, they can mold them. They can mold them. Why is molding them important? Because we want to turn them into donuts. We want to turn them into donuts. We need a ring. Apparently tooids are what you need. So, we need to turn our superconductors into donuts. Well, here we go. We've got the perfect thing. We weren't using these to spin around makes to make anti-gravity. We were using them to spin around to make fusion to make fusion happen. Something even better than anti-gravity. Although, really, you could say they're the same thing. Okay, here we go. Um, okay. Yeah. And Tony Robertson work. I'm going to skip the brittle superconductor part because I just explained it. Um, they got into trying to center these themselves and they had It's about to get [ __ ] yatsi-ish up in here, guys. Where's JK Philly fan? JK Philly fan, make your presence known. Make your presence known, JK Philly fan, thank you very much. Uh, Yaoa, I think it's Yaoa. Ning Lee was passionate about figuring out anti-gravity. Definitely. Gabe, thank you very much for that super sticker. Gabe, you the man. Eric, help. Super big super sticker. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. Okay, here we go. Many, many issues with breakage, cracks, defamations, things like that. And then there was another part of this that may have been related to secret sauce, which is this melt texturing on the outside of them. Yeah. And that's essentially I believe it was putting one layer of a superc conductor on top of another and then centering and you end up with kind of a basically a blayer device, right? You might think almost like significant because there are certain bilayer devices if you go from an S-wave to a D-wave or vice versa. You know, you could trigger a um a spin 2 transition which would result in a graviton. So it could be significant and I've looked at Georgio Fontana's work uh and looking at his work the so-called gazer the gravitational laser uh that's how it it operates. It has a dissimilar Joseph injunction where there's an S type uh a type one attached to a type two D type and then when you go through that barrier when you push photons through that barrier they're forcing spin two transitions which are gravitons. So you're saying what what if you force your photon through a Josephson junction it becomes a graviton. What? Holy [ __ ] Holy [ __ ] Spin to transition. Spin to transition is turning something into a graviton. Making a gravity wave. Holy [ __ ] I know he's not messing around. He just He's quoting Fontana right here. Fontana's paper. I've already read it like two years ago because I was talking to Tom Mtok about scalar waves and Tom Mtok brought up David Maker or I maybe I brought up David Maker. I think he brought up Fontana Modines. Moden is about to get a name drop in a second here. Holy [ __ ] Let's just go back like 15 seconds. The gravitational laser. Uh that's how it it operates. It has a dissimilar Joseph's injunction where there's an S type uh a type one attached to a type two D type and then when you go through that barrier when you push photons through that barrier uh they're forcing spin two transitions which are gravitons. Holy [ __ ] There's two different types of superconductors. Use two different types of superconductors. Oh my god. Holy [ __ ] S type and a DT type. I didn't know what the hell that meant. He's talking about the superconductor types that you can use. Whoa. Wow. How's How have I How am I hearing things that I've never heard before? How am I hearing things that I've never heard before? It's about to just get even weirder. So, you're essentially you're you're taking photon energy and you're remitting them as gravitons. Uh and so that may be one of the ways that this was working versus versus the current current zero point motion. Okay. So, it could have been a quantum effect. Yeah. So, one thing I want to highlight for the audience, this has been a major point of confusion going back for 20 something years. There are at least three different superconductor experiments. There is Toglin's rotating disc, right, which again around a 12 in. Oh, yeah. I was Tim Ventur just like glossing over that, bro. My man just told you you can jam a photon through a through a Joseph's injunction and it comes out as a gravity wave. What in the actual hell are we talking about here? How are you not saying a followup there? This is like Joe Rogan being handed a free energy microchip and just being like, "Oh, this can power my phone." Cool. That sounds pretty cool. Do Do you understand there's no plugs on the free energy microchip? Do you understand? He just said we're turning light into gravity waves using a microchip. Feel like people aren't understanding the significance of the words coming out of these people's mouths. And before people say, "Oh, the effect is too small. Don't worry, we're getting to that. We're getting to that. Um, YBCO superconductive disc spinning at several thousand RPM. There are something called the impulse generator and we'll get into that a little bit later. And then there are also highfrequency gravitational waves and there were various proposals for that and that's something you specialized in. You were very deep in waves at the time. So were the superconductors in that what kind of experiments were proposed there? Were they did they require these massive superconductors or was it small? Yeah. What what were you doing Gary Stevenson? Please tell us. As a matter of fact, uh we did propose a thin film version based on Fontana's design. Fontana originally when he published in 2007 on this recommended a boat design. Well, it's that's just a lot of material. So, it's a lot easier if you can get a thin film version to work, especially if if it's the transition that's forcing the gravitons. Anyway, all you really need is that junction and then Holy [ __ ] That's why you only need a thin film. Isn't this what like Dave Rossi and Sal Pis were talking about? My interviews with them, but you just need like this thin film superconductor or whatever. And he's saying, "Oh, we did a Fontana design, but we didn't need it to be this like thick bulk material. That's too complicated. Just make it a thin bulk material because or thin material because we just need the transition to happen. That's all we need. We just need the transition to occur." Holy [ __ ] squids, Josephin junctions, what the hell material around it uh that you have you have enough photons that are emitted or gravitons that are emitted, photons that are pushed in, gravitons that are emitted out. It's essentially transducer type device and you could it's a transducer type device. A transducer changes energy from one form into another. That's what transduction means. So, he's saying you're changing light into gravity waves using this type of device. Okay, first of all, chat, if you're wondering why we don't have this everywhere right now, it's cuz the military has it. The military has it and nobody else is allowed to have it. I mean, that's pretty much the answer, right? If you're wondering why we don't have it, people are like, "If they had this, if this was real, we would be flying around in the Jetsons." And I go, "Oh, damn. You you are a prisoner who doesn't realize you're in the prison still. Oh boy. You can run it in either direction essentially. You can you can run it gravitons to photons or photons to gravitons. He was always working on the generator side which is pushing photons to gravitons across that interface forcing essentially forcing spin two transitions. You can do it either way. Wait a minute. What in the hell is the dynamic casemir effect doing? How is the dynamic casemir effect producing light now? Now that I think about it, right? Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm going, "Wait a minute. He just said using a Joseph's injunction, you can convert gravity waves back into light." Also, now I dynamic Casmir effect must be doing something else because it doesn't use a Joseph's injunction, but wow. Okay. I mean, I'm learn I just learned something huge today that I had no idea about. No idea. Yeah. Hold up. Like, just we're turning gravity waves into light and light back into gravity waves. You know the other thing that this reminds me of chat? Sonol luminescence. Sonol luminescence. Why? Because it may turn out that that sound. What if sound is a gravity? It's a process called sonol luminescence. The first time I saw sonoluminescence was in a darkened room. I was transfixed to look at the sun. spherical flask of fluid and you look into the center and in the center see a uh a glowing blue purple light. Uh soundwave produces Got to mute that sound though. Sound can produce light. H interesting man. This is wild. This interview is so wild man. Oh, let me hit these donuts I just saw pop up. Holy crap, Amir. Wow, huge donation. So much gratitude for all your efforts, Ashton. Even when you get push back from big names, you still stick to your convictions. Keep this up and you'll tip the scales and the truth will come out. It is inevitable. Much love to all of you here. Thank you so much for that. That's just a huge donation. I agree. I think it's all going to eventually come out. It's coming out one way or another. The trick now is getting ahead of it. We now have to figure out where is the technology right now and which of these people is in the no. Specifically, which of these fusion companies is working with the CIA? They already know how it works and they're just basically waiting for the green light to be allowed to become trillionaires or whatever the hell they're about to do, which is presumably what's going to happen. So, if we can expose that before that happens, it would go a long way to curing some of the the horrible crap happening in in this world at the moment. Uh, shout out to the pled chat and rumble chat as well. I see you guys out there. Thank you very much. Let's pull this up and let's get back to this. So, that's what he published on. And so, that was certainly one one technique. Another technique uh that Bob Baker recommended used pole electric crystals and it's the mechanical motion of those crystals and if it's the third derivative and they have they have to have a quadripole moment in order to make a gravitational wave. What you can use pole electric crystals? Isn't that what Salvador Pis's high temperature superconductor patent is? Uses po electricity. I'm