The Physics of Warp Drives & Negative Energy

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tonight guys my guest is Daniel Davis now Daniel Davis did an interview with salvator pise spoke about uh the math and the equations of warp drives spoke intelligently with s uh impressed me when I was listening and so who better to talk about these patents the feasibility what's going on behind the scenes that than Daniel himself Daniel Dan welcome to the podcast brother how are you doing I'm doing pretty good thanks for having me on um so I just I'd like to just start with just saying my my interview with s um the the version that's on YouTube is actually a lot shorter than uh when we talked we talked for about an hour and a half but um there was a there a few things he wanted me to trim out of there specifically so there was a there was more okay so so what do uh what do what do you want to get into well first thing I want to talk about is that Sal also today well let me just say I correspond with s occasionally I'd say we're friends but you know we don't go hang out on the weekends or anything he doesn't tell me his deepest darkest Secrets um but he asked me to post this letter that was a challenge to Elon Musk so I think this is a good springboard to our conversation because Elon Musk is straight up uh CNN brain primitive brain uh Reddit brain all of the derogatory comments that you could come up with when he's going on Joe Rogan saying like no nobody has gravity warp drive or anything like that it's just it's too impossible no if anybody had it we would know basically just spitting in the face of the UFO community and anyone that thinks that electr gravitics are a thing um and this is and S basically responded uh wanted me to post it and I did so gladly because I I was also extremely triggered by that and s's basically saying um that the Super Force the force of unification he says uh and he puts his his paper he says that quantum gravity is actually achievable but nobody would accept his paper um and I think you can actually you know speak to this uh quite intelligently you know when I looked at the the paper uh it looks like you know C to the four divided by G Big G is a big is a big piece of it so if you can give your interpretation of that in a second uh and so he's basically asking that musk should review this paper because musk said on Joe Rogan that he doesn't see any alternative propulsion methods to advance rocketry but this paper with the Super Force refutes that assertion and then he is basically saying that it's the super force acting on the local spacio temporal geometric structure SpaceTime which generates energy density and hence matter uh hence see the P effect it might be possible to manipulate modify the inertia resistance the modify the inertia which is resistance to motion of an object or a craft locally by manipulating the Super Force so then he just challenges them and then uh says something I think in Latin that I don't understand but it's probably dope so what are your thoughts on right off the bat do you think we can manipulate SpaceTime obviously I think we can manipulate SpaceTime um I think when it comes to Elon Musk um hey I don't want to speak bad about anybody uh but and I don't think I don't think we should ever attribute to malice what can easily be attributed to incompetence right um now you have to think elon's a very busy man and he's doing whatever he thinks going to be good for his business he doesn't have time to keep up with the latest of warp drive research um if you look at some of his older interviews he when he's asked about like warp dft's a thing he says uh how does he word it like uh you know technically something like warp drive might be possible but you need uh you know the the mass versus the mass of Jupiter worth a negative mass in order to uh in order to make it happen so it's impossible and which is a pretty standard textbook answer in Academia among most physicists and while that is technically right under certain assumptions we need to consider no no let's just go right into it why is that the noob way of thinking and why is it that it's actually possible I know know the answer to this so go ahead do tell us so in order to understand why warp drives are I'm not going to say a taboo area of physics because they are they're a 100% legit area of study in regular academic physics right now I mean like so warp drive comes in full-fledged in 1994 with Dr Miguel kuer with his work or with his paper uh warp drive hyper fast travel within general relativity um now if somebody technically says that an albieri TI or style warp drive is impossible okay yeah they're right um the math of of aier does have you know you need 10 times more than the amount of energy that's going to be in the universe okay that's all fine and dandy that being said we need to recognize what uer did do is he introduced the idea of warp drive is a legitimate objetive study within general relativity it's another prediction of general relativity now if we want to make an analogy of this if you're familiar with the history of general relativity let's back up to 1919 when Carl Schwarz child uh came up with the first solution of general relativity the Schartz child solution for a non-charged non-rotating black hole okay that's the first description within general relativity of anything and it happens to be of a black hole but we know they can't exist because why all all W were all black holes we found out how are going to have a charge and a rotation this is where the care solution comes in okay so you had somebody who took um the the sports child metric for a black hole and they said okay this is a good starting point how can I make this more realistic and so that's what car did so if we fast forward back to the warp drive study people have done that for a kubar um you had people like uh vand and broke by making it a multi-layer um warp drive which actually in uh his his 1999 paper was the first thing to introduce the idea that the interior of a work drive can actually be larger than the exterior so that's it's not just sale that talks about that there is there is that's relatively well established um within some Physics papers Dr H put off talks about that I think Eric Davis talks about that a little bit too uh I think laty talked about that um so there there's there is a precedent for a lot of this stuff in actual physics when you start start going into the deep and nitty-gritty of it and we're at the point now in 2025 it's been 31 years later we' have 31 years of warp drive research only two of those papers have actually been written by Dr uer himself the other like I think it's pushing almost 400 papers now that have worked their way into the perod viw you know they they've been done by other people and you have all these weird cool complex geometries with multi-layer you know multi-layer work drives people figuring out if you can use the cmir or if you need to take a complex pertivity to in order to uh mimic your your negative well and then you have other ones like uh like like lens and Heisenberg and Sean F who are finding out one step at a time one step at a time one step at a time so let's start with negative energy energy requirements so there's two ways to look at it right we either need negative energy which just cancels out the equations at that point it doesn't matter how much you need because you have access to negative energy right or we need a huge amount of energy that seems like an impossible amount those are two different approaches to it heck i' approached s I'd argued s argues both might be possible so we go ahead what is negative energy so there's just two two big things here we talking about negative energy and then low power warp drive um they are not necessarily mutually exclusive but they are two technically slightly different subjects we'll talk on the negative energy first and then we'll get into some of the lower energy or drive um stuff that come from after that you know this is this is like like this is the point that I was getting at is that this is a very complex topic that's that's evolved into hundreds of different papers and people that have different views on it and so how I was relating this back to your Elon Musk question is I can't blame him for not taking years of his time to go and actually read through all these hundreds of academic white papers when he's focused on making Rockets okay again don't attribute to malice what can just be incompetency you know should he be reading these papers 100% you know that I know that okay that being said the question is how do we get that now in order and I'm going to tie this back in your negative energy question please there's a big taboo that you can't have negative energy right what does this come back to are you familiar with the 1957 Chapel Hill conference um sounds really familiar so yeah once you give me the context I'll probably remember go ahead okay so back in tell the tell the audience anyway so um are you familiar much with like uh Eric Weinstein and Jesse Michaels they've talked about this a bit and K jle okay so the the the whole thing is is that back during the Golden Age of general relativity right um when you you had all these different people uh they were coming together post World War II and they wanted to have this big uh conference to figure out what the future of general relativity was going to be um for the future of physics and so you had all these people that came together at this place and it was sponsored um by funny enough right patters and Airfield not many people talk about that um the bab so agu banson and um Roger Babson who established the gravity search Foundation but then they were also working with Bry and Cecil DT uh and uh John archal Wheeler who was very interested in the idea of anti-gravity of the time um among the people that are there uh happen to be Thomas Townsen Brown um that's talked about in the book The man who mastered gravity which is a biography on um uh on on Thompson Brown is written by pal shot yeah anyway is there and again towns and Brown's whole idea was that if you have a if you have a charge produce with electric the Epsilon and you with dialectric between them you're going to get the negative Hill chaseing the positive Hill and then this is the prototype to your baby warp drive right okay so are you familiar with a man named Dr Herman Bondi Bondi yep negative Mass so Herman Bondi he was he was a yep exactly so he wrote the very familiar with him I'm familiar with him I'm familiar with um winterberg and the dirds uh that that were written about negative Mass negative energy so the reason why I'm asking you about negative Mass just because I I'll let you riff as long as you want frankly but I I've decided