Examining Plasma, Self-Organization, and Emergent Awareness with Dana Kippel

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Hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of Hard Truths. Today my guest Dana Kipple. She is the author of A New Force, a book about plasma consciousness and the new human potential. She's a polymath sci-fi filmmaker, author, and she's interested in plasma intelligence. She's a futurist and she's an optimist as well. Dana, thank you very much for joining my podcast. How are you doing today? >> I'm good. How are you >> doing? Great. So did I get the introduction right there? Well, how would you explain uh your research and what you do? >> Um okay, I would say that it is on the frontier and the edge of what people are doing in science and spirituality. So I call plasma like the perfect bridge of science and spirituality. My theory is basically yes in science there is a plasma. It is the force state of matter and ionized gas. And my theory is that there is a finer plasma that is multi-dimensional. It is sentient. It is the living fabric of reality and it is finer than the plasma we can now prove or observe in science. It creates the observable but it is somewhere between the unobservable and observable. So I think my one of my life challenges will be okay how do we observe or prove this and do we or is it more about the relationship with it? Uh so that's kind of it in a nutshell. >> And what led you to even like kind of look into this? I mean, I'm very interested in how people get involved in plasma and if they like read some of the people that I always get people mention to me like um you know, Joseph Frell or Robert Temple, that kind of how do you get involved? >> Crazy story. So, Robert Temple is a great mentor of mine. I love him and his wife Olivia. He's like my father and there she's like my mother of plasma. But I actually found them afterwards. So, I was meditating about 5 years ago before a new science of heaven came out and all, this is really hard to explain. I wouldn't believe me, but this is what happened. It was like my third time meditating. And all of a sudden, it's like a nosis. I just knew. I was like, plasma is the vehicle for consciousness. It is intelligent. Um, it is something, you know, beyond what they're telling us in science. It has there's a natural suppression to it. Like I just knew all of it has to do with like Mary Magdalene and Anana and the goddess and but also with math and science and I just knew all these things. I can't explain how. And then you know it took five years to kind of digest and create into a book. It took only a year to write it but it was just so much in here. Um and then I was almost like divinely led I know that sounds crazy but like divinely led guided to what I needed to research to kind of put it in like human words. So, I just found things and I found that I Googled because I never had studied plasma in my life. I Googled um plasma and intelligent and I saw that Robert Temple was coming out with a book the next year called A New Science of Heaven. So, as soon as that came out, I read it and that confirmed that I wasn't crazy because I was like, he's saying the same things I think. Yeah. You know, I had a similar experience where uh I remember my first conversation with uh Navy engineer Salvatore Pais. Uh he brought up and we were talking about gravity manipulation and stuff is already pretty far out there. And next thing I know, he's bringing up like, "Have you read know Robert Temple and like this idea that plasma could be conscious?" >> And I remember at the time, this was two years ago, me thinking, >> okay, this guy's like out there. This is too much, etc. And now I look back and I go, "Oh no, if anything, it's probably even more than that." Um, you know, >> for me, the thing that got made me start taking it very seriously was understanding that plasma produces its own electromagnetic fields and therefore can be self-stabilizing, can make its own shapes like smoke ring can make it >> because then it opens the door to this idea that um, you know, plasma is maybe more than what we thought it was. Mhm. >> So, who were your what what do you think is your most compelling research or you know for people that are interested in plasma, who would you tell them to check out or read? >> Sure. Well, I know with your audience, I want to say something really quick just to bridge it from science to metaphysics because I do jump a little bit around >> with you with you mentioning electromagnetism. So electromag magnetic fields shape plasma in science even on larger levels which some people in science would not say is true but if you look at the plasma universe model by Hannis Alfen you would find that it can do that and it can check out scientifically the point I'm trying to make is who has the largest what is the largest electromagnetic field of the human it is our heart so when we are connected with our heart energy one would maybe posit that you could harmonize with or you know create reality by molding this plasma with your consciousness. So it's just something to think about which is why when we're in our hearts we can create reality a lot easier than maybe when we're decoherent and angry and not in our heart. So that's kind of a lot of my research and I connect those things. Um and two if you're interested in plasma where would I start? I would actually read a lot of Russian textbooks on plasma physics and in Israel and India because they actually have the leading research that is not as suppressed as here. Um, I would read obviously my book, A New Force: Plasma Consciousness and the Medium Potential. I would read Eileen McHusk's book, um, Tuning the Human Bield. It talks about bioplasma and how it kind of connects with our emotions and trauma. Um, what I mean, I have so many books. Uh, a new science of heaven by Robert Temple. Um, I would read up on time crystals and how mushrooms communicate because how how my celium communicate and how viruses communicate and grow are actually the same as how plasma communicates. I'm looking at my library. Um, I mean there's so many books. Hold on. Let me just grab one or two because it's right here. >> Sure. >> I have like a special session section that is all what I've read about plasma. So, I'm just going to bring it to you really quick and be crazy, but it'll be worth it because this will help everyone because this is what I read. Okay, just a few. >> Oh my god. >> Library. >> So, this is the Russian um uh book plasma, the for state of matter by DA Frank Kemmani. And it kind of goes it explains it. It's like a, you know, ultra collegiate book, but it explains it in a way anyone can understand just the complexity of plasma and science. Um, and then I'm just looking for the ones I uh this book on soft matter is great because in the future we're actually going to be working more um with um systems theory and plasma and organic material and soft matter and technology. So, that's good to learn about. And then this is kind of weird. This is a chneled book. It is the wooiest book I have. Um, it's called Afterlife: Comments on Paraphysical Concepts: The New Physics. And this woman supposedly channels Nicola Tesla, but it still is super interesting. >> I can see the golden ratio there on the cover. >> Yeah. And then, like, you know, Nicola Tesla's purple energy plates. Nicola Tesla worked with plasma. He called it radiant matter. And then there's also radiant energy, which is what I believe is your plasma and consciousness working together. and he spoke about something more magical than radiant matter which was what he was doing with radiant energy right before he died. Um and then >> let's let's I want to broach on a couple of these topics. You brought you brought up a lot of physics topics that I've talked about and discussed a lot. Um >> first I think would be well maybe radiant energy and matter. So I'm I'm guessing that you think that there is a connection between this plasma cosmology plasma universe understanding and Nicola Tesla. You want to elaborate on that? >> Oh yeah. So when they first discovered plasma in like 1878, Sir William Krooks named it radiant matter. Um and then all of a sudden and this is like this is all in my book in chapter 2. It connects ether and plasma together. All of a sudden then they call it they come up with this thing called the loom and and Sir William Krooks talked about how this radiant matter had paranormal