Avi Loeb Interview Reactions w/ Special Guests

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# Avi Loeb Interview Reactions w/ Special Guests Malayan 370 contact 120m 3 breaking news tonight A Malaysia Airlines flight with 239 people on board including four Americans has gone missing [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita Vishnu is trying to persuade the prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says now I am become death the destroyer of [Music] worlds welcome everybody to the live stream I'm your host Ashton forbs today is a Monday or maybe Tuesday if you're somewhere on the other side of the world or watching this on recording anyway anyway hello hope you guys are having a great day so today I decided we would do something a little bit different and uh react to the Avi lob interview if you've not checked out the Avi lob interview please check it out I think it was really good and I think it's really important for people to start thinking outside of the box on the UFO phenomenon physics and general and the idea of alien life a is a gem I love talking to him I watched the recording in real time yesterday um and I thought I did better than I an anticipated and expected so it's definitely a situation where you're G get hear answers to questions and questions that these people don't generally get asked so it was great okay so today we are gonna start with Bob Greener then we've got Jeremy ree alien scientist he's in the chat we're going to talk to him uh after that we're going to talk to Michael Peron who I haven't talked to on my stream yet and then we're going to talk to uh Bernie as well the crypto Alchemist so uh one more thing I want to say before we get to that um actually you know what I think we're just gonna jump actually yeah right before we do that I want to say all of this has been because of the MH370 videos talking to everybody I got to show ail lob the videos and I've been able to email with aiob back back and forth as well and I've realized like we're the type of technology that we're potentially dealing with with respect to this UFO phenomenon really is as huge as free energy it's it's something so big that they can't even tell the truth about it because it would just change everything and we've done a lot of evil stuff to maintain supremacy of it uh and I think it's going to break people's minds it's going to break people's minds so without further ado let's have Bob up I haven't talked to Bob in a long time hey Bob how's it going brother hello it's uh I think Cosmic Summit right Che oh I only brought water I'm sorry I was going to bring a a cocktail or something but I I I uh didn't thank you for coming on man I hear it's like really really early where you're at right now uh it is 2 am just gone past yes so thank you for uh putting me up first so that I can get back to bed so did you you watch the interview yesterday or today what did you think I I did I watched it live I commented live I think you did a fantastic job I think it was uh absolute stuff of legend that he had not actually seen the videos and he showed in the first video and he was saying well maybe if you had a satellite image and he's like you think I've got one of those I think that was quite epic really so well done to totally awesome yeah really enjoyed um so I didn't have a chance to really talk to him about cold plasma or you know cold fusion in general it was actually on my list it was one of the only things I didn't talk to him about but I just figured I have another chance to talk to him in the future at some point and got through a lot of controversial topics so H you know I think you can puted yourself amazingly uh and and I doe credit to Abby for not like going I'm out of here he he carried on with the conversation I think that was a great um credit to him what Impressions did you get about him or from him in general from the conversation well first up uh I've said as long as I can remember thinking about these subjects that obviously the statistics uh of the stars in the heavens uh point to the fact that absolutely must be uh other sentient life forms out there so I fully agree with that position there and I I think he's on a a good bet with uh Elon Musk uh with finding evidence of such things out there I thought his position on uh you know trying to look at signals that are coming using our technology in a specific uh frequency band because I think I think with seti they're looking at the hydrogen line which is 21.1 centimeters something like that and seeing if they can see anomalous signals in there and I know the guy that you've spoken to before Professor uh uh Simon has actually believes that there is a signal that has been detected that might be interesting even within that little Spectrum but I think if you imagine that we've only been having these communication Technologies in this cycle for a very small period of time uh the idea that you have coincident uh uh sentient or uh highly organized uh and technologically advanced uh creatures uh on different planets that happen to send a message using electromagnetic waves that happen to coincide with the ex and he made a good argument that like we might be receiving a message like we see the light from stars um a long time after it was sent and that if you're trying to send the message back through the same mechanism yeah that then you're not going to actually have a conversation with them but doesn't that that that brings up this idea and this is a good topic to talk to you about with this idea of like how SE and looking for alien signatures and not just Communications but techno signatures as well and I feel like ob's looking for these techno signatures but the argument you just brought up to me there's one loog two logical conclusions one way or the other one is that we're all alone we can never hear anybody or the other is aliens are using another form of communication that I think they are and I think we have evidence of that because if you look at the arbo message that was sent out I believe in the 1970s that was replied to in 2000 and 2001 and if you recall it's this thing where you have this kind of uh black and white Matrix binary code and and what it has down bottom it has the communication technology and they showed a radar dish with the frequency that was used to send the message and it came back what 30 something years later or or or quarter of a century later in that next to the CH bolon observatory in the UK which at the time I think was the largest uh uh rotating uh radio telescope but it was in the field there's a crop circle next next door and in I think it was there was a message in 20 and then another message in 2001 in 2001 it had a kind of like a fa simile but with the variations to account for what supposedly those aliens were using but down the bottom where it had this uh communication method uh it didn't show a radio telescope it showed a fractal toroidal geometry and that is why I have that on my wedding ring here that is the uh uh geometry of it and um essentially uh it that show their communication method and in the previous year they had this um larger crop circle so showing that in in much much higher detail and so the implication is that they're using a method that does not have this time delay yeah so and that's a big thing because that's what how pof's brought that up is that people should look into faster and like communication but like okay he I'm not Bea around the bush with how bu off he knows I'm gu I'm sure he knows like you don't for a guy like him to be like oh maybe people should look into faster than light communication like yeah he probably knows it's possible I think he's trying nudge in the right direction and if you look at his journey he ran the psychic spy program the men that Stare at Goats that kind of thing uh for the CIA at Stanford Research Institute when it was not a private entity and in 1992 that was transferred at the end of the Cold War as far as I understand it the science applications International uh Corporation in San Diego which was a price pseudo private entity basically government funded but it's set up so that they can continue the research or hold the research in such a way that after the Cold War when when you've got people doing uh um you know requests for the information Freedom of Information requests it cannot be given to a private company so they can hold that and then you see nine months later nine months later he's showing this uh vector and scaler potential uh system which he doesn't mention is using the troyal moment which is what's on my wedding rooming um uh but that uses the vector and scaler potential and things like uh uh Quantum you you know Jo Junction make up some fancy word for Quantum is just I mean just means small you know just means like tiny infimal yeah yeah it we're kind of small but everywhere uh but that's question do you think that let me ask you a question real quick for so do you think the scaler potential is gravity wave is that the answer gravity wave gravity wave communication because I asked Obi L what about high frequency gravity waves and he was seemed very confused by that or didn't think that I was I I think you are able to communicate through the vector and scaler potential in a medium where it's able to transmute uh transmit the message without transmitting it's already everywhere all at the same time and I've talked about this if you have a condensate of something when you uh take say for inst sodium 23 atoms and you cool them down to nearly absolute zero and it forms a a Bose Einstein condensate the individual atoms L lose their individual state that is to say that they're all sharing the same wave function so if you actually introduce some information on one side of the condensate all of the condensate knows that information absolutely instantaneously now where it's difficult to understand is that you could have a a condensate through the entire universe and there is such a thing and it's a relic neutrino these are uh able they are in a condensate form and they are one wave function through the entire universe so if you can get a message in all of the condensate simultaneously by introducing it into the lab it's just it's just difficult for people to understand that you could have a condensate that is Universe wide that actually pervades into all matter but if that was true and you can interact with it then you can have a communication method based on the drawings in his patent that he's uh working with Larry forsley at Nasa I think or Larry forsley has been working at Nasa who's also been working on Cold Fusion same Larry forsley um they they are able to communicate and he says I think recently he's been using this to develop these Technologies to communicate for instance with submarines and submarines means you have to have a technology that doesn't get in tenu uh so easily yeah so you got squids and and uh you have cubits and Joseph and Junctions these are all Quantum devices but of course we have a Quantum device in our in our brain and that uses as far as I can work out based on Sydney Technical University uh June 15 2023 a thidal moment and so you have all these different Technologies uh that are based on a thing that can interact in my view with this superu super fluid universally wide condensate and and then you get into whole sort of psychological interactions with these phenomena so starting to come out thankfully now yeah I want to talk two more topics because we don't have too much time but and I want to talk expand on that is that so do you have any opinion on the high frequency gravitational wave aspect because I I think that my opinion maybe I'm off you know I don't mind being wrong but my opinion was that the Lio was looking for low frequency gravity waves um and that we can potentially use high frequency gravity waves to find uh basically what like another civilization would use the reason why I bring this up is because somebody in the chat also pointed out look for Dyson spheres well if there's energy all around us the point is we don't need a Dyson Sphere anymore but we can use you don't need dere I'll go back for a second I'm G look for that paper but we can use the same concept uh which is look for what aliens would use well instead of just looking for their energy uction method look for their cars look for their mobile methods like if they're using warp drive we should be able to use maybe a let's just call it gravity detection system if we're or Quantum Quantum detection system since we're using order Quantum for anything I I've argued that the ligo itself is actually a means uh for detecting use of the Technologies it's actually dual use what one is to say oh we're doing astrological observations of merging black holes the other one is if anyone's using these Technologies on Earth we're going to be able to triangulate the where they are by using our various ligo detectors and measuring the time difference of receipt of the signals from those those various ligo type style detectors in terms of is high frequency gravitational waves I would argue that gravitation uh is through Relic neutrinos and I based that on the paper from CERN Theory group from 2008 by Bob melrath where he says that cold neutrinos aaric neutrinos a back background neutrinos are a model of gravity that's compliant with the standard model and and so if you are going to put waves through these this condensate you you have low and high frequency so yes that just that that theory that you're bringing just sounds exactly the same to me as like ether Theory and and scalar and gravity waves per you know per I can't say the word what uh you know just longitudinal waves Through The Ether basically I mean you look at the latest work by shishkin he's referring to Elementary LC dipoles which are the quintessence which are The Ether ether and that a vast number of these uh make up uh electronic vortices and a vast number of those make up low enery medium energy and high energy solons and these are exotic vacuum objects so you bridge all of these things together and an LC dipole is an inductor pass to dipole and if you have that in a certain configuration that itself will have an anapole moment and that itself is a a substructure of a thidal moment so The Ether builds electronic vortices which are electrons and electrons uh build exotic vacuum objects and and so you you've got the the whole spread there and and and they verified the claims of Ken shoulders and then clusters of those build up to uh uh B lightning like and other type of self-organized plasma structures and so yeah I have a couple of specific points on uh that I can comment on his uh uh interview with you um oh okay yeah so I mean first first up is the the I criticized the original work that he was doing shortly after it was initially announced because he was he was using a magnetic sled to pick up these particles and we know that cavitation and we know that normal atmospheric plasma events including uh meteor meteoritic events can produce these iron-rich spheres that can be picked up with a magnetic uh uh sled but also ball lightning which he uh you had a discussion about ball lightning you also mentioned lightning how does lightning form well Ken shoulders and I agree with this suggested that all lightning is initiated by ball lightning and the ball lightning then travels from the low potential to the high potential whether that's Cloud to ground ground to cloud or Cloud to cloud and it produces the ionization stream I've added to that where if it gets more and more matter inside it it splits and does a branch and those are the branches you see and then what happens when you actually get to the full ionized Channel you then have a discharge and there's this very famous video by the the um high-speed camera guys where they go up on to the boat in Singapore and they take a picture and they they see that the the the trace coming down just like Ken shers had observed when it touches the ground you then see a flash up and I believe that is the ball lightning releasing the matter inside it and it because they're positive irons they shoot back up the channel and then you get multiple discharges of negativity going through uh to discharge the potentials between the low to the high let's let's slow it down for some of my I don't think half my audience probably isn't to that point yet but they are working their way up to it I've taught them that evos means exotic vacuum objects basically means ballve cold plasma non equilibrium plasma I've shown a lot of videos of some of these tiny versions of these plasmas with like laser beams where people can just set it up in their like house and garage but Ken shoulders presumably was much more advanced than that I mean he was father of micro or was micro Electronics but I don't the father of micro Electronics yeah he actually went to MIT I think three or four years and said look I we can make these semiconductors really really small and they said ah no one's going to want that and then three or four years later they go oh can you come back in again and talk about your ideas to make microelectronics so he's credited let's talk about let's talk about cold fusion then because he basically said that everybody out there is not doing it right but Larry forsley you mentioned I was trying to find the doc the paper I don't know there's like a a couple good ones out there that you guys can find if you just Google Larry forsley and Lis can find Fusion that's it's just another rebranding of cold fusion as well it's a rebranding in my view to distract people from the fact that you can do this in cavitation and imp plasmas if they get get everyone focused on doing it in a solid metal state that they can't find these more exotic things that lead to these propulsion Technologies the communication technology Etc and I just found it really weird that I actually confronted in in Boulder Colorado Larry forsley and said look why aren't you just saying that you you're seeing these neutrons which I don't believe are real neutrons and you're not considering the work of Kenneth Radford shoulders and it's just weird that he's come round to now working with Hal POF who s set Kenneth Radford shoulders to investigate and come up with EVO you know it's all a big game right like yeah they're hiding if they're hiding Evo technology that is free energy potentially and transmutation so we're straight up like just one degree of freedom from Star Trek replicators and it's also it's also ion as you saw on the NASA's website with Richard EST