I should just instead of being koi just tell you my opinion straight for straight up which is that I believe that there really is an ether I think that science already agrees there's energy density in vacuum SpaceTime which just depends on what you call it 0 point energy negative energy or uh energy whatever kind of energy you want to call it there but essentially negative energy in my opinion so your point on your charge analogy that you were eloquently pointing out is going below equilibrium we're in equilibrium all the time we don't realize it because we're in it but Sal P constantly talks about non-equilibrium thermodynamics which is the idea that you can take something that naturally shouldn't break out of equilibrium but you can break it out like a bubble like take a bubble of energy out of nowhere and have it just coherently exist in our reality without going back to its or origin and that's what I think he's talking about with his space force paper so to me negative energy is not some exotic thing that the academics will tell you something that doesn't exist that's impossible almost everything in the equations is is basically been proven to exists it's usually a matter of our understanding and thinking about it and in this case I think if we change our perception of thinking about it to oh it's not this exotic substance It's Just Energy but it's negative because when you look at the math it's just if you look at a chart it's below zero everything below zero but doesn't mean there's nothing down here right there can be stuff above and below zero so anyway go ahead thank you for listening so this is getting directly into why today the um negative energy is supposed to be such a such a deoo thing so uh bony directly points out um probably semi prompted by some of the insights provided by town and brown because remember they were all up this trap Hill conference that if you have a a proverbial negative Mass within the within the context of general relativity because again you can have negative masses and you can have positive masses in general relativity the equation works both ways it allows for it okay um it would allow things for like unbounded acceleration and again so this is baby prototype to the warp drive it would also allow for other things like what at the time was called an Einstein Rosen Bridge more known today as a wormhole by the way that ter was going by John Wheeler um so if you have negative Mass you would allow things for like wormholes which they knew at the time would allow allow for things like bastard and light communication which now you have to start challenging the notion of causality and that is something that you might not want to do we can go two ways with this on on the decision tree um sorry let me SL one second because I want to say that um John archal Wheeler as well he also said along with Richard Fineman who won the Nobel Prize for Quantum electrodynamics that there's enough energy in the volume of this you know whatever jar here of empty space of the volume of empty space to boil all the oceans which he's essentially saying yeah that if you look at the vacuum catastrophe the answer is quantum you know quantum theory is correct there is a huge amount of energy untapped energy to be had and John archal Wheeler was also the inventor of the first fusion bomb I believe so those guys at a conference is awesome now tonight I don't want to talk too much about the causality time travel side I just want to talk about can we make like warp drives and and Sal patents and stuff related to that so that that was the so that was that was the exact point that I was getting at though is so that you can look at the decision tree two ways on this they could have found one option that the physics was very easily weaponized because let's not even look at the time travel let's not even look at the time travel side let's just look when you have two masses and they can go unbounded acceleration well if that all that can come to Hypersonic speeds instantly we can start making our you know Hypersonic weapons if you have Hypersonic weapons you can get really high energies without even needing a nuke and then you know this starts getting into some of the weapons applications of it so that might be one reason that you want to put put it into the dark and make it so that at least publicly negative mass is is a taboo thing we don't want to talk about because it can be easily weaponized the other way that we can that we could have talked about it is that now we have to start changing our theories because we have to start accounting for all these weird wibbly wobbly time travel things which you end up having to do anyways with a warp drive and the physics that come with any type of faster than my travel now why is this somewhat semi important to the negative Mass thing well you mentioned fine all right so going off F wheel learn all this what did they say that could be a candidate for negative Mass well okay it could be antimatter because what an antimatter could just be the it's it's the counterpart but going back in time um and that's what it would then it would uh look like it would have negative Mass from certain frames of reference so then this is where you would want to have matter antimatter collisions to get these schwinger effects because remember what are schwinger effects you're getting electron positron pair production electron positrons being the antimatter and then that causes a warping in SpaceTime so this it's very long- winded but this does come full circle back to P now I'm not sure if you caught in my interview where uh s says that he got some of these ideas after he left north of grman um what about that were you aware that some of uh were you aware that some of um towns and Browns intellectual property was sold to north of Gro in the 1960s mediated by the Rand Corporation no really the Rand Corporation mediated it Brown work to go to the north R Grumman didn't they did they produce any uh they did they produce the B2 who produced the B2 nor yeah they did pretty sure wow yeah because yeah it is it was produced by North R oh boy that's Su so you know where I'm getting at here looking at Brown what are the two things now preemptively I would like you to pull up the the Super Force paper for yourself on page three so where I put it when you have the negative and the positive charge plates what are the two things that that make the effect the strength of the to of the the Thoms and brown effect they're going to be the strength of the voltage at the charge plates is one thing yes but you know you're you going to be in page three up at the engineering the Super Force section now the other thing that dictates the strength of a time of of a towns and brown type gravitator is going to be what the strength of the dialectric sandwich between the conductive plates I.E you're going to be have a change in the refractive index you're going to be playing with Epsilon and mu so it will your strength of Epsilon and mu in here is going or in here is going to affect the strength of your charge plates what is that doing okay so looking back at our general relativity equation over here so can you just pause for just one sec because I just want to help out for for the audience who doesn't know when we're talking about mu and Epsilon we're talking about the refractive the perit permeability magnetic permeability and electric permitivity of uh a substance you know A Spacetime is considered to have one refractive index uh uh but any material that can have they have different properties part of the idea of this as well is if you change the property of SpaceTime which involves changing the electric and magnetic pertivity and permeability then you potentially can change the equations Okay jump back into it keep going all right so you have your G muu which is the the your your SpaceTime structure so this is your this is going to be your fabric space time that you can make your grid out and then we can get it we can get into what the T of relationship means on that if you want to but digressing this is going to be your coupling constant Okay the reason of the constant is going to be the seed the the speed of light over here okay now normally if this is constant for a given Gene you knew if you want to have if you want to have a you need to have a lot of uh so because this is is very weak CU what is this G over C to 4th that is the inverse plank Force right so it's not the plank Force it's the inverse plank Force so it's the opposite of the Super Force so instead of being super strong it's going to be super weak so when why is it Opposite what's the significance inverse so because the the Super Force or the plank Force right is going to be C to the 4th / G so you see how one's the denominator and one's the other so they're inverse of each other yeah yeah yeah okay so with this being very small so it's going to be 10- 44 Newtons instead of 10^ the 44 you need a lot of tal but what happens if you have have a material that has a refractive index that isn't the same as the vacuum all of the sudden now if you make K very large it's no longer a constant it's now a variable you can now get away with a very small amount of teamu mass energy this is the low energy warp drive part of it now where this is very good is while this again because of the Super Force paper this is something that sell directly talks about so this is good for him but who are some other people that have talked about this hell put off um has talked about something very similar to this uh Travis tellor has talked about something exactly like this Dr Jack are is talking about something very much like this Dr chance Glenn has talked about something very much like this even Dr White has talked about something very much like this about what happens if we can change the stiffness of SpaceTime what is the stiffness of SpaceTime it is the strength of this coupling constant so it's not just one part one physicist that's barking up this tree it's a bunch of them they're just not quite talking to each other the way they should why do you think all those people are saying that I mean to me the answer is pretty obvious and some of them has stated explicitly including how PUD off's former partner Ken shoulders who said well he learned in 1980 that the ether is real there really is an ether and then he started manipulating plasma because he realized once you realize space is an empty then now you've got a medium you can play with so you should be able to make bubbles and he was familiar we got be very careful here go ahead so one of the reasons that we have to be very careful here is that an ether would be a cosmological constant like substance key part there being a con this is not a constant this is a variable