Free Energy Friday - Physicists Jeremy Rys & David Chester

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# Free Energy Friday - Physicists Jeremy Rys & David Chester um but you were talking about some real physics um some real patents and some real real stuff and and I and uh I'm happy that you're joining us today to dive into this I know that you've gone some done some uh great deep dives into the science on on your channel and um I've been fortunate to enough to uh have participated in a few of those in the live chats and I've been able to share you know my research and knowledge and expertise on on these kinds of things as well um you know often giving you giving you some good links and stuff to look up right you know yeah no definitely yeah I think the cace owny man what a just mind-blowing thing to be able to to do you know like I I watched a lot of her stuff and when I remember when she direct messaged me and asked me to go on the show I was like holy crap like this is you know for me that was almost as big as Joe Rogan probably just especially because I talked to her like we sat down and we spoke um for like 30 minutes before we did the interview and you know just to feel it out stuff like that she had never interviewed anybody that was like a physicist or an engineer or anybody that talks about like science like that she never knew science is way out her wheelhouse yeah she's she's more hardcore like Christian conservative she was like totally open to the idea that like we're hiding this technology you know she told me right away because I wasn't sure I was went on it like I didn't care if it was going to be adversarial or what the situation was going to be but also to reach out on the religious aspect I don't know what your religious affiliations or beliefs are but you know one thing I found throughout the last year is that it you know they in the UFO committee they always try to say it's like oh it's the the religious people that are holding back disclosure because they think it's alien or demons and stuff like that but like I found that the religious people are much more open to this I find it's the opposite it's the people that are more stuck in the ways of like God isn't real and all only stuff that's possible is what we already know you know there aist or Skeptics Community you know because even even um you know Mark who works with Falcon space Labs he he's like uh Jew he's like was raised Jewish and went to like Hebrew school and all that and he's convinced that the whole you know Torah and the whole Jewish Bible is based on alien worship he thinks that like all the worship of the angels and the gods are are actually aliens and and uh so um there's a lot of uh mix in in that whole uh the whole religion and science thing and um but you know my focus has been like the scientists and and you know my my dad's an engineer uh he he's worked on WI a lot of uh energy projects he's been an oil refinery uh guy worked in the oil industry for like 20 years on on uh BigTime oil refineries and stuff uh chemical engineering so I was raised on science in my household you know it was always a big part of it and I I didn't want to be a chemist or a chemical engineer like my dad I wanted to do physics because it was different different and and actually Richard fan um got me interested in in studying physics when in high school when I read um his autobiography and learned about how he worked on all these classified programs for the Manhattan Project and I just became super fascinated by all those classified programs and the history of all that do you know that there's uh quasi governmental organizations which uh have higher security clearance than the president yet have no official government foer oversight or or or any kind of accountability yeah I think that's one of the biggest things that people need to start understanding you know it's not as simple as it's just the government like these people have no accountability they're not beholden to the law whatsoever they're just above the law and um they are even higher than the president uh with respect to this to me I think it it seems like it goes back you almost have to be a student of History to really understand the suppression of the technology because a lot of people know the invention secrecy act that's gotten a lot of popularity last year terms of how they've been able to suppress anything that's patented that they don't want out but also the atomic secrecy act around um 1948 1954 when it I think I was it Eric Weinstein or somebody else was mentioning this there's been Clips out there that basically like if it's related to physics related to nuclear energy Etc energy in general like it is born secret they don't even have to classify it you know so this is where I've always stated I think the first time I heard the idea get thrown out there was with Tucker Carlson on Joe Rogan where he mentions this idea of like UFOs being connected to the Manhattan Project and I sat there I thought about I remember watching Oppenheimer and some of the other stuff and read going through the history I'm like man what if they just discovered that like we can actually just you know E equals MC squ that's huge but what if we also discovered like we don't even need mass that we can just pull the energy all around us and now you have weapon of infinite destruction you know like that makes sense why you would hide it if that was true yeah that's true but then again like how do you hide something like that because if if someone can out someone can figure it out one place then they should be able to figure it out in other places unless it's some kind of unable uh like Element 115 where you know it's so super super hard to get um the stuff to actually do it and you can control all of that um the supply of that material well I think the answer is mind control one thing Dave Rossy said is like if you order certain things online certain materials that they'll know like oh hey we know what you're building and and and you'll get a knock on your door oh I think it's definitely true I don't know how I mean I don't know about that exact scenario but yeah if you are pushing like the wrong buttons they they can tell if you're like over the Target or not and if they see you're over the target I'm sure they're listening to everything that you're doing and building you know like for example I think a good example like you were watching the negative resistance sister stream we were doing the other night man I guarantee you start building some of that you might you might get a knock on the door that's the kind of thing where like they're going to be watching and they're going to see like how far you know are you doing it are you having success with that because that's the kind of thing that'll make you people start thinking like um is our conventional view of physics really correct yeah where's her name I got I got her up here uh Dr Dr Chen um did you get in touch with her by the way I emailed her I reached out on on LinkedIn and and through email so hope she gets back with us I would love to talk to her more about that she's out at the University of Buffalo you know right out in New York state so she's uh she's a six-h hour drive from us uh you know I went to the Senate um intelligence uh committee that the UAP hearing for the Senate I did not was not able to get into the Congressional hearing but I went and spoke with Senator Gill brand and uh Kirk Patrick kind of walked out of there very fast but as I was telling her about these Legacy UFO programs that have been existed since the Manhattan Project and have a higher clearance in the government I I was talking about Batel Memorial Institute uh she got very interested in that and said that she was like oh I I wonder if they'll give me a tour and uh this other gentleman interrupted her and started wanted my information and then wanted to he said he would give her a tour personally this guy right here um this is a very interesting clip uh I I don't know if I want to play it right here right now because it's not directly related to the science but I just definitely want want to throw that in for people out there who aren't familiar with the the work that I've tried to do on disclosure and and bringing this out to the public uh I really feel that if we had gotten this information in front of Congress and gotten some you know whistleblowers to testify about these Legacy UFO programs that really go back uh because I really feel like they tried to whitewash and and reinvent the wheel on on the whole UFO file and and really mislead the public um through a lot of the media on what actually is going on with this because you're right the technology has existed since the end of the Manhattan Project it came out of these companies which literally they run all of our National Labs right theel Memorial Institute you can look look them up on uh on W you know here's just the uh Wikipedia article but you go down here to all the contracts they have they literally run Brook Haven Idaho Lawrence Livermore Los Alamos o Ridge you know Savannah River Pacific Northwest they're they're running in manage they have management contracts for all of our National Laboratories and they have control since the since the Manhattan Project yeah that was one thing I posted a clip of this guy I forget what his name was but it was a Tik Tok clip and whatever that whoever that guy was he he knew some stuff because one of the things he mentions too is this idea that we figured something else out during the Manhattan Project and and we dropped the bomb so that it became impossible to hide the atomic bomb at that point but that also there was a lot of stuff leaking out from that project and so supposedly they learned how to compartmentalize it even better and this kind of goes also to like how Poff was saying to like Jesse Michaels and Eric was like you know they figured out that you you Shield it in these third party contractors and now it's it's invisible from Foya yes yes right this is where the drain plug is on the swamp ladies and gentlemen um it's all locked up in these stove piped quasi government these people literally made the demon cores for the Manhattan Project that's like the they handled the the all the uranium end product for like the core of of how that nuclear warhead Works they were in charge and responsible for that the most classified part of the atomic bomb and these people don't realize how dangerous these companies are as well like in terms of they use umbrella corporations just like when you're like laundering money and stuff like that to hide the paper trail so that the money goes from the Pentagon to these companies they go through other shell companies and then so if you were to look at it on the books it's just looking like it's going to these like subcontractors and stuff like that they have their own militaries like they they hire people right out of the military as like mercenaries they have their own like Security Forces they have their own hacking forces and a lot of these special access programs like what was this constellation one you were just talking about they like got you know the name dropped or whatever right after my interview like in those cases too they have um counter Intel people like I'm pretty sure Lando is one of those people where it's like all they do they're getting paid six figures just to sit around and monitor social media see if like the information is leaking out from the special access programs right and his big leak that I played at the beginning was that this is an ablade of material and it's layered and we're going to get into some real physics on this show that go Way Beyond anything that Lou has talked about this is like it's funny because they are The Counter Intelligence I'm glad I'm glad people are waking up and realizing it uh dark journalists and other others have have been saying this since the start of like when ttsa came out and how that all all all went down that's a whole another issue it doesn't deal with the physics but the the physics is the most important part because they they promised us a Science Foundation they promised us um to build us a craft and a lot of I know a lot of people that invested in ttsa personally I know I know a guy who they took for almost a mill 1 million he invested his entire life savings thinking that this was this was going to be it and uh you know they've produced nothing you know it's been like almost seven years um since then so they've really taken control of the UFO narrative in the mainstream and then when someone like you gets out on a mainstream platform immediately these guys jump into action to put out another story that say oh documents are coming we got this big story it's like it it looks contrived and the fact that Lou Alando is now coming out and talking about these ablade of materials and these layered he's trying to get scientific because people want this information they know it's out there and they H they have to like give up they have to give it more and more of their hand to the public but they're also doing the same operation because it's showing the public that they're not paying attention to us we don't matter so so that this doesn't exist in the in in the public Consciousness and mindset and this is what we're talking about instead so this must matter more right soar control right it's perfect narrative control it's it's a limited hangout operation and uh you know people people in this are were like saying oh I I look at who's here already and I could tell that this is going to be a limited hangout operation and mayy you've come to the you've come to the the wrong place if you if uh we're going to tell you right now all right if this was a limited hangout I wouldn't tell you about this and and alzando will never ever tell you about this and real quick I just I want to jump in because I wanted to say too that it I want to know your opinion too but it feels like for me that I you know I come into the scene I'm talking about warp drives and wormholes and then I'm talking about free energy this stuff is like outside the Paradigm I hadn't hear like anybody in the UFO Community aside from like niches like you guys talk even approach these Concepts and then next thing I know is's talking about to Glenn Beck and now just yesterday talking to Jessie Michaels and his name dropp he's dropping free energy and it's like it's like they are trying to get ahead of the narrative because otherwise they're losing control of it and now these people that they don't have control of are are talking about it right bingo bingo that's what they want um and that's what they're doing I'm glad that people are realizing it um I want to point out one thing and then I I think David Chester is going to join us very shortly uh have a strange feeling but um Dayton Ohio 2,500 pages of classified documents this guy had Tak home all right he's a 36-year-old physicist who worked at Wright Patterson uh State W State University for the um Air Force research Labs he was doing classified research at the terahertz and Ultra fast photonics lab and he wrote his PhD thesis and and several of his uh papers that are published on or right States University I did a deep dive into this a couple years ago this guy was researching polariton condensat and uh these trapped light trapped light in inside of materials and it turns out