es like I saw with MH370 getting Zapped Away by three of these orbs being jammed together it's like okay well now I'm seeing the destructive power of this and now I realize oh crap this is what UFO disclosure is all about it's not about aliens although aliens is cool don't get me wrong aliens is cool it's great but this technology is what is the real and I think you made an amazing point you said I think this is all tied up with nuclear techn technology and I agree and let me tell you this so if you have the light yeah so the ball lightning right is producing these iron rich crenelated spheres so there's natural ways that this can be produced but what came out of your interview which I was not aware of before is that he says that they have burum lanthanum and uranium in some of these spheres right so you have iron rich crenelated spheres or iron rich spheres that is how they recovered them by using a magnetic sled but additionally they found brillium lanthanum and uranium now what does that tell you that tells me that this is Fallout from Pacific nuclear testing why because uranium was used in Castle Bravo the world the US's largest nuclear test brillium is used as a neutron reflector to maximize the yield brillium and alanm are used as a neutron Source although it wasn't the neutron Source in the trigger in Castle Bravo it was polonium a and burum and you get a higher yield from that than than using lanthanum and burum but lanthanum is a fishing product for the secondary fuel that was in The Castle Bravo test and obviously some of the other tests that were conducted in the Marshall Islands and Noe teac atal included these specific elements and this is utterly beautiful because I gave a presentation yesterday on the uh significance of of the Castle Bravo test that it might its extra yield might have come from actual cold fusion processes going on in the Magneto hydrodynamics in the plasma plume which you can see on tactical nuclear weapons and to find burum lanthanum and uranium in magnetic spher rals in Fallout with the Fallout spread 4,000 miles and it's only 12200 miles from the Marshall Islands to where he was doing his pickup so it's clearly within the Fallout Zone those in me ask on that for because here if I'm going to be critical too even though ab's one of my Idols before I dug into all this and started doing this talking people like you and him and what have you is my criticism of him is that he's still think too Normy in terms of like oh well we can't go faster than light so maybe the aliens hitch the ride on this meteorite which to me just seems absurd because like I'm like well I can make a warp drive why do I give a about a meteor right it's just like a rock floating through the sky that's the most mundane thing ever and then to your point too it's like oh well you know picking up the meteorite samples like this is this is very similar to these things dripping stuff down that people pick up which is neat but they can come from a lot how are you going to prove anything based on the meteor to your point you are my Engineer Expert chemist you know engineer here that's looking at the chemical composition and you're going well yes but like nuclear and you know Zer Point Energy cold fusion stuff is very similar in terms of the output and it's producing Fusion so how are you ever going to really prove one thing or the other it's interesting because he's looking for normal mundane oams razor simple explanations for observations and then he's bated his brain to not see that 1200 miles away there were tests that con were conducted that had Fallout that went 4,000 miles right where these elements were used in those blasts and on a separate on on the propulsion things he's think you have to have things come here you don't you can send a plasma drone or or even a non-charged uh uh uh dense matter uh object here and you can use this uh non- electromagnetic wave communication method to both receive information from other sentient entities and send it back moreover he's talking about physical seeding in in your conversation with him like this whole trans spermia idea you didn't use the phrase but it's kind of like people or things came here and they they gave the information the interesting thing about DNA is it's actually a wheel within a wheel within a wheel within a wheel it's actually a coil within a coil within a coil within a coil it produces thidal moment and the Luke Mania found that he could record signals coming out of the AIDS virus send those over to another lab and rebuild the AIDS virus using the signals if that's true locally using an electromagnetic recorded signal in the into into the intervening space if you cut out the electromagnetics and you go straight for the for the uh Scala and Vector potential communication through the the the uh um condensate of Relic neutrinos you do not need to travel to another uh uh planet in in a Sol solar system which has planets in the habitable zone you just need to get them in the habitable zone long enough to receive this information field and it will self assemble into life the universe wants to build life everywhere and you don't have to go and deliver it yeah so that's a beautiful line Bob I appreciate that so I want to ask you one more topic too is uh going back to Cold Fusion because that's really where your expertise is at and I'm just going to keep calling cold fusion by the way I appreciate you call it Leonard but I'm just going to call it cold fusion uh is cold ng8 are you what's your what's your opinion let's get your honest un unabashed opinion of ng8 do you think I mean I've listened to the investor calls I saw you on them on some of the open sharing calls what have you I saw Brian Josephson I think on one of them as well right guy inventor of the Joseph Junction exactly I've I've heard a lot about I had my own personal private call with them as well I think they wanted me to come out I don't know if I'm gon to be able to make it happen but um I essentially their argument is they're not producing heat they're producing excess over Unity electricity 3x to 5x like a how do you do that from a ball of plasma like just just not like the Deep dive but just basic for give us an analogy and then do you really think they're doing it do you think the way they're doing it yes I do yes I do so um Jean Paul babarian has verified at least the energy cell the work that they're doing within their plasma Vortex flow is essentially an extension of anat kof's work or rather it's a version of it I don't even know whether it's an extension I I actually discussed this also on the Martin Flashman Memorial projects YouTube channel last night I showed a prior reactor by anatol kimoff and it has a Tesla coil and this came about through work with kin shoulders uh in the ,000 volt high frequency discharge Zone he then has an argon swirl coming in and inside the Argon swirl he has an ejector of uh dry Steam and then that goes through and that produces a cop of 0.5 to 75 or8 or n if you do not include the swirl if you just have a lam and a flow you don't get any excess heat if you introduce the vortex you get multi-axis Shear you got Shear along the tube rolling like that and you got Shear around the tube that starts producing self-organized clusters okay so that is what they've got in the engate as well as the anatol kimoff work in addition to that anat kimoff I I worked something out in 2018 I managed to get him to admit it a couple of years later he was using uh High Neutron cross-section materials like lithium like gadolinium like Cobalt or whatever indium in his secondary material and with the swirl you get up to two Coop but when you have a secondary material in there you get from two to 10 cop and they've had it actually uses fuel now you're saying well where are you getting the electrons form go and look at the recent publication that I translated of Alexander shishkin who with with duic and corals were were able to uh prove that Ken shoulders was right but how it is is any critical impact on matter whether that's a hitting it with a hammer sufficiently hard enough using a shock pulse in a pressure wave using electrical constriction pulse you put electron electricity through something and it goes like that because of the magnetic pinch effect if anything that produces sufficient shock like cavitation on matter if it's over a certain energy critical threshold it will break it into the nucleo electrons and a Solon of Relic neutrinos and this Solon of Relic neutrinos is an EVO and the Evo contains up to uh uh 10 to the 11 electrons when you break that Evo up so you can convert hidden energy within matter into actual physical electrons so you think that you think they're doing over they are going to be doing overunity you think it's real for them you think they're gonna be one of the ones yes and and I think it's the same process going on in Malcolm Bendle system because you've got hydrodynamic shear and plasma uh and this I think we'll find that most of low nuclear reactions is a completely unexpected mechanism and I believe that that is part of the cause of the massive over uh yield in Castle Bravo which basically the Americans said oh God we can't do this again well Bob thank you for coming brother I appreciate it I got Jeremy up here next this was a great conversation I know it was short but I'll have you back on hard TRS in the future and we can talk all about plasma aliens whatever you are doing an utterly fantastic job full respect to you what you've shown is that someone says that like an expert can become an expert relative to anyone else in about 200 hours of study you've clearly put thousands of hours of study in fantastic I'd like people to come and see my blog at remoteviews out there have him join now I didn't realize we could have M could have three people I don't know maybe we should just see maybe everybody could have been up here the whole time and I was I'll stay quiet because Jem's obviously yeah I'll kind of drop you down then we maybe if you want to I mean I know it's late for you so that's why I wanted to start with you first so if you want to go to sleep whatever but I actually had four hours sleep in the evening to make it work okay well thanks Bob uh I'll bring you back up here after we talk to Jeremy a little bit if you're still around okay wow first time Jeremy Reese oneon-one uh thank you man for just in general being out there having a voice in the community thank you for being in my chat and help living it up um you know I think that you and I are aligned in a way that there's not really many other people talking about science of UFOs and what have you and and researching whether or not you're a skeptic or a Believer the strange thing is the mainstream narrative is being controlled by like just a few people who who dominate the conversation and say that they have the best insiders and the best leaks um but right now they've got egg all over their face and um a lot of people are coming in our way um and realizing the game that's been played with you know the whole setup of Arrow um that Arrow was set up to fail set up to be the wrong type type of uh investigation to begin with we have Lando's book imminent which is supposed you know the first thing I think of when I hear imminent is threat so it's you know CIA DOD threat narrative being forwarded to the public um the physics in his book about how the UFOs operate we know are wrong um because we've researched the physics um they promised along with Hal put off to to release a spaceship you know five years ago with ttsa I know personally investors that lost millions of dollars investing in that scam um techn scam and now he's back selling books and taking back control of the UFO narrative to put false fake physics out there which then people like Sabina see that crap and they debunk this and they say this is all nonsense um these people have no idea what they're talking about but today we're going to we're going to get into the real stuff because finally um we've breached the mainstream with s PS going on Jesse Michaels and that finally getting out to um some bigger audiences in this UFO Community where it's now we're now contesting with these main players who seem to have taken over uh lofy and and Poison the Well um for that a lot of people drink out of you know and I noticed that you know your views on your videos usually breaking a thousand views easily just streaming by yourself but for some reason when you're having all these scientists on your show to talk about real physics and stuff uh now you're only reaching like seven you have 700 people watching on your Channel right now nobody really likes the science you know like when I do posts on Twitter and social media the stuff that's just like drama with no substance and sometimes even not 100% correct like it gets the most views if I post something like hey here's this dope scientific paper that explains like anti-gravity it's like right nothing you know like people interested go ahead one of the things we've learned right in the last five years is I think I want to point out and bring it to the attention first is that we we're showed this piece of what was allegedly a UFO and it's this piece of bismuth and magnesium bilayered material um we studied that at our lab with the sems and everything and looked at it I come to the conclusion it's most likely this slag from the betterton coal process that some of the Skeptics originally identified it as the problem with this bismuth magnesium layer metam material uh being the kind of um machine that produces this free energy anti-gravity kind of effect is it doesn't possess any of the physics that we now know are crucial to producing these effects like mainly as salp talked about Paso electricity so there should be a layer of a pazo electric material inside that um skin coating if that is the real stuff but we weren't given the real stuff it's we were given something that looks like the real stuff but isn't the real stuff it's kind of put out there to kind I think to throw off um you tested some right who gave you the stuff that you tested uh I cannot disclose The Source but we do we have a lot of scientists in our community and U those people a lot of them are old you know a lot of people worked on this these projects uh in their Heyday back in the you know 40s 50s 60s and 70s and they're all 90 80 you know they're dropping like flies so when they die a lot of their um relatives will contact us on the team and say Hey you know I don't know what to do with all this science junk and it's just go on the market and you guys could probably put it to much better use and uh so we'll go there and buy out all the all and and do cleanouts for all these people you know scientists when they pass away and one of those scientists that passed away knew Linda Molton how and H put off and got a piece of that that's how we yeah okay this is the thing where it's like very similar to what Bob just said about Avi is like oh they're they're pulling up like these balls of metal off the ground so what is that that how's that going to move the needle you know I got most it moves the needle a millimeter like a tiny little shred but it's so easy to be like oh okay well these things happen for all these different reasons and like okay even if this is some alien material what's it doing it's not doing anything special like you just gave me a little shred of some thing that you say is Al material but I'm looking for a flying saucer or something that's like more substantial in general so it seems like um that's kind of a big flaw like they're not maybe looking bigger this what I wanted to ask you because I think your somebody that looks at more of like okay if there's UFOs flying around out here there's something big that we're missing there's a big cover up at play and there's big areas of physics that are being covered up by people who are in the know that must know be know about the physics you know Abby mentioned something that was interesting he said you know there might be traces of alien garbage out there or you know here on Earth that crashed here on Earth a long time ago um and I I've always thought you know like what if there was Star Wars some a long time ago in a galaxy see far far away that that stuff's got to be floating through space doesn't it fall from Earth to Earth from time to time I mean there's got to be stuff out there if we're not we're not alone right so um one of the things that I thought is very interesting I wish you'd brought up with Abby right when he mentioned that was the origin of carbonado diamonds carbonado diamonds if you look up carbonado they're black diamonds and they only appear in like two places in the world and the geology where they appear just doesn't make sense they look like it was and you know at carbonados they have a 11 on the Mo's hardness scale so it's even harder than regular Diamond so if you're going to build an indestructible alien spacecraft this is a excellent choice for that type of material um and there's currently if you look up carbon Auto diamonds there's extraterrestrial hypothesis for their origin and many scientists consider it maybe they're ancient meteors or something that fell from space but why carbonado why you know anyways uh the carbonado uh thing is is um no it's it's a d not t carbon do you do you communicate with Sabine helded her I mean I've made a video but she's I think too uh too big for me I do um communicate with um you know the winin Steen you know I've been on I know both Brett and Eric um I've been on you know Brett's show so I I do send Eric stuff you know what I mean what are your opinion on those guys in terms of this UFO physics and phenomenon in general I mean saine I can I don't I can already tell because she loves to give her opinion my opinion of her is she loves be contrarian and everybody loves be a cynic and that's part of the problem but well what are your thoughts on the other guys or go ahead any of them Eric's had some good insights that led to some interesting you know things with the the you know and like the Solomon left stuff and and the whole Origins hypothesis for when if these people Poison the Well in physics for like Generations ago when did that happen and I I I think it happened around the Batel Ren contz and it was definitely dit and and wheeler that were responsible um and also Whitten the whittens Lewis Whitten you know W Ed Whitten the grandfather of string theory and like the smartest the guy that Eric Weinstein's afraid of in physics is literally the um his father was hired