properties. He addressed the British Royal Society about that and X-rays and how there was something beyond science he couldn't explain that scientists were scared of. and he told them, "Please research this. There's something here." And then all of a sudden they come up with luminiferous ether and then how plasma's this, but then they disprove it with the Mickelson morally experiment which they were testing a static ether. And all of us know that ether is not static. So the test was wrong and defunct and stupid anyway and I go into it in my book. And then all of a sudden we forget all about this. And then Tesla's working with radiant matter. Meanwhile, in 1928, um, Irving Langmir names the force state of matter plasma after blood plasma because it has the same exact behaviors. And now we have after the the FBI is created, we have plasma, but all of its mystical properties were strict and now we just have this plasma that no one learns about in school and it goes underground and is tested in the military for like the last hundred years, but it makes up 99.9% of visible matter. Yet, we do not learn about it in school. why we learned about particles which may or may not even exist because really everything's made up of fields and plasma. So anyway, that's kind of the weird tale of the natural suppression of plasma and it actually has some fascinating links with the divine feminine being suppressed and magic and weird stuff. >> I've got a lot of questions on a lot of those things. So, >> one thing I want to bring up though, >> radiant matter, radiant energy. I think a lot of people look back at that and they think, "Oh, this was just, you know, 1900's mumbo jumbo someone make up." But really, what was going on is we just didn't have the terminology from the physics and scientific perspective to describe what this type of were seeing. >> But I do think it's interesting that it was connected to X-rays. >> Yeah. >> Because >> X-rays uh in that in that spectrum are one of the things that get released when you have like a fusion reaction go off. So when we're dealing with plasma, X-rays are really common actually. >> And this idea of like radiant energy, like this energy that comes from nowhere. >> Yep. >> That used to be absurd, but it got proven in 2011 with the dynamic casmir effect that we can actually make light appear from nothingness, from just empty space. >> So that kind of if that what if that is radiant energy and that was just Nicola Tesla or someone else trying to explain, >> you know, what it is. Do you think that makes sense? >> Yes. And there I don't know if you brought up there's a company that's named Kasmir that's actually doing some very interesting stuff. Have you looked them up? The >> Is that Sunny White's company? Um I have to look. I I don't know. >> Casmir Kasmir Space. Um and they have it's basically free energy, but the the Department of Defense is funding it. So I don't know, but they've had this forever, but now they're putting it out there. But it's called Casmir Space for a reason. >> That is Sunny White's company. Yeah. Okay. Very familiar with them. Yes. So Sunny White is it goes even further because >> this is where I want to help bridge some of the gap because people think when they hear some of this like oh she's just making this up or whatever like no these are like literal like former NASA engineers and people that have like defense contracts that are doing this stuff and Sny White is the founder of Casmir uh the company Kasmir it's named after Hendrickk Casmir of the Kasmir effect with the two plates and negative energy >> energy that >> and he was on Joe Rogan uh last year, not even a year ago, with a microchip that he said could do power low energy devices like pacemakers like forever with no batteries. So >> these concepts are absolutely real >> that people bring up and this is and and if you talk to a lot of these engineers, they'll say the same thing that this ask you is they'll say that this goes back to like Nicola Tesla. It goes back to thinking of everything as waves and why we don't learn about plasma. Um, one thing I want to go ahead Well, I was just say to connect what you're saying because I never answer the questions people ask me and I'm trying to ask answer is I connect the radiant energy >> which most people don't with actual with this plasma this finer plasma and our consciousness and what we create out of that out of literally creating with this en with this radiant matter in our consciousness is radiant energy. Some could call it God energy. I call it emergent energy, but some can call it dark energy, which expands the universe. But this is just simple pattern recognition. And maybe people don't take me seriously because I'm whimsical, but I know what I'm saying is going to pay off. So, I don't really give a because I think that you can be smart and still be authentic and weird and goofy. And yeah, X-rays. There's if people want to know more about it, it's pages like 50 49 to 52 in my book. I talk about this guy that Nicholson, John William Nicholson, and his other model of an atom and why it has to do more with like spectrals and uh yeah, I go all into those weird things. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Interesting. I didn't know about him. I'll have to look him up later. Um >> you'll love him. Deep dive. >> Have you Have you ever looked at a company called Brilliant Light Power before? >> You may want to check into them. They're more I mean >> okay >> not so much like they don't talk about plasma or um you know esoteric concepts as much but they've basically made a little fusion reactors releasing X-rays and they're trying to harness the X-rays as energy and they're trying to harness everything but uh I've been talking to their CEO a guy named um >> oh what's his name forgot off top of my head um >> it'll come to me in a second but oh Randall Mills Randall Mills and and I think it Kathine Hicks was talking about him and the breakthrough energy. So the reason why I bring it up is that, you know, assuming that you're correct, which I I think you are about some this plasma and my theories as well, is that >> people have been working on this and they've they've figured out this secret of it and they're exploiting it to make money and businesses and the government's exploiting it, I think, for military purposes. >> Oh, yeah. >> Now, is that why you spoke to Nick Cook? How did you get in touch with him with the >> Yeah. through zero point energy yet. That conversation is really interesting. >> Yeah. So very interesting story. So basically really quick with what's going on right now and so the government's known about this for hundred years, right? And now all these people are coming out with it. That is because and I' I have insider information about this and I'm fine saying it. They've been told and given permission by the government to come out with it. These people have had these technologies forever and they've in the past have been, you know, suppressed. now be so many people know about it and it's just it's a safer time for people where it wasn't 10 years ago and I will also say with that as cool as all this is the real secret hidden in plain sight and this goes back to secret societies as crazy as it sounds is that yes we can use technology and tools for this but the beautifulst gift of all is that we can use it with our own consciousness and that's what I teach which is kind of a fresh perspective and we can get into that after I we'll go back to your question. Now, Nick Cook, and this goes back to what I was saying, with my unique perspective, I got invited to a secret plasma conference. Robert Temple was there, Nick Cook was there, and extor um in England over the summer in 2025, and we were all brought together like 20 of us to present on plasma. Jude Kuran was there. Uh Bernard Carr was there, the black hole mathematician or astrophysicist. And I basically was there presenting on my unique theories in plasma. And we all made friends and met there. And Nick was there discussing his interface theory that he kind of was inspired by Donald Hoffman, I think, and plasma and talking about the orbs and how um what what the plasmoids might be as far as interface theory goes. Yeah. So I met him there. >> So that's how you got in touch with him. Wow. Okay. that so you were at a secret plasma conference. >> Yeah. I mean I wouldn't really I'm just being funny like secret but it was just close to