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# Cold Fusion Controversy - 4orbs Watch Party Malaysian 370 contact 12 0 decimal 9. Good night. Good night. Breaking news tonight. A Malaysia Airlines flight with 239 people on board, including four Americans, has gone missing. Oh, [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] I remembered the lines from the Hind. Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad Gita, Vishnu is trying to persuade the prince that he should do his duty and to impress him, takes on his multi-armed form and says, "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." What up, chat? Welcome to the stream. If you thought streams were ending, you were wrong. Streams are still happening. I've been thinking about what the new model is going to be for the streams. I don't know yet. I don't know. But what I do know is we are going to watch this documentary about Pawns and Fleshman and the 1989 Cold Fusion. So, tonight, no monetization, no advertisements, no commercials. We're gonna hope we don't get copyright stried by these people whose video we're going to watch on stream and we're gonna see what happens with it. Uh, for all intents and purposes, this is a educational value, fair use stream. I'm not trying to make money off this person's work. I'm just promoting their work. So, I will also shout them out. I put a link in the chat down below. Ultimately, we want to figure out what the hell happened with this Cold Fusion stuff in 1989. So, we're going to watch this video. I think we're I've just decided right now we're going to watch on 1x speed. It's an hour long. And I may I will jump in and add some commentary. We may go on a little side quest here and there. If we hear some facts or claims that we need to dig into, but there's a lot of good stuff in here. It's pretty good. Someone should get in touch with Sheila Ramen. I I don't She doesn't automatically qualify. Like I would need a co-host that is like understands some quantum mechanics probably. Well, maybe I don't. I don't know. Anyway, forget that. Let's go on. Okay, here we go, guys. So, primer cold fusion 1989 pawns and fleshman are announcing that they have discovered what can only be fusion happening excess energy and potentially transmutation of elements, but not happening at temperatures of the sun. This is important because 0 point energy tells us there is this negative energy that's possible. And so we can basically manipulate nature to do the work for us. We don't need temperatures of the sun to have fusion occur. This is a mindblowing thought. Wait, this can't be real. This violates the laws of thermodynamics. The mainstream media physicists would say what they don't realize is there is energy there already. Have I heard of Eugene Malov? Yes, I have heard of Eugene Malov. Eugene Malov quit because he saw Cold Fusion being suppressed in real time. So, this is going to be educational because we're going to learn about Cold Fusion. And we're also going to learn about the ways in which the media and the government go to suppress things. And I guarantee you, we're going to learn a little bit about them. I've already watched most of this documentary. So, actually, there it is. Room temperature superconductors was another another thing that got suppressed. It actually got suppressed. The comparisons to what we're going to see in this documentary to how LK99 room temperature superconductors were suppressed is crazy. It's so similar. It's just wild. So, this is a little bit of spoiler, but not really. This is all historical anyway. But LK99 these claims came out came out of China and Korea and then people started trying to replicate the process based on a scientific paper but it didn't have all the ingredients or the recipe there and people started just saying that oh they were unable to reproduce it therefore it's been debunked. And then the moment one person said that they weren't able to reproduce it everybody said it was it wasn't real which is crazy because that's not how science works. Science isn't based on one failure means it's a fail. That's not how science works at all. It's actually the opposite. It only takes one time to get it correct and then we know it's real. Simple as that. Then doesn't matter if you've failed a thousand times before that. All those times were meaningless. That's real science. So here we go. Let's You know what? I'm not even going to watch it on YouTube then. Uh, and I will go ahead and show you the YouTube channel right now just to promote it before we get into this to make sure they get proper uh, credit for their work here because they did a really good job. Honestly, this is impressive video. Um, so this is the men who promised the impossible unlimited energy. Bobby Broccoli. That's a lot of followers. So check out Bobby Broccoli. Thank you, Jason. Nice of you to say. Yeah, please hit the like on this. This this stream tonight is only for educational purposes. No monetization whatsoever, no commercials. We're going to watch this documentary right now. Okay, so let me flip over. You to Nebula for sponsoring this video. I messed this up. Yeah, skip too far ahead, chat. Not going to mess with it. Utah, 1869. Promontory summit, located in the Great Plains, almost 70 mi from Salt Lake City. It is the site of a moment in history. The last spike in the first transcontinental railway is being hammered in. There is media abound. Railway Baron Leland Stanford has the honor of hammering in that final spike. The moment he swings that hammer, a message is sent out across the telegraph network. Done. Except he misses his swing. Doesn't matter though. The spike is for show. A hole had already been dug and the spike was placed into it beforehand. It's also not even full gold. It was iron painted with gold. And besides, right after the famous photograph was taken, they would remove it and put a regular one in after people would just steal it. Otherwise, the golden spike is a symbol of the completion of a monumental task, the meeting of two industrial titans whose work cost millions and produced an engineering marvel that connected the Atlantic and Pacific oceans with one final leg. A celebration of rival companies and the backbreaking labor of thousands of immigrants. It's the moment that made it into the history books because it made for one hell of a photo. 120 years later and just 64 miles to the southeast, a new golden spike ceremony is playing out once again. But instead of the great plains, we're at the Salt Lake City airport in a FedEx office. There is a camera crew here. They're filming a grad student, Marvin Hawkins, and he's clutching an envelope. Inside it is the most important paper of his career. He's waiting for someone who will never show up. They had an agreement that they would submit their papers at the same time back to back. A show of good faith. Marvin doesn't realize it yet, but he's just an unfortunate pawn about to be trampled in a much larger dispute. In about a month, he'd be fired. Just months away from getting his PhD. The people he's waiting for right now had no interest in playing pretend nice for the media. This was war now. This was more than a potential Nobel Prize. Their discovery was the solution to the world's energy crisis, the key to eliminate the world's dependence on oil, the resource that was slowly killing the planet. Just days ago, Exxon Valdis had caused the largest oil spill in history off the coast of Alaska. The timing was almost prophetic. Today is Good Friday. Salvation was here and it had been discovered in Utah. It was time to spread the good word. Cold Fusion, basically. So, right off the bat, I'm already suspicious because there's already a situation where two people came to some kind of agreement to publish their papers at the same time. Like I'm already just like, okay, so we already got a recipe for disaster, right? We already got emotions in this. Like it shouldn't be a matter of like stealing as much credit as possible. Should just be a matter of making sure the information gets out to the people. But instead, nope. No, we don't got that going on. Not a good sign. I don't know who this guy is, but I love it. Yeah. Tesla and Edison part two. [Music] [Applause] Utah is not exactly the first place you think of when you hear about a scientific breakthrough. Let's be honest here. your mind almost certainly went to the Church of Latter-day Saints. The state was founded by the controversial religious group while they searched for a promised land to make their own, and they fought with the federal government for decades before they were eventually accepted into the Union. Notably, only after the church publicly disavowed their former tradition of polygamy. And throughout the 20th century, Utah as a state craved legitimacy in the eyes of the rest of the nation. The state spent years building up their image as something more than just the home of the Mormons. Their national parks and ski resorts attract millions of tourists each year. Now iconic films have made their premiere there at Sundance. They lobbyed for almost 20 years to host the eventual 2002 Winter Olympics. But for every success, there would be a Utah story making national news for all the wrong reasons. In the 1980s, there were the deadly Salt Lake City bombings of Mark Hoffman. Another was a shootout with police involving an illegal family of polygamists. The issue was summed up by a local political pundit. If you ask a lot of people in Utah what they fear, it's that everyone is going to laugh at us. We want money and we want respect. We would very much like to be respected. Not as Nevada is for gambling or Wyoming for coal, but for brains and for talent. Who cares, man? If you care this much about what people think of your state, like what's that's a you problem. Who who cares this much about what random anonymous people think of your state? Jesus, is this the world we live in? We don't deserve free energy. Despite its perception as a bit of an intellectual backwater in the '90s, Utah had the second highest rate of high school graduates that went on to higher education. It's home to plenty of great schools with the top two locked in an eternal rivalry with each other. Brigham Young University located in Provo is owned and operated by the Mormon Church and it enforces a draconian and regressive honor code, but it has a good reputation. I'm sorry. BYU is run by the Mormon church. How is that not a thing that I've known? It's actually run by the church. Isn't BYU the one where all these engineers generally come from? Like massively disproportionate ratio? This is crazy to me. This is breaking my mind. What do the Mormons know in the field of engineering and nursing? And then there was BYU's longtime football adversary, the top school in the state, the University of Utah, or the U for short. An all-around good research institute. Its genetics program was respected all across the country. And it was also the birthplace of the now iconic Utah Teapot, the benchmark of 3D modeling. And its chemistry department was no slouch either, ranked within the top 20 in the country. One Utah resident wanted to improve those rankings, and he was going to do everything he could to earn his state the respect he felt it deserved, even if it cost him his job. Chase Peterson, like most people from the state, was a Mormon, although he was not a fanatical one. He had spent most of his early career out east and got a medical degree from Harvard and eventually became the dean of admissions. But his home state beckoned to him and he eventually returned, becoming the president of the University of Utah in 1983. His time out east had taught him how to rub elbows with the wealthy and attract donors. Skills he would desperately need as U of was facing a period of steep decline. State education budgets were being slashed each year as Utah's whole economy slowed. And that meant that Peterson had to cut his school's budget eight times in just as many years. If he wanted money, he either had to convince the government he deserved it or he had to make friends in the private sector. And the way you go about that is by making headlines. Back in 1972, a U of chemist announced that he had invented the first ever X-ray laser. After much excitement, no other labs could reproduce it, and it became jokingly known as the Utah effect. What Peterson needed was another one of those, but real. By the way, Chad, nobody knows what that is. Nobody, if you bring that up in a party, no one's going to have any idea what you're talking about. The Utah effect, lasers, some [ __ ] This is a lot of lore dump right now, everybody. I don't know why there's so much lore, but basically, this seems to boil down to people in universities, uh, their incentive structure is like money. And so, they were basically trying to get as much money as they could to fund their lab experiments and do whatever it takes to achieve that. This time, his first real time in the national spotlight was when U of doctors implanted the first ever artificial heart into a man named Barney Clark. Clark had long suffered from severe heart problems and was going to die without medical intervention. It was a groundbreaking surgery, and 70 reporters came from all over the globe to cover it. It was an intense 6-hour procedure, and Clark had severe complications, including seizures and breathing problems. Unfortunately, he died in hospital 112 days later. Yeah. So, the X-ray laser thing sounds completely reasonable. I don't I don't know why that's such a a weird thing either. That's the weirdest part about that story. Anyway, let's keep going. Though clearly a step forward, it was not a success. Clark was intended to live much longer. The Utah effect had struck again. But despite the failure, Chase Peterson's handling of the announcement was positively received. He was a calm voice of reason who had a clear handle on sharing complex topics with the world and he had high ambitions. His name was floated in political circles potentially as a Democratic candidate for Senate. One more solid announcement and he could maybe think about planning his next moves. It was just a matter of time until someone at the U came up with a real breakthrough. And that moment came in late 1988. Peterson learned of this project through bits and pieces. It was apparently highly confidential. Even a whisper of it getting to the wrong person could jeopardize it. It was something supposedly worldchanging. Confidential. Okay, so now we're getting to the spice chat. Let me bring up my notes. Time to take some notes, chat. Okay, so we are going to figure this [ __ ] cold fusion thing out 100%. We're going to figure it out. Um, and I think the first note, oh my god, how do I do the whiteboard chat? I don't remember how this works. Okay, I'm just going to make a notepad. Is that the cold fusion experiment was classified and tight. So, they knew something was they