by Glenn L Martin company to work on early drone programs in the 40s and also um anti-gravity programs that lasted through the 50 so so you look at that and all that evidence the rias thing that he sent me down a rabbit hole with the uh Research Institute for advanced science I interviewed the last surviving member of rias a week before he passed away um on Ras uh rias was a group that was remotely connected with uh Solon leits and the and the like came out of Brown University they I like that you know all the background on all of this like you know this history when you were doing like that's probably your biggest strength I don't know if anyone's everever told you that though is that like when you were doing interviews with people like I don't know you realize but like guaranteed people that you're talking to about some I have no idea what you're talking about but it's important to know because that's what people don't realize is that you can understand the physics you can understand the engineering or not understand those but understanding the history of all the and where did this all come from because this isn't just like someone figured this out five years ago and they've been hiding for the last five years like no this is got like a long 10e history about it so like that's you know that's a big big like value in terms of that so you're saying then in terms of when they've been going how far back do you really think this go like are we talking 40s 20s do you think are you think the Chapel Hill conference with you know feeman Richard feeman the world's top theoretical physicist you know recruited out of Princeton to go work on the Manhattan Project um before he even finished his PhD you know went back and finished afterward um his fan of course his his thesis advisor he studied under his you know doctoral advisor was um John archal Wheeler so um fan attends the Chapel Hill conference under the pseudonym Mr Smith you know so that's super secret that they don't even want anyone to know that he's attending and then um 10 years later is was the Batel Ren contres when um they published this basically the they published like the to of everything we know about theoretical physics up until now and it was it kind of set the whole stance for all the theoretical physics that that pretty much came after and stuff so a lot of that a lot of that you know the early string theory and and it was born out of all that mess and um it was used to cover up um a lot of these hidden Technologies so when we talk about hidden Technologies let's talk about strange Metals For example like superconductors are strange enough they're they're weird enough but what happens if you take a a sheet of superconductor material like ycb and you perforate a whole bunch of holes in it like swiss cheese well it becomes what's called a strange metal and it's topologically equivalent to an extremal black hole really yeah so pretty cool this seems pretty useful I don't know for what but put that on my craft something that on on the surface of your craft and then and then you pump it with with these uh with this Paso Electric I think it might it's some kind of combination of these two things it may not be all that you know so so simple but we're getting closer to how this stuff actually operates and the physics of it um yeah I want to show you something real quick and then I want to come back to the piso electric things I want to I I want to talk to you about disclosure in general and I just heard this clip actually praise the kohart I didn't think I'd be praising him today but um saw this clip of him uh talking to this guy I'd never heard of before but he's talking about the idea of Zero Point Energy and he gives in my opinion plausible explanation for why people are hiding it here we go economy is based on natural resources oil being a prime example it's like hydraulic despotism the value of an economy is based on your ability to acquire a particular thing what if at some have speculated uh technology existed to recruit energy right out of the ambient surrounding environment we yes well okay so Zero Point Energy if you have Zero Point Energy what is the basis for the global economy everything of value instantly disappears so now you have this war for control of that technology so for one thing it would fundamentally destabilize the economy entire of the entire world that's a thing now we have nuclear weapons already we have foreign adversaries that have Hypersonic weapons and we're supposedly behind them that's not the case we all have Hypersonic weapons okay now imagine a weapon that can fire device so fast you can't even measure it by the standard concept of acceleration of a solid rocket fuel-based weapon if you could fire and you talked about my faith there are people who have very radical views of this world and God who want to wipe their enemies off the face of the Earth would you want to put a propulsion system in the hands of those people if they could with the touch of a button annihilate massive numbers of people so as I said there are people I think that want to not disclose for reasons that they feel are nobling good so that's part one there's a very short part two but part one is my interpretation of everything I've learned is that it's not black and white there people people that are hiding this think they're doing it for the right reasons in their mind like that guy just said free energy what would happen if we actually have free energy so they come up with this imaginary physics you know String Theory the same thing would happen um and they were ahead take over for just one second I'm G I'll be right back yeah so yeah the cold even cold fusion for example um and then Abby you know talked about this idea of negative energy you know and the whole idea that you need need to produce this negative energy to you know create a lot of this exotic Technologies and and um one of the ways that you can produce these negative energy states is if you look up uh exiton polariton condensate negative energies you'll find some articles I posted the links in the description on on my channel and my video people say alien scientists they can find all that um but it's this is this is like how we produce negative energy is with these squeeze vacuum states which you know I'm setting this up hopefully for Michael if I hope he's watching he hasn't joined in the background yet he joins I'm actually just GNA bring him right up so if he's out there watching you know what I can grab my phone and call him I didn't realize I wasn't limited it's fine uh you kind of you want but otherwise it's fine he'll join in a few minutes hope I have more stuff I want to ask you about too but I want to play the second half I want to give you a chance to you know sound off because here's the truth too you know I'll tell you the truth is that when I started I was like I don't know about this guy like you know you were making claims you were calling people out I was like why is he calling people out I was trying to get I give everybody an even chance you know a lot of people ignored me didn't want to interact with me other people wanted to reach out and interact I started to learn kind of just my own research into it and kind of realized like no this Jeremy guy's right about these people there these people out there have a narrative and that's what was like the first half of it was what that guy just said In that clip where he's like there's something bigger at stake here than just aliens like this technology is so such a GameChanger that you can imagine why people would want to hide it so now we have a motive like okay this is why someone would hide it and then the question is okay well what what are they gonna say if they're hiding it and this is part two of that and I want to get your opinion on this clip I called this but you could also disclose yes we've been in communication with non-human intelligence yes there are multiple species out there that fact in and of itself is not going to create doomsday weapons and it's not going to destabilize the economy it's it's going to cause the maturing of an entire people and maybe we'll get to a point in history where instead of being adversarial we realize because we're part of a much bigger Universe maybe we need to resolve some of our historical conflicts and start thinking about our place in the universe not just our place in the world not our country and our government versus this country and this government but how are we as a species being evaluated by other species yeah so I can I can see it now now it all makes sense there's and Aliens Exist because aliens aren't a national security issue there's no that's what they're allowed to say and in their minds this is what they're thinking that guy just said it he just said they're thinking oh we're gonna like wake up and have some sort of like spiritual Epiphany as a species and all of a sudden like become vegan hippies and love one another and like war is going to go away like I gotta be honest I that seems like extremely naive to me that if that's really why they're hiding it's like okay just give us the damn technology we're never going to change what do you think I think that they slow down the progression of Technology you know routinely in order to maintain their control over everything that that they're that's all they're about is controlling everything in society and so I think that if they view all this disruptive technology is is just being too um too crazy for for them to really get out so yeah I don't I don't know um it it definitely shows you when you start seeing what's put out there and what gets 500,000 views a million views um it's is generally the misinformation and the disinformation uh it's very obvious their ability and their power to suppress real information and and real uh research and you know like well let's pack some more let's pack some more in there so you just said negative energy so I had a clip I'm not going to play it because we're just short on time but like Eric Davis is multiple times said like this is how we can produce negative energy in a lab we produce negative energy in a lab and then I got some PhD academic physicist on Lex Friedman saying it's it's made up like it's imaginary exotic substance so can we produce negative energy or not Jeremy what do you think what's your give me a spicy with polariton condensate exiton polariton condensate which is basically I mean you can look this up on AI and ask AI how do I make a polariton condensate metam material and how do I you know pump it with energy um and the idea is that if we get this pumping you know with the pzo electric pump on one end that you can break the swinger limit and create these uh you know create these exotic vacuum States and and on the whole surface of the craft and then what happens yeah there's some weird physics and you know I think sfa's actually done a good job of explaining this it's that K in the whole G mu new equals you know what does K mean for the rest of us in the chat what does that stand for I don't know all my equations so if you look up general relativity is it a constant you get this equation of this uh this G muu and uh G muu Plus gamma G mu new equals K T mu new and that K is the thing that you can control the whole universe by changing and altering and you do that with these metam materials and polariton condensates and negative energy states apparently so so do you agree but we're we're figuring it out and I you know I've got people working with me who are able to do the experiments and hopefully there's people watching that can you know you don't look into this stuff and read the papers and and then hopefully respond to that and show us why we're wrong that would be great for Sabina to do an anti-gravity video that covers this stuff instead of you know Eric Weinstein's geometric Unity Theory and another thing is that she gets views but there's a the thing that gets views is when you like debunk people and you put them down and you are like cynical like that's what gets views because it's entertainment and a lot of what she does I find is mostly entertainment it's you know I can't tell you like stuff you know she was doing good on a couple videos there and she was doing so good on a lot of the gravity stuff that she was and stuff too but we're definitely um we're definitely influencing her like all of a sudden she's doing stuff about cold fusion and ether and gravity like out of nowhere like no it's you know we're influencing them and that's I think it's important because I think in some of their cases they're going to have a lot of ontological shock when they find out there really is UFO stuff which means there is some way to manipulate gravity whatever that is out there um and they're going to just you know like a lot of people going Wonder like man how is this all hidden how did I not see it how did I not find it you know so I think it helps to you know get them thinking about it and I consider it a win when one of her videos doesn't have like a whole um can't really debunk it but basically just says like oh we just don't we don't like it because it's not as simple as our exist exting Theory or something like or it disagrees with everything we know about the physics so far and or something like that yeah yes yeah exactly there's a lot of anomalies out there that you know as Bob Greener pointed out on the last your last guest um Memorial project people definitely go to that channel And subscribe to that channel uh out there um guys yeah he's done a great job of explaining you know some of the anomalies with the super cavitation bubbles the of course the Palladium lattice stuff is old news I mean we were we were talking about the uh the cavities and and the and the structures of the the cathodes and and stuff back in 2014 at iccf with Larry forsley so um we knew about a lot of this stuff but it's it's really it's really nuanced and it's taken us quite a while to develop and then they realized that oh there there's these three mechanisms that can work to produce cold fusion and if you do all three at once then you get really Rocky and uh it's the the super cavitation the torsion and the the compression so that's interesting that's pretty much what salvator pis is uh called Fusion patent is doing as well and when I saw that I didn't know what it was at first you guys probably knew earlier but um yeah it doesn't make me wonder like is Fusion just being like suppressed in general I mean if you know you've got hot fusions produce nothing nothing at all and just looking at from a simple standpoint you go okay they're basically just trying to heat up energize this plasma put more energy into it and then things should fuse that's basically our approach but wouldn't somebody think like oh could we manipulate gravity so like of course we don't think that because we don't think we can manipulate gravity but like if you could manipulate gravity Crea a gravitational well would be like much more efficient in my opinion if you want things to come together especially if I look at like a black hole or something like the edges of the black hole and what's going on around it so I just surprised people haven't thought I guess I have go ahead it's easier said than done as I said but uh one of the things they tried is replacing the electrons with muons because muons are just the same charge but a little bit heavier and uh so they actually if you got two muons on your outer shell then you actually get a lot closer to each other and so they there's a whole thing called muon catalyzed Fusion but even all those it's like even when I before I learned it doesn't mean just my bias I'm biased towards evos but when I learned like oh we're just putting like metal in heavy water and like running a current through it I was like this doesn't seem like the most efficient way and then when I saw like evos and the plasmas I'm like oh wait that seems like a much more like direct to the source natural way and I don't know maybe in the end of the day that won't end up being true but like also the other thing I want to point out is that and then I call it like the ponds and fman approach and then there's the muon and you know catalyze there's several other different variant but I think there a lot of them are based around the same idea concepts of like you know you have some solid metal interacting with like heavy water and then you're getting this like excess heat energy it's phonon modes is the main concept is the idea that you know there's photons which is light you know cuscal in the in The Ether and then inside of materials like your Palladium lattice or your hydrogen crystal inside of your Palladium lattice that lines up inside there you have these modes uh vibrations and if you bounce those modes the right way with the right kind of energy you get you know these these sort of States so um one model was the you know Edmund stor Edward storms or Edmund Storm's uh model there with the hydron um idea of of a chain you know you get a chain just a simple ond chain of hydrogen atoms and and some of the phonon modes that can appear in there and that you can with those compression mod get these uh atoms close enough to fuse without the temperature and pressure of uh the star you know and the takach reactors and all that nonsense well actually in in recent years actually Edmund storms who we've worked with off and on uh he's decided that probably actually evos do explain cold fusion as well and uh Mike mcub who probably received the most funding in cold fusion has also suggested that maybe evos are the way to do it and what thing people don't understand is Ken Scher says that probably cold fusion uh is the same in the case of pond and Fishman because what happens is you get hydrogen in there and then it can cause a crack and when you have a crack you have a shock and the shock can create the evos and the evos start the process what most people don't know is that prior to the announcement in 1979 Pon and Flashman had actually witnessed a what they what what is called The Singularity event for them they had a 1cc cube of Palladium it had been loading with um uh the dyum oxide but no one talks about the fact fact that they had lithium dutter oxide in there as well as an electrolyte but anyway forget that um they had this nothing going on so I think the sun was asked of one of them was to go in and turn the electrostatic pressure down turned the voltage down and what happened was it caused an event which they witnessed the aftermath of when they came in after the weekend