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I have never seen a resume of somebody where I was like more certain that this guy knows all the secrets that are out there. He's going to confirm it in the interview here for us right now. Spoiler alert, but I'm more I'm more convinced that he's connected than I am of like Hal Pudof. The reason being Hal Pudof has all the right connections. He's more connected on the spooky side, but you need like resources to actually build this stuff. And not only does Loheed Martin have those resources, Charles Chase is the guy that is getting the CXOs to allocate the resources on this magical technology. That's exactly the kind of guy you need to build these orbs. The orbs in the MH370 videos are not just, oh, some guy built them in their garage. No, it has to come from a major defense contractor. >> So, let me begin by asking, what led you to transition from Skunk Works to founding the UNLAB? Yeah. So, you know, at the at the Skunk Works, I um I founded and I ran uh the revolutionary technology programs organization. So, our job was to develop the technologies at the tip of the tip of that spear. And so, you know, our team worked on any sort of u technology that we thought would have a significant difference for uh Loheed Martin systems and um you know, so that was really exciting. And so, but the the team uh we're kind of like a startup inside the skunk works itself, I would say. And uh but it it was going uh super strong, right? Our our fusion program was uh fully supported. Um you know, >> okay, I hate to interrupt already, but he says they were the tip of the spear within the skunk works, his whatever advanced program. They're basically like a startup within the skunk works. He also is being asked right off the bat, why would you switch? Why would you leave Lockheed Martin? I want you guys to think about this. Why do you guys think Charles Chase left Lockheed Martin? Why? He's going to answer the question in a moment, but that's a great question. Like, you know, you could have kept working for Loheed Martin. There's no way they were like kicking you out the door. Like, you're a legend. Guaranteed. You you built the you built their compact fusion reactor. And then right there at the end, he's bringing up right away. He's bringing up he's not even prompted. He's bringing up the compact fusion reactor right here. He's bringing it up. He's not afraid of it, but he's going to say something else about it. So, put put your answers in the chat for why you think Charles Chase left Lockheed. >> A bunch of different other technologies we were doing were, you know, coming to fruition. uh we had transitioned several things to uh recently to Loheed products and I had taken on a new role which was uh mining the entire Loheed Martin Corporation for technologies that would be moonshots things that make a significant difference and that can you know change change the world essentially that you know that's always been my job and my responsibility uh there >> okay wow what was his job and responsibility to mine all of Lheed Martin for moonshots. We can tell from the context what moonshots means. Moonshots means figure out how to build UFOs. Basically, look through all of Loheed Martin's crazy technologies that they've got buried, cold fusion, whatever, right? And then figure out how to turn that into something amazing like a compact fusion reactor. So, you find out, oh, we've got this flying saucer or whatever that we dug up or the government gave us. Let's figure out how to do some anti-gravity, a little bit of fusion from nuke programs. Let's mix this all together. And now we've got a compact fusion reactor. Now we've got some orbs that can fly around. I'm just speaking hypothetically here. The fact that his job was to be the guy to go do that. He's 100% he should be the one testifying. This is the person who should be testifying to Congress. If I don't see Charles Chase testifying to Congress the next UFO hearing, I'm going to just burn the thing to the ground like critically on social media critically because it's a sham. Unless you're talking to the guy who's like literally the resume says he's the guy that's figuring out the magic technologies, you're not really talking to the right people. I don't want to hear about how many alien species there are. I want to hear about how Loheed Martin's Charles Chase built some magical orb technology that can teleport planes. That's what I want to hear about >> at the skunk works. And you know, and I had that opportunity to mine the entire corporation for technologies. And um you know, I kind of had done what I could do. Um and it all was super positive, but I knew there was more uh that I could work on and more that I could make happen. And so, you know, I retired and and started the UNLAB uh along with my my partner Kate. and uh you know and so we've been uh fairly successful as far as you know my our goal is remains exactly the same is to develop breakthroughs that can help the world but um you know do it really without much of a profit motive or no profit motive. >> Wow. Whoever said money you were wrong. Actually he left Loheed Martin because he wanted to bring these technologies out without a profit motive. I wanted to hate Charles Chase so much. I figured he's a Lockheed Martin guy. He's gatekeeping technologies. But now I look at this, I go, he's just a normal guy and he did some amazing things, but unfortunately they're proprietary because Loheed Martin owns them because they owned him. And now he's like, hey, I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to do my best to get this information out there. And the reason why I do believe him is that he's doing the exact same thing that I'm doing. You get to a point where you realize you can't pro you can't convince people and you really shouldn't even try. It's not worth your energy to go around trying to convince people of magical technology that they their minds can't even comprehend. You know, it's not a waste good use of your energy. What is a good use of your energy is highlighting the people that are already doing it. And what was Charles Chase doing in his 2022 presentations? He was highlighting all the free energy devices that he knew worked. And he knows they worked, chat. He knows. Like I