the public like I posted about it but yeah >> no it's definitely a secret plasma conference. That's what we're going to refer to it as >> and and this and it got exposed on the hard truths podcast right here exclusive. Boom. Just like that. >> Yes. Um that's pretty amazing that that you had that you got involved on that and that you and >> I do want to explore this aspect of consciousness connected to it but I want to build up towards that. >> Sure. >> So >> you believe in the idea of the ether then? >> Yeah I mean yeah the like you know Aristotle spoke about quintessence and Plato and goes beyond before that but yes. Yeah. And I guess this is the reason why I asked is because that would seem to be the explanation for when you say there's this uh you know other version of plasma that's like I don't know if you said it was less dense or like you know >> Yeah. less dense. >> And that can explain it because um you know the idea of the ether is this idea that we're in a medium. >> Yeah. And we now know, you know, the ether was not in vogue uh and not hasn't been in vogue for a while, >> but we now know that there is this virtual particle anti-particle pairs that are constantly annihilating >> that we call the zero point energy that's all around us >> to Yeah. >> And so one of the things I've learned researching the science of physics, they keep changing the names of things. Yes. They changed plasmoids into field reverse configuration. I don't know if you know this, but like >> re combination. Yeah, >> that's like what they're using for fusion. They just don't say plasmmoids. They go field reverse configuration, but at the middle of it is a literally a plasmoid. You're like, >> yeah, ball lightning you were speaking about. I saw you speak about that. >> So, they do they change the names. Yes. Of all these things all the time. And that's why you look back and you go, okay, well, wait. So there really is this medium and what are its properties? Like they say, okay, well this zero point energy >> that means that there's these electromagnetic fields. Yes. >> Everywhere in the universe >> even when there's no matter or energy. >> Yes. >> But this is a big contradiction. How can that be true? What we're told is E= MC². So >> if there's no mass >> Yes. >> Where are the fields coming from? >> And they're not mass. Yeah. And the Higs field gives us mass. But my thing is I call it this is way into my theory but I call it 4D plasma. You can call it the collective unconscious. You can call it what's beyond the Higs field. But the Higs field is like a gateway where this you know fourthdimensional field which is this is going to sound a lot but like in between us and God or us and our higher selves whatever you want to call like 3D 5D I don't give a but there's this bridge layer. There's this middle layer that is in every mythology, every religion, every tradition ever, the subconscious, even in Carl Young and the collective unconscious. And there's this layer that feeds into our reality that seems to give it mass. And that that layer is simply our thoughts and emotions that are working with this non-physical plasma that we can call an ether. And that all connects back to consciousness and how we can co-create reality. We don't create reality. We're not God. We don't control it, but we co-create it with our expanded selves. And that's where where I get into the philosophy and lose some people. But it really makes sense. >> H it doesn't really lose me. I think that the spiritual side of it is more of like someone's personal belief system as opposed to the physical side of, >> you know, when you learn that magic is actually real, something like quantum entanglement. >> Yeah. Then you start to say, well, your perspective of that concept and what that means, it can be different for different people, you know, just the same way religions. >> That's the beauty of it though. We can apply what I'm saying as a framework to any belief system. Everything is a story. Science is a story. Reality is alive. Science doesn't discover things. Things are being created and we're we're growing and evolving. That's why all these new things are happening. You know, it's >> Yeah. So, let me ask you um or let me bring up another point and I want to talk more about this idea of the ether. >> Yes. >> Um you're probably not familiar, but maybe you are. You seem well researched. There's a guy named Ferris Williams. Have you ever heard of him before? >> No. Tell me more about him. He is the guy that corrected the nuclear yield calculations back I don't know if it was the 50s or the 60s but he was a Navy guy and he he decided to just do E= MC² on our nuclear weapons and he realized the yields should be 50% higher than what they've got documented on paper. >> Okay you say okay well why would this cause a big big uh scene? Well, it will cause a big scene because we're storing these things somewhere and if one were to accidentally go off, it's going to be 50% higher than what we expect and it's already a thermonuclear detonation. >> Yeah. >> But I think the real underlying subtlety of it is >> do we understand physics correctly? Because it turns out >> Ferris Williams was right. They had a tribunal with like the top navy scientists and top brass and they ended up agreeing with him his calculation the way so this implies that he was looking at physics a different way and in fact he attested that after this >> he no long he thought that all physics might be fundamentally wrong there might be a fundamental flaw because how could all of these scientists get the math wrong when all he had to use was use a calculator and correct them >> and I think that's a very interesting case because whatever happened to that is technically classified. We don't really know from the public perspective. >> So he could have figured out some side of physics. Now the reason why I bring this up, >> okay, >> is that he came up with his own theory, unification theory, >> the dynamic theory, which is >> in my opinion brings the ether back in a way where he doesn't say it directly. >> But the key point is he says there's five equations that you have to solve in order to figure out the thermodynamic situation of a system. And it's like the energy level, >> the change in pressure, and then the three vectors, your three dimensions. So essentially, if you were to boil it down, you would say three spatial dimensions, up, down, left, right, back, and forward. >> You would say you have your time dimension, which is your pressure. And then your last one is your energy equation. >> Oh, I love because that's 4D to me is time. It's circular time. And 5D is energy, which is outside of time completely. That's the way I see it in my mind. >> Got it. And 5D is the ether because now your system could either be this closed system that you if you wanted to draw your boundaries or you could say you know what your system is the whole universe all >> and he said he said if I need five equations >> to solve this there must be five dimensions inity as well to say about this >> there I gave you a little thing on but the reason why I brought that up >> yes >> I want to ask you do you think >> because you connect plasma and all this to spirituality and consciousness. Do you think consciousness is a local phenomenon >> or a non-local phenomenon? Do you think that our consciousness like actually resides in our body or do you think our consciousness is coming from somewhere else? >> Oh my god, there's so much to say here. Okay, I'll go back to the five thing in a moment. Um, I believe that our consciousness is more of a system. So, I believe that there's awareness in this fifthdimensional space. I call it awareness. You can call it fifthdimensional consciousness. It is our expanded consciousness, our higher self, you know, that almost is like a a pearl that can see the rays of every timeline we're on in this third dimension, right? If every choice we make fractals off into a choice, it also can see this fourthdimensional space where our thoughts and emotions are, the aosic realm. So, you know, sometimes it knows better than us, right? Our gut knows better than our survival consciousness, our logic. Um, which is why when we're in a state of play or when we're in the shower or on a road trip, we get those grand ideas because we're not in logic because logic can only create, you know, what's happening right now. When we open it up to receiving from the more, you know, higher