all of the water had gone the glass wear had gone it had gone through the the workbench and taken out a fists siiz chunk of concrete and there was these suspension of particles in the air that were so small that they weren't beholden to gravity they they just move around with Brownie and motion and they get suspended in the air and that scared them so much and I think that's part that stor was not known to everyone um and I think that scared them so much and I think people that knew about that knew that they had actually discovered something that was actually real fusion and what has never been discussed about this is the fact that they had lithium in play and lithium is a key uh um element in uh Fusion bombs wow yeah and so it makes me wonder if people like Larry forsley like you guys both met him so you think he's covered I mean Bob already gave his opinion he said that he well I I I can be spec more specific Ken shoulders in his 2010 interview said this group down in spaar which Larry forsley along with pan mosia boss was leading that work they uh said they were observing neutrons and they had these triple tracks in cr39 detectors it's actually the same material that glasses are made from and the neutrons come in and they interact with the plastic they damage it and then you etch it and you see these tracks um they were saying they were from neutrons but they can also be formed by evos and so um they're saying they're seeing neutrons but they don't even know how to detect neutrons and if you go and look at their nature paper where they're talking about this work done at Nasa they aren't using bubble detectors or indium activation they're using other types of detectors that are known to be fooled by these type of radiations the brmr and then hagelstein was talking about this at MIT 10 years ago with the reverse breemer along radiation being the explanation for why you don't see the high energy gamas why ponds and flashmen didn't die from their experiment in the lab I mean in in his case what he's talking about is you you are having a energy downshifting in the ltis so the gamma um is able to be dissipated within the latice so the energy comes out as thermal phonons and photons rather than or phonons and thermal photons uh rather than as gamma ray and and certainly I would agree that some of that is is going on yeah I think that's what's responsible for this heat after death phenomenon that's been experienced well the heat after death can be explained by uh Plasma torid plasmoids in the form o of exotic vacuum objects and these have been observed by MOS Moscow Nuclear Physics Institute bogdanovich atal as existing in waterf flow plasma discharges for up to two days after the experiment is over and also John Dash saw these continuous transmutations and John huderson to a degree saw uh continuous changing of materials and so the these plasmoids have been caught on video moving around and glowing on a piece of metal and that is it breaks people's brains because they think if something's emitting light it's able to travel around it's toroidal in nature and is existing outside of the experiment in free air for two days how is this even possible well how it's possible is it has a higher binding energy than normal ordinary matter and on the boundary it's able to interact with matter capture it and transmute it and that provides an energy source there are other means by which you can gain energy as well and so heat after death could easily be these um processes going on and if you look at Ura who's leading the uh clean energy in Japan and his running the conference this year uh in iccf 27 26 26 in Japan they have a system that they are moving towards commercialization but if you look at their electrodes their Palladium electrodes they actually see oh sorry nickel nickel or whatever it is they they particular electrodes they have these circular spots where they see an increase in oxygen and oxygen is one of the elements that is more produced by this process than any other element in the periodic table and I believe that's why we have nearly 50% of the Earth crust as oxygen I mean a lot of this guys is a normal guy I gotta be honest a lot of this stuff seems like everybody's like yeah there's this magic technology magic Fusion out there you know that can produce overunity but we're all just like arguing over the specifics of how it works or who works the best like that's what it looks like from the outside perspective looking in and it also just looks like object I mean you know plainly that we covered up cold fusion then broke it into pieces because it's it's torn husk into pieces and decided like sorry you're not allowed to have it in 1989 you got to wait another 30 years and then we'll consider 40 years and we'll consider it again I think it's I think it is actually because it's closer to actually how nuclear bombs get their yield it it's it's like it the the process of a nuclear bomb produces a lot of charge separated material and it produces a lot of turbulence when you have charge separated material and turbulence you get self-organization of plasma into magnetic Islands which is what people will accept in a normal toac but these are problems in a toac they go to extreme lengths to avoid magnetic islands and then what you get when you get these magnetic Islands these things drift out they they go on their own way and they end up by damaging the walls of the reactor and they call things what's called unipolar arcs and they see these kind of transmutations going on in there so it is I think cold fusion processes that are going on in hot Fusion bombs and reactors and uh then I guess what was my fault I had oh uh hey Michael hey Michael's here hey how's it going Michael welcome up to the party and uh okay I guess we'll just kind of switch gears here a little bit but so Michael said in the email I'm just going to out you but I'm gonna let you speak for yourself that he didn't believe in Bob's evos when he first started all this but now it's kind of come around I want to also say that I didn't really believe in all of this at first either if you before I spoke to Bob and even when s was talking to me about like intelligent plasma was the first time we spoke I just thought this stuff was so far out there I thought it was more out there than aliens that were and The more I've looked into it more like no actually this is all like really legit and the more you to Ken shoulders you're like he's unimpeachable in terms of his intelligence and his engineering capabilities so anyway um Michael welcome to the show brother thank you very much for coming on with me I know we've been long overdue in ch how you doing tonight yeah it's been we we've been wanting to talk for a while I guess yeah yeah no I've been wanting to talk to yeah all the smart smart people out there you know I just got done with Obi lobe and that was like me reaching for the stars I mean for me he's somebody I've seen and what I love about him is that he's thinking outside the box like even even though he's put himself inside this very narrow box of conventional physics which I think is fine to do he's like oh well what if like even in that scenario like AI probes are like seeding life on planets out there somewhere else you know it's it's smart so I like it yeah well I mean that's where uh Jeremy was talking about carbonado diamonds we we suspect there may have been a terraforming probe that was sent to Earth at some point with the gene for blue green algae or something like it um so we'd like to get uh some uh Gene sequences of various blue green algae species to analyze for Gene drives and encoded data um but yeah I mean it's interesting stuff I mean there's uh I mean they call other carbon AOS carbonado in other locations when they're highly included this is something else these are um extra solar diamonds that were deposited and um they're located with another uh mineral uh banite which is in uh B Brazil um and that mineral to my knowledge doesn't form Elsewhere on Earth but it's made of common materials like aluminum and antimony so it's unusual that you'd see a mineral like that this aluminum antim are both fairly common minerals it's it's unusual that we don't see this anywhere else on Earth um and there's like they say it's hydrothermal but there's not that much hydrothermal activity to explain it I think in that region of Brazil although well I I shouldn't say that exactly because there are lots of other uh veins of like different Minerals Copper Etc um there's m in Brazil which is uh all mines uh you know where it used to be um yeah B night we we were able to artificially produced this uh we think it was a concrete of some kind yeah the metam material stuff school is all the rage right now I guess so so let me jump in on that front which is I was listening to this podcast called I better say it right y nonconventional physics extended electrodynamics lattice confined fusion and uh yeah Zero Point Energy and in this is this this is old and out of date but um you know it's a it's a good starting point to get your to get the general gist of what's going on there the precise the equations are uh technically incorrect um but the intuition of it is right so the Math's not good but the intuition great guys it's yeah you know Skip through it get the gist of it this is gonna yeah um yeah but no this guy Richard andu I don't know if you guys know him but he was on there I really want to get back I want to talk to him again at some point he recently got an NSF grant for some of this stuff and you know what the thing he got craziest go ahead what uh I mean the recent grant that he got uh was look to look at the uh gauge fixed uh basically when the Lawrence gauge condition is broken is not zero uh you get the scaler field and so um I mean it's precisely well I suspect that the flux liner was doing that already in the 50s or 60s um but um with Mercury do you think they're making a plasma of it no unnecessary in that case uh I mentioned this actually the first time I went on Apec um I was a kind of incognito I wasn't even sure if I should be talking about this stuff at the time so I was using a uh uh different name and and like I didn't have my camera on and things but I was talking about a topological Tesla coil so this is where you take a Tesla coil uh and you um well bipolar Tesla coil you have like a center tap and then you have two capacitive top loads on each side what happens when you take that Tesla coil and you you you enclose one of the top loads in the other now you have this thing that in standard electrodynamics they don't say propagates into the far field but um now well you're you're maximizing the Divergence of a which is set to zero in the uh um in the Len gauge condition but if you if you don't set it to zero if you have this scale term then this uh this Divergence of a that this topological Tesla coil produces um it uh it should uh produce the this scalar uh interaction um and so um what they were doing probably with the flux liner is you have a capacitor on the bottom surface you just have a Tesla coil inside there driven by uh a um what do you call the Faraday disc motor um but then the Faraday disc motor is usually very low voltage so what do you do you attach an LC oscillator to it and you rapidly connect and disconnect to the disc and this produces extreme inductive spikes um and so and also acts as a gyro to stabilize things I suppose but anyway you get this topological Tesla coil structure and you have your uh most of your electric field most of your Divergence of a is concentrated around the bottom and so you get maybe a net for um that's the thing with the longitudinal waves they also imply a mass term so everyone's like oh well um there's H nothing in the vacuum so the mass term must be zero so these longitudinal modes must not exist so um but anyway um so but that that's a good point so are you there is mass because if you have these longitudinal modes you can think of them sorry halfway through my rant um uh so the S term is kind of like electrostatic well it's like a pressure in the super in the super fluid medium the S term is like a pressure in the superf fluid medium and that pressure is associated with electrostatic charges either positive or negative um and so um you have your electric fields and you have concentrations of charges which are virtual charges but now they're not on shell in the traditional uh quantum mechanical uh terminology they're still virtual particles sort of but you they're in this classical mode so they're sort of observable quasi observable I don't know if that's the word we should be using but then even though they're virtual particles the interaction is affected by their mass and so this is how you can have um a mass term attributed to these structures um it's very interesting stuff okay I could go on but I could go on that's a good explanation I appreciate it uh so basically they're able to fly guys they have anti-gravity capability but the Richard bandura guy in that interview everybody El yeah right sorry yes I went he's working on that now too so like David Chester and I we figured out this in this interaction a little bit ago right around the same time that he got the NSF prols I was like darn we could have we could have proposed that oh well another time well you'll get a you'll get a nobell at some point I'm sure no I don't need it um but Richard vank all of a sudden he's just like oh yeah we've got I'm working on these alien materials so basically I think he's talking about the same stuff that you guys I think you guys were testing which was the you know similar some slag or I don't know some metal basically that they think by humans there was yeah and he says that oh well it has to be alien because it's the certain isotope Ratio or isotope whatever number on it that means like we can tell it can have come from our solar system or something like that is that irrefutable or is there is there like a what's can you st Steelman the counterargument for like why that's not like definitive proof of it being alien in nature origin well so um I don't think I don't think in the he's talking about the Magnesium bismuth composite when he's talking about alien materials I don't think he's talking about the Magnesium bism we have we have some of the magnesium composite we've had people look at it um and my working hypothesis at the moment and we're working on getting the isotope ratios of that but we don't have them yet um actually it's quite interesting we tried Neutron activation and um we were not able to activate the material even though it contains bismuth which you should easily turn into polonium so that is weird we we exposed it to plutonium for a month and no radiation so that was that was deep weird so I don't know about that but um but in terms of the more do you think it is though how credible do you think his claims are when he's just randomly saying that he's it's it's it's not actionable about it it's not actionable so I uh I I choose I I don't decide one way or the other it's it's uh would be useless to uh like without further information make any conclusions yet uh but it's not actionable so it's not worth ENT maybe if someone else can think of some idea to make it actionable I would say pursue that but right now uh I've got plenty on my plate okay so let's I got another fun topic for everybody okay let's bring everyone back in sure there's somebody named George hathway out there and when I looked up their website George Hathway's website I find all these experiments for producing negative energy Casmir cavities like literally everything I had been looking into and I just go okay like my I have the spider sense starts going off when I like I'm over the target can I jump in I can tell you a bit about George so I've actually visited George George worked we both been lab I think right yeah I have yeah so um George and his father spent a lot of money supporting John Hutcherson in the early days in his disruption and lift system in fact he was there before the uh the prince of lichenstein stepped in and uh before um uh wait wait okay so I don't want to do too much on tangent but we gotta backin thing after this there's what just like just some country out there that I never heard of that's like there a small country lonstein I think one of his relatives got abducted by aliens and he wanted to find out what these bad how they work their craft anyway that's a whole Side Story says they're connected Nazis though we just spent a whole like 20 minut I think everyone in that region I yeah they had even by diplomatic means like you had to interact with them kind of at that time period at that time you do your thing on on Hutchinson here I'm Gonna Make You full screen mode for just like one minute go go for it so yeah I've actually analyzed some samples uh from uh that lab hathway Consulting I think it is uh something like that um and I have verified their observations in the 1980s and 90s uh in those samples and I've shared some of that work and it it's it's very very interesting there's many other samples I took incredible images of and they're all going to be in the book but anyway George hathway actually built the bloom line capacitor for producing the Exotic vacuum objects that were used in the tests by uh Ken shoulders I've seen that I shared a video of that you can see how to make the type of capacitor that is needed to study exotic vacuum objects uh he also built the original power supplies for the sapphire project and if you have seen some Sapphire project videos you will see how put off in the background in the lab with Montgomery Childs and other members of the sapphire project so these things are and people are all connected wait what okay so uh for the people that are relatively new here I mean for people that the uh the old frogs as I call them what you just said it's probably like old news but so I I also want to know where George hathway like he's just he's recreating Ken shoulders Evo experiment no no no no no George hathway built the bloom line capacitor for Ken shoulders as part of one of the experim four Ken shoulders and he also built the thing he actually has it I've SE I've seen the device and he built the power supplies the original Sapphire test okay who is George hathway really George connected everyone behind the scenes I every experiment he's got on his website is some crazy thing that like is got really credible people connected to and like his lab if I will say his lab is world class um bet he's he oh and he just has a world class lab