already knew what they were doing before they started doing it. So that's big because that potentially means that somebody already knew this was like a working thing and they were like, "Hey, if we produce this, like we'll be able to show the world." So there was intention. Let's keep going. Two professors in the chemistry department had been working on something for years in the administration first got wind of it when they submitted a funding proposal to the dean of science, Hugo Rossi. Rossi had read it, but the implications didn't click until he woke up in the middle of the night. The first thing he did the next morning was call the scientist and ask quite bluntly, "Are you building a bomb?" And the answer he got was, quote, "Well, I suppose you could put it that way. It was not in fact a bomb, but Washington would soon be paying close attention anyway. The lab in which this discovery had taken place." Okay, so that's really interesting. They started Everybody thought they were building a bomb. They're like, "Oh, you're researching fusion. Are you building a bomb?" This really dates us, but honestly, maybe not. I think even today people would wonder that. So, we're already starting to see narratives forming. We're not even this thing. There's no announcements yet. It's still 1988. We're already seeing the narratives forming and we're already seeing the ignorance starting to show and we're already seeing people start to make mistakes. So, it's like we've gotten on the dance floor and we've already tripped three times. We're already out of the running and we're just going to keep making mistakes here. Like, you're disclosing worldbreaking information. You probably need to just get it out there in the most raw, unedited form so that people can pour through it and you need to be genuine about everything that you're doing here. Trying to hide the information, joking about building a bomb, that's not helping anything out here. place had been working 24/7 for almost the past month, desperate to get as much data as possible before the announcement. Now, Peterson was having secret trustee meetings where everything was locked down. Leaks would be devastating. No one was allowed to use the actual words to describe the breakthrough. It was referred to simply as the F-word. Although secrecy was of the utmost importance, Peterson was rumored to have spoken to the governor of Utah in late 1998 and told him that his school may soon win a Nobel Prize. So these guys were already popping off. Like this was not something where it randomly happened upon this, right? There's too much planning. If this was a discovery that had just been spontaneous, there wouldn't be all this planning and scheming. It would have been a surprise. Um, pretty wild. He's They're already bragging to the governor. We're going to win a Nobel Prize. Yeah. If you uh unless you underestimate the media and the government, maybe. Let's do you guys think that ponds inflation maybe underestimate the media the the government and the media? You can never go wrong. Wait, this goes full screen. You can never go wrong underestimating the ignorance of the public. Can never go wrong. On March 13th, 1989, the school filed its first patent, the first of several. By March 16th, Peterson called an emergency meeting with all their lawyers and the two scientists. Peterson and the lawyers were in agreement. The time was now. If they waited any longer, it would jeopardize the patent applications. The two scientists, however, are reluctant. But after a long argument, they are slowly swayed. They realize the gravity of the situation. Years later, Peterson will argue that if they had stood their ground, he wouldn't have forced them to hold the press conference. And yet the recollection of another attendee was that one of the two scientists was on the verge of tears. Whatever the case, the decision had been made. The press conference was scheduled for 100 p.m. Mountain time, March 23rd, 1989. The media was given just a single day advanced warning. Campus security is deployed around the chemistry department, locking down access to the basement lab where all of this had started. The room is packed. TV crews capture the whole thing which will last for a little over half an hour. This is a moment in history. First, let's get the news of that scientific breakthrough at the University of Utah. Brian, it's a late story. Thanks very much, Carol and Keith. Good afternoon, everyone. In about an hour, researchers at the University of Utah are scheduled to make an announcement that they revolutionize the way we energize our world. Chase Peterson and his VP James Brophie welcomed the journalists to the talk. Peterson knowing full well his words will be broadcast across the country make sure that everyone knows this discovery happened at his school. This university prides itself, whether it be in creative writing or dance or chemistry or genetics or artificial organs, in a long tradition of intellectual freedom, intellectual excitement, and a willingness to try new ways to solve old problems. Those minds and that knowledge are then dedicated to the benefit of the people of the world generally and to the cultural and economic well-being of the state of Utah specifically. Next, he's literally spiking the football right here. This guy's spiking the football. He's not even in the end zone yet. I don't know if you guys watch NFL American football. There was this Jets player this week where he's running into the end zone and he drops the football before he gets across the line. Like that's what's going on right here. Like bro, you haven't you haven't done anything yet. You're sitting here talking about how you're bringing new energy to the world. Like chill with it. The mic is handed over to our first protagonist, Stanley Ponds. Well, first of all, let me thank uh Dr. Peterson, Dr. Brophie for the kind introduction and further for their strong encouragement and support throughout this entire project. The experiment we have accomplished has been described in the news release which you have and I'll just sorry we're going off script here for a second. I want to address this question. Robert uh Robert Duncan said a Danny Jones podcast these orbs are seeing a lot of people are actually holograms made with fem oh femto lasers. Yeah, they're not holograms. I'd say that Robert Duncan doesn't know anything about plasma most likely. That's that would be my true opinion. Um and when people say holograms, I don't know what the [ __ ] they're talking about, man. Like what do you mean exactly? Like this this this is definitely this hologram narrative. They're like, "Oh, they're making plasma holograms." What? Like just be as specific as you can about what you think is happening in the lifetime of the plasma hologram you think is being produced and how you think it's being produced and what you think is using produce it. You find it's a lot of nonsense. It's a lot of well they're uh just shooting it with something and you're like okay well why would they even do that? Well, it's to like confuse people. It's like, no, you're confusing people by bringing up nonsense that doesn't have any patents, doesn't have any scientific backing that you just Yeah. Anyway, that's my rant for people that like are trying to bring up like holographic plasma stuff. It's like somebody read a popsai uh headline, right, and didn't read any of the scientific papers involved in it or anything like that. There you go. That's my high road of the night. just uh give you a brief synopsis and that it is basically we've established a sustained nuclear fusion reaction by means by means which are considerably simpler uh than conventional techniques. uh dutarium which is a component of heavy water is driven into a metal rod similar exactly like uh the one that I have in my hand here under uh to such an extent that fusion between the these components uh these duterons uh in heavy water are fused to form a single uh and new atom and with this process there is a considerable release of energy and we've demonstrated that this could be sustained on its own uh in other words much more energy is coming out than we're putting Man, that was a lot of words, but the most important ones were these quote. Okay, I'm going to go ahead and add something here now, guys. So, after that rant, yeah, rants per hour really are at an all-time low. Maybe I just need to get more into that. You know what? One more quick rant. We are going to have the best aliens out of everybody. I don't care if aliens are real or not. If they are real, we're going to have the best aliens. You want an alien that's a tall white Nordic so that you can live out your weird fantasies, we can get you that. If your weird fantasies have to do with purple or blue aliens with big butts, we'll do you that as well. If you're into the insecttoid uh or crab people, the mantis people, we got you some of that. And free bonus. They're all telepathic. All of them. Every single one. Even the little gray one. He's especially telepathic. He's the best in terms of telepathic. Okay, you guys for made me forget when I was gonna go. See, so now are we I can't even chat. I can't. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, this this is what I wanted to show you guys this Grock. So why do we use dutyium heavy water I think is what dutyium is right duty we use because it has low cool barrier duterons have a lower positive charge compared to higher isotopes like tridium or helium 3. This means the coolum barrier, the repulsive force between the positively charged nuclei is lower, allowing fusion to occur at lower temperatures and energies that would be required for heavier nuclei. So there's another video that we're going to watch on Wednesday, guys. On Wednesday, we're going to watch this other video that talks about we're going to really understand quantum mechanics and something called uh the energy bar energy bands. the energy bands because when the electrons are coming together we need to understand energy as a band not as just a single uh line where uh uh electrons can either change orbitals or break free um fusion with tridium one of the most common fusion reactions in current experiments and fusion reactors like tokamax involves dutyium and tridium this dutyium tridium reaction has a very high cross-section probability of fusion so really you can tell here what are we trying to do we are trying to make fusion happen. We're trying to get the elements to stick together. We're like throwing them at each other, right? And we're like, "Oh, these are the best ones." Cuz they're This I think they're saying here their energy band is at a lower level, whatever. It's better fusion with tridium. This is also better. Um it's abundant in seawater easier to confine due to lower mass. The duterons can less confinement time and temperature achieve fusion. The helium 4 produced is non radioactive. So basically it releases helium 4. Okay, cool. Let's go back to our video. sustained nuclear fusion reaction and considerably simpler than conventional techniques and then finally much more energy is coming out than we're putting in. Pawns then turns to his partner Martin Flechman and asks him if he wants to add anything and uh he has really described the experiment. It is very simple. You drive the neutrons into the lattice. You compress the neutrons in the latis and under those circumstances we have found conditions where fusion takes place and can be sustained indefinitely. Now indefinitely is an emotive word. We have run experiments for hundreds of hours and on our time scale that is a pretty long time again. Okay. So he's confining the fusion the atoms within the lattice. So it's interesting when they talk about the lattice structure because that's where I think of like the crystalline structure of any group of molecules that's being put together. So this lattice structure and this is too where especially when we talk about pis electricity we're talking about squeezing the lattice structure where then we can release electricity. So he's already saying the right things where I'm thinking they're using some the contain the confinement process is causing the atoms to come together in a low energy way. There's that phrase quote very simple. Following this, Pawns explains why they think this can only be fusion. Well, first of all, the heat that we then measure can only be accounted for by uh nuclear reactions. The the heat is so intense that it cannot be explained by any chemical process that uh that is known. they okay so this is I the heat can only be explained by chemical process so that's the biggest thing I don't think anybody has ever proven this wrong um so you need to remember that going all throughout this why is that so important because when we're going to listen to some of the people debunk this you're going to find they're never going to be able to debunk the fact there's too much energy being produced. It's producing coefficient of performance greater than one. How is it doing this? So even if somehow like when we I'm going to just kind of skip ahead and throw this thought out there is that proving the transmutation is the most controversial part of this. The part about producing excess heat seems to be people don't really disagree with it. They just ignore it. Have some additional evidence too. Uh the other evidence is of course that we have direct measurements of neutrons by measuring the uh gamma radiation which builds up in a tank where one of these cells is under operation. We can measure have a gammaray spectrum. Uh in addition there is a buildup of tridium uh in the uh in the cell which we measure with a centilation counter. Radiation again a clear sign that this is a nuclear effect. I would think that it would be reasonable within a short number of years to build a a fully operational uh device that could drive produce electric power or to drive a steam generator. Fleshman quite clearly explains that for every one watt they put in they get four watts out. We have run uh uh cells now in excess of generating in excess of 20 watts per cubic cm. In terms of percentages that's 300% excess heat. This is astounding. If I might just add, it is clear, it has been clear for three or four decades that the promise of virtually unlimited radiationfree uh energy is something that is worth spending perhaps billions of dollars on. Um we would also like it to come to the to the benefit of the economy of Utah. That's not always easy to guarantee because ideas aren't contained by borders, but perhaps ownership and patents are. The conference has one very brief mention that a peer-reviewed paper has been submitted. It has not yet been published. If you were only paying attention to the tone of their voices, you might think that this was something as mundane as the renaming of a campus building, not the unveiling of a worldchanging technology. Rumors leading up to the conference