spaces, that's when we get things that actually change the world. Um, but I believe that consciousness is more of a multi-dimensional perspective. So, you know, if I'm in thirddimensional consciousness in my framework, I'm in survival mode. I'm in logic. I'm, you know, feedbacking with the plasma of reality of this material reality. Uh, if I'm in fourth dimensional consciousness as a system perspective and I'm still in third dimensional physical matter, I may be feedbacking with thoughts and emotions or trauma, you know, or working through something in that layer. And then if I'm in fifth dimensional consciousness or awareness or, you know, just straight up being and I can be like that now in my body, I'm in the present. I'm, you know, I'm in flow, which I can get in a lot. not thinking about h that guy's texting me back like you know stuff like that which we so we can be exist in all of those and it's the really the multi-dimensional human and consciousness is just a relationship that we're in with plasma in these different states that's what I think >> so my interpretation of that is that you would say it's non-local because if you're able information from some external thing there at least is a non-local connection to it. >> I think it's important Go ahead. >> It's non-local. Yes. >> Okay. Yeah. And I think that's a that's a big revelation. I mean, that's what Tesla thought. I think I think he would have looked at as our bodies as receivers of information. Um, and that that's to me is a huge profound thing. I mean, even Sabine Hostfelder, she's a famous physicist, was saying the other day that >> I was looking her up the other day. >> Were you? Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh she's interesting, but you have to keep in mind that a lot of the these physicists, they come from a different world, you know, than and especially the older physicists, the world that they came from is not the same world that we live in today anymore. >> Yeah, she doesn't love the multiverse, but that's okay. I still like some of the stuff she says. >> It was Max Plank, I think, that said that, you know, um I'm paraphrasing, but that physics, you know, science advances one funeral at a time, sadly. And the reason why these conversations are important is that it's the next generation that will come in with the new ideas that will upend the old the previous generation and what their thoughts were. The non-local consciousness thing I think feeds directly into this idea of the ether and you start to see that you really are building a a kind of a unified theory about how all of these things are connected. It was Sabine Hospital's video yesterday. It said that can a any unified theory >> any unified theory must include consciousness and be able to explain consciousness. >> Yes, >> that's a tough ask because consciousness is like basically like magic for us. So my thought would be that it must be connected to quantum entanglement. Would you say I mean how do you connect these ideas together? Do you think that they're the same thing or that they might be connected to some degree? >> Sure. I would say it's a little bit within and without quantum if that makes sense. I would say it veers more into what I call quintessence or science that hasn't been created yet which is more like a holistic science that is bringing all the fields together to work more with pattern recognition than just pure science. But I believe science is wonderful and I believe that quantum entanglement um explains a lot of things in their own lens. But I think there's more. I don't know if there's even a language for it, but there's something beyond all of that that explains the what consciousness is in the realm. But yes, I love you know um you know like superp position, quantum entanglement. I think those things are great shadows to explain what is happening. But I think there's more of like a feeling emotion tangibility quotient that we miss. But yeah, I love what you said. Yeah. >> Can you explain to me the you mentioned earlier the um the divine feminine? This is the second time I've heard this mentioned. I think the last one was uh >> I think it was at the cosmic summit when I when I heard this mentioned the first time. >> How does the divine first of all maybe explain to me what the divine feminine is or for my audience and then how does this connect the plasma? >> Yeah. So loaded question. I have like 200 pages on this in my book. But >> there's a there is a reason that every secret society, the Rosacrruian, the Masons, like they uh Jewish mysticism, like there is this secret goddess that is woven within everything. Even before Christianity, the Ashira poles, which were torn down when God had a wife that all of a sudden disappeared when you know Christianity was formed. There is this feminine substance to counteract the masculine consciousness which is plasma which is now you know our current name for it in a hundred years maybe it will be something else but when you name something like plasma in Greek means to mold right and it also plaza plaz-m e-hur they're both feminine feminine names right there's a lot with language there and in the in these traditions they worshiped Isis anana Mary Magdalene, the rose. When you put plas plug plasma into a universe model, what do you get? A rose looking galaxy or a ballerina skirt. You could look it up on I think plasmoun ununiverse.com or something. But basically, the divine feminine is something within every man, woman, person. It is feminine traits of receptivity, of surrender. It is your it is every person's magic power. It is learning to receive this higher consciousness but also how to softly put it out. You know, it is subtle energy. Um, it is the mirror. So, if if this was a world just of consciousness, we would all be talking to each other, right? Consciousness needs a mirror to experience itself. It needs intelligent clay to mold reality to create. It is our creative dance partner in life. And we've forgotten all about it. And yes, know thyself is so important, but we have to also know this secret substance that we're working with. Or else we're just alone. And that is why we all feel alone like something is missing within us. Every human on earth is searching in material things outside of oursel. Like no matter what scientist you are, the problem we all have is really within relationships, right? But the most beautiful relationship is with our cosmic mother. It is with plasma. It is, you know, this magic and mother's milk within us. And when we right now in science we're brushing up against this, right? So it's I think a really beautiful time to kind of come back to the wholeness of who we are. Yeah. >> There's a lot of themes of duality in that. Um >> and there's above duality too. Yeah, I'll speak. >> Yeah, it's it's connected to electromagnetism. Positive and minus. >> Um and I could see how that could even feed into consciousness or to, you know, male versus female. uh themes as well. Um >> yes and beyond that there is so I'm because I'm not like a feminist I'm you know a humanist but I'm all about neutrality so in this fifthdimensional space beyond this right because the divine feminine is the fourthdimensional space it is suppressed plasma it is ki the goddess of creation and destruction um this fifthdimensional space is a space of the divine child it is of neutrality this is the space we're really getting towards but you need the mother and the father to get to that space you can't just go from 3D to enlightenment Right? You have to go through the darkness. And this is in every secret tradition too that they knew this. You have to go to the descent to ascend. You have to bend your knees to jump up. So this space that I think we're getting into is actually more the age of the divine child. It is the age of neutrality and of non-dualism and beyond dualism and the rainbow serpent and all those things. >> My buddy Dave would really like you. He he loves the whole divine feminine and masculine and producing the child. It was like his analogy that he said on Tim P when I brought him on there. >> Oh, really? >> I think he was freaking people out at the time, but now maybe it's a little bit more accepted. >> I could talk about it in terms, but yeah. >> And you know, this actually this makes sense to me from a holographic universe perspective >> because I look at this universe as if I were to say take away all this matter that you see, which isn't