so now it's not a ether Theory anymore it's a quintessence Theory which is similar to Ether the only difference is it's a the cosmal constant will be time varying now the cool thing is about this is when you have this time varying thing you end up getting a phography of time and then on the at the boundary of this one side is going to be a positron field the other side is going to be an electron field one's going forward in time one's going back in time that's the boundary that's the deroy where you're stealing the free energy from okay wait so what's the name of my sort of like it's like is that the name of my theory the one you just said the old version of this would have been called yeah so an old version of this would have been called quintessence or quintessence um it's like it's like The Ether but it's a variable instead of being con so very very similar ideas I do I love things that are just better and quintessent is just better than ether so you know what we're going to roll with it I didn't really fully understand why the ether uh doesn't exist because honestly winterberg had plank ether hypothesis which I also read I kind of like it feels a little bit dated compared to where we're like at with Quantum mechanic Theory now but yeah about so one of the things about plank ether hypothesis is that he makes a wrong so wib I I have copy of it oh you're fine right you're you're referring to Dr oh God all so he makes a he makes a wrong prediction in that via his theory for the the strength of the of the higs B on so he gets you know his is probably right within a certain approximation but he does get a couple things wrong but like it's good to take some influence from winterberg because he does get a lot of things right but like take him with a slight grain of salt too is all I want to say so let me just say this though too and you know this isn't at you or really anyone in specifically but um I want to point out that I think part of the reason we haven't been able to uh get this this disclosure of this technology has been because nobody can agree on the little things so we can't all agree on the little things so therefore we're throwing out the big thing which is this idea that there's this energy all around us and we can tap into it we can interact with it it's like who cares whose like little Edge thing is correct or not and because we can't all agree on one thing that explains everything people just say okay we're just going to go back to our basic theory of general relativity like that's does you get that feeling because you just listen at all those scientists you know yourself and you're like oh they're not talking to each other or do you have a different interpretation of that there so there is a reason that some of the theories are at if you look at it under a fine enough microscope they are going to be slightly different and there are going to be little details we're like well if you're right and you're wrong then the ship might go left instead of right and we don't want to crash it and so you know there are going to be little squabbles among that but the problem comes in is that once you have a little squabble it becomes a big squabble and then they don't want to work together and that's the thing it's like you can't have these Purity tests like this is my big criticism of Academia is where it's like it's a fine line between yes we want to have this peer view versus people just start to become Gatekeepers and nobody can really agree but people kind of generally really do agree but they just got this internal politics at play and and it's like you what what's the answer to get through to that I really don't know but I just wanted to bring that up uh I want to dig more into warp drives because you are cooking my man right here and just to recap the equations that you see over here on the right basically we're saying if we can manipulate that the thing that was previously a constant which was the vacuum uh refractive index the pertivity and permeability of SpaceTime if you can make the refractive index negative then you've produced alub Alary's warp drive metric you you are the what the tool required for it yeah C equals 1 / the square root of the permea permeability and pertivity times one another so two ways and here's the thing where um there also this is where there's two schools of thought and and you tell me just which one you're on the saradis of the world would say that you need a meta material to do it because they're saying that oh well SpaceTime is empty you can't manipulate the vacuum itself you need a meta material so you need a flying saucer or something like that right that has been engineered with the exact right chemical composition almost like a microchip that's been built up at you know big enough to house somebody and then and yeah I think H the other view of it uh the let's call it the Hal POF View and Eric W Davis is that you can manipulate the vacuum and that if you polarize the vacuum which is equivalent to just electrically charging it like Thomas Townson Brown effect that you space which theive index yeah and then when you look at that From aart perspective microscopic and then even once you look at it from a genuinely just charge perspective you can easily polarize it positively or negatively so then haven't you just solved so your negative energy problem look at me cook so on one hand you don't need turns out there's a lot of different ways you're going to be be able to build a warp drive there's going to be a lot of different ways to SK this cat you know it's kind of like on one asking how do we you know who's right how do we build a warp drive it's kind of like asking like who's right what's the one way that we can use the the concept of thermodynamic expansion of entropy to turn uh expanding heat into rotational energy to move something okay well we could do a a steam engine we could do a piston engine we could do a jet engine like there's there's a lot of different ways that still use the same core concept but in terms of how they're engineered is actually quite different so I think we need to get a get away from the idea of that it's only sarfatti or it's only put off or it's only if you actually go and look into the nitty-gritty there's so many similarities between them so if you look into so if you look at Jack's paper is here in the volume one of the compendium gra volume one right y so it's he a 2021 H we should respect all of them but jck F's wrong we don't need aend material we can we can we can manipulate space time directly I'm I'm confident he's right and he's wrong there's a difference between saying that we don't we don't needand material we can use plasmas now that being said yes we still can use material why should we have to choose one or the other this is the Tim point that I'm getting at you should the seems like the best way to do this is going to be is going to be able to do both once you've solved what you've got on the board which is probably just the most important part once you've said okay we can change the speed of light right like look at what's on the board right now for my audience if you're if you're just listening on audio it says big g equals 8 Pi H times Big G / C to the^ of 4 uh times this energy requirement we've got okay so the energy requirement we got is going to change based on that c to the power of four and when you look at C to the power the C that's the speed of light very big number no so C to the power four is gonna be a huge number c to C equals one ided the square root of the permea livity and electric permeability times one another so if you manipulate those Vari those what we think of is constants and they become variables now you change your value for the speed of light in Einstein's equations now you've changed your energy requirements I mean that's beautiful to your point and it's just I want to answer real quick one one thing is that why does it matter in terms of who's right or wrong you're right it doesn't at the end of the day and yes at that of course with meta materials we can do basically just anything it's an engineering challenge from that perspective and it's a matter of like how are we going to do it first all right the first way is probably going to be whatever is most natural right that we can do easiest as opposed to like 3D printing a UFO from atomically from scratch anyway go ahead yeah and there's going to be different levels of this I would say that maybe like do you know what the Ford quadricycle was so not like 1986 you had the Ford quadricycle it was Ford's first like handb built car before he even went production value on it before he even settled like the the Ford Model T production lines um anyways why this is why where this analogy comes in is that towns and Brown and his gravitator I would say is the Ford quadricycle of War Drive and that there's going to be hundreds of iterations of slight improvements on the designs over over the period of time of a civilization that's going to have this uh this material and so it would make sense that a lot of UFO events are going to be slightly different in categorization it makes sense that they're not all the same but there's going to be similarities between them and to to get back on on some of the point on why we need to look past on some of the squabbling differences between some of these people let's let's keep going with sarfati and put off as a as a beautiful example of this um I have respect for both men jack um me and me and Jack get along more than Jack gets along with most people I have a lot of respect for the guy um if you look and actually read like The nitty-gritty of his papers instead of getting caught up that it cause everybody a schmuck because if let's be honest that's that's what he does um he says right here in his 2022 paper lectures in uip UFO metric engineering physics like right on page two again he's talking about the the same thing where here he has almost the exact same equations written just with a slightly different notation and he's talking about where use the effect pertivity and there is several conceptual errors and the conventional wisdom group think it is argued that the vacuum speed of light is the same all over the universe in every direction uh we now know from Quantum field theory that this may not be true because of the actual values of the vacuum primitivity and Prim primitivity are contingent on the Dynamics of real Photon scattering of virtual charge or uh particle zero point fluctuation zpf the dominant process for and if you go and it's almost almost word for word exactly the same thing as what put offs work is again no he's definitely stealing put offs work no question I mean I'm just calling Jack out Jack if you're out there uh stop stealing people's work