said that any number of prominent politicians would personally attend, including the president, the vice president or UK prime minister, although none of these were true. But the existence of such rumors conveyed just how monumental this announcement was. One, so they did the announcement before the paper had been peer- reviewviewed. O, big mistake, man. Big mistake. So they basically put a giant target on their backs and and you know we know exactly what happened. Why? We saw the Veritassium video. Veritassium makes a video saying electricity does not flow through wires. Energy is not flowing through wires. Factual statement. What happens? Every YouTuber engineer starts debunking it claiming it's not this. He doesn't understand basic physics. He's violating causality. All of them are wrong. They're all idiots. Every single one. None of them understands a single thing about electrical engineering or where energies even coming from. Some of them have millions of followers or subscribers on YouTube. And this is most likely this is I'm getting the feeling. I'm not committed to this belief, but this is what I'm thinking is going to end up happening here to Pawns and Flechman. We're we're getting a really good idea of the backdrop for what was going on when this announcement happened. And maybe these guys underestimated their level of clout within the academic community or the vitrial of the academic community or the sheer ignorance of it. Let's see. Because already here, guys, like what have we learned so far? There's no way this was some elaborate hoax. these guys are not hoaxers, he says. So, it's like there's only two options. Either it's real or they made a major error somehow that led them to this point of hundreds of hours of researching where they they forgot they did something wrong and they're right. So, to me now, okay, we we've narrowed down. There's no in between. Either it's totally real or it's not real. If it's real, it can be somewhat misinterpreted, but it's still cold fusion, still excess energy, still coefficient of performance greater than one, aka over unity, aka free energy. So now all we need is somebody to reproduce it. We only need one person to reproduce it. That's it. One person reproduces it. It we it's real. We got it. Like that's it. That's how that scientific process should work. It shouldn't be, oh, it only takes one person or a predominant number of people to disprove it. Like, it's either real or it's not. Not everybody's going to be able to make it correctly, but it's either real or it's not. Pretty elaborate if it's a hoax if you ask me. Politician did make a small appearance. The Utah governor had sent in a written statement to be read. As a devout Mormon, he linked the discovery with the famous words of Brigham Young. This is the place. Miracles happen in Utah. It is here where mythology is born. I also don't like all this mythology and religious undertones going on with this. Why were all these people trying to connect this to religion and and get the their universities praised? Like Jesus Christ, people, sorry for taking the Lord's name in vain, but holy crap here, chat. It's cold fusion, man. Stop patting each other on the back. This was a rags to rich's story. This was the University of Utah. It wasn't some elite east coast university. This wasn't MIT. This wasn't Harvard. This was two relatively unknown guys from Utah that had just upended physics. Two pioneers who boldly went against the scientific paradigm, gambling on a risky idea that never should have worked. Stan and I thought this experiment was so stupid that we financed it ourselves. And I think it would be fair to say that we've burned up about $100,000 in the process. So it's not that cheap. And this is just a kitchen experiment. So if you scale it up, we could burn up a few million dollars fairly quickly, too. So you're That was such an important quote because I want you guys to understand that this stuff is not cheap. Doing science is not cheap. They actually invested $100,000 between them just to do a kitchen level experiment for Cold Fusion. So when people a lot of time people ask you why don't you show it? First of all, I don't need to. It's already been shown before. Second of all, I have to give my money away for free just to make a kitchen level experiment. Something I can't even produce or sell to anybody just to prove to somebody else. Third of all, even if I do that and film it, you're going to say I cheated. It's not real. I must have cheated somehow. So, I'm not doing any of that [ __ ] It's already been done many times over. We can just watch watch the history of As That has happened. Stanley Pawns and Martin Flechman are not remembered in the most positive light today for reasons you'll soon come to understand. But one trap their critics sometimes fall into is underplaying their achievements prior to March 23rd, 1989. I think it's important to make clear that among their peers, Pawns and Fleshmen were wellrespected and productive scientists. That's what makes their fall from grace all the more tragic. One thing that comes across even in just these short clips is that Stan Pawns is not very comfortable speaking in front of crowds. He stumbles over some of his words and trails off at the end of sentences. Flechman is much more confident and his jokes get laughs from the audience multiple times. Uh the Rubbermaid basin is for uh uh lecture presentations because we want to uh have the punchline that we paid for it ourselves and we couldn't actually pay for very much. Basically, this has been described as a kitchen type experiment. How do you feel knowing that you could do in a kitchen what other researchers could do with half a million dollars at large science? So these people are kind of [ __ ] too, right? like the the the media and the people questioning them are like complete retards. They're like, "Uh, where's the the fancy doodadags? Why are you not wearing lab coats? Where's the purple mist? Where's the mystique?" Like, I feel like if Pawns and Fleshman took like a steam generator or whatever, smoke generator, and they like filled the lab up with some smoke and they, you know, made it look all fancy and mystical. Then then all these people like, "Ooh, they figured out fusion." They're like, "No, bro. Like I just bought some [ __ ] from Home Depot and put it in a tub together and we found a fusion reaction that happened, right? Like it doesn't doesn't require name brand gear to make a kitchen counter experiment. The question are what are the results and what's your interpretation of those results? Can be cheap [ __ ] as long as you're showing us a natural effect that's an experimental observational effect. It's a pretty big kitchen. That confidence comes from experience. There's a bit of an age gap between the two men. Fleshman is 61 here and Pawns is just 46. And while Pawns has a solid resume, Flechman's is extensive. Born in Czechoslovakia, he grew up in the UK and made a name for himself there as a prominent electrochemist. Electrochemistry is a particular niche that's fairly simple to explain. They study electricity that induces chemical reactions or chemical reactions that generate electricity. He was known for his invention of a type of calerimeter, a device used to measure heat with great precision. And he also did some pioneering work with the diffraction of X-rays. In 1986, he was inducted into the UK's Royal Society, which is essentially a lifetime achievement award in science, placing him among the greats such as Isaac Newton and Michael Faraday. He was quote more innovative than any other electrochemist in the world. And Marvin Hawkins, the PhD student, once said of him, "You meet Fleshman and you're going, "Wow, if I can spend just a month with this guy, I'll be a god myself." Fleshman's renown as an elder statesman was no doubt a major contributor to why so many people took the announcement seriously. He would not simply rush out to make a bold claim without plenty of evidence to back it up. Stanley Ponds was much more of an unknown. He had taken a more meandering route in his career. Born in North Carolina, he quit academia for 10 years to work for the family business before eventually returning to get his PhD in 1975. And he earned it at Southampton, which is where Fleshman became his mentor and eventually his friend. After hopping around a bit, he landed himself a professorship at the Were these guys getting broke back? It's not really relevant to the story, but I just find it might add more drama. So, basically, Pawns comes out of nowhere. 1975 he'd been working for his family's business. He's like, "Oh, I got to go get a PhD all of a sudden. All of a sudden, you're like 35, 40 years old. You got to get a PhD. Oh, and I got to go do it in London. I'm going to work under uh my buddy Flechman. He's going to teach me everything. We're going to go live there together for like four years. Like, is he married?" No, he he lives alone. Okay. Okay. Just Just wondering. It's okay. It's fine if whatever you're up to. University of Utah. He wasn't a Mormon, but U of wasn't as strict as they are over at BYU. Over the course of the 1980s, he began publishing more and more papers every year. In 1988, he published a staggering 36 papers. He even ran his own company, selling homemade lab equipment out of his house. A true workerbe, his peers called him. UVU must have been impressed because they made him chair of the chemistry department in 1988. So, yeah, it actually might have been a situation. I just realized we're talking about BYU here. We're talking about Mormons. It's not okay to be gay. Actually, now that we're now that I uh realize what we're talking about here, chat, um 36 how 33 papers in one year. 36 papers, dude. That's That's a lot. That's a lot of scientific papers. So, this dude is like a little They found the Rainman. They found the Rainman. Like Flechman went around, found the Rainman somewhere in some shop working for his family shop. I was like, "Dude, you're the rain man. We got to get you a PhD. We're going to have you start artistically writing like 35 papers a year." Like, he sounds like this is actually messed up. This is like I don't know. Is this human trafficking? What was going on? This is so weird. I didn't realize there was gonna be this weird backstory where like one of these dudes just randomly starts to like live and work underneath the other one at like a middleage level and just decide to get a PhD. Like this is bizarre. Okay, whatever this is going on here, there's a lot of drama going on. There's a lot of layers of this. His grad students knew him to be an introvert, uncomfortable with giving presentations, especially in front of large audiences. But they also spoke highly of him. He was humble, generous, and a good friend once you got to know him. It's hard to get a feel for what kind of person you are when you see someone on TV a few minutes. He's a very um intensive person. Family and science takes up 97% of his time. Stan Ponds is also very private. In his world, family and science mix, and little else enters the picture. Despite their age gap, the two were genuinely close friends who love to ski, cook, hike, and throw parties together. I've heard some people describe both of you as the odd couple of fusion. Uh, he seems to be more outgoing. You're People were making jokes about how they're a couple and they're like best buds that have parties together all the times, too. Chad, we might have actually found like some kind of There might actually be some kind of brokeback thing going on here. Wow. This would be wild. What a twist if the cold fusion stuff turns out they were like Mormons living in Utah and they had a secret relationship that they couldn't tell anybody about and they also figured out cold fusion free energy. Damn guys, this one I'm just We could sell this story to Disney. [ __ ] it's got all the DEI requirements in it. Make one of them black. Just race swap one of them to be black. It can be Eddie Murphy can play one of them. So private. Yeah. Does that fit? I think so. I think so. By the mid1 1980s, Flechman was effectively retired, but he had set up an arrangement where he'd split his time between his labs in the UK. The sequel Brokeback Laboratories, chat, it's a sequel. And visiting Pawns at U of U as a visiting researcher. The duo's dynamic was very obvious. Flechman was the ideas man, and Pawns was the one who tested the ideas out. Before this historic day, they had published close to 30 papers together. Fleshman, who's based in England, has spent four months each year at the university on the project. Checks every [ __ ] box, chat. Checks every box. Uh, so they wrote like 30 papers together. This is just bizarre. This is actually getting weird. In between, not for the reasons I thought, though. Both men rack up $400 a month phone bills. Chase Peterson told a CBS, "Why is there a random drop about $400 a month phone bills? What is that all about? $400 a month for phone bills for long-distance calls in the '90s." Reporter later that day that this research may win Pawns in Flehman a Nobel Prize. Although they never actually say these words in the announcement, the world will come to know it as cold fusion. Even if you have no idea what it means, you very likely heard those two iconic words before. Marvin Hawkins, the group's PhD student, recalls Fleshman telling him that everything was going to change after that day. For the better or for the worse, he didn't specify, but Hawkins realized soon that it was going to be for the worse. This press conference should never have happened. Pawns and Fleshman had wanted an extra 18 months before going public. Pressure outside their control had forced their hand. there had been a leak. And so against their better judgment, they gave a press conference that doomed their careers and forever tarnished their reputations. What do they mean there's been a leak? What What are these guys talking about? They're talking like they're spies. Is there some government connection here? Like how many people were working in this laboratory? Like is it Roy from the janitor? Like what does it mean leak here? These guys are like, you know, they got this full brokeback relationship. There's no way either of these guys leaked it. Was there a third wheel in this situation? I got to know. [Music] If they blew up Salt Lake City, then we'd know. Yeah. When it comes to nuclear physics, there are actually two f-words. Fishing you've definitely heard of. Splitting the atom. A massive nucleus breaks apart into two, releasing a massive amount of energy. so much energy it could start a chain reaction leading to an explosion so immense it could flatten a city in an instant. Nuclear fishision changed the course of the 20th century but its sibling fusion is even more powerful. the joining of atoms when we divide by the amount of mass. Spoiler alert, when I talk with Jesse Michaels and he asks