that much actually. If you actually do the math, like most everything is empty, >> then what we're left with is this >> substance that is we call nothing but energy and matter can appear from it out of nowhere. >> And if something's appearing from out of nowhere, then I immediately am going to evoke an extra dimension. Like if I were to look down on that, I could see what's really going on from the extra dimension. I can see that, oh, this is interacting from over here. >> But I can't see that from within that level of dimension. >> Yeah. To me, this opens up the idea now from our perspective of really just magic being possible. Like things could materialize, things could just uh yeah, just we could even make like you know Star Trek replicator type situation in the future where >> we build something from the ground up straight from scratch. >> Yeah, >> this is really I think the there's a connection between the plasma universe model and the electric universe model which are very similar because >> plasma produces electromagnetic fields. So >> yeah, >> I don't really even know how they're necessarily different. So if you hear people say like, oh, the universe is 98% plasma, whatever, usually they're talking about the same kind of concept that is electromagnetic forces >> can probably explain like everything or at least the vast majority of stuff that we see out there. >> What do you think about >> UFOs? >> Oh, I love that you asked this. I have so much on this. I think maybe you'll like this, maybe you won't. Who knows? So back to the nuclear stuff and plasma right these plasmoids just like plasma is a vehicle for consciousness. So plasma once again is sentient it is receptive consciousness can imprint on it just like a sperm in an egg right but it is not conscious itself but it can hold consciousness. So when plasma has certain properties of self-organization like in dusty complex plasma and this you know potential what they're using nuclear stuff it can hold memory yes but it can also at some point hold consciousness. So these plasmoids in the sky might be holding a consciousness which are most of the UFOs are made of plasma. They might be consciousness remote viewing us from another world. They might be our higher selves coming down to just check on us. I believe that the the real disclosure is that is coming from inside of us from our higher selves. So these you because we would have figured it the out by now. Otherwise, it has been going on for like ever. These orbs are just trying to tell us, hey, look what we're doing with plasma. We use it with our consciousness. We're using it to visit you. You know, it's like the looking glass. You can do this, too. They're trying to remind us of our own inner power. It is that simple. And when you take away the trauma and like you know the abductions and the negative stories about it because I've I've had horrible experiences with seeing scary things. I'm not discounting any of those but I've also been in through a lot of trauma and we all have. When you start healing your own psyche and you experience these same things in a positive way, most people I think will agree that these things are just trying to tell us messages to evolve us and we need to listen to our inner selves. So yeah, there's some that's what I think most of the UFOs are is actually these beings remote viewing us. And then yes, maybe there is some sinister thing where like you know the government or you know bad people have taken some these plasmas and you know maybe they're trying to do some you know brain programs and see what pe how people are interacting with them. They're trying to hijack what's naturally and happening. But if you're tuned in your body you can tell the organic from the inorganic experience in my opinion. >> That's what I think. >> Let me play. There's a really cool video I want to play here. So, if people are just listening, they can come check and watch on this um on the YouTube channel, >> but it's called I just call it plasma in space. This is a video I'm going to mute it. It's in Russian anyway, so you can't hear. That's why I put sound over it. >> Crystal, I love Yeah. >> Yeah. This is This is one of my favorite videos. It's in Russian. It's got English subtitles, but it shows dusty plasma in zero G. So, that's what you're looking at here. you can see self-organizational properties of it um immediately. I mean it almost looks like a little squid with these tendrils coming out of it. Mhm. >> And so they started uh experimenting with plasma in space and you start to see all of these phenomenon that we recognize. Uh first just the self-organizational properties of it and then here in a little bit you'll start to see that what they did was suddenly like a void begins to form when they didn't expect it which would represent like a black hole in galactic uh astronomy. And then in addition to that, you'll also see and so you see this superructure form is what you're seeing right here is these superructures begin to form where you see this organization that you wouldn't normally expect. You see black holes form. You will see and so there's the black hole that you can just see like there's this void just forms and this is all just electrostatic electromagnetic forces that are causing this. >> Look how clear that void is right there. It's just weird. You can see the flow entirely around it. >> Every taurus has a void. >> Yeah. Yeah. Every Taurus has a void. Yes. And then you'll also see it can explain galactic formation. So you mentioned dark energy. Well, dark matter is another one of those things. And even though the Higs field explains some uh some things, it doesn't explain everything about mass. And so here you can see this is actually just smallcale dusty plasms looks just like a galaxy. >> And the thing about galaxy formation, they say, well, the g the stars at the edges of the galaxies are moving too fast. They should be they're moving uh too slow. Oh, they should be moving faster relative to the um ones at the center. >> Uhhuh. >> Uh and so, uh and so what you see here is this explains why is that it's really just electromagnetic forces spinning around the center point, which is what allows those stars to move so quickly at the edges. >> So, that one video I just thought was really neat when it comes to um >> plasma >> plasma and how plasma kind of uh works in general. >> Yeah, the sentient plasma. The other thing I want to show, I think if I have it, let me see if I have this other video. >> While you're looking for it, this link pl when people meditate and they see themselves as crystal or crystal beans or like shining skin, the shining um that that's be I mean we're literally on some level made of crystal, right? So, it's the plasma crystal thing is interesting. Yeah. >> The other um the other video I was going to show is this one from uh I have to use a News Nation link, it looks like. >> Oh, well. um from Congressman Berles. I don't know if you had seen the video of this uh UFO that was like here. I think I have got it. Uh we'll use this Reddit link. Here we go. >> Plasma can shape shift too. Have you looked into the Gileia model? >> Uh I doesn't sound familiar, but I wanted to get your impression on this. >> Let me see. >> I kind of have I just kind of spoiled it here, but so my thought is this is plasma, but I want to know what your thought is. This is a video that Congressman Berles showed at one of those UFO hearings, not even that long ago. A couple months ago. So, here we go. >> There's an object. This object suddenly any second now. >> Mhm. >> It's going to get hit by something. So, we got this object flowing through the sky. We have some kind of fleer camera that's staring at it. Oh, this must be the longer extended version of it. So, watch. All of a sudden, it gets hit. it gets hit and you see these little things come off of it >> and it all just keeps going and so you know debunkers tried to say that this is like parallax or something but I mean look at what you're I mean clearly that's moving across >> no that's plasma think of flubber think of like futuristic technology yeah I mean all is sentient holds memory so it can shapeshift and magnetic recombination it has a lot of characteristics of plasma >> yeah so for me the part it gets let's go show the part where it gets hit right Yeah. >> So, to me, this had to be plent because if this was like a solid object, this should just fall to the ground. Like, this should