it's pretty obvious you're just like stealing off you're like the kid in he's the kid in class looking at the pick kid next to one's work right because POF already wrote All That in what 1987 before that you can tither back put off was asked I don't know if you saw that episode that was that podcast Episode by NASA that was uh just a few months ago he gets asked when he learned about Zero Point Energy and there's a hard edit all of a sudden and you can tell and they just they edit the answer out which so anyway not to disrespect Jack he's a smart guy there was um there's a recording you can find out there so Jack had worked with um put off back in the 70s um on a lot of this stuff and so that's probably where some of the where they get some of the similar ideas came from is because they were working on on the same CIA program back in the day and that's a that's a detail that a lot of people either Overlook or don't know about um so you know take that for what you will regardless of who's right or wrong with this I mean they're Spooks and and you have a lot of you have a lot of high sorry I was just going to say that you have high you have aot of high level people here that are either oh sorry you go ahead now we're drinking okay let just yeah you have a high LEL you have a lot of high level either government or academic people who are saying at some level that this is possible they might be a little COI on the details but I mean that's kind of like how the nuclear program works too I mean like we know the nuclear bombs are are possible but if you ask to someone the nitty-gritty on how you make fog Bank they're not going to tell you so okay let's let's actually refocus it back because you mentioned your example of the quadricycle and people racing to get it done well I have another story it's called the segue I don't know if you're familiar with the segue but it was supposed to be this revolutionary scooter that everybody was to get but then it ended up costing like $5,000 being this big huge meltdown and now you sometimes see people driving them around for as a joke but just because people have an idea doesn't necessarily they're gonna make it it's not going to be commercialized and I think this is part of the problem too because if people aren't working together towards a common public goal then you know Jack's working with somebody on this over here Hal's working with these people over there you know first of all how is a public ever know anything's accomplished we just don't because all these people are just working on private Endeavors and second of all um like if they're not working together how can it be very efficient on something that would you know produce in a warp drive like this figuring out that on the board will change the world and then if somebody did figure out maybe this is the most important question do they have a public duty to tell the world that they've figured out if you have an experiment that you can show it proves of what all these people are saying that you can manipulate the speed of light by manipulating refractive index of SpaceTime or whatever uh however they do it do you have a do you have a vested does a public have a vested public interest to know that what's your opinion you have to tell people I could understand I I could understand both camps now that being said it is also possible to understand something and disagree with it yeah there's a really there's an interesting video on rand's website for the Rand Corporation Called if you if you if you go on your Google like I think it's called like Hypersonic weapon nonproliferation you can take that cont text and you can apply it directly to this I mean like why is why is it that no one's worried about North Korea's nukes they have nukes everybody knows they have nukes how come nobody's worried about it this guy we don't have a delivery system right so what happens if you have something that a is a delivery system that can go anywhere in the world like that and B you don't even need to put a bomb on it anymore because it can be the bomb you could make an argument that maybe we should classify some of this stuff now that being said you could also could have made the same argument that no we so what if we had a bunch of satellites in the sky and if you put a little chip a little device it could tell you exactly where you are on the planet that could be used for targeting that could be used for all kinds of weird things really good military applications but maybe we shouldn't uh put it out there for uh everyone to use but that's exactly what GPS is and so granted the the civilian version that we got wasn't quite as accurate as the military version but eventually there was a trickle down um now our versions might have not have been as good right off the bat but if you go today the GPS on your phone they can track you within a meter of anywhere where you are like bet that was military grade back in the 90s so there's it's always a it's always a very interesting debate on you know should the military industrial complex get it should it go open source I mean because you can man you can make so many arguments either way for it and you can make arguments that there's really shitty F figures in government that are going to use it for nefarious reasons but then you can make that about everything it's a really more it's a very good moral question what do you think I think that we need to ask the question because like you just said I've asked a lot of people that question and almost every single one reacts the same way you did which is like uh I don't know what do you think and I think you put it really eloquently which is you can understand a Viewpoint and not agree with it at the same time right which is I understand why they're keeping secret that they figured this out probably like 50 to 70 years ago but at the same time I don't agree with it right like yes to your point and you brought up yeah number one analogy that everyone out there should understand on terms of if you want to really understand the why if you one of the people saying like no no no it's not that dangerous why is no one afraid of North Korea's nukes it's not even the delivery system we're not afraid of the delivery system their delivery system is too slow we have some that can take their their nuke and warp it back onto them we have warp nukes a warp nuke is Unstoppable because like as Dan just pointed out that we don't even need the nuke anymore it itself is a weapon and then if we want it's also a perfect defense mechanism can just do whatever we want right so are you with a paper from uh Jessica Santiago's team called uh it's like tress or stressor presser and tractor beams within the confines of general relativity no but pretty conf I'm familiar with those ideas yeah so those are legit things you just like warp drive you know we can manipulate the equations of general relativity um and we can get those effects now it turns out if you build a warp drive within a certain way it can also make do these stressor beam and pressor beam and tractor beam effects now it turns into gravitational um directed energy weapons which can be good for some things and bad for other things and we could come up with really good medical uses and how this could be good for really precise medical surgeries and I mean like there's are a lot of good things that could come from it or a lot of bad could come from it too um now why energy weapons are actually only used pretty sure someone told me if you look if you look at the intricacies of pretty much everything that pise and sarfatti and all these guys working on warp drives are doing versus what Santiago is doing with the stress readings it's their the work drive stuff is working with near Fields whereas the weaponization pro process it's all gravitational wave stuff but one's the near field effects the weaponization is the far field effects um now so stressors and pressors is just a fancy way of direct weapons pretty much just so I'm catching on to that so A all right so a trct beam will pull something to you a press beam so a pressor beam will push something away from you and then a stressor beam will either like squeeze or rip something apart interesting so because we've strayed pretty far from the topic of Sal's patents the stressor at least the presser however you want to look at it have we though the weapon is we're on the weaponization aspects of it you just revealed my that was going to be the whole reveal I was going to say that it seems like we've gone away but not really because a I mean the warp drive thing is at least one or two of his patents but also now we're talking about stressor and pressor um I was just watching a video on on Friday on my live stream where you know I think it could be argued that Tesla found out that under high voltages high frequen frequency potentially res some resident frequency um the currents uh the force flow will suddenly act scaler uh pressure-wise will either press inward or outward and if gravity is just a pressure Force then that is that that stressor pressor Force I think that's because all just goes back to elect uh electric charge what are your thoughts on on that not to far I love the idea my specialties is more on warp driving of the the weaponization aspects oh you don't want to make a doomsday weapon that would probably be a better question for like Santiago I mean like so do you know what a do you know what a phased array is um yeah I mean it's like a line in an array of like microchips or something go ahead sort of so okay so normally when you have an antenna right so you have an antenna and then you broadcast waves and 360 60 degrees from it right okay well if you look at some of these uh Radars that are in the fronts of in the front of jet aircraft or let's look at a civilian application for the same technology let's look at a starlink antenna because a starlink antenna is just a phase array antenna um you're going to look and you're going to have a little transceiver module that has a little little tiny directional you know a little little tiny antenna on here hooked up to your to your CPU module and power your CPU and power module and it's send out waves okay what happens if you put another one next to it and you start doing the same thing okay well if you know anything about physics you know you're going to start getting constructive and deconstructive interference through here okay so you're some of these are going to cancel and and some are going to so if you do enough of these and you make a plurality of them you can start to manipulate the beam here this is the whole point of the phased array system is now on if you have enough of these and you put them together and you get really good in your computation instead of