me how I'm so certain that these plasma balls are going to be destructive and world enders. This is a spoiler. This is going to happen at some point. I don't know when. I'm going to basically just point to this graph. I'm going to go, bro, nuclear bombs are doing fision. The more powerful version is fusion. If we can achieve fusion at low temperatures, this planet stands no chance. The amount of destructive weapons that we could make to destroy the planet is unlimited. Unlimited number of weapons used for fuel, fusion beats out fishing by a factor of four. All of the atoms around you are made up of protons and neutrons. Bundles of particles, protons with a positive charge and neutrons with none. The smallest possible nucleus is that of hydrogen with just one solitary proton. If you were to take another atom of hydrogen and slowly push them closer and closer together, you would find yourself at war with an immense force. The electromagnetic force repels positive charges away from each other. The closer they get together, the harder it pushes back. But there is a barrier you can surpass. If you were to supply enough force, enough heat, enough pressure, you can get the protons close enough together and a new force dominates, the strong nuclear force. At small enough scales, it overpowers the electromagnetic force and the two protons fuse together. Two atoms of hydrogen have become one atom of helium. And this releases a ton of energy. Much of it. Chat, help me out. Why does it why is it that both processes release energy? How is that possible? This is very simple question. Fision and fusion. Okay. Fision means we're separating two things together and we release energy when we do that. Got it? Makes sense to me. I they go back together. It would presumably take energy to put them back together. But somehow when we get to fusion, we combine them and it also releases energy because it got lighter. I just think it's interesting that both processes release energy in the form of heat. Self-sustaining fusion has been one of the holy grails of physics since the concept was first theorized in the 1920s. The idea that an initial fusion would release enough energy to kickstart a chain reaction, unleashing more energy than it took to start the first one. Ah, so there's the secret, right? Cause a chain reaction to happen. You cause your chain reaction to happen and now you have this fusion runaway occur. This makes sense. You cause your chain reaction to happen in your plasma and you're going to have your coherent ball of plasma, right? And it's just going to be persistent. And once you realize it's self-organizing, you let your cascade happen. Now, boom, your thing lights up. So, when people ask me, how do the balls of fusion form? You just shoot a device out into the sky and then you have it start pulling ions directly out of the atmosphere or the water. Next thing you know, you've got a ball of plasma probably within a second. Fusion is all about probabilities. If you have two nuclei close enough together for a long enough period of time, there is always a chance, no matter how infinite decimal, that they will overcome their repulsion and fuse. The other thing I need to point out here is Ken Shoulders's EVO work. Now, Ken Shoulders doesn't generally use positives here to explain it. didn't say he uses electrons, but the electrons should be repelling each other the closer they get. But in plasma EVOS's, Ken Shoulders noticed that the electrons are clumping together. This is why he predicted it must be the case force pulling them together, counteracting the repulsion effect. You're going to hear me talk about this a lot because nature is elegant. The same solutions work on multiple scales. One way you can increase the odds of fusion is to add neutrons. This is dutyium. One proton, one neutron. Although it sounds like another element entirely, it is really just a variant of hydrogen, heavy hydrogen. Because neutrons have no charge, they provide a bit of a buffer. It's much easier to fuse two dutyium atoms than two hydrogen. So I was being stupid before. Yes, obviously they are getting lighter here. So interesting. But at the end of the day, what we're trying to do is just fuse. We're trying to get these elements to stick together. In the modern day, we try to induce fusion in gigantic reactors called tokamax. Yeah. So, we're basically being retards. Tokamax is a huge scam. Huge scam. Why is a tokamac a scam, chat? Just look at what you're looking at right there. We're basically trying to heat it up and get it hot enough that a fusion cascade reaction occurs. That's not the answer at all. That's not the answer at all. The secret isn't to heat it up. The secret is to try to force a gravitational well where they're naturally coming together. And how do we do that? The Casemir effect. The Casemir effect is the answer. The casemir effect causes there to be a negative energy pressure difference. It's exactly what we need. You create a casemir effect, what's going to happen to the atoms that flow through it? That's what's going to happen. Fusion doesn't even have to then it's just a matter of efficiency, but that's what's going to start happening. No wonder hot fusion has never been successful because they have a flawed premise to begin with. They understand the idea of the toroid. They just don't realize all this [ __ ] around the toid. You don't need all this [ __ ] You can use nature and have nature naturally form a tooid without a containment a metal containment device. Donut-shaped rooms that trap protons with immense magnetic fields. However, despite our best efforts, the energy we get out is always less than the energy we put in. That's not true. Self-sustaining fusion has only been observed in two places. Here's the first. [Music] And here's the second. An immensely huge ball of gas that warms our planet and grows our crops. And the Hbomb, a device so destructive that if it was used for its original purpose, it would doom us to extinction. Sustained hot fusion in a lab would fundamentally alter our society. But hot fusion was not a widely used term in the 1980s. When physicists spoke of fusion, it was implied that it had to be hot. Of course, that all changed on March 23rd, 1989. Like any good mythology, the early history of their cold fusion project has varied over the years. Fleshman has said that they were inspired during a hike in Mil Creek Canyon. Later that day, they pulled an allnighter, frantically writing down calculations and sketching out an experiment. Shall we tell the truth? Yeah. It was in one of our Jack Daniels phases. According to Fleshman, their convo went a little like this. Quote, it's a billion to one chance. Shall we do it? To which Pon said, let's have a go. Fleshman's decadesl long career meant he was familiar with dozens of material systems and he had done extensive work with palladium. Palladium is a decently rare metal which can absorb surprisingly large amounts of hydrogen. It was almost like a metal sponge and he wrote about it in a paper as early as 1948. A palladium lattice can absorb about 900 times as much hydrogen inside the same volume. And as it fills up, it also expands slightly and the internal pressures increase dramatically. The effect is the same if you swap out hydrogen for dutyium. Fleshman's thinking was that you could load up a palladium lattice with so much dutyium that it would compress the atoms so tightly that some of them could undergo fusion and all that could be done at room temperature. A colleague at Southampton said that Fleshman mentioned this idea to him as early as 1974. But it wasn't until he went to Utah to work with pawns that he had someone willing to try it out with him. In order to load the palladium with dutyium, they devised the following setup. They take a battery and hook it up to two electrodes. One is platinum and one is palladium. Next, they submerge this into a giant water bath. Except this isn't regular water, H2O. This is heavy water, D2O. The hydrogen is replaced with dutyium. Heavy water is not exactly common. It makes up only about 0.0156% of the Earth's total water, but for chemists, it's easy to get their hands on. Next, they dissolve some lithium into the heavy water. Lithium is a conductor, and they plan to run electricity through the water. When the electricity is turned on, the heavy water molecules, D2O, are split apart through electrolysis. They separate into oxygen and dutyium. The oxygen is negatively charged and floats over to the anode. And the dutarium is positively charged and floats over to the palladium cathode. The palladium acts as a sponge and absorbs the dutium atoms. And theoretically, when the palladium is loaded up with as much dutarium as physically possible, fusion might occur. How would they be able to tell though? By measuring the temperature of the water. If the heat energy released was more than the amount of electricity pumped in, that would be excess heat, a potential new energy source. Although it takes some work to get, oceans have enough heavy water to last us centuries. Certainly much more renewable than oil or natural gas and with none of the pollutants. This experiment was not an entirely new idea, however. In the 1920s, a German group was trying to find a reliable way to produce helium. Following World War I, Germany had been banned from importing it. So, a reliable way to make it in a lab would be a gamecher. So, we figured out chemical process by which we can force fusion to happen from the hydrogen being confined in the lattice of the palladium. It's very smart actually. I can I can see why a chemist would figure that out. Chemist understands the chemical compounds. So electrolysis forces the water to break apart, the dutaterium to break away and then this is what causes this to happen. And I can also see how this is a very kitchen top experiment, right? Like you're talking about just proving the concept. If you want to take advantage of this, there's probably other ways to pull it off. One way right away I was thinking of was that piso electricity. Piso electricity has to do with squeezing the lattice. So if you can cause a pressure to happen in your lattice maybe we can convert some of the electricity some of the energy into electricity through pi electricity. Pis electricity I think might be the secret or not just pi electricity. Uh thermo hold on wait for it chat chat wait. uh thermmo electricity. Thermmo electricity is a direct conversion of temperature differences into electrical voltage. That's very interesting when we're dealing with an output that is mostly heat. I knew Crypto Alchemist was going to know about the electrolysis. Anyway, let's keep going. We're a little bit behind. They had tried loading palladium up with hydrogen and saw some evidence of helium. However, this work was fairly obscure and it had been forgotten about for decades largely because the authors eventually retracted their work. They realized they had made a mistake. The helium they were seeing had been absorbed from the air and not produced via fusion. Of course, the neutron wasn't even discovered until a few years later, and so they wouldn't have known to use dutyium rather than hydrogen. Fleshman had heard of this work before as he briefly over overlapped at the same school as one of the authors in the 1950s and so all these years later Fleshman had taken that general idea but swapped out hydrogen for dutyium. Pawns and Fleshman said several things in this press conference they will later come to regret. The first was calling the phenomena a sustained fusion reaction. The second was claiming that the experiment was quote very simple and implying it would be easy to reproduce. Looks pretty simple. Will later say he regrets doing the press conference at all. He knew that by going public like this, they were opening themselves up to more scrutiny than they'd ever seen before. He thinks that pawns may not have realized that at the time. Flechman is close to retirement here and he could have left the field any day if he ever chose to. When they write his obituary, Cold Fusion will be just a paragraph among several in a long and successful career. Pawns, though, is younger and with children still in school. He was not prepared for how this would upend his life. By the end of it, he will be left so defeated that he'll give up his US citizenship. We did it. For the first time anywhere, a big step forward in a little test tube. what could be the discovery of the century. The dawn of a new nuclear age. They have successfully maintained a nuclear fusion fusion fusion fusion reaction and generated more energy out than they put in. It was like an avalanche. There was no news channel you could flip to that wasn't running a cold fusion story. Most of the initial headlines portrayed the announcement as an earthshattering discovery that may change physics as we knew it. This was a potential solution to the energy crisis. Clean nuclear power. Period. Period. At a at an affordable price. One cubic foot of seawater contains enough detium to produce 250,000 BTU of energy. It would take 10,000 tons of coal to equal that kind of energy. No more acid rain from burnt coal and other power plants. and the exhaust of the automobile's internal combustion engine would be a thing of the past. Nuclear fishing had become a political nightmare following the Chernobyl disaster. The Axon Vald oil spill had occurred literally the same day as the announcement. The the fact is there are a lot of people including the Chase Manhattan Bank who are going to find themselves broke if oil doesn't stay at $20 a barrel. The Middle East crisis gets settled just like that because there's nothing to fight over. The headlines wrote themselves. Two local papers, the Salt Lake City Tribune and the Desireette News would religiously follow the story with a sense of hometown pride. In the latter case, I mean that literally. Desireette News is owned by the Mormon church. Not all reactions were also positive, though. Many outlets took a more mixed stance. Some were outright skeptical. For some papers, it wasn't even worth a front page story. The New York Times squirreled it away on page 12. Optimistic, incredulous. There was an entire spectrum of emotion. New York Times, page 12, Cold Fusion. You guys get what we're getting at here? Let me repeat that. Pans and Flechman announced Cold Fusion and the New York Times runs it on page 12. Has the New York Times always been propaganda garbage nonsense or is that only in the last 35 years? Jesus. How easy is it to control people with the media? It's just trivial, but everyone was paying attention. There was a distinct third type of reaction that went on largely behind closed doors, however. Did this have the potential to be turned into a weapon, or if not a weapon, a source of fuel for one? Countries without nuclear weapons programs may have just been handed a golden ticket. Governments around the