said before, one of the things I said about this guy is that he's not having Sunny White and Paul Tibido and Garrett Mell come on because he like thinks their technology might work. He's doing it because he knows it works and he's trying to boost them along. Okay, we'll let him keep going. >> Uh, you know, now we don't have so much of that dual use. Although if you notice a lot of my funding comes from Office of Naval Research, DARPA. So, you know, with any technology, there's going to be uh multiple uses. >> I'm sorry. Did Did he just say that most of his money comes from Office of Naval Research and DARPA? Guys, who do you think like this man's like the Bruce Wayne of Black Project Technology? There's not going to be anybody else on his level. I guarantee you they all know who Charles Chase is. They all do. Make this man famous. Make this man, look at these glasses. He was built for fame. He looks like Elton John. >> There's, you know, positive good uses, but you can also use any technology pretty much for uh, you know, war and defense. So, um, you know, that that that's always there. >> He was just talking about the fusion reactor flying forever, and he's going, "Well, we could give everybody unlimited energy forever, but you can use it for war, so sorry." >> Yeah. So I I would say uh it's more the technology that drives the projects uh versus the other way around. So it's really what you know what is possible you know and sometimes what's the adjacent possible. So what are the different pieces that can come together to make something new? And you know again with that focus on um you know what's good for mankind, what's good for the planet, what's good for the biome, you So with that that focus on there and um yeah so so you know like you mentioned a great example of our one of our focus areas is generating propellantless propulsion which has been a holy grail for you know a long time and very controversial and and um you know and um you know maybe and scientifically controversial I would say um >> chat these people need me chat I didn't realize how bad these engineers some they they need the anger translator they have one. What is Charles Chase talking about here? Propellantless propulsion. He's talking about EM drive. Go Google Ashton on on Twitter for bold predictions and you're going to see one of those bold predictions says EM drive is real. How do I know it's real? Cuz space isn't empty, folks. EM drive is real. Warp drives are real. Wormholes are real. It's all real physics. And here's Charles Chase is going, "One of the things that we're looking into is EM drive. I know it's pretty controversial, but we're still looking into it." Bro, what do you mean you know it's real? You know it's real. You've worked at Loheed Martin and you know Loheed Martin already had that figured out like 30 years ago. How are they so afraid to just say the truth? They're terrified to just like be bold about their claims. This is where they need someone like me to be like, "Dude, EM drives real. We've had it figured out. You're an idiot that doesn't understand physics if you don't realize how it's possible." Oh, my second law, my first and second laws of thermodynamics. Yeah. Well, you don't realize we're in an equilibrium and we can break make an asymmetry in that equilibrium and we can use that, right? Just like how we can harvest energy from a waterfall. Does anybody say like, "Oh, you can't harvest energy from a waterfall. That would break the laws of thermodynamics." No, they don't say that. We we make dams and hydroelectric power. Create an asymmetry. Okay, here we go. Because the fundamental conservation laws would say that propelling this propulsion, you know, really isn't possible. But um you know so that that's an example of a technology that would have a huge impact and um you know it's something I've been working on for probably 20 years starting back in my time at at Lockheed and on to now. And so I think we've really um >> he just says it I've been working on it for 20 years. Well okay what was 20 years ago? The early 2000s. Yes. Back at his time at Lockheed. Loheed Martin has this stuff. I mean, I think like is Congressman Berles out there or Luna or whoever literally just give me access to Loheed Martin's databases. I don't even need 24 hours or Sierra Nevada Corporation. I can literally take down a multinational billion dollar corporation with the information that we have. We can literally take these companies down >> uh both in nanoructures. So we create asymmetric nanoructures like optical cavities that are different sizes um different materials and uh the theory that we've developed which is based on just standard quantum theory and standard electromagnetics. So no no new physics it's uh you know actually the same formulism that people uh use to um develop the kasmir force and you know and predict what the kasmir force is. So um the lift shits approach we're using that approach to um predict forces and and yeah we get forces from uh nanoructures that are asymmetric. Um and then >> I like how he has to be like oh and it's not any new physics guys. We're not we're not redoing the laws of physics. We're just using the same formulations, the same equations, right? Because all they did was they just unified electromagnetism and gravity. That's it. That's all they did. So you just take the equations, you find a way to fit them together. Boom. Turns out the uh plank's constant all connected to this. You know, those are small forces akin to the size of a kasmir force. Um but then by using a resonant tunneling diode uh which is another asymmetric structure, we can generate um what we're predicting are fairly large forces uh because there's a greater asymmetry there. So okay, tunneling di resonant tunneling diodes. I'm pretty sure those dodes were the same thing Paul Tibido was talking about, isn't it? Somebody had to correct me. I'm too many different science things in my head right now. Resonant tunneling diodes. He's saying, "Okay, Casemir effect, the force is too small." Everybody always comes at me, the Casemir effect, the force is too small. You can't pull enough energy out of the Casemir effect. When I was saying, well, and what do I always say in response? I say it's an engineering problem. Once you've proven the concept, once