that well these polariton condensates these will create something called negative Mass exiton polaritons induced by dissipate of light matter coupling in an atomically thin semiconductor okay does that sound does that sound interesting for warp drive very that sounds very relevant and especially when you start talking about semiconductors because what people don't realize too is that they all think it's going to be this big this big thing they think like a SpaceX rocket the secret a lot of this technology is getting as small as possible getting as close to the quantum scales as you can and that's where the semiconductors and the microchips come into play and not to go all MH370 but I was looking back into the frees scale semiconductor employees the other night thinking maybe there's something else I can find and it turns out that deal they had in 2013 with the US Aerospace and defense was connected to uh high frequency and ultra high frequency radio uh power power needs which is you know just basically super high frequency uh electromagnetic waves um which I just thought and it was on semiconductors so it's like you look at that and you're like huh the more we start to talk about the physics here I think people start to realize like that's really what this is all about they have billions of dollars missing from the Pentagon budget we have no idea where that money went the research is out there and now we're talking to um some really brilliant people in the physics Community I'm going to bring David Chester in right now David Chester is a PhD from uh is it Cal UCLA or California yeah that's correct and uh your bachelor's is from MIT correct awesome yes so I know your number was from Boston Mass when you called me I was like oh 617 I'm like this guy's from Boston I was like yeah you got your phone when you were a student up here right yeah yeah gotta hang on to it yeah that's awesome um yeah so thank you for joining us here tonight and um this these conversations we we're we're part of a David is part of a a team that we've assembled on alt propulsion domcom we have a a whole bunch of um scientists who are working together on trying to crack this puzzle and see if there's there's anything to this because if there's warp drive and free energy technology this is billions of dollars and this is this is going to save the planet so it's worth a shot right even if it's total bust uh it's worth a shot for for us to take this seriously and I believe that you know my work in the fringe science community of trying to you know shed light on ideas that have been delegated to the you know the the far edges of the internet and Shadow band and and blacklisted and and blasphemed in universities across the the United States but yet these theories and these you know Engineers persist on there's always a new someone doing free energy there's always someone you know claiming anti-gravity and free energy stuff out there on the internet all the time and so we we decided to create a a panel of experts for dis that would help with disclosure um on a on a scientific level to to really dig in into the science the scientists try to interview them um and we've created a quite the community here on APEC I think um what we've I don't know I I I I don't know Ashton do you think that what we're doing is the right direction here trying to get the scientists together and and and um you know merge these communities and these ideas and then also prove it out you know so that we can is this you know does this seem like a good path to uh cut through all the dis disclosure and disinfo nonsense that's out there yeah I think my opinion is absolutely I mean I remember finding your guys Channel a year ago honestly and I was like oh wow there's actually people out here who are trying to do this in general I think that in my opinion the problem in with how this is so difficult is just Academia in general and this isn't a slight to you guys or Apec or anything like that at all but I just think that in general the peer riew process has failed us I think that it's it was Noble in terms of what we were trying to accomplish which is that I want to see I want to see your scientific ideas pure viewed by other people I want to see the uh experimentation I want to see it with my own eyes reproducible absolutely there's nothing wrong with that at all but I think that what's happened is that the people that want to hide this stuff have they know the process and they know the ways to discredit the process so some ways they do that is they don't let you publish your papers that's happened to Salvador pasas they will um if they do they will ridicule your papers and ridicule is an extremely powerful form of disinformation and then the other thing that I've seen relatively recently they also let be published too like this was the boganov affair in 2002 just shot a hole through the P all the journals and physics and and really like was the start of the downfall my opinion of the the AC the corruption in Academia being exposed you know and like I'll give you guys real examples so there is a paper by Harold Sunny White who's with NASA about anomalous thrust with respect to the EM Drive I mean as far as I know that paper stands out there you can still find it uh but then other people go ahead and they just say oh well that was just because there was some kind of temperature issue going on or it can be explained by temperature but they don't like it's not really like proven it's just they throw that idea out there and then it muddies the waters and and now nobody goes down that road anymore they say oh that was debunk you know but at the end of the day if that they scale up the effect and the the simulations didn't match the data anymore so seems like there's something not figured out yet I mean like a lot of times what happens is scientists are skeptical and they're this this is very common it's it's very common to claim that you have some Fantastical effect and then it turns out there's some error that you haven't accounted for so it's it's pretty standard procedure to try to suggest what those things might be so you can uh try to rule them out I mean because that that's part of the process is like you should try to State what all the common things are that should be ruled out and a lot of times that doesn't occur with the more uh Fantastical claims and so you know at the end of the day some people are more skeptical some are more optimistic about these things but yeah I mean it's just an open there's a lot of pseudo debunking that goes on in the community where you have like these people that just desperately do not are biased against the truth don't want to believe or they have like a website which is based around uh you know like Snopes for example was caught uh you know yeah that stories out because there's a high demand for you know people debunking certain information so if you provide that demand it doesn't matter if you know you have the actual product so some some people just want that link to the Snopes article so they can say no this was debunked and they don't my point overall is just that you see now that we've built this giant hurdle to pass over for the truth which I think a lot of people would say that's the right way to do it it but then the problem is well what if that prevents things that are really real from getting over that hump because people then just make claims to say that it's not really real and so how do we how do we really filter out the stuff that you know is actually there um and so for example the EM Drive thing then I guess the answer is other people do it like Charles ber right he got a lot of attention Rec they did watch a bunch of their Clips they did like 3,000 experiments they're convinced that it works um and then there's also the Q Thruster which was was sent up in the outer space November 2023 and then mysteriously they just lost contact with it and it took them three months to announce that they had lost contact and never got to test it um and so you start to see if hypothetically that's all real and that works you know how easy was it for them to hide it they just had to have somebody come out and discredit uh Sunny White and say that oh temperature was the reason they had to have incredible you Neil Tyson or anyone they could they could have to say something but with umus right you don't fund Charles berer and now how does his research continue and then with the Q Thruster thing maybe there's sabotage going on there I mean and again I'm just speaking hypothetically but you start to see like man now we've got it's it's pretty tough to if this stuff is real to really get it out there especially when you have people actively working against you well there's also cases like Dr Eugene me malof where he he he exposed that MIT threw a party for the death of cold fusion before they actually had their results from the lab so they were already like determined to debunk this before they even looked at the science um and Eugene malov showed that and then he got killed um some people think he was murdered um there's also the Marone scientist death conspiracy have you ever heard of that I heard that one the gec Marone scientists a string of uh you know from 1982 to 1990 a number of british-based gec Marone scientists and Engineers who worked on the stingray torpedo project United States uh Strategic Defense Initiative related projects died under mysterious circumstances that's uh that's certainly curious what were they working on for uh gec Marone over in the UK and um you know is that connected with any of the technologies that were you know absorbed in those orb yeah the orbs doing these weird things um these are these These are space-based Weapons Systems think about it yeah one thing too just my experience is I used to think that a lot of the people that were pushing free energy over Unity type devices were like frauders and scammers um I used to think that Stanley Meyer was uh for example and now I've come to realize that I think a lot of them were actually legit I think Stanley Meyer was legit I think that he figured out negative energy could break hydrogen and and oxygen bonds down I think that uh John bendini was legit John Cel I think was legit I think that they all just realized that uh magnetism is directly connected to this Zero Point Energy and that you can kind of froth it up and then it's a matter of capturing it John bini I think is is probably one of the most legit if you watch a lot of his videos seems like a very credible and serious guy um and he's got some ideas out there for how you can capture the energy magnetic David or do you think it's something more exotic like in the the math of like how the universe is constructed on the core level you know well I mean I I think there's something deeper to electromagnetism in general so you could still there's still like this electric and magnetic quality but I think there's something kind of under the hood that is largely been overlooked that's kind of been around for over 100 years yeah those hurts potentials for instance right yeah we were talking about this the uh last night which was uh if anyone wants to dig into that stream we we go into some of this stuff too um I don't know I'm not sure if um you did you watch the stream with uh on Candace Owens David oh I I did not get a chance to watch that one all right I just didn't know if um was I want to why don't we give Ashton a little a chance to talk about the physics and because I like to I like to give give you give Ashton a chance to talk about some of the stuff and then give you a chance to respond um to it we also mentioned a lot of stuff I don't know if there's anything else we talked about that you wanted to respond to like my research into this this guy who was who got arrested that they tried to cover it up and say that he was like growing marijuana plants but uh why would the Air Force OSI show up and not the DEA um it was it was a a really strange Story how this started and then we found out this guy is um you know working on classified programs and got convicted of you know bringing documents home so what was he working on that was so classified you go in and find out you know it's US Air Force stuff connected to right Patterson it's terahertz wave technology which I thought was you know like I sent this story to all the guys reporting on you know the ttsa stuff and you know even alzando I I'm pretty sure I've sent this story to and the guy hasn't said a word about it isn't that strange the guy who you know telling people that he's got these meta materials that work on terror hers technology and they're all about disclosure yet he wouldn't report on or talk about this story is it yeah got realized too that a lot of those guys just don't know anything about science you know and I think it's it's not that they couldn't understand it I think that a lot of people just think that they can't understand it unless they're a quote unquote expert um but the thing about physics especially that it's a matter of our observable reality and comprehending that I always tell people to start with a double slit experiment because my op serious physics go ahead honestly I think it's really hard to understand physics or communicate it on on a level like with other physicists unless you've like had the Technical Training you know unless you've gone you know through some you know it's it's really it's really difficult you know to find somebody who's you know and I I don't know are do you know of any breakthroughs that have come from you know in physics from someone like just completely outside of you know formal training or anything I Has there all ofer Heavy side was self-taught yeah yeah I guess so right yeah there's people are selftaught I mean there's not a lot of people doing what you know you guys or I doing and I'm I'm certainly mostly self-taught you know I business major economics um uh but yeah it's few and far between as you know you guys know from seeing on social media and what have you there's not a lot of people like that um so I guess what I would start with is I I the first question I think I want you ask is do you believe that there are UFOs out there and I mean not aliens or whatever but literally just unidentified flying objects that have anomalous propulsion kind of as shown by the dod Navy videos that were Declassified in 2017 and so therefore I'm saying you know don't believe any of these UFO Advocates but just like the government said we've got these videos we don't know what they are we don't see any visible propulsion coming off of them I I believe that there are UFOs and things flying out there do I know what they all are no but what's important and I know Jeremy you weren't you weren't too pleased with this clip that I posted but I think that Ken wheeler brought up a really good point which is if you've got this thing flying up there and it's hovering and it's achieving these extremely fast potentially hypers I or faster speeds where is that energy source coming from because conventional physics would say we've got to abide by E equals MC s and the amount of energy just even just to hover I mean fighter jets in general our most advanced fighter jets I think their fuel only lasts for like an hour so and that's to achieve some speeds that in some cases are Hypersonic so if these things are standing out there for more than an hour