this is like straight up Marvel super villain like plot story beginning actually he's a really down he has all analog he has all analog equipment so that he can trace back errors all the way and do the math out for everything so he doesn't it's not even digital equipment because if it's all analog equipment you can calculate out how the machine will behave under various conditions to test so so if it if it does something to digital equipment that's weird like digital equipment maybe isn't compatible with the longitudinal waves and things then if you you have to use analog equipment for that so he's got all this old 1950s stuff yeah I I have I have um I have the is incred up there it's it's it uses a paper readout like a you know it draws on the paper like a like a um earthquake detector thing like he he also has the mother of all Faraday cage rooms oh it's a best yeah I mean you can set set off an EMP in there and you don't see anything outside except propably the scal vector potential but uh yeah I want people realize like this not I'm not joking around here like this is really bizarre that this uh like website so this is his website and in his research you go to current projects and it's like anti-gravity by nuclear entropy okay anti-gravity by nuclear entropy okay uh C energy extraction from Casmir cavities now I'm going okay that's Garrett modal Bernard H that's them uh new polymer development now that's very we guys we just talked about Jeremy was just talking about this just a second ago uh I don't know what this multisensor is some of these things too are very vague in the way that they're list drop here but there was another one for p off I think can I just click research and go to the list okay yeah here we go because then you can go to the list and oh I went to the Past research as well I think there's the there's the capacitor on there oh the capacitor yeah there you go this one on top right yeah electr gravitic buoyancy experiments see oh yeah here we go squeez light and negative energy density Quantum States that's what the you know the paper that came out with uh like uh the government like the government like recommendations for generating negative energy that was part of that oh really that was I think so it just seems like you look at this and you're like man this one's P off right here this just even it says P off right in it but there's no results associated with any of these like should I expect there is that not weird like how does this guy make money is my first question actually kind of difficult I mean I went there I talked to him like um even though like the problem is like there's so little attention on these projects in the west now because they've been buried for so long that so many scientists don't even know about them and so when people in the government who don't know the science go to people that like scientists that they trust who were never trained in these things and the scientists then tell them oh this isn't real this isn't then then this these things actually don't get funding the funding they should so it's like Oppenheimer like uh you know like he set all this thing up for the Manhattan Project and then during the Red Scare they all like compartmentalized everything and then there was the Freedom of Information Act request so they made quasi governmental institutions to hide things inside companies and um but like that level of secrecy at this point people are not even being educated about this stuff so when decision makers have to make the decision to fund or not they assume it's BS because they talk to the scientist the scientist says I never heard of this and so um It's actually kind of can I put a contrast in there with what happens in Russia Dr samsonenko which is the head of physics at the second top biggest university in Moscow the University every single Thursday for decades now they've had basically an open Forum where you can go in and if you got some crazy electr magnetic system or a gravity system or transmutation system or plasma system you can give a presentation and I gave a presentation there in I think it was February 2015 and in the room there's you know all of these great scientists that worked on uh uh nuclear uh uh missiles and uh uh uh these incredible planes and there's Generals in the room in plain clothing and everything and they are taking these period people seriously they they don't have any kind of like uh you're not the right person or you're not the right qualifications or you're you you've not got the right uh people respecting you or whatever that they just listen and they absorb and they share ideas and they challenge and this is this is um I mean at this point over classification is a threat to our national security because it's causing us to fall behind because of this whole problem they've all we have to keep an open mind about these things and um yeah we we really need more funding and stuff like this let me point that goes to actually a good segue on this which is especially because you guys two people right now actually all three of you guys really are do experimental work and research and I think in my opinion again this is a guy looking outside in being critical you have no way to compete with the locked Martin people lab even the George hathway has a well-funded lab which must I'm not trying to kill people yeah but you're you're doing good things for sure but it's like I don't want to compete with them this is like the equivalent of like um you know for my job perspective working in healthcare I'm a lowly Healthcare it guy but the software I work with is just like if I were to imagine trying to do that on my own there's no way it'd be impossible even with a small lab group of people I could never do it I mean there's another there's a new Manhattan Project on it and we're we're we're like with the Germans used to be we're all disorganized and not coordinated and that's reason why it's like people demand results right even Avi was telling me he's like I want to see it I want to see the experiments and you guys are the guys going I want to show you the experiments too but it's like you guys get like a pittance and funding compared to what contractors get that pittance in funding makes you think very very efficiently what are the right things to work on and how what what minimum effort can I go to to achieve the outcome we're trying to do secondly you have access to the crowd and the crowd is a beautiful animal which has billions of real uh intelligence that you can uh um learn from and you can engage with and you've learned that yourself Ashton you learned so much from the crowd and that is excluded from these black projects it's just not there and if you look at what's in the news I on my stream just over a week ago immediately afterwards I saw these things popping up about deep seek so I immediately installed it it made a balls up of rephrasing something i' had written so I wasn't overly impressed on my very first test but it's still as good as many of the other models but it was produced with a unbelievably small fraction of the amount of money because they didn't have access to the tools and often you go into these big Labs they'll have all of this shiny equipment that looks impressive and it helps people want to support to fund them but the shiny equipment is not even used it's just there it's part of the pkin village of what's going on whereas you'll get Alexander park themov and he's literally making ground baking breaking uh Relic neutrino detection devices out of Sardine cans old chair legs and a pan lid oh um we got we got to talk at some point about The Relic nutrino stuff uh David Chester's new work suggests it's uh not quite neutrinos probably more likely Axion and Dillons but that's a whole other conversation for another time do Axion and D well Axion might be clustered as a relic neutrinos by the way it's one model of them but anyway um do they cause weak interactions the two things you quoted that is a good point um because we'll get into you know it's a neutrino like thing because a neutrino involves in weaker interactions and and for those people that don't know a weak interaction is taking an electron into a proton and enabling it to become a neutron or taking a neutron in nucleus and breaking it up into a proton electron so there's an electro we okay so I'll have to talk with David about that if it doesn't include those it's not a theory that you can consider for these it's a conversation for another time anyway I'll think about it yeah you guys are great though so let's let's uh I want to hear before we bring Bernie in um I want to brainstorm just for a second I want to hear everybody's give I'm gonna ask you guys a question I want to hear everybody's thoughts on I'll give mine first so you guys don't feel like I'm cheating which is so given this how do we really what's our plan for getting disclosure so I would say from from your guys perspective like you guys as Engineers it's one thing to get the effects like I think getting the effects very cheaply is great because that we don't have a lot to work with we don't have a lot of resources to work with we're just P we're peasants compared to the locked Martins of the world but I agree I think there are probably ways that we can figure out how to do it cheaply if we find the right experiment but I don't think it's so much as finding something that proves the physics although that's also great maybe that can win a Nobel but finding something that we can record that's like undeniable that you go okay there you go you're what you're seeing there I can put it on social media it's going to get a million views you know like I know that's sad to say but that's the world we live in that's uh I mean views I mean that's one thing but what we really need is I mean these these Technologies can provide energy for Humanity they can uh remediate nuclear waste they can like they can fix a lot of the problems we've gotten ourselves into as a species and that needs to be commercialized and scaled and that is big task that's hug so so not only proving it is the first step fixing the world is really should be the goal so how do we do it what what do you guys think that's the whole conversation within 30 seconds you got it's gota be short that'll have to be a whole other like we'll make another stream one minute just hear me out we take all Bill Gates's money put him in prison and then we use it to this I like think more problem then but I mean yeah so very simply when the mfmp was set up the Martin flash Memorial project was set up we said we don't necessarily have to do this we just have to get to a point where others think we're just about to do it and then the people that are holding on to the May precious will suddenly release what they have to do otherwise they'll look like also rans so you have to get close close enough and then they'll release it h so essentially we don't necessarily have to do it but I think going to and what we cannot rely on is them doing it out of the goodness of Their Own Heart re revealing unlimited energy a and uh propulsion systems they're just not going to do it so we have to do it we have to accept that we take our own agency work together as Humanity to deliver this they're not going to give it to us I agree and this is like this is something that is going to like everyone watching get involved open up a book this one's a good one um this is a very good one uh in fact David Chester just found a connection that will allow us to add torsion into electromagnetism and the uh uh scalar term uh without breaking violating charge conservation although we still have a vacuum charge but that's a whole separate issue uh but like yeah get involved tell people um uh I'm supporting a project called Evo Das labs. anyone can get involved it has a white paper that's being published you can go to the sign up and anyone literally anyone can get involved and they can also apply for funding and it's uh a um distributed autonomous organization so uh uh it shouldn't be able to be taken down and so on so i' I'd investigate that this is it's it's set up to specifically make minimum viable products of existing known to work patents that uh are expired so therefore no one wants to invest in them because they they've already expired so they can't profit of them but no one knows how to make easily with contract manufacturers a working product out of those things these are for producing energy in the form of uh heat uh electricity um materials processing and Remediation oh hello Bernie hello hey guys Bunch we got going on here so welcome Bernie Bernie here has been a hugee actually so fun fact about Bernie this is how I introduce him that people may not know is that Bernie is the one that showed Bob Greener the MH370 videos which is how we all got connected is that well I've seen them from my my my uh um co- director he was the first person that sent them to me and then Bernie sent them to me and but like I didn't know I can't remember I don't think I knew that you had done anything with MH370 Ashton I just responded because my friend and my former colleague had sent them to me and I thought well I know what they are I've got to respond to this right so just message to the audience before we begin with Bernie um yeah don't wait for them to tell you how MH370 disappeared find it out yourself we can do it together yeah send this video to Sabina hen Felder if we all do it coordinated she won't be able to ignore it yeah I think that ifusion keep pressuring them you know in terms of the sine helders the other people of the world they're seeing the posts and the comments and the stuff that are getting traction that are out there and the truth is I I think that you know string theory is not really figure anything out what theor people have a joke that is like a cover story to keep us stuck Humanity stuck for the last however many decades go ahead berie sound off welcome to the party brother I know you had some you wanted to put on the just to add to that when I first so I originally remember right after MH370 going missing I was looking into it a lot I was like Diego Garcia and then I remember like Don Don Lemon being like it was aliens and then like actually seeing those videos originally I was like Ah that's fake and then it was like I came back or when you came out with it I saw you uh shout out to re over at leak project and I instantly saw and recognized the uh yingying like in the heat signatures of the orbs and how they moved around and I was like okay this is like Bob Greener like Classic EVO uh technology and that there's just there's no way that any fraudster would be putting that sort of detail into this and then it's like okay now now we got to take this serious and that at that point you already had your list of all the investigation that you had done showing that it was like this is legitimate uh cers technology of like the Drone and the satellite and all of that breaking it down and then when you and Bob did your first interview together and not not a lot of people I think caught on this point or saw it but Bob you spoke about how you actually have a history in video editing and how like you thus are essentially an authority to speak on it and that there's no way that you saw honestly and I know Ashton says it can't be done I I'm pretty confident I could do that and I know the tools I would have used back then because I had a animation business 3D animation business and we did stuff like in fact I actually modeled a plane and I did stuff with it way back when would I bother to do it now no it's not important it's not important to do it question for you Bob if you were doing it would you have thought to put in all the different details of not so I actually addressed this I addressed this about three weeks ago H and I talked about a person in Australia claiming to have faked these videos or whatever and I said right from the beginning it does not matter whether it was faked or it's real footage the truth is in those images and I argued this about three weeks ago in my stream I said that if I was commissioned to produce this and the guy claims his friend asked him he doesn't say what he said he asked him to do I would then go and into the creative process and that is a remote viewing process the inspiration is taken from the source and it's actually saying I'm going to ask the cosmos how to produce a video that looks like a plausible mechanism by which these are taken and the weird thing is you might end up with the true answer and you know what's weird a week later there's and this was just before the egg was released but uh in in the recent disclosure disclosure there was how put off and he was on and ask me anything and I it's one of the best ask me anything or or videos of how put off discussing and behind him he had a a image and it was but he said that this was given to him and he watched it being produced by uh the most uh the greatest ever um uh remote viewer he had and I can't remember his name right now someone in the chat might be able to say it um but essentially what he said was and you know the interesting thing is the artists are the best remote viewers and I thought boom right there that's exactly what I said just the previous week and they're saying like so even if the guy faked it for me and that that was my position from the beginning in the first video I don't care whether this or not it could it show the process so let me jump in on that because I have to put ask my one question though yeah the average person though hired by whoever to make something like that probably wouldn't be a remote viewer but even then connecting to Mis understanding what I'm saying I'm saying the creative process is people using their innate ability a really good creative actually can tap into this and I didn't know that hell put off had proven they actually went on to prove that remote viewers artists are the best remote viewers I'm not denying any of that my question is like and I absolutely agree like if you're in sour like when I've Connected To Source and like you get that download it's like you fully get the full encom encompassing like geometry structure and code of everything but that's the natural geometry and structure of the universe uh it's that would you also get the information of like the military specifics that were also put into that what they say what they say is with a remote viewer something happened in Africa and we want to know where it is and what it is and someone start sketching and they ask source for the answer