Hard Truths Podcast w/ Ashton Forbes ft. Tom Montalk

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# Hard Truths Podcast w/ Ashton Forbes ft. Tom Montalk is hello everybody and welcome to the hard Tru podcast I'm excited to be here this is your host Ashton Forbes thank you everybody for being here with me today I have guest Tom Monto very excited to talk to him he's an author of montalk.net uh he's uh written three books Fringe knowledge for beginners Discerning the alien disinformation and nosis he is an undergraduate who or he was an undergraduate who studied physics and electrical engineering and since then has been pursuing independent research in scalar physics and suppressed inventions he is also an experiencer who's networked with hundreds of other experiencers and researchers to get to the bottom of the Paranormal and alien phenomenon so without further Ado let's welcome Tom to the stage hey Tom how's it going today man hey it's going great let me get my light out here out of the way there we go oh yeah no problem thanks for being here with me today thanks for talking uh I'm excited for this I'm excited to do a little bit of science conversation and then dig into a little bit of the the Paranormal side too and get your thoughts on everything that's been going on in in the world and and what have you yeah sounds good so I guess first where I wanted to start like get straight into the science which is scalar physics so I've been recently researching scaler physics myself I have this big list of science topics to look into related to electrical engineering and scaler physics was on there and when I started digging into I found out about a guy Nam uh Thomas Bearden and started watching his presentations and actually before I even got to that I was just Googling on YouTube and who did I find there I found your video and this was before I knew who you were at all and and I watched it and I went wow this is mindblowing to me and then I think you actually ended up replying to some people in the post that I made about it and then I realized oh you're Tom a talk you're the guy that made this actual video so uh we can show a little bit of the video but beforehand I kind of want to know what got you how did you find out about scaler physics what got you interested in it you know did that play out for you in your life Yeah so basically for me it started when I was 12 or 13 years old when I started reading all the UFO books at my local library and once I started digging into the UFO literature I noticed that some abductees were describing the propulsion systems of these Advanced Aerospace Vehicles as that COA blue document refers to them uh and so that really got me interested in how do these things even work and it just so happened that I was reading Popular Science magazine at the time and in the back of that magazine there was a an ad for Rex research and Rex research throughout in Nevada it's run by one guy and he went through all the archives and old newspapers and everything he started digging up all the suppressed all these suppressed inventions and you photocopied them and put them into uh little information packets that they called in folios so I down so I I ordered his catalog and then I ordered a ton of these in folios on everything from whel Reich to towns and brown to the Ean free energy generator psychotronics uh you name it I ordered dozens of these things and I was obsessed with them I mean I was reading them every day uh throughout Junior High and high school so that really got me interested in alternative inventions and I was doing a lot of experiments at the time with weather engineering ergonomy uh I tried I tried to replicate the ekin free energy generator but the tools that I had at the time really weren't what I needed to really make it efficient I mean it produced electricity but it wasn't overunity because there was too much friction and air gaps in there and so on uh and so when I when it was time to graduate high school I uh I decided to go into physics and electrical engineering specifically to get a get the mathematical framework that I needed to better understand how that all worked you know because I mean it's one thing to understand conceptually but if you want to actually build it and apply it you do have to know the math you know just like a mechanic has to know the specific routing VA the electrical circuits in an engine in order to you know work on it so it's the same thing here and uh so I went to college I did physics I did four years of undergrad and then my scholarships ran out and I realized you know what I don't want to continue on that track into Academia because I was working with grad students at the time I was working in the ACT uh I was working in the plasma physics Lab at the University of Iowa with my professor and I was winding these huge coils for the the for the plasma machine so it's like it generates an intense uh magnetic field like so strong that if you're in the same room and you hold like metal wrench in the hand even like 20 yards away that wrench will get pulled out of your hand That's How Strong yeah yeah so you had to keep all metal objects away from these things when they're running and U anyway so I I was more of a technician you know it's not like I was actually designing the equations or you know how the how the plasma worked at the time because I was only an undergrad but it did give me some exposure to Academia you know the politics of it I worked with grad students and I saw you know the kind of Hoops that they had to jump through in order to uh get approved for certain lines of research and even my plasma physics professor at the time I think he was working on something that wasn't officially approved in the sense that he said that oh we're just studying nonlinear waves and plasmas but in his back right pocket he always carried the New Testament a little pocket version of the New Testament so he he was a devout Christian working on this physical stuff and when you get into nonlinear plasma phenomenon to me I got the impression he was looking for signs of life in the pl mhm he never said it out right but just putting everything together I think that's secretly what he was doing and you know which is a smart move because you can't really try to get funding for that you know he can't get a grant from the government for uh you know trying to trying to find life in plasmas I mean that's that's sort of a two out there you you'd lose your reputation if you did that so have you ever have you read Joseph P Farrell's stuff or anything about the idea of you know sentient plasma what is your thoughts on that I think it's possible because in a way uh you know a lot of the Soviet scientists who studied the human aura the human biofield they called it a bioplasma because they assumed that it was uh sort of an electrical charged field that penetrated the body and was also around the body and from what I remember some of them theorized that it was it consisted of delocalized electrons in other words charges that were in a Quantum superposition State all over the body and this Quantum superposition State uh allowed these electrons to respond to things from outside of SpaceTime okay and actually if you look into steuart Hammer off and Roger penrose's work on Consciousness they also theorize that within cells there are these structures as you might know called microtubules and these microtubules they're like these really they're like nanot tubes essentially but they're living in nanot tubes and they're made of these little things called diers okay and inside the dier there's a there's a little pocket where delocalized electrons exist okay so it's it's an electron that's not in a a specific State it's in a superposition State it's Quantum sensitive and that somehow allows it to tap into Consciousness non-local Consciousness in order to translate that nonlocal consciousness's um intentions or thoughts or whatever into physical biochemical form neural form you know activating neurons and so on okay so there's there's something about Quantum delocalized electrons that seems to be be sensitive to metaphysical Fields I guess you could call it so that's my thoughts on that so do you think that's a really inter in thought is your belief I guess the bigger question I'm going to ask you is what is your belief on you know why we exist at all but I guess what I'm wondering is would you agree or disagree with the idea that we are like avatars that are having like Consciousness kind of beamed into us or what's your thought on that yeah I think so because the people who say that Consciousness is merely an epip phenomenon of matter they're what what they're saying is that matter is primary and if that were the case then you should be able to um predict everything that matters would do like an electron or subatomic particle you should be able to predict you know down to the nanc what it's going to do next because I mean if it's just matter then it's ultimately just billiard balls hitting other billiard balls right so if you know all the initial conditions if you know the nature of the system you can predict its future outcome and that's what's called determinism because it's the cause determining the effect but once quantum physics came came along it was proven both experimentally and mathematically by by Von Newman and uh some others that that cannot be that that cannot be the casee that at the quantum level uh nondeterminism in other words unpredictability is baked into it and there is really no way to fully 100% predict everything about a Quantum system so you know physicists with all their technology all their mathematics they cannot predict what an electron will do next with 100% Precision because there's always something else there's always something else that is non-physical you know that's non-deterministic that influences Its Behavior and so when you think about the human brain or you know all life in general uh being involved with these microtubules and delocalized electrons well there you go there's your answer that that's the answer as to what is causing these electrons to move in an unpredictable way and not just electrons but photons do you know other subatomic particles so in other words as much as physics wants to boil everything down to an equation once you get down to Quantum to the quantum level the only thing that they can really do there is statistics they can only do statistics because they don't know specifically what one thing will do but they know generally what a bunch of things will do or a bunch of measurements will result in right so it starts becoming fuzzier you know more probabilistic more indirect and they can only talk in in generalities usually yeah that reminds me of the double slit experiment you know in terms of the wave function and the wave function breaking down this idea of deterministic versus probabilistic I think that was my first introduction to um quantum mechanics in general the first time I looked at when I went well that's weird that doesn't make any sense did you have a similar Revelation ever in your life where you thought quantum mechanics is kind of maybe the secret to understanding a lot of this stuff yeah it sort of dawned on me once I really got into it in college you know taking several semesters of quantum mechanics um and also at the time I remember I was walking downtown in Iowa City at the University of Iowa and there was a Hari Krishna guy you know dressed in the orange you know clothing and everything and and he was selling books and I happened to walk by and he and he acquisitioned me and and uh I started talking to him and he was selling a book on quantum physics and Consciousness okay so I bought it and that book kind of opened the door to me because it does get into the nitty-gritty mechanics of how quantum physics could potentially tie into Consciousness like where is it within that entire mathematical framework where Consciousness would enter into it you see uh and you know just to just to kind of summarize that quickly where Consciousness enter into quantum physics is in determining or influencing the phase the phase of the quantum wave function in other words how the waves are aligned with each other in in a more General sense okay and Consciousness seems to have an influence on that and that's how it's able to get an inroads into the everyday world that we know here which is like the macroscopic world as opposed to the quantum world but uh you know just like in Chaos Theory where a little tiny effect has a big effect well the quantum World consists of all these Chaos Theory butterflies okay and when Consciousness influences one of those it can Cascade upwards and amplify upwards and scale until before you know it you've got a living human being generating sounds you know in the form of language for example or or a human being pressing the nuclear button and blowing up the entire world that entire thing boils down to what's happening at that little tiny Quantum level see the little tiny Quantum level and because that's where things are sensitive enough that something from outside of SpaceTime can enter into it and influence everything that follows from that interesting I like that thought and it does make me wonder about Consciousness in general and I think I want to ask more about that a little later but I guess one more question before we dig into the the scalar physics would be uh do you think that there is uh any um incompatibility between let's say faith and science what's your view on how Faith because you were talking about you know your professor that you know has the Bible in their back pocket and then they're doing you know plasma Advanced Plasma Research what is your thoughts on that well I think Faith begins where science ends because science doesn't know everything uh science likes to put one foot in front of the other you know in order to get to the next step you have to be able to calculate it you have to know the certainty of it like it's logic you know it's logic that follows from certain premises certain observations and it goes forward and forward and forward and forward down the line of reasoning but at some point you're going to hit a dead end because in order to get to the next step uh you need luck essentially if you think about it I mean there's so many scientists throughout history who got stuck at a certain point and they didn't know how to how to proce Ed and then they would have a dream that tells them what the answer is or they would have a synchronicity or some some opportunity they stumble across some book or they make some insight by accident some observation by accident okay those things they don't there those things are non-deterministic they're not something that you can reason yourself to words or necessarily you know crunch your way toward words with more and more experiments you know certain things are just synchronistic and I think that's where I think that's where the Hidden Hand of God or Consciousness or higher Consciousness reveals itself in these these tiny moments that change the future forever you know when you hit that impass of logic and matter and experimentation and data five senses you hit that impass in order to jump across you have to have what you have to have a leap of faith a leap of faith to take a chance do the experiment you know you don't know if it's going to work out you have to have faith that it's going to and you do it and then you find out whether it's correct or not you see so I think I mean they're not incompatible they're just uh they occupy different domains of human experience