hovering floating Etc how are they pulling that off as far as I know just you know and this I haven't done the exact math but I would speculate with a high level of confidence there's no substance period that they could be storing inside of there especially because the more energy you need the more mass you need and that just keeps weighing you down and therefore you need more and more energy for the more and more mass that You' got going on okay couple things let me address it Point by point right one this assumes that these are real physical objects operating you know with uh under under intelligent control that they're not they're not projections they're not laser projection because laser projections can can go faster than the speed of light they can go from zero to Mach Three they can make 90 degree turns they can do all that stuff right so we're making sure that we're actually talking about real physical objects that do this and when it comes to UFOs uh you know I I I like to point out that the Nazis we brought we brought Operation Paperclip uh we brought invisibility over uh technology over from the Nazis during Operation Paperclip the 19 1940s that the Nazis cracked invisibility techn like basic uh radar invisibility with the uh u480 you can look up the stealth sub u480 if you search for that on Google you'll find the whole article and everything about it um now what's interesting is that in 1946 um yeah nuclear magnetic resonance was discovered that's what uh Edward Mills pcel won the Nobel Prize for and the CIA later hired Edward Mills pel to run the project rainbow which was the the cia's invisibility project for them so the CIA has been working on invisibility technology out at Area 51 since the 1950s so where are they in terms of that and if they had you know Advanced drones could they make them invisible I mean what are you know so the the the state of this technology and where it's at people have have no idea what they're looking at and what they're seeing when it comes to UFOs and I put together this 200 Page um technical intelligence summary going over the history of of all all this and and just some slides with links and sources to additional information and where they can find you know where where developments were at at least you know from the scientific perspective um you I don't know that we've had complete invisibility this Mirage effect thing is really neat um that can hide objects using you know the Mirage the same thing that bends light during a fata Morana or the Flying Dutchman effect um you can bend light using heat waves and and heating up layers of uh area at a certain angle to the um incident light beam and we just had a we just have a a new join in the uh in the back room here uh Dave you want to I'm just here to listen great to see you guys I'm just here to listen that's hey welcome to the party all right yes thank thank you um I'm I'm glad you guys are here because uh there's there's a ton of technologies that um have have uh you know we've come out and covered I I'll post this presentation in the links in the description of this video people want to open that up and check that out um so if I could respond to that though I mean even if you're making invisible the objects still there so I think we can take one assumption assume that there is a physical object there I mean okay maybe of course talk about this talking plasma and these projections but let's assume that these are carrier craft for for aliens that they're flying around in the warp drive if that's the case powering where's that power coming I think that should be the first question people ask to me it can only be coming from the environment it has to be coming from around us somewhere there's no Jets attached to it there's not enough space inside to have the mass necessary and especially if they're coming from alpha centuri or Andromeda galaxy or whatever now the energy levels are like you know through the roof so to me that's the big question right off the bat which tells me there's something about our universe that there's an energy source that we don't currently either accept or understand at the moment we certainly don't understand everything there's certainly a lot we don't understand well that's important too because I think a lot of people have this view that like we've got it all figured out and if we realize that we don't have it all figured out right now I think that our level of confidence and our current understanding of Science and physics in general should you know we should be a little bit humble about it because you know when you look at the history of science um it was this quote from this uh patent that I was looking at it's like basically every scientist has been proven wrong throughout history and everybody was confident that they had it all figured out and it's not that we throw out everything else before it's like we build on top of it right we say oh we need to interpret this slightly different than how we interpreted it before in fact the quote I think Dave uh Rossi here was that you know it's an A New Perspective on Old physics and that's how I look at it you know there's people uh like this one Jason guy in my replies who's always like no I I all the old physics is wrong we have to redo it all and and that's not really been my view my view is like I don't think it's we have to redo the physics or the math I think it's more of a matter we have to redo our perspective of the universe itself and I think that if you do that we we're going to find we're going to be able to improve we're going to be a improve our understanding yeah a lot of times how it works is the current Paradigm is kind of an approximation within the next Paradigm so it's you know you can still have breakthroughs in mathematics and physics and have this completely new paradigm of physics that's completely different and yeah a lot of times it might have different intuition behind it um and then you know because we have figured out a lot a lot of things have been successful so a lot of times you go and take some limit and realize you can recover that right if you go to uh basically like the weak gravitational limit of general relativity you can recover Newtonian gravity so in that way the hope is that we kind of keep expanding our knowledge layer by layer and you know really everyone's hoping one day we'll get to this Theory of Everything But I I kind of think of it as just the what's the next approximation I don't really try to focus too much on finding the final Theory it's just really just stay humble and just what's the next step to take so we can make further progress yeah and don't assume that everything we've been taught or think we know is you know true because that's like the the what we could be basing our you know perceived understandings on false knowledge so let me jump to another point then which would be and I you know just to throw it out there I'm a full believer that Zero Point Energy is the answer and potentially the great unifier if you want to think of it which would be Kusa Klein 19 26 there's an extra Dimension that unifies gravity and electromagnetism I think this Dimension is what Tesla would have referred to as the radiant energy what Maxwell would have referred to as the ether uh and that it's at a level that's the plank scale uh almost imperceivable to us but it's out there all the time all around us and it begs the question where does energy actually even come from like when I have my light or this light right behind me is the energy actually going at the speed of light from the power plant through all the wires to my apartment here and to this light that doesn't seem correct to me it was the veritasium video which first woke me up to this where he talks about how does electricity flow and he shows very clearly that the electricity is not directly flowing through the wires it's if the electrons are producing a field and then the electricity the energy is flowing through the field which can be odd when you consider like an extremely long circuit where now you can have the power from the capacitor the battery flow directly to the light bulb through the medium and not through the wires at all yeah there it is energy doesn't FP through wires and this was very controversial there was a bunch of electrical engineers that came out and said this isn't possible it breaks causality this doesn't really work and it goes to show that there's a lot of really smart people out there that don't really we don't really have this very great understanding of energy in general so one last point I'll make on it is you know Tesla is credited with having invented the alternating current generator which if we think of the the basic form is just hand cranking a generator where we take a copper wire and we spin it through in a magnetic field this changes the pointing Vector so the current flows back and forth based on when the the coil is is um spinning around through the magnetic field now the interesting part about this is that I think conventional physics would say you're converting the various forms of energy like kinetic energy into electrical energy or if it's like a steam turbine or a wind turbine you're converting the steam you're converting the wind into energy and electricity but is it really are we really converting steam are we really converting wind into energy if you really do something I would call uh so I work in healthcare it and we learn um how to get to the root cause of a problem we used to play this game when we were in training it was like you talk to somebody and they say something like my TV's broke my TV doesn't work and then you have to keep getting down and find the root cause and eventually find out oh well it's not plugged in or you know something like that right and when you do that with an AC generator and you say where's the energy coming from you realize what's really making the energy flow is a Time variable first it's oriented like this when you're spinning the copper wire and then it flips the other direction and this is what's allowing the energy to lack of a better term manifest and exists it doesn't matter that I'm spinning it with my hand or that wind is blowing it or that steam is turning it at the end of the day what matters is the copper wire is changing its orientation over time in the presence of a of a stationary magnetic field exactly that it needs that it's not just the V it's the V crossb part of the of the lrn force that's creating it but that's big because if you want to understand like where's the energy coming from then if you look at it from that perspective you go well maybe there's another way maybe now it's just an engineering problem maybe now it's a situation where we just have to figure out another way to get that same effect and what is that effect doing you know I think Tom Bearden would have said it's keeping your dipole open is what that's doing Crea an asymmetry where you have more charge on one side than we have on the other that's what allows the circuit to to flow and that energy to exist so the way Tesla did it I mean he realized you know this is Faraday going back you know to 100 years more uh me before I mean 50 years before Tesla a single wire he notices the the magnetic field going around the wire you know when when you put a current through it so you know how do you get double up that how do you create more well you you coil it around a nail you know like uh that's everyone learns that in like Elementary School when we play around with this stuff you know play around with some wire and batteries and and and basics of it right so that coil in a stationary magnetic field and then you're physically you you physically have to turn it and it create it puts up those Eddy currents you know the same way the magnetic drops through the copper tube it slows down um so the same same way that you know you're it's pushing back on you as you're trying to crank this generator so you have to put energy into that generator um to rotate that uh coil around inside that magnetic stator and then that magnetic stator holds the you know electrons kind of in place and uh they'll have to push through the wire right so that that's just I'm not playing a debunker part I'm playing like this is just basically what you learn in school if you go to school for uh understanding electricity if you they teach this uh they teach this at at the ibw um or on basic courses this is this isn't even college level um stuff I mean really but yeah so the important part too then is that and and this is something I've been thinking on maybe you have the answer to Is that can you if if the energy is really being converted like when I'm spinning the the the uh rotor or whatever I'm doing there in order to produce that energy from the AC generator is there an equation that would tell me exactly how much what's the conversion rate right knowing the type of the generator is right because I would argue that it depends on what kind of generator you have the efficiency the size Etc but if that's the case then is it really my hand that's doing the generation of the energy or is it the actual generator itself that's manifesting the energy well how do you get the AC current without cranking it how how are you goingon to get that time varying property and that's an interesting point so this is getting a little bit ahead of where I want it to go but one of the most interesting patents I found is Casmir cavities from Garrett modal and Bernard H and when you boil it down and you look at the universe is having this extra dimension of energy in it the way that the Casmir cavity really works if you're going to dumb it down for the people for everybody who doesn't really know that much about electrical engineering not is that you're essentially squeezing the energy you're squeezing out a little bit of the energy as it goes through the uh conductor uh insulator conductor portion of it squeezing a little bit of energy out and then when it goes to the cavity portion which is just an area of space the energy flows back up again almost like a trampoline where like you bounce on the trampoline do you have to pull the trampoline back up no nature itself has and the springs and the tension in the springs the stress of the Springs pulls the the trampoline back up or another example would be like the ocean if I was pulling like a cup of water out of the ocean is there going to be a gap in there do I have to make the ocean go back up no automatically goes back up due to the nature of the stress in the in the ocean itself or however you want to look at it so what you want think of in this case is that the energy the Sea of energy all around us naturally equalizes we don't have to pay to re- equalize it and this is how I think essentially the Casmir cavities are functioning is that they're pulling a little bit out they're changing the orbital of the electron just a little bit that squeezes a little bit of energy out and then the atom goes into the C the open cavity and it gets that energy back naturally from the equilibrium um and so that's how I would look at you know how can we pull the energy how can we cheat the system so instead of it's like I almost think that the AC generate things like caveman technology you know Tesla figured that out a 100 years ago and that's still the basis of all of our energy as opposed into looking at the root cause is creating