and they start sketching out let me let me this the Train's getting off the tracks here we're off the station so let me say here is this is that yeah there to Bernie's point there are some details in the videos that are extremely difficult to understand how someone could know the details it's not just knowing the event it would have had to be an inside government's like issuing of it you don't have to convince me of that you don't know you were the one who told me that Bob I was on you on clip so yeah I I know but you you don't know what was told to the artist if it was faked or or it's just real those are the two options it's either real or it's fake but it does I've never said it matters to me whether it's fake real it's showing the process yeah here's the other thing too so that to that point it's like okay the science is real on there so that's the part where I would say like of course a lot of people too are like you know they're like hey can you blame me for being skeptical I'm like of course not I mean I'm talking about literally a a plane that's still missing and I'm saying we somehow have two videos of it getting teleported or maybe annihilated right out of SpaceTime and the looking into the science of this you find out that's what it would look like and for the people that are like building Stuff This Is The Stuff where I would say like guys like I've researched the plane I've done my side of it as a journalist to research the plane I've done more in the physics stuff as well in the science realized okay this is all real this is all out there so if so and those videos are real there's a lot of clues about how the science works that we might be able to glean off of them this is what I was trying to tell thing wayer specifically says it in his own recording it's worth a shot right because like if this if that if those videos if the science in those videos is real it's like oh it tells us something about the universe that we can do negative energy we can we see this cooling event happen that like negative that's not quite negative energy if I maying I want to hear Michael speak real quick because I want to hear his opinion yes please yeah yeah so what you've got um there is um so you have the extended electrodynamics and you have the um you have this uh longitude scalar so actually yeah you just have the scal term to start out with when you remove the lorence gauge condition you get additional wave equations they say oh these wave equations uh we don't know if they propagate at the speed of light they have all sorts of weird forms uh there's no mass in the vacuum so let's just ignore them and set this to zero um there are a number of wave equations here that are interacting with whatever the superf fluid medium is and the thing about a superf fluid is that it supports two types of um two types of wave phenomena that supports um the what's it um vorticity um there's something called a brov vortices in um in usually superconductors but also you can have quantized vity in super fluid helium and then the other thing is uh something called The buul Waves sorry if I've mispronounced the guy's last name but bagula waves are are waves in the sense like almost sound waves but really they're waves of uh temperature or entropy and the thing is um for for many years uh people have been looking for um for the for the heat equation for the way we deal with temperature um it's a it's what's it first order in time and second order in space I forget it might be the other way around you're have to find but uh in any case um you don't get a wave speed for thermal energy propagation in that equation uh in the usual heat equation that people use so people have been looking for a wave equation for temperature for a long time the problem is when you have a wave equation for temperature uh then you uh you can have uh temperature flowing from uh cold to hot uh as well as hot to cold and you you you get a violation of the second law of Thermodynamics with uh with relative ease and so people look for they look for thermal energy equations that uh I mean the thermal wave equations that can describe uh systems like a wave equation um that look like the normal thermal diffusion equation but they're limited by the speed of light uh and you get that but then um it's very difficult and there are a few occasions where they found different ways of doing it but there it's very difficult to find a wave equation for a temperature which does not break the second law of Thermodynamics and it's possible that in fact with these buul waves in vacuum uh it does um I shouldn't say break the second Li it avoids it because um it doesn't uh ergodicity does not apply to these systems the thermodynamic does not necessarily apply to these systems and those are uh prerequisite assumptions to deriving the second law of Thermodynamics the other laws are axiomatic but the second law is emergent and uh or or it's derived from other axioms so anyway um that's a whole long conversation but basically uh why is it not negative energy though that's part I'm not okay yeah so negative energy uh is is very specific It's associated with uh Quantum squeezing reducing the vacuum below a certain the vacuum energy below a certain amount yeah um so a buul a buul wave you can think of that um as like uh compressing and rarify the vacuum it's it may be associated with the scalar term in the in the extended electrodynamics but you have regions where you increase the vacuum noise and you decrease the vacuum noise kind of like a squeezed vacuum state but the in the squeezed vacuum State just the decreased vacuum noise is the important thing and really for a warp field that is not AC it doesn't go back to being denser and less dense if you want something that's at a lower uh static pressure uh you would need to set up some standing wave of these uh these compressions and rare fractions vacuum going outward spherically symmetric and then you have uh uh for the spherical wavefronts you have what is it uh vessel and Airy function Solutions which uh that that's that's too much detail why so a crack at a conceptualization of the negative energy well so uh the the the buul wave we're talking about and the the cooling effect is associated with violations of the second law with uh wave propagation in this super fluid medium that is a thermodynamic kind of behavior uh negative energy is just uh at least physically associated with the uh the compression and rare fraction of the vacuum and the change of the refractive index refractive index versus curvature is a whole other conversation anyway um if you do that and you're is one aspect of these waves but you also you get rare faction as well as compression and the the rare faction itself if you take a a CER cavity you pull it apart you have expended energy to put this region of vacuum in between the plates below the normal vacuum State elsewhere you've expended the energy to anyway sorry goad let me justum what 30 seconds then Bob you go which is I guess that's what I'm saying is that if you just look at and you say well the Zero Point Energy is the energy below zero the energy that is at the lowest state that we don't really count right now that we just throw out and you just bring that back in it kind of cheats because you that energy can be any amount now because you're already cheating as it is you just say that energy balances out now you have a situation where you can create in my opinion what I would call negative energy it's not really an exotic substance I would say you're just manipulating that Medium that you're cold energy it's a it's a little more subtle but you're on the right it's generally right go ahead Bob okay the way I conceptualize it let's start with the Casmir cavity it excludes some wavelengths of photons outside so you have a a less available Photon modes inside and so the the the the plates get pushed together okay so what what you have is less combinations of photons in there or vibrations or whatever it is it doesn't matter and Relic neutrinos and anything whatever whatever whatever is in there you have less of them right so it's it it it P pushes them together so all you need is a mechanism by which you can asymmetric Ally capture some of these components of the normal energy state of the vacuum in front of a device so if you can rarify fire rather rather than removing it by it can't fit in there rarefying it in front and condensing it behind you you actually have effectively negative energy in front and you fall forward that's yeah and you're making gravity you know because then you connect gravity to it I don't to me it it makes sense connected but I'm not a PhD um guys let's play I want to play this how clip at least the first half of it second half of it I'll just spoil it for you he says he's gonna go to his grave and he's not gon to reveal anything that's why I love him he's probably I want to ask him like I keep wondering what my qu one question to him would be if I had one I'm pretty sure though it would be like are you the highest on like the mj12 totem pole or above you like I feel like he must be on people don't know what I mean this like the secret group that like controls the fate of humanity or whatever pretty sure he's up there um okay so this is a clip that you were saying I think it was you Bob just now talking about this can you comment on your work with Ken shoulders and how his work is mentioned as ideal for further research in one of the a yeah here we go oh yes uh at the at my earthtech International Institute for advanced studies in Austin Ken Scher a brilliant uh researcher that I first ran into actually while I was still at Sanford Research Institute where he he was and uh he was uh one of the best experimentalists I can imagine ever existing I mean sort of like another Tesla and he had come up with a scheme whereby he was able to make plasma balls that held together even electrons which ordinarily if you try to push a lot of electrons together their charge just forces them to to to take off but he was able to build devices that actually concentrated them into little actually circular distributions of intense electron charges um and so uh we you know we we we looked into trying to figure out how how could that possibly be and so that took us into a whole new area of uh the possibility of quantum Gra Quantum electromagnetic uh phenomena what we call you know the quantum vacuum electron positron distribution that underlies most of our physics that if you dig into at that deep a level you can get new effects and it appeared that that's what he was kind of tapping into and so We examined that from the standpoint of well is this a way to tap vacuum fluctuation energy that might be a new energy source and got you got some evidence that that that might be the case and even got a couple of patents on it so that work with Ken shoulders kind of got a lot of people looking at uh the possibility well let's let's dig into the quantum vacuum that underlies everything and see if there's a way to tap some of the enormous energy that's there okay wow so okay I mean he praised Ken shoulders pretty heavily there and says like they got results out of this that were seemed to be beneficial got patents out of it as well um you know explains they were making balls of plasma they were potentially tapping this and he he didn't say certainly ball Lightning's been seen before so we know that exists I think it's a my dad actually at the age of eight living in saskatch one experienced uh lightning would always strike the train tracks and he experienced one where it created a big ball of uh ball lightning and it traveled along the train tracks until it got to directly in front of their house which was across the highway and it had to go it went over like the ditch over the road down their driveway and then he said it went through their screen door like nothing and then as soon as it got like parallel with where he was standing watching this like like just stunned shook uh it just dissipated into nothing and it's like it's sorry we we derailed it again sorry Ashton no you guys are good so because here's the thing the ball lightning phenomenon sure it can be natural But Eric Davis isn't writing a paper for the Air Force research Labs about natural ball lightning like that's not it's not he created this he's created this yeah it's obviously an engineering thing is what he's writing it about it's like how do we harness this power you know like that's why I have been told but I haven't had the verification that at Edwards Air Force Base they uh did some uh functionalization of Ken shoulder's work and produced 10 times over out input I I've not seen the dayron that somebody asked as well do and just because they did a donation I want to sorry I haven't been hitting the donos here tonight but somebody asked about son luminesence um do you guys think that that's the same processes because it's cavitation or that's a 100% it could certainly be to it it has critical impacts that go over the level in which you need to produce exotic vacuum objects okay and there you've got a spherical symmetry that turns into toroidal symmetries oh by the way uh Bob there's a what's it uh um I don't know I don't I don't think I've heard you use the terminology but it's there's online uh flying dut pulses uh spacial temporal Optical vortices yeah yeah I've seen five different five different groups have claimed ownership of this stuff yeah I've seen several Pipers yeah yeah it's that it goes by like five different Vector Vortex beams mairana photons they've got all sorts of names they have for this stuff these days yeah yeah let's uh let's get alien controversial here for the uh UFO Community people that are out there because we've been very nerdy now so there's this narrative out there that I want to get everyone's opinion on and I'll give mine first so you can hear it is the transdimensional aspect of the UFO phenomenon so not just it can either be related to nhi in some cases it is related to aliens in other cases related to the craft or what have you there that this this phenomenon is transdimensional now from my perspective I think it feels a little bit like a scop a little bit because I think that I mean I'm literally saying we can teleport which you could argue is transdimensional but when you look in the evos I found out they can like just go straight through solid matter which also I think that that's where people are saying like it's transdimensional because stuff's phasing in and out of existence and it's also able to go through solid matter so from one aspect I think that the transdimensional aspect of the phenomenon makes sense but from another aspect I look at and I go well I don't think we should be thinking about in terms of ghosts and goblins coming out of the another dimension or a bizar Dimension either so let's just go Bob Greener okay so there's two aspects here there's transdimensional and transm medium trans medium is where you're able to go from say space to air to to water or through even Rock and uh I've argued that that is possible because you have a different SpaceTime bubble inside these it's a different SpaceTime metric inside and all of the rules that apply outside uh don't apply inside and so if you could imagine it's it's it's a whole sequence of wave descriptions of the matter inside they don't uh actually uh interact with the wave descriptions in our part of the universe it's not in a different it's not it's in our universe but it has a different SpaceTime metric and all of the matter that's in there is in a different SpaceTime metric that's one aspect the other the other thing comes about quantization and how that leads to teleportation which I'll discuss in a very different video because I have to walk through a fairly long logistical thought process but essentially you don't get interaction because of the quantization you do not need another um uh uh universe and you do not need other dimensions for this to to to occur so in both cases it's compatible with being in our universe but having one is uh non-interaction of the matter because it's in its own SpaceTime metric and the the other one is because it's literally it's not a normal electron it's a structure that's it's a exotic vacuum object that's much V more vast than a a a normal electron and and so it can go transm medium because it doesn't see the medium it actually goes from this point to that point over there inly so it sounds like you agree with me perfect if I could jump right into it yeah yep you do it thank you um so s hosen Felder just recently talked about um what was it um there's a paper out there that's uh claiming a new type of particle like basically everything we know of is bosons or Fons right so bosons can like pass right through each other like occupy the same state Etc fermion like my hand won't pass through this hand that's effectively that's electron degeneracy pressure um or electrostatic pressure whatever at this at this it's not this isn't high enough I'm not Superman high enough not high enough forces here for that but uh but um in principle yeah fans don't talky the same state Sabine was saying there's other types of particles um mathematically at least that we haven't considered which have properties in between bosons and Fons in different ways and I suspect that that something like that might be the case uh I I'm not entirely against the extradimensional approach just because uh most uh or or many of these torsion based um Electro electromagnetic gravity unifications are related to Einstein carton Theory and uh there was one other that similar but uh that's one that comes to mind but uh and that requires a Fifth Dimension so it's possible there's something associated with that um but really yeah I mean even just um if we look at uh squeezed vacuum States these are waves that propagate in vacuum that scientists do not consider them to be a particle of Their Own because they don't have a root mean squared uh I mean sorry um yeah so when you square the wave function to get the probability distribution you um you don't get a one or zero I mean you get some either with zero probability or it's a some other number besides one but basically uh it's be it's it is that way because um we haven't classified that object as a particle how many probabilities for ghost to be real are G not real that's it's not like it's like um basically there's this thing called the vigner Quasi probability distribution and when you use the vigner Quasi probability distribution you do get uh a one for these squeezed