and they both have to work together well you're already blowing my mind because the way you thought way you phrased that I thought wow that's almost like the difference between the the wave function and the deterministic it's like where when it breaks down like maybe that's the essence of Faith itself where it's like we haven't figured out what the future is but once it's been determined now you have something that's tangible and uh that you can touch um right so I think what I want to do is I have this I kind of so like I said at the beginning of this I found you because I found your YouTube channel found your description of scaler physics I read it or watched it blew my mind I actually went and edited it down um right after that because I was like okay I got to show people this and uh so I think I want to play the shorten version I have I think it maybe is like three or four minutes um and then get your reaction to it and if I missed anything in there as well then have you kind of weigh in and then I'm going to ask you probably some more questions on scaler physics stuff because I just think it's the scal of physics has honestly blown my mind um feels like it's science that's out there that nobody even realized was existed um so I think we have quite a bit to talk says that the gravit let me uh restart that let's do this okay yeah how long is this oh okay it's only about 3 minutes here we go the postulate says that the gravitational potential arises when there is a Divergence in the magnetic Vector potential and when the electric scalar potential changes with time in a curlf free way let's break those down so normally as we discussed the magnetic Vector potential curls into a magnetic force field but when it doesn't curl and instead diverges or converges that's what scalar physics says produces a gravitational potential Divergence of the magnetic Vector potential is key Divergence is a math term meaning that there is some kind of expansion or compression in the field in other words the field vectors point away from or towards a Common Center and that's the opposite of curl which involves the field circulating around something rather than converging or diverging from it as for the electric scalar potential that can also create a gravitational potential under certain conditions normally as explained the electric scaler potential has a gradient that forms an electric force field and if this electric field changes over time then according to Maxwell's famous equations you get a curling magnetic Vector potential that produces a magnetic field but what if the curl of the magnetic Vector potential is suppressed or canceled out what if you set things up so that the magnetic Vector potential does not produce a magnetic field a simple example of that for anyone curious would be a spherical capacitor with an oscillating electric field then what you get instead is a changing gravitational potential so instead of a transverse electromagnetic wave you would get what's called a longitudinal electr gravitational wave transverse means that the field Wiggles side to side as it travels which is what electromagnetism normally does and longitudinal means that it compresses and expands in the direction of travel which is what these artificial gravity waves do I'm talking about things like ball lightning and exotic vacuum objects the belled brown effect tesis Wireless Energy Systems longitudinal forces and rail guns the exploding wire phenomenon Stefan Marino's magnetic ionization device low energy nuclear reactions plasma based free energy systems so with that one postulate that the magnetic Vector potential and the electric scaler potential can each produce a gravitational potential under the right conditions you open the door to Star Trek level technology so there we go that was amazing it kind of blew my mind now and I've been watching a little bit Thomas beard and I'm not an expert on this at all so my understanding is that when we're talking about um like an electric field we're talking about like essentially a straight line when we're talking about a magnetic field we're talking about kind of a loop or a curve a curl as you would say and then when we're talking about the potential gravitational field we're talking about like the stress like squishing a ball back and forth um what am I how close am I on there and how can can you expand upon your video and and understanding of how SC what scaler physics is and how it can lead to gravitational manipulation yeah I'm glad that you played that video because it had the diagrams it had the equations and and trying to explain that without that and without a whiteboard is is very is very difficult right I mean you can do it and analogies and metaphors but uh it takes longer and then the longer it takes the more you wear out people's patience so it's it's a trade-off between being long and boring or short but complicated right yeah uh yeah but yeah that that pretty much sums it up now I think that the most important thing to understand is that which is what I said at the beginning of the video which wasn't included in this particular edit is that the everyday forces that we're familiar with we we know magnetism you know you got magnets that stick on refrigerators we know electricity when you turn on the lights or you know you get static electricity in your hair or your clothing okay and we know gravity of course because you know pulls us down so these things those are all force fields because there are fields that exert force on their respective type of matter you know whether it's an electric charge whether it's a magnet or whether it's Mass you know mass that gets pulled down by gravity okay so these things is what we're familiar with and all of our Electronics technology whether it's phones or radios or computers uh those follow from the principles of electrical engineering and electrical engineering follows from the principles of electrodynamics which is how electric and magnetic fields interact to create electromagnetic waves okay so but but the problem with all that is that it's only the surface level it's it only skims the surface of what how reality actually works so imagine you know you got waves on the ocean and imagine if you only ever paid attention to waves and you had no concept of the wind that's whipping up the waves or the underwater current that is steering the waves if you have no concept of that and you only focus on the waves then how much of reality do you actually understand you don't you only understand maybe how to how to use the waves to surf for example but you don't know anything about how to create a sailboat to actually harvest the wind you know or a submarine that can harvest the underwater currents so there are technological applications that are not included under current modern-day electrical engineering because the theories that electrical engineering is based on are incomplete I wouldn't say that they're necessarily flawed they're just incomplete they've closed certain doors that they should not have closed and this goes back to the mid to late 1800s because in the early the early 1800s okay the early 19th century that's when people like uh like Amper for example and some others were doing experiments with the very earliest experiments with electricity and some of them discovered that if you send electricity down a wire it'll create a magnetic field that alters a compass magnet you know the direction that the compass points so they realized that there was a connection between magnets and lightning essentially which is kind of crazy to think like how do you how do those things even connect well smart people did experiments and they figured out how everything behaved and then they handed all that data over to the scientists and the mathematicians at the time one of was James Clerk Maxwell and he he was he was a mathematical genius you know in a sense and he took that data and he figured out the rules by which electrom or electric and magnetic fields interact with each other and how electromagnetic waves are produced uh and he also figured out that light that light itself is half electricity and half magnetism that are kind of wrapped up together in the form of a photon well although actually at the time he didn't know about photons because that came a little bit later but yeah he he realized uh he he worked out the mathematics of of how that all relates okay but while he was working out the math there were certain Avenues certain doors as I mentioned that he could have opened um but he thought to himself well as far as we know uh The Ether because they believed in The Ether at the time this medium that fills all of space he said well I don't think I don't think that the ether is elastic it doesn't have elastic properties so we can discount any sort of compression like Divergence convergence because remember in that video I talked about Divergence and you know Fields can converge or diverge from something so he he figured that okay well there's no evidence of that so let's just put that aside and he did and he just went on with just electric and magnetic fields and so he put out his uh paper on that different versions of it like two volumes of the of the theory behind that and then a couple decades later uh Oliver heavy side he was another genius but he came more from the electrical engineering angle um he picked up Maxwell's work and he kind of compactified all those equations there were 20 equations and 20 variables that he compactified down into what's called Vector form Vector notation and in that video for example when I listed out those equations with the little Cross of the curl and the Divergence and all that that's those things were his inventions he came up with those particular mathematical ma mathematical techniques to describe how that worked the problem though is that he had an irrational hatred for uh what are called potential fields in other words h the force this is why I'm getting into this which is that when when I talked about uh the force fields that we're familiar with like gravity electricity magnetism those are force fields but force fields in themselves don't exist alone they're actually uh expressions of something deeper something simpler just like the ocean waves are expressions of the wind and the underlying Water Dynamics okay there's stuff that's deeper simpler more fundamental than these force fields and those deeper things are called potential Fields one of those is called the electric scalar potential which sounds complicated but it's just voltage right so when you think about like a 5vt USB connection or 1.5 volt battery well that's because the the two ends of the battery have a difference of potential of 1.5 volts which is which is kind of like electrical pressure like how much work that that particular battery can do that that's sort of what's determined by this voltage value so but voltage in itself is uh it's a it's a potential so electric scalar potential when physicists say electric scalar potential they're just they just mean voltage so there's voltage which is like V you know the symbol V and then you have another thing called the vector magnetic potential and that is also something that's deeper than you know electricity gravity magnetism and this Vector potential it's uh Maxwell described it as a kind of electromagnetic momentum so imagine if you have a rope in water and you pull the Rope through the water okay it's going to drag some of that water with it along the sides of this rope and so this water is going to acquire some of the momentum that the Rope you know has imparted to it and that's how he sort of visualized current going through a wire so when you send electricity down a wire it drags some of the ether with it so there's this ether flow that goes along the wire and that's what he considered the electromagnetic momentum or the magnetic Vector potential and when this flow of ether curls when it has a vorticity in it uh the axis of that Vortex that's a magnetic field line so that's where magnetism comes from magnetism comes from the curl or the vorticity in the so-called magnetic Vector potential which is you know one step below magnetism in terms of Simplicity and you know the same thing with gravity you've got gravitational force fields and below that you got the gravitational potential which is like a kind of space-time stress like a like a pressure and when you have uh a gradient in that so like when this point here has this so much pressure and this one has a little bit more this one has a little bit more gravitational potential that line This is the slope between them is what generates gravitational force so if you put matter like right here it's going to fall it's or it's going to fall this way it's it's going to fall that way because it's going to go along the slope so you know this is just like a little Glimpse at the mathematical underpinnings of things and I think it's important to understand that these force fields that we know they are just more complicated expressions of simpler things but see here is where scalar physics comes into the picture scalar physics acknowledges that these potentials that generate the force fields that we know that these potentials can be distorted in other ways that don't produce the forces that we know so it is pot it is possible for example to have an electric voltage that does not have a gradient in it um and therefore does not produce an electric field for example if you have like a hollow metal ball okay so imagine like a metal ball it's Hollow and you put a bunch of electricity like a bunch of electric charge on it that ball is going to charge up to certain voltage okay but but the interior of this hollow metal ball the the voltage is going to be completely 100% uniform throughout the entire space inside this bone okay and if it's uniform there is no gradient and the equation says that a gradient in the voltage produces the electric force field well if there's no gradient there is no electric force field all you have is a uniform potential uh and so that shows that a potential can exist without producing these force fields and then the question is well what else then can you do with these potentials that don't produce the force fields that we know what else can you do with it and well that's that's the interesting question because you can take voltage this this uniform voltage field and you can vary it over time you can like you know make it oscillate from high voltage to low voltage to high voltage to low voltage in a uniform in a spacially uniform way and if you tell that to a physicist you know what they'll say a mainstream physicist they'll say okay well what does that do that doesn't do anything because if there's no gradient in the voltage then there's no electric field and if there's no electric field then you know it can't move current through wire it can't send electromagnetic waves out or whatever and so they just ignore it because they're like like it's useless there's nothing you can do with it but what if that's not the case what if it actually uh affects the stress of SpaceTime itself and produces gravitational effects time dilation effects uh you and these other applications uh and that's what they're not that's what they're not paying attention to that's what they're those are the doors that they keep closed but scalar physics says no it might actually mean something so let's look in experimental records for any sign of uniform voltage that changes time or a diverging magnetic Vector potential for example where do we see that where does it show up and is there anything