this little quick asymmetry pulling a little bit of energy out and then letting nature you know go ahead and and give us the energy back so if you're going to make a machine from Casmir effect um you know one of the bit one of the difficult things I don't think physicists haven't been able to even build a machine to measure the Casmir effect efficiently effectively because it's it's just so hard to create such a flat metal surface and then get them so close together without touching but not touching you know just barely you know how they've done it with a sphere and a plate yeah wig I don't know if you saw the Thorson lwig video about Zer Point Energy but that's exactly what he mentions he mentions they do a little sphere in a plate and they're talking scales that are practically microscopic and the big problem is that if you get it too close it get stuck together uh but another thing that he points out is you could use a tuning fork to prevent that problem and if you use a tuning fork so you imagine a tuning fork next to so we have this let's say we have this wall and now I have a tuning fork next to it the closer it gets there's going to be a vibration in the tuning fork and you can measure the frequency of the vibration and as it gets closer and closer that frequency is going to increase more and more and so that's the way that Thor and lwig yes in this exact video he talks about how they're able to measure the Casmir force is that they instead of using the ball it's probably near the end actually uh where he starts talking about that part of it like right there somewhere somewhere in this range somewhere along here he starts to mention that they can use a tuning fork um as an of it which I thought was really interesting yeah like that we're getting close somewhere around here in general actually now this is where he's talking about Ken's shoulders and plasma so not to get too far ahead but um I haven't seen this before so I have to check this out there's the tuning fork right there boom there it is there it is so he talks about yeah then measuring the frequency change of the tuning fork and that way you prevent the issue of the ball the other problem with doing the ball mechanism is that it would snap and it would break break as well and the thing about the Casmir force is a lot of people think that the Casmir force is very weak but at very small scales it gets to be very strong to the degree where in electron microscopy um they have to be very careful about any two small metal plates even coming close to one another because once they get stuck like how do you get that thing apart it's so small you can't like actually get it apart again and this is where I think that it makes so much sense with Zero Point Energy Zero Point Energy is really at the planks scale then the secret really is getting it smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller and even the Casmir Force you know it it abides by the inverse Square law so actually the energy level is increasing exponentially the smaller and smaller smaller you get it so really the heat of the chming force isn't making it bigger and bigger and bigger it's actually making it smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller and then you know for me what I would do is I would make it on a tiny microchip like you guys have seen these videos on Twitter and stuff where they like zoom in on the microchips and it's like like a a whole like series like microchip processor inside of a processor inside of a processor and then I would scale it up again and be like okay you you make that a tiny tiny level and then you make it bigger and bigger make an you know a wafer out of it or something and this brings us back to the freescale semiconductor scientists I'm going man once you start to look at this type of science if this is really something that is fruitful it's like those people they had a patent for um optimizing the number of dies on a wafer you're like huh that's that's interesting right because that's how you would scale it up after you've scaled it down to these very small levels very interesting so if these freescale semiconductor scientists you know may have been on to you know some of these types of uh the actual manufacturing end of some of these classified technologies that would be a reason to get rid of them oh 100% and let me throw a couple other thoughts at you here um the first one is you know you talked about in the beginning of this like you know we it's worth looking into this because it could you know end our Reliance on fossil fuels like you know free energy for everybody abundance for everybody um but what if it's also you know a doomsday weapon like what if this is a situation where I mean Infinite Energy it's pretty simple like you guys are physicists you understand that really a lot of what holds us back with respect to some of these exotic ideas for propulsion Etc we need this huge amount of energy like if we want to make a wormhole but we need mass mass energy equivalent of Jupiter well if you have Infinite Energy like to me The Logical conclusion well I don't even I can now screw Wormhole I can make a black hole now you know and it's like well if that's the case you could see why a we would hide it you know B why it would be hidden under the atomic secrecy Act and then see why whichever forign whichever government figured it out first you'd do anything to prevent the other ones from figuring it out so if China Russia Iran North Korea any of these other people are trying to figure this out you might want to wipe them out and this is where Lou alzando today I just posted a clip where finally he's talking about he basically mentioned this he says you know what do you guys want to watch the clip real quick I'm curious to get your guys thought I have it yeah if you want to you you can share your screen and and make sure you do the one with the with the sound or whatever so you can play it should be there go ahead and play that or unlock more than the destructive force I think I'll save that when I'm not when I'm not like them yeah no worries think of mass and energy as the same thing so you need to get plank scale energy or something a common theme Here is we keep talking about the term National Security and I know I know you're you're here to interview me let let me interview you just for a moment if I may if I if you'll indulge me how do we this is a Sandbox here right let's say there's a technology now there's there's a toy that there's 12 kids in the sandbox but there's only one toy right um this toy has the ability to let everybody play together and be nice the problem is human nature is such that most kids most governments in this case using it as an analogy are going to want that toy for themselves how do we share the toy how do we use this because we we know there's countries out there that if they had a certain type of Technology they would probably employ it very quickly uh to their advantage so countries will use technology if they feel that they have to in a time of conflict the world is on fire doesn't matter what side of the argument you're on I think we can all agree that the world is a very dangerous and violent place right now right this technology has the chance to either bring us together or completely rip us apart once and for all right like there's no coming back how do you solve that problem who's going to take the moral high road and say I give to you this technology and you shall use it for peaceful means who is that the United Nations I think it's is it is it is it Society or at large there's it's like the three body problem they know we're going to blow ourselves up so they clamp down on the science and they're responsible for a lot of the productive science Humanity be okay with an Overlord an nhi Babysitter Is that freedom are you really free then if an nhi were to come down and say okay folks this is a reality hah haa we've been kind of playing with you a little bit but here's the reality you're all going to play well with each other you're all going to be able to to enjoy this free energy and whatnot um but uh you're going to play by our rules now what happens now what happens to to free will so yeah I mean to me I'm not a big fan of uh Lando in general because I do think he's a counter Intel guy but this is the first time I've ever really heard him talk like this on any of these podcasts he's done the whole circuit on MSM on every single one and just to let people know I've been talking to Jesse uh in private here and there and I've been talking to about the science and physics and about the implications of this because I I really do think like what he what L Alano just mentioned I I think this technology can be the end of the world like I I that's how powerful I think free energy would be in general so um this is the part where I just think that you've got to be very careful about what the implications of this really means a lot of people go well we've got nuclear weapons and we haven't destroyed ourselves which sure you're right but at the same time this is something that makes nuclear weapons look like little firecrackers this is a situation where pretty much anyone in the world could have a device like the size of your phone or a briefcase where that could just be goodbye Planet you know if it's really true that we can pull energy harness it from all around us if we can amplify that energy um and so then one other thing I want to kind of throw out there is if you look at a lot of these free energy devices that are out there the people that I think are credible you find there's some very Stark commonalities you find that they claim to produce over Unity coefficient of performance greater than one they claim to uh reduce Mass so you could say that's an anti-gravity type effect and they also claim to have a cooling effect to me all of those are answered by Zero Point Energy as being the source of uh gravity um because if you pull energy out of a region it's going to cool down if you pull energy out of a region and you uh polarize the vacuum or engineer the vacuum is how Poff would say then you know you are manipulating gravity and therefore Mass uh and then also if you're pulling that energy out you have to still abide by conservation of energy which means if you pull that energy out it's got to go somewhere this is where I think dra would have said that that ether of energy is negative energy and then we are in this equilibrium and we just pull it out and it's still just normal energy but it's like we're pulling it out from the quantum scale and we're turning into usable energy at the macroscopic scale what do you guys think about that yeah I would like David maybe to respond well I mean yeah there's I'd say I agree with a lot of what you're saying um but then you know there's just like little details like what just BEC if something's cooling then that means that there's heat energy going into something so um in principle if there's energy in the vacuum you're pulling it out I mean it wouldn't need to cool but yeah it is it is true that there's a lot of claims of things cooling so there's there's something there I mean I'm kind of interested in that because that extended electrodynamics Theory um how I kind of got into at first was it was claimed to Ed for be used for Thermo electricity and so I found that a little curious but um yeah I mean going back to the ether just to start there I mean originally it was just this idea that there's this medium filling three dimensions of space um that's the way Maxwell looked at it because typically you know you have a water w I mean this is stuff everyone I'm sure everyone on the call knows um but you know it's like okay so what's I'm curious to learn more about your picture of this Fifth Dimension I mean I've studied clus ofine Theory to some degree um but you're saying that the ether is The Fifth Dimension so um what does that mean for the conventional view of The Ether being this medium filling space and how does that relate to The Fifth Dimension yeah I'd say because it's at the plank scale or scale below our perceptible level well that's know to me that's an extra Dimension something we don't perceive we just use Dimensions to explain our reality so you know you've got up down left right forward and back and our fourth dimension is the time variable uh that we've got and The Fifth Dimension to me is one that we don't actively see and perceive but we know is out there because we have effects that we have to be able to measure and that this is where the idea of it unifies the quantum mechanics and the Zero Point Energy which would be the land L shift where lamb won the the the Nobel Prize for his uh um experiments with the lamb shift but the think the best evidence is how PUD off's um hydrogen atom at rest which would say well why is it that a hydrogen atom when it's at rest isn't radiating energy since we know from quantum mechanics it's never actually stopped and this also opens up the idea of like the zitra aong at small scales nothing's ever really stopped if I were to take a pendulum and swing it back and forth even when it looks like it's stopped it's still moving a little bit why is it not Radia energy then for the hydrogen atom to me the answer has to be that it must be in an equilibrium state where it is you know either being sucked out or pulled in at the same rate where it's where it's stuck there that's the case there must be something else there we don't see it but we can see the effects it's like infolded in our Dimension or outfolded however you want to think about it yeah so that Fifth Dimension could be compactified so you could have these little circles everywhere that are at the microscopic scale and maybe there's energy flowing in there I I I posed this to a string theorist once I said okay so you this is when I was more skeptical of string theory now I'm a little more open-minded about it I said okay so you believe in extra Dimensions he's like yeah duh it's like all right so can energy exist in these extra dimensions is like well yeah it's like okay so can energy rotate from the extra Dimensions to our physical dimensions I mean like if I have kinetic energy in One Direction it can rotate to another Direction it's not a problem it's like yeah I was like okay so wouldn't that mean that string theory has like technological applications for harnessing energy if there's all this energy and extra engin and was like no no no no you know that's that's when they start getting all nervous they're like oh well you see uh it would oscillate back and forth and then you wouldn't be able to do anything with it because it' be happening too fast and I mean it's kind of similar to Alterna and current at first people were saying well yeah okay maybe you could get these currents to oscillate up and down but how are you going to do anything with it it sounds too much like a free energy device and I mean maybe it's not a free energy device I mean maybe it's just uh an energy Reservoir device you know maybe there Just Energy there see I love that view David because that's it's free energy is a big Mis Inception and I think it's almost like the term UFO where people don't like to use the term UFO now they call it UAP because it's got this stigma Associated to it free energy has the same problem people have this stigma associated with free energy one stigma is that's