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The topic that I think people really just love to hear about is the UFO topic. And last time we spoke about it in detail. I just want to let you know that since we last spoke, you know, I have always I've been wondering what is the answer to the UFO topic? Are they aliens from another dimension? Are they from another planet? Is it future humans? And I have to say I've moved more and more towards your perspective that you presented on the last conversation about ancient civilizations even potentially being connected to Atlantis. the more I've dug into the physics, like the idea of like a future human civilization or the idea of resets happening has become almost undeniable to me. So, I wanted to get your thoughts on a couple of the topics that are going out in the UFO community right now. Um, but first, I just wanted to give you praise. The topic that I don't think got enough uh play from our last conversation was that you mentioned that under the previous Biden administration, the person who was coordinating the supposed UFO cover up was Avil Hines. And this was crazy to me when you said this because I had connected her to the cover up of MH370 where she was like the deputy director of the CIA at the time and she was the one justifying all the drone strikes for Obama which became a major scandal because we were taking out innocent people. I I can't believe that didn't get more coverage, especially because I confirmed with one of my sources right after that that yes, apparently she was a person. And it turns out it makes sense because the DNI is the one that's basically coordinating the entire intelligence community. So if there is a cover up of this level, they would have to know about it. And then the other thing that I've come to realize, which I think people just in general need to know, is that I was watching this uh interview with John Ramirez yesterday and in it it's like he goes over our surveillance capabilities and they are extensive, super extensive. the NGA specifically manages all the uh electroloptical and optical surveillance which I didn't really realize and he has he goes through the whole process if they see a UFO or something they don't recognize they they ask to see if it's our adversary and then this goes up the line and eventually a report is written so to me it's insane to think that the government there can't be stuff flying around the government doesn't know what it is and have a really good idea of its origins so what are your do you have any follow-ups or thoughts on the Averalheind stuff or any of you know, uh I believe it was after 911 that the intelligence structure of the United States was significantly reorganized. Um I think maybe in the most substantive way since the National Security Act of 1947 established that structure to begin with. And one of the things that they did was they replaced the sort of central or um sort of nexus authority of the director of central intelligence which was a CIA position with the director of national intelligence and subordinated the CIA and all the other agencies under this director of national intelligence. And I always wondered from the time when that happened because I've long been interested in the intelligence apparatus of the United States. I mean for decades. I wondered whether this was another u machination by which to create a more even more unaccountable power structure. Right? Because it was long known that the even the director of central intelligence wasn't the guy who was most read in at the CIA. It was often the more career CIA people who would be deputy directors. So I was thinking maybe by creating director of national intelligence they want an even more clueless manipulable executive uh authority covering up you know de facto what's actually going on in the intelligence apparatus. So I was as surprised as you were to find out from inside sources that the woman in that position Averil Haynes was in fact um well aware of the full range of uh close encounter data. You know I mean not just UFOs but also the beings associated with them, archaeological sites and discoveries associated with them and so forth not just on Earth but across the solar system. and that she was in a position to, you know, design a or at least participate in the design of a selective long-term disclosure plan. That really surprised me that, you know, the intelligence community being reorganized in that way uh giving actual authority and access to the person who was in the position of director of national intelligence. And then that makes you wonder is that because it's a legit position that comes with that degree of clearance or is it because of Abel Haynes's own CV, her own history of clearances and positions she served in? In other words, did Tulsi Gabbard get rid read into the same information when she assumed that position? Or, you know, is it that they only disclosed this stuff to April Haynes because of who she was? The same way that, let's say, when George HW Bush became president, he was read into things or rather had already been read into them because he had previously been the director of the CIA, right? So, that that's one thing I wonder about. uh concommatant with that, the Department of Homeland Security, I thought was a relatively superficial kind of like security and policing agency, but lo and behold, they're running this Kona Blue program that involves UFOs that's being run under the Department of Homeland Security. So it appears that after 9/11 some significant uh you know there was some significant structural re-engineering of the American intelligence apparatus. Thank you for explaining the UFO uh the the situation with the the uh director of national intelligence. I didn't realize that power had been re uh kind of uh organized underneath the ND the n director of national intelligence from the CIA previously. Can you just repeat what year was that that that happened? I don't want to make up a number. I can't remember exactly, but I know that it was part of the legislation that took place after 911 at the same >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Great. Well, so a couple other quick conversations on the the UFO topic, which is >> I want to get your >> Let me just add one thing. Let me let me just add one thing to that which is that I mean it should be obvious to anybody with half a brain who's watching and especially your audience who are you know much more clued in people that at the very least 9/11 represented the most fundamental compromising of the intelligence apparatus of the United States in