pretty sure it is. I'm pretty sure he just described Salvatore Pyus high temperature superconductor patent. You can you can bias them so that there's an array of these that have a quadripole moment. If you have a third derivative of a quadripole moment, a mechanical system can generate a gravitational wave. And that's how these black hole collisions generate gravitational waves. You need a quadruple moment, which by the way, I've only posted one research paper, not scientific paper, research paper by Dave Rossi, and it was something about quadruple oscillations back in like October of 20 or maybe November or December of 2023. Quadruple oscillation, something or other. So you can produce a gravity wave with a mechanical device if you have quadruple oscillation according to Gary Stevenson right here. They have that component. That's the important component to make a gravitational wave. It's just that the effect is astronomically smaller when you're not dealing with two colliding black holes. Okay. Then the question is can can you get any mechanical device to get any meaningful level uh that's measurable and then how are you going to measure it? Right? So so you need a detector on the other end if you're going to measure what's what's being emitted. Uh and I know that Bob spent a lot of time with Venue Lee in China working on that that Lee Baker detector scheme uh which was very sensitive. It's like down to 10 the minus 35 delta L over L which is you know parts parts to 10us 35 of length chain quadripole not quadruple quadripole guys quadripole four poles imagine an oscillator like that. Now the other thing I want to point out here is you just said how do you detect it? So producing a gravity wave is one thing but how do you detect it? How do you detect your gravity wave? Because the detection threshold is extremely tiny. Extremely tiny. So, not only to produce it, but you also have to be able to detect it. And so, that's what he's talking about here is how did they come up a way to detect change was was where it was measuring. The question then became um is that above or below the background noise for gravitational waves at high spectrum? We were talking about using gigahertz spectrums uh which how much is naturally occurring? Gigahertz spectrums. I can't remember what gigahertz spectrums are but that's pretty high there. So, so that's where the work of Lina Gchuk came in because he and Roeno had been looking at the cosmic background to try to suggest based on different cosmologies how much gravitational w background is there out there and if it's below the 10 to theus 35 it might still be useful as a communication device. If it's if it's way below the natural background it's not useful at all. So we we we were trying to measure u we're trying to gauge at least not measure because we never built any of these devices. We're trying to gauge would it be worthwhile to build these devices at these kinds of uh strain levels which were really small. Okay, I got to play another clip. I got to play another clip, man. Um, so there's Gary Stevenson saying, "Okay, even if this energy level is really small of this background gravitational waves, even if that energy level is super small, we might still be able to make a detector. Even if you can't make or we might be able to make a communication quantum communication device." That's what he's saying. quantum communication device. So we might still be able to make a quantum communication device even if this background gravitational you know think of it as like the the stress of the spaceime is really small even if the zero point energy is really small let's say um where is it here it is a great demand uh and also it came to light through uh conversations with Dave Rossi that there may also be other people wanting to work on justice injunction type communication equipment uh for instance since Hal Puth's name came up as possibly working in this area. And so when we for instance approached Star Cryogenics with this notion, they said, "I'm sorry, but we're already committed to a to another design team." So, wow. Wow. He's not just talking the talk, chat. He's not just talking the talk. Oh my god. My god. Yeah. No, I appreciate you sharing that because that kind of brings us to a major inflection point in the story, I think. Um, so some of the key figures, the ones that I can remember, definitely Dr. Robert Baker Jr., Dave Cronin, Dr. Fangu Lee in China, and I believe Fangu Lee had a HFGW lab as well as grad students. He actually had a pretty big undertaking for a while. Uh, Dr. Martin Tyimar, and there were several others publishing papers. Who do you think he's about to name right here? You can't make this [ __ ] up. Who is Gary Stevenson about to name? Just a second ago, Tim Ventur is just listing off these gravity wave researchers, people that have, you know, provided to the community for gravity wave research. Who is Gary Stevenson about to name right now? I can't believe this [ __ ] Haway. He has that lab in Canada. Haway. Okay. Haway. George Hathaway in Canada. one of the authors of one of the derds, George Hathaway, the one where we found his lab and he's researching negative energy and all this [ __ ] that we've been talking about that George Haway friends with Hal Pudof the Morad even though he was Paul Morad of the Air Force like sort of the program manager for a lot of the stuff he did the project the project manager I'm just waiting for him to drop drop Frank me right now I mean what are we talking about here. Paul Morad is like the other project manager on a lot of these papers along with Frank me lot of work and vetted a lot of work too. So I I think Morad was for help officer and Eric Davis had had how Pudaf and Eric Davis dude what what are we talking about now chat? Do you really still think the videos are fake chat? Do you really think the videos are still fake? We're not just messing with big oil. We're messing with everybody. We're messing with everybody. Chat, for the last week, I've just been wondering why am I still alive? Why am I still alive? I am pissing off got to be the energy companies, all the defense contractors, the ones that are spying on us, the ones that are making magical orb technology like Lockheed Sierra Nevada Corporation. Um, the CIA must want to kill me like none other. Like none other. I'm revealing nuclear secrets. I'm revealing the fact that we figured out fusion was also manipulating spaceime and weaponized it. Why am I still alive? I mean, you got to really wonder, right? They've probably killed people for less. But here's the rub. Bureaucracy. Bureaucracy is probably keeping me alive. Bureaucracy. Because they can't just technically assassinate an American citizen. Not from the government perspective. It have to be extra judicial, right? Like the defense contractors would have to send their military people after me that are technically not government employees. But I think that we've caught them in this catch22 situation where there's no easy justification due to the natural circumstances of how this has occurred because this occurred in a way where nobody gave me illegal information because I didn't hack into anything. I didn't do anything illegal. Somehow this has created a situation and where they want to stop it, but they have no way to do it legally. They have no legal way to stop this from happening. I mean, they could make something up. They could do an OP or what have you, sure, but they don't have an above the board way. No above the board way. Now, keep that in mind. And I'm not leaving the United States. You are out of your mind if you think I'm leaving the United States. No way in hell. But I also don't give a [ __ ] I really, really don't give a [ __ ] If anything were to happen to me, this thing is only going to escalate even further. So, they can't really do that if they wanted to. I literally just dare them. Go ahead, do it. I don't even really want to be I don't even want to do this. this. I don't want to be a social media influencer. I've repeatedly considered just shutting it down and not even live stream anymore because I never wanted to do this [ __ ] I should not be the person who has to do this. I want to be on the sidelines watching somebody else do this because it's entertaining, but it's not really fun for the person who has to do it. But anyway, I sidetracked too much. Here we go. Research this area for many years. I already mentioned Jersey Fontana. Uh Doug Toro we've been talking about. I just mentioned Grech and Reeno as is as the Russians involved in this and then uh I think Clyde Woods because he was looking at the material properties from electrical point of view of superconductors optically and electrically how do they behave and how would they behave with spin 2 um particles like gravitons and so he did he did some work uh on the superconducting aspects I appreciate you listing them that that helps us live woods is another one that he mentioned before that I haven't dug into too much yet but I'll put them on the list collect this so there was a major change and I I was pretty close to this in terms of time when I got into this area. I didn't realize it then. Now it's much more apparent before this before the 2003 MITER high frequency gravitational wave conference. You essentially had kind of this loose collection of people. Ningly and Pogllinoff were kind of the two focus areas because of all this media attention and then after that you had this single event that brought everyone together and you really had this community start to form, right? And so I did want to mention Gravity Conference. Yeah. Yeah. So uh and that I believe that was in the clean Virginia at the MITER building. It was I think it was Paul Morad and Bob Baker were the co-chairs of that and what Paul Morad and Bob Baker were the co-chairs. Bob Baker who won a lifetime achievement award who's a Loheed Martin engineer won a lifetime achievement award in 2011 for high frequency gravity waves. He's got like 20 papers on high frequency gravity waves. Like 20. It was insane how many I found. And a couple of them are co-authored with this guy right here, Gary Stevenson. There he is. You're looking at him. That's how I found Gary. Um, okay. They were the ones co-chairing the MITER conference. And Paul RD was a DIA guy, but he was like, you know, we could hire a bunch of spies to spend millions