in the experimental record that indicates there's something to it and the answer is yes a lot of these suppressed inventions whether it's free energy anti-gravity longitudinal radio wave systems things like that they they seem to employ physics principles that are along these lines it might actually be the Divergence of the magnetic Vector potential that they're using to do these amazing things to alter time to create propulsion for example uh and so that's what scal physics is it's about taking an alternate route to what mainstream physics has taken by going back and looking at the simpler foundations of electrodynamics as we know it and opening those other doors that mainstream physics has closed you hit so many of my questions right there that was amazing um because I was going to ask about Max while he brought up his 20 equations um you I think you kind of touched a little bit maybe I'm wrong but on heavy side in terms of him potenti coming in and uh take you know simplifying those equations uh and and would you agree that we lost some of what our capabilities are when it comes to electrical engineering when when that happened absolutely because so so what heavyside did was he he got rid of the potentials so the magnetic Vector potential and the electric scalar potential he basically got rid of them and he formulated Maxwell's four famous equations only in terms of the electric field and the magnetic field the the force fields that's all he did and you know I don't have a whiteboard with me but I don't know if this will work let's see if I can even show the equations there we go all right so so there we go these are the four Maxwell equations in Black okay it don't work too well I can bring them up as well okay but see see the stuff here in red the red here and then then the red down here okay this is backwards that red stuff that's what Maxwell left out or not heavy side that's what he left out okay and so everything in Black that's what you'll find in a textbook is uh that's what you'll find in a textbook is the standard Maxwell equations and everything in red is what he left out and and and the way that they leave it out is by doing what's called a gauge fixing it's called gauge fixing and what gauge fixing is is when when they go through the process of deriving these maximal equations that relate electricity to magnetism uh when they do that eventually they hit upon the uh the magnet or the the convergence of the magnetic Vector potential and they hit upon a uniform voltage field that changes over time it shows up in the math and so they get to that point and they're like well that's con that's inconvenient because we don't want these potentials messing up our Maxwell equations so what can we do H what can we do oh here here's what we'll do since the Divergence of the vector potential which is like the triangle with the dot and the a you know Divergence of a uh since since we don't know what that is and we've never measured it uh it can it can be whatever we wanted to be so let's make it zero and so they literally take an eraser and and erase it out of the equation by setting it to zero and then they proceed as normal and they're like hey look we've got the four Max will equations there's no potentials involved and everything's good but because of that mistake because of them doing that uh this gauge fixing you know one of the gauges is called the coolum gauge and that's where you set it to zero and another one's called the uh the Lauren gauge where they set it well they relate them to each other but in an opposite way so when you plug that into the equation they cancel out so it cancels out all the scaler stuff so if you do one of those you just wind up with Maxwell equations that don't use any of this Fringe technology effects whether it's gravity stuff time dilation you know space contraction SpaceTime engineering they left that out of there and and I had right here on the paper in red I mean that's that's what would have opened the door for them but they kept it out and you know I would I would like to think that they kept it out for innocent reasons maybe at the time you know they were all material or positivists and if you can't sense it with your five senses then it doesn't exist that was like a virtue back then you know to get because you know because they were rebelling against uh the church and religion right so they're rebelling against it and so but but then they went to the Other Extreme of almost like worshipping matter instead of Mary right so it's it's kind of crazy they went from one extreme to the other uh and yeah it it resulted in in a very bad blender and all of modern physics all of modern electrical engineering has been built upon that faulty foundation so it's no wonder that over the past hundred years physicists still cannot produce gravity in a lab artificially I mean I'm talking about mainstream mainstream science I'm pretty sure they can but yeah mainstream science I don't think is doing it I think maybe just in the special access programs have I had to guess special access programs and certain Fringe inventors or physicists like for example Eugene penov yeah right he he he's done a lot of good work with gravity like generating gravitational impulses using not only superconductors but also um well superconducting discs that you fire an extreme electrical current into and this this current discharge through a superconductor generates uh coherent macroscopic Quantum wave functions which have gravitational properties and um speaking my language now okay do you think that's possible because the superconductors are you know warping the magnetic fields and there as you were explaining like zeroing out the magnetic field in that localized area or how do you think that's possible I think that plays into it I think that plays into it but the the thing about superconductors is that when you have charges that are in them or collection of charges all those charges I me I'm talking about electrical charges like electrons right those charges that are involved in that they are quantum coherent they're in a in a coherent State and this is a very important point this is what I have in my notes to make sure to mention because it's it's a very important point you see electrical engineering electrical engineering it doesn't care about any of this Quantum stuff necessarily it doesn't really care about the what's really going on at a fun fundamental level okay and so when you send let's say one amp of current through a wire okay one amp of current through a wire they don't they don't care whether it's like a trillion electrons moving very slowly at like 1 to 10 centimeters per hour through this wire they don't care if it's that or if it's just a few electrons that are shooting extremely quickly down there I mean as long as the the the proportion of charge to how long it takes to pass a certain point equals one amp is all the same to them okay but at the quantum level there is a huge difference between sending a bunch of electrons down a wire versus a bunch of electrons or or electrons that are in free space or in a through a superconductor that are going down it and the difference is that here we go here here's a prop so when you have a wire and electrons are going through it they're actually it's they're actually bouncing around like crazy through the metal lattice you know all the copper ions and so on the copper atoms they're bouncing around and it's only the general drifting that creates the current that we know as one amp okay that's why they heat up too right because they bounce into the atoms create friction yeah so that's how the old light bulbs work you just send a bunch of electrons through this resistive wire and then they hit so hard into the metal that it imparts energy into it and then it starts to glow and generate light okay um but the problem is there's no there's no um organized movement to it it's just like it's just bunch of noise that's drifting down down this wire and so at a Quantum level each electron and its Quantum wave function is not aligning with the quantum wave function of the electron next to it or down the wire and so all these things all these Quantum effects are canceling each other out so they cancel each other out and sum to zero and uh there's no then that's the reason why why uh current through a wire doesn't have any macroscopic Quantum weird woo woo properties because all the quantum stuff has been canceled out the electrons moving semi- randomly down the wire which is very very different from when you have a superconductor uh especially like a rotating superconducting disc like about clobs early experiments which NASA tried to replicate uh if you have something like that then the electrons are moving well they they're delocalized inside of a inside of a a superconductor but there are other ways of getting them to move collectively where their wave functions sum together because they all perfectly align like this right and the more they align you stack you know more and more and more waves across each other the higher the amplitude of the wave becomes until the wave is so big and has such a high amplitude that it starts having effects on the macroscopic scale like producing gravity okay you know gravitational impulses so uh polov and another guy named Claude uh poer p o h e r i don't know if that's how you pronounce his name but Claude poer he's got videos on yoube tube where yeah he also fires extremely high currents electrical currents into superconductors and from that generates what appears to be a gravitational impulse beam or wave that knocks a pendulum upwards so he's got this arm this metal arm swinging a top this like uh superc conducting disc and when they fire into the disc this arm you know swings up and then the weight kind of pulls it back down so there's something there's something non-physical causing this to move and as best as they can determine it's some kind of gravitational wave but it only comes about when you uh have Collective electron movements okay as opposed to electrons going down wire yes is that like Cooper pairs or you think what is it the B BCS is that the other terminology I can't remember what that stands for three people's names usually that's the collective coherence essentially that gets formed in superc conductors yeah you get uh different kinds of coherence Coupe repairs I think would be the the simplest one and actually there's a debate about whether coup repairs even exist or if it's something else going on but yeah but but but you know those things you know superconductors are a way of uh bringing purely Quantum phenomena into our everyday large world uh and so like for example when you get an MRI done you know like a CAT scan if you get like an MRI done uh that uses very powerful and sensitive magnets called well they're called squids super super conducting Quantum interference devices that's what they're called but they use quantum principles and superconductors in order to be able to measure very weak magne Fields but not only that but they can measure the magnetic Vector potential directly so besides MRIs I think squids have other applications uh in scaler physics the only problem is I can't buy one because they're like 20 to $30,000 used for one squid you know so all this magical stuff a lot of it just requires a lot of either either extremely high currents extremely high electrical pulses or high voltages or you know these these expensive squids or something like that and that's the reason why scaler physics isn't better known because you have to kind of explore the extremes of things in order to to access these weird effects I'm glad you brought that up because I think a lot of people wonder why can't I just do this at my house why can't we make it in my house and I think that the what's getting made in the special access programs because these people have budgets of millions and billions of dollars they have super expensive equipment uh and I think if you were try to draw as much power as you need in order to create like really visible amounts of the effects you know you're going to get noticed or you're can have a very high electricity bill I would imagine that's out there um so when you were describing your uh the the hollow ball was that the uh like oscillating spherical capacitor that you were mentioning in your video as well cuz that was something I just was having a difficult time wrapping my brain around as well where you have this uniform fe uh charge I believe it was if I'm correct me if I'm incorrect within the ball as well is that yeah yeah essentially the difference is that if you just have just a metal ball you know just by itself that's only one layer that's one electrode so imagine if you take this hollow ball okay and you cover it with some sort of electrical insulator called a dialectric meaning something that blocks electricity so you put a dialectric around it could be wax could be some sort of plastic or uh if if you're really rich and in the Black Ops programs you would cover it in barium titanate which is a kind of material which has an extremely high dialectric constant anyway so you do that and then you cover it in another metal ball so essentially along you know the surface you have two layers you got the metal layer the insulator and then the metal layer actually that's that's three layers but you know and that's what forms a capacitor and what a capacitor is is it's a means for storing electrical energy so for example if you put positive voltage here negative voltage here you get an electric field between them and this electric field can store energy uh and when you put a dialectric in between it it allows you to store even more energy than you normally would in that space so the higher the dialectric constant is the more energy you can store in there so that's what that's what a spherical capacitor is is where you do that around the entire spherical shape so and I don't want to move totally away from this but I don't want to forget this is that are you familiar with the metam material of magnesium bisma zinc in terms of ufology is that the same concept you think there because isn't bismuth uh one of those materials it's like essentially a the what is dialectric is that what you said well bismuth is actually more of a a semiconductor okay it's more of a it's more like a metaloid semiconductor kind of thing but that is also useful because earlier when I mentioned um trying to create Collective electron motions or Collective electron currents that are coherent uh the problem with using things like copper for example the problem with using copper is that as I mentioned the electrons knock around like crazy in there uh and there there's other issues too it's called like the skin effect where the higher the frequency that you're trying to pump through there the more the electrons want to push to the outside and go along the skin of the material so you're missing all this awesome copper in the middle to try to conduct it uh but but long story short semiconductors are halfway between conductors like metals and non-conductors like the dielectrics that I mentioned okay so the halfway in between and that has certain benefits for for uh smoothing out and spreading out the electricity that you're trying to send through something so so if you want to have like a sheet of current that's moving collectively down you would want something like a plasma or something like a like a semiconductor in order to to do that more so than copper or more so than pure dialectric which you can't send electricity through it you can only try to try