its entire history. And so obviously there would be reason for restructuring the intelligence apparatus after that event. >> So h and that makes a lot of sense. So then previously before that the CIA would have been potentially the one who was organizing the UFO cover up. But after that now it becomes the director of national intelligence that's the one that's doing it. And that actually makes so much sense because Averil Hines was deputy director of the CIA under what was it James Clapper I think or John Brennan right? Um and that and they're under fire right now from the current administration. So I think that that whole story makes sense. Now where do you see the whole UFO disclosure going? You know last time we spoke was over a year ago and now you've got this Age of Disclosure movie that's being promoted out there. I think that the age of disclosure film is going to be used to set up a situation which some have referred to as confirmation rather than disclosure. >> In other words, there are so many highlevel government officials that are being interviewed and cited in this documentary that for all intents and purposes, it supplants a hearing. It takes the place of like a hearing where you would have, you know, these same level of government officials testify. And all that needs to happen after that for there to be acknowledgment of US government knowledge, long-standing knowledge regarding Close Encounters, is for the president to come out and say something to the effect of, "Yeah, I'm not going to do my Trump impersonation, but anyway, yeah, I saw the film. I saw the film." And it's true. It's true. We know. And it's true. And I'm sorry for reasons of national security. I can't tell you more than that. Now, what does that do? It gets them off the hook legally because this way with a confirmation uh you know and vague gesturing toward this film and its contents, there aren't any specific admissions that are going to warrant legal action, let's say, of one defense contractor against another, of the American people against the government, and so on and so forth, right? So, it's a very uh frankly gutless um and safe way for them to acknowledge the whole thing and then to refuse to say very much else about it. >> You know, I didn't even think about that. That's such a good take though, where it's like they could just use it and then just say, "Yeah, these vague things that are being said in here are true." And then, like you said, now just apologize, be like, "You know what? It was the people before me that that did all that evil, corrupt stuff." I mean, Trump could actually say that. He could even use the MH370 videos to say that Obama was doing this stuff, you know, beforehand. Um, and I had even thought about that angle, but so if that comes true, >> perfect. Trump, >> yeah, Trump is the perfect president to say that because he's positioned whether it's actually true or not, he's positioned himself as so anti-establishment and he's already so vilified and demonized everybody who came before him that like you just said with a wave of the hand, all he has to say, a lot of bad stuff happened. A lot of bad stuff wasn't wasn't into me. You know, I'm just, you know, I saw the movie. It was a good movie. A lot of it's true. End of story. Nobody asks any more questions. >> I could totally see this happening, actually. So, I think that's pretty s pretty pretty interesting. And Trump has they've thrown a lot of hints out there. I I think both of these situations came after we last spoke. But Trump has said that we have weapons that nobody understands and that nobody is close to our level of military superiority. He said this like two different times in very similar contexts. one was in Saudi Arabia or the UAE and then one was at his desk and then his White House uh technology and science adviser Michael Katzio said that we have tech we have the technology to manipulate time and space to leave distance annihilated. So he's been leaking these ideas plus NASA also said that there's life on Mars and everybody just kind of ignored it. It should have been like some of the biggest news ever. And they weren't talking about like little green men, but they're talking about microbial life, bacteria, you know, things like that. But still, it's significant for our understanding of life in the universe. So, I still think like you, there's probably a nonzero chance. I'm going to still say though, I think it's unlikely that Trump will do any of that because I think that these people who are like this, I don't really know what to call them. this group that keeps doing the same movies over and over and over again, right? The Hal Pudof and Chris Melon and crew. I don't think they're in the same team as Trump. I could be wrong, but I get the impression that they're kind of on the other side. I get the >> I can I can confirm that for you 100%. Uh these people don't like Trump. They um are very Look, here's the deal. Very long story short. >> Sure. going back to the formation of to the stars academy with with Tom Dong. And by the way, I have it's it's interesting people have been comparing lately the contents of my book Closer Encounters and my various podcast to Dong and what he wrote in his books. I haven't read a single word Tom Dong's ever written. So the fact that there is overlap is interesting. But be that as it may, what I do know is that going back to uh when Tom Delong's books were written and To the Stars Academy was formed and these characters who then became central to disclosure began to form some kind of working group, right? Um Hal Putoff and um uh Melon uh Chris Melon and these folks. It is pretty clear to me that it was in coordination with John Podesta and with the expectation that Hillary Clinton would be elected president of the United States in 2016 and they had a whole agenda to move forward with Hillary as the disclosure president and that got uh basically a monkey wrench got thrown in it. So they are now in a situation where they don't know what to do with themselves because they've developed this whole elaborate plan and they don't know how much of it to move forward with and how much of it to hold back and you know basically how they're going to negotiate this controlled disclosure with an administration that they had not been coordinating with in advance. >> Wow man. And that makes a lot of sense to me too. I think that people who are about our age probably will understand that because we're old enough to have been adults and lived through the Clinton uh you know the Clinton years and then Hillary also her rise to prominence as well and