of dollars to try to infiltrate their labs, or we could just invite them over. He was he was a pragmatist, right? We could just invite him over and, hey, what are you guys working on? And and ask them that way. So you being way more pragmatic was was quite a brilliant stroke and helped form a global community. So what the [ __ ] We don't have to run any operations on them. Let's just invite them over for dinner. Ask them what they're working on. They're awkward ass engineers. They'll just tell us. We can just literally just control them. Holy [ __ ] These guys are just meeting up with the spooks. Paul Morad was a DIA guy. Okay, it's all starting to become clear now. It's all starting to become clear. There's infighting going on. There's infighting going on in the intelligence community. That's the reason why I'm still alive. You know what? I don't even know who's on what side. I'm gonna throw my allegiance right now knowing literally nothing, right? I'm with the DIA. I'm with the DIA. [ __ ] the CIA. [ __ ] the CIA. I'm on the DIA side. I don't even know who's on what side, but I'm on the DIA side. I just know the people that put out those durs, those people presumably want the world to know the truth. If you authored the derds and you put the derds out there and got them released, then you're trying to tell people how the science works because the derds are the answer. In fact, spoiler alert, this entire interview is just a rehash of Bob Baker's superconductivity dirt. Literally, it's this whole thing is just a rehash of it. Yep. They even say so at the end of this. The part that I can't get over. They just invite them over for dinner. Hey, come over for dinner. Oh, you're working on gravity wave [ __ ] Well, that's dope, but it's classified now. What? What do you mean? It's called restricted data. You don't know about it. Restricted data. This is real, by the way, chat. I'm not making this up. Restricted data means if you say something related to nuclear research, it doesn't even have to be published. It's just born secret. Born secret. I'm literally trying to push the buttons to get them to come at me with the restricted data. That's what I'm trying to do with the fusion and nuclear stuff. I want them to come at me and tell me that I have to stop talking about it. We'll get there. Don't worry, it'll happen. Just a matter of time. But holy [ __ ] man. I can't get over the fact that they just invite them over for dinner. They just invite them over for dinner. There is no way. I mean, Gary's got to be intelligence, right? He's got to be, dude. Got to be. I mean, either he's intelligence or he's like, you know, connected to the intelligence community. He's just way too smart. I can just tell when someone is way too smart. And what Gary's saying here is like a lot, but also at the same time, he's being careful about what he says. It did. I got to say it again. I got to hear that again. Paul Morad is the one that came up with this. It's actually mentioned conference. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, and that I believe that was in the clean Virginia at the MITER building. It was I think it was Paul Morad and Bob Baker were the co-chairs of that and and Paul Mad was a DIA guy, but he was like, you know, we could hire a bunch of spies to spend millions of dollars to try to infiltrate their labs or we could just invite them over. He was he was a pragmatist, right? We just invite them over and hey, what are you guys working on and and ask them that way? So, Apek is a total scop. 100%, bro. Ape is a definite scop, dude. He's just saying exactly what they do. They just showed up at Chance Glenn's laboratory. They just showed up at Chance Glenn's laboratory. There's like seven of them show up to this dude's laboratory who's doing gravity wave research. Why? Because the best approach isn't to like do some elaborate million-dollar psychological operation. Just fly out to their lab and see if they'll have you do an interview. Like check their do an interview. You'll see how close they are. Right. What is Gary Stevenson doing with Chance Glenn? He's trying to figure out how close he is. That's what Gary Stevenson is doing. Gary Stevenson knows how this works. You don't do an interview like this where you're like, "Oh, yeah. We're just converting the photons into spin to gravity particles." What? Bro, what? No, he knows how this [ __ ] works. So, he's going there. These guys are going there. They're going to figure out how pe how close people are. So, I feel bad for the other Ape people that think that like, oh, they're being given a chance to present their work. Yeah, in a way they are. To the people that are going to gatekeep it. to the people that are going to gatekeep it. This is why people freaked out when Pawns and Flechman went public because Pawns and Fleshman probably knew that this was all a big scam and they were like, "Let's not even go through the peerreview process. Let's just go straight to the media and they went straight to the media because they knew this was all just some [ __ ] scam." And they showed that there was abnormal energy. They showed that, you know, there there was fusion happening and they had dozens of replications and they still got crucified. They still got crucified because there's no stopping the government. The government has unlimited power because they control people's minds. They control people's minds. Being way more pragmatic was was quite a brilliant stroke and helped form a global community. So it did. It did. And and there was there was a lot of emails online collaboration. I was like CCed in a few of those emails and you know it was kind of like all the different suspects and they were tossing back and forth ideas and working on say there were problems. Uh the first gravitational wave conference a bunch of the Chinese couldn't get vis and uh the second one we got both the Russians and the Chinese all in the same room with the Americans and Europeans. But then the third one was already getting to the place where Russia wasn't cooperating with anybody and so it was just the Chinese and the Americans at that stage. Well, let me let me ask more about that. So the only conference that I'm aware of was the HFGW 2003 conference. These other two were they the same same they were follow ones. Yeah. And so so uh 2007 I didn't know this at the time was funded by ATF. So this was uh this was an investigation of gravitational waves that was prompted by the behavior of UAPs. And so this this early UAP task force ATIP had some money to go look at some of these areas including gravitational waves. There was some suspicion that they're being used somehow. Uh, and so they pulled together all these experts at at Hadal's shop at Hal Puthoff's uh, shop in Austin, Texas. I think it's called Earth Tech. Earth. I think it's called Earth Tech. Gary, shut the [ __ ] up, Gary. You don't know what Hal Pudof's company is called. I think it's called Earth Tech. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're not best buds with Hal Pudof. Let's just Can we stop pretending? Can we just stop pretending? There is no way you're dro name dropping this guy and you don't have like an open line of communication. He's probably on your hot tile. Oh yeah. What was his what was his uh company's name again? Uh this reminds me when Lu Alzando was like trying to pretend like he didn't know who Steven Greer was. Lu Alzando tried his best to pretend like he didn't know who Steven Greer was and it just come off as like awkward. It's like oh what company is he working for? Oh. Oh yeah, it's uh it's Earth Tech. Jesus. this this world, man. Same time, too. So, I remember Eric in and out of the room and they got us all in a skiff and it was it struck me as very strange at the time. And they got they got us all in a skiff uh shop in Austin, Texas. I think it's called Earth Tech were there at the same time, too. So, I remember Eric in and out of the room and they got us all in a skiff and it was it struck me as very strange at the time. Here we are, you know, the world superpowers all working together at the same time on the same thing. What prompted this? Right. Well, what prompted it was was the UAP thing, which they didn't inform us of what they're why why they were interested. All right, then. Keep your secret. I had to play it, chat. Sorry. Also, I had to play this one. Oh, I can't believe the words I'm hearing right now. I can't believe the words that I'm hearing right now. Gary Stevenson was with Hal Pudof and Eric Davis and Earth Tech in Austin in a skiff with Russian and Chinese gravity wave researchers doing some [ __ ] having a casual conversation in a skiff about UFO and gravity wave stuff and you just pretended like why were you pretending like you didn't know what Hal Puda's company's name was? Who is that for? Who is that for? This reminds me of the the Rick and Morty skit where he pretends like he doesn't know where who Iron Man is. Why are you pretending like you don't know who Hal Pudof is? You're literally just telling me in the next sentence that you were in his place in a skiff with him talking about UFOs and gravity waves. I cannot believe this [ __ ] right now. What is this interview? Can I have more interviews like this? Can I interview Gary Stevenson? That will be an amazing interview. That will be an amazing one. I want to know what he thinks about inertial confined fusion. Uh dense plasma focus uh propulsion mechanisms and uh teleportation would be another thing I'm very curious about his thoughts on because anybody that can make a gravity wave microchip, which is exactly what Gary Stevenson was describing earlier, should be able to figure out that we should be able to make a wormhole pretty easily or at least a warp drive at a very minimum. Holy crap. All we knew was they brought us all together to work on high frequency gravitational waves. Okay, so I wasn't aware of this conference at all. Nobody was aware of this. I don't think anybody in the world was aware that this happened until he just said so right now. In fact, the UFO community should probably be talking about this. I feel like I mean Eric Davis is sort of sitting in the middle of your guys UFO whistleblower things like Eric Davis is. And this is Gary Stevenson saying he was in the skiff with Eric Davis and Hal Pudof, who's Eric Davis's boss, talking about gravity wave research