impossible it violates the laws of thermodynamics right which isn't necessarily true if it's just a reservoir and it's it's it's tapping into the reservoir the other stigma have people have with free energy is from the common perspective is oh that just means energy is free but even if there's this res reservoir of unlimited energy which is really what free energy means is you have this Supply is infinite that's what's free it doesn't mean the cost to extract it's free you still have to build you have to have some mechanism pump some device whether that be a magnetic motor or if you've got uh you know Car Cycle yeah there's lots of ways you can take a reservoir of energy going from you know uh High you know high potential to low potential whether it's hot to cold um a train up going down a hill or or what have you it's it's uh it's it's all potential and kinetic energy you know um and the same way where like Hydro electric Dam you know or even wind it's like people have no problem with opening their system up to nature but then you're like well I want to open it up to the quantum vacuum I want to open it up to The Ether to the Z Point Energy and then they're like oh no no no wait a minute hold up but that's the part where I think that if we open our minds to that I think we don't have to redo all of physics I think that we look at that we go oh there there is a reservoir out there and it's not this small amount know generally this is the the vacuum catastrophe right which is like how much energy is really out there you've got Richard fan Aral and John archal Wheeler saying there's enough energy in a tiny area to vaporize all the oceans in the world which you're like okay that's a huge amount but then you've got other people like I think Lawrence Krauss might be one of them saying no it's just it's too small we can't tap into that that tiny amount of energy well there's got to be some's got to give both of those can't be true at the same time and if it is that there is this huge amount of energy um then the doors are blown wide open and this is where I think the reason why you see the Casmir effect named in like every paper about extracting energy from the from the quantum uh vacuum is that that's the answer is that yes every paper most papers let's say a lot uh is that you know yes at large scales it would be a very small effect because of the inverse Square law but on very small scales and the smaller you get it now that effect starts to get huge and it starts to get really interesting when you look at the dynamic Casmir effect which is probably one of the favorite papers I've ever read yeah that was I learned about that from um Eric Davis's warp drive paper so that's the thing I've read a lot of Eric Davis's stuff I've read a lot of Hal pudol stuff I'm sure these guys have seen if there's UFOs out there these guys have seen them there's flying saucers that crashed or whatever and I don't claim to know people don't read I mean it's all all the stuff that I got people like how do you know about these polariton condensates that led you to that that W that that Air Force contractor who got arrested and and how' you you know how'd you put all this together and it's like because you got to read the documents man you go into that footnote and he's talking about polariton condensates being used for the ne negative mass and how do you produce the negative mass for for for for that part and and and it's all connected I I feel um to you know some kind of research programs I don't know H oh J oh Jack sarfa has here chiming in oh Jack so mad okay but here's the another thing that's crazy is what if there's not negative Mass but again mass and energy are in exchangeable right because of eals MC s so what if there is negative energy what if what if the negative energy is just below C Level below the equilibrium like if we were thinking on a graph like we're going into the negatives but that's not an exotic substance it's just us pulling the energy out just like the trampoline effect we're bouncing down and it's coming back up that's that's our negative energy and what that might mean then is there isn't such a thing as negative Mass because negative energy just is normal energy so we wouldn't then necessarily have negative Mass but going back to the dynamic Casmir effect the thing I think is so crazy about this experiment is that the virtual particles that kind of collide I almost think of like the water that's like kind of jumping out of the this the ocean a little bit but it's only there for such a fraction of a second I think it's like 10 to the minus 21 seconds which is really really small but it they have these mirrors moving fast enough spinning fast with a high enough frequency they can capture them and turn them into real photons and that I mean you're just extracting energy straight out of the vacuum in that scenario if you unless you guys have another interpretation but that's the only interpretation I can come up with it and you go wow like that's that's a really really interesting effect well it's worth um at least highlighting why a lot of people think it's not possible to extract energy from the vacuum and it relates to this idea that the Zero Point Energy is in the ground state so if there's nothing lower then how do you take the energy out because if you were to take the energy out then it would have to go to a lower state and then people say oh well there's no free energy and then it was funny Jeremy was bringing up the page for thermodynamic free energy there's H H hoodz and Gibbs free energy and so for the helm holds free energy what that is is basically the amount of energy you can extract the maximal amount before when you're in a non-equilibrium state you can you can you you can extract energy and use it for work and so I don't know maybe Jack star F will like this but you know there's these uh these Boman approaches where you can have uh maybe there's this particle and a wave and so what if there's actually what if quantum mechanics is actually in some sense an equilibrium Theory and what if there's some Theory Beyond quantum mechanics that allows for some non-equilibrium processes um which would allow for some free energy in the thermodynamic sense um such that when you're studying quantum mechanics all all there is is this ground state energy and everything's in equilibrium so there's no way to extract it so I mean at that point it's just really important to develop that theoretical framework because otherwise it's gonna be to understand yeah no and I you know because I think that's what Lawrence Krauss said is that you can't do it because there' be no Lower State but that's not really how I look at the universe a lot of times especially in physics we find there singularities where it's like you get to that low state or that high State and what do we see then we see a black hole you know we create this Singularity state that occurs and what would be the singularity date for extracting energy from the zpe I would argue it could be the swinger limit for example Jack saati hates the swinger limit I found out but that seems like it's like 10 to the 33 or something like that limit there's nothing to do with the swinger limit swing limit where'd you go to school Michael where'd you go to school swing Ashton you know I don't I don't blame you because you're trying to learn this stuff you're new to this stuff and and and I I give you a break even if if Jack doesn't um we're trying to work through um all this stuff together and you know if it has something to do with you know it has something to do with all this I believe you know there's a little bit of Truth in everything I believe so um we just try to sort through it to find what the what the nonsense is and all this and and and we can figure this out or get some insights into the scientists who may have worked on this through you know insights into the into the science we can we could maybe find some of these scientists who who've actually worked on this stuff and get this out because that would be great um no I decided I decided to you know I'm gonna get Jack on to um next week okay rather than if I bring Jack on in this chat it's gonna it's just going to deteriorate and take away from what's going on here so let's just I want to continue with this conversation let us be Schmucks let us be wrong let us be idiots and um and and then Jack can come on next week and and put us all to shame with his I look forward to his rebuttal but also you know there must be something below what we think of his absolute zero because helium 3 doesn't freeze you know doesn't become a solid this is where we have our super fluids even though we think we're at Absolute Zero temperature the only answer there can mean there must be something below that at that point and then it's just question what is the bottom what does that even mean at that point right I mean just there's also pressure so I mean it's not just temperature so if you want to get a solid helium just apply some pressure I I don't see why there has to be like a Subzero just because uh super fluid helium exists I don't know is there some fundamental principle that says You must have solids at the lowest point or what well because really at the end of the day it's about your atoms jiggling right or moving around isn't that what we think in terms of degrees of freedom so so degrees of freedom you know one point uh there was an article I think on on um years ago about explaining phase changes of matter uh in terms of degrees of freedom right so when you lose a degree of Freedom like rotation for example or gain that that's like melting the ice melting and turning to from water to Li you know liquid to ice so pH you lose the Symmetry it's it's a Breaking of a symmetry like a solid has that translational symmetry so if you melt it you lose that that symmetry open up different degrees of freedom depending but yeah usually it's about the loss of symmetry or the gaining of a symmetry for a phase transition so I mean spontaneous symmetry breaking in like Quantum field theory is kind of like a phase transition of the quantum vacuum itself yeah but I mean would that's I mean my argument is basically that it would have be some form of energy that must be applied to the the helium in order for it to to stay in that liquid state instead of going solid well think about this too right Z Point Energy right there's Zero Point Energy and um it's I mean but that's that's kind of the conventional view on it so do you think that has anything to do with Laten heat in in in N materials because you know like you when you try to freeze water for example it it stays at that solid temperature until for for a while until you get all that energy out of it and then after that you pass that latent heat um curve you can actually start extracting the energy out of it so it's almost like you know may maybe there's some kind of late you know similarity why I know super fluids stay liquid even you know even though you you're draining all the energy out of them so I don't know Dave do you think the vacuums a super fluid what do you think about that Dave Rossy um I I I I think it is I think it is um I I just wanted to uh just for those in the chat that are asking why I'm not talking I I've had a uh I had a long day of flights and I'm just uh I just wanted to I saw the link at the last minute in my email and I figured I would chime in or join but um I I would say it could be a super fluid the the vacuum itself if you will but I mean at the same time um not to what I'm about to say here won't contradict anything that I had just said however we do have different layers of the vacuum of course right so um Chester you know probably even better than myself right we have the Electro Dynamic vacuum we have the chromodynamic vacuum or vacua whatever we want to call it um yeah I I'd say it's i' I'd say it's interesting I'm uh I don't mean to be super quiet tonight but I'm I won't be saying much this evening but this is uh this is great what you guys are discussing and and I think there's when you said for example Laton energy release Jeremy I would in my opinion I I think there's something there I think that there's more than one way to skin this cat with regards to electromechanical approaches of if we're talking about overunity I mean we know for example that uh a lot of common home heat pumps have a coefficient of performance over one substantially second law of thermos is not violated because what you're doing is you're treating the vacuum uh as a as a I guess you could say as um as a physical interaction even though it may not entirely be physical at that moment it would be treated as potentials until it becomes physical in a certain aspect so you'd be opening up the a closed loop system to implement the local vacuum as a as a a form of cyclical energy heat transfer and so on and so forth I think there's um one thing I'll say that is going to sound probably crazy to a lot of people but I'll just say it is that uh when you start dealing with this negative energy or these negative energies what you start having is is in the laboratory you start getting currents that are cold instead of hot cold electricity instead of hot electricity so you start having this sort of this balance between um hot and cold electricity evening itself out and whatnot which could potentially explain in some cases the notion of you know for example rotating magnets under specified conditions becoming colder and colder uh when when uh examined in the laboratory and so on and so forth but but yeah um I'm I'm sorry guys I'm pretty tired tonight I just wanted to jump in just because I appreciate Jeremy sending the link but uh yeah well dve that sounds a lot like what we were I think Jeremy was on my stream the other night where we were looking at Deborah Chung and she was looking at that she was trying to explained why when the current was going up the voltage was going down and she explained it as like the electrons switch directions is that you have this negative entropy type event happening do you think that that would be similar to the idea of a cold current I I I think possibly I mean for example um we look we see for example that uh Douglas Tor and ning Lee had postulated that if I remember corre correctly the quantization for angular momentum in superconductors resides in the lattice holes not the Cooper pairs so if you can do something to those lce holes in a way in which the current Direction and The Time varying current could actually become how can I put this um Can can superimpose a top each other um you may get some interesting effects that would have a combination of both hot and cold uh negative resistance if you will which could explain some of of of what is seen in the laboratory at times I think that there's also many different scientists uh respectively uh that label certain things in certain terms or certain observations as something different than what others have already seen in other you know private Laboratories and I think that you know anywhere from 30 to 50% of what we're dealing with is simply a an issue of translation in terms of being able to understand a lot of this whether it's the theory or or the um uh experiment and whatnot but um yeah I mean it's for me it's pretty simple it's it's scientific method is pretty clear if an exper expent is works and it and all artifacts have