immediately hit the water right there. Instead, it just keeps floating. And even the other pieces that break off keep floating. People try to say this is a balloon or something like >> No. >> So, >> to me that shows the self-organizational process. What are your thoughts on that video? Have you ever seen that before? >> No. I mean, I don't think so. Maybe I have. I don't know. I have the worst memory. But speaking of memory and plasma, I have the worst one. But funny enough with that, if you look up the Galileia model, I think you will love this. J E L L I U M definitely Google it really really quick. So one wonderful explanation is when these things do fly to fall to the ground why they might look like metal is because I believe that these are ran by if these are ran by higher consciousness beings when they when the beings are no longer working that plasma or remote viewing from that plasma it's going to turn into a metal and materialize when it hits the ground because you don't have that higher consciousness that knows how to work with it. And in the Galileia model, metal is very similar to plasma. So much so that Loheed Martin has patents um and people that train um these people who are flying these kind of shape-shifting metal planes because their consciousness can interact with the plane. So basically if if the astronauts and plane people have too much emotions going on, they're worried that it could take down the plane. So they know that our consciousness affects metal and matter in these weird plasmatic ways. Um, and there's, >> you know, plasma is actually closer to metal than what people think. This is another thing I learned recently was that because when we define these things, we're really talking about how the particles are actually able to move or not able to move. You know, solid versus gas versus liquid versus plasma. >> And the feature of plasma is that the electrons are moving freely. They've created a soup in fact where the electrons and metal actually the in metal electrons actually move relatively freely as well. So to some degree they share that property. So you could there's to me I doesn't have any problem imagine a phase transition where a metal >> transitions between plasma and a metal state. I think that's possible. And so people that say oh what about the boga sphere and all this. I mean in theory I could imagine there being a plasma ball that turns into a metal ball after it's deactivated or what have you. >> But I don't know until I see it myself it's going to be hard to you know fully grasp. Can I say a funny thing I'm noticing right now just with your background. Are those Pokemon cards? >> These these are not. My brother taught me my nephew taught me how to play Pokemon cards though like recently. Like I'm >> I'm not wood tier, you know? I might be higher than Rust tier at this point. Like maybe bronze. >> I was just thinking Pokeballs and orbs and how they have, you know, these mythological creatures in them. It just reminds me of these or like Fantastic Planet, the movie where the aliens are in little orbs. It's just like, you know, it kind of foreshadows what we're saying. But yeah. Um, but the the conscious I wanted to expand on the consciousness thing that you said. Um, >> because this is something that's come up in the UFO lore a lot. And this is one that I've struggled with personally because honestly for the people out there, I'm I'm more on the skeptic debunker side than I am on the believer side. Even though I say some of the craziest stuff ever. >> Yeah. >> And it's hard for me to wrap my brain around like, hey, yeah, we can use our minds and control these orbs and and fly them around. It's not beyond the realm of possibility. Yeah. Because I mean people have mind ships in their head right now and they're controlling playing video games with mind ships in their brain. So >> exactly. Yeah. >> It just seems difficult to grasp because I guess in my perspective I would say why not just have a computer do that? >> Like the orbs in the MH370 video. I don't need a human to be doing a mind link to make that happen. I can just have like AI can do that, you know? So >> yeah, >> it's not that I don't think it's possible. I just think like, hm, why would I bother doing that? Or >> yeah, >> you know, >> and and this was we were talking about this on space last night actually. We were talking about how like >> in the the Venezuelan raid that just happened. The the rumor is there was some advanced technology that was used and we had drones that were just annihilating people >> and somebody brought up like imagine like the super operator, the super operator is controlling like 12 drones at once, you know, and they've got their screens. They like having a neural interface would be super >> beneficial. And I just said, "Well, why have an operator at all? Couldn't you just have like the AI program that in and be like press go and then it just >> wipes people out?" >> I wonder, I don't know if you saw the Institute on MGM or Amazon, but it has to do with they put a battery of like 10 kids together who have telekinesis. Um, and they create this battery where they, you know, um, take someone over and almost like kill them like with remote viewing. And it's like this weird thing, but I I think it might have something to do with like the natural radiant energy that a human can harness versus maybe AI cannot at this point in time. >> Um maybe that can happen in the future. But as far as like when I when I think of why we would use AI versus us and this is just with like remote viewing or like you know why would these beings view us and without you know and not use technology kind of goes back to the feeling emotion I was saying. I don't know about you, but like when I've had these experiences where I can view other things, um the what changes me is the feelings and emotions I get. So that's probably why these beings are actually physically tangibly connecting in some way, if that makes any sense. But as far as like, you know, military uses that, yeah, I don't know why you would use person. >> So do you think there's aliens out there or you think it's just plasma orbs or what? No, I think it I think it's not explainable. And I think it more is about like I think there's tons of things out there, other beings of consciousness. Is it parts of ourselves, right? In Carl Young's theory, is it higher dimensional beings? Is it our higher selves? I call it our future ancestors. I think we're all a big freaking effed up family. And I don't think it matters who's visiting us. I mean, yes, like it could be, you know, a traumatic moment that's visiting us as and it's like a crypted, but really we're focused on the crypted and we write this whole book about cryptids when really it's like, you know, that we were like or like I don't want to expand on here. Um, that we were like, I don't know, traumatized as a child. And I think Carl Young says this too, like man's biggest fear is facing his self. I think there's a bunch of us just running around scared, not wanting to face ourselves when really it doesn't matter what it is. It's like what meaning do we want to make and what relationship do we want to have with this and reality and then when we do learn from these experiences what actually do we want to implement as change in our choices as human beings like we all need to grow up and face ourselves and then that's when magic comes into play because actually the more you focus on reality and what's really happening within you and your psyche you can actually start to change reality so yeah I think some of this stuff is distractions that keep us disempowered. >> Sorry, what was the last thing you said? >> That keep us disempowered. Like, if we're so focused on aliens, we're never going to get our own magic powers back. >> It's like, uh, I don't know what movie that was where they take your powers and they like hide it in a in a tool or whatever. It's probably in much of movies and books. But >> yeah, >> that was be my next question. So, what do you think's going on with >> public disclo? I mean, what what is your opinion on these people that are on the mainstream channels that are talking about we got crash retrievalss and alien bodies? I mean, >> how do you square that with your perspective of plasma universe? >> Yeah, people might hate me for this one, but I just have to tell what I really feel. I feel it's a really big distraction. I think it's cool. I