transmitting in 360 Degrees you can do directional beam steering so you can do a tightbeam transmission so to speak now the thing is if you look at cell's papers which I have over here not his pattern his papers but different on them actually these are written quite better one of the things that he talks about is that in his uh in the resonant cavity right so looking looking at his patent he has he has the the frontal view that's going to be one and so this is your resonant cavity happening in here going we go to a side view this is your resident cavity where you're going to have the weird PL plasma action going on um what he talks about keep that up in the patents he talks about how there's a microwave emitter that you use to accelerate the frequency of the gas well if you read the papers which again new are public so I should be okay talking about this he says to use a plurality of microwave Ms what is a plurality of antennas that's a phased aray system so so you want to make the whole entire cavity lined with these phased array antennas you can actually do this on the inside and the outside you can get your multi-layer work drive this gets gets gets into event broke methods and then actually if you want to get really clever in it you can take AA metam material and then you can sandwich it in between here and that'll help reduce your effects even more again there's a ways that you can blend these techniques together anyways what starts to happen here is when you're doing that around the whole craft that's how you control how you steer it but now that's the near field effects let's think about the far field effects because we have the same thing here all we have to do is just play with the with the strength of our phaser rottin here and play with how the beam forming is and now all of the sudden the same skin of The Craft that we are using for propulsion becomes our directed energy gravitational weapon so again this plays back into the idea that or the age-old idea that any propulsion systems Effectiveness as a propulsion system is directly proportional to its use as a weapon system wow bro um wow uh sorry what do you do what's your like job H oh I I um you said stuff about you have to be careful what you say I don't know are you afraid of something sorry go ahead no no I just re respect for sale on certain things that he asked me to uh not say publicly oh okay got it oh okay I just trying to make sure you're not uh you know under some ndas or something about what you're talking about because to be honest my man you are cooking wow amazing this is going pretty much like I expected a little bit better honestly and I still have quite a few more questions the near field versus farfield stuff I'm gonna have to look into but I love that idea of it and yeah reality is it's a weapon man it's a weapon it's a doomsday weapon no question s's highfrequency gravitational wave generator patent says in no uncertain words that you could amplify energy and use a plurality of these devices aligned around a planet and annihilate the whole planet Cause A Spacetime collapse in the vicinity one way you could do it but there's more efficient ways that you could I mean if we really wanted to get our monkey brains going crazy Dr Doom up here okay okay let him go there's more efficient ways okay I'm just mess you you there do you know what relativistic kill weapon is did you ever read you body problem did you ever read the body problem right now yeah three body problem oh no I haven't read it and let's not spoil it because there's like a new season coming out but I heard it's gonna be pretty dark oh man that's ah I'm gonna enjoy it uh okay and let's not get too dark on this I guess let's let's let's change the topic creativity good things yeah something better um okay so my chat wants and I I you know what it's not even my chat it's me I'm not going to blame my chat it's time to show you some videos okay so the only reason why I'm even doing this why am I even doing this why do I even live stream chat I don't know um is because these videos here go ahead D MH370 videos yeah I'm gonna I'm going to break it out you're the opinion what that that they're fake or what what's your opinion I am of the opinion that no piece of video evidence is ever going to be conclusive for the standards of academic proof and I think that a way that we can reframe a lot of This research around work drives isn't to call it UFO technology or UFO patents I think that's a disservice to sale I think we can reframe it in a way that'll be much more palatable to physicists by calling warp drive what it is and that's another prediction of our most successful Theory being general relativity much the same way that gravitational waves and black holes are a prediction of general relativity I think once we can get the rest of the academic field to start adopting that mindset we could have a technology demonstrator within 10 years um and that's just starting absolutely from scratch what we know now in the public assuming no black government program already has it somewhere in the back um because no video is ever going to hold up to the idea of scientific proof while something might hold in a courtroom there's a difference between something holding in a courtroom to persuade a jury of peers versus something needs to reach five Sigma with the data that is provided and I I like taking more of a scientific approach um I I don't have the direct sensor data to to look at that to to see what but I I just don't know enough to to comment yeah you you let's dig into it let's dig into it let's not be shy let's not be shy look at what we're looking at right off the bat here so right off the bat here these dark lines in front of these orbs like what are we dealing with here because this right here there's been nothing like this ever in any videos like are you familiar with go ahead North Sentinel Island yeah what is that some oh man uh I can't remember is that the one where they think people there's like some ancient civil or ancient technology or something yeah so at the end so this is the in the anaman islands in the Indian Ocean you have this one island called North Sentinel Island they have one of the the few pretty much uncontacted tribes left um in oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and you have to wonder are they are they under are they themselves in a zoo hypothesis like scenario with yeah the government of India being the zookeepers when when you start thinking about it objectively and analytically turns out the is yes okay yeah if we're going to use now this Zoo hypothesis scenario that we have as a case study right here on Earth in the Indian Ocean right we can um we can extrapolate this out a little uh a little bit I think to the the scenario that we might be in with some of these UAP if you look at attempts to make contact with these North Sentinels anytime you go on the island you die basically is what happens uh they kill you they they appear to be very territorial probably because in the 1800s you had this weird English men that came that came that's a digression of a story anyways they are not friendly to people who could come on their Island um much like humans might not be friendly people that come here um now there have been some positive interactions though between the Islanders and uh the larger world but it always happens on the water because the Islanders they have canoes themselves they have their own little tiny mini shitty spaceships that are nothing compared to our great big vessels but they still have them so every now and again again you'll get one of their fishermen will run into a more modernized fishermen out in the water and they you know might exchange some fish or you know they might give them a CO you know coconut and there there will be a friendly exchange instead of a hostile one well what is the difference between this friendly exchange and this hostile exchange it's where it's happening it's not happening on the island anymore it's happening in a more Mutual territory it's happening out in the sea a place where it is hostile to both of this so I personally I'm not interested in trying to prove the validity of the MH370 videos or the Tic Tac video or the gimbal video or you know insert your whatever UFO pop culture video you want here I am more interested in convincing physicists that this is a prediction of general relativity so we can try to engineer our own ship to go because obviously trying to H trying trying to contact them from the islands not working so I would rather try to build a ship of my own so I can go out there intercept pull pull a side next to them open up a haing frequency and say hey nice to meet you on neutral ground who are you why are you here and I think that'll be a more productive Way Forward for Humanity so I do too and I totally agree with you we're definitely in a zoo or a prison or you know something dark which is probably also why they're not telling us it's not just the technology probably also some deeper understanding about our place in this universe that a lot of you probably aren't ready for but to your point about what your goals are now I'm not asking you this because I'm gonna then post your this guy says the videos a real thing okay that's not my objective in asking this my objective in asking this is I already know this video is real I already know this video is real I already found the guy that leaked the video I found more that you could possibly ever ask now what I want is if you look at it based on what we just disc discussed about the warp drives I already found that no question no doubt this is based on how PUD off's Zer Point Energy model and many other people like you you know the names of the people better than I do what have you but they're manipulating negative energy in front of them why why do I know that because it's cold it's just thermodynamics they're either breaking the laws of thermodynamics or they're manipulating Zero Point Energy in front of them this video is being recorded because in thermal part well partially because it's night time but the other reason is because they want whoever's going to see this Hal POF might have seen this video or Eric W Davis one of those guys why because the Navy is recording this they're not just recording this the reason why nobody will talk about this video I'm gonna tell you right now the reason why people are blackballing me and what have you it's not because I'm coming up some wacky Theory it's because this video shows it's not aliens maybe there are aliens sure I'm not saying that there aren't I'm just saying in this case right here whatever those orbs are the United States government and navy is controlling them because this whole thing is an operation there's no way this whole