related to UFOs. Chad, are we just in crazy town? Are we the only sane people on this world? I feel like I'm exposing like the biggest conspiracy ever here. And practically, I mean, sure, there's a lot of people watching right now, but in the cosmic scheme of things, there's like, what the hell, man? How are people not paying attention to this? They just not know what these words mean. Send you some uh pictures uh that's that Hal and I took and I think Davis took some pictures, too. Send me the pictures. Send me the pictures. I want those pictures. I want to post those pictures all over social media as well, if that's allowed. Holy [ __ ] Conference. It lasted a week. Just like it lasted a week. A week. That's not a conference. That's a vacation. A week. Contact in the desert was only 4 days. These people go on a week-l long vacation. How PAD's probably holding them up in like a chateau and they just go around and talk about secret gravity research and UFOs. [ __ ] Sign me up. Sign me up. How much do I have to pay? I I'll pay. I'll do that. What are we talking about? What is this? What are these guys doing? What the hell is going on here? Yeah, somebody whoever mentioned Epstein Island. I mean, now we know that, you know, Stephven Hawking. I mean, what was that man into? I don't want to say ill about him, but did he like him young or what's the deal? Jesus. And then here, here's the other thing. Do they have their own skiff? The way that he just described that to me or to us was he's saying I went to Hal Pudof's in that's Austin, Texas, but then they were just in a skiff together. So does Hal Pudof just have access to a skiff if he needs one. A skiff is a secure government facility where they have like armed guards and they take your phone when you go inside. You have to go through all these protocols. That's what makes it a skiff. They just have these on on demand. Now it makes sense why the arrow officer that I spoke to was jerking off Hal Pudof so hard in the phone. I couldn't believe this Arrow officer was just like giving fellatio to Hal Pudof over the phone with me. And I'm sitting here wondering, dude, what? I'm going, I'm the guy telling you that Hal Pudof is the one at the center of all this and you're telling me how much of a great guy he is? Dude, this arrow officer literally owes me. You guy out there, you owe me because I haven't said your name. And oh my god, do I want to say your name so bad. So badly. It's not that anybody would know your name, but I know that you spoke to Jeremy Corbel and these other [ __ ] [ __ ] So for me to say your name would prove that I spoke to the Arrow officer and what have you. What I've realized, I don't give a [ __ ] about Arrow and I don't care about Congress either. They're all retards. They don't know [ __ ] So, and I mean that's that's not true about Arrow. Arrow knows in their gatekeeping. So, I know there's no chance they're going to let this come out. So, that's why I just don't care about Arrow at all. But what I do want to do is expose them. I want to expose them because Hal Pudof's at the center of all this. And if they're jerking Hal Pudof off, giving them little HJs on the phone to random people they just talked to and just met, then yeah, Hal Pudof's in the middle of all this [ __ ] And they know, they've all known. And that arrow officer knew right away. That arrow officer looked at those MH370 videos and he knew they were real instantly. You got to be out your damn mind if you think some arrow officer that works in intelligence doesn't recognize Gorgon stare and color fleer footage on an MQ9 drone. No, he knew it was real instantly and he [ __ ] owes me for not saying his name because he [ __ ] knows those videos are real. No question, no doubt. Um, sorry I got sidetracked on that, but I think it's really important because this is just pissing me off listening to this because I know they're covering this [ __ ] up and a lot of people are covering it up. People wonder, how could they cover up something like this? It turns out everybody just wants to [ __ ] lie and enrich themselves. They all do. Nobody's got a noble bone in their body. It's crazy. It's crazy. They're just literally like, "Oh, I'm in the military, so I just have to do whatever the military tells me. There's nothing I can ever do against the military. Even if it's just completely morally wrong. And that's how they keep us everybody in line. Believe it, don't believe it, I don't care. Oh, okay. Before I get too upset, uh, at MIT and they even had like a river cruise down Austin that the wife [ __ ] river cruise chat. A [ __ ] river cruise. Free energy for everybody. Nah, let's take the wives on a river cruise. Take the wives out on a river cruise. That's what that's what's important. My god, chat. To come along with us. And so Nancy got a chance to meet the Russian wives and so on. Uh and so it was quite a quite a pleasant conference. Al's a very good host. Okay. So 2007 was was one follow-up. You mentioned there was another one after that. Yeah, I think it was 2017. I can look up the date. And that was hosted by the Chinese that was in Changdu. So they they had invited the Russians and and Iranians but it was we were starting to have a lot of conflict with the Russians and the Russians didn't show up. Uh and by then uh Grischuk had left Moscow and he was working at Cardiff in England. So the Russians stopped showing up. Yeah. Probably because they got played and China was probably getting played before too. And that's why when we zapped the plane out of the sky, China realized that Yeah. We're you know they realized what their position was. Yeah, I I can't get over the the river cruise [ __ ] man. Anyway, the Chinese I think he was in poor health. Uh he he later later passed away. And there's a there's a wonderful um uh documentary that the Ukrainians made. He's actually Ukrainian, but he was trained in Moscow right during the USSR days because he just says another important geopolitical thing. He's actually Ukrainian, guys. There's like differentiating between Ukrainians and Russians is like differentiating between Texans and other Americans. Like technically there might be some difference, but they're ethnically all the same people. Like people don't understand. Like we stand with Ukraine. What the [ __ ] are you talking about, man? How would you feel if Russians were like, "We stand with Texas against the the the 49 states." You'd be like, "What the [ __ ] are you talking about? This isn't your home." You'd be like, "You aren't us. You have no say in this matter." Right? That's how you would act if like Russia were backing Texas. That's like what us backing Ukraine is. Ukraine was part of the USSR. They broke apart. It wasn't a thousand years ago. They broke apart in the late 80s and early 90s. It wasn't that long ago. One generation ago. One generation. Jesus, man. It didn't matter what what republic you came from. If you were really a brilliant guy, you still got sent to Moscow. Uh and so he he quite often worked for and represented the Russians, but he was really Ukrainian. Uh and so he didn't come. And then uh Rodenko didn't show up. So, I think we didn't really have any Russian representation at the third one, but the Americans got a lot done. Baker was there. Uh, an Andrew Beckwith was there with me. We had we had a fourth American scientist. And so, we worked with the Chinese pretty much exclusively at that conference. Yeah, it was just the two groups. I appreciate I'm going to skip ahead a little bit just because we're I don't want to go too far here, but this part is also really interesting. I can't believe the stuff that Gary Stevenson brings up in this interview. So, there's another major event that I spoke about um on Tim Pool and I've spoken about a lot of podcasts that includes a lot of the people that I was just talking about. So, if you know or can guess what it is, which scientific event have I been talking about, I'll even give you a hint. It happened in the '9s. Happened in the '9s. Thank you, Birding Rubber. I appreciate it, man. Have a good night. Uh Paul, I don't know what your deal is, but uh giving you a timeout. Time out. Just chill out. I'm not a liar. If you think I'm a liar, you probably just have a mental problem. That's the reality. I mean, you don't want to accept it, but I don't care. You just can't be in my chat raging out. Okay, here we go. 2005. I'd have to check my records on 2004. I may not have gone to that one. Yeah. So the the ISNPS state again for the audience that was the big space nuclear conference and it had you know like all of the guys from Los Alamos and Sandia Albuquerque, right? Yeah. Yeah. They let him out once a year. So just ro their coattails. Yeah. And and um St had so many brilliant topics. There was section E. Uh I absolutely loved what they covered. Um and they were basically on states colonization things like that. I didn't go to those at the time. Yeah. Yeah. And then section F was all on emerging propulsion. And like you like you said earlier about this other conference, this was kind of a greatest hits in terms of researchers. I remember in 2006 we had pretty much all of the big names there, right? You had Dr. Martin Tyear who had made headlines repeatedly. Um the Austrian Eric Davis I mean Yeah. Yeah. What was driving implication? Yeah. The impediment for this in that area in the early 2000s was of course NASA's breakthrough propulsion physics program. So this this gave the BPP uh researchers a place to show their wares to show their work. the breakthrough the NASA breakthrough physics propulsion uh what do they call it uh mechan what do they bpp is what they call the breakthrough physics propulsion run by Mark Milis we looked all through it and includes all the research it includes all the research that we have been talking about all the research we've been talking about guys is in there. How insane is that? And uh so the NASA breakthrough propulsion thing like Gary is basically given a history the same history lesson on gravity wave research that I've been giving. I mean I'm only giving it because I've literally learned it from these guys but you get the point. You get the point. And so because of NASA's I know I think it was uh Mark Milis is that is that the right name is the program manager for that because because of Mark's money and his you know his generosity for this community