vacuum States they behave like a particle but if you just use the square of the wave function you don't and so there's something about normal quantum mechanics that disregards a set of particles from existing um anyway that's lots of interesting stuff to think about and talk about so answer your question ghosts are real they're an echo in The Ether well I'd also like to add know what if you just had if you have invisibility cloaking technology you have walk through walls and you have flying what are you well that's what a plasma orb is oh gorry miss that Jeremy go on I missed the punch line no it's if you have invisibility fly and walk through walls yeah had those three powers yeah that's a ghost maybe the people seeing ghost they were just seeing plasma balls or something with invisibility cloaks flying ability and walk through walls I mean what yeah I mean what would someone who's like in the 1700s called that that they saw it yeah yeah they and that's why too it's just like the a lot of the stuff lines up and the more that we keep talking about a lot of this it's like it all seems to come back to this idea of The Ether uh Maxwell's equations and this idea of Zero Point Energy this is something I brought up with Obi as well and I'm curious to hear you guys opinions is that you know I said I I dug through a lot of this and I haven't dug as long as you guys have I'm not pretending to have been nearly as experience but when I started looking through I started looking for like what's the way that what I'm seeing here can be real what's the physics that would explain this I I didn't know what to expect when I started digging around looking and I kind of only found one real answer like yes I saw all string theories out there but it doesn't really go into all the Nu on but you find Zero Point Energy and you realize that there's this expanded literature there's even this lore related to the UFO phenomenon connecting it together and you know people are out there and they're saying the right stuff like Fineman and and Wheeler saying that there's this giant giant massive amount of energy you're going well oh that's kind of like exactly what we need for you know all the stuff that we're saying out there is magical so I was surprised to S think that like all the answer all my questions about physics about what's the energy source for UFOs was all right there in Zero Point Energy so my question to you guys is you know what did you guys what do you guys see as the you know the energy source for UFOs or do you think Zero Point Energy is the answer or do you think that that you know there's gaps or holes in the theory so I would think it's some other it's something we haven't considered yet that's still true um there's um ambiguities in electromagnetism where if you change the Potentials in a certain way you change like the electro uh I think the was it the electromagnetic fields are over constrained or under constrained I think it was under constrained but the potentials are fully constrained when you extend electrodynamic Theory so the potentials are the physically real thing weirdly and then you can manipulate that to make electric and magnetic fields but the electr the electric and magnetic fields have what we consider to be real energy so I think there's some fundamental um eer staircase Paradox in physics which can be manipulated in this sort of way um maybe well can I can I have a shot at that go for itead so so um I think one might consider all energy to be uh vibration and frequency uh and in fact so-called particles could just be closed Loops of um frequency or vibration of the underlying substructure uh such that they create a gravitational ASAS that enables the matter to be in a bound State or the energy to be in a bound State such that it forms something that we would call a particle and this is basically the 1954 paper of gons combined with the concept of uh Winston Bostic in the form of plasma toroids plasmoids and if you combine those two concepts you have everything from subatomic particles all the way up to galaxies and so what you're looking at in condensed matter that is solids liquids gases plasma and even these higher binding energy materials in the form of these glowing plasmoids that persist on ordinary matter these are all forms of condensed matter of various degrees so if you're going to get energy you can either take it from the rarified medium or you can take it from the condensed matter so the the best source would be the condensed matter so the 1992 Russian article that was released on the CIA archive in uh 2017 which I've referred to a number of times they say there is a propulsion technology that will allow us to get uh to Alpha centuri uh and back in 12 years and the energy required will be provided for by 1 kilogram of ion and the propulsion technology is the same thing that extracts the energy from the iron so where is the energy coming from well if it's a straight plasma structure or a um another form of condensed matter uh uh stable particle think of something very macro then it can be supporting itself from the flux of either photons in the environment through what you call Zero Point Energy or through polarization of the vacuum where you get positron electron pairs they annihilate and they produce 251 K KV photons and you can absorb those and if you look at the work in 2021 in creating uh plasma toroids by using a a single laser puls a very high energy laser pulse into a nonlinear plasma it produces fields of 3.6 trillion volts per meter and if you look over the scale of the the the front of the toroid that is sufficient to polarize the vacuum producing positron electron Pairs and when they will as they will do annihilate in the center of the phase Singularity it can capture those photons as was already been calculated by you send me that paper Bob after this yes I can yes I want to say here I want to respond to both you guys here is as well as that you know the defin definition of energy is just defined as the ability to do work so we have this like kind of vague definition of energy especially when you start to think about what is gravity and like so like what would a perpetual motion machine even look like if you were to think about it one thing too I want to challenge Michael and just the general Theory of physics on is that I think particles are a good way for us to visualize stuff in our macroscopic environment but like what Bob said more and more I've looked into it I realized that I think waves are really high to think of everything and like uh I I view matter as just condensed energy trapped in a resonance it's kind of it's a if I could speak to that I rip on that for a second the um so waves versus particles whatever uh so the actually even first the particle definition uh originally came from uh the ancient Greek concept where if you if you keep dividing something infinite uh eventually there must be some minimal piece of matter um and so that was the concept that we continually went with and that idea is kind of it's based on the idea of an observation at a point but we know that observations don't need to be like that anymore we have the weak measurement Theory and so you can have observations of a system that are non-abelian that uh do not obey uh the standard uh statistics and quantum mechanical behaviors and you can do a lot more with weak measurements uh than with the standard measurement Theory but um just also to uh to the point of like matter being a condensed waves sure yeah it is um but it's in in standard physics you have this idea of spontaneous symmetry breaking um in normal materials uh symmetry breaking is anything but spontaneous you get expected phase changes water goes from liquid to gas when you changes energy the vacuum has phase changes too and you can see this if you take if you take the idea of these virtual particles and you simply apply A minkowski Spacetime diagram to them so uh mowy diagram for those who don't know you have uh you have your time axis and your one dimension of space uh for the simplified thing and um 45 degrees is the speed of light um so basically what does a virtual particle look like in A manowski Spacetime diagram you're taking something Quantum uh and you're you're putting it in something classical what does it look like it looks like a 45 Dee like triangle like the the particles come into existence and they annihilate and there's some volume of space time where those virtual particles can exist exist yeah and so when you um when when you add energy density to this region of space you get more and more of these virtual particle volumes in your minkowski diagram and they get larger and larger because energy time uncertainty allows these particles uh to exist for longer and So eventually when you have sufficient energy density these virtual volumes of SpaceTime start to overlap and that gives you a nonlinearity which is equivalent to the electro week uh force and so that nonlinearity uh produces some binding energy behaviors for these particles and then they they stay um they start to obey solitonic equations and that gives you the electron that gives you all these other things so they're solons um stabilized by this expected phase change not spontaneous symmetry breaking in the vacuum so so few quick questions is energy coming from nowhere because how poff's 1987 ground state of a hydrogen atom basically argues that it's got to be radiating energy out and getting energy back from the vacuum equally to stabilize and also real quick then one other thing too is that is are the subatomic particles also just like the soup of this energy density that's all around us all the time as well in your model so those are the two my my thing does not necessarily answer that question unfortunately um know for the for the strong force for the strong force you can actually think of it as a casemer effect it's cool because the protons and the neutrons they have they're little spheres of Quirk Glon plasma so they're electrically conductive and when you bring these closer enough together you would get a Casmir Force you have to take in to you I mean obviously the strong force at that scale is equivalent but basically you can think of the nuclear binding energies as as casmere force on electrically conductive uh neutrons and protons but that's a second phase change in the vacuum at that energy scale but um go ahead Bob so uh you were speaking about how matter maintains its energy level as it were and The Relic neutral condensates round about 2 Kil uh to um Kelvin it has energy it's not not zero but it's all about the same temperature because they don't interact uh um with ordinary matter in in sort of easily they they maintain this condensate condensate State now because they have uh this ability to be pulled in through a proton and through other nuclei through their own pidal moments according to shishkin eile they are able to capture the atom a certain amount of energy necessary only what they need from this superf fluid condensate H where as it goes through and energize the electrons and then that it gets ejected and because it's only taken an infinitesimally small amount of energy out those Relic neutrinos then rebalance with the overall condensate now if the atom is over energized through the condensed cluster of Rel neutrinos that this Taurus in there this low energy Solon medium energy s on or whatever it it's if it's over energized it goes through that Shell through the electrons and expels the energy into the condensate so this there's this breathing of atoms that goes on that maintains the stable electron orbits now the interesting thing is if you change the density of Relic neutrinos the spect lines of elements change and this was observed by shuju uh and his team in China from 1988 to 1999 they found that during three body alignments which cause gravitational lensing of Relic neutrinos you get a change in the spectral output of elements and what do I mean by that you excite an atom and you get particular uh uh photons coming back from that atom that should not change at any point in the UN universe but it does during solar and lunar eclipses because the density of the medium that energizes atoms and keeps their electrons in their ordinary orbital State changes yeah this is very important stuff Bob that's that's a very important insight and uh additionally um there are a few Isotopes uh I believe even Thomas Townson Brown mentioned them in his notes maybe um there are a few isotopes that change their uh radioactive decay rate during uh different gravitational uh when they're in different gravitational environments so they're sensitive it's the medium through it is the common cosmophysical factor that allows for Decay yeah I I see the nutrino connection now U I'll have to look into that further please Bob uh if you could send me some notes on that just look at the latest paper that I translated from shishkin and follow back through his work okay and to understand and when you understand the work of Alexander Parov and that the Relic neutrinos are the medium which causes beta Decay and in fact the another reference you should go and look at is Simon schn the last version of his book I think is from 2012 you can download it for free on the internet he looked at around about 2,000 papers from around about the 1950s all the way through to 2012 and found that in all random processes be that b uh radioactive decay uh cell division uh even random processes on a random number generator um these are all driven by a common cosmophysical factor and shishkin in his presentation in 2018 it says that this is Relic neutrino condensate flux so yeah the important part there is basically that we know there's black body radiation we know there's Hawking radiation as well so all Mass is like giving off this radiation all the time and this is part of the reason why too when we look up we say well we don't see any of these alien mega structures because we would see black body radiation even if they were somehow able to absorb all this energy from their Stars not not if it was actually using this technology because it has a non-radiating boundary and so like would like like just it just wouldn't radiate anything would it and if you've got okay I agree I agree I agree there might be ways we can do it but let me finish my thought real quick go ahead which is that okay so there's everything's Radia energy so even small atoms should be radiating energy away and you would think that at some point they should Decay but for some reason that doesn't seem to happen balance we must think there yes there must be some balance so to the point of the breathing or what have you but this is a this is a really like mindbending concept when it comes to the world of physics because it means that there is this medium out there at that point in my opinion so go ahead Michael or Jeremy you've been quiet as well I mean what are your thoughts on this because it seems like to me at least you no matter what you always come back to this energy density of the medium that is keeping everything afloat so to speak so I think uh David Chester mentioned recently um he thinks maybe um this interaction with matter occurs when the matter is in a non-equilibrium study State and and so that uh that goes back to the second law violating systems when you have non-erotic non-equilibrium systems um you can have self-organization you can have things that decrease their entropy over time and uh it may be related to this this Fe fundamental field too we haven't seen the physics from that side just yet we just see the stat the stat Mech and the materials that we're working with and uh I mean there's a book U unfortunately I don't have a copy with me right now but um I lent it to a fellow who's learning this stuff but challenges to the second law thermodynamics by Daniel Shen and vladislav capek not the Daniel Sheen you're probably thinking of if you're on UF it's not that one but uh University of San Diego danan has a I've heard this before the challenges yeah go ahead uh by danan and vladislav capek vladislav capek was a genius underrecognized in his time sadly deceased um and uh yeah chapters 3 to five of that book outlined it in great detail um um how basically if you have nonlinear um what's it there's a generally stat me assume something similar to the Redfield equations where you have weak quantum mechanical coupling and you can go check out the book if you want to learn about that but when you don't have weak quantum mechanical coupling when you have second order third order terms that are non- negligable um first off uh it can be difficult to approximate these with perturbation Theory so a lot of the existing physics it can be difficult to understand these systems that way uh second um it um although it's possible sometimes uh and then the second thing is like you get uh longrange ordering of the system self-organization you get um and but these these nonlinear couplings they generally show up in driven systems yes or second to third order terms will show up in the coils that uh Bob greener's produced that Jeremiah's built and and uh same kind of idea exactly you so you've seen second order uh uh effects from that is that what you're saying sorry oh and and what I'm so what I'm working with in particular is um absorption chemistry with water so in the actually there was a paper posted um I could drop the link in the chat in a little bit but uh the uh hermetic hydrolic uh uh evaporation cell uh flow evaporation flow cell so basically there's a bunch of systems that evaporate water um and uh they produce a voltage because of that why does this happen at the surface of the water the water molecules are polar they want to stick one way or the other relative to some Surface by absorption chemistry and that that produces long range order in the water that has a voltage gradient to it if you have a thin layer of water on a capillary surface that's evaporating then uh the water on the outside tends to detach itself and sometimes it'll take some charge with it and so uh you get the self organization close to the surface you have higher order um what's it uh strong quantum mechanical coupling because the distances are small the surface areas are large and you have this polar interaction with the surface of the material in the boundary um and in standard thermodynamics you're looking at volumes where you're neglecting the boundary of the system um and uh you're at the thermodynamic limit this is not in the thermodynamic limit you're talking about small amounts of particles