to compress it like a spring electrically so so bis me and the Magnesium thing um that one and and we're we're talking about samples that have been retrieved from supposed alien you know alien vehicle crashes essentially and and we don't know if it's really aliens or if that was like early 1950s or 60s Black Ops technology that they're experimenting with uh although interestingly enough um one of my professors in college who taught in my quantum physics classes I I met him before going to college on on a like a like a summer program at my high school and he took me to his lab where he's working on and he showed me what was it called it was called like EP epitaxial something vapor deposition that's what it was epitaxial vapor deposition and that's where they fire these gasified metals and substances at a surface to coat it and alternating layers of very very thin elements and he showed me a cross-section of this material and here later when I saw the news or or the video of that UFO footage it was identical but that was but that was supposedly retrieved decades earlier you see so it's it's interesting how science eventually comes around to what the UFO the UFO Community finds out you know years of not decades earlier yeah definitely it definitely feels like we are I don't know to me it just feels like reverse engineering like our science is catching up to the weird stuff that we're seeing float around totally but real quick I want to ask a few more questions on the scal of physics stuff and first question is do you believe there is an ether in terms of uh you know do you think that's the answer for how a lot of this stuff is can be possible because I think a lot of physicists would say given our conventional understanding related to Einstein's theories that we can't do a lot of the stuff that we're talking about right now what are your thoughts well you know the reason why modern physics kind of discounts the idea of The Ether it traces back to that Michaelson Morley experiment uh and that's where uh was it the early 1900s or late 1800s I always forget but anyway that that's where they literally tried to detect the motion of the earth through a stationary ether so they figured well you know the Earth is orbiting the Sun and if it's orbiting the Sun it's moving so therefore it's moving through a a medium that fills the universe a medium that fills the universe and if that's the case then light in the direction of movement should behave differently the light that's moving perpendicularly to it it's it's kind of like uh it's kind like the Doppler effect when you have a sound source that is moving away from you and then the frequency gets lower you know like motion affects frequency and wavelength of of waves so they did an experiment where they where they compared how light moves um you know in the direction of motion versus perpendicular to it uh and they expected one of these to be shorter they expected this one to be shorter to have a different wavelength or a different frequency and what they found is that they're actually both identical which means either that The Ether was moving with the Earth or the ether did not exist that's that's what they were thinking at the time and and that's when Einstein came along and so Rel relativity Einstein's relativity W out because it didn't depend on an ether to explain a lot of these phenomena right the problem though was that that this interfer this interferometer experiment uh they're sending light this path Into The Ether um but they weren't taking into account the fact that when you do that the this path length itself it also shrinks so there's length contraction in the way so the light that goes here it returns sooner than it would this way and that s of that that ended up canceling out uh any sort of change in the velocity of the speed of light you see so when they measured it and it ended up being exactly the same thing it's because essentially they were measuring light with light itself so when light speed slows down uh and your clock also slows down and your ruler shrinks well it's still going to be the same proportion you know so you're still going to think that oh well the speed of light is always the speed of light and that's the the central premise of Relativity that the speed of light is always constant no matter who the Observer is no matter if it's moving not moving in a gravitational field or in in in you know free empty flat space um but that wasn't see relativity was only one of the many ways that that you could explain some of these experimental observations uh there was a another parallel Theory called the Laurence ether Theory by hendrik lorence okay and his theory did involve an ether and and all the math was essentially the same as relativity it made the same predictions it worked just as well but it required the existence of a of an absolute stationary ether that permeated all the space and so physicists you know they kind of compared the two and they saidwell um both of these theories they got essentially the same math and they both exp explain the same experiments that we've observed but this one has something extra that relativity doesn't even need so let's go with relativity because it's a simpler theory that accounts for all these known observations that's the reason why they went with it the problem is the reason why they couldn't distinguish the two is because they didn't have the technology at the time in order to do the experiments to distinguish whether there actually was an either or not so because they didn't have the tools they assumed that that thing didn't exist and wasn't relevant just like earlier you know when they discounted the vector magnetic potential and the electric scalar potential and the whole scaler stuff they discounted it because they didn't they haven't hadn't yet detected it in experiments so do you think that then there is I presumably that there is an ether do you think Tesla was right what are your thoughts and totally and you know what the ironic thing is nowadays physicists talk about the vacuum being not empty space but teaming with a zero point energy field with virtual photons virtual particle flux and and and now they talk about vacuum polarization as if the vacuum itself is a dialectric medium so they're talking about The Ether it's just the terms yeah it's like not to look like fools for like see here's the problem if a physicist nowadays says that he or she believes in The Ether they're gonna laughed at yeah you can't you can't use that word but if they say that yeah you know I totally believe in in the vacuum virtual particle flux they're like oh wow smart smart person you know thumbs up and uh it's funny how much of it's just semantics right I'm bringing ether back by the way though I'm bringing it back I don't give a crap people think I'm crazy because I think I agree with you on that but yeah a lot of it's just oh what's your terminology and what have you so anyway continue if you want it's it's it's a it's terminology and it's also the also the principle of it because okay you know granted The Ether that people believed in during the 16 17 and 1800s it might the real ether might not exactly behave exactly the way that they that they figured um but it's pretty close and I think I think if you take that with the whole virtual particle stuff uh you can take both of those forward and and and converge upon a concept of The Ether that is accurate that is practical that cannot be uh cannot be disproven because it's it's solid you know it's like it's it's a real principle uh and so we do have to go down The Ether track we just have to make it more correct and more accurate to reality than than what they had in the 1800s essentially so do you think that we've already figured out a unification Theory then of quantum field mechanic or Quantum field Theory and general relativity do you think it's been suppressed or what are your thoughts on that uh I do believe that well all right so the way that I would put it is that even starting back in the 1800s when when Maxwell came out with this Theory and then ol ofer heavy side came along and kind of uh handicapped it I do believe that there were certain people um probably in government or maybe in private clubs or something like that who who started taking those other doors and they started experimenting with some of these principles because you know during during the time of the the late 1800s that's when you had Tesla already starting to do his Technologies so technology was already starting to evolve at that point that could go in very interesting directions so people had the tools back then to go down that route uh it's just that mainstream public science was kind of like a like a like a ship that's been cut off from Shore and is now just drifting into into Oblivion essentially and it's been drifting into Oblivion for the decades since then and and nowadays we hold quantum theory and and relativity high up on this pedestal as if that's the end all be all and then of course you got string theory and people who believe in dark energy and dark matter and Quantum Loop gravity and all these things but what if all of that is is barking up the wrong tree what if the wrong turn was actually taken a century ago and if you go back and you go with this parallel path that is the way to control gravity that is the way to control time and space and so on uh and nothing that some people even in the late or even in the 1890s were doing that so because back then in euphology you had things called the the uh Airship or the mystery Airship sightings of the early 1890s where what looked like these cylindrical cigar shaped crafts uh would you know a lot of people would see them and some of them would land and the person would come out and talk with someone and ask ask one person to mail a letter for him it sounded like a human to me it sounded like like people were occupying these things and experimenting with them uh and so so perhaps that was some of the earliest uh Black Ops stuff that was going on and it's only continued since that time now in terms of quantum physics and relativity I mean it has a lot a lot of validity to it of course but if you really get down to the fundamentals of each Theory you start to realize that physicists who subscribe to it even they themselves don't fully know what they're talking about or they don't fully know what it says about reality what things actually are at at a substanti of you know fundamental level they can only describe how things behave for example uh to give one instance of that uh the Einstein's field equations which is something that Jack sarfati is always talking about he always talks about the Einstein field equations all right well on the left side of the equation you have all these terms describing the curvature of space time okay so how much space and time warp that equals a constant you know a bunch of constants times uh the the stress energy tensor which is how much matter and energy and momentum is compacted into a given volume of space so basically the equation talks about how much a particular group of matter and energy and and momentum creates curvature in space and time that's all the equation is and then and then serati he adds a constant on the right side of that equation which he calls S I don't know if s stands for surfa or schmuck but it's one of those two you know uh schmuck I'm pretty sure yeah yeah yeah for yeah I talked to him the other week yeah so so you got you got the schmuck Factor on the right side of that equation okay and and this thing uh it amplifies or it decreases how much a particular uh clustering of matter and energy affects space and time so his his point you know and I can follow along with a lot of what he says not everything but a lot of it uh his point is that if you can control this this s variable the schmuck variable then you can control how much matter warps space and time and if you increase that to an extremely high level using this uh this this frill meta material that he's always talking about so if you do that as an example then a given quantity of energy whether it's electric energy magnetic Mass whatever can have an extreme warping effect on space time and that's how you can uh I don't know open a portal perhaps with a with a 9-volt battery you don't have to have the the capabilities of nuclear power plant next door just to burst open space and time and that's the issue with a lot of um mainstream approaches to let's say travel or opening singularities or you know warping space and time things like that is they're always going off the assumption that the Einstein's field equation is what it is and there is no schmuck Factor you know it's just it just is what it is and so therefore it takes a gargantuan amount of energy and mass or matter you know moving in crazy ways in order to warp space and time and that's why they've never been able to do it because it's it's practically impossible and yet go ahead I no I guess it was was going to say cuz you know that that Rings true with what Jack told me as well and his whole Theory doesn't take a lot of energy to produce these types of gravitational effects and that also reminded me of what Thomas Bearden said on the psychotronics uh video I was watching the other night where he talked about the Philadelphia Experiment and he said that you could make a battleship levitate with a flashlight and that's I think essentially what it saying you don't need a lot of energy because you just have this tiny battery in there in general but do you think that you think that Sara's uh you know theories like that can actually really realistically produce the types of gravitational effects that we need to have you know macroscopic visible large gravitational effects actually make a portal what is your thoughts yeah well his s factor uh he himself when he talks about it he he from what I understand he frames it from the Viewpoint of some sort of a relative permitivity in other words essentially that the dialectric constant of the vacuum can be modified uh I might be wrong but I think that's what it is cu because you know he says he says that on one hand but then on other times it seems like he says no that's not it so I'm not quite sure what he means there but that's the impression that I got it has to do with the dialectric constant or the index of refraction of The Ether essentially that when you modify that then that modifies everything that modifies intermolecular forces uh the electric field magnetic field gravitational stuff you it modifies all of it because you're you're modifying the The Matrix code essentially you're kind of modifying space time at the root and uh and the issue with it is that normally uh when you have no gravity round and no funny manipulation of scalar physics that s equals one so it's not apparent in Einstein's equations that there is an S there because if it's just one you know something times one equals itself so that that's that thing by itself is all that's needed in that equation for it to work out but there might actually be an actual s consonant there or S variable there which can be technologically manipulated and I'm pretty sure that that that if that exists then that is what's being manipulated through let's say the Divergence of the vector potential and that a scalar physics stuff you remember the the stuff in my sheet of paper that was written and red yeah I believe that that that that extra stuff I believe is what modifies that s constant so there's potentially like a unification between Jack's theories and other people are you familiar with salvator p as