we got a lot of research done under the opaces of the break physics program the Europeans at least the Brits felt sufficiently left out that they formed their own program at BAE systems called greenlow uh and it it wanted to do the same thing they didn't have the same funding level so they weren't able to get as much interest over on that side of the pond but I think there was also Robert Kasanova at NASA right and I'm NASA institute for advanced yeah I don't know him uh Bob Chambers I Robert Chambers was was on the British side. Yeah. Robert. So anyway, um they also needed a venue to present and so they were also presenting at at this conference. Yeah. At the time at the state conferences. So those those were some of the driving that led to um section F. Yeah. And then after section F because ISNPS closed down the state conference. Uh Glenn Tony Robertson started the STEF conference and I wasn't familiar with this until he sent over basically a list of all the papers. He was doing reviewing on these papers. This was just as big as STA except that he was taking this on. He had been a co-chair for STA along with Paul athlet conference, right? Yeah. He did the whole thing and he chaired Fisa by himself and there must have been 80 or 90 papers a year. So that's okay. I've got Bob Baker's website chat. I've got his website up. Okay, we are Oh [ __ ] this is happening in real time. What do we got here? Gravwave LLC Gravwave LLC Q&A Jason report on high frequency gravity waves first encounter with extra intelligent extraterrestrial beings. Search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Military applications. Wait a minute. Look at this. 2007 workshop. Here we go. Holy [ __ ] Holy [ __ ] Holy [ __ ] This is the workshop. Eric W. Davis. Wait, can you guys not Why can't you see the picture? Are you guys not seeing what I'm sharing? Wait, why are you guys not see Oh, I'm at Okay. Holy [ __ ] Just hold on a sec. They It created a new window. Here you go. Holy [ __ ] Wow. 2007 Austin you Institute of Austin Studies Texas. This is this is the one that he was just talking about. Wow. Eric Davis is the co-chair of the workshop. I don't even know what do these chairs mean. There's just like an honorary role. There's Fang. So Fang was the one from China working on the gravity wave research. My dude needs to wear a beanie or something though. Giorgio Fontana. Holy smokes. Wow. He was there. So this is the Russian guy Gishchuk. Okay. Joshy, is he from India? Yeah. So they basically got everybody together. Lee from China. Another Lee. And then Hal Pudof, co-chair of the workshop. Wow. 2007 gravity wave workshop. A week Gary Stevenson. Holy [ __ ] man. Holy [ __ ] There he is. What? I just want to read this. Gary Stevenson re received his BS degree in physics from Montana State University in 1983 and then for 16 years he was at University of California Purdue University of Washington in physics and electrical engineering sigm five sigma physics honorary past member of some organizations AIA or doublea uh aerospace optical division of ITT where he performed research Arch development and systems designs. Okay. And then through 1997 he returns Hughes as a system engineer where he was responsible for electrooptical EO systems engineering. Wait what? He built electrooptical cameras. Wow. um an airborne infrared tracking sensor for the US Army. And he prepared proposals for Eagle, tactical high energy laser. Bro, Gary is definitely definitely a black project engineer. Holy [ __ ] chat. Holy [ __ ] Wow. Satellite system. He been working as a system engineer at Boeing where he's been in the system design of electromagnetic mission equipment and systems. Holy [ __ ] What is happening right now? This is his background. You have got to be kidding me. Stephvenson is an expert on the Gersinstein effect. Gersonenstein effect utilized for both generation and detection of high frequency gravity waves. This was from 2007. There's Clive Woods. There's Yang. Okay. And then a bunch of Chinese guys who I don't recognize. And then Christine Black. I wonder if we can find Christine Black. Bonnie Baker. That's presumably his wife. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Let's finish this. Let's finish this interview. My goodness. Yeah. Gary's definitely black projects. No question. You don't I mean what was his open credentials are that he's like helping build satellite and what sounded like early versions of whammy systems and EO electrol optical sensors. Wow. Okay. Don't worry for the people watching. We're not done yet. A lot to try to take on from one guy. They just didn't have the same Well, because they had University of New Mexico help support them on Yeah. on the state conferences, right? So they had a whole infrastructure there which which Tony just didn't have you know so I think it only lasted a couple years what he was doing. Yeah I it was an amazing effort when I learned what went into it I was just blown away. Um so another experiment I mentioned this earlier was the force beam experiment in 2001 Eugene Penoff and Giovani Modies published a force beam paper entitled impulse gravity generator based on charged YBCO superconductor with composite crystal structure. This was very different than Pogcon's first experiment. People mix this up all the time and and that's why I want to clarify this. In the force beam experiment, they describe a high energy electrical discharge from a Marx generator onto a stationary superconductor. And so, let me let me illustrate. Let me highlight the differences there. Again, in the first pawn clonoff experiment, you had a 12-in diameter rotating superconductor conductor going at several thousand RPM. They claimed that it created a column of reduced gravity above it. Right? In the second experiment, you had something more or less similar to a hockey p. It was a smaller superconductor. believe it was 4 inch diameter and they literally just nailed this thing with a massive discharge from a generator. Electrical discharge. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. They just dropped a ton of it. How much charge do you think they dropped on this superconductor? So for the second experiment, PClov said they took this superconductor and they just blasted it with electric charge. How much electric charge do you think they blasted it with? Answer is a lot. A lot. And there were specific parameters to it. If I remember correctly, it was inside of a magnetic field. Um, there were definitely parameters to the distance, the voltage, I believe it was 500,000 to a million volts. It was way up there. Massive pulse of energy. The interesting thing, the thing that caught my eye about this, I I did an interview with Pllinoff and really drilled down on this. They claimed this experiment produced a beam of gravitational force capable of crushing brick and warping 1 in steel. So crushing brick. They claimed that the beam they did, they zapped the superconductor with a huge amount of voltage. By the way, spoiler alert, a million volts. A million volts. Blast it with a million volts and they could crush brick and bend steel with it. They weren't talking about, you know, minute changes in force. They were talking about something that was you could propel spacecraft. Unfortunately, it probably has weapons applications. All sorts of really big picture. Fortunately, it has weapons applications. Yeah, I'd say it has applications. Also, shout out to Timura, guys. Give him a follow. Amazing interview. really good stuff. I don't even hold him against him if he actually is CIA or whatever is going on. I don't even really care, guys. I don't care at this point at the world's all messed up. Who cares who's on what what team or whatever things, right? And so that was the second experiment. People mix those two up, but they need to delineate between those two. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, right. So, I don't know if you're familiar with the work of David Maker, but he he outlined he just name dropped David Maker. David Maker was the one that I was talking about with um Tom Mtok. Tom Mtok was familiar with his work because it's all about scalar physics. Then scalar physics is about the science of understanding gravity waves. If I were to explain it at 512 kilovolts, something called the vortex impulse force. So it may also have been that they were trying to hit that vortex impulse voltage uh because there's there's a natural resonance there supposedly in freeze. So what he's saying here, somebody was asking, do they does Gary Stevenson thinks there's a phase transition moment? Yes, there must be a phase transition. That's what he's essentially saying. The Gersinstein effect is essentially saying if we zap this thing with enough voltage, classic electronamics falls apart. We see a different effect. We see a scalar effect. I showed this I want to say several months ago. Um I forget what the guy's name is. Master Evo, I think, had a great demonstration that showed the curving electromagnetic fields and he said if you apply this huge voltage above 20 to 30,000 volts, those fields become scalar instead of curving. That's the idea of what we see here. We see some sort of transition occur above a certain energy level. I I don't know that you know David Maker's work is is very outside the mainstream. So, I don't know if that was the impetus for them to do it that way or not, but it's it's a funny coincidence that it's right there at 512 kilt. That is interesting. And I think I believe that 512 kilovolts. So, 512,000 volts. That was the level 512,000 volts. And he's saying that that was the same level David Maker showed that we could produce gravity waves. So, if you want to know how many volts it takes, I would say let's start with 512,000. Let's start there. 512,000 volts. Now we have a number. May have banned the voltage, but it was way out there. We'll have to look at that. That's a pretty crazy reference to just pull out of your ass, by the way, to just be like, "Oh, yeah. You ever heard of David Maker? 512,000 volts. There you go." Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, I do have a couple more notables, and some of this kind of I took a break from this area, and so some of the stuff happened kind of after I took a break from it. Um, in October 2008, the Jason Defense Science Advisory Panel dismissed claims that high frequency gravitational waves could pose any kind of national security threat. And this I view this as a mixed blessing. I learned about this several years after the fact. The Jason panel, which I believe was led by Dr. Ron Pandalfi, did not site pause. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's the one name you don't say. That's like saying Voldemort's name. You don't say that name. He who shall not be named. Ron Pandalfi, CIA spook. He's now connected to this. The same Ron Pandalfi. I have a literal live stream over his middle school level emails that I get from this douchebag. Are you [ __ ] kidding me right now? Are you [ __ ] kidding me right now? The only question I have now is Ron Pandalfi and the CIA just complete [ __ ] retards and they just didn't think any of this stuff was real and they still don't or do they know it's all real and they were using this to try to hide it and make it go away? I'm leaning towards the second one, but the maturity level of his emails really make me think that he might actually just be totally [ __ ] It's really hard for me to decide. I'm I'm just really torn between the two options. It's possible that the CIA is just completely incompetent and somehow what we're seeing is defense contractor stuff and the CIA is just full of idiots who can't do anything. Or the CIA is evil and they literally started a tribunal against a guy over technology they knew worked. Okay, keep going. Tell me more. Dolphie requested this particular hearing of the Jasons. And so this was one of the things Dolphie requested this hearing. The Jason group is this secret scientist group that basically we get these people together. They're probably all black project engineers. And they decide is this person damaging national security by teaching people how to make fusion bombs or some [ __ ] like that. Presumably that's what they do. So not only did we just decide like, hey, why infiltrate the scientists? Let's just invite them over to for dinner, but then we also turn them into a tribunal where we can use them and weaponize them against anybody else who tries to develop this techn this technology. Jesus chat, these people just find ways to piss me off more and more and more. Every summer, the Dasons would be handed a list of I don't know, five questions or half a dozen questions and say, "Hey, this summer this is what you guys we want you to look at this." And so they they convened every summer when they weren't at school because they're all prophets. They convened every summer when they're not at school because they're all professors. That's what he just said right there. Now it makes sense. John Kramer, George Miley, how much do you want to bet they're part of this Jason group? How much do you guys want to bet? I would bet almost anything that George Miley of the University of Illinois, John Kramer of University of Washington, I would bet almost anything they were there and they probably are still going to him. This is wild chat. Dave Ross is one of my friends. Dave Ross is already one of my friends. I can talk to him anytime I want. I can talk to him anytime I want. And so, uh, one of the list, one of the things on the list that Ron Pendalfi was highlighting was, hey, you know, Bob Baker's off talking to the Chinese about high frequency graduation. Should be concerned about this. Um, and we looked at as a scientific endeavor, not, you know, a defense weapon development program, but they wanted to make sure, you know, there weren't any ill effects of this work. And so, is it a security threat or not? And so, he got he got them on the list. He got HFW on the list, specifically Bob Baker, uh, his work. And holy [ __ ] Ron Penduli went after Bob Baker because he was afraid Bob Baker was helping the Chinese with gravity waves. Wow. [Music] Holy [ __ ] Dark Ashton might have to come out. My goodness. I didn't think it was going to happen. I didn't think it was going to happen, chat. But you know what? I've been wrong before. I've been wrong before. Oh, feels good. Feels right. Are you [ __ ] kidding me, Ron Pandalfie? Are you [ __ ] kidding me? You went after my boy, my boy Bob Baker, who I didn't even know. You went after Bob Baker tried to say that he was a spy working with the Chinese. [ __ ] please. I looked up your history. They were investigating you for trying to help out our adversaries with satellite technology or some crap like that. I really don't even give a [ __ ] If I find out Ron Pandalfi is somehow connected to MH370 in any way, shape, or form, if even one of my foyer requests comes back and is not rejected and it has Ron Pandalfi's name somewhere on it, I am going to crucify this man. I am going to crucify him. Destroying his life doesn't even begin to describe what I'm going to do to this man. I'm going to put this man in the dictionary. I'm going to put this man in the dictionary next to scumbag. Scumbag sounds about right. Anytime anyone sees the word scumbag in the dictionary, boom, Ron Pandalf's name face is going to show up. I my spider sense is going like crazy around this guy. My gut instinct is that he's a CIA piece of [ __ ] who's been destroying people's lives and hiding this technology knowingly so that the United States government can monopolize it. That's my impression and that's basically how this story seems to be going down. Basically sounds like, oh, this guy figured out high frequency gravity waves and he's talking a little bit too much. So, we're gonna have the scientist, the Jason group, just slap him down a little bit. Wow. So, let's listen to the story. So, I Rob asked should I did I want to go along to the Jason's and be at the hearing and I said heck yeah. A free ride to San Diego. So, right down. We live in LA both at the time. So, we carpooled down to San Diego which were was it was at San Diego at the time. Carpool. So, basically they're buddies that were living in LA. So they're Bob Baker and Gary Stevenson were buddies and Gary Stevenson's kind of like, "Oh yeah, they're they're tribunaling you." Okay, cool. I'll come. It's a road trip. Road trip to San Diego. We're going to go jerk off in San Diego, everybody. Okay. You feel like he's wasn't taking this with the seriousness in which I would have taken it. If a CIA spook is trying to have me go in front of a tribunal of the Jason Group to defend my actions, I'm going to be pissed off. I'm be pissed off. Gary's like, "Yeah, whatever. It's a free vacation." It's kind of a weird reaction. Travels around or dead. It's canceled now. But at the time it was in San Diego. So we drove down to San Diego and met with them. And um yeah, basically they were non-believers. They they said all these effects are too weak to be useful. Uh I pointed out, you know, even weak effects can be useful for for communication if it's not below the the noise of the universe. uh and so they got hung up I think on the Gersstein effect because I had invoked on one of my papers not all of them but one of them I invoked the Gersstein effect as one possible technique for not only emitting wow Gersinstein effect he just he referenced it and so they use that effect against him what do you mean how do they even use that against him are they trying to say there's some debunk of the Gersinstein effect presumably so they use the Gersstein effect against him to argue that well there's no real way to make a gravity wave. It's not really possible. Therefore, they let Bob Baker off the hook. Nah, this sounds like suppression to me. This sounds like suppression. Is what they did. This whole thing was a scam, right? Like the whole thing was a show. The whole thing was a show to just slap Bob Baker on the hand and tell him, "Hey, careful what you're talking to the Chinese about, bro." and given a little too much information to the Chinese. So, of course, the answer is we're not gonna get Bob Baker in trouble. We need Bob Baker. The answer instead is to discredit the whole thing. Discredit the whole thing. Make everybody believe there's nothing there. Nah, gravity waves not that stupid. You can't do gravity waves? What do you think that we can just discover things? We can just understand how the universe works? No. We've already figured everything out. Everything there is to be figured out, we figured out. Look, this is a TV. you. How do you think I'm talking to you, chat? Obviously, if we figured out the internet, we figured out everything there is to the world. Duh. And of course, everybody just goes along with it because that's how the world works in gravitons. But for collecting gravitons, basically you say you push a graviton through a very strong magnetic field in the presence of electric field and out pops four times. So that's what put gravitons into an electric field and out pops photons. Okay, I think I've seen that before. I think I might have seen that before, chat. Um, is that this? put a gravity wave through an electric field and you get a photon release, a release of light. Like those photons that are being released from the plane when the plane's being zapped away through spaceime from a gravity wave. H quite interesting. Now, even if I'm wrong on that, and even if that's not the exact explanation, still pretty damn weird. Pretty crazy. So, push a gravity wave through an electric field and you get photon release. Oh, wait. Say that one more time for me, Gary Stevenson, because you're blowing my mind today. Gary is just really blowing my mind today. Use gravitational field equations to do that to show that. But when you work out the math, it's a very, very, very weak effect. Very weak effect. if it's you done with the classical field equations in in comparison with Fontana's which is quantum mechanical but when you're using the classical field equations you have a very weak coupling constant of you know it's G over C to the fourth or fifth and it's it's one of my papers not all of them but one of my I invoke the stand effect as one possible technique for not only emitting gravitons but for collecting gravitons basically you say you push a graviton through a very strong magnetic field in the presence of electric field and out pops photons so I don't think that's a stretch and push it through a magnetic field in the presence of an electric field and out pops photons. They had used gravitational field equations to do that to show that. But when you work out the math, it's a very very very weak effect. Very weak effect. If