think it's been going on for 70 years and it's the same narrative and I would question any mainstream narrative. Like disclosure is mainstream now. Like I question that. What's not mainstream is that we should listen to our inner selves and our higher selves and that it's more about like our magic powers, but that's not as cool or sexy for the news. So here we are just, you know, talking about this other stuff. I I'm not saying it's all fake. I cannot prove that. And I do think that a lot of this is real, right? Like I do think there are crashes and I'm sure there are retrieval. Like I'm not discounting it. I'm just saying like there's a huge part to the story that's not being told. And I like to look in those crevices of like what are people not saying? Like because if if things were really being disclosed or leaked, why don't we know the nuclear codes? Like why does only certain things get leaked? Like I just I'm actually a skeptic and I question everything and I I Yeah. I always question what is not being said, >> which is to listen to our selves. >> Yeah. And weirdly, if you I ask the same question and I would say, you know, you see the people on there, people I talk about are like Eric Davis, Hal Pudof, the engineers of that talk about this UFO stuff >> and I say, "What are they not saying?" Well, I just go look at their scientific papers. It's like, "Okay, what have you been writing that you don't say to Joe Rogan?" >> And out it's like all plasma stuff and like extracting quantum energy and wormholes and warp drives. >> A neutronic fusion. I didn't even know what the hell animatronic fusion meant a couple years ago. And then I'm seeing them writing papers about it and I'm like, >> "Okay, maybe this is something we should look at." Sure enough, you dig in and you're like, "Oh, it's all about plasma. >> It's all about plasma." I have the academia app on my phone just to look up stuff like that. That's where the real news is. >> I can't let you flex on me too much. You're like showing all your books off. So, I got I got a little book action here, too. >> I don't have that one. >> Propulsion science. This is Mark Millis and Eric Davis. So, >> Propulsion Science. In the late 90s, there was something called the breakthrough physics propulsion uh project that Mark Millis was the leader of for NASA >> and it pulled in Eric Davis, Hal Pudof, I think George Miley was a part of it. um uh John Kramer, several other engineers >> and they were looking at what is the next evolution of breakthrough physics which includes uh they looked at ideas like the ether warp drives uh wormholes and the things that I've I've been mentioning. >> Yeah. >> And they they systematically like eliminate things that can't work from a physics perspective and things that can work. I think you will be surprised to see the results um and what it takes is that >> I think you're going to find that plasma is the enabler >> of a lot of these types of effects >> because it goes to the root code the root code of the universe is that >> the electromagnetism of plasma may be interacting >> with that base reality now I don't necessarily know how to describe it like maybe it's I think my buddy Bob Greener would say something about like the relic nutrinos maybe are what >> nutrinos. Nutrinos are the secret. I'll talk about it at a later date. >> No, talk about it now because I was going to ask you if are the nutrinos what you would imagine to be the like the ether or whatever. >> I didn't talk about this in my first book for many reasons. Um I eventually in the future will talk more about this, but I'm still working on some things with it. But if one thing with nutrinos, I'll just pause that everyone to start looking up. It's there are three flavors of nutrinos and they kind of correlate with the Roy G Biv. And if we were on a holographic screen and they were made of three flavors of Roy G. BIV and they might have something to do with creating reality and plasma technology in the future, I would look into nutrinos and I'll share more at a later date. But um >> there yeah there's a lot there. I don't know how I know this information. It just kind of comes through me. Um but I wanted to share something else on what you just said and now I forgot. Oh well. Oh the Oh. So, I think the reason I can tell the truth about a lot of this is I have never been contracted by the government. I don't work with anyone. I am on my own here. I am not sworn to any secrecy. And I think that I'm in the perfect time to do it. I don't think, you know, I think I'm safe. I think I'm fine. And I think that all this stuff is coming out anyway. And just so happens I never signed a contract that I couldn't say anything. So I'm in a unique position where I'm not in any dogma of religion or science or spirituality and I'm just sharing. I seek the truth and I'm sharing that where some of these people like you speak of get interviewed but there there's stuff they can't say because they've been paid and I make my money on my own. Thank you very much. So I can say whatever I want. >> Yeah. Same with me. I think there's a certain freedom that comes with that that is um liberating. You know where you can say whatever you want. But this is the part too that a lot of people struggle with this idea that could the government keep a secret you know and I go well how do you think they kept nukes secret for the last 60 70 years. I mean we stopped nuclear testing in the 60s what what do you think we've been doing? You think we just stop nuclear science too? No but it's been we don't know anything about it. Turns out this is another thing you probably familiar with maybe not though is that >> there was this idea of nonfish ignition. What this means is in a thermonuclear weapon, you take the A bomb, which is like what we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, big boom, >> and the Abomb detonates a fusion bomb. The fusion bombs in the middle of it, and the fusion bomb needs the A bomb to detonate it to get this >> this detonation to occur. So, what they said was, well, we want to get rid of the Abomb part of it. We don't want that big a bomb part. We want to make just the fusion part called a clean fusion bomb. >> Okay? >> You know what they do to do that? One of the ideas is you make an electric detonator using plasma. >> The idea would be use plasma because plasma is not going to create a big boom, but it's still got this electric like a lightning bolt. >> Yeah. >> And the lightning bolts converge on your fusion target and now you have a clean fusion bomb that doesn't necessarily release the big boom. It just does whatever a fusion bomb does, which >> dematerialize. >> This is the question I ask people. This is just like if you want to know how brainwashed we are. Yeah. >> I always ask people, "What does a fusion bomb do?" >> Anybody in the world know what a fusion bomb does? >> Because >> we The last nuclear weapon we tested was in the 60s. >> Uhhuh. >> And that's been it. We've never seen one ever since then. >> And I think people's mind would just be like, "Well, it's just like an like the A-bomb, right? Why is it like the A- bomb?" Because we say so. >> What if it's a release of what would a release of pure electricity look like? Interesting. That is a I'm gonna look that up in my own time. >> That might be something fun for your next book, too, which would be to look up >> the connection between look up non-fishing ignition and you'll find it's all about plasma detonating a fusion bomb. >> That might be something to to look up because people should be asking that question like, hey, what does a fusion bomb or a thermonuclear weapon even look like today? >> They should be. You just actually really helped me out there because so I had this I do not like the word channeling, but I had this thought, right? I have this weird distaste for fusion and fish and people are like no it's safe like you know you're talking about fusion's not safe like fishision's safe and then of course there's cold fusion right which is something different but I I think they spoke about this in philosophy too but I just think that if we I know this is going to sound funny but if we more of people who are working with plasma first heal their own consciousness and are in their hearts more it's almost like the unicorn mythology where the unicorn reveals her secrets to a pure maiden. A pure maiden is not a virgin. A pure maiden is someone who's authentic and in their