you've proven that space is not empty, it's just an engineering problem. And here's the engineering solution. Your boy the goat coming with the engineering solution out of nowhere. You should be listening to every word coming out of this man's mouth. Resonant tunneling diodes will amplify the effect. Much more powerful effect. If Charles Chase says it, I already know it's true. this idea of asymmetry whether it's from a potential difference in the resonant tunneling diode or just uh asymmetry in geometry and material um you know a lot of people have been pursuing that sort of asymmetry for generating forces like you mentioned way back to uh Biffield Brown and you know Brown's work with the the asymmetric capacitors that people really like talking about and you know it's it's hard to know what what you know he really measured and did but >> you know so Charles Buer's work is another example example of an asymmetric kind of capacitor configuration. >> Charles Buer, shout out chat. Charles Buer, shout out. Charles Buer was on Glenn Beck right after I was on Glen Beck and everyone was hammering it because I was saying EM Drive is real, chat. EM Drive is real. Charles Beller probably knows. I feel like the NASA guys are like 5050. Some of them are just too NPCish, >> you know? There's other companies out there like I think Hover Incorporated. There's uh EVO. I believe there there's different companies out there that are have these asymmetric structures that are claiming that they're um you know that are measuring forces. >> Oh, Evo, >> you know those measurements. >> I know what EVO is, chat. EVO is one of the other EM drives. EVO. IVO is what it is. EVO. It's not EVO. It's IVO. EVO is the one that I was talking about recently, chat. Remember like 6 months ago I said one of the EM drives was supposed to be tested at the end of 2024 and it had a malfunction or maybe it was end of 2023. It had a malfunction but they didn't announce it till like four or five months later. They said, "Oh, the test just didn't work. Sorry, we weren't able to test it. They were supposed to test the EM drive in outer space and it it just had a malfunction and just didn't work. Didn't get to test it out." That was the IVO people, the EVO people. That's who Charles Chase or how uh what Charles Chase is talking about right here. So Charles Chase knows all the EM drive companies as well. He knows Charles Beller, he knows IVO, and then the other one was Hover Incorporated. I hadn't even heard of them yet, but we'll be looking up them later, too. This is just like we literally found like the like smog's cash of gold and gems and we're just going around just like looking just picking up emeralds and rubies and like oh what else what else are you going to teach us today Mr. Chase, please do you have some more gold and diamonds for us? >> Though because of all the the you know the charge associated with that, right? And so you have to be really careful about those measurements and uh because the the charges can um you know attract to something and and you get sparious forces especially if you're trying to measure something small. So making something that rotates you know um you know really is the acid test I guess. But anyway, so yeah, I do think uh you know there could be a direct relation between this these kind of macroscopic uh you know large size asymmetric capacitor type things and the asymmetric potentials in our resonant only dodes that we're saying and we predict will generate very large forces. And since they're you know on the the nano micro scale you can make an array of these things that's you know very lightweight and yet still generates a a very large force. But you know that that all depends on us being able to um interact with the vacuum right uh you know if we can't interact with the vacuum you know all the sort of center of mass conservation arguments hold that well you know momentum in a closed system has to be contained essentially so um I think I'm digressing from your question but >> so he just decides to go on a little side quest and basically say the only way any of this is possible The only way any of this stuff is possible, the vacuum can't be empty. That's what he says right there. Vacuum can't be empty. Well, you know what? Good news, everybody. That's the only thing that we need for all this to be real is the vacuum is not empty. Well, what what do we call that? What do we call that? Oh, we call it the ether. We call it the ether. We call it the zero point energy. You know time is an interesting component like does it reach you know I'm just bringing up things that enter my mind right time is a component there and does it reach some sort of those type of devices reach some sort of equilibrium after some amount of time you know we worry about that with our own or think about that with our own device as well you know what what happens over time with that um but but these are the sort of things that are at the edge of our understanding of of science right you know with with vacuum fluctuations there's the um big difference between the what the cosmological constant and QED predicts for the um you know the the the energy density of the vacuum is 120 orders of magnitude different. Right? So this is an area of science where science doesn't know really what's going on. And there's another situation right there. Right? We're we're looking at a man that's built magical technology, literally built a compact fusion reactor, and he's playing koi about how much vacuum energy there is. He's going there's 120 orders of magnitude between the cosmic microwave background which is what we think of as the background energy and the background energy is calculated based on quantum mechanics. This is very important. So I'm going to go I'm going to say it one more time. This 0 point energy all around us everywhere this ocean of energy we're in if we measure it just based on the heat the cosmic microwave background it's this tiny tiny little amounts. If you talk to a lot of academics, they're going to say, "No, there's only a tiny amount of vacuum energy." Because they don't know what they're talking about. But if you do quantum mechanics, if you actually go and calculate at the quantum scale how much energy there is and then extrapolate it, it's practically infinite.