world scrambled to ask their top scientists their opinions. At the University of Utah, things quickly devolved into a mad house. Following the press conference, Marvin Hawkins led the media through a tour of the lab, explaining the setup. The kitchen comments were bang on. It looked like something a hobbyist could do in their basement. Car batteries, a Rubbermaid wash tub, all right next to a janitor's closet. This was certainly not like the hot fusion tacamax that were the size of entire buildings and cost half a billion dollars to run. News TV crews were wandering the halls of the university looking for anyone willing to be interviewed. Many had no idea about the experiment, but hey, it was a chance to be on TV. What have they done? The experiments and things. I Do you know what it is? Well, I have an idea. I really don't. What's your idea? Well, it's just it has to do with with energy. This openness will soon be replaced by the opposite. U will lock down external access to the lab, even covering up some windows. The school's phones were ringing off the hook. Hundreds of calls a day from every walk of life. Politicians like Al Gore called in offering congratulations. Pawns got personal calls from Edward Teller, the controversial father of the hydrogen bomb, and Carlo Rubia, director of CERN. But they were also flooded with random people looking to invest, or Cranks, who wanted to talk about their pet conspiracies. Fleshman and his wife were quickly assigned a pair of bodyguards to follow them wherever they traveled. Soon, Pawns had to change his home phone number, otherwise it would be ringing all night. The attempt to capitalize on the phenomenon was immediate. The U started selling Cold Fusion T-shirts. A soda shop down the street had a novelty Cold Fusion drink. Many researchers, when they first heard of it, were dumbfounded. Cold Fusion was a nonsense concept, right? It would be the great the most significant technological discovery since man discovered fire. This had come out of nowhere. That guy got it. That guy talking about the fire a second ago. It's the biggest discovery since fire. It is. Negative energy is the biggest discovery since fire. Biggest discovery since fire. It is like discovering fire in the way once you discover it, there's no unseeing it. And we will blow right past the cardartesev scale. Like the whole scale is going to be obsolete. We're going to go from zero to 100 instantly. Um, if anything, you'd expect it out of a place like MIT. Oh, the other thing too is the money. The big factor. A big factor involved in this cold fusion thing was the budget. You can see the budget issue coming up here. Ponds and Flechman. People go to the lab and they're like expecting this extravagant purple mist. They need the the fog generator running, right? Maybe some spooky music in the background. They need some visual effects. They need something glowing at them. And then they'll go, "Oh, Cold Fusion." But no, instead they got a kitchenmade rubber bin and some car batteries. And they're looking at this and they're going, "This is janky as [ __ ] You can't have discovered Cold Fusion. this is janky. Like that's literally how stupid we are. And they're going, "No, only these people who've been spending all these years on hot fusion with their billion dollar budgets from the federal government. Those are the people that are the real scientists. What What have they outputed? Literally nothing. Literally never accomplished anything. But you know what? We're going to throw them billions of dollars. random dudes with some [ __ ] Home Depot [ __ ] that they just rigged together in their lab and were able to show that cold fusion can happen at cold temperatures. Yeah. No, that can't be real. That can't be real. We need that to not be real. Or one of the big federal labs like Los Alamos or Oakidge. Some didn't even dare touch the subject. Quote, "It's got to be wrong. I'm afraid we'll look like idiots if we're seen trying this thing. It's got to be wrong, right? Already we can start to see what happened, right? We're getting a pretty clear picture. Everything was a disaster to begin with. There was maybe a brokeback situation going on. Maybe this third wheel guy involved as well. We're not going to speculate too much on that. Not that relevant. Everybody was making mistakes left and right. We've got a money interest involved here as well. We've got propaganda like crazy already. We're seeing that like these guys haven't even been accused of fraud yet. Don't worry, they're getting to that. But before they get to that, they've already decided that your situation is janky. Your lab was not clean enough. You know, it doesn't matter about your past credentials or any of that. We've got people trying to take glory already. They literally the university literally made fusion with the U shaped uh memorabilia already. Like Jesus, this thing was already like wild out of control. But on the other hand, Pawns and Fleshman were not complete nobodies. They had some level of credibility and they wouldn't make an announcement like this without solid proof. And hey, Fleshman had said that the experiment was very easy to replicate and the materials were cheap and easy to get. Why not take a week to try and get their own versions going? This was basically just a modified electrolysis setup. Quite literally something that high school students do in their chemistry classes. You just needed some palladium and some heavy water. Those who were quick on the draw were lucky as soon palladium stock prices were about to spike. But in the past 2 months, palladium has been the most profitable mineral. Uh, I think we ran from about $142 up to $180 at one point in time. Some groups even managed to track down Pawns and Flechman's supplier, Johnson Matthew. Although their palladium was standard stuff they sold off the shelf, they did start marketing it as quote fusion grade. And so began the cold fusion mania that swept the United States. The palladium manufacturers started branding their palladium as fusion palladium. Amazing chat. You probably don't even need palladium to make this happen. It's probably just a good probably just a good uh material. Now, maybe it is the best one. I have no idea. But this was not just an American phenomenon. Cold fusion had captured the attention of the entire planet. But as scientists around the world attempt to recreate the experiment in their own labs, fusion has turned to confusion. I've logged 63 or 64 laboratories trying to do the thermal experiment. And I can say honestly that not one of those laboratories is doing it the same way that we did. Okay, that's what I wanted to hear right there. What was the time stamp of this? 3714 3714. I've been looking I've been waiting for that exact quote. 60 laboratories and none of them are doing it the way that we did it. red flags all the way across the board. Um, why? And I don't think I saw this part. I I watched part of this video earlier just to make sure it was legit, but I didn't. And I watched a lot of it, but not that part. That's exactly what happened with This is exactly what happened with LK99. Like exactly what happened. People went at LK99. They said, "It looks really easy. We can make this." and a bunch of people started trying to do it, but not the exact same way. And so the results were [ __ ] And then they came out and said, "It doesn't work. They're liars. They're fraudsters." And then the whole thing was forgotten about. Hell, in the LK99 situation, we have literal videos of levitation. Not just one, two, multiple videos of levitation. This is the exact same. Even a situation where we have video evidence where we're staring at it. Somebody's using a cell phone to record a video of flux pinning. We can tell this is not a visual effect. Well, they're literally interacting with it. You can even see the flux pinning effect right there. So important. And so we know it's real. We can see it with our eyes. I don't need recreations. I can see it with my [ __ ] eyes. Okay? If you want to recreate it, then you'd be recreating for commercial purposes. So, this is why they don't give all the secret sauce. They don't care if you believe it or not. They know it's real. Didn't take long for them to realize that the announcement lacked a bunch of critical details. Here's just a short list. What size were the palladium rods? How are the rods made? Are they machined or cast? Is the surface of the rod baked, etched, or left alone? How much dutaterium needs to be loaded into the rods? How long did it take to load the dutium? Hours, days, weeks? What current should you supply? Should the current change over time? Which electrolyte do you add to the water? Was there any stirring done to the liquid? All legitimate questions that could have a major impact on the results. Everyone knew that a paper was in the works, but only a select few had managed to see a copy. Most of what people had to go on was a story that evolved into a key part of Cold Fusion's mythology, the meltdown. The meltdown is supposedly the first time Pawns and Fleshman saw something that might suggest fusion. Exact dates for this meltdown are inconsistent and hazy. They stretch back as early as late 1984 or early 1985. Why then specifically? Well, notably, it would be the earliest possible time where they could have come up with their experiment, but also late enough that both Pawns and Fleshman had fully left their prior jobs at Southampton and the University of Alberta. Any potential patent rights would fall only to them and the University of Utah. According to the mythology, they had been loading a palladium electrode for seven entire months. And then one night, Pawns had instructed his son Joey, who was working in the lab, to adjust the current running through the cell. His son did as he was asked, left, and then returned hours later to check on the experiment. What he saw was astounding. A 1 cm cube of palladium, which is a melting point of,500°, had fully melted. Exact details are again inconsistent. In some versions of the story, the rest of the setup melted, too. In others, it was a mini explosion. In some versions, Joey had lowered the current. In others, he had raised it. There is one detail that remains consistent, though. There was a hole in the concrete floor 4 in big. At least one independent source, Panza's grad student, Kevin Ashley, confirmed that he saw the hole the next day. Something had generated a shocking amount of heat. So much heat that it could not have been explained by any chemical reaction. The only logical conclusion according to Pawns and Fleshman was that something nuclear had just occurred. And it was stories of this meltdown that supposedly convinced the university that this discovery was genuine, leading to the eventual press conference. And yet there exists no official university records of this meltdown from the time it supposedly occurred. Fleshman years later claimed that they had covered it up out of fear of having their experiment shut down as a clear fire hazard. But regardless, the meltdown story would be a particular point of fixation among scientists. Because even though the story lacked hard numbers, it still implied them. A 1 cm palladium cube has a melting point you can estimate, and you can calculate how much energy would be necessary. So does a 4-in hole in concrete. Researchers would soon be working backwards from what little info they had. The first week was a mad dash to uncover as much information as possible. Researchers phoned their friends to brainstorm. Faxes of rough drawings and calculations sent out across the country. People even analyzed footage of Pawns holding one of his cells and used the size of his wrist to try and guess at the dimensions of the cell. There are even alleged reports that some people managed to crack their way into Ponz's personal email, hoping to snoop for answers, but found nothing of interest. Back then, the internet was still in its infancy, and barely anyone called it that yet. But universities and research labs were some of the first in the world with access to it, making Cold Fusion one of the first ever viral news stories. Early bulletin boards hosted daily news updates, and information was spreading faster than ever could before. Very few people were able to speak with Fleshman and Pawns directly, save for a few of their close friends. Chuck Martin at Texas&M had known Pawns for years and had heard a few days beforehand that he'd want to keep an eye on the news. Chuck Martin was extremely eager to get his own cold fusion experiment running, and he phoned Pawns asking for any tips, but Pawns only gave him cryptic warnings about the potential danger. It seems this was Sage advice, as some labs were about to prove. The Lawrence Liverour labs got a reaction they did not expect. Their experiment blew up, but that hydrogen gas apparently caused a small explosion, which sent shards of glass all over the lab. North Wow. Did that really happen? Their lab [ __ ] exploded when they were doing this. So if they were getting hydrogen gas, the electrolysis was working and it was leaving hydrogen gas out for sure. So at least that part was working. Um the other interesting thing that mentioned is that remember early on I said I wonder early on I hadn't even watched this whole video. I said their whole project was marred in secrecy. This meant that they knew something. This was not a spontaneous discovery. And what did we just learn? We just learned there was an incident called the meltdown that doesn't have any evidence to prove it, but that these guys claim they saw this experiment do something incredible like burn a hole through the floor. End of the day, what they're saying is they saw a huge amount of energy get produced that cannot be explained by conventional physics. That's what happened. So these guys see this huge amount of energy get produced in like 1985. This is four years before the announcement. And so what do they do? They go, "Holy [ __ ] we need to figure out how that happened. We need to figure out how that happened and we need to make an experiment convincing enough that will prove that what happened was real." Pretty incredible. Yeah, that would have been dutyium gas probably. So, it let off an explosion. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, Stanley Myers was right. I think Stanley I absolutely think Stanley Myers was right. I think Stanley Myers And when I heard that Stanley Myers was working on free energy as well, I was like, "Huh, that's weird. Water powered car and free energy." Well, it's because he realized the idea of negative energy and forcing fusion to happen at low temperatures. He realized this and he made a water water powered car based on this. Why? Because the dutyium explosion can be used as combustion. We can run an engine with that, right? This combustion engines aren't that complicated. All of our [ __ ] is not as complicated as it seems. Engines just pistons shooting up and down just make we're just manipulating explosions everywhere we go like [ __ ] cavemen. Carolina State University scientist scientists earlier suspended their fusion experiment following a small explosion and Fleshman had given some friends at Harwell Labs an early head start. He'd been shipping them some of their cold fusion cells throughout March for them to measure. He wanted at least one UK lab to get a head start so the US didn't get all the glory. It's around this time when the criticism starts to pour in. So far the best sources for hard numbers were newspapers like the Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times. In all of this, what has been the most frustrating thing for you? The most frustrating part is not having enough details uh to replicate the experiment or trying to get the details out of newspapers. This is not usually the way we do. So, this is totally crazy, man. Like, science is so [ __ ] Like, I I need to I need to rant rant number three today or four. I don't know. Academia is a [ __ ] scam. We're listening to this cuck guy here. Maybe he's not a cuck. I don't know. We're just using him as an example right now. We We were trying to get the answers that we need and we couldn't get them to reproduce our stuff. This is the same thing that happened with LK99. Everybody's going, "Well, maybe they did this, maybe they did that." Here's the answer. This is not what we're doing right now is not science. This is the equivalent of social media like popularity contest. That's what we're doing here. when everybody's trying to recreate it and find the secret sauce and find Willy Wonka's [ __ ] golden ticket. That's the last thing we need. And that's not how scientific papers and patents are published. They are never published to give away secrets. Never. So, if we're playing a game where you show me your secrets or I call you a fraud, that's not how science works either. Everybody should have just chilled the [ __ ] out and waited. That's what everybody should have done. Not I'm going to try to figure out how it works first, right? Like this led into this disgusting. It's like a rat race basically is is what it seems like is going on here when he's explaining how everybody's trying to find all this information and try to figure out how it works. And even Puns is getting involved with it. He's giving cells to some other university professor to like make them go faster. Like this is already a bastardization of all of what science is meant to be. So either you give us all the goods and you give us the exact recipe on how to cook whatever your science experiment is or you create some proprietary information and we don't try to recreate it. You're just making claims. That's great. You can make claims. Show me when you've commercialized something, you know. So that's the criticism I would give of the pawns and fleshman. They're not blameless in this at all. I think that they discovered a real phenomenon. They figured out that negative energy is real. Whether or not they understood what they were looking at, that's what's happening. And they got dollar signs in their eyes. They got dollar signs. They got diva. They got ahead of themselves. And the media did the thing that they do, which is that they come down on a dent. Doesn't matter what the truth is at all. do science. This whole situation was bizarre. Why had the press conference come before a peer-reviewed paper? For many people, that was a major fauxpaw. You know, not aware that we did anything at all wrong. We were very cautious not to say that papers had been accepted anywhere. Pawns and Fleshman had in fact submitted their paper a couple weeks earlier to the Journal of Electroanalytical Chemistry. And although it hadn't been published yet, it had been accepted. Where this gets iffy is why it was accepted. You see, a couple weeks before the announcement, Pawns had received an unrelated call from a friend who was an editor at the journal. Pawns and Fleshman had published often with them before, and Flechman was a longtime friend of the managing editor, Roger Parsons. Parsons upon hearing that his friends may have the discovery of the century and that they had a tight deadline tells Pawns that he'll push it to be published as soon as possible. Parsons was the only person to review the paper. Pawns inflation had also sent a paper to the much more prestigious Nature, but they had refused to publish it without a much more careful review. There's more to that side of the story later. Again, what are we talking about here? Who who's the the reviewer? This peer review process has no oversight. The peer review process is like you get you send this in to somebody to get published and then it just either does or it doesn't. And maybe somebody looked at it. There's no notes. There's no paper trail of anybody reviewing it. Like this is just like one or two people are deciding what's real and what's not. And they're just what? Nature's not accepting the paper because they they want more review. Who? They're the ones who are supposed to be reviewing it. Who who do they think's reviewing it? Like I don't get any of this [ __ ] The whole peerreview academic process is a 100% complete failure. Complete failure. We need something completely new for the 21st century. This idea that like whatever is in the the accredited published scientific peerreview paper is true is [ __ ] stupid. That's not how science works at all. I've this has shown me that 100% science has been destroyed for many years already. Even before co it was destroyed. This is uh complete nonsense. The paper was eventually published on April 8th but the preprint leaked a little earlier. Pawns had given five copies to friends in Utah. These were quickly faxed and copied across the entire world so many times that most of the text quickly became unreadable, except of course for the massive stamp that read confidential. But even this paper was only 8 pages and had little knew that people didn't already know. The assumption many were working on was that Pawns and Fleshman were intentionally withholding details because of patent concerns. Some people even speculated that the cells they showed off on TV were dummies and that deep in their basement lab they had their real heavy duty cells hidden. The press release given to the media by U of's comm's department was also devoid of many details. Pam Brogel, the school's comm's director, later said that she was actually forced to remove sentences at the request from the university's legal teams which like what can somebody tell me what details they think they were missing? Like this other thing too that I hate is that academic scientists that don't have any counters, they just go, "Well, you didn't answer my questions." And you're like, "You didn't ask any questions." You're like, "But I asked you like, "What day did you start the experiment?" I'm like, "That doesn't matter. It's not really relevant." You're like, "Yes, but if I don't have this detail, then I can't tell if your experiment's real." And this is I'm just using that for effect, but they do ask completely irrelevant things or things that just completely miss the point. Because if you ask questions based on a lack of understanding of zero point energy, you're never going to get an answer that you want because you're looking at the universe incorrectly. It's the same way where if like somebody was trying to tell you, if you were trying to explain this cell phone, if you're trying to explain this cell phone to somebody else 100 years ago who's riding around on a horse, you're not going to understand anything that you're saying. even if you were explaining in perfect physics, they're not going to get it. They don't they don't understand that physics. It's not even real yet to them. She fiercely disagreed with and yes, that was teams plural. She noted that there were three separate groups of high-powered lawyers, ones from the East Coast, West Coast, and Texas. She had wanted to speak to Pawns and Fleshman well in advance, but had only been allowed to just days before the announcement, leaving her no time to research. Although the press conference was heavily promoted by the school, the exact topic was not fully revealed beforehand. Despite this, at least three reporters had managed to get an inside scoop. One of them was Jerry Bishop at the Wall Street Journal. Bogal, who wanted to guarantee coverage from the journal, tells him it's room temperature fusion. Despite his initial skepticism, he too ends up making some calls to physicists and pieces together that this story is a major deal. and his headline, taming Hbombs, was certainly not the kind of thing you expect to see in a financial paper. Jerry Bishop's coverage of Cold Fusion is some of the most in-depth in the traditional media sphere. He will later win a science writing award from the AIP. However, it should be noted that his award ceremony will also be boycotted by many physicists. They found his reporting misleading and often one-sided. Some actually credit Jerry Bishop with popularizing the name Cold Fusion because as you'll see in their written press release, Pawns and Fleshman called their discovery Nfusion. Jerry Bishop did not come up with the term Cold Fusion on his own, however, and you'll find out who did a little later on. Nothing was conventional about cold fusion, and it was only going to get weirder from here. By midappril, the first reports from other labs began to roll in. Pawns and Fleshman had set the precedent that if you had a result, you were fined to hold a press conference before you even had a paper published. And that's what many of these labs did. Called in the media, put on their best suits, and got their 15 minutes of fame. It's rare for scientists to get on TV, and this might be their only shot. Hundreds of laboratories have tried to confirm the Utah experiment. It looks as though Texas&M won the race with Georgia Tech a close second. We found that there is more energy coming out of this cell than we are putting in. Okay, so game over. It's over, right? Like how could this Let's just go back five seconds, chat. Are you kidding me right now? Charles Martin, University of Texas A&M. Texas A&M University. Dr. Charles Martin just said right there, we're getting more energy out of this cell than we're putting in. Reproduced. Game over. H how does it get debunked after this? Right? Like this is reminding me, guys, this is like MH370 videos now. It's like we've found the hoaxer. We've shown that the clouds are moving. These are real videos. Everything's natural that we're seeing. These are real cameras the military uses the real location of the plane. Oh, here comes a debunk out of left field. Somebody found some images that look like the satellite videos. These must have come from here out of nowhere. Ignore everything that you just learned. Ignore all that mountain of evidence. Focus on this distraction. Like Jesus Christ, I we just had we just had reproduction. What more do you want? And this is why I said early on, focus on the fact that there's anomalous heat that could only be explained by a chemical process because it's undebunkable. It got reproduced right there. You just heard it. Charles, Dr. Charles Martin, Texas A&M, they reproduced the heat right off the right away. This might be their only shot. Hundreds of laboratories have tried to confirm the Utah experiment. It looks as though Texas&M won the race with Georgia Tech a close second. We found that there is more energy coming out of this cell than we are putting in. We couldn't believe it. We couldn't believe it. But then another announcement from another school, Georgia Tech. researchers there. Hold up. Duplicated the Utah experiment. And this weekend, two Hungarian researchers. Oh, never mind. They they duplicated as well. The University of Washington, Italian news reports, Stanford researchers. Today, two Mexican scientists say government project in India. Researchers at the University of Florida, Swedish physicists said today, the University of Minnesota, the Los Alamos National Laboratory, New Mexico. Incidentally, this brings to more than 60 the number of laboratories that have confirmed at least part of the Utah experiment. What the [ __ ] chat? What the [ __ ] Do you hear the names of those labs all over the country? One of them was government lab. Was it Lawrence Livermore or whichever national lab? I I forget which national laboratory that was. Over 60 labs reproduced this. This is way more labs than were able to reproduce LK99. This is way more. I was convinced that LK99, just because I'm looking at it visually on a video, that was 60 laboratories reproduced cold fusion at least the bare minimum reproduced the heat excess energy. It was Los Alamos. How does this get debunked now? What? I'm so confused when I'm telling you guys like Cold Fusion's real. It's because I'm just looking at I'm like, how are we so stupid when I got depressed the last few days cuz I'm just sitting here and going like, we're so [ __ ] stupid. We're so stupid. Yeah. What happened? This is the ultimate f bag fumble ever. You got the bag, you're running, you got the football, you're running across the goal line. Just don't drop the ball. I mean, 60 recreations. H how are you fumbling this? How do we not have Cold Fusion right now? I'm blown away, chat. Over the next few weeks, Pawns and Fleshman would be traveling non-stop. Fleshman had gone to Europe the day after the announcement, and he had given talks at some of the top physics labs on the continent. Harwell in the UK, Aries in Italy, and now CERN in Switzerland. He was filling auditoriums beyond capacity each time. Pawns was just as in demand and he had given talks at U of Indiana and soon he would give the biggest talk of his life. Cold fusion was such a big deal that nearly every major scientific organization decided to hold emergency sessions entirely dedicated to the subject. And for a chemist like Pawns, there was no bigger stage than the American Chemical Society. They had scheduled a meeting in Dallas on April 12th. They had booked out a basketball stadium and early registration suggested the chemists all across the country would swarm the event. Dr. Pon has been escorted around Dallas much the way you would escort around a presidential candidate or even a president himself. Incredible for a chemistry convention. It felt like a Jazz Lakers seventh game in the playoffs. I'll tell you one thing, it was quite a day. The first day of the conference, the arena has 7,000 people in it. Looking back, many call this event the Woodstock of Chemistry. Look how many people were there. You guys see how many people this is like this was uh this is a straight Okay, we can't really tell, but these guys were treated like celebrities. Like this is crazy. How did they fumble this bag, chat? How did they fumble this bag? I'm going to show you