heart energy and and has pure intentions. And I think if we were to have those when we're creating with this plasma, plasma will reveal itself just like the unicorn revealed its magic in ways that are more sustainable and work with our earth and are not going could hurt us all. And it has nothing to do with either fusion or fishision. And I might look more into this in the future. Um, but there's something else that we're missing. There's a third thing. There's always a third thing. Speaking about duality, if we're looking at these things, it's not there. It's just like black magic. Look here. And I'm going to do this over here. Um, it's there's something we're not looking at. And I, you know, that's something else I'm looking into right now. Is a third third thing. >> I would recommend checking a neutronic fusion out. The difference between all those things that you mentioned is at first glance confusing. When you start to dig into it, you realize that >> a neutronic fusion is like the thing that when we were kids that they we would imagine like Jetson's energy being, which is like >> you're splitting the atom and you're pulling the electricity directly from it as opposed to doing a whole bunch more steps. And with with fusion, there is no radiation release with a neutronic fusion at least >> versus the one where you would have radiation, you need all this radiation shielding. >> Yes. So, so there is and this is the thing like that's another thing that you bring up is like is there this third thing we always think of like hot fusion the tokamac reactors we think of nuclear energy >> but we never even knew about this other these advanced autronic fusion fuels that you can use that have no byproduct no negative byproducts whatsoever they just don't even tell you about that but you'll see references to it when you start looking in the literature for clean fusion and you're like oh wait >> that's what that was so to kind of round this out this conversation Here's what I would ask you. Yes, >> this is what I like to ask people because people ask me this question is that you know what can we learn from plasma to expand ourselves and why why is this important like why is this understanding of plasma the universe etc why does this matter for our day-to-day lives >> um there's so many reasons I could give a hundred but I think the most important right now is it is directly linked to what we're missing as a society and it's very simple it is it kind of reminds me of the star and the fool in tarot cards. Even though I don't really know that much about tarot cards, it is knowing your power and being yourself. It is literally that simple. It is remembering who you are, learning to be yourself again authentically without fear of what anyone's thinking. And funny enough, that directly links to plasma because plas and I go into my book about this plasma, think of thermodynamics. You become more dense and wet to this plasma field. The more yourself you are, the more you're feeling emotions and it can and the more you're coherent, the more you can actually work with plasma to create reality in beneficial ways. You can live your dream life. And the more you also know about how plasma works in science and the dynamics of plasma, the more you'll actually learn that you cannot force reality to happen, but there is a a certain surrendered. I'm just going to say it. This is more philosophical, but it all will connect. If you look up plasma and read my book as well, it is not about willing something to happen. It is about knowing the feelings you want for your future and following that feeling and yes, setting intentions, but then letting plasma or this mystery bring things to you in a way you could have never imagined beyond your wildest dreams. It is like anyone you've gotten in a relationship with. You didn't just like will them into existence like you you were when the best things happen to us in life, it is when we're just being ourselves and things just will randomly come to us. That is the magic we're all missing. And it has all to do with plasma, even though this might not make sense right now. >> So, you have a you think that we're going to make it then? Because here's my problem. I I look at this technology, this stuff, and >> the more I've learned about it, it seems like has unlimited potential. I mean, you some of the stuff you spoke about is basically like magic, you know, to me. So, >> I look at it, I go, I don't know if we're ready for this. And ultimately, I go, I feel like we're going to destroy ourselves with this. Do you Does that concern you at all? >> No. I'll say why though. So, Buck Buckminister Fuller has a great quote um that we're inventing all the right technology for the wrong reasons. I think as long I do have hope for humanity that as long as we all start to work on ourselves and like get therapy and stuff that we will not destroy ourselves. I think that we dream up our future. And I'm optimistic because if we're pessimistic, we'll dream up that future. So, funny enough, the more of us that can create and imagine a better future, that imagining things is what brings things into existence. It's just like thinking something you kind of have always wanted and then the person calls you the next day. It's like whatever we think comes true, it's going to make it come true more. So I am in the school of thought not of toxic positivity. I hate that. I have dark emotions all the time. But of dreaming up a more positive future by believing in in humanity and ourselves there. Yes, there are very evil people out there, but evil is just fear. Evil's human created. So I am my goal is to actually get in the rooms with these powerful people and remind them who they are. And I think the the best way to get, you know, the best way to make change is is not to demonize these people that are killing the world right now. And it's not to befriend them either, but it's to actually create change in them. And how do we create real change in these people? And that is what my goal is. But I have faith. I'm an optimistic futurist all the way. And the most important thing to learn about plasma that I'm which would go good with your audience is simply if you learn about plasma in science and the dynamics of how plasma works in dusty complex plasma with electromagnetism, you can learn the magic of how consciousness works with this more etheric plasma. >> Wow. Well, I'm not sure I'm as optimistic as you because I watch Ghostbusters and Stay Puff Marshmallow Man destroys everybody at the end when they start thinking about there's always one ray that screws it up for everybody else. But that's what they're doing with a lot of mo like media is they're that's part of like the fear, right? That they're creating these fearful futures. But if we look more into like solar punk and optimistic futurism and and it there's even hints in all these movies, the evil man when he's trying to use the machine, he always gets killed before he can use this like magic machine and it's always the purity the pure person of heart that can, you know, use these machines. So, I feel like love always prevails, but it doesn't mean bad things won't happen. >> Well, I like your review, Dana. I appreciate it, and I've enjoyed this conversation. Um, so go ahead and shout out uh, you know, your book and where people can find you because this has been uh, really enlightening. >> Thank you. Plasma, a new force, plasma consciousness, and a new human potential. It is on Amazon. I sell a few signed books on my website, danakipple.com. And yes, it was just Graham Hancock's book of the month for um uh January. And then I also teach magic classes, the science of higher consciousness. And I'm going to be getting into like edge physics and hinge physics and topology and how that actually relates to our mental health and plasma and consciousness. I teach just a bunch of random stuff on there and that is on my Instagram, Dana. In the link in my bio, it is called a standtore. So you can or on my Tik Tok at DanaKipple or my YouTube plasma intelligence. So all the links are there. >> Awesome. Well, thank you very much. I'm gonna have to have you come back another time maybe on one of my live stream podcasts and talk more about plasma stuff. So >> yeah, >> have a great day and I guys, I hope you enjoyed this Hard Truth Podcast with Dana Kipple. Check her content out. Follow her on social media, guys. Catch us next time. Peace out, everybody.