both of them they talked about the UFO topic when not a lot of people would talk about it and I did get the impression that all of those people are kind of aligned with you know that side of the the the political spectrum and it wouldn't surprise me if they did have like a plan for how they all wanted this to go down. Then when Trump won, which nobody expected, not even me back then, is that now all of a sudden that gets flipped on its head. Now they've got to come up with a new strategy. Now they can't control Trump, you know. And that's why too when Trump says we have weapons nobody understands, like that that's not something you ever hear Obama say, you know, and when people say, "Oh, Trump if the if Trump knew about the secret technology here or weapons or UFOs, he would talk about it." Well, there there he is. You're hearing it right there. And my guess is he's pushing the boundary of what he can talk about. Go ahead. >> Yes. Now, this is something I hope that we can unpack a bit over the course of our conversation. What exactly it means when Trump says we have we have weapons that nobody else has, etc. Okay. Who's the Wii there? All right. >> Um, one thing that Trump did that was extremely noteworthy was moving Space Force to Huntsville, Alabama. >> Yes. Because to my knowledge, Huntsville was already the location of American secret space program technology. And the idea that Trump would move Space Force there signifies an attempt on his part to consolidate the space assets of the United States, the black assets and the more public assets under one centralized and more transparent control that would answer to him as commander-in-chief of the United States. I think that's what he's trying to do. >> Whether he'll actually be successful doing it is an entirely another matter. >> And so he moved it from Colorado too, right? And I think there was some political ramifications when Biden I think had tried to move or assign it to Colorado. I don't remember the exact details, but I call Huntsville, Alabama space juice city because I refer to the zero point energy as space juice. That's how we dumb it down for people that don't really want to understand it. All right. And Huntsville, Alabama is where it's Redstone Arsenal's there. NASA Marshall Spaceflight Center is there. I mean, that's where it's Rocket City, USA. It's where we've developed like all of our propulsion technologies over the many years. So, I am hoping we get into that when we start talking a little bit about the history and the development of some of these uh propulsion technologies here in just a little bit. Uh but right before we get to that, I did want to ask you two last little questions on disclosure. First of all, what's your opinion on the ThreeI Atlas? I I'll go ahead and preface that my opinion on threei Atlas is just a normal comet. I but you know I'm open to interpretations. I do want to say that I saw uh I think it was a slide from Steven Greer where he did the math on the speed of the comet and it would take like >> 60,000 years to get here from the nearest star system which is Alpha Centauri. So, my opinion just straight up is that aliens aren't going to be flying around on super slow rocks. Even though we think of that rock as moving fast, relatively speaking, it's not moving fast enough to get here from another solar system. Um, but I want to know what your thoughts are on it. I believe that whatever the object is, it's being used for a massive SCOP. And that's why I haven't said a word about it >> because the one thing I'm convinced of about ThreeI Atlas is that it's a SCOP. And I am, you know, I don't know if I'm sorry to say this or not, but you know, and and you know, as you are, I'm a supporter of the state of Israel. I'm a very, you know, very pro-Israel, but Avi Lo is a Mossad operative. He was sent here by the state of Israel in the 1980s to acquire uh technical data regarding the strategic defense initiative. He worked with, you know, the the Reagan team on Star Wars in the 1980s. And I it's pretty clear he was sent by the Israelis to do that. So he he's a Mossad asset or operative and you know sorry but I really don't trust the narrative that's coming from out of him. Um and I and I don't expect any apocalyptic event to ensue from three Atlas. I think it's much more like a psychological gauge and basically a kind of you know so social engineering uh experiment to see like what kind of reaction there might be to the possibility that this could be some kind of an interstellar you know intelligently guided probe. >> This is why I always love talking to you because you always have the intelligent takes. They always have the high IQ takes and that's what my followers are. And right there, you you nailed it, which is like if anything, what I would consider is they're gauging the public's reaction to this information that they're pushing out there. Are people freaking out? Are they going out and they're starting cults related to it? Or are they just kind of accepting of it? And I have to be honest, >> go ahead. That's it's all look at all the religious nug chases the new age just you know I mean these people's brains are made of jello who are now worshiping three eye atlas as if it's you know the chariot for the second coming of Christ or the dawning of the age of Aquarius and of course you know that's the intention of the social experiment to see how many morons like that there are in the population because you know god's forbid should something actually show up. Imagine what the reaction would be. >> Exactly. That's that's the big thing, right? Is that are people going to lose their minds if like aliens appear out of nowhere and all of a sudden are just everywhere in the sky floating around? Like that's that's the thing that think people want they want to figure out if that is the narrative. And like you I think there's not going to be any apocalyptic event or anything like that. These conversations and research the research you've done, research I've done, it helps to demystify the topic where it makes it much more difficult. I I think it makes people more resilient mentally to, you know, if aliens were to appear out of the middle of nowhere, we're not going to freak out and lose control or perception of reality. We're going to be able to compartmentalize it. We're going to be able to understand it. We're going to be able to understand uh the context for it, where they might have come from, how they might have be able to do these types of things. So, that's why I like having our conversations with it, too. I think it grounds it in reality a little bit for