it's you done with the classical field equations in ah there's the rub. If you use the classical field equations, the Gersinstein effect is a very small effect. What are the classic equations, chat? Maxwell's equations. Maxwell's equations. It's a very weak effect. But remember what did we learn about Maxwell's equations? We got rid of the scalar potential. If you bring back the scalar potential, if you ramp up the voltage super high, even that small effect becomes significant. comparison with Fontanas which is quantum mechanical but when you're using um the classical field equations you have a very weak coupling constant of you know it's G over C to the fourth or fifth and it's it's astronomically small effect so they they got stuck on that and so I think that's why they you know attempted to debunk based solely on the Gerstein effect uh and we we wrote a dissenting article later on uh but I think that was just too late and so um I think that's one of the things that led to Fanguli not getting funding for his detector they tried to debunk the Gersinstein effect so definitely at least my opinion, they knew it was real and they were just discrediting it, right? They were just discrediting it. They needed it to go away. And so that's what they did with this whole Jason Tribunal. I didn't even know Jason was a thing. Now we know that there's a literal organization of physicists that work in academia that all get together and they all know about super secret technology and they work with the CIA to determine if anybody's leaking it out. Am I a topic on the Jason group chat? If anybody out there's in the Jason group, in fact, I might foyer it. Give me the list of the topics. If I'm if MH370 or me is on a topic, I will literally frame it on my wall right here. I will frame it on the wall for all of life. That would be the most amazing achievement ever. In fact, that's my goal now. My goal now is to become a topic on the Jason group. I want these black project engineers to have to talk about me. Oh, that would be absolutely amazing. Literally, my life will be complete. You can just you can orb me after that, chat. You can just orb me away. Sorry, not chat. I meant to say that to the CIA. You can orb me away after that. Okay. Uh Okay. Well, and the Jason committee to me that seems almost like a watershed moment because I think that it took a lot of the air out of HFW research, right? Yeah. Certainly slow down. Yeah. And again, so on on the one hand, you had Paul Mirat who was again with Defense Intelligence. On the other hand, you had Ron Pendalfy who was with Central Intelligence. And so this was kind of the two agencies going headto-head over. Yeah. Which a little bit of that's natural and healthy in a democracy. We don't want one agency to run everything. So, holy [ __ ] It was the DIA versus the CIA. Wow. And the way that Gary Steven responded to that, that's the way that you're only an intelligence officer responds. Oh, it's the kind of the DIA versus the D the CIA and we don't want one or intelligence agency have too much power over the other. Who do you mean we? What the [ __ ] are you talking about? Nobody in the public knows about this [ __ ] Nobody in the public would ever talk about those intelligence agencies like that. Only somebody who's an insider says stuff like that. But now it makes sense. Yeah, that's healthy. It's healthy for the CIA and the DIA to be at ends with each other. Are they fighting each other right now over MH370? Are they fighting each other right now over whether or not I should be assassinated? I certainly hope not. It's an easy yes if we're being honest with each other here, chat. If it was me, I would have assassinated myself. I'd have given the order a long time ago. Don't ever put me in charge, chat. Don't ever put me in charge. That's all I'm saying. So, this actually makes a lot more sense. Why? Because the Defense Intelligence Agency is the one that commissioned the Hal Pudof papers. They're now public. They could have probably denied the foyer request for them if they wanted to. So, that's who I'm aligned with. I don't really care who's on what side or what have you. I'm aligned with the people who wrote the durs. That's who I'm with. CIA sucked my dick. Suck my dick, CIA. Those actually just feels great to say that. I might say it a couple more times. Suck my dick, CIA. [Music] Yeah, feels good. Feels good. Feels right. It feels right, chat. The same opinions. I get, you know, I get that. I don't hold it against Ron. Yeah. Um, so they, the Jason committee did not site Ning Le's research specifically. Um they did go through I guess more of the genre and as you mentioned I think that their focus was more of a concern about China's involvement in this area of research and they were saying can this be weaponized? The takeaway was it's far too weak to be weaponized and that's really what the document says. Right. Right. That may have been the whole goal. Yeah. They you know and this is kind of the silver lining. My interpretation was that this entire branch of research could have potentially gone dark and been classified if there were applications Yes. If there was much applications that could be dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. So the Jason panel really saved this for the public. They kept it open. We're still in the open, right? Yeah. Access literature. Yeah. What the [ __ ] are they talking about here, man? Are they just openly talking about this [ __ ] went dark? Timour saying this saved the public. What the [ __ ] do you mean it saved the public? Please, seriously, somebody tell me some other context for what those words mean? Because to me, those words mean we gate kept high frequency gravity waves from the public. And that's a good thing. What do you mean we saved the public? No. Ron Pandalfi suppressed high frequency gravity waves from the public for another [ __ ] 15 years or whatever it is now. He did a tribunal against Bob Baker and you're saying, "Oh, it's a good thing because there's weaponization capabilities of this." I mean, I guess I know what side you're on now. Did I misinterpret that chat? Like am I being disingenuous here? Because that's exactly how I interpreted it. Let me just I want to make sure I didn't mishar what what Timura just said. Search could have potentially gone dark and been classified if there were applications. Yes. If there was applications that could be dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. So the Jason panel really saved this to the public. They kept it open. Saved this to the public. What? Still in the open, right? Open access literature. Yeah. Yeah. It's technically still open access lit. Is that a Why is Gary Stevenson talking about like this like it's a win? Why is he talking about this like it's a win? Well, they didn't classify the research. So that's I guess that's a win. Bro, we could be in Star Trek right now and we're not because the CIA is gatekeeping gravity waves and fusion research. Like what the [ __ ] man? This is why I sent a letter to George Miley last night. I'm just going to read it cuz that I'm dark Ashton right now. I'm dark Ashton actually. Here we go. Oh, here we go. Holy [ __ ] Yes. Okay. Jack Sarati replied and he he CCd the world and he said, "Is Ashton a crook or a loon or both?" And then Tim Ventura replied two hours ago. The Jason panel review of highfrequency gravitational waves is a fully a matterof fact public record and has been completely resolved. It was decided high frequency gravity waves are too weak to have any potential weapons applications. Therefore, the concern was dismissed. Again, my personal opinion is the decision did a tremendous service. This is literally an email I just got two hours ago. You're hearing it firsthand right now. I'm reading the email. Bunch of people are on it. My personal opinion, this is Tim Ventura. My personal opinion is the decision did a tremendous service to this area of research as it prevented it from possible classification. It saved the open research of dozens of scientists who contributed to it over time. Ultimately, this is matter is ancient history, but it is part of the history and worth preserving. What is important is investigating this research moving forward. In relationship to Sarat's work, Stephvenson and others have posed the question of whether Jack's metam materials I don't give a [ __ ] about Jack Sarat. His shit's stupid. Jack Sati didn't discover anything. Um, yeah. Okay. I don't care. What was that? That was a weird response, bro. Well, anyway, we know what his opinion is. It saved it because it didn't make it be classified. That is a weird reaction to that. I gotta be honest, guys. I gotta be honest. I'd rather it just be classified because when you don't classify it and then you say, "Oh, well, it's not significant. That's called brainwashing. That's called lying to people. And you think it's a win because they didn't classify it." No, you're just literally allowing them to get away with propaganda and [ __ ] Do you really not see that, Tim Ventura? Do you not see that? That attitude is the problem. The attitude of, "Oh, yeah. Well, they suppressed it and they made the world believe the Gersstein effect doesn't work, but they didn't classify the the research that they've now discredited. So, it's kind of a win." Are you [ __ ] kidding me, dude? That actually pisses me off so much that I want to debate you over it right now. Let's have a debate, Tim Ventura, because now I'm pretty sure you're gatekeeping. Because the only way you could rationalize something like that is a gatekeeping mentality. And this is exact this is like saying that pawns and fleshman that the DOE did pawns and fleshman uh uh a favor. The DOE did the pawns and fleshman a favor by discrediting all their work because they discredited their work and ruined their life because but you know what? At least they didn't classify the research. At least they didn't classify Cold Fusion. So it's a it's a win, right? The DOE was doing them a favor by running a tribunal and discrediting the whole branch of physics. They did physics a favor because it didn't get disclassified. Jesus Christ, dude. You need to get your like whatever that is. Like I can't believe you even double downed on it. That's that's wild to me, bro. Okay, we got another email here, too, guys. This is why these like physicists and [ __ ] on these emails are all complete retards. All completely [ __ ] Like the reason why they didn't discover any of this [ __ ] they haven't exposed any of this is because they're all complete idiots. Like we're going to literally strip the PhDs from some of these people that don't deserve them like Jack Sarat and all these other like cranks or what have you. These people do not deserve their PhDs. They didn't earn them. They're basically just clout chasers who've been living their life off of like stealing credit from other people and pretending like they hung out with smart people, therefore they're smart as well. If these people were actually even half as smart as they pretended to be, they would have already discovered everything that I discovered like 10 years ago. None of this was really even really hard to find once you knew what you were looking for. Which tells me that none of these people have any idea of what they're looking for at all. None of them do. So, let's start with this Mike Turber guy. Mike Turber is wrote in uh he wrote a whole like three pages here. Oh, I'm not going to read all. So, Mark Turber is quoting 5x5 News. That's his source. 