work as well yes yeah I I've read his patent recently and watched some of his interviews so I think he's pretty I think I think he's pretty spot on however he does lean more mainstream than surfa does because when he talks about warping SpaceTime um he's the one that believes that a huge amount of energy is required uh in in a compact area and that's why he talks about setups like a like a like a Charged electrical disc rotating rotating at extremely high speeds like 30,000 revolutions per minute which I mean if you try to do that for real it would it would blow apart with any man-made material that we're we're familiar with uh he he's supposedly in the projects that he worked for he did do setups of that but it was like less power and like slower rotation so it would I mean that was still feasible but I think to scale it up to where he wants it to be might be hard and instead of having physical rotating things which oh which by the way speaking of Joseph frell uh the Nazi DEA you know the the DEA device uh some some people believe that it used rotating Mercury right yeah I'm planning on looking at a rotating Mercury because it seems kind of interesting yeah rotating Mercury like ancient van technology like you know supposedly that's where that comes from the Ancient Ancient pre pre mahabarata um epics in India the civilization that came a little bit before that they they were the ones that had this advanced technology according to their mythology in India uh and and they had flying machines they had what appeared to be nuclear weapons for example there's like accounts of it in their myths of those things I mean for all we know it didn't even happen on Earth it could have happened on some other planet and the myths were brought here to Earth you know for all we know right that's maybe that's why there's no archaeological evidence of some of those things but that's that's a little side topic but point being but point being that salvator P when he wants to have a a rotating charge disc maybe you don't need that maybe you just need rotating Mercury because it's metal that's rotating and you just charge it to high enough voltage and uh perhaps you get some interesting effects well I mean you wouldn't even have to like pump voltage into it necessarily because when you take Mercury and you roll it over the surface of glass you get something called the tribo electric effect and that's where it generates its own static electricity so so if you've got this swirling uh uh Vortex of mercury essentially you would get it's it producing its own high voltage field for all I know I mean that's just like a side note I'm like I'm going off on T good I think that this is this is my message to Jack out there because I guess we've had a little bit of falling out for some reason um but uh no no fault of my own but I think that a lot of people like for me it's like the truth is somewhere in the middle like I've interviewed salvator pz I've interviewed Jack sarfati and you know it's like physicist versus engineers and they have different ways of seeing stuff and I kind of think that there's definitely in my opinion at least a way to manipulate gravity out there and maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle maybe it doesn't take huge amounts of energy to pull off but maybe it's not simple as just using Einstein's equations um is that kind of how you see it as well I mean you seem like a guy who kind of me takes a measured response on everything yeah if you go back in time and you look at when quantum physics and relativity came around it's not like the the pre physics of that time period like the Newtonian classical physics it's not like that was proven false it was just proven incomplete and you know Newtonian physics is a limiting case or a subset of quantum physics and relativity so in other words if if you take this complicated Machinery of quantum physics and relativity and you say okay well let's assume that it's actually simpler than this and it's a little bit simpler there and uh you scale it up a little bit you know all those little weird Quantum things they start canceling each other out and what you're left with is classical physics as we know it like you know the like billiard balls hitting other billiard balls and transferring energy momentum the things that we learn in high school and Junior High about science that is what falls out of quantum physics and relativity when you make certain simp simplifying assumptions so what that means is that quantum physics and relativity are very likely subsets or limiting cases of something that goes even Beyond it and you know a simple example of that is what I have you know on my sheet here which that you've got the Maxell equations which are you know tiny and then you just add a little bit more to it but that little thing that you add to it that's like a suet of the subset so so I do think that um you know scalar physics can take us a Step Beyond and we do have to look at the areas that have been ignored up to now okay couple more questions this I'm loving the science conversation by the way and I think the chat is as well so we're going to keep going this direction for now um one thing that I want to go back to briefly is do you believe that dark matter and dark energy are real do you think that we've simply misunderstood some other property interaction of The Ether and the VAC from the SpaceTime well you know dark matter and dark energy the only reason why those have been invented as explanations is because the equations that they're going off of are those incomplete equations there are they're working with an in incomplete version of gravity and SpaceTime and relativity and general relativity and so once they encounter these actual anomalies and measurements they they have two options they can either change their Theory or they can make new predictions that are false based on the old theory that is incomplete and I think that's the route that they've gone because it's a safer route it's it's safer to respect you know the elders and and go with the existing science and don't question it and merely merely point it in a New Direction than to say oh no you guys were flawed you you missed things for the past Century you know all those hundreds if not thousands of phds were looking looking in the wrong direction you know that's what bugs me because you've got people out there and I'm just going to throw shade on NE Tyson cuz it's uh in Vogue right now but you know you got him going oh we can't understand this we can't understand a Double SL experiment we don't know what dark energy and dark matter are and it just we don't know you know and they go on and talk shows and talk about it it's like well there has to be an answer you know maybe we should look back at what we thought was true before you know maybe it's not as simple as you know expanding upon what we've already developed but actually like taking a hard look at what we already thought was true and then looking at it through a new lens out there what is your opinion on some of what I would call the science influencers that are out there do you think that they're getting in their own way do you think they're stopping progress well it's it's become invogue well so so back in college when I was doing my quantum physics classes my professor said to the class that it's not our job to understand why or what is actually happening it is our job to do the calculations and get the results to do the measurements you know I mean what what kind of mindset is that and and I think it was his way way of maybe coping with the incomprehensibility of certain aspects of quantum physics because you know uh what was a Richard fman said that if you're not uh uh mystified by quantum physics then you don't truly understand it something like that I'm paraphrasing but basically it's become acceptable to treat quantum physics as people treated uh you know Catholicism back in the Middle Ages which is God works mysterious ways don't point out the contradictions if you do you don't you're displaying Faith so if you want to have faith just don't question just do you know just do what you're told pay pay your indulgences and and you'll get to heaven one day that's a good analogy yeah because I you know I think there is this certain weird Dogma now that's been built into Academia and uh it feels like a lot of people are afraid to push the boundaries and I think that in my opinion science isn't as much as science is iterative um it really goes in Leaps and Bounds in my opinion not necessarily in like tiny little foot pths and I think people kind of forgotten that you know there's been people that made huge strides and I think if we were to look back in history we would see that a lot of these uh great scientists that we rever were probably thought of as crazy or you know what have you back in the past you agree yeah they were and and our our perception of them nowadays is a very Whittle down caricature of who they actually were like Isaac Newton for example Isaac Newton what what do we remember him for okay the Apple falling on his head he looked up at the moon and connected the two like gravity to or orbital motion okay okay um but he was an alchemist as well he was deeply into Al Alchemy and occultism because he because at the time there was no political correctness there was no uh you know government grants and things like that that kept everyone in line so hey if you're an alchemist and you're trying to figure out gravity it's all part of the same picture of trying to figure out what's actually going on uh and of course but but the nowadays we just trying to try to try to ignore that that shadier side of him you know the the Alchemy stuff but but it's but it's it's modern societ that that's at fault he was complete in himself he was his own person but we only want to take that little tiny extract of him that suits our blind spots and our biases and that's that's wrong you know that's wrong it's like uh the same thing with science nowadays any anytime a major anomaly occurs that doesn't fit Theory they're confronted with a choice do we hush it up or do we go against the entire establishment and most of the time they they hush it up you know and same thing in archaeology or biology genetics whatever things that are just too controversial it's like it's like Planet of the Apes you know the original Planet of the Apes movie with Dr Zas trying to trying trying to keep keep things hush and that's where we are so intellectually and scientifically we are still in a kind of Dark Age even nowadays and you know and that's why it's no surprise that after all these decades and you know particle colliders man billions and billions of dollars spent like what do we have anti-gravity yet in the mainstream no no we don't meanwhile meanwhile we have these private contractors working with black ops military flying around in you know super do super duper ships and going at like mock 60 or whatever and doing right angle turns in midair they're doing that why because they don't have the reputations to defend in the private little Labs that they're working in it's no surpris wants to come out either because you know you you would just get attacked by mainstream Academia where it's like they're getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and they get to work with magic why why would they want to come out and risk any of that right well exactly and that's an impediment to disclosure the fact that you do have all these people and organizations and the entire military industrial complex getting rich off of their asymmetric power advantage over the mainstream and so in a way you know NASA and Academia it's kind of like a like a circus Sideshow to to to divert us from the real thing uh and so and so that's why me personally that's that's one of the reasons why I left I did I didn't want to go into Academia because I knew I'd be entering into this Ed politically restrictive uh environment I didn't want to do that I would rather make money in some other way unrelated to all this and then do my physics on my own time on the side because that gives me total freedom to do and say whatever I want you know no ndas no worries about grants and reputations and you know hoping to one day get tenure or something like that uh it's it's more freedom but at the same time of course it is harder because if you don't have as much funding then you can't do as much so it's just kind of a pro and con to each well I appreciate your work um let's talk a little bit more about scalar physics and uh radar uh what do you see do you see a connection at all between scalar physics and radar yeah well so so radar you're just using regular electromagnetic waves you send them out and then the reflections you Monitor and depending on their timing you can you can deter and the direction you can determine how far away something is I me that's the basics of radar uh but of course radar can be taken in more complicated ways where not only do you send it out and get it back but you you monitor how what you get back how how the wfront of it is shaped uh and that that gets more into like holography and some really complicated applications of radar uh which still is Think Like phase conjugation great so so phase conjugation that's something that Tom Bearden talks about all the time because because Tom Bearden he uh he was a retired lieutenant colonel in the Army right he spent 20 years in the Army and he has a he has a minor well he's got degrees in mathematics and I believe engineering something like that so he's got a backgr in it and then when he was in the military he also got a grant to study some other some other things so he picked up a lot of different you know various types of scientific skills uh enough enough to probably make sense of what he what he heard through the grap Vine while being in the military from like these these closed off special access programs and so on he probably picked up a lot of it and then he put the pieces together himself using his knowledge and so that's why when he talks about a lot of these Fringe scaler physics applications a lot of it seems very spot-on but then other parts of it seems to me it's almost like he just did the best he could to try to piece things together and he himself didn't even know 100% about how it worked but you know so he talked about it in a more General way without really giving the math I mean me coming from a physics and electrical engineering background the math for me is final in the sense that if you can dissect it and look at the math then you can tell what's actually going on and whether it's actually true or false okay but if you don't have the math and you only have Concepts then it's more in the realm of maybe like okay yeah this could make sense but we'll have to test it out I'm not quite sure you know so Tom Bearden he talks about a lot of it uh not in terms of math but in terms of principles and ideas and theories which is good I mean it's really good for for exploring new ideas and and trying to figure out the esoteric applications of scalar physics however I would have liked to see a little bit more math in some of his stuff so that I can kind of look under the hood and see if it's if it's uh truly valid and if there are any other ways of interpreting it than what he interpreted as now so okay so going back to radar what what Tom beon talks about is where uh you take electromagnetic waves okay and you overlap them in such a way that they cancel out so imagine you've got a wave like this okay but you've got another wave that goes down like this so you got one