something else as well. Real quick, guys, just so you guys understand, I saw a Hal Pudof reference. I'm pretty much going to bring up Hal Pudof and Salvador Pay like as many times I can. I got this video, this I'm pretty sure it's a public video of Hal Pudof from like the 70 from like the 80s or some [ __ ] from like around this same time. This is a conversion of vacuum energy into another form. In this case, light, heat, radio waves. So, we uh know of of a laboratory. That's a projector, guys. So, for my zoomers out there, that thing you see in the bottom left corner, that's called a projector. We used to use those and sometimes the bulb would burn out. It's like $1,000. And those projectors are got obsolete in like the 2000s and they never used them ever again. Overhead projector. OP, baby. That OP. Yeah. that has some experiments going in which they were creating turbulent bubbles in fluids and then measuring the energy in the water by the heat and they were getting over efficiency. And so we are have now arranged to have those devices shipped to our laboratory and we're going to do a very detailed study. But in this case we're talking about kilowatts of excess energy. Not one watt, right? Kilowatt. Okay. So, when people are talking to me about why is Hal Pudof the guy at the center of all this, I mean, dude, what that that video is from like the 80s or 90s and Hal Pudof is talking about over unity heat production in water. He's either talking about sonoluminescence or he's talking about cold fusion. There really is no other option. What he's talking about right there, this guy is connected to all of this. The reason of the society, the UFO community, the UFO topic is all about energy. That's what it's really all about. It's always been about that. That's why the DOE controls all this. This is why the DOE is about to put a kibash on Cold Fusion as well. So 60 recreations, not today. Cold Fusion, we got something called the Department of Energy and they're going to call in all of their best disinformation agents. He opened his talk with a bit of a jab at their rival field of physics. While much has been learned about plasma physics, the goal has remained at Lucy. Now it appears the chemists may have come to the rescue. Although intended as a light-hearted comment, it cut to a real feeling among chemists. The physics community was still extremely pessimistic. Everybody hates the physics community, chat. Everybody hates the physics community. The chemists hate them. The engineers hate them. Why do they hate them? Because physicists don't do experiments. The physicists are just out there working on theory and their observations from outer space. Basically, if we're really nailing it down, the chemists and the engineers are literally doing the experiments and they're going, "This [ __ ] works. I need someone to explain it. You're telling me it's not possible and not real because of your theories. Many of them had ties to traditional hot fusion research. Cold fusion would certainly disrupt their funding and so they'd have an incentive to criticize it. The energy in the room was electric. Right as pawns is being introduced, the MC takes a moment to announce some breaking news. Before I have Stanley come on up, I'd like to comment. We were just informed before we came on that a Dallas radio station has reported that the University of Moscow has just announced that it has successfully repeated the pawns fleshman experiment. 61 chat 61 they also recreated these guys are going on a celebration tour. DOE is like not today. History is being made during the event itself. As for Pawns, he's clearly much more comfortable now than he was in Utah. He opens with a joke. It's incredible to me what an electrochemist has to do today to get an invitation to the American Chemical Society. [Music] Most of his talk is just him going over the experiment, but he finds time for another joke. Next slide is a photograph of the U1 Utah Mac. Got him. I love a good Takamac uh joke, guys. Basically, that was a pawn saying that the Takam the Tokamac reactors are a complete scam. He's like, "We did a tokamac with a Rubbermaid uh bin. We made a better thing than a tokamac." That was actually the joke that probably got him cancelled. My man here probably got cancelled by the DOE because he made that joke and that probably like offended some fussy uh administrative elite guy that like got super offended and he was like, "Nope, debunk them right now. Send the send the debunkers." It's a clear flex. Hot fusion tacamax are the size of entire rooms and weigh tons. His can sit in a Tupperware container. The applause he gets at the end is what you'd expect a rock star to get at the end of a concert. Thank you very much. [Applause] During the Q&A, one of the audience members asks Pawns a question. Prometheus, Pandora, or Pilt Down Man? Three options for how this could turn out. Was this like stealing fire from the gods? Was it like unleashing a curse upon mankind that could not be undone? or was it simply a hoax? Hon's response, best question I've ever heard, was short. No comment. Meanwhile, no comment. Crazy response, chat. He gets asked, "Is this like leading a uh unleashing a plague upon the world?" And he basically just says, "No comment." Yeah. Is this a curse? Honestly, it might be. It might be. I think the people that are hiding this, they're convinced it's a curse. They're convinced. The people hiding this science that we've I mean, 61 recreations, the people hiding this, they're convinced we're going to kill ourselves with this. Frankly, I don't even disagree. I don't even disagree. I think we are going to kill ourselves with this, but you know, [ __ ] it. YOLO. YOLO, baby. YOLO. So, let's find out. Let's find out. Pawns and Fleshman were not the only two who'd had a busy couple weeks. Chase Peterson, not wanting to waste the momentum of the publicity, flew out his team and personally visited the Utah governor at his vacation house. The governor could tell they weren't there just for pleasantries and asked them point blank how much money they wanted. When they say around 2 or 3 million, he hits back with five. We will hold a special session of the legislature with one item on the agenda. that item will be to deal with the $5 million appropriation. A state senator. So, they're trying to get Now, this makes it to Congress and the Senate and all this [ __ ] Also, just real quick, like I just don't get it. Like, they could actually the DOE could actually convince everybody that yeah, you're just all mismeasuring temperature for 40 years straight. Like, that's how much mind control the government and academia have over the world. It's crazy. I mean, like I witnessed it happen over the last four years where people were just literally mind controlled into thinking they were going to die if they did not get a vaccine. And I'm using the term very loosely here. Uh against a cold virus, against a cold virus. So, of course, they can hide 61 recreations of anomalous heat generation. Yeah. Just say it's magic. They're just These people are scammers. They're just ignore everything that you're seeing. It's like nobody even reads the scientific papers. That's the saddest part. Nobody reads any scientific papers. Elden Money even suggested a proposal where Utah residents could donate to the research and receive tax cuts in return. Some Oh, this is and this is the last mistake they made immediately. Government got involved. Last most fatal mistake. I'm writing this down in my notes. The last most fatal mistake they made was getting government involved in this [ __ ] So, next thing we know, they're begging the government for money. And they're not even asking for a lot, like $5 million. Okay, sure. Here's some here's some pennies out of the the seat cushions of the couch. Like, that's nothing for the government. All we had to do is give them a few million bucks and they could scale up and make an awesome experiment showing Cold Fusion. We cannot let that happen. DOE was never going to let that happen. believe it will do for Utah what gambling does for Nevada. With so much money coming in, who needs taxes? The results show that 60% of those who call Why would Moscow hide this? They didn't. They announced it re they announced the reproduction right away. The bigger question is why do people think that Moscow and China haven't figured out balls of plasma? Like we're this was 40 years ago. Basically everybody, every major nation I think will have probably figured out autonomous balls of plasma by now. if not very soon. Thought taxpayers should pay for the research. 40% said no, taxpayers should not. 40% of people did not want fusion research. I mean, I guess I should just be happy that 60% do, but we've got 40% of people that are basically like inbred level [ __ ] Like, dur I'm Hills Have Eyes looking guy, right? Like, no. Like you have you don't want fusion. You don't want free energy. You don't think we should spend a few bucks on that? Nope. Nope. I want to stay Amish forever. Living in my hill. On April 7th, the Utah legislature will vote 97 to3 to approve the $5 million, but it's kind of like politics. They're certainly generating a lot of heat. During the session, the governor paraphrase the Bible when expressing his support. He that doeth nothing is damned, and I don't want to be damned. Bro, that was a sick reference. He who does with nothing is damned, and I don't want to be damned. I think that's what he said. Basically saying, I'm going to go ahead and be my preacher self. This guy's basically saying, I've been given an opportunity, and if I waste that opportunity, I will be cursed for eternity, and I'm not going to waste an opportunity that's this big. That's a dope ass reference. I'm going to have to use that. This was an energy source so plentiful it would be quote too cheap to meter. Most of this $5 million would presumably go to some sort of research institute. Although almost immediately half a million is allocated entirely to the army of patent lawyers. Who would run this institute? Surely the competition would be fierce. The earliest rumor was James Fletcher who had just retired as head of NASA. A perfect fit given he was a Mormon from Utah. This appointment would not pan out though, but it did show just how much interest was being generated. The eventual name would be the National Cold Fusion Institute. Of course, looking at that name, it implies at least some sort of collaboration with the rest of the country. Washington was absolutely paying attention to Cold Fusion, and things were already in motion. [Music] Only lasted 3 years. On April 13th, Glenn Seaborg got a phone call in a California diner. It's from Washington. He needs to take a flight there because it's urgent. This is not the first time he's done this. He's a wellrespected veteran in nuclear science. In a few years, he'll get a chemical element named after him. He's been a personal scientific adviser to half a dozen US presidents. And George Bush wants his opinion on cold fusion. When he gets there, he tells Bush, his chief of staff, and Secretary of Energy, James Watkins, his honest opinion. This wasn't going to be anything. There wasn't enough evidence there to convince me, and and I'm not uh convinced uh yet. Everybody knows about it. Uh uh nearly everybody is talking about it, but uh uh most of the people I've talked to are not buying it. But 61 recreations, Glenn Seabor, Nobel Prize winner, doesn't want to admit it's real. Why am I getting a weird feeling? Just weird feeling that like if this proves to be real, it might end up discrediting some of Glenn Seabor's Borg's work. Also, I'm getting a secondary feeling that even if that's not true, that there's a good old boys club. And if you understand the physics in a specific way, then you're part of the club. And if you don't look at the physics the right way, then you're not part of the club. Yeah. This is like gatekeeper didn't even exist back then in terms of a term, but it it existed in terms of like that's what these people were doing. They were just gatekeeping. 61 recreations. Not good enough. At the same time, you couldn't just declare it wrong. The world was paying attention. Cold Fusion looked like a solution to the energy crisis. If you're going to evaluate this, you need to do it slowly. Make a panel. Have them visit the I'm Chad. I'm panicking cuz there's only like 10 minutes left. And I'm like, is the debunking part going to happen here? Like, all they're doing is showing it's real labs and write a big report. Don't rush it out. Secretary Watkins orders a dozen of the country's national labs to start working on cold fusion. And none of this secrecy business. If there's a confirmation, he wants to know immediately. This was not the only major development in Washington that month. This is not a science project. This is an American project, quite frankly, and a Utah project. So, I couldn't agree with you more. And I think we ought to jump right on it and not let anybody else steal this thing. And the last 20 years are full of American inventions and Japanese promotion. We'd like to have both opportunities. In the House, the Science, Space, and Technology Committee held a hearing on April 26th with 42 members. It is one of the largest committees in the House, and that day, there was full attendance. The opening remarks are full of pomp and circumstance. Morning, ladies and gentlemen. In recent weeks, an atmosphere of high excitement, anticipation has permeated the scientific community as startling possibilities for sustained nuclear fusion reactions at room temperature have emerged. The potential implications of a scientific breakthrough that can produce coal fusion are at the least in our judgment spectacular. We all want this to work. Energy is the lifeblood of our nation and fusion energy would be an enormous step toward the goal of energy independence. When people say they want something to work, usually they don't want something to work. Like that's one of those things where people rarely say an affirmative statement like that. If people want something to work, they're afraid that it's not going to work and they don't want to jinx it. When people are like, we want this to work, usually they're meaning, we don't want this to work. I'm pasting a bunch of [ __ ] out there because then I'm going to say after this statement, but all these qualifiers on why we can't have it. Something like that. Oh, no. Not like this chat. There it is. Independence. In a period when our news seems to be filled with items telling us about drugs, budget deficits, a decline in America's economic position and environmental problems, the news of the possible discovery of cold fusion in Utah with its accompanying even with its accompanying controversy was wonderful news. Wayne Owens, congressman from Utah, was eager to introduce the distinguished guests from his home state. The possible achievement of