5x5 News is his source. Ashton, who will get this email, is a wackadoodle poss [ __ ] who has no clue what he's talking about. Go ahead, Ashton, and defend yourself here and watch how I spank you into oblivion with actual data and knowledge that Professor Da Dave, who spanked you pretty hard, links below, couldn't do. Um, Mike Turber, I actually just feel bad for you because you're just destroying your life. I have your real name, dude. I have your real name. You sent me your real email address. You're sending me real emails from Mark Turber, a complete [ __ ] clown, and you thought you were going to take me down. You were a mentally ill [ __ ] Dave or uh uh Mike Turber. Your source is Professor Dave. Like, how [ __ ] [ __ ] are some of you people? I literally have to wonder how dumb these debunkers can be that you still think the videos are fake. You still think the videos are fake. Even after all of this, you still just want to throw your life away. You just want to throw your life away because your life is a lie. And it upsets you so much that you need to believe that I'm lying to you. Even after all this research, even after listening to Gary Stevenson explain the same exact stuff that I've been explaining to you, you still want to throw your life away for no reason? Well, wish granted. Wish granted. Mike Turber, you want your life ruined? It's going to be ruined. No problem. I've got your email address. I know who you are. I've got your email here of all the stupid [ __ ] that you're quoting. That's all wrong. You want to have your life ruined over this? Wish granted, brother. Wish granted. I keep telling you [ __ ] idiots, stop coming at me. You're I am going to ruin and destroy your life. You think it's cute or funny. Now, you're not going to think it's cute or funny when your life is destroyed, when your wife leaves you. When your children won't talk to you because you're a piece of [ __ ] and the whole world hates you, because you're a [ __ ] [ __ ] who is trying to gatekeep free energy and Star Trek technology from us. And the worst part is you are so [ __ ] dumb. You thought you were right. You were so [ __ ] stupid that you actually thought you were right. That's why people are going to make fun of you the most is that you quadruple down on being wrong over and over and over. And Ashton Forbes just kept telling you, "You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong." And you just refuse to listen. It is 100% your fault. Go back and watch the beginning of this interview, beginning of this live stream. Guys, this is the reason why I said, "You expect me to be nice to these people? Look at this [ __ ] psychotic email I get from these nut jobs constantly. It's just [ __ ] after [ __ ] after [ __ ] constantly saying stupid [ __ ] because they're too [ __ ] dumb to understand basic reality. They're too dumb to understand that their whole lives have been a lie. No, I'm not going to be nice to any of these people. I'm going to destroy their lives. I'm going to take Jack Zarfat's PhD from him. I'm going to expose to the world that Jack Sarfat is a [ __ ] phony that tells fake stories and doesn't know [ __ ] about physics. Doesn't know [ __ ] about physics. Doesn't even know that spaceime isn't empty. Anybody that's worked on nuclear bombs knows that spaceime is not empty. Jack Sarati doesn't know that because he's never worked on anything important in his life. He's been a clout chaser for his entire life. He's never done anything. And his his little gravity [ __ ] he's doing with Juan Fier or whatever, that's not going to do anything either. That's just a big failure. You're paying him to do nothing. Jack Sarfight gets paid to do nothing. How does that feel, Jack? Don't worry. I'm going easy on you, bro. I'm actually going easy on you guys. Believe it or not, I can make a grown man cry on stream easily. Okay, let's finish this bad boy out because there's one more thing that I want to look at here. So, there was also so Gary Stevenson also here at the end says this. Glad that he went through and systematically published all this material. Yeah, I remember this era and uh the aerospace corporation was one of his funders, I believe, because Greg Mahol at aerospace was keenly aware of what was happening with Martin and would call me in. I was at space command at the time as a consultant and so we we would go through his work together. Space Command. Did Gary Stevenson say he was at space command as a consultant? I'm pretty sure those are the words that I just heard come out of his mouth. definitely black project and was one of his funders I believe because Greg Maholic at airspace was keenly aware of what was happening with Martin and would call me in. I was at space command at the time as a consultant and so we we would go through his work together and um it was you know very interesting work uh and very precise and he was actually doing real Wow. So that's pretty much it for the interview but wow what a bunch of revelations in there. So now we understand the DIA and CIA aren't necessarily always getting along. We understand that we can convert photons into gravitons using Josephson junctions with with uh asymmetrical superconductors. That means just different superconductors. We got support that the BPP was when they started figuring some of this stuff out. Everybody was coming together with the NASA breakthrough physics propulsion. Gary Stevenson was in a skiff with Hal Pudof and Eric Davis talking about UFOs when ATIP was first started up. Holy [ __ ] Gary Stevenson was at a 2007 conference that was like at Hal Pudaf's house where all these scientists from across the world were there talking about gravity waves. I'll take any number of Gary Stevensons before I'll take even one Jack Sarati. Jack Sarfat is a complete fraud on every possible respect. He doesn't know [ __ ] about physics. These guys would eat him for lunch 10 times out of 10. I'm pretty sure Jackar's never built or developed anything. Meanwhile, you know, Gary Stevenson's resume just goes on for miles practically. And this is the reason, too, is that, you know, they can trust Gary Stevenson. Gary Stevenson is a smart guy. In that interview, he's saying exactly what he wants to say and nothing more. Somebody like Jack Sarfat is just an idiot. He can't control anything that he says and just makes up fake stories non-stop. So, he would never be brought in. They want people like Gary Stevenson who are smart, not idiots who can't control their emotions like Jack Sarati. Okay guys, that's it for tonight. I appreciate you guys. I'm going to play you out with a different one. I'm going to have to edit this out of the final thing because it's going to issue a copyright strike. So, if you are watching a replay, you're not going to see this, but you can check it out on uh my Twitter channel. It's my favorite video out there. It actually gets me emotional to watch this and especially I think it's appropriate after tonight because this science goes really far back like we're talking 60 70 80 years and scientists have been working on this understanding all the concepts and that's what's led us to this moment right now. That's what's led us to this moment right now. Uh let me hit these last donos real quick. War Ranch LLC. Yes, I know about L3 Harris. Thank you very much. Uh, Mike Ashton, really appreciate all that you're doing. The arrogance uh of these brain brain like brainiacs is boundless. Thank you for researching this in the chat. Yes. Awesome. And then my catman, their little egos just can't take it. Boohoo. Boohoo. Chaotic. Good says, "Do it, lady." Uh, awake not woke sends the can over. Thank you very much. And Methyl says, "You're hilarious. I appreciate it. I try, guys. I try." Here you go. Here's your moment of zen tonight. We're going to play us off with this one. The Ashton mashup. Uh Ashton science. Where is it? Science mashup. [ __ ] You people think that's fake? You really think that's fake? Look at what we're about to watch right here. You tell me you really think this is fake. Birdman. [Music] Birdman. Birdman. Birdman. [Music] That's my legend. That's my boy. There she is. There's [Music] [Music] We're going to win, chat. This is your old device. [Music] magnetic river. Distance is an illusion, chat. Only the ball is moving. [Music] Look at that magnetic gate. Magnetic gate. This is my favorite. The double bounce. [Music] Love how it goes both ways. Magnetic river can go both ways, you guys. [Music] Going upstream. [Music] I'm millionaire. I'm a young millionire. Tougher than Nigerian hair. My criteria compared to your career just isn't fair. through the pencil and leak on the sheet of the tablet in my mind cuz I don't write [ __ ] cuz I standing wave. Are we sure sound isn't a gravity fight? What a what a G guys. Thomas Brown effect. Hell yeah. Plasma baby. And of course Z pinch me [Music] [ __ ] I'm [ __ ] I'm ill. [ __ ] [ __ ] I'm ill. I want that heart in me. I want that heart in me. I want that heart in me. Liberty engine. Free energy for the world. Chad, I love you. MH370X. Have a great night, guys. Thank you for being here. Thank you for following. Thank you for supporting. Remember, we're going to win. [Music] I'mma touch the sky.