operation was going down and then alien orbs came down in the middle of it and did what they're about to do to this plane now the last thing I want to point out is look at the heat signatures of the orbs you were just talking about stressors and pressers and boy this was hard to figure out I'm going to tell you as an IT guy that knew nothing about this it turns out this is a combination of like Ken shoulders exotic vacuum objects plasma orbs and also like now I realize why s wanted to talk to me this is his fusion reaction patent basically here and the heat signature is this like it looks like a Tesla sign turns out extremely distinct heat signature for Fusion extremely distinct but look at the temperature that temperature that orb even the hot SP the electrons the yellow the greenish part that's still like almost lighter than the plane so that's actually really cold so this would speak to these things are manipulating potentially both forms of warp drive you're talking about but at least the low energy warp drive version because that thing's white hot so if so here's the thing though if there's going to be negative energy there's going to be a blue shift towards hotter radiation towards warmer radiation which would mean that the flash of the light that's dark there at the end should be warm if there's a blue shift instead of a red shift I I okay so this is kind of getting into what I was saying of like I I have not spent the last 10 years of my life investigating UFO that videos I'm like I I had a UFO experience myself 10 years you know 11 years ago now and people don't need to prove to me that UFOs are real what's what you just said the physics you know the story part's great but here's the thing what you just pointed out was really interesting because yes it seems like there might be both things happening one thing I want to point out is at the same time you have this there's three frames this plane is gone in2 seconds so if you imagine this as a d stabilization of space time it's a hole that's being opened up for 02 seconds and actually in the four frames you can actually see it open and close as well you can see that thing potentially just completely disappear um so it shows that if there is this negative energy then it's a matter of ripping through the fabric of space time the other thing I want to point out too when you look at this this looks just phys when you look at it the the orientation of the orbs around the plane does that not remind you of what like the ring formation in M gal on like the warp drive like theoretical warp drive views they always have this like ring around an object and then the last thing too is that what if the way they're manipulating SpaceTime well one way is that they're just using plasma to do it and the balls are plasma themselves here and but so sorry I the last thought and I swear that I'll let you jump in and please address any and all of these points is that you can see the endothermic event here the black cold event but in the actual satellite video that went along with it which is some kind of false color infrared not exactly sure but it's like some Advanced uh Fusion of uh sensor data they have here when you watch this version of it from a different angle you can see an actual release of photons you see that zap happen there the reason we know this zap isn't just some cheesy effect is because it reflects off the clouds so this would require somebody would have had to make a 3D model for this just to get the lighting right so you can see it actually release photons now I want to get your opinions on this because first of all man I'm just going to be real with you there's no way anybody there's no Banksy physicist out there making fake videos like this is going to know all this because as you're going to probably say here I'm just actually you know what I'm just going to be upfront about it the release of photons speaks directly to the dynamic Casmir effect in terms of using and the Casmir effect is how we might be able to produce negative energy and what happens in that is they produce real photons and this was experimentally shown back in like 2011 or something like that um and then the rest of it basically is uh Eric W Davis and how put off SpaceTime metric engineering and negative energy it's not the P effect and the P effect P effect it's not the P effect the reason that it would be no the reason that it wouldn't be and I I will forgive sell for overlooking this very specific detail is that when you go into the math of his own theory on on the controlled motion of electric re charge amount or something rapid acceleration transients in order to get the G effect when you get this coupling between Spin one and spin two the yes you are going to produce photons when you're breaking the schwinger limit when you're making one of these artificial black holes you're going to produce photons 100% the thing is you're only going to produce one very specific frequency of photon specifically 511 Kev photons which fall into the gamma range which you wouldn't pick up on optical sensors I I I don't I don't know enough about the videos so I I don't I don't want to comment directly one way or the other without having the same information that you've seen about them so if you'd be willing to share some of the information would be for me to take a look at I'd be more than happy to on some of my own time but I just I don't like about things in general had a chance to put a lot of research into them you know yeah sorry I wasn't trying to Ambush you on it I just think it's relevant to the warp drive discussion and uh yeah and so and I want to know this stuff like you just mentioned like the gamma dve thing because a there's either an explanation for it or maybe they're just seeing it maybe it's some kind of hyperspectral camera because they have that as well um let me look back here at what else I wanted to point out about that oh but there's something else I like I that was related to the near field and far field I mean there's just too many similarities between just the science you just independently describe the science for the first hour and then I show you these videos and the near field versus the far field effects well what are the near field effects in that video the near field effects are the orbs pulling themselves at subluminal speeds but at the beginning of the video the orbs are moving at roughly 2,000 to 3,000 miles per power so they have perfect speed control but then we also see they have farfield effects as well they can converge and why are they converging it's actually very simple physics it's kum's equation kum's Force as the distance between the orbs gets smaller the force increases exponentially this is why it has to be the swinger limit it has to to be the P effect that's exactly what p is saying is that increase the energy density but yeah but it could also just be the other thing too is it looks like a low energy phase transition as well because it's not like it's annihilating the scenery you know everything seems to stay in place for the most part I mean there's a little bit of movement but it's not like all of a sudden the clouds are bursted away in a nuclear you know explosion or something like that um and I guess I just bring this up because I think to your point people already have it they've already got it they've already got it figured out I think they're hiding it for all the logical reasons you came up with which are beautiful by the way you come up with all the right reasons for why they're hiding it it's not as simple as evil good like that you know it's like a matter of annihilation um and then the question is so do we what do we do to get this out there and I'm glad you brought up this idea of I you reminded me that you had this idea that we might be able to do this within like 10 years if with enough funding with what go ahead with enough funding and enough Resources with the funding and the resources I thought you know what what if we start like a public project like and what would our goal be because what we need to be able to do is basically teleport my Coke bottle from here to you right over here on the other side of the screen like imagine if all of a sudden I move this and now the coke bottle is in your room you know but it actually is not a magic trick if we could actually do it but if we could teleport something it wouldn't have to be far we just have to get in recorded teleport something from one spot to another and if we could do that we would that would be it that would prove everything right it would prove warp drive better better off doing a small scale warp drive that you can easily scale on Cube SATs and then scale up production from there the problem is they already do that witha effect yeah exactly um so uh so you're familiar with uh Charles and Drew down at Exodus they have the uh it's a continuation of the bfield brown so bfield Brown effect is a baby warp drive we can improve upon it from there what we again what what we were saying earlier and about how bfield Brown is related to PES is that they both say the strength of your warp drive is going to depend on the Epsilon and you the strength of your dialectric sandwich between the ples there so we have ways that we can we already have baby War tries working in a Labs okay perfect let's get funding for these guys so they can start putting them in Cube sat so we can start having satellites in orbit that can adjust and re orbit without having to carry fuel okay that's going to sell great use the funding for that do the next generation of research it has to be iterative on top of that on top of that go contact gr hoden with the zc Institute where he's talking about doing the same thing where you take the the the you take the the plasma fields and then you compress them using a war you make a warp field then that's how that that's how you can do Fusion from here and again then I some will argue is that once you have this Fusion that's power that's mediated by general relativity um by General relativistic corrections which was something that winter worked on that will be that can be the it's an analogy that I want you don't just start the the gasoline engine in your car right you have to use an electric motor to give it enough of a kick to turn over in order to fire up the the the the the regular engine I think that Fusion will essentially be the car starter for the Zero Point Energy if that Mak sense so I think the problem with all of that is it's already all been done and like you're correctly pointing out that it's a process but it hasn't been scaled like go ahead it hasn't been sure it's been done but it hasn't been scaled it hasn't been made public and it hasn't been put into the public do it hasn't been put out at a wide