amplitude one electric field Vector pointing this way another electric field Vector pointing this way and if you overlap them in space then you get cancelling electromagnetic fields so it's a basically it's called a um Vector summing see see Vector you sum these vectors to zero now physics would say um if you sum it to zero then you just got empty space there's nothing there but that's not true because what you do have is you still have stress on that SpaceTime Point okay it's just like if you have once again the Rope analogy yeah yeah yeah exactly so if you have like a rope okay and you pull it from one end at a certain amount of force like 10 Newtons it's going to fly off in that direction it's going to accelerate in that direction if you apply 10 Newtons in the other direction it's going to fly off in that direction now if you apply 10 newtons on both ends equally what happens it's going to be stationary just as if you applied no Force at all and so modern physicists would say okay well there you know the force is summed to zero it doesn't matter if it's zero force or it's minus 10 and plus 10 or minus 100 or plus 100 it's all going to sum to zero so therefore there is no motion and these are all equivalent but they're not equivalent because one has no tension the other one has more tension in the rope and the other one has a lot of tension in the rope and eventually the Rope is just going to snap hm so good point so when you sum these vectors together electric this way electric that way or you know magnetic this way magnetic that way when you sum them to zero it's going to put stress on SpaceTime and if you do it enough SpaceTime just like the Rope is going to snap and that's when you get a portal or a singularity you know you reach you go beyond a certain threshold of what SpaceTime can sustain and you're going to essentially create like a like a mini black hole or something like that you know due to all the SpaceTime stress and you know in this case yeah and and if if you try to do that using just uh without the schmuck Factor if you just try to do it just the regular the regular way then you're you're going to need way too much electromagnetic energy to I mean there's just's no way there not not even a nuclear power plant could could put out that much power to rip it open but that if if you got that s factor that you can manipulate then it's kind of like it's kind of like a like like putting oil in a door lock so that you can pick it more easily okay you can pick it way more easily make the process more efficient exactly yeah you you catalyze it's like a catalyst okay it makes it more efficient and at that point yeah sure you know you could you could like I said a 9volt battery to lift an airplane or something like that or or so on um but okay yeah but but even even without that even if you just cancel electromagnetic waves and you sum them to zero uh that results in well you get rid of the electric you get rid of maybe the magnetic so all you're left with then is is a potential remember remember how I talked about how force fields are arise out of simpler potential Fields what if you get rid the force fields you still got the potential Fields so you've got this potential field beam that you're essentially aiming and it can't be detected by ordinary instruments because ordinary instruments like radios or you know something like that they only rely on the electric force or the magnetic force that's what moves them so without that you can't detect it but potentials still have an effect on matter okay they still have an effect on matter which was proven via the aharonov bom effect where what they did was they they had a setup where you had like a coil of wire okay it's like a like a toid or like a really long coil of wire and when you have a coil of wire all the magnetic field is concentrated inside the space of the coil there is no magnetic field around it however there is still a magnetic Vector potential circulating around the coil in the space outside of it and so they fired an electron through this magnetic Vector potential in the absence of any magnetic field and they found that uh when they did some Quantum experiments with it that this Vector magnetic potential would alter the quantum phase of the electron it altered it on a Quantum level and you know some physicists will say well that doesn't mean anything that doesn't have any effects but it actually does I mean it can affect things in very surprising ways all right so you know to answer your questions radar if you take a radar beam and you sum it with itself in in an opposing way like a phase conjugated way then you kind of cancel all the vectors out and you get a scalar beam that you can do things with now Bearden said that if you take two such scalar beams and cross them okay in the region where they cross the scaler stuff starts canceling itself out and then you're back to an a regular electromagnetic wave right and so so in this way for example you can take two scalar beams send them way far out cross them at a very remote distance and you're essentially creating like an electromagnetic Fireball in that spot with nothing in between that's detectable because it's all scalar in between but but you know but but it's becoming it's becoming real again at that point where it intersects and that is the thing that I would like to see the maath for uh he he does cite a couple papers by Whitaker from 1912 or 1907 I forget now but it's the early 1900s by Whitaker where the math is in there uh I only took a look at it once and I need to take a look at it again to really try to nail down how that process would actually work so so right now I put that stuff you know the the crossing beams and so on I put that in the very likely but not fully convinced yet category for me so I'm still exploring it as I'm trying to say interesting um yeah that's that's I mean you hit every single aspect I was going to ask you about there as well um and I think that's probably good for the scaler stuff I guess one other aspect I want to ask you about is what do you think about Antarctica um you have anything because have you are you familiar with Eric hacker at all and his claims about the um ice cube uh antenna or um at all in terms of basically saying that it might be a directed energy weapon and not just a receiver and that they may be have having FAS and light communication going on down there you have any thought on any of that yeah I heard about that and actually one of my physics professors in college was working on the nutrino detectors down there supposedly yeah yeah so so I know someone who supposedly works there um and do you think there's more going on down there than meci or what's your thoughts well yeah so so typically when you have big projects like that where a lot of money is put into it and especially an Arctica uh or like CERN for example big projects like that usually they are Dual Purpose where you've got the public purpose and then you've got the secret you know black ops military purpose to it now I don't I don't know if Ice Cube specifically would be a particle beam weapon however I do know or I strong strongly suspect that CERN is capable of it and the way that they're doing it is they're doing it through what they call particle beam dumps which is after they've run their experiments and they've got all the circulating energy they need to dump it into something in order to get rid of it so they can work on the machines and do maintenance and so on so they got these giant graphite cylinders the size of school buses made of graphite okay so they're made of graphite and so they just take the beam and they divert it into this graphite block so that it can absorb the energy and they can get rid of it however when you do that you generate a very big strong beam of extremely high neutrinos or high energy neutrinos higher than even what the sun puts out okay so that is a kind of quantum technically technically it's like a Quantum particle beam weapon that they're doing through these graphite blocks uh which to the public they're saying oh no it's just a way of getting rid of energy yet that stuff is there and it's they admitted it themselves that it generates a copious amount of neutrinos when they do that I think that's a small example of dual use right where there's something underneath the nose of everyone that is being used for some other purpose potentially and I can't rule out therefore that Ice Cube and nutrino detectors and things like that don't also have uh a connection which is interesting because CERN graphite blocks high energy neutrinos and then Antarctica nutrino detectors what is it about neutrinos there's something special about neutrinos that that is common to both and uh you know maybe maybe that's something worth looking into interesting well thank you for your thoughts on that I think I want to ask about K of blue here because I I promis we would get to it even though we've been having such a great science discussion I feel like we could talk for several hours more about the science side of it here um have you had an opportunity to look at this kona blue document this uh was Declassified by a a o I believe I looked at the dates it looked like it had been kind of approved for declassification back in February um today uh I don't know if you're familiar but for the people who are listening to this um there was a Tucker Carlson Joe Rogan podcast that dropped today it leaked last night early uh I snapped a clip of it from some other people that basically said that Tucker Carlson had sounded like Tucker Carlson had been told by Lou alzando because he was the head of atip and there's some reference to a tip and his connection there that uh Lando had been known that this document was real that this PR a special Access program called kona blue is real and that he was sworn to secrecy had to send a document for it seems like he told Tucker Carlson this Tucker Carlson told Joe Rogan on the podcast and when we look through this it talks about some pretty incredible stuff and I want to get your opinion on whether or not you think this is real disinformation partially disinformation what aspects of it are compelling to you um some of the things and I'll go ahead and just share it real quick as well so that we can just kind of take a look um this should show up let's double check can you see that as well yeah yeah okay so they have stuff like there's different they brecks it down into different centers so you have this National Institute for Discovery which is data collection experimental division medical division data analysis you've got your Advanced Technology Center uh regarding access to recovered advanced technology pretty interesting uh collecting oral histories from certain sources that were out there consciousness Center um and collecting critical data utilizing remote sensing that's very interesting in my opinion um and then your integration Center which is taking data from other centers that are out there now some of the aspects of this that I thought were interesting I may have to go to um oh yeah here's the summaries of them in general um some of the stuff that I thought was interesting it talks about remote viewing in here expand on remote viewing and remote communication retrieve data and transport across dimensional and space time barriers maybe we just start with that what is your thoughts on remote viewing and transporting either Consciousness or matter across dimensions and SpaceTime given the context of the science that we've been talking about here well my impression from reading this document is that in this in that particular section they're talking about remote viewing and about sending your Consciousness beyond the boundaries of SpaceTime it could be into the future into the past into parallel timelines other dimensions something like that and retrieving information and bringing that back so because it was all under the same heading okay so that that was the impression that I got and in terms of what we've been talking about so far um it seems to me that even okay so even under Maxwell's equations uh that talks about electromagnetic waves when you solve those equations for what a wave actually does there's one solution where you know it goes forward in time as you would expect but there's another solution where it goes backwards in time and so these are called Advanced and waves okay so max Wells ations don't rule out signals being sent back in time from the future they're they're baked into the math itself there's nothing there's nothing ruling it out uh and so I think that's one example of information potentially breaking the space-time barrier you know um in relativity they talk about how information cannot be sent faster than the speed of light and so therefore you can't really send information back in time either because in order to go back in time you have to break that SpaceTime bubble you have to go beyond light beyond the the SpaceTime light bubble uh light cone in order to to send something back but uh when we're talking about scalar physics in terms of potentials like magnetic Vector potential the electric scalar potential those things are not as um well the technical term would be invariant they're not as invariant as uh the electric or the magnetic force fields are so if you send signals using scalar waves they're not as Bound by the laws of physics or the by the laws of determin M and regular you know SpaceTime and relativity and so on because they started getting a little bit more non-deterministic there's more Free Will and Consciousness involved there and so therefore if there's anything coming back in time from the future in terms of signals it is very likely these uh these scalar waves rather than uh electromagnetism or or things like that it's more more likely these scalar waves are coming back in time and for those of you that are into quantum physics and are into David bone and his Pilot wave theory for examp example the question has always been what are these pilot waves that guide the trajectory of the particle in like in the double slit experiment for example well I think I think the pilot wave is not only a wave that goes forward in time but also things coming from the future and because the future is is multiple like there's different probable Futures you actually have multiple signals coming back from different probable Futures all combining in the present and that entire structure of this forward time and reverse time influence this is what creates the wave function as we know it you know it's both forward time and reverse Time stuff and the actual medium the actual uh yeah the actual medium of communication that's being used there is very likely these potentials and the reason why I say that is because in quantum physics as I mentioned with the with the aov bom experiment it is the potentials that affect things on a Quantum level so if an electron uh through the double s experiment goes a little bit this way instead of that way what is it that nudged it what is it that nudged it and it's very likely uh a mix of forward or past to Future and Future to past scalar potential signals that are intermixing in the present creating like an interference pattern almost like a hologram in a way and the particle kind of follows that trajectory if you want to use bomes thing so I just wanted to deviate on a I love pilot wave theory uh honestly that's even before I started digging into this science years ago I always thought for some reason when I heard pilot wave theory I just seemed to connect with me um and the aof bone effect as well seems