on thin surfaces with the conditions close nearby and nonlinear interactions between the particles anyway um when you have all of those things you get um self-organization of these systems uh thermal energy goes into this potential energy in the system and then in this case the evaporation is an endothermic process that carries away the energy and produces the voltage and then um they were able to get like 28 patts so it's not a lot but it's easy almost trivial to replicate h so yeah I even if you get a small amount to me that's proof of something anomalous or amazing and then it's just an engineering challenge to you know scale it up find a better way to do it and that's kind of what's saddens me about Academia in general especially even with like pwn and fleshman you know it's like first thing everybody does everybody's just trying to recreate his thing how about like looking at it from and going okay what's the physics that supports This and like is there another way to do it instead of just everybody just copying one another i' been like you know I would have been wanted okay show me the Ken shoulders who's like oh no I can do the same thing but you know completely different way you know the same kind of concept of fusion over Unity energy that's out there um so I hope people follow that now I want to give Bernie a chance to speak because he's been very quiet and I was just looking at some of the comments in our private chat so Bernie me and Bernie are like busy reading the chat oh I appreciate you guys you're moderating go ahead I just wanted to point out we have the most epic team ever that we've assembled with one 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they just want to see something flashy as well so I think that this is like all a big information war and there's like you have to find the fine line between okay science is awesome but now how do you show that science is awesome to somebody who has no idea what you know any of what we've talked about this whole stream at the same time so it's a tough uh cross roads um with regard to the energy um I would refer people to the paper that I've just put in the link there it's JR Roth 1995 ball lightning what nature is trying to tell the Plasma Research community and that was in the American nuclear society's Journal Fusion technology and they said if we can manufacture a I think it's a 10 mm ball lightning it'll produce all of the energy necessary to run the domestic home and he was working he was working for the US Air Force and imagine instead of just having a furnace we just have a ball lightning generator in your basement it's just producing all the energy you need it can cool and heat your house because they can manipulate the ambient Zero Point Energy all over the place um yeah I mean it's it's incredible and to me it answers the big question of why would you cover this all up well you think about the scale of that I don't know if you guys were in here when I was showing Jeremy the clip but you think of the implications to our society of something that massive and to Academia you know to Michael's point it's like we got Michael and Jeremy out here and Bob everybody out here looking into this science and this would be like the biggest black eye in the world to Academia to not have figured all this stuff was real but it's just like especially if it's liter say it it probably has been figured out not public to some extent back in the 1950s there was the fmy pasta ulam Singo experiment which demonstrated this uh strong quantum mechanical coupling in principle at least in a classical example but they had basically a bunch of Springs uh all attached to masses on Springs all attached like a string and they uh for for a normal uh piece of string it it thermalizes um but um for if you add a a squared term to the spring constant um that depends on the square of the extension of the spring then you get um uh frequent Quan recurrence because uh the excitations of this string behave like solons and they don't um they don't uh the entropy doesn't blow up to some crazy when you talk about solons you basically mean they're like all acting in like Unison pretty much right or coupled together ones impact in the next solons are a very specific nonlinear type of uh well they they solons obey very specific nonlinear partial differential equations uh like the kdv equation or the nonlinear Sigma model for Electro weaken ification if we're being very specific okay it's it's an abvi of the term solitary wave got it yeah that very yeah so it's it's a wave that stays cohesive in one spot sort of yeah and you can have a wave that's just like that or you can have a wave that's in on itself like a pidal Solon there's topology is a whole other dimension to it okay so uh I can't stay up too much later guys tonight because I'm a old man awesome thanks but I want to give everybody Bernie I want to give you a chance to let's have Bernie go first and because I think he's got a thing he wants to give and he's been very quiet so we're gonna listen nicely and listen to Bernie so uh I was listening at the beginning of the conversation with when you had Bob and Jeremy up talking about cold fusion and how one aspect is the chain of hydrogen atoms there's the lattice aspects and there's the plasma aspects and with my experiments in electrolysis a key part uh that combines all of it is that the cathode side your producing through electrolysis the hydrogen and it's an atomic hydrogen isotope and then on the anode side you're getting oxygen and if you want to share my picture I have up here yeah hold on um the the one that's covered in bubbles there that's a triple copper anode and that is all oxygen bubbles magnetically stuck because it's a triple solenoid I'm putting a 5vt current into it creating the electromagnet and it naturally produces the oxygen on that anode side and you're getting it uh covered and T in that state and then on the top right side there's the triple uh copper coil and it's actually uh red and it's from a hydro hydrogen and it's the hydrogen is formed off of that side but when I'm using the uh triple coil you have the wave within the w wave within the wave right so you have that triple um Vortex electromagnet motion that is then combined into it but more importantly the anode side the metal breaks down and dissolves into your electrolytes becoming an ionic uh dissolved metal and you have a salt in there and then you have your hydrogen and oxygen also being dissolved back into the water and that uh I'm have yet to have it tested but I'm pretty much 99.999% sure that I've been creating heavy water as well as uh trium and the different um Isotopes or whatever of are you some kind of Alchemist or something I 1,00% am an alchemist and Elm is electrochemistry or electrolysis chemistry and that's where you get it and it's the missing part of it and when you put uh high enough voltage and it's not like there's very low amperage but just uh enough that you get a plasma Arc between your two electrodes you then have that Evo that plasma form between which is creating the heat of the Sun that is then connect like exposed to the water with the dissolved Metals into it and that that is your density of like super saturation with you have the metal within it you have the other oxygen hydrogens within it and you have it contained with a very small amount of energy needed to produce that heat the plasma and that's where you can get the transmutations and to tie it into actual Alchemy how I got on to this was reading and decoding sir is Newton's uh recently Declassified and translated uh writings and that there was his seven colored states of transmutational metals uh the blue the red the yellow uh the green the white the black and the pink and that the blue I believe is the oxide uh the yellow they call it the sulfide I don't it doesn't smell like sulfur I don't believe it to be sulfur and I've actually had uh just yesterday um a professor chemist down in the US reach out to me uh to start have access of um spectrus whatever it is that you can actually see what the atoms are uh but that the red they called Mercury but I believe it to be a hydrate and that it is this cold state uh potential metam material of a like red hot active but it's actually a hydrate combination that could be potential superconductor that there's been some studies and published papers lately of I believe it was a lead combination hydrate that was this red super state that they've recently produced but in Sir Isaac Newton uh colored states of transmutation he says this is the most active State and then beyond it is the pink crystalline state of metals which I've been able to uh reproduce and keep Metals steady in this stasis in a cold stasis with no extra energy going in and you can actually see sparkling crystals off of whether it's uh copper whether it's silver whether it's gold and that it actually Sparkles and is pink and that what I believe is that if you're putting in the right resonant frequency of the atomic mass of the metal that you want to transmutate something into uh through that voltage in that uh plasma Arc and that um you have the atomic hydrogen uh being produced off that cathode when you have it in that pink active state and that resonant frequency going in so you take that for instance tungsten which is one atomic mass below gold you get it into that activated State and then you're producing the uh Atomic hydrogen right on it with those lates as well as uh the heat and energy of the Plasma on it that that uh theoretically should produce it you're basically You' made a plasma inside some water and then you're seeing the chemical reactions from the evos or the plasma discharge that that's happening in in the water right is that what I'm getting that absolutely and then another uh there's several different um like isotope particulates that happen off of this and that eventually um Metals become translucent I've created uh translucent zinc translucent aluminum through it I've had another guy reach out to me showing pictures of translucent translucent silver that uh he reacted through this but then uh additionally I've now been able and reproduced uh the clear uh gel of aluminum as well as zinc um off of um well one of the the electrodes in another part of it but it's the aspect that it's such a minuscule amount of energy required and that I've even It's the reaction is a lot slower but that uh with no energy going in by just having two metals like alternate metals of like an aluminum or copper or silver and uh zinc sort of thing and then two copper wires connecting them to each other that it literally will break down and dissolve and turn into the solid heavy dense metal into this ionic state of um particle that is then able to interact with your different like Photon or micro particles that you guys talk Michael what did you have to show there in your hand oh um so uh first off Bernie you sound like an Alchemists for sure all the old papers were very cryptic if you if you've ever read Sir Isaac Newton's uh Stu I I was uh I replicated uh purple regulative antimony for a girlfriend once uh that uh didn't last long she probably wanted an actual ring or something one thing I have to just some context to add in when you're decoding ancient alchemical text and symbols when it says something is live it they literally are saying it's got a live current in it when they're saying it's dead you've disconnected it when they're saying impregnate it you're adding that element into it it's nothing sexual it's nothing like esoteric it's just code words for the reactions and the processes so I've been looking at this thing bismuth borate um so I um didn't know what to think of orbitally rearranged elements and things for a while um until someone pointed to me um okay so we have a lot of 2D materials what about 1D materials well we have carbon based polymers sure that's a 1D material but uh there's there's actually a lot of inorganic 1D materials there's geopolymers for one but uh bismuth borate has uh quite a variety of structures but uh many of them are like polymer chain like things and so I uh produced this um for a separate experiment didn't expect anything weird to happen and then I had it on the hot plate just to dry it out and um it decomposed into metal there was no reducing agent in here there's no reducing agent at all and the metal that's left over there it's somehow Gallum it's not bismuth anymore I'm just glad it wasn't present when it was going off it was probably very radioactive at the time uh but I don't know how that I can probably like scratch one of these out here and Jeremy what were you saying I was saying you could full screen Michael and and he can show it to the oh yeah okay sorry good call yeah like it's it's uh my bad I don't want to get this on my computer yikes but uh he just touches it's like there's the little metal and uh liquid mercury no yeah it's glov I did get some on my computer sorry YouTube well I I got some cleaning to do now um I'm gonna connect these things together because you look let's get last last I gotta just show a couple samples of what I was talking about hang Bernie play around with bisou B8 try it I don't know what happened with this stuff but it's it has gallium now and that you added the heat aspect and one thing I've heard of and I want to try experimenting with is that when you add these monoatomic or or materials together and in a microwave that supposedly that also will turn them back into the solid metal State and often times transmutate them like combine uh the atomic masses into new elements or stuff like that but uh yeah it's like I'm not going to be using my uh kitchen microwave to do that uh need a couple extra microwaves and very long extension cords into Fields right for the bisou for8 I just used a hot a stirring Hot Plate the magnetic field might have done something to it I don't know so guys I want to thank you I'm gonna let everybody get one last word in but I I just want to thank you I'm starting to fade I appreciate this has been the nerdiest greatest uh collaboration stream that I've ever done so I want to thank you guys all individually for you know coming on and chatting I appreciate it so go ahead we'll just start with Bob and go through the top and then we'll go everyone can say one last word of whatever you want to say to the people so yeah to connect Bernie's work and the whole discussion around obiously rearranged monatomic atoms uh David Hudson is a person who was talking about these things early on and uh obviously Hal put off turned up on the scene and if you go and look at David Hudson's writing he talks about how um this aitly arranged monatomic State uh leads to a superconducting like state where the mass of the atom loses 49ths of its uh uh weight and it becomes 5 9ths of its original weight so how put off has been in this phase as well in alchemy wow fascinating go ahead Michael oh I just fascinating yeah oh okay uh any last comments um Jeremy you've been quiet any last comments for the people Jeremy yeah you guys can subscribe to me over at alien scientist on YouTube also check out Martin fman Memorial project that's Bob um on here on YouTube as well crypto Alchemist um Michael doesn't have a channel but check out we have a we have a hackaday page I can get the link for Ashton later um but we Post open source projects there and uh yeah check out the all propulsion thing and also yeah daveid Hudson put off but also the Frank me and the Frank me patents on zpe um Zero Point Energy and Frank me was actually um Eric Davis's Mentor so oh yeah lots of lots of uh the science is coming out and it's it's becoming more and more public and well known by the academic Community thanks to your help and your emails and sending this to your local physics department and Sabina hwome Felder she's a major major influencer in the physics Community let's wake people up guys out there and make it blow up so they zp disclosure 2025 is not just my view of Z Point Energy disclosure it's just this idea that there is more to be learned about physics idea if you believe in The Ether if you believe in The Relic neutrinos or what have you that there's more out there that has not been discovered so thank you for listening to all of us let's get our Disclosure by science and physics everybody out there push on social media push your representatives push the other influencers that are out there to look at the physics guys as always everybody MH370 have a good one one last question one last question and can you show the picture I have up okay so that is what I harvested when I was using a 24 karat gold uh anode and 24 karat gold cathode uh distilled water with a little bit of salt the top half being the white monoatomic gold but the bottom half being uh Nano solid particulate gold that deposited after being super saturated into the water and it's always the solid metal anode that the mass breaks down uh and then turn into the water and from out of the water turns back into both the Nano uh State as well as the white monot Tomic State uh but I just recently and shout out to esoteric gold in the chat uh we did a stream with him yesterday and he's like well have you tested these for like acidity like there's a good chance you could be making acid with the salt out of it and I did and that it's actually the majority of them are coming up like extremely base like that they're extremely alkaline so I just would like your guys's thoughts on what that means China laser on it is it fluorescent then I'll know no but is H sorry is it UV light is it fluorescent under UV some people are saying just drink it and see what happens that's my I don't never do this you can probably poison yourself if you make it colloidal or it's oxidized or the different particles you will die and turn blue and not good but I myself have been experimenting first I put it on plants for many years then I've been drinking it now for about 10 and I just drink the dissolved ionic water but only after flushing it uh N9 to 10 times uh with regular water first after the reaction and I I I don't know I haven't been sick in those years but we have a Raman spectrometer I want to see what the chemical bonds are on that and the ramen spectrometer is the thing to do send us some I'll connect to you guys later but thank you very much uh the crypto Alchemist here just dropping Alchemy on us tonight so uh that was Our Moment of Zen everybody have a great night peace out thanks everyone okay follow everybody on the 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