enough view yet um some of it needs to be open source some of it might be being suppressed this comes into the question here what is the best way of getting this technology out into the public domain in a way that the public will benefit from it that is the million dollar question isn't it I think if I had the answer to that I'd be a lot richer than I am yeah and so the problem there is that a lot of people have tried basically everything just going to go solo mode for just a second so people have basically tried everything when it comes to Bringing out this technology from a gravity perspective from a free energy perspective they've tried everything and that you find that essentially a lot of people just fail they spend their whole lives trying to bring a public trying to invent something never do anything then you have the people that are successful and then they entually just sell out so then it stays buried either way and then you have the people that want to be Noble and those people end up getting silenced blackmailed or you know worst case scenario they end up suiciding themselves tragically bullets in the back of the head fell off off the balcony clumsy clumsy clumsy so I think it becomes and then you have the people like even the new the new people who are like the Greers of the world who spoken to all the legit people and they say oh we're gonna make this laboratory and this laboratory is going to be like film it's gonna be big brother we're gonna have recordings everywhere everything's going to be recorded nothing bad can happen and you're like that's just not feasible it' be expensive and like like the real question is produce something for me that's undeniable because the Byfield Brown effect people do that uh even Falcon space Labs did a recreation of in a vacuum chamber showed thrust uh Charles beer did over 3,000 experiments they've shown thrust so it works in a vacuum does it get recognition no recognition whatsoever this is the part where I think people discount what I do as an influencer which is I say that tongue and Chic because I'm just an influencer but the reality is you got to show me something that's actually impressive and so I think what it would really take to convince people is not going to be oh I've lifted something off the ground cool it's just ionic wind bro right they're going to debunk you like that it's going to be you need to literally just if we teleport something from one room to the next and find a way to do that at a low budget that can be easily done I think that might be something that can break the camels back but I don't know ultimately at the end of the day if there was an easy way to do it it would already been done I I think that's a good note for is it's easy to do that it would have already been done at least on the teleportation side um I I think I'll push back a little bit on the the the bfield brown stuff because with with um Charles G and Drew and um Mark some of Mark's Work at Falon space i' I've been to Falcon space I've been I've been down to the lab uh nice people um there's a difference between there's there's a lot of times there's a disconnect between one technology is first recognized behind the scenes by people know that something's even impressive and then there's going to be other people say well oh okay cool it moved okay so what okay well because they don't understand the implications of how it's moving and I don't think that necessarily the problem here is that people have have that bad technology no we found stuff like this that works and now we just need to improve upon it the issue is more people suck at marketing and people are corruptible yeah um and that that is a problem it's us the problem was always us and the problem with the weaponization is us too us is the common denominator which honestly you're going to make me go down my villain Arc so I probably should back away a little bit from that but let me ask you one other bir burning question before I forget about it how much do you know about matter waves and the reason why I bring this up is that locki Martin has a coherent matter wave beam patent from 2013 and my understanding of matter wave would be this idea that you could actually get solid matter to act like a bz on to to basically collapse down to a single point where it becomes a wave so basically like rebuilding the double slit experiment which also then again reminds me of teleportation because that's basically macroscopic macroscopic Quantum coherence which plays back into cell Quantum program you have Quantum program matter which you can do so what what do a b say or or some of these things you're getting the you're the you're getting the all the electrons or whatever matter you're is going to be in this whatever particular state that you're doing uh it's described by a single wave function instead of individual now this starts to get and like really esoteric of like how are we going to interpret the way function and then you know what does the reality mean based on what interpretation that we have and it starts to get really really complex from there wait so keep going about programmable matter tell me everything you know about programmable so basically you're saying so you're saying that Bose Einstein condensate is basically like program rable matter because you're getting not necessarily basic substance to act like one solid wave function like one solid thing that's wild to me because going back to those MH370 videos I imagine if you want to read about Quantum programmable matter there's going to be a DD that I think was written by Eric Davis for the assap program that you can find that's pretty pretty sure L titled Quantum uh Quantum program prog or something like that um but yeah if you go you find out it's it's one of the DS that got released um for the asset program and you'll be able to learn more from that paper than I'll be able to tell you that's interesting so I can't tell you a lot about it personally but I can point you into the direction of something where you can learn you think that would be a method for potentially teleporting somebody for teleporting solid objects like is that teleportation is now a is teleportation instant okay that's faster than light what is faster than light travel faster than light travel is time travel now we have to start so where is it going to now you start getting back reactions now those other things that now you start getting paradoxes how do we solve the paradoxes from here do is it Novac covs conjecture is it many worlds is it a hybridization between the two probably a hybridization between the two again this this is why physics is like so hard for it it's really hard to bridge the gap between like where PhD talk and most other people because there's a certain point where it's hard to talk about this stuff without equations and then the moment you equ most people's eyes just start glazing over and you know views go down and it's you don't need equations for time travel though right like I understand the equations for gravity and because it's important it's imperative to discussion to describe that we're basically cheating the equations by reducing the refractive index of the medium that's important when you're talk about time travel you don't need the equations to know it's like oh do I believe there are multiple worlds and I go to Ultimate Universe about F mechanisms yeah right and but sure but even in that situation it's like is the time deterministic or not right end of the day we're still here and if you're GNA say that you might invent time travel at any point in the future then at some point if time was deterministic someone's going to mess something up and maybe we're stuck in that maybe that's the prison we're stuck in I don't know but man for me it's like the only way we're going to figure that out is if we test it and try it so that's one of the areas where I tell people a lot of people ask me like you think they went to the Future you think it's like manifest in that video and I tell people I don't know because I don't have enough data but what I will tell people is that those phones were still ringing the the families were claiming the phones were still ringing for four days so I don't think they were in the plan the point the reason that I keep bringing up time travel the the reason I keep bringing up time travel is that it's inherently tied to this topic unfortunately as hard as it is to think about and all the Mysteries and weird mind-bending paradoxes that we have to start thinking about it because any any system this is just how the physics works by via um a let me ask you a smart question ask smart question let me ask you a smart one on time travel okay right because I I just this is a thought experiment okay I have a Stargate here on the surface of Earth and the other side of the Stargate is on Mars okay and if I step through that Stargate I instantaneously am on Mars and if I step back through that Stargate I'm once again instantaneously back on Earth but each time I step through the Stargate I'm always at a later Point than I was when I previously had entered the other side so I can go through the Stargate on Earth go to Mars go outside and wave at Earth go back through the Stargate show up in the Stargate my girlfriend is still right next to me or whatever in the Stargate look up and see myself waving at myself now does that break causality go ahead what are your thoughts on that how does that work says that's break Earth yes that is faster than light travel yeah causality broken the universe doesn't have to make sense who says that the causality was a thing there to begin with again so this get this ties directly back to what I started with earlier on the the 1957 Gravity Research um the the Chapa Hill conference there and that one of the reasons that they suppressed the idea of negative energy is because it inevitably leads to systems that break our notion of causality and that's more than most people want to think about now you can go two ways from it there you you can take the that you physics can start to Branch from here you can say okay we're going to accept that causality might not it might be a human construct it might be a false Axiom to imply to apply come our our Theory of Everything okay what does the worldview look like then okay that's one that's one program we can do the other thing that we can do is we can say okay we're humans we know causalities of things we can bake it into the aums of our equations and we'll see what's there but then you start it starts to lead to some of these problems cality right like you look at Einstein's equations and what's the big thing about relativity is frames of of reference is that in no matter what frame of reference it me in my own local frame of