been ruled out in every way shape and form relative to the resources one has in a highend Laboratory um that means that for example uh the theoretician has to then change their model to fit this new phenomena um it's it's it's pretty straightforward in my opinion now again we we I'm not saying that we you know even behind the scenes that everything is known but by no means I think anyone that claims that they know everything is uh is completely wrong or or what have you but I think when when we start getting into these these these concepts of how for example certain people in in Laboratories have actually gotten frostbite from some of these cold currents uh it makes one Wonder okay are we dealing with something else that may have to do with again uh the dirx C as it's been called or the vacuum Quantum electrodynamic vacuum or so on and so forth um it gets it get it gets interesting it gets so uh I want to just for the people in the chat who are not as smart as some of you physicist guys are here um when Dave is talking about the heat pump thing this is something there's a lot of controversy about is this really overunity or not like because they don't want everybody is worried about breaking the laws of thermodynamics the way I look at it is you're you're using some amount of energy some small amount of energy relatively speaking to move around existing heat energy at a lower cost than it would normally take to Just Produce that heat with that amount of energy is that a right way of thinking about it sure we can even take it one step further with regards to the fact that certain heat pumps in in one's house if modified can actually become over over Unity I I don't want to say generators I say more so I call them facilitators because you can argue that the the the energy is all around us and so these devices facilitate this transfer of energy more than actually generate it so to speak um but yeah no I I I'd say so yeah there's um yeah I I would would say so then with the lattice structure the way I think about last structure I think about crystals and crystalline structures where it's like you are Paving a highway for the electrons to move where generally the electrons are going to be bumping into things and producing resistance is that the right way to think about you know producing these metamaterial lattice structure sure I would well I would say that if for example if one polarizes the lattice of a given magnet Crystal Etc um you can get some nonlinear effects when these devices or these crystals or magnets pulsed in a certain aspect with again it depends on on what you're trying to do right if it's high voltage or if you're dealing more with photonics and whatnot but if you can polarize a lattice of a given material um you may start to get effects that otherwise would not be observed in in the laboratory if those lates were symmetrical okay yeah and then the other thing that you just had me thinking about was that I'm not sure a lot of people realize this but like what is a magnet permanent magnet you know permanent magnet's an alignment of electron spins so it's like you've got all your your soldiers lined up in the same exact Direction and it produces a very powerful effect on the macroscop scale and this explains why you can cut your magnet in half and you still have a north and south afterwards because it's you still have the Align they're all still aligned in the same direction at that point and this is really interesting with respect to free energy because if the universe itself is electrostatic or electric and the Zero Point Energy can be polarized then you could be changing something that's random fluctuations into something that's now aligned by passing a magnet through it if I could if I could say one last thing and then unfortunately I have to get going but one thing I'll I'll leave you guys with is that um if you uh and I think Ashton you and I may have discussed this before but if one looks into or investigates uh Nega possible negative energy effects in inside of semiconductor lates with inductive loads in particular you may get some very interesting phenomena from that um there there's something with RLC circuits in particular that is that I think with the utmost respect a lot of people Miss simply because it seems so trivial but can be harnessed in a way that um if if scaled up and Amplified in can induce induce we could say interesting phenomena let's call it that I don't want to make any grandiose claims if you will because I don't want to say things that that can't be substantiated and I understand that if you know certain people say well if if one person's seen it in a lab and I and others haven't then how can it be proven so I'll just I'll leave it at that but yeah yeah Mike gamble uh essentially believes that with setups of RLC circuits he thinks he's a he doesn't even refer to as overunity or anything but he was studying Tesla's work I I would I in my opinion I I would say there's something there I'm not saying that RLC circuits alone are over Unity by any means I'm saying that when coupled under the right conditions to uh to certain setups whether it's a Casmir setup or a a a rotating magnet setup in certain under specified conditions you then may get some some ex some form of uh excess energy extraction yeah and I won't pretend to I mean I I like some of uh Ken wheeler stuff just because I like his approach on magnetism generally and some of the cool visuals he does one thing I I do agree with him on in terms of why a magnetic motor could produce over Unity is that just like with the AC generator I look at in terms of like churning up The Ether churning up the zero point fluctuations and this doesn't mean that automatically just by spinning magnets you're gonna get right over Unity like you have to how are you capturing that energy even if I were to churn up the ocean or turn up the lake you know I've got to be able to collect that water as it's flying around every direction and the water that's collected has to be in excess of what of the energy in which your hand is yeah but the other thing too when you brought up RLC it reminding me of when I I found this video about uh parametric oscillations um which I thought was very interesting because I do think it's analogist to the trampoline analogy or sorry I just it's kind of like trampoline situation where like you're double bouncing somebody but you're not paying to have the trampoline go back up to its original position so this then allows for a situation where if we were to think about at the macro scale it's almost like you perpetually double bouncing and they're just going higher and higher and higher and higher until at some point that person is just flying off the well there's sorry to cut you off ashon I just wanted to say there's an interesting paper that's recently come out uh pertaining to uh I believe if you look it up Jeremy if you would like it's called um amp amplifi I'm paraphrasing so I don't have it in front of me amplification of electromagnetic fields by a rotating body and basically had to do with What's called the zeldovich effect uh z- d oov i c the paper was published in the last month or so they took a these researchers essentially took a an aluminum cylinder and rotated it in between a toroidal RLC circuit and found that the closer uh the closer the resistance got to zero the more the energy became the more the energy Amplified in ways that they could not explain classically yeah yeah that was basically what the video I saw was saying too is that once your resistance fell below a certain threshold then you had this exponential growth of current as opposed to this exponential reduction which I didn't even know there was an effect like that I had just believed that there must be some amplification effect based on talking to Salvadore pasz like a year ago but you know more and more I find the stuff that I look into related to stuff that he said seems to have experimental support in various papers that are out there yeah yeah there's a whole bunch bu of videos on parametric oscillation and resonance I learned about a lot of this stuff um after you know I have a video 16 years ago when I first started my channel back in the day on uh called free energy and Zero Point Energy you know and I I talk about you know what happens at the Heisenberg uncertainty principle like oh if you go if you squeeze things beneath this plank limit they they literally jump you can either know it's position or its momentum within this limit of plank so if you if you squeeze its its momentum suddenly its position jumps and if you squeeze its position suddenly its momentum jumps uh which is a a really uh strange you know thing uh that you learn in in modern physics uh when you take that in college and and um so I talked about that and I and I actually had an idea for a crystal lattice that would be basically a bunch of diodes all facing One Direction so all the random oscill ations of waves going across the crystal lattice would would would only push the electrons in One Direction so you'd get a net effect of like harvesting any uh ambian electromagnetic uh energy and turning into a voltage and that was kind of my explanation for those rocks that Hutcherson was showing off back in the day where he had he had these uh you could it's it's basically electrets it's trapped it's trapped electric charge I believe I that's the term I learn for it later but um so we've we've tried to make ways of building those uh but yeah this is uh this is interesting and there's a lot of people that didn't want me talking to you A lot of people that are saying you I'm discrediting myself by by even bringing this bringing you guys on and talking to you but hey you know like we're we're we're here to we're here to get to the bottom of this stuff and and and you're talking science we're talking science um and I'm giving you know I have you know some a team of people behind us you know including you know Dave Chester who who are going to go out and try to verify this stuff and and we're also um here ready to uh you know you know prove out your machine you know if you you guys have been saying that you got some machines with uh free energy and stuff that you're working I think that and for Dave although I did I did officially say you know Dave is my partner uh with respect to The Ether Tech thing but man when you look at the suppression like what we talked about in the first 15 30 minutes of this you realize this this isn't a joke like this is real they've been hiding this and they've been hiding it very well and they've probably done a lot of evil really really evil truthfully you know I do say thaty scientists I I I brought up a whole bunch of things that you know are suspicious in the discrediting people ruining their lives killing people stuff like that and to some degree you know my my personal social Med media presence and and what have you has protects me a little bit from that but not totally you know not totally you they try to get me to lose my job and what have you because I have a normal N9 to5 I mean I'd be in pretty big trouble too so you know I'm bold but I'm not stupid and at the same time like I we you know Dave and I talked to a number of people we set up a bunch of calls about it but you learn that even in a situation where you can have an overunity device there's still roadblocks like for example what do you do you you have a device now that's producing over you free energy device are you hooking it up to your grid are you hooking it up to your house or are you taking it Off the Grid now if you're hooking it up to your house what do you do when the electric company comes and knocks in your door and they say hey what's going on why are you sending back energy why are we paying you for energy where where's the solar panels at you know like what what do you do in that situation it's not necessarily illegal but it's not considered to be possible they're going to think you're cheating the system and you don't really want that to come back and haunt you now the other side of it too is well okay now I'm going to take it off the grid then and if you take it off the grid now it's situation well what are you doing with excess energy do you have a system where it's automatically turning itself off at a certain point so it doesn't short circuit uh do you have a bunch of batteries that you're charging are you you know one of the things that we that commonly came up is well I'm you know I'll mine Bitcoin with the rest of it you know maybe set up like a server or something but even in that situation you have to figure out where's the equilibrium point where I'm using all the energy that I'm producing as well um yeah with engineering it comes into like how big you're going to make your machine and and how you know how much energy is going to come off it so so but the problem is is proving this out firsthand and getting a working demonstration and actually saying well how can we take these you know obscure physics Concepts uh that you know kind of make that make sense and we know about you know Casmir effect uh you know how do we take these things and build warp drives and and and free energy systems out of and so the way here's my answer for that right and how do we know that that's that we're not being misled on like some kind of sigh operation that this isn't all just spoofing lasers from Project Blue beam and they're going to they're going to spoof a whole big project blue beam thing soon and and this is to make us think that that it's going to be something else well so let me respond and then I'll ask you a question so first thing I say is that the reason why then I shifted back towards the influencer side is that you see this we we've now got the situation where everybody just believes that free energy is automatically violates laws thermodynamics that it means everything's free we've got to break down these misconceptions about it to me it's a situation where once it becomes uh once you explain to people where they understand it correctly it'll become self-evident that it's possible and then when that day comes it's going to be like the marijuana boom and the marijuana Rush where it was illegal legal legal now everybody's racing to legalize it and everybody wants to get one of these licenses because whoever was there on the ground floor now they're getting paid because now you don't have to worry about all these problems about people not believing you or what the electric company's going to do you take your device you hook it up to the grid you treat it just like a solar panel would nobody's going to bother you um so it's almost like you know why rush it I'd rather just try to convince people and get people on board with it before we get to that point and then my question for you which is because I know you're saying well I want to see the stuff work what is the standard of proof like you see a lot of these devices people have been sued for fraud or what have you for claiming have over Unity devices the people that they the experts that the people that sue them use don't even review the devices they just say this just violates the laws of theram without even looking at the device so how what is the standard of proof what would it actually take well well I'll give you some good examples there's a sorry if I could I'm so sorry j if I could just say very quickly and I say this not