solid state fusion or the so-called cold fusion is nothing less than a miracle. Later, he would make plans for a trip with his fellow committee members to go visit U of see cold fusion with their own eyes. The first guest to speak is Stanley Ponds. Clearly quite humbled and honored to be speaking in Congress. The one thing about those microphones is they're not that good, so you have to pull them closer. Okay. Thank you very much, chairman. First, we would like to thank you and the committee for the opportunity to testify here today. He starts us off with a fairly in-depth explanation of the nitty-gritty technical details. He has a slideshow that lasts for nearly 15 minutes. Fleshman is up next and does what he does best, giving a digestible big picture view and speculates about how this could be applied. Notably, he says something interesting here. Now, the experiment which Professor Ponz described to you is superficially simple, but is actually quite difficult to carry out. because you have to go through a process of optimizing the experiment such that you will make a significant observation. This is in contrast to the initial press conference where he said it was and I quote very simple although most of the politics it's not really in contrast though right like just because something is simple to produce doesn't mean that the steps the recipe steps are simple if I'm making a lasagna the ingredients can be simple just need a tomato some pasta some meat cheese etc doesn't mean putting it together is simple it can be an art to it especially if you want to the observational results like they just pointed out. This is why this is exactly why that one recreation can prove something to be real even if there's 99 failures because getting the recipe right is an art as much as it's a science. That was a dope quote. Here we go. In attendance were enraptured. Some of them ask the occasional tough question. I must say, Mr. Chairman, the process so far uh by which we've learned about this has been more confusion than cold fusion. And there seems to be a feeling about that the process has been more driven by uh a wish to protect future potential profits than it has uh been adherence to normal peerre processes. The uh public release of the information prior to the publication. This guy just smoking a cigar here in Congress or whatever that is. It looks like he's just casually smoking a cigar. That's dope. That's badass. I will say that one guy right before this guy was right. They clearly were more concerned with the dollar signs than they were concerned with just explaining exactly how to do it right. And I wonder if they regret that in retrospect in in a journal and the fact uh that the lack of data and I just I noticed this too. Eric noticed as well the confusion was definitely workshopped right like the CIA they had a meeting where they were like what's going to be our line of attack? Go with confusion. Confusion's polling really well in our focus groups. Go with confusion. That's what's going on here. Cold. It's all confusion. 61 recreations. Who even are those people? University of Moscow. Those are communists. It's so confusing how it all works. Isn't science confusing? Right. This is exactly like what they did. Seems to have inhibited the replication of your results in most cases where it's been tried. In chemistry, it is generally uh the situation that when you have submitted a paper and the paper is accepted, which was the case in in our case, then it is okay to make an announcement. I think that problem we've had is that physicists don't do it don't do things exactly the same way. Pon is correct in saying that their paper was accepted, but he's not being entirely honest here about the peer review. And as for the lack of experimental details, Flechman hits back with this. We admit that there were not the experimental details there. But in a preliminary note, there never are these experimental details. And we do now have fax machines and telephones which would allow people to request that information from us. And those that have, we have given them that advice. I reject that particular criticism. Indeed, many scientists had been calling the two men non-stop asking for details. However, you either had to be extremely lucky or one of their close friends to actually get a response. And this is one thing that's not a valid criticism is that you didn't put every single possible question in your scientific paper. Of course, you don't. That's not the point of the scientific paper. Scientific paper is we ran an experiment. Here's the results. Here's the general outline of the experiment that we did. Not it's like how many hours did you dope the or you know whatever the palladium and water or you know how did you like what was the exact configuration of how many hours you did every part of the experiment like that stuff's too detailed that stuff's never in a scientific paper. Fleshman plays the diplomat very well here. He makes it clear that he does not want money taken away from hot fusion researchers. He does not want to make any unnecessary enemies. When he's asked how much he thinks scaling up this technology might cost, he is careful to avoid giving an exact number. Rather, he passes that particular hot potato to Chase Peterson, who has brought with him a highprofile lobbyist, Ira Magaziner. Together, they made their Hail Mary pitch to all 42 members of the committee, who listened intently. The figure that comes to mind is $25 million from federal government. Uh maybe that needs to be $125 million someday, but that's of not any importance right now. $25 million would allow us to start the onion growing with state and private sources. 25 million at the low end, 125 at the high end. That is a big ask. Peterson also in vague terms alluded to potential national defense concerns about the research. Although cold fusion was not a bomb, fusion was known to produce tridium, a radioactive isotope that is used in making bombs. So, and turns out we are producing fusion that's making a radioactive material that can be used for nuclear bombs as well. Oh, well, that's a bonus. A reliable way to generate tridium would certainly be of use to the US army. IRA magazer tapped into the political fears of the period and described a scenario where Japan, their fearsome economic rival, would swoop in and steal cold fusion from them just like they had with electronics and automobiles. You know, we we have consulted in Japan. We've consulted with Japanese companies and in the past and we understand the kind of effort that the Japanese are now devoting to this uh discovery even before they've replicated. This was an existential threat that meant they had to act now to fend it off. The total hearing is 5 hours long and much of it is dry. As the University of Utah group departed, so did many of the representatives. Most of them simply don't want to stay to listen to the much more skeptical witnesses. Of the other speakers that day, by far the most interesting was the group from Brigham Young University. the wait what? School to the University of Utah just 40 miles down the road. So now we're coming full circle and now BYU is going to come and try to claim that this isn't real. What? The university run by the Mormon church. And representing them was a very soft-spoken physicist named Steven Jones. and he was singing a very different tune than Pawns and Flechman. He didn't think that Cold Fusion was worth dumping millions into, at least not yet. He had even brought along a prop to help him explain. Now, this is a tender shoot, as you can tell. It is difficult to say what it will become. Some think and suggest strongly that this is a tree and it will grow up very quickly and provide us enough wood for all our energy needs for generations. I do not think it is. I think adding too much fertilizer at this stage will be detrimental. I think we need to give it time at least a couple of months please to see whether this is something that's a rose or a tree. If it should turn out to be a rose we can then admire it for its beauty even if we are a bit disappointed it was not a tree. And by that he meant this is a new unexplored bit of physics and that is worth studying but a miracle energy source this was not. To hammer home the point he made a comparison that the politicians could easily understand. On the other hand I heard Mr. Jones say that uh uh the difference between that experiment and commercial productivity was the difference between a dollar and and the national debt. for a room of politicians who had just been asked for $25 million. It made a compelling case. But why had he of all people been invited? Who even is Steven Jones? Well, Steven Jones is the reason any of this was happening at all. What he isn't telling the committee here is that he feels pawns and Flechman have [ __ ] him over. What? the guy that just came in and testified against funding Cold Fusion. Turns out he's a fusion researcher. Are you kidding me? Oh, it's going to get better, chat. It's going to get better. Oh, let's take a look at his Wikipedia page. This just gets all over the place. Muon catalyzed fusion. He's also known for 9/11 conspiracy theories. Just so happens for some reason. Let's ignore that for now. Let's go to research interest. He was the principal investigator for experimental muon catalyzed fusion from 1982 to 1991 for the United States Department of Energy. Got them chat? Got them. The division of advanced energy projects for the department of energy from 1985 to 1993. These dates overlap with the interview that we just saw. Jones studied dutybased fusion in the context of condensed matter physics which is plasma under DOE and electric power research institute sponsorship. Like this guy knew what he was doing. He was working in concert at Los Alamos and these other places as well. Very interesting chat. Very interesting. Okay, so this is the end of this. What he's claiming is that he is the inventor of cold fusion. [Music] That guy is claiming to be the inventor of Cold Fusion. This guy's claiming to be the inventor of Cold Fusion. That's what's going on here. No wonder we didn't get this. So, the other interview that or the other Cold Fusion thing that we watched clips of several weeks ago, that one also had a guy randomly calling these people frauds who were reproducing the experiments, just being like, "You're a fraud. you fraudul you, you know, you uh faked your work and then these people get uh I think it was the University of Texas or something like that. They end up getting um redeemed. But like basically there was just all this [ __ ] going on. The Department of Energy is directly involved in discrediting the work even after 61 people were able to reproduce it. Reproduce. So you guys understand to bring it back around. This is why these videos are so important. This is why this video of MH370 is so important. We are staring at absolute proof of cold fusion. And not just cold fusion, but that we can take cold fusion to the next level. coherent balls of plasma, remote controlled. We can jam them together and make a wormhole. This shows the level of suppression that's going on right now. The level of suppression going on in the Department of Energy and with the United States government and the defense contractors is crazy scary. The fact that they could make Cold Fusion go away even after 61 plus confirmations goes to show how much control over people's minds they have. They have control over your mind. It does not matter how many recreations. If they tell you it's fake, it's fake. It's the emperor has no clothes. Like literally has no clothes. Everyone's praising them on their new wardrobe. Beautiful wardrobe. Best wardrobe I've ever seen. It's okay if you're hiding free energy from the world. No problem. Like just wow. Yeah. This is why I I I would never I I I don't I hate to say this, but you're not going to find me signing up for the draft or any other [ __ ] to fight for these countries. I mean, this is just and this is it's so depressing when you watch this cuz you're like, "Wow, we are actually just idiots. We're cavemen, but we're also idiots who are like working against our own best interests." And it's not just like the lowest class of people. It is people that are in the highest classes, the academics, the most educated people are complete idiots, complete morons. That's the trick. That's the real trick of society is that the even doesn't matter your level of education. You can be just as dumb as the homeless guy on the street or smart or whatever. I'm not trying to take away from people that really is no the class imbalance is just a complete illusion. Zero point energy. Thank you, Eric. Zero point energy is inevitable. It will either be our damnation or our salvation. And time will not make the difference. Our character will. It is time to stop delaying. This statement is for the feds watching right now. Yeah, it's true. But you can see the battle lines, right? Like we can we have a pretty good idea where the battle line is drawn right now. Like we can see that academia and the media is is 100% working underneath the government either as useful idiots or completely controlled opposition. And we can see that they are afraid of disinformation getting out. Definitely because it's going to upheave all economics, all economics and industry in the world, but also because of the dangers. It's clear they're afraid of the dangers. We even saw dangers get referenced several times in that in that documentary. Probably like two or three times they they mention the dangers of it, which we cannot underestimate. It is very dangerous in general. And then we found that they just literally have DOE people with like massive amounts of personal interest that should not be testifying coming out and discrediting it. People that are like scorned lovers, they have conflicts of interest and it doesn't matter at all. Work directly for the DOE and hot fusion research. And I'm gonna go ahead and discredit Cold Fusion and say it's not possible. Crazy, man. So when I say like this stuff is real, I mean it's like really real. This isn't sci-fi. This is all historical. It's all documented. It's been recreated. And this was 35 years ago. So of course we have balls of plasma that can float around now. Go look around what cars looked like 30 years ago. And that's we haven't even had that much advancement in cars. So anyway guys, I hope you enjoyed this documentary. That was a fun live stream. Uh Wednesday, I'm not sure exactly what we're going to do yet. I have some ideas. Um we may do a recap of the old history of the MA370 case. We might do something more science related. Not really sure yet, guys. Get the truth out about 0 energy. Get the truth out about exotic vacuum objects and plasma, self-organizing plasma. break down the misinformation that we've been fed and seek the truth. 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