reference I always experience time at a normal quote unquote rate and this is the rub that how P OB that if I'm inside the warp bubble and I do a measurement the speed of light will just be the standard constant speed of light but if I'm on the outside of the bubble looking in now it won't be anymore so it's kind of like you're doing an optical illusion to the SpaceTime in general so that's exactly what's happening with war bubble is locally you're not breaking the speed of light but somebody looking at you from the outside they're going to what look like something that breaking the speed of light now what what's an ALB Air Drive that's passing super luminy going to look like it's actually going to appear out of nowhere and then it's going to split apart in two different directions that's what it's going to look like to an outside Observer really cool cra yeah the thing is but cality is not being broken in that example even though I'm looking at myself on Mars waving at myself which should be impossible there's no way for me to change anything in the past I can't change what I'm waving at myself or anything like that right and I can't go back through the portal I can't go through the portal and get there before I was waving there's no scenario in which I can do that and I can't get over this I keep between that portal but if you have another portal or say a mechanism that can open and close different portals at will like that's actually what would a transition between sub to Super luminal travel and a warp drive would be would probably be like now let's say if you have a portal that you can steer around that's essentially what a warp drive is now you can start doing all kinds of things where you can start playing and rotating your light cone to get it to overlap and past adjacent light cones which normally would be out of your causal regions you can start to make Clos timelight curves start to make things that are like closed timelight curves but they don't connect back on each other and this starts to turn into a form of time travel within the Multiverse this is why you have to have your navigational equations to be so precise you convinced me we need equations you convinced me you won that argument Mark that um no that's a great conversation and I curious there's a certain point equations yeah so what is your just give me though what is your since we didn't really ask and I want to know I mean what's your opinion and I'm not ask once again asking for a philosophical answer just give me where do you lean in terms of do aliens exist and which are obviously the cutest of all of them and then uh what do you think about the answer to the time travel thing do you think there's many worlds do you think it's deterministic like the show dark or whatever like what what are your opinions so time travel is definitely a thing again so this this gets into the whole what the temporal compendiums about have you ever heard of Dr Barack shashani he's someone that you should look into um so he's a he's a physics professor at Brock University and and starting in 2019 he put out a he started putting out a beautiful series of papers where he continues on the work of David Deutsch um who made the connection between time travel and many worlds by the way and goes and he deuts he makes the philosophical argument very convincingly that faster than light systems being time travel only work in a mult in a many worlds type Multiverse Barack shashani he takes the idea the the DCTC model and he goes and he starts to expand on it very mathematically RI rigorously because a Meg again in the academic preface you have three ways that you can three ways that you can uh treat time travel you have Hawkings conjecture the chronology protection conjecture that just says time travel is impossible that the universe will magically conspire to prevent it okay well that's boring we're going to throw that one up the next one is novakov self-consistency conjecture meaning that you can go back in time but that anything that you do back in time you're predestined to do and so it's one giant it's one giant time Loop the other one is the many worlds option you have time starts goes branching and bifurcating and this is actually comes directly from the manyu worlds and you're starting to to you're overlapping to kind of get these branches to touch so you can Traverse between them and that's really what a warp drive would be doing there's actually reasons why a warp drive is uh really it's a clal entanglement machine um but and again and then you can start tracing out these out and these actually make a bunch of a bunch of timelines and then they come together to make the hot vibration and then you you can start mapping it out there and then it gets into ways where you can feasibly come up with ways to navigate throughout the Multiverse using these warp drives and Def the laws of physics now if you go to an earlier version of his Super Force paper that he actually took this part out I'm not sure why but he believes it and he he he talks about he is an everan and in my interview with him he talks about this New Perspective on Old physics can talk to a possibility of a Multiverse concept the CMB may be a window of one Universe to another thus allowing the perception of a Multiverse sorry that P's word that was salvator P wow so again it seems like it's not related at first because you're like oh what does time travel in the Multiverse have to do with sadle and his patterns and stuff but when you yeah when you actually you go through a really longwinded version of it it is in there yeah and that's the thing is that it feels like s watered down what he wrote to appease academics and he's actually pretty much said this to me vers versus people that are more bold will just straight up say it you know like he doesn't really touch in the time travel aspects at all he doesn't really he never mentions UFOs or anything like anything like that at all uh just specifically talks about uh engineering the V Quantum vacuum doesn't talk about The Ether doesn't mention Zero Point Energy doesn't mention any of these Concepts but he does give nods to them throughout his work because they're kind of required I think for for this to make any sense if if you're good enough you can pick up on them yeah so what do you think about aliens you think aliens are out there well again so why this is why the Multiverse angle is relevant to that is once you understand the implications of how these craft work and the worldview that comes with it it starts to become very hard to ask who are they where are they coming from when you start to realize they couldn't just actually this is this is what jacqu Valle means when he says once you start to understand the implications of gravitational manipulation the idea they might just be an alien from another planet is is actually the most mundane boring possibility um of all of the possible possibilities they could be any species from any planet on any timeline on that planet so it starts you know when you start you start to do the math really comes out to about 10 to the 10 to the 122 different possibilities which is a huge number and so again this is why it starts to get back into my and my and Island analogy of why it might be better for us to just build a craft start asking some of these other craft hey where you from instead of trying to speculate because there's the the tapestry of possibilities that they could be coming from is so vast it could be from Zeta reticuli sure or it could be the Soviet Union from another timeline like we don't know it could be there's too many possibilities so yeah they're possible they're out there somewhere are they here maybe I wouldn't be surprised okay um what about your UFO experience what was did you have any did your sighting have anything that lingered with you in terms of the physics Mark uh Scott asked from the [Music] chat I I didn't know anything about the physics at the time that's kind of what prompted me to start studying physics because I that saw something that I had previously deemed to be impossible so I start digging into how is this possible and then you you like some answers more than others you learn some groups are full of others aren't full of and eventually when it comes down the rabbit hole you start to realize the only thing that can't lie is math and so that's why I like to try to promote the physics with a lot of these people more than I like to do you know particular individuals or or whatever it's why I don't like talking bad about people I just the the physics are the important thing here not not my opinion what's your plan for trying to get it out there or what would I mean you kind of said if you had unlimited funds but what's your short-term plan what are you trying to do what are you working on um I'm doing a talk on the history of many worlds uh for uh ape next month U that'll be that'll be the next thing that I'm doing just nice do what I can when I have the time um well yeah uh Hey Man Dan I appreciate you coming on man uh I know we only planned on doing this for like an hour but it's been like two hours so I think we can probably cut it here it's been a really good discussion on warp drives I've learned so I probably should jum here is there anything you want to shout out I no just uh again I think uh one of the best things that we can do for ufology as a whole is to stop framing this is of how do we prove UFOs are real and prove whose sighting is the best sighting and which sighting is the most legit yes we should monitor our skies I'm not saying that we shouldn't do that we should keep track and monitor our skies but we need because there's a stigma behind UFOs whether we like it or not so this is why we need to start framing it at least for the academics about how warp drives are a prediction of general relativity not yeah we need to figure out how the UFOs work it gets the same end result it just one path might receive a little bit more resistance than another no I totally agree Dan and it's funny now for the four orbs crew out there we're going to have to start saying uh general relativity you were right again look at you gen relativity we can make warp drives we can teleport stuff Einstein never wrong um but no uh in all seriousness I'm planning on talking to Salan in the very near future do you have any followup questions or questions that you would like Clarity or more things from that you think the public should know about in in the conversation um just um look into many worlds and there's something there really okay I'm GNA ask him about that well Dan thank you very much for your time sir I will let you get back to it and uh let's be in touch have a good one brother all right thank you so much sir have a good night