as a glass half empty type of perspective but um if my word counts for anything there there's far more money to be made when it comes to I i' I've had let me put it this way I've had multiple meetings with various different individuals part of private Contracting companies that have essentially said when I was going to present certain things to them they said please uh dispel or remove the the part of your presentation in which attempts to convince us of this because we've seen various versions of it before um in uh in Skiffs and in other places and whatnot and there there's a significant amount of money thrown at these inventors and experimenters to entice them to license out the device to these contractors now what the contractors do with it after the fact sometimes they just shove it other times uh other times they actually apply it to something that we will never probably see the light of day of um but to Ashton's point it's I would say now let me let me preface this with saying that don't get me wrong there's a sign ific amount of fraud out there without a shadow of a doubt uh with regards to the overunity stuff now at the same time if you have a situation in which all artifacts have been completely ruled out it's not plugged into the wall it's it's a relatively basic setup people bring their own meters they see that there's more energy being output than what's being input they see that maybe perhaps it's even self- sustaining itself the the the loop is closed so to speak at that point it becomes more of a a a mental barrier that I've experienced with people simply saying I refused to believe it and so on and so forth now with that said there are private institutions that have been funded by highly prominent individuals some all very wealthy some public some non-public in which work on this has been going on for years and years and years and they've been successful in a variety of different uh Avenues and approaches um why it's never been taken public is exactly for one of the reasons we've been discussing here it's difficult to patent something for example in which by definition the patent office claims cannot be patented because it can't exist according to their belief system so you start you start getting these type of issues now yeah I I'll just of course we have different forms of overunity right always said man you don't if you try to patent it they'll kill you or they'll buy you out or you know or the patent will simply I know of someone only path forward is open sourcing it I I would say I I would say so it becomes that's where I say that I think what you guys are doing is fantastic because you're you're basically breaking down that mental barrier that people have with regards to a classical understanding of Science and you guys are doing a very good job Humanity so we we're not trying to it you know I'm sure there's patent sharks that probably swim around the tank too but right right you know it's the idea is that we're we're trying to come up with a solution to save Humanity because we we we got a couple years left before peak oil and then power down we're going to either have to like invent you know stuff that runs on way less power um which is going to be hard for us in the northern climates to heat our homes we're going to have to go back to like uh chopping wood and burning it well if I could say for example there are a couple companies that I'm familiar with in which they're they're looking to take they're not going to ever to my knowledge at least in the in the near future announce that they have an overunity device but what they're trying to do essentially is they're trying to approach car companies with business models by saying look tell the customer that you can buy the car but you have to permanently rent the battery a Netflix subscription so that you can still have this come out but there's still some money that could be made now do I agree with that do I disagree with that that's not really for me to say I'm not really trying to say you know it's also what if it's lithium what if you need lithium to do it or what if you need some element where you know some guys knows this ahead of time and and they're they're going to sit on that supply line and say look look you know you can't build your your without this correct and then we also have a scenario where it's highly that all major energy corporations do actually have R&D departments that have that are aware of these devices that have even fabricated and replicated them uh successfully and have scaled them up successfully but it's it becomes a game of poker nobody wants to metaphorically pull that trigger when everyone's still making so much money off of oil so it's kind of like you know say Toyota's good say they have some Toyota has something Honda has something you know uh and there no one wants to pull that trigger first metaphorically because it's like I we'll just wait for some one of the other guys to do it cuz right now it's you know it's the the the oil and gas stuff is still you know too lucrative so to speak now that's where I agree with you Jeremy that the only way to bring this out is essentially by discussing it and one of the things I've seen unfortunately in that in a handful of cases and again some individuals that have discussed this type of stuff have been frauds without a shadow of a doubt but then there are a handful of others where they've said certain things that well it's crazy is is that the frauds you know get all the attention this Andrea Rossi guy has been like I want if I can just say quickly I want to I'm not related I just want to clarify that there's no relation good well well that's yeah hopefully there's no guy is suspicious because like he's selling it someone sent me links like $25 or $250 and he claims it's a cold fusion device in the size of a small box that's pretty incredible the Nano the Nano the Nano fabrication that be that would be required to fit something of overunity production in that something that small doesn't match the price range you're talk I would add maybe three more zeros to the end of that price that was my concern too is it just seemed right yeah yeah it was just uh he got called out and and exposed but the thing is he got the most attention and it all it it had the effect of a chilling effect on on on the whole field and the community because people who are doing legitimate research in this like uh George Hathaway or or or some of these other like Yep they're getting completely unmentioned and now people aren't going to look are just going to discredit them further through Association right it's kind of crazy how the disin the disinfo Ops or some kind of work it's it's it's like naturally that they they will platform the hoaxers and they'll platform like the people who who are going to discredit it more I that's thing it's like I don't know for a fact it doesn't work but you know I know that the amount of skilled labor required to even pull off basic over Unity device is pretty high and very expensive where it's just you think about it like Dave said it's more of thinking about what would it actually take if you were really to produce it and you just think that the price point doesn't seem to match but if I can say sorry one more thing Andrea also said on his website that he will only ship a product to someone if they provide if he receives 1 million uh orders pre-orders worth of of uh of funding so 250 times a million that's $250 million that's you who what B what business or what person says that they're going to only ship the device out after they've received uh down payments for a million pre-orders well so yeah one other thing too though is that a lot of people I find go this goes both ways but people name their product something different than it really is so when someone says oh this is a cold fusion device like is it actually cold fusion like with plasma or is something else going on I also saw this not to hate on Malcolm Bendle but Malcolm Bendle had came up with this warp drive engine but it's not really like a warp drive engine and so it's like I think that part of that can be a little bit misleading I I will say as well and I don't mean to criticize with respect to anyone in the field but I I personally cannot stand with the utmost respect I cannot stand by what Mr bendal claims um oh hey you know what I gotta um I think bendall reached out to me I'm not sure if it was him or not and then Dave Chester froze up and I back so there we go there go yeah awesome I hope I was hoping you didn't bail on us we're not getting too woo and crazy for you I'm trying to I'm trying to keep it fairly balanced between bring it back to the to the science here in a sec because I do want to talk about plasmas and some other interesting physics things especially with Dave Chester have some I want to know his thoughts and some stuff but I'm I'm guys I'm so sorry I do have to get going myself but I just wanted to thank you guys so much for for having me on and for sending the the link Jeremy I I appreciate it well Dave um it's unfortunate that your partner um s couldn't couldn't join us and I know that that has a lot to do with his job and and whatnot that you know he can't they they've told him basically if you go if you keep going on these podcasts like you can't work here I I think it's also I think it's a bit of that and it's also a bit of what's what's discussed and what not so yeah no I I I I appreciate that we're close we're getting close and the fact that we've been on it for so long trying to trying to get this physics cracked and out there for the public uh it's it's I think it's scaring it's scaring them uh I agree I AG something I would jump into and Dave thank you very much for being on here but thank you guys thank you guys so much thank you cats out of the bag thank you we had a couple other points that too is that like if you figured this stuff out and you're like oh I've got to figure out like man you almost lose your incentive to try to help other people figure it out because the more people you teach and tell about it like they're actually now your competitors out there and then there's this other view of like okay you figured it out you know it's real you realize it's just a matter of time before the rest of the world figures it out especially now I rest of the physics Community because even within even within this own small community there's incredible infighting you seen Jack sarf in earlier and then he was on he was on earlier this week and I hope you know you know he'll probably be on again to to to give his perspectives and that's why what I try to play this Middle Ground where I'm trying to get all different sides and really evaluate it as best as I can you know with with our our limited scope of intelligence you know I I I had I thought this was super interesting that they talked about this game that they they teach it where where two people get to play the werewolf you know you you heard about this and only the people who know have the werewolf card know they're the were werewolves and everyone else is a villager and and then everyone goes to sleep at the end of the turn and and then one one person wakes up dead and and uh they'll the villagers have to figure figure out it's usually the were it's either the were the villagers have to kill kill the two werewolves or the werewolves have to kill the all the villagers and the werewolves always kill all the villagers almost all the time because they have a hidden Advantage because they have hidden information they know information that the others don't know people start accusing the other people they start accusing other villagers and actually there called town of Salem I used to love that game and that's exactly what the game was it was online game that you played and that was one of my favorite things too because you really learn like how hard it is to read people and you feel so bad when like you're sure somebody's the wolf and then you hang them and you're like nope that was a villager you're like oh yeah you never know it's it's a real hard but the the the hidden variables thing is is a key advantage in Game Theory um which shows that you know how the elites because they are able to keep information hidden from the public it's it's they're able to just think and and play they're able to play chess and and 20 steps ahead of us yeah and this is where I would say like you know first of all I want to apologize to David Chester and for you Jeremy for you know being rude to you guys in my stream the other day where it's like it's so hard to It's like because you you've got that game theory it's like you look at from the other person's perspective and you're like how do you convince this other person that I'm the Villager and not the werewolf you know right right and I even have this when I talked to Jesse Michael you know he's like how do I tell what the disinformation is and what isn't yeah it's really really hard and the only reason why I'm confident is that you know truthfully I'm just G to lay it out there you know I'm sure the MH370 videos are real like and I even have more information than what I've revealed publicly and then when I look at that I go okay there's the answer and now I'm just working backwards and now I find all these guys with they've got this scientific paper like the Eric Davis's and the Hal pofs out there where other people are like how do I know those people are telling the truth I mean they work with the CIA they work with the government how would I know if what they're telling is truth or it's limited hangout and I just know it's true because like I'm like oh that's the answer right there there's negative energy these guys are talking about it and I just follow down that path um and that's I don't know I I don't know and I don't have opinion you know either way on that I was I was skeptical in our first interview uh last you know a couple months ago 10 months ago or so um it that you know that they that they were CGI and stuff and then the whole Corridor crew with with that and and the and whatnot I I guess it's um we about it is that Jeremy Corbell hasn't touched the story he's in every UFO story out there and that when you try to search for the stuff it it's just completely hidden and like and blacklisted which is just a weird you know I I I get really suspicious when you you're trying to find it on YouTube search algorithms and you can see that gtube the NSA you know who runs those algorithms has hidden this information from you but the debunks were right there at the top right but all the other like hunc is on there super suspicious that you know it's um the other thing that is just uh weird about it um you know I I don't know I've seen like the whole you know Mick West is like the video game guy and he's like oh it looks like descent you know that video I used to play that video game too when I you know so like it was like the ships and when you blow up the ship they they they have that like bubble and and he's like oh it looks exactly the same you know because it's identical and stuff and you know I can see how you know that that has turned a lot of people off I I guess you know the the other you know I can see why people are saying that you know have have their opinions about about it what whatever but it's again at the end of the day the government has crazy technology to do some crazy things and I