like something that people should really look into it gets repeated pretty much all the time and the science that I've been digging into Thomas be mentions it many times as well yeah one thing I want to highlight about the pilot wave theory is that a lot of people say that the pilot wave theory is deterministic in the sense that when you have this field this pilot wave which you can calculate when you have this pilot wave affecting a particle the particle is being pushed on by this Quantum force in in a mathematically predictable way which takes you know all the non-determinism out of quantum physics so people try to say that this theory is is deterministic but it actually isn't because B himself in his book he admits that this pilot wave has an extra term on it which is like a random Quantum fluctuation term so as much as a pilot wave can be mathematically described there is noise that exists in it that makes things unpredictable and the question is where does this noise come from I think it comes from Beyond Space time from the future probable Futures Consciousness the soul you know all these things they those are the things that add that unpredictability factor so it's not it's not fully deterministic yeah so what do you think about time then because I would almost argue what you're saying it reminds me of uh the True Detective season one time is a flat circle that time is not necessarily linear as we perceive it what are your thoughts well I do like what sarfati said about time I actually agree with with a lot of what he said about causality but retrocausality and the fact that intuition is like a you know the future flowing into the present whereas memory is the the past flowing to the present like entanglement entanglement with future probable Futures versus entanglement with the past I thought that was pretty insightful and I agree with that uh now just in terms of time though I think that I think that everything that can happen in the many worlds Theory anything that could possibly happen has already happened in a mechanical sense so the the analogy that I like to use is like a like a road map or like a tapestry where the entire carpet or the entire road map is already on paper you know it's already laid out and all the roads that you could possibly take are already on the map right but the actual road that you will end up taking has not yet been ided so it is actually your Consciousness that is moving through a pre-existing Matrix or tapestry a road map of possibilities right so the universe as a whole has a universal wave function which encodes all of its possible States from the very beginning of time to the very end of time and it encodes all these possibilities and that is the road map that we as consciousnesses are traversing okay however we are traversing through it collectively it's almost like you and I we are well right now obviously we are synchronized in time because otherwise we wouldn't be able to have this conversation so your Consciousness and my Consciousness we are synchronized in time right now Friday April 19th at 8:30 PM eastern time so we we can talk uh what this really means is that continuously our Consciousness is Phase locking or entangling with all the other people that are doing it at the same time and so we're all kind of chain ganged together moving through this road mapap or this tapestry of possibilities into the future and that's what creates our sense of time um now I don't I don't think it is you and I individually that is deciding to go you know second by second into the future I think we are being carried Along by uh a kind of I guess what Rupert sheldrake would call a morphogenetic field basically basically a collective Consciousness field that is binding us all together and is moving us through time the same way that water and River carries swimmers down the river okay so we're being moved along Through Time by I guess what the ancient Greeks would call the Demi urge you know some sort of a universal thought form uh construct that is propagating time on its own and then we are just along for the ride and kind of deciding where in that time stream you know we want to go more a little bit here a little bit there which then affects which Road intersection will'll take and and so on um it's kind of complicated but ultimately I think everything is consciousness it's just a matter of uh what rules and agreements Consciousness abides by you know yeah yeah no that makes sense so would you say that opens the door to stuff like remote viewing do you believe remote viewing is possible I think so I think so because our Consciousness isn't it's only bound to the clock because we are in these bodies which have this particular DNA which has certain Quantum properties that synchronizes us all to the same time rate essentially uh but if you if you bypass the biological brain If you bypass the the five senses then you're no you're no longer bound to uh only perceive or interact with this current moment in SpaceTime so that means you can project it to the Future project it to the past to parallel timelines to parallel possibilities uh I think the only limitation really is the degree to which your Consciousness can entangle with those less than real or less than um relevant possibilities whether it's it's it's probable pasts or parallel timelines or probable Futures you see when when Jack surfa talks about closed Tim like curves for example when he talks about closed time like turves curves what he's talking about he's talking about physical time travel uh back in time into the very same pth that you came from which then ends up leading to your same moment that you left from right so it's just closed curve deterministic yeah it is deterministic because as long as you stay in this Loop you have no ability to deviate from it so you have no free will so whatever you end up doing is a thing that you would have always done to get to that point that you left from and that is the best that relativity has for dealing with time travel however if you start getting more into quantum physics instead of Relativity then you're not dealing with just determinism you're dealing with non-determinism which if you want to combine the two the way that it would look is that uh your futures aren't singular your futures are are multiple you know like like one point can split off into many different possibilities so if you go through them back into the past it's not just one loop it's a bundle of Loops that Circle back on another bundle of Loops that are all intersecting at this present moment and so what that means is that if you do time travel uh instead of a closed Tim likee curve it's more of an open space-like curve for anyone who knows what relative you know what space like means in relativity it means you're going faster than light you're going outside uh determinism and uh you're interacting with probable Futures probable past in a fuzzy non-deterministic way that is the key what Jack talks about he talks about deterministic Clos timelight curves and I'm talking about open space-like non-deterministic fuzzy curves and so so there's a different kinds of time travel there's one that creates the exact same path that you left and then there's another that uh involves more indirect interaction and this is interesting because according to this math and I'm talking about this paper by Daniel Greenberg and Carl swel his name was called quantum theory looks at time travel in that paper they kind of game out mathematically what would happen if you did have this fuzzy time travel between probable Futures and probable pasts how would that look and what they concluded is that uh yeah yes within that entire Dynamic you could have these closed timelight curves exactly like surfa talks about however you could also have fuzzy time travel where this probable future interacts with this probable past that it didn't even come from but it's close enough that it could sort of interact the problem is the interaction isn't 100% entanglement it's not 100% correlation it's not deterministic it's non-deterministic it's fuzzy it's semi correlative and what that means is that if that time traval comes back in time like that they're not going to be 100 % real they're not going to be 100% tangible or physical they might be more ethereal like a ghost or they might be physical but only let's say 1% of the time so the person they're trying to interact with maybe most of the time they miss ever being able to meet up or you know it only happens under very weird rare circumstances and so what does that plus the etheric ghostlike nature of it remind you of it reminds you of a lot of UFO encounters or Paranormal Activity right it's like it's e it's either a person experiences something that is there but sort of ethereal you know like a shadow person or some sort of translucent form or something like that or it is physical it is tangible but it can only happen at very brief Windows of time like abductions where you don't remember most of it afterwards or it can only happen in the middle of nowhere in the dead of night you know these very special conditions those two things that Encompass euphology and Paranormal Activity it's weird how the laws of fuzzy time travel imply that and so I think about that a lot you know it's kind of f yeah so is that you think that's kind of equivalent to many worlds and string theory and the idea of like the Mandela effect is that kind of where your thought process is going then people don't know Mandel effect is the idea that like yeah sometimes we can retroactively change the past and then we have like false memories of what things used to be well the thing about retro retrocausality is that it's not it's not always necessary to change the past that we remember sometimes it's only necessary to select the past that we never remembered or never experienced and what do I mean by this for example um let's say that you're driving you drive over a pothole and it bends the axle on your car and all of a sudden you need $1,000 dollar to get it fixed but you don't have the money okay so theoretical example so you need to get your car fixed ASAP uh you need $1,000 you don't know where it's going to come from and uh but you have some sort of wish or inkling or intuition that it's gonna it's going to come like in a magical way and what do you know three days later in the mail you get a check for $1,100 from some class action lawsuit you don't even remember being part of that ends up paying to get your axle repaired but the thing is if you trace back when that letter got mailed it got mailed the prior week so it got mailed before you even drove over the podole that bencher axle that you need the money for it's very strange and so what some people can conclude therefore is that the past was somehow changed or selected when you needed it when you got the accident and you needed that money the past was somehow influenced to create that check that came in the mail three days later okay and and that's a form of retro causality but it's not really retro causality what it might Simply Be is that the past was open there were many different probable passs that could have led to that present moment you know in one pass there was a class action lawsuit another one there wasn't another one it was only $500 right another one was only $100 you don't know you don't know anything about these lawsuits so as far as you're concerned all of these different probable past timelines I mean they could have all coexisted just like in the double slid experiment where you don't look at it and all of a sudden the two electrons going through the two different paths they interfere with each other because they both exist simultaneously as long as you're not observing as long as you're not remembering as long as you're not interacting with it it's open it's fluid it's Quantum selectable right so there are aspects of our past that are still open still Quantum selectable because we never observed them we didn't even know about them so there are these open areas that if right now in the present you needed something selected or change in the past well you know what no big deal because you're selecting past number 155 instead of 15 6 and 155 is the one that leads to you getting that check three days later right so what I'm saying is you know it's not always that you're you're traveling back in time and changing things physically sometimes it's simply a matter of selecting what still has not yet been measured or observed even if it happened a year ago a thousand years ago whatever you know it can lead to synchronicities like this or manifesting like this or I think if the process goes wrong you know yeah sure it could lead to something like the Mandela effect where you got these two groups of people each one with a lot of collective Consciousness powers all right but they're tugging on the past in different ways you know maybe one it was barenstein Bears another one was burn stain Bears so but now they exist in the same Collective reality and unfortunately they're both still entangled with different pasts and so they have different memories just like what Jack talks about with memory being entanglement with the past but what if it's entanglement with alternate pasts then you're going to get alternate memories I mean I think that's what it comes down to yeah I mean for me it's Fruit of the Loom there was definitely Cornucopia I will fight anybody out there to prove that that Cornucopia existed but um now so this is a good segue into the conversation I want to talk about the nature of the UFO phenomenon and I'm going to be very straightforward about this and I'm just going to preface it with that um Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson were talking about this today and uh Tucker Carlson had this belief that the phenomenon might have a spiritual nature I think that based on what you just said regarding retrocausality various timelines if you want to think of it like that these Loops I could absolutely see this connection between that and ghost and extra dimensional beings whatever they want to say uh I think that there's also this idea that um aliens could be visiting us from far away if we have faster and light kind of commun travel that's possible especially manipulating gravity and gravity waves and then I think the other uh theory that in my mind at least has a lot of prominence is this ultraterrestrial hypothesis uh or Cryptids you know that they come from the water they come from underground what is or the other Theory based on what we're talking about retrocausality is that it's future us communica to the past as well and then we are giving ourselves information about how our civilization is going to advance what is your thoughts on those theories is there anyone you like the most you think it's a mixture potentially what do you think's going on with non-human intelligence well the first thing that I need to bring up here is that if we are dealing with time travelers from the future then we would be dealing with probable time travelers from probable Futures rather than just one time traveling group from one future and the reason why I bring that up is because uh it's it's it's very easy like let's say that they are Psychopathic manipulators they're Liars they're deceivers then it's easy very easy for them to say that we are your future so essentially you have no free will and you will become us because it has to be that way because we're here right now and according to to the laws of Relativity and closed timeline curves you must create the future that we come from and that's why we are here and that's a that's a tricky way of kind of uh sidest stepping the Free Will issue right if you get people to believe that they have no free will but if you believe in in in open open space- likee curves then there are probable Futures and then you know then what you're potentially talking about is a Time war between time traveling factions from different Loops from different from different curves uh and in that case yeah I mean we then the future is open and that would that would probably explain why within the abduction phenomenon contact e euphology uh even in the disclosure process there seem to be different agendas at work that are opposed to each other that are I mean from what I can tell this is just based on me interacting with tons of experiencers and doing a lot of research right it's uh I know I know like people that are more into the nuts and bolts aspect of it they might find this kind of ludicrous but I'm I'm going based on based off of detective work working with very weak signals trying to trace you know filter out signal from noise and so on I do detect that there are different agendas at play uh some of them that are more pro- humanity and some of them that are anti humanity and so the disclosure process it's not just about revealing the truth about UFOs it's also about feeling the truth about what these things actually are uh not only that but also what agendas there might be so what motives because you know it's kind of tempting to treat it all as the phenomenon as if it's like a space nebula that we don't fully understand I mean it's not that it's it's actual sentient beings that appear to have intelligence and motives uh and agendas and very very far ranging political uh strategies about how to massage Humanity in the direction that they wanted to go right uh and so we we always have to look beyond the scientific towards the more um detective way of looking at this you know so-called phenomenon that because you know it's not it's not just about it's not just about matter and energy and and and how their proportion works it's also about what their motives are and what they ultimately have in store for us and unfortunately um things like the nits incident or MH370 things like that um those only only start to step up to the to the realm of motivation but if you really want to look into actual motivation you do have to go more into the abduction field for example contact D field to look at not only what they say but to read between the lines of what they say in case what they say is deception you know so uh now regarding the ultraterrestrial hypothesis I think that's a big part of it because they do have um hyper hyper physics at their disposal spending space time and doing all this crazy crazy Maneuvers and so on and being invisible being able to levitate and an abductee out on a blue beam through a closed window I mean that's been reported hundreds of times so they have these technologies that border on uh what we would call a cult now unfortunately some people want to call it a spiritual Factor like I know I think jacqu valet and some others say they talk about the spiritual component to the UFO phenomenon and that's an unfortunate choice of words because spiritual implies almost like religious you know like like more ethically Advanced but that's not always the case so that's why I prefer paraphysical or oul because oul could mean demonic you know it could mean Psychopathic it could mean just pure psychic power without the ethics or the Integrity or the spiritual Evolution that that comes with it which is possible I mean because there's Black magicians there's people who engage in psychic vampirism practices you know all within the umbrella of occultism and uh you know interestingly enough some of these reports of interactions with aliens during abductions they also have psychic vampirism component you know sadistic um sadistic experiences that these beings are doing to people as if to feed on their suffering in some weird way it's that's like the more uh Fringe aspect of an already Fringe topic but I did want to touch on that so what I'm saying is you know it's a big multi-dimensional phenomenon uh but it's more than just a phenomenon it's possibly a very far- ranging complicated agenda that we have to look into as if we were detectives trying to detect a motive interesting so do you think that it's possible there are aliens visiting us like physical Little Green Men coming from somewhere else do you think yeah I mean yeah and and the only way to really get at that is to look at as much anecdotal data as you possibly can now you know anecdotal data it gets a bad rap in science because it's not reliable however however we are not dealing with a with an inert phenomenon that can be put in a controlled setting we're dealing with an intelligent phenomenon that has its own motives and that does not necessarily want to be discovered okay so the the typical scientific method of only looking at you know ground traces and chemical analyses and metal anal that's not enough to unravel the the nature of what's going on so therefore you do have to look at anecdotal data in order to discern motives just like a detective does I mean the det a detective relies upon forensics but it also relies upon witness testimony and putting pieces together the timing of things the motives you know uh try trying to build a case to to solve to solve a crime uh and the same thing with this phenomenon as well where it does appear that we do have biological and non physical non-biological beings that are non-human that are intelligent that are more intelligent than us and that have uh Super Hyper physical technology at their disposal and you know it's kind of intimidating but when you look at things like the K of blue document for example where whoever wrote that they they believe in that they believe it's worth getting money from Congress to investigate it right so these are these are not just crackpots these are people playing with millions and millions of dollars they believe in it they have the expertise so if they if they do then uh I don't see anything wrong with people like us believing that too so then in just a couple sentences which of those hypothesis do you think is the one you lean on the most or do you think it's really just combination of all of them I think that a lot of these possibilities are not mutually exclusive where it's very possible that you can have a biological race of non-human entities that come from another star system um that have extradimensional abilities and that could possibly also be here from the future right so a future extradimensional other star system that are here now in this dimension in this time on this planet um now of course when you when you look at the actual abduction cases it's interesting that so many of these beings are humanoid and that some of them seem to be able to be hybridized with humans meaning that they have DNA uh which clearly tells me that whatever they are if they do come from other planets it doesn't mean that they naturally evolve there on their own it's it's it's more like either Earth and them were seated separately but by by Common progenitor race or they came from us or vice versa there's some sort of relation there and uh and so if if they want to show up one day and if they want to say that hey you know we've been observing a planet for a century and we discovered Humanity for the first time I call BS on that because if they did they wouldn't be humanoid they wouldn't have two eyes and two noals in a mouth you know they wouldn't have four four limbs uh so whatever they say I would say trust it and always look between the lines at the potential ulterior motives you know qu Bono like who whom does it benefit that's what you have to look at with all of it makes sense I think I'm going to go my my new Theory now based on what you just said is I like the future extra dimensional mantids those are going to be my that's my new that I like that's where things are pointing unfortunately um so I think the last question I want to ask you is uh and I appreciate your time here today I think this has been an amazing conversation I'd love to talk to again in the future but why do you think the government's covering this up like what is if you had to give your top reason I know there's probably many reasons but you know I think about it and I think about the idea of all the different um you know ways that there could be non-human intelligence I wonder why would the government cover any of this up what do you think the government or do you think it's not related to that at all what do you why do you think the government's you know hiding this information from us well you know just as a preface to that it's interesting that the entities themselves are not interested in disclosing themselves as as much as as we want them to you know so it's it's each of them seems to have their own motive for why they want to keep the majority of humanity in the dark for now you know but at the same time there is a very steady drip feed of disclosure which I I guess it's accelerating lately because I mean I think the Kaa blue document it seems like a leak or it seems like a declassification but the timing of it is too weird I think uh I think it was intentional I think it was a long ranging intentional plan to to release information like that in a deniable way because you know according to the information read about it that the Kona Blue program it never got off the ground it was proposed after the end of the ATP program you know so was about to end they're going to lose their funding and now they're proposing to continue it under the Department of Homeland Security under kona blue in order to kind of expand their operations and you know set up uh experimental labs and Skinwalker Ranch for example and things that Lou Alando had talked about um so I think I think that document because it didn't actually lead to anything and it was unclassified now it's out there people are discussing it people are realizing that these topics are being taken seriously by actual government military personnel you know um but because it didn't go anywhere that's why it could be released see if it had succeeded then we wouldn't even be hearing about it now because it would still be it'll still be fully classified right but yeah so it was only a proposal and uh it didn't reveal too much and some parts of it are redacted so that's fine but what I'm trying to say is I think I think the reason why disclosure has been um managed or prevented or delayed is just because our well okay so there's benevolent and malevolent reasons the malevolent reasons includes just like what I mentioned earlier about the military industrial complex U getting rich off of secret technology that they've recovered like hiding free energy yeah hiding hiding it uh you know Advanced Materials that they've reverse engineered and they're using for their own purposes and a lot of times they launder it through uh existing corporations so you know we might hear about oh is this new computer chip technology that's coming out that's going to solve Moors law is going to allow us to get faster and faster chips and the company that created it is going to get billions and billions of dollars in Revenue because you know they're at the Leading Edge of it well little do we know that technology actually comes from one of these special access programs that you know handed it off laundered it through someone else and made it appear as if it was just like a like a genuine human invention when in reality it was siphoned off of these black projects and they make a lot of money that way I think I think uh a lot of Technology a lot of people getting rich off stuff is uh probably alien technology that has been reverse engineered and has been laundered through the pl deniable pathway of just you know corporate research or or you know the University of Tel Aviv comes up with some new um artificial telepathy means or something like that right it's it's all laundered through different different areas so I think that's part of it um just you know the vested interest in keeping asymmetric advantage to themselves that's one and then the benevolent reason in a way I think is because our society from top to bottom whether we're talking religion social structure social contract you know politics technology University everything so much of it is built on a lie it's built on lies upon lies upon false assumptions you know like you know like like the scaler physics stuff which got ignored if you have disclosure you're going to have scaler physics because that is a component of the technology Beyond you know which these black programs are working with so if you disclose aliens if you disclose some of these black projects that technology is going to get out and the ramifications of that under the current state of the world is very difficult to deal with um because free energy alone it can lead to let's say uh tanks with energy weapons that never run out of fuel and never run out of ammo can you imagine the intensity of war that could result as a result of free energy being used just for that or we talk about for example totalitarian police state stuff where you could have drones including humanoid drones that are that build themselves and multiply never run out of energy and can be always in the skies 247 circling ahead monitoring the population below that's possible with free energy batteries essentially these Energy power units so whether it's totalitarianism World War III the Anni the annihilation of humanity those things are possibility so long as we have a multi-polar world where you know countries are fighting countries over this or that you know ideological reasons or whatever if you if you take all that that that that Tinder and you pour the fuel of free energy onto it you could get a massive explosion uh so unfortunately as as much as I hate to say it if Humanity wants to have widespread free energy and certain other Technologies I'm not sure if it's possible without a some sort of a hopefully benevolent One World Government as much as I'm against globalism and things like that I don't I don't see another way unfortunately because it all it takes this one Rogue Nation with a free energy overunity bomb or you know device that that has more energy output that probably could destroy an entire planet and maybe that's happened in the past you know there are many myths about Sky beings come from another another world that blew itself up or you know that that destroyed itself so well you hit my last question there that was exactly what I was going to ask you was whether or not you think we could destroy our own planet with this I personally think we absolutely could I I look at this technology and you even brought up a few new things that I'm going to be thinking about in terms of Terminator situations and Matrix of self-replicating machines that are creating a fascist uh monitored world but so um Tom I I really love a conversation that we had here today man I thank you very much for it um couldn't be more grateful would love to talk with you again in the future uh in the last couple minutes do you want to plug I know you have a few books that are out there do you want to plug any content any books for the people who are watching right now yeah so if you go to my website mon talk.net ml NT k.net if you go there if you click on books for example you got links to free books I've got my Fringe knowledge book for beginners okay Fringe knowledge 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