don't know about teleportation I don't know what is isn't there an inform part of information Theory allows for no teleporting is it like a part this is actually what I wanted to jump in next although the no information the you brought that up one time and I tried to look into it but I couldn't quite figure out I think that our understanding of whether or not special relativity relativity is really violated and causality is violated I I think we just don't have enough data to really show if the theory matches what would happen in the real world especially when you include stuff like time dilation which we know is true as well it's been experimentally proven it's like maybe the universe has this self-correcting mechanism where you can't actually violate causality because even though you travel in your own frame of reference or from the outside frame of reference faster than the speed of light maybe there's this correction mechanism where you just show up in the future from the perspective of the Observer which now you can't like go back in time um so with respect to time and this brings up I want to ask David Chester his thoughts on the double slit experiment but my understanding of time travel isn't that you're going back to a previous state in the universe it's just that your local bubble if you're using negative time negative energy only what's inside the bubble goes to the past which is an interesting way to think about it because then when you think about Stanley Meyer and why the water would break down into hydrogen and oxygen it's almost like there's these rules or these levels and you're just going down one level from water back down to hydrogen and oxygen and that would be negative entropy and then you could say well then really time travel then would be like maybe reverse aging but just for like me with I go through the negative energy Zone but everything on the outside it's entropy still going up so you're going to the future but your local region is going to the past if that makes any sense and maybe that solves the issue of causality being broken well there's kind of two ways to look is it like a block Universe where there's just time going forward and you know or backwards and it's just like one thing or is it branching off into other possibilities so it's also possible that you could go back and time into the past but now it's just like this new Branch that's going forward that way so some people debate on that and then so that block Universe idea would be against that and that's kind of more of a relativistic idea whereas the uh kind of branching into other possibilities is kind of more of a Quantum idea so we don't really know which one is is right yet so that's my view is like either time is deterministic and you can't change the past and you're stuck in the same Loop and even if you go back you can't change anything in the past or like you said which is maybe like many Universe many worlds type Theory where you've jumped to a new Loop right now you're in a different timeline type scenario I I don't know slers like slide that shows sliders or they they just go to another uh alternate Multiverse like kind of reality so like similar but things are a little bit different and stuff and uh I don't know that's that's kind of a weird idea but it's again it's like you got to I I I want to I want to see this proved out in a laboratory that you know if this exists if Loy really has matter wave you know things that can turn matter into waves and then transport you know we can teleport waves we can teleport like light you know we've done that but like is you know oh man I've been fascinated with teleportation since I was like you know a kid so like night Nightcrawler was my favorite X-Men and uh H is that's fine mine's Magneto so well there you go and I always like try to teleport I could fly in my dreams and I could do I could do the force you know so I have like Magneto's power like Star Wars powers and and flight in my dreams but I could I could never teleport I can never get myself to just teleport and I try so hard and the only way I can do it is just freeze time and then run from one point to the other that's the only way I can do it I don't want to get stuck in a wall that's what freaks me out it's like you teleport how do you know you're not getting stuck in the wall over there that was the thing that Philadelphia Experiment man which was project rainbow right too which when they were trying to cloak things they theoretically teleported something accidentally well I think there might have uh the other thing is that that's interesting you mention that because there's people who believe that that whole thing was was was actually cloaking technology and that they spread the teleportation story as disinformation so I have the same Reserve reservations about maybe H 370 is is is really like this Laser Technology projecting these orbs and that they they disappeared the plane with invisibility technology and that they're spreading this idea that it's that it's teleportation just like they did the same kind of the same kind of thing they did with the Philadelphia Experiment and for me um and I would be I'm open to any theory that has evidence especially when it comes to m370 stuff but for me the thing that's interesting is when you read how PUD off's 1989 paper on gravity is z Point fluctuation Force when you go to the like evaluation or discussion section he says that this basically explains why you can Shield electromagnetic waves like with a faraday cage but you can't Shield gravity and it opens up the idea of like okay well if we're cling something we're shielding all the electromagnetic waves around it right you don't need his theory to describe that I mean you could just study Einstein Maxwell Theory as well I sure well I'm just saying that the point is that if you were to Shield all the electromagnetic waves around a region like with a Casmir cavity or something like that then all you'd be left with is the gravity because now you've blocked the barrier of all the electromagnetic waves and I almost think that well if that's the case can you create a very powerful scaler potential and does is that what a wormhole might be now everything on the inside is still going to have its own region because the electromagnetic waves that were inside that region are still trapped there unless maybe you like polarize that whole region um but I I do think personally this is my opinion I think there's a connection between cloaking and teleportation in fact the freescale semiconductor Engineers on board that plane the theory that was floated like three days after the plane disappeared that they started developing this conspiracy theory about it was that those guys were developing some type of stealth technology now I looked all around the internet for it and I couldn't find anything to corroborate it I don't know where that came from so cloaking is about making things not visible which relates to light whereas teleportation is about moving things around space so I mean there is that difference I mean it seems that cloaking is more of an electromagnetic thing whereas maybe teleportation is more of a I don't know let's say a quantum gravity thing I don't know but yeah I think there might be a connection but one quick quick thing I want to ask Dave uh just just to confirm and clarify we've teleported light but we actually we has there been there's no experiment I'm aware of where they've teleported matter is are you is that am I I'm yeah I'm not exactly sure um I thinks Adams but I'd have to look it up if you look at Bucky Balls teleportation I think it was I don't know if it was rubidium atams that they did and they super cooled them but I think that's as close as they've come but this brings up my next point I want to hear really both of you guys interpretations of the double slit experiment because to me that shows there's something fundamental about the universe that conventional physics doesn't quite understand now I'll just say my opinion is I like the pilot wave theory and I just actually heard Nasim heram herine is that how you say his last name uh he actually explained it in a way that really connected with me and resonated because he explained in the concept of zero point energy which is that we are in this equilibrium of this giant field of energy and that this is the reason why we see these non-local effects and why we see the wave function break down because we're not in this empty space where we wouldn't be able to explain why we see this non-local kind of quantum teleportation type effect where the wave function breaks down faster than the speed of light faster than we can like observe the change what do you guys think well yeah firstness Sim lately I I met him back in 2009 at tesl Tech and I like we we all went out to dinner and call her down yeah up and we actually went met up in in I don't if we went up in Albuquerque or Colorado Springs but yeah that was a that was a that was a long time ago I I got to check back in with him but what were you gonna say David yeah in terms of I mean there's different uh interpretations of quantum mechanics I mean in terms of double slit think about I like Fan's view on just looking at the path integral first of all as like the generalization of double slit to like an infinite number of slits and an infinite number of screens and then you look at SpaceTime that way and it's it's basically the same thing so I just want to mention that because it's a cool little thing to think about Quantum path integrals um but in terms of in terms of interpretations of quantum mechanics uh I mean I to some degree I don't think it always matters to some degree and you know a lot of people might say oh that's that's not we should try to understand the picture but to me I'm not sure that quantum mechanics is the final picture so a lot of people when they're trying to come up with these interpretations of quantum mechanics they're trying to interpret reality um whereas I I would say you know there's kind of this basian approach where you just say look at the end of the day all of quantum mechanics is doing is saying if you have an infinite number of identical experiments and you run those infinite number of experiments these are just finding the different probabilities of those outcomes and so in that sense it might just be Theory that's just predicting what a logical deducer would kind of deduce based on the information he has so I sometimes look at it that way um and then also but you know a lot of these interpretations they tend to it just leads to more arguments and not help science that much except maybe the the the Boman point of view is the only interpretation I've seen where it seemed to at least Inspire new physics Beyond quantum mechanics or at least a at it and so for that reason I think the ban interpretation is kind of interesting just because it's focusing on this idea of this particle and its wave you know and you could consider them as two separate Concepts and then um imagine extending it you know usually it's the way of guiding the particle but what if there's something else that could happen where there's back reaction that's something also Jack s is kind of interested in so um I think there's Merit in that that interpretation just because it can Inspire new physics but I don't in terms of like many worlds or something like that I don't know how to really connect that to experiment personally but that's becoming more and more popular no I think I agree with you and it's funny because I think Jack and I probably agree on more than we disagree on which is funny in terms of why I don't know why he hates me so much except you're really Bob Lazar I'm really Bob Lazar but no yeah I think that uh because yeah it is just it's it's almost like the universe is looking into the future and then reacting which is kind of how I perceive the the pilot wave theory where it's like it it can look a little bit of forward and and and back and if it if it doesn't know it automatically creates this probability where it can be at any point in time but if it does know then it says nope okay just kidding now we're gonna now we're gonna react and to me the really only interpretation I can come up with is that you know all points in space and time are connected is that time itself may be an illusion and that the time itself may be uh s either cyclical or circular in nature nonlinear in nature and that distance itself might be an illusion um we got one minute left Ashton for the two hour mark and I think we should wrap it up before the two hours maybe we we we've covered a lot of stuff we didn't get into uh there's so much we we still didn't even get into here um but uh where where can people find you you in your work David oh well I mean yeah you can just Google my name I guess um try to find my papers but yeah I mean I should work better at social media and all that I don't really do too too much so yeah best of luck yeah best of luck but uh yeah and um Apex aps.com and you can find a lot of his lectures on there and also he's been on the ape conference you can find a lot of David Chester more material um with with David on my channel on alien scientists um more skeptical scientific inquiry Justin uh J uh Ashton Forbes sorry just Ashton just X ashon on um Twitter and we already passed the two-hour Mark so I guess it yeah thanks for having me on man appreciate it next time we can talk about who knows holographic principle plasmas or another interesting Bose Einstein condensates think are interesting but yeah thank you David uh for being here appreciate you man and thanks Jeremy for having me on our show again yeah this was good I hope everybody they got something out of this this was an enjoyable uh conversation man and uh yeah I'm glad I'm glad we could keep it all civil and because uh you know everything and I'm supporting everything that Ashton's saying and and we're just giving him a sounding board to say Hey you know this is some this is where the physics is at and this is where where you know people should be at with with an you know their analysis of this stuff if they're being scientific about it so uh you know and if I'm not being scientific enough please correct me and and send me an email and let me know on Twitter uh you know what I'm missing and and what I should be talking about instead and if if uh you're the expert we should be getting on here instead of uh the people I am talking to so thank you all for watching quick shout out salvator p is going to be on my hard's podcast November 24th um I don't do easy questions so there's going to be some pretty serious questions for Salvador pasz you guys aren't gonna want to miss it that's going to be great man I want to definitely participate in that is it gonna be live I think we're gonna do it live yeah yeah that would be great oh that would be awesome I can't wait well thank thanks so much for uh joining us and uh awesome work getting you know a lot of the science out there to people that would never have been introduced to it otherwise and and hopefully we got some of those people uh you know on the path to getting their own degrees in physics and really uh you know learning this stuff because